Richie Rude Disqualified from EWS Tweed Valley

Oct 2, 2021 at 9:43
by Alicia Leggett  
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Credit: Matt Stuttard // Privateer Bikes

After spending the season battling back and forth with Jack Moir to take the EWS overall title, Richie Rude has been disqualified from the final race in the Tweed Valley of Scotland for riding outside of the course markings, a UCI ruling said. Slawomir Lukasik, the #23 rider who just recently broke into the top five at EWS Crans-Montana, was disqualified for the same mistake.

The two riders rode outside of a set of course marking gates as they approached the stage finish, the communication said, rather than between them. The proper use of course gates is outlined in the EWS rulebook: Gates can be used to clearly mark sections of the course that a rider must pass through. Missing a gate will be deemed as course cutting.

Richie Rude needs to be out front and one the gas if he wants to make up the 70 point deficit to Jack Moir in the overall

The gates were not taped, and Rude commented on the EWS's Instagram post suggesting that some course tape would have helped the situation. The markings were admittedly a bit confusing, as a much wider section was taped outside of the gates, apparently to keep spectators off the course rather than to delineate the course itself.

bigquotesSome breaking news from the Tweed Valley: Richie Rude has been disqualified from the final race of the year after riding outside the course marking during the Pro Stage! The two times champ's season is over and he won't be taking the start tomorrow. In a year full of plot twists and turns, this is one we didn't see coming.Enduro World Series

bigquotesShould have gone through the gates, pretty bad mistake by me. It wasn't clarified to me prior so when I came through that section and saw the tire tracks I went with them (still inside the tape). With one gate taped and not the rest it was hard to follow their idea. It's unfortunate for Slawomir and I, but I understand it seeing it from their angles. Bummed to not be racing tomorrow.Richie Rude

bigquotesFirst of all I’d like to say that all the rules are clear and I take full responsibility for what happened and I won’t argue. I’m of course devastated that I won’t race and I can’t fight for top 10 in the overall.

Unfortunately in this situation the taping was misleading for me, as the corner before the gate was taped properly that no outside line was possible. It should be done with all of them especially that during yesterday’s trainings the outside gate line was made and clearly noticeable so the organisers had time to fix this misunderstanding.

The decision about disqualification is really hard for me especially that so many people counted on me.
Slawomir Lukasik

Here is a video of the section in question.

The UCI Communique is as follows:

As a result of two riders in the Mens Pro race both leaving the course by riding outside of multiple gates on the approach to the finish gantry ( the correct use of these gates is clearly explained in 0.4.2 Directions and Course Marking in the EWS rule book 2021) the Commissaire Panel has been required to exclude the following riders for breach of 0.6.6 Course Cutting in the EWS Rule Book the clearly sets out disqualification as the penalty for course cutting.

#23 Slawomir Lukasik
#7 Richard Rude

We will update this article as more information becomes available.


675 Comments

  • 347 9
 Horrible end to an exciting season
  • 82 74
 not for Jack lol
  • 492 56
 The rule book states...

Tape: where two pieces of course tape are installed on opposite sides of the course, the riders must pass through them.

Gates: gates can be used to mark a section of the course that a rider must pass through.

Dropping gates inside the same perimeter of tape used top to bottom was beyond silly. In every other race we have had, chicanes such as this were clearly taped in. a handful of media (myslef included) commented earlier in the week that peoole would go around them.

The rules are written for both, and it certainly isnt clear which supercedes the other.

If it were World Cup DH each of those gates would have clearly been taped in.

Everyone looses out here unfortunately
  • 108 25
 I'm not sure about that. Its great news that Richie Rude is now a French citizen. It can only go up from here!
  • 118 68
 @davetrumpore: Common sense to me would be that if both are present its the inner of the two not the outer....

Considering they were the only two id say it was pretty bloody obvious that it was the gates not the tape.
  • 81 10
 Lame as hell.
  • 78 9
 @davetrumpore:

Pushing the limits of what is/isn’t allowed is all part of the sport. He must have known it was a gamble but should have clarified prior to riding it if in doubt. Surely they have a riders briefing!? Penalty needs to be awarded but perhaps in the form of a time penalty or points deduction. DQ is perhaps a little harsh.
  • 15 20
flag ORTOGONAL555 (Oct 2, 2021 at 10:40) (Below Threshold)
 @McMeta666: These are unsuccesful attempts to exploit a loophole that probably isn't there. Bit sad TBH.
  • 44 9
 Rude is going to be making his debut on the ski world cup, while all of the other chumps are going around the gates he's just going to straight line through the middle!
  • 95 181
flag Gmang (Oct 2, 2021 at 10:47) (Below Threshold)
 @scott-townes: hahaha.... well played sir!
  • 90 76
 Disqualification because the EWS decided to be a bunch of dumbasses and not mark properly. Sounds pretty fair to me. If I was Rude, I would be irate
  • 194 37
 Well at least he didn’t accidentally drink someone else’s water again.
  • 83 28
 @davetrumpore: Two riders out of the entire field got DQ’ed. I think that speaks to the fact that the rules are clear. Richie took the straight line and broke the rules. Simple as that.
  • 151 54
 Ski gates in a MTB race is retarded anyway. TAPE THE GATES, DONT LEAVE A MASSIVE GAP TO MISLEAD RIDERS!
  • 197 317
flag Gmang (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:04) (Below Threshold)
 Ooohhh fun... I get down downvoted instantly now for having a plus membership because I tried to support Beta early on. Then only to find out I won't be actually getting any magazines sent to me in Canada. Thanks again Beta. Duped on a mag sub Anand ostracized by an online community... fun.
  • 65 94
flag Robbyc1979 (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:06) (Below Threshold)
 @Gmang: quit your bitching
  • 86 10
 @Gmang: this place is f*cking embarrassing sometimes eh
  • 211 202
 @chakaping: yeah man. The internet in general I'd say. I’ll be out in the the woods digging trail. Screw this place.
  • 48 15
 @Gmang: make a new account. dont subscribe. boom. problem solved.
  • 31 4
 Van der Poel's wooden ramp much?

a less than ideal move from the organizers yes, but also the rest of the field seemed to get it so...
  • 97 34
 @davetrumpore: 1000 percent !
He did not break any race tape and everyone looses out including Jack !
The fans loose out as we dont get the showdown we were all excited to watch
jack losses out as if Jack wins tommorow his win will forever be remebered for Ritchie being disqualified and not the great consistent racing hes shown all season long .
EWS looses out as it looks llke theve not got the balls to admit that course was not taped correctly and will hide behind the UCI taking the heat IMHO in the spirit of enduro let him race tommorrow ! Review the rules for future and consider time penalties for minor infringments rather than disqualification
  • 81 23
 @Gmang: this nonsense is becoming tiresome, bordering bullying. Not the values I like to find on PB. I gave you an upvote and hope enough people will do it as well as a statement of disapproval for this kind of behavior.

Enjoy the digging
  • 45 13
 @Gmang: dude I feel bad for you, not even your problem man, these guys are c*nts, you paid to support beta and now you're hated
  • 32 22
 @deertrackdoctor: Rude Boy’s mistake does not take away from the great season Moi Moi has had. Jack could have given up after he dislocated his shoulder but he didn’t. He held on and continued winning despite that injury. Rude cuts the course, gets DQ’d and then drops out of the race. If anything it just goes to show what an even greater sportsman Moir is.
  • 26 12
 @davetrumpore: no doubt about it. Sad way to end it on a very confusing technicality. Even sitting watching the video passively it took so long to discern what was what, I can’t even imagine at race pace, at the end of the stage where you’re maxed and 02 is low, in a massive wide portion of the track. Terrible work on the officials part to have allowed that.
  • 26 8
 @catfish9797: It was obvious if you are at the track. The racers also got briefed on it before the start.
  • 39 3
 @MmmBones: RR didn‘t drope out as far as i understand it, he isn‘t allowed to race anymore.
i think 30 or 60 sec would‘ve been an adequate punishment and not a DQ.
  • 26 50
flag eugenux (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:55) (Below Threshold)
 @jaame: probably there was an interesting bottle on the outside and, as he was thirsty, he probably wanted to take a sip..you know, to feel rejuvenated for a little. Big Grin
  • 18 1
 @Odinson: Also, it sounds like the race organizers let the teams know about the gates and course taping before the race. According to Hills mechanic, they made it well known.
  • 15 2
 @Gmang: I'll still be your friend.
  • 11 8
 @striveCF15: I see now. They updated the article since my comment to clarify that he was DQ’d from the entire race not just the stage. Ritchey should have known better and whether it was deliberate or not he should be penalized as stated in the rules. It looks like obvious course cutting from what I’ve seen and read.
  • 16 1
 @deertrackdoctor: probably the loosest post here.
  • 21 8
 Whether it was an honest mistake or not, cutting that corner probably made a negligible difference in Rude’s time. Truly unfortunate end to a great season.
  • 29 45
flag jaame (Oct 2, 2021 at 12:42) (Below Threshold)
 @deertrackdoctor: no one will remember anything. The results sheet will show a W next to Super Jack the Hero of men (and women - Jack is a hero to all).

In response to the babies moaning about upvotes and downvotes - who cares about that? As often as not people get voted down for stating objective facts. There are kids going through the message board just downvoting everyone for their own amusement, and to be fair it is quite amusing reading all the “poor little me” moaning.

Try going and writing something inane if you want upvotes.

“Yeah boi… steeze!!!!!!!” is a good start. Give it a try!
  • 30 6
 @davetrumpore: sorry but yeti associated photog clearly has zero bias on the subject. It's frustrating but it sure looks pretty obvious in the video. Shame this is how the season ended.
  • 11 29
flag PHX77 (Oct 2, 2021 at 12:48) (Below Threshold)
 Who’s the c*nt that downvoted me?!?! *said in Begbie, from trainspotting’s, voice* as I ram my Q anon shaman horns into my computer screen. Valid point, I thought.
  • 55 1
 The Olympics had RampGate, EWS 2021 will now be remembered for GateGate
  • 31 37
flag thenotoriousmic (Oct 2, 2021 at 12:59) (Below Threshold)
 @Ryanrobinson1984: Every single rider knew to ride between the posts except one other. Just seems like rude was seeing what he could get away with again which is how you’d see it if it was anyone other than an American who was doing the cheating.
  • 9 13
flag onlyDH (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:02) (Below Threshold)
 @adrennan: he’s actually in love with Richie and has his posters on his wall
  • 7 2
 @thenotoriousmic: it's pretty clearly marked and if he thought the rape was the course marker then he would have been way left of his actual line. I think he just f*cked up. Shitty that the rest of the course is taped and then ski gates are used on a slippery section but it is what it is.
  • 11 18
flag thenotoriousmic (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:07) (Below Threshold)
 @onlyDH: haha he’s a complete douche comments whenever Richie Rude gets caught cheating.
  • 24 29
flag chrismac70 (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:08) (Below Threshold)
 @davetrumpore: the sport wins because the drugs cheat doesn’t win. Happy days
  • 13 1
 TAPE***
  • 3 14
flag Pothead78 (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:09) (Below Threshold)
 @deertrackdoctor: uci has no involvement in ews
  • 15 31
flag chrismac70 (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:10) (Below Threshold)
 @likeittacky: everyone else managed to work out where they were supposed to go. The drugs cheat got caught cheating again
  • 8 1
 @Bchambers09: proper looser i am !
  • 23 42
flag chrismac70 (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:15) (Below Threshold)
 @deertrackdoctor: actually we will remember that the convicted drugs cheat tried to cheat again to win the title. Who is he going to try and blame this time
  • 16 36
flag chrismac70 (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:18) (Below Threshold)
 @catfish9797: it was so hard to work out that everyone else went the right way. The drugs cheat got caught cheating again
  • 20 40
flag chrismac70 (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:20) (Below Threshold)
 @PHX77: he took a short cut. He cheated just like he did when he got confused by a water bottle
  • 9 26
flag audeo03 (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:25) (Below Threshold)
 This is total bullcrap. There is no real time gained here. Why have gates and tape!? DQ’ed???
  • 16 3
 @Pothead78: they are a huge part... The DQ came from the UCI cominsare on site and no one from the EWS would be involved in the ruling here
  • 24 26
 @davetrumpore:
Well you can cry as much as you can.. but rules were known to everyone beforehand. only two chaps cut that corner. perhaps 30sec time penalty would be more appropriate but you have to understand that UCI already gave him insufficient penalty for doping (go take a Look at road cycling and their penalties - it is two to five years). They had to act firmly..
Man I am glad I haven't bought a Yeti in the end..
  • 12 22
flag eugenux (Oct 2, 2021 at 14:13) (Below Threshold)
 @sxy-slo: I would never buy from a brand that sponsor a cheater. I do belive in second chances.. but, my money will go elsewhere as those two are not related.
  • 8 2
 @audeo03: if there's no time to be gained, why cut the course?
  • 3 1
 @GrandMasterOrge:

Because that’s standard riding in a race???
  • 11 8
 @scott-townes: do you only know the full origin of the "french line" thing? Came from an American not respecting a rule and preferred to blame others on a rule he was not understanding himself. Just saying.
  • 59 0
 The elephant in the room here is that none of this would have happened if Yeti had not released an ebike.
  • 8 2
 @deertrackdoctor: Jacks currently leading and took 4 seconds off Rude who cut the course. I think he’ll be ok will it!
  • 39 2
 @davetrumpore: "The rules are written for both, and it certainly isnt clear which supercedes the other."

I disagree, the rules as you quoted them are completely clear. You must be inside the tape, you must be inside the gate. As in the video above where there are tape and gates then obviously you must be inside both. There is no conflict, and I don't see how the rule book could possibly lead anyone to think otherwise.

That's not to say that the choice of course layout wasn't confusing though.
  • 25 3
 @McMeta666: It's not even common sense, it's fundamental english. "You must go through the gates" can't possibly mean "the gates might be optional".
  • 47 17
 That is such a petty rule. Leave the petty rules to the UCI and track cycling events. The EWS was fun because it was a looser of a format. I can imagine that when you’re going as fast as you can and breathing out of your eyeballs at the end of a stage, all you see is tape and your goal is to stay as close to it as possible in a chicane. I doubt Richie, or anyone else for that matter, would be willing to throw away the season to save 1/10th of a second on a single corner. That’s a super petty rule and really ruined what was shaping up to be one of the most exciting seasons of enduro racing in memory.
  • 2 0
 @scott-townes: sick ha ha ha
  • 2 1
 @thenotoriousmic: not anyone other than an American. Just you. Literally just you.
  • 25 5
 @chrismac70:

Of course he would intentionally cheat in a wide open area for all to see, especially when the title is up for grabs!‍♂️

Maybe let the adults do the comments here eh?
  • 5 0
 @mtb-scotland: I would think Jack would rather the racing.
  • 24 3
 @Hayek: Exactly. There’s no way he could have had intent of cheating in front of all those spectators. Just totally gassed and singly focused. Still a massive brain fart.
  • 3 5
 @chris-brown225: f ing course is all, shite prep.
  • 31 3
 @McMeta666: obvious from the old recliner . Not so obvious when your heart rate is above 190 and they route a world championship course through a cowfield so people can watch racers without walking uphill . That said, Rudes” comments display grace unlike us wankers on the internet
  • 17 4
 @Hayek: OK, why did only 2 guys screw this up then? It's not that confusing or difficult, really. I read the headline and story, and thought that this is really unfortunate.

Then I watched the video, and the one linked in the comments. I changed my tune, the gates were obvious, cutting the gate was blatant, I think the penalty is appropriate.
  • 3 0
 @codypup: RUDE RULES APPLY #1
  • 3 10
flag thechunderdownunder (Oct 2, 2021 at 20:08) (Below Threshold)
 @Gmang: I love outside! You should wear that tag like a badge of honor sir.
  • 16 2
 The gates seem pretty obvious but the real question is why have gates at all if the course is taped? They are pointless, potentially confusing, and take time and effort to install. Downhill gets along just fine with only tape.
  • 10 17
flag inside-plus (Oct 2, 2021 at 21:57) (Below Threshold)
 @Tombola27: I doubt that, he would have gained some inconsequential fraction of a second. Clearly a mistake and the organizations fault for not taping it, sad that Richie has been punished for their mistake.
  • 8 5
 Shit decision.
  • 24 7
 A race course should be unambiguous in its course. A racer should not have to make a decision about whether to go this side or that side of some post. We take the fastest line. If you don't want me to take the fastest line, tape it.

Gutted for Richie. And disqualification? No way. 30 second time penalty max.
  • 17 1
 Sadly nobody wins here; I’m sure Jack doesn’t want to win it this way, the fans are robbed of an exciting showdown and RR is gutted. It was a silly mistake, but given it was out in the open for everyone to see it was clearly a genuine mistake. Little to no advantage was gained (IMO) so the punishment seems harsh. A 30 second time penalty would have been a much better decision then we’d all get to enjoy watching RR throwing caution to the wind trying to make the time back. A few silly decisions here by whoever has the powers.
  • 9 5
 I would be interested to see a current Pro racer point of view. Watching some clips of certain pros seeing Rude go inside it appears they are not best pleased. Getting the feeling that Rude is getting a bit of a name for himself and not only a fantastic rider….shame.
  • 16 5
 I don't believe there was any mistake here, the rule book is clear, racers had practiced this section, the teams were given an update on gates in this section of the course after the question was asked.

I think this is a rider 'exploring track limits' and thinking they've spotted a loophole, we see it all the time in F1 (see Alonso, lap 1, turn 1 at Sochi last week) however the penalty here is much harsher, which is probably a good thing in the long term as it should strongly discourage others from cutting the course in future.
  • 8 3
 @Tombola27: I think a pro racer's point of view would be along the lines of - sucks he got caught, I would not want it to happen to me, the panalty is harsh but it's in the rules and it's his fault. I'll take the extra points and keep quiet.

No one will mke that mistake in future races and everyone will get over it. The racers who got promoted to podium positions because of it will not mention it when quoting their career stats at a later date, as in "In my career I had one win, three second places, two thirds (but one of them didn't count because Rude got an unfair DQ in that race for going outside a gate, the poor bloke), five fourths and a fifth.

In WCDH we have seen people getting DQ'd for going outside poles. It's clear. Ride outside the poles, gates, tape, get disqualified.
  • 1 0
 @ORTOGONAL555: good summary.
  • 5 3
 @jaame: but imagine if a section of a WCDH was set with poles only and no tape. They wouldn't do it because it's unclear, and DHers get lots on practise runs.

MVDP recently showed us the difference between 'what should be known' and 'the reality of racing'.
  • 8 3
 @deertrackdoctor: The course was taped correctly if one reads the rule book; if you look at the video it is pretty obvious where one needs to go. Another "proof" is that only two racers made the mistake and they came down after many others (so there's not even the doubt that the others got it right because they saw the mistake first). Richie admitted it was his mistake, and it wouldn't make any sense for him to cheat at that point. There is no doubt in my mind that he simply got it wrong without any actual intent to cut the course.
Then, we can discuss whether this way of taping is good or not - having raced at EWS I personally do not think it is - but it is what is written in the rule book for the races.
Perhaps true that everyone kinda looses out but that's also part of racing. It's not just about who turns around a corner the fastest; it's also about strategy and concentration to make it to the final win.
  • 3 3
 @Odinson: are you sure about that? N°150 or 200 isn't on the tape for sur, but when you see the ground, it's not only 2 racer mark on the soil AND

Really strange, can you check LEWIS BUCHANAN run in the prostage highlights from PB...

Hit these link: www.enduroworldseries.com/news/1717-vittoria-ews-tweed-valley-pro-stage-

at 5'45" where's going Lewis? and suddenly, the gorpo footage is cut !!!! pretty sure that he cut the lines too Wink
  • 5 0
 @davetrumpore: the two rules are not mutually exclusive.
  • 5 5
 That was really RUDE towards Richard and Slawomir , specially by the end of a season. P.S. Really bad track marking!
  • 5 1
 @blablacar: if you watch Lewis Buchanan’s full run on YouTube you will see he clearly didn’t cut the flags! Plus if you watch the LSD video you will see that Eddie masters made a big point that rude clearly cheated! But he still shouldn’t have been disqualified a 1min penalty Maybe!
  • 13 10
 @allbiker: have a look at Matt Stuttgards Instagram account. He has just posted an official EWS management briefing that specifically states to ride between the flags. Absolutely no excuse from Rude. This and the water bottle fiasco are making him look less and less credible…
  • 8 0
 @timbro: rudegate...?
  • 15 3
 @deertrackdoctor:
Jack beat Richie and the rest of the world fair and square. He was simply faster
He rode just brilliantly and put enough pressure on Richie to the point Richie simply had a brain fade trying to play catchup. I don't think Richie tried to cheat but desparation and instinct took over.
Laid back Jack's talent, training, genes and persistance has paid off.
He didn't get his genes from Kmart.
  • 10 6
 @deertrackdoctor: @deertrackdoctor: yeah bit sh*t end to the season and the overall, BUT he did cut the course!

Mistakes like this just shows lack of common sense IMO.

Course was marked like that in practice, you coming in to the FINISH field where prob be more spectators, so having wide taping (to keep RIDERS and spectators save) then have some gates to make it a bit more interesting for the riders, (and keeping them away from the spectators hanging over the tape with phones/progos) shouldn't be THAT HARD to work out, gates been used in plenty of MTB events before.

The riders was told, info was there and it was also been confirmed a few times.

IF YOU STILL NOT SURE BLODDY CHECK YOURSELF
  • 1 0
 @ColquhounerHooner: underrated comment
  • 4 0
 @davetrumpore: are you suggesting if the gates are outside the tape, a rider can go through the tape?
  • 2 0
 @davetrumpore: I remember when EWS first started the UCI had no involvement, hadn't realised they started to work together a few years back so I stand corrected. To me personally it seemed clear that the gates were the course markers but the DQ is too harsh a sanction, time penalty for each gate missed should've been enough
  • 15 3
 @davetrumpore: He knew the rules, he knew the punishment. He cut TWO gates not one and pretty much straight lines 2 bends. Absolutely justified DQ.
  • 5 1
 @richard01: I think he's suggesting the rules say you must go through BOTH tape and gates, not that one supercedes the other.
  • 10 4
 @GrandMasterOrge: No he clearly says "and it certainly isnt clear which supercedes the other",

the rules are pretty clear, here is the full rule and since this the riders job, its best to seek clarification from HR.

"Gates can be used to clearly mark sections of the course that a rider must pass through. Missing a gate will be deemed as course cutting. See Figure 1 for an example of course taping"

0.6.6 Course Cutting
Taking short cuts on course in order to gain an advantage can both damage the environment and brings the sport and spirit of enduro mountain biking racing into disrepute. Therefore, any rider trying to save time by choosing a line that lies outside of the defined trail will be disqualified.
The Commissaire or Race Director may choose, in exceptional circumstances, to apply a time penalty instead of a DSQ to a rider found to have cut the course without intention. However, any rider leaving the obvious line must be aware that they risk a DSQ.
  • 1 0
 @blablacar: your link gives a 404 error.
  • 1 8
flag bryanbreynolds (Oct 3, 2021 at 6:06) (Below Threshold)
 @Gmang: another upvote for you. The people downvoting are probably the same ones that complain about long shipping times, but don’t want to pay for a Prime membership.
  • 2 1
 How Rude!!
  • 7 4
 @Tombola27: He knew what he was doing. There’s no way you wouldn’t have worked it out if you he hadn't already been told which he had. He was trying it on and hoping he’d get away with an excuse.
  • 5 8
 @Mfro: how else would you describe deliberately riding outside the track limits when the other 998 riders managed to do it right? His line was no accident.
  • 5 8
 @iamamodel: it was clear, that’s why 998 other riders that day went the right way
  • 8 8
 @Tombola27: he is a cheat. Makes me wonder what other dubious line choices he has taken on some of the quieter sections of stages
  • 3 3
 @Pothead78: they have always worked together. Chris Ball worked for the uci before setting up the ews
  • 15 13
 Cheaters gonna cheat.
Growing up I always hated the kind of guys who’d cut corners when no one’s watching. 100 bucks his mistake here wasnt breaking the rulebook to save himself 0.3secs, thats routine. The mistake was doing it in front of cameras.

Right descision to DQ in an attempt to clean up the sport. Make it cost.
  • 1 0
 @chrismac70:
I know Chris Ball worked for the UCI but they were not officially involved in the EWS until 2019 season start

www.pinkbike.com/news/ews-to-start-working-with-the-uci.html
  • 7 1
 They use huge amounts of tape to mark the course but cheap out at the end of stage? Also if gates are that important why not fix them between riders? Sure looks like the gate had been hit when he comes though and is just a pole with some blue up top. Not saying that is why he misses if but it would seem like you should at least fix those to make sure they Re clearly visible.
  • 15 9
 IMO, gates don’t belong in a gravity event between the tape. These athletes have been training for years on staying in the tape and everything else is just an obstacle to be avoided. Gates are fine for lower level events where you can’t afford to tape the whole course or for when the wind is too strong for the tape to hold. Having both is stupid. If you need to keep the crowds back, use a secondary restraint like fences or a different color tape than race tape. Yes, only two riders messed up, but it doesn’t mean it’s a horrible idea to have both. And, a DQ is a little over the top, 30 seconds would all but hand the win to Moir, but at least the best riders would be competing.
  • 13 8
 @davetrumpore: oh look it’s Trumpmore carrying Yeti’s water again, like always.
  • 18 9
 @UtahBrent: I saw the video too and it looked like a racer trying to stay as close to the tape as possible while half the field was sliding on their backs through a chicane. But I’d be inclined to believe just about any explanation over the one that includes that two professional athletes knowingly decided to risk the whole season to make up .5 seconds in the crowded finishing straight in front of race officials, fellow competitors, and a crowd. That doesn’t jive with anything we know in the behavioral sciences about decision-making.

So here are some more plausible explanations. Somewhere in this thread someone already posted the names of the other guys who missed it, but it’s not as grabby of a story when some mid-pack guy bungles it. Maybe the guys in the top 5 are better at forcing themselves to stay well above VO2 Max to finish a stage when you can’t see straight and lactate is flooding your body. Maybe the top guys are almost certainly better at seeing a course and straightening it out as much as possible. They’re focused on the tape and staying close to it. Or maybe we ought to give these two athletes the benefit of the doubt and consider that of the 57 pages of EWS administrative rules, they were riding 50 km/h, searching for grip in a wet chicane, trying to see straight as they were well above threshold, and rather than thinking about obscure EWS rules, they were focusing on the tape and going as fast as possible.

What I’m certain of though, is that assuming they know every rule in the 57-page EWS rule book, nobody rationally calculated the payouts and decide that it was worth cheating in a crowded finishing straight when the payouts look like this:

Payout 1: .5 second gain.
Probability of outcome: .01
Payout 2: Throw away season, DQ, no points for the round, miss out on the top-5 (Slawomir) or potentially the overall win (Richie).
Probability of outcome in front of a crowd: > .99

That’s not a rational decision that anyone makes.
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 @Hayek: mate, he set up early for that line and came in twice as hot as anyone else, and then did the exact same thing on the next turn/gate. It was clearly intentional.

They were given a clarification in the morning that they must stay in the gates.

Which leaves only he either didn't get told and thought he could ride there, or he did know but thought the wording was ambiguous enough to argue he shouldn't get a penalty.
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 @mtb-scotland: Are you aMaesed with the final results?
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 @codypup: Yup, came here to say this....dude made a mistake (it happens) and owned it (rarely happens).

Most the negative comments are from folks that DONT race....pinned, focused, max HR, mistakes happen....
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 @Tombola27: they have the luxury of looking at it, seeing the tracks and potentially seeing other guys cut....Rude is in full race focus...totally different mindset
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 @friendlyfoe:

Did you see the racers fall and slide in the video? Imagine people were lined along that gate instead of back at the tape. It's likely a safety thing so spectators didn't get hurt.
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 Regardless, in the end he's a cheater who tried to gain an unfair advantage over the other competitors and as such he needs to be punished.
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 @BenTheSwabian: i would say that it was a mistake from not paying attention. No one thinks that they can go off course to cheat, especially on camera and in front of hundreds of people. Just a very stupid, negligent mistake
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 @GrandMasterOrge: yeah, like I just said, it looks like guys focusing on the tape as they come into that finishing straight. They're not thinking about rule 0.4.whatever. They’re looking at the tape and trying to straighten the course as much as possible. Chall it up to a mistake, but I’ll say it again, nobody rationally plays those odds trying to cheat in a finishing straight. Slawomir and Richie had literally nothing to gain and everything to lose by risking a DQ. Arguing to the contrary is irrational.
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 @davetrumpore:
Well you can cry as much as you can.. but rules were known to everyone beforehand. only two chaps cut that corner. perhaps 30sec time penalty would be more appropriate but you have to understand that UCI already gave him insufficient penalty for doping (go take a Look at road cycling and their penalties - it is two to five years). They had to act firmly..
Man I am glad I haven't bought a Yeti in the end..

Ps: to the haters: go cry some more xD
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 @whambat: Any non-mentally handicapped adult knows plastic poles don't grow out of the dirt. They were there cause somebody deliberately placed them there, moreover, they were put quite regularly, so it wasn't just in a single corner but on both sides of the delimited trail at a consistent distance between each other.
Now, anybody who has a minimum common sense will look at it and get it, or at least wonders why they are there and if they really don't have the grey matter to understand it, they ask.
Really, the excuse is lame, just like drinking from somebody else's water bottle, which I'm not saying didn't happen but if you're that stupid to make such a declaration, which anybody knows you'll get mocked for life even if it's true, really tells me the intellectual level of said person.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: Ever argue with a UCI official, much less get one to anser your question?
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 Legit disq
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 @dick-pound: when you are on the limit and focused on the tape everything else becomes a blur and not recognizable. I’m not saying these two aren’t without fault for not knowing in their course check, but gates within tapes is effing stupid.
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 @dick-pound: perhaps the only "non-mentally handicapped" adults in this scenario are the officials that organized and set up this race course. Never has a "man made" obstacle, specifically a "gate" been placed between the tape that has always represented the limits of the course in an EWS event. The only "obstacles" shoud be those natural elements of the course. It shows a complete disregard for the riders safety and a competely unprofessional organization to use such low tech methods to define the course. If one could stick a pole there they could tie a tape there, so why didn't they tie the tape? The whole set up looks sloppy and unprofessional. Proof they knew how stupid their decision: they re-did and taped the area in question the next day.. Insecure people like yourself try to thinly veil bullying and name calling with ridiculous terms like you have just done. You carelessly state your obsession to mock people which is clearly the sign of a very insecure and cowardly being. Once you turn to name calling as you have you have automatically conceded victory to the other side. Hopefully the EWS will take a serious look at themselves and add a more professional look and feel to their events, the courses always look like they have been set up by amatuers.
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 @whambat: anybody that races knows how easy it is to screw up in the heat of the moment, we've all been there. All these muppets complaining and throwing around insults have the luxury of sitting back and seeing things clearly and would probably be the first ones to complain about getting DQ'd....Richie handled it well and was a good sport...
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 @eugenux: I'm sure Yeti is heartbroken... Dbag...
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 @McMeta666:
Track design resulted in a human error by two riders. The track design essentially set two riders up to fail.
Our brains work in a funny way, when you understand your able to predict human errors. It's too harsh to blame the riders a simple small time penalty should have sufficed
Look at this video to see what what I'm talking about.
youtu.be/IGQmdoK_ZfY
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 @derbyroller: Its a great story. He's 27, It's exceptional for a rider to have such a huge breakthrough season at that age. Sam's much older but he had already won most of his World cups by 27.Unreal effort.
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 @Pothead78: Coincidentally the exact weekend that the EWS started working with the UCI is the exact weekend Richie forgot his water bottle.
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 @davetrumpore: I think this one stinks though, he is a PROFESSIONAL athlete, someone who spends hours a day preparing for big stages, I simply dont believe he didnt know the rules. Just like Lewis Hamilton knows not to go straight over a chicane.

What is Richie trying to hide here by getting DQ'd? Doping again, not like he hasnt taken that chance before? Also if he is prepared to cut the course in front of all the fans, I wonder how many times he has cut the course when nobody is standing watching higher up the hills?

Guy deserves to be DQ'd just for being stupid enough to do it, fail to prepare and all that.....
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 @sirflip84: "The only "obstacles" shoud be those natural elements of the course."

Have you seen a EWS race before?? what about all the ramps/jumps that are put in when a stage finish in town? What about the ramp to get into the field? all not new to the riders, he messed up get over it.

"It shows a complete disregard for the riders safety and a competely unprofessional organization to use such low tech methods to define the course." the main reason it was taped/gated like that is to keep the spectators away and riders safe. Hope you don't do any risk assessments.

"The whole set up looks sloppy and unprofessional." Got any photos/info on the races you put on? showing how to do it correctly?
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 @TobiasHandcock: I also think a DQ was deliberate to avoid testing....
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 @GrandMasterOrge: the teams were given a clarifications, priveters were not given - Lukasik is not part of any team and according to his statement, he wasn't made aware of it (although he accepts that the rules are clear)
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 @ciechan: Yeah and this point is fair enough, I was more aiming the clarification point at Rude who should have no excuse.
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 I know I'm late but I want to comment on one point - saying he only gained marginal time doing the shortcut ignores the fact that he avoided a very slippery section that took a lot of riders out.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 7:18) (Below Threshold)
 @finelytunedride: the ramps and jumps are to facilitate or to assist the rider. Arbitrary and sloppily applied gates are obstacles. No photos of races I've put on, I don't organize or set up races every day of my life like the race organizers but I think many will agree that the "taping" job at this and other EWS events looks like it was done by a 3 year old and the lines and tape is not maintained consistently during the the event. Amatuer at best. And don't forget, they admitted to their carelessness the next day by fixing their error after they shunned responsibility for the error by dq'ing the offending riders. The only acceptable response from the EWS/UCI after the offending riders were dq'd was to have kept the course the same. Hope that helps.
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 @whambat: exactly, many of the volks with torches and pitchforks obviously have not raced. As a kid I started skiracing and i was not too bad but in the first years of racing i got a lot of timepenalties and dqs for missing gates of which i thought its perfectly ok to pass them on the other side. Its the exact same situation -gates within tape. As i grew older it got better but when racing enduro in my late 20s i got confused by (not so) unclear taping a lot. I think it can happen very fast when you are in the zone and already cooked at the same time.
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 @chillescarpe: he knew the rules, wtf are you going on about? He screwed up and admitted that.....racers screw up in the heat of the moment, being a Britt you obviously watch football, that's what red and yellow cards are for....do you think it's ok for those football 'pros' to make mistakes but not a bike racer? Ronaldo has gotten several red cards over his career, effectively disqualified, he knows the rules too.

Using your F1 example, cars/drivers get disqualified from time to time for rules they "should" know better about no to mention massive lapses in judgement that send $$$$ cars smashing into each other, in a controlled environment, with cameras everywhere with millions more fans watching...I fail to see the difference.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 8:21) (Below Threshold)
 @finelytunedride: Spectator safety huh? It's really not a "spectator" sport, it's a participant sport. Looks to me like there were more racers than spectators at the event. And most of the participants can be counted in the spectator count. Spectators at an EMS event likely stand more of a chance from injury reaching or returning from their perch than getting hit by a rider who careens off the course and likely a rider not careening because of a deliberate action as alleged here. I would suspect the EWS has an attend at your own risk policy and would take no legal responsibilty for a injured spectator. So I think lauding the EWS "risk assessment" is precarious at best. And if they were so concerned about spectator safety they would have more than just a 5" piece of mylar tape to protect them. My risk assessment would be designated spectator areas with staff to ensure that people don't move to areas that would put their safety at risk. The tape is there for one reason and one reason only, to define the course. Assessing that tape and arbitrarily placed, re-purposed alpine slalom gates will protect spectators or the "natural environment" is self serving, virtue signaling and downright lazy response from a professional organization.
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 @freebikeur: The Mob is Rome.

It appears that a multitude of men may be just as tyrannical as a single despot and indeed this is the most odious of all tyrannies, since no monster can be more barbarous than the mob.... - Cicero
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 @chris-brown225: yeah, makes you wonder why the EWS decided to use re-cycled alpine gates designed for use in snow in a cycling event on terra firma for the first time ever?
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 @sirflip84: "the ramps and jumps are to facilitate or to assist the rider. Arbitrary and sloppily applied gates are obstacles."
OK then....... that me been told...... lol thanks, I leave you to keep trolling... ;-)
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 @finelytunedride: yup, a time penalty would have been the right way to go considering the EWS decided to change it to tape to gates the next day; however, the EWS followed up the DQ decision by changing the course from the previous day which shows they know (and the world knows) they made a huge error. IF they were confident in their decision to DQ the offending riders then they should have left the course exactly the same way making the race event a sham at Tweed Valley. You simply cannot have it both ways.
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 @Hayek: Exactly, and changing the course in the questionable spot the next day is not a rational decision after DQ'ing the offending riders. The course should have been left as was. Both offending riders admitted to their mistakes and the world moves on. Deep down everyone knows the rational response would have been a time penalty and surely everyone knows the winning rider earned his win but the EWS did a dis-service and added underserved speculation and doubt on the champion by changing the course the next day. A sad day for "professional" sports in general.
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 @sirflip84: Brb
I just finding the world smallest violin for you.......
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 9:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Hayek: additionally, from what I observed from the video the audio reveals two spectators saying he is coming into a left hand turn "too hot" which in my mind would make taking the inside line a more difficult and time eating manuever? Makes no sense to me? Perhaps I'm missing somehting? I agree with your assessment either way and the outcome of the race would have been the same. Sad to see so many people hating on US citizens on this thread.
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 @finelytunedride: don't fret for me. I could give a rat's ass who won the race, I just marvel in all the international hate over a bicycle race where more than half the participants are amatuers. Looks like I've really pushed your buttons though and exposed all of your hatred.
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 @finelytunedride: you calling me the troll! Bless your heart! Considering all the assumptiona and poop your spattering against the wall that is rich and oh so fabulous!
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 @sirflip84: LOL, no really I am laughing and shaking my head at you and all the others that trying to defend 2 riders out of 100's who rode that section with out cutting the course with "Amatuer at best" taping/marking. (and other lame excuses)
Everyone one else seem to manage it even with Amatur hour!

No hate here, i am disappointed it didn't go down to the last day ride off, winner takes all.
He put his hands up, "my mistake" and seemed to have moved on, unlike you and lot of others on here.
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 @Robbyc1979: That comment is all it takes to confirm you're a waste of air and food
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 9:47) (Below Threshold)
 @finelytunedride: So you've "moved on" yet still defending your hate filled and assumptive comments? I thought you dismissed me as a troll? The EWS screwed up; plain and simple. They diluted the Championship by following up a DQ by changing the course the next day. If they were confident in their decision of DQ they would have left the course the exact same way, instead they make a mockery of themselves by changing their mind and the questionable spot on the course. You simply can't have it both ways. If you don't like the direction this conversation is going in then simply refrain from responding? Yet, you seem to fear that I am speaking some sense and you try to use insult, assumptions and casual fodder to break my premise to no avail. I'm not defending anyone, the racer that won would have won fair and square in any situation. There is no arguing the EWS questioned their own judgement from the day before by changing the taping of the course the next day. If you can't handle the conversation and debate then stay off the board.
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 @sirflip84: the spectator who said he was coming in "too hot" was Eddie Masters, regular EWS top 10 rider and he also said it wasn't on as soon as it happened. As far as using gates instead of tape, and this is purely my own thoughts so probably not correct, but judging by the weather forecast and the number of riders that slid out on that corner the organisers would've spent the entire day retaping the section below as the tape wouldn't have stayed in place for long, especially as the EWS100 (amateur race) took place on the same day as the Pro Stage in torrential rain. It was a shame the season was decided like that and ive no doubt Richie Rude will be back with a point to prove next year
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 9:53) (Below Threshold)
 @finelytunedride: Let's use your logic this time around: if only two riders out of one thousand cut the course intentionally as you and others have deduced and they were DQ'd then why did the EMS decide to change the course the next day with no cheaters or confused riders left in the field of participants?
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 @chillescarpe: fine, but then don't change the course the next day otherwise the DQ just looks stupid.
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 @Pothead78: Moir had the beating of Rude anyway I thought.
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 @jaame: hard to pick between them over the season, Moir surprised me after dislocating his shoulder to be honest, I had Rude down for the overall after that 10th place but credit where its due and Moir deserves it 110%
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 @Pothead78: yeah it was tight. They’re both good blokes. I’ve got a lot of time for Moir because of that season he did on Intense the year before Gwin came in. He’s a top lad.
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 @chillescarpe: ahahahah too good...he and jack would have been tested after every race all season including the previous three weeks in a row. So tell me... Why would a rider, tested round after round in contentionfor the overall them DQ themselves ? What would be theor incentive to dope if they were only going to drop out on purpose? Do you realize how backwards your thinking is here ?
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 @Pothead78: Understood. I'm still struggling a bit with how one comes into the turn too hot and takes the inside lane without have to either slow down or really show a command of the bike by bringing it back in? It does set up a more direct line between the two turns but I'd almost think the time advantage is a loss? I wasn't there and I only saw video so I'm not dwelling on that, I was really am just curious to hear others thoughts. Thanks for pointing out that the amatuer was really a separate race. In all seriousness, congrats to Jack and lets hope next year all of these wrinkles are worked out so folks can enjoy the pure fun of the sport. Obviously the anti-American vibe is hurtful but there are some bad apples in every bushel.
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 There have been documented cases in the past of athletes on designer PEDs being given the word before an event that the authorities have recently devised a test for said new PED, which had been used with impunity in the belief it was undetectable. If I recall correctly the whole Balco/Victor Conte scandal involving Dwain Chambers was a case in point. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that it could be the case here. Stranger things have happened.
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 @jaame: right right yes of course...take the start go flat out and set the fastest time on the stage up until that point and put on an act with your whole team worthy of an Oscar... Or simply not

Get suspicious when riders are inexplicably ill or injured and dont race for health reasons... Not when they are fighting for a win three weeks in a row and just went balls to the wall for the win.

But hey, ive never worn a tinfoil hat so not cant comment for that lot ;-)
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 @sirflip84: slowing down for the inside line would still be quicker than crashing on the muddy gated line, either way both Rude and Moir deserve credit for the best EWS season so far. First round next season is Innerleithen again, in June so possibly drier, although a lot of the trails around the Tweed Valley have more grip when its wet, so it will be interesting to see how the finish will be set up after this

As far as anyone suggesting it was done to avoid a drugs test goes, thats about as likely as me winning the overall next year, he would've been caught already this season if he was doping
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 @sirflip84: did they really "change" the course (as in remove or move the gates?) or just add a little bit of extra tape? reasons why you have to ask them.

And the way you going on about it, it's like NO other event in the past has ever changed/modified/altered the course or markings before, it's is common, sure this year at a world cup DH they removed some roots after practice. sure one world cup Cross race they made most of the course wider for race day as it was getting so bad in places, so it's not really a big deal that some extra tape been added the next day, is it?

Have I insulted you? or just calling you out on some weak ass excess and reasons you think "it's not right"

EWS don't tape the course both sides from start to finish, they often use poles/poles and tape to make "gates" to keep the rider on a certain path, when out in the open/top of mountains so it's not new. so having some proper slalom poles/gates with branding on, IMO looks better than some poles and tape to make gate. shouldn't be a big surprise to see them.

So I go back to what I said long before talking to you,
"
Mistakes like this just shows lack of common sense IMO.

Course was marked like that in practice, you coming in to the FINISH field where prob be more spectators, so having wide taping (to keep RIDERS and spectators save) then have some gates to make it a bit more interesting for the riders, (and keeping them away from the spectators hanging over the tape with phones/progos) shouldn't be THAT HARD to work out, gates been used in plenty of MTB events before.

The riders was told, info was there and it was also been confirmed a few times.

IF YOU STILL NOT SURE BLODDY CHECK YOURSELF"
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 @finelytunedride: rules are rules. End of.
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 @jaame: yeap and they in black and white. ;-)
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 11:43) (Below Threshold)
 @finelytunedride: No need to check myself since it is you who's on the run and defensive. You wouldn't have a clue whats going thru a riders mind moving at that speed on a difficult course and you certainly have no idea what was going thru the racers head. You cannot provide any direct evidence of a meeting, briefing or other official gave directly to the racers and specifically the racer's dq'd. You don't know the racers in question and it is beyond foolish to think you can state the level of common sense an individual you have never met or talked to. You dont personally know either of the riders so your foolish assumptions are nothing less slanderous and hateful talk. The scenerio of an American possibly cheating fits your simple and preconcieved mindset and that is obvious to all. You are upset that you cannot prove me wrong and you cannot provide a shred of evidence to your hatefull claims. You slander and defame someone you dont even know, that's how you roll. This years EWS championship will alway be considered as the year that wasn't because of the foolish decision to change the taping to correct the massive EWS failure and know all you have left is to falsely represent the character of people you have never met. Once again you have failed to do anything but make up lies and misrepresent a strangers character. That speaks volume of your own character to all reading this. Once again, you fail to make any modicum of sense with you illegible, scambled and off subject replies.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 11:49) (Below Threshold)
 @finelytunedride: I never said it's no other event in the past? I said an EWS championship series has never had ski gates used as boundry markers inside the tape. Wether it was a little tape or much tape they corrected their mistake after dq'ing to participants. That was wrong and the world knows it.
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 @jaame: Absolutely, so if they were so confident in the rules why did they change their minds and correct the ambiguous part of the course the next day? Should have just left the course as it was the day before. Makes them look foolish.
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 @sirflip84: lol, where have I said he cheated? I said he made a mistake.
I don't care where they from (not even mention it) nothing to do with it?, Haven't really talked about them have I, apart from saying lack of "common sense" IMO
So if you really think I been "slanderous and hateful talk" you are really clutching at straws and I think you should take a few deep breaths and step away for a bit. lol

Prove of meeting? number of riders, organizer, uci all said it happened, maybe some took footage?

Have you got proof it DID NOT HAPPEN?

admin.enduroworldseries.com/uploads/documents/Rulebook%202021.pdf
link to the rule book, (same link at top of page) page 12/13 even have a nice drawings of the gate for you.

Also link to UCI Communique, even stating section of the rule book, etc
admin.enduroworldseries.com/uploads/documents/races/1633185769.pdf

All above in the article or did you miss it?

So have YOU have any links to official EWS/UCI doc that say they can't tape or mark out a course like they did? or links to say they CAN NOT remark/add tape during the event?
Which is what you are moaning about and I am disagreeing with you about?
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 @dick-pound: your username is indicative of your true passion. Stick with that.
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 @finelytunedride: Here is what they cannot do, impose a DQ on a participant for missing and then change it the next day. After the DQ they were obligated to keep the course the same. By modifying even a little bit they essentially were thumbing their noses at the effected riders. If there was tape on the first day like there was tape on the second day we would not be having this discussion. BTW where have I "moaned" where you have not? You were the first to "moan", I just "moaned" back. In my world it's called a debate. Or is "moan" your special way of insulting me? You lie, defame, slander and insult all in one thread about a bicycle race?
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 @sirflip84: excellent point.
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 @finelytunedride: "The Commissaire or Race Director may choose, in exceptional circumstances, to apply a time penalty
instead of a DSQ to a rider found to have cut the course without intention. However, any rider leaving the
obvious line must be aware that they risk a DSQ"
Very poorly worded rule, in other words the rule can be applied arbitrarily by a biased race official. "Without intention"? Really, so they can prove he in fact intended on cutting time? Impossible, they have absolutely no way of proving "intention". ( My guess is that it cost the two offending participants time.) It's not a court of law. No one, let alone a self empowered race official, can prove whats going through someones mind, or if they were just confused. IF the wording of the rule ended at any rider leaving the course for any reason is DQ'd we move on. But no, we now have proof that the application of the DQ or time penalty is completely arbitrary by the exact wording of the rules! Thanks for sharing and further supporting my argument the EWS needs to review and check itself before next season! Bet you a pint that rule is re-worded next season!
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 @sirflip84: where is you link??
Where does it say with in the rules they can't do that??
You asked me for links I have provided, now please do the same?

Have I lied? most is "in my opinion" (And I am taking you "moaning" as the same way, in YOUR opinion, which I think is funny) please proved links proving me wrong


Moan, maybe I should of used, whine/complain/whinge/grumble/bitch about some course marking that within standard and what is expected and with in the rule book (admin.enduroworldseries.com/uploads/documents/Rulebook%202021.pdf)
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 @finelytunedride: Oh, and thanks for the diagram! It clearly shows how the gates are supposed to be set up and used and clearly as you can see of the video of the racer above the gates are not used as gates are described. The are not set up in consistantly in pairs as shown in the lovely diagram and pictures you linked me to above. The gates are arbitrary and sloppily set up as well more like fencposts than gates. Great stuff, keep it coming!!
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 @finelytunedride: moaning=opinion LOL. So much fun!
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 13:21) (Below Threshold)
 @finelytunedride: "where is you link" you ask? Why provide a link when I've got you hopping and leaping to provide them to me on command? You just keep responding to my prompts and digging your own hole each and every time.
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 Just watched the official EWS full highlights video on YouTube. Everyone please watch the video between 7:13 - 7:17.

He fully cuts a left corner and then fully cuts the right corner, so at least two gates ("three gates" are even mentioned in the video)

I know we aren't talking Nobel price winners here, but some very basic reasoning might have helped Ritchie:

Thought 1: Hmmm, I'm one of the last riders down the hill, why is the ground between the gates all f***ed up and my chosen inside line perfectly pristine? Are all other riders idiots to miss that line?

Thought 2: Hmmm, how is that discipline called again Dual Slalom, they have gates that prevent me from taking a straight line, maybe the same applies here?

Also watch Jesse's POV after 3:16.

It's not always who's is fastest, but who's smartest.
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 @sirflip84: whats has "whats going through someones mind" have anything to do with it?

They where DQ on their ACTIONS, of missing 2 or more gates.
whether or not in their minds was "I am cutting the course to save time and gain advantage" or "inside line! I try that" or "ooo rice and chicken tonight, yum yum" it does not matter.

"However, any rider leaving the obvious line must be aware that they risk a DSQ" yeah with ONLY 2 people out of 100s, cutting the course, missing gates, sort of proves "leaving the obvious line"

"The Commissaire or Race Director may choose, in exceptional circumstances, to apply a time penalty
instead of a DSQ to a rider found to have cut the course without intention"

Again I go back to "common sense" and maybe giving the rider a little break, if they lost traction, saved it but cut ONE gate then rode the rest of the course CORRECTLY, then yes maybe a time penalty would be the better option. but the fact their ACTIONS was to cut 2 or more gates shows it was more "leaving the
obvious line must be aware that they risk a DSQ"

"Thanks for sharing and further supporting my argument the EWS needs to review and check itself before next season"
Really, do you want the rule to be "ended at any rider leaving the course for any reason is DQ'd" man their be loads getting DQ, when riders crash out side the tapes, over shot a turn make a small mistake,
be a very very harsh, you would have to agree?

you know logical/common sense is to look at,
Was it a crash?
How much course was missed?
was it more that one gate?
was there a time advantage?
Was it leaving the obvious line?

Hint, there is only 1 NO.
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 @sirflip84: Are you his mother?
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 @sirflip84: "where is you link" you ask? Why provide a link when I've got you hopping and leaping to provide them to me on command? You just keep responding to my prompts and digging your own hole each and every time."

Well you where bitching and moaning I had no proof, so I provided, and you not proved me wrong as you are clutching at straws on how you think the rules should be, even when there in black and right!

you got me, like I said you a troll, a real good one, you got me...lol
It wet and windy with bugger all on tv, so I been finding it entertaining.

They cut the course and rightly got DQ. End of.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 13:46) (Below Threshold)
 @nots1: Thought 1;he's gassed and traveling at a high rate of speed in wet conditions that could effect his vision so I find it hard to believe he thought what you speculated in those few seconds?
Thought 2: It's not Dual Slalom and why would race organizers use gates in an unprecidented fashion to prevent the racers from a taking a straight line at the end of the course? Why try to slow the racers down at the end of a relatively flat course like no other on the circuit when you know they all hammer to the finish at that point? Kind of silly. It's not slalom and never intended to be as such.
Thought 3: The gates are not set up in pairs to indicate a passage, the gates are set up in an random pattern not like shown in the rule book.
In my opinion a bike race down the face of mountainous terrain should really be all about who is the fastest. People dont ride bikes down mountains to be smart, they do it to go fast. Just my opinion.
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 @colingorman: why thank you kind sir!
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 @jaame: no, are you?
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 @finelytunedride: it's still arbitrary so a biased judge could do just that. "They risk", really, why not "they will", leaves it very fuzzy. Yup, and a crash pretty much dq's the rider anyway so no need to itemize. Did they crash because they were trying to take advantage of cutting and went too fast? How would you know? You dont. Or a simple exception for crashes and that's it. Easy. Intent to cheat? You can never prove intent in this case. Hint, the EWS needs to check themselves, their rules and learn how to consistantly and safefly mark their courses.
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 @jaame: Hey "Jaame" is this the best you've got?
  • 3 2
 @jaame: you know they're desparate and out of ammo when they pull out the "mother" nonsense.
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 @finelytunedride: loving all the Brit's hatred of Americans!
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 @optimumnotmaximum: yeah the big difference with bike racing versus ski racing with regards to gates: the gates always define the course while snow/ safety fences are to keep the crowds out/ catch racer in a fall. When you train countless hours over years to spot course tape as your course marking, it’s what your eyes gravitate to. I just know if I was at my limit at the end of a course and I was using tape as my reference all the way down the course, I’d have a hard time spotting anything else with the tunnel vision that develops when you are in your limit. It’s like when I have had friends or family watching a race and ask if I saw or heard them cheering me on, I always have to lie to say yes, because all I hear or see outside the course is a damn blur and you appreciate them being there even when you don’t notice them.
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 @sirflip84:
" loving all the Brit's hatred of Americans!"
no think you got it wrong, it brits laughing at americans who trying to say a american rider (who most don't care where he comes from) who cut the course, got seen and caught and then punished for that action, and trying to blame it on some weak ass "course marking" "wasn't like other events" and "you don't know what he was thinking", "was it his intent" blah blah blah.

Tell you what why don't you drive past your local school at 100mph and when you get pulled over by the police, say "it wasn't my intent to go that fast" sure they let you off with a slap wrist
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 @finelytunedride: you are silly
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 @finelytunedride: nah it's just pure arrogance and hatred. Oh, and the car speeding past the school thing...good one! Thanks for coming out though!
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 @sirflip84: We don’t hate you guys but do find it very amusing when you all come together to back one of your own despite clearly being in the wrong.
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 @thenotoriousmic: wrong about what? The EWS/UCI look foolish in correcting the exact spot of offense they day after they dq two racers? DQ fine, but leave the course exactly as it was. It's always so fun to play with you guys.
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 @thenotoriousmic: and yes it is absolute hate. You hate so you mock. You mock because you are weak and you have lost the argument.
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 @thenotoriousmic: and then when your gassed and completely flogging you pull the classic, "pretend to be amused". Sure. Try harder,
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 @sirflip84: are you richie roids mum or something, give it a rest, he broke the rules end of argument.
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 @b45her: what's it with the "mum/mommy thing" with all you guys? For real? Talk about checking your bloody selves you should see a professional about this "mommy issue" you all carry. Seriously man.
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 @b45her: oh wait, don't tell me...your amused too? Right? Am I on to something here?
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 @sirflip84: your hilarious, so defensive and triggered, its adorable... please amuse me with more of your nonsensical ramblings.
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 @b45her: So you're amused too as predicted. Try harder. Try much harder.
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 Ok seriously how do stop getting dashboard notifications for this?
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 @mfoga: Dude, I promise. I'm out. Just had a bunch of fun and laughs with "the boys" here tonight.
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 @mfoga: and yes, that was me who "upvoted" your comment.
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 @RadBartTaylor: What the hell is a britt? Your examples make no sense either because football isnt even the same genre of sport as racing, hence why I used motorsport. It is no different than cars in the Dakar rally passing through checkpoints, it is up to the racer to prepare properly and understand the limitations of the course. 100's of other riders successfully navigated this not to mention he actually practiced this the previous day, it's totally inexcusable.

He knew the rules, I couldnt make that any more simple. It is literally his job to understand his sport, he is a full time professional athlete. A "mistake" is slipping out of control sending him outside the gate, but he intentionally sped up and powered through the shortcut, it wasnt a mistake it was fully intentional.
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 @sirflip84: I was watching at the finish both days and the course was the same, not altered. It is ok to have opinions bit get the facts right.
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 @sirflip84: Don't forget to tuck richie in and read him his bedtime story. might want to check his coco though incase it's not from someone else's mug.
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 @sirflip84: we’re not having an argument so how have I managed to lose it? Your boy was disqualified for cheating again. This is a factual statement. It’s not up for debate. It’s ether up to you to accept it or don’t regardless he still threw away the overall for cheating. Personally I’d prefer it if you continued to simp over rude in the comments because this is hilarious.
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 @MysticMCyclist: sorry, it was altered pal.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 5:14) (Below Threshold)
 @b45her: speaking of mums, yours is right here. She can't talk right now because here mouth is full but let me know if I can pass along a message sport.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 5:14) (Below Threshold)
 @thenotoriousmic: oh it's an argument and I just schooled all of you.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 5:22) (Below Threshold)
 @thenotoriousmic: oh, and don't forget to call all your friends and have them upvote your drivel and downvote my words so the disappear and no one can see the beating I'm throwing on all of you. The truth hurts.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 6:59) (Below Threshold)
 @thenotoriousmic: I know, you're frustrated and frazzled so you and your pals keep deflecting; "not an argument", "Richie Rude", "Your Mama", "hot cocoa", "I'm amused", etc.... but please try to stay focused here.
1) On Saturday 2 riders we're dq'd for missing a gate(s) between the tape.
2) With a DQ being one of, if not the harshest penalties in the sport it would be safe to conclude that the EWS at that point in their decision making had determined that the course and any communication regarding the nuances of the course were solid and they stood by their ruling.
3)Though 2 riders effected were frustrated and expressed some confusion they accepted the results, as did everyone else.
4) The following day the exact spot and only the exact spot in the course was "corrected", "changed", "modified" to attach the tape to the gate to eliminate any ambiguity to riders or couse officials who may have to make a judgement call. By doing so, they clearly demonstrated that they in fact had created an ambiguous and possibly dangerous situation for riders, spectators and press yet they divied out the harshest penalty to the 2 riders who missed this now corrected feature the day before.
5) When an professional organization applies the harshest penalty on competitors one can only assume that they were confident in the course set up and the ability to enforce rules with that given course set up.
6) If the course was taped the the same way on Saturday as it was Sunday they 2 riders could never leave the course at that exact spot unless they were to lose control and crash.
So, in doing so the EWS either knowingly or unknowingly conceded the couse set up from the day before was inadequate so they changed it effectively thumbing their noses at the 2 dq'd riders. They also very clearly cast a shadow of a doubt on the validity of the competition and did a massive dis-service to the winner of the race.
I'm willing to bet you will see some editing of that rulebook next year and courses will never see that kind of taping/gating again.
I will leave you and your friends now to gush and speculate on the rider you all seem to have a man-crush on. Did he have hot cocoa before bed? Does he like Cheerios? I wonder if he likes me too? Have fun.
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 @sirflip84: It's not a "yo mamma" joke, numbnuts. The joke is that you care so much about what happened and keep making excuses about how it was an unfair disqualification. Only a mother would care so much. To be honest my mother wouldn't care. My wife might go on about it a bit. Are you his wife?
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 7:12) (Below Threshold)
 @jaame: Reading comprehension at this point is critical if you want to keep up with me which you are clearly struggling with. I never said it was am unfair disqualification, ever. I did say it was harsh as others have. What is it with you Brits and the mother/wife/female thing? Clearly you and your pals have a problem with women and seem to think that questioning my femininity would make my argument weaker? I'd say you are a misogynist and possible a domestic partner abuser with all of you derogatory deflections to women. Numbnuts, namecalling you're really throwing in the white flag now.
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 @sirflip84: Be like Elsa.

You're making us all look like idiots. Please, for the good of all of our reputations, go easy on us.
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 @sirflip84: Have you seen a picture of the gates being taped up, I was standing right there and saw no change compared to Sunday? I didnt however spend all day there as I went up the hill under the trees. But when I returned the gates also weren't taped so I was left assuming they remained that way the whole day
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 @jaame: From your lips to God's ears! Amen.
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 @chillescarpe: ahh, finally someone with a valid point! Not sure. Just playing all you guys and your hatred. It's a bike race for crying out loud, get over it.
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 @sirflip84: your beloved richie roid hasn't been picked on, 2 riders BROKE THE RULES, 2 riders got DQ'd.
there is no ambiguity.
I can remember a ton of times that DH racers have been DQ'd for crashing through the tape losing a load of time and re entering at the wrong point. did they gain an advantage? No, did they break the rules? Yes and they all got DQ'd because those are the RULES.
I wonder how ferociously you would be attacking the organisers if Jack Moir had cut the course to edge out RR by a handful of seconds to win the overall, or another rider had course cut to push him down enough spots to hand the title to Moir.
You and lot of your countrymen would be baying for blood if that person was not kicked out of the results.
Would it have been better to have the shootout for the overall? Of course it would but that is not the issue.
In professional sport Rules are Rules as soon as you start bending them to please fans its no longer sport it turns into a pointless popularity contest like redbull rampage where the winner seems to be decided on their "coolness" and popularly rather than the actual riding they do.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 7:22) (Below Threshold)
 @b45her: you're breaking some real ground here you wife beater. Practice makes perfect.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 7:25) (Below Threshold)
 @b45her: you do realize that about 8, maybe 9 people in the entire world actually give a shit about this conversation. The past 12 hours you and your pals spent trying to spank a troll are hours you'll never get back. Having fun yet?
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 @sirflip84: So you have insinuated you are pleasuring my mother (who died 9 years ago so that may be awkward) and by some other bizarre feat of logic believe i abuse my wife.
Your debating skills seem somewhat lacking, nice try pretending you don't care BTW, it is an easy "out" for you as you dont really have a valid argument at this point.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 7:35) (Below Threshold)
 @jaame: This is priceless " @sirflip84: It's not a "yo mamma" joke, numbnuts. The joke is that you care so much about what happened and keep making excuses about how it was an unfair disqualification"
You actually took the time to spell this out for everyone! You bit, hook, line and sinker! Who's amused now?
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 @sirflip84: Give it up fella your responses are getting more and more desperate by the second, i actually feel kind of bad for you.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 7:44) (Below Threshold)
 @b45her: You bought the mother thing into it and you and you're pals kept pushing it. Sorry for the loss of you're mom, really. It was somewhat in poor taste but when you slinging poo in the sewer every once and a while you get hit in the face. Hope it's a good lesson to you to not start in with the "mother" thing ever again, makes everyone look bad. You may not beat your wife but you sure show a dim view of women out here. And trust me, I really don't care about the race. I really just have an admitted problem with the anti american sentiment. No flogging of the non- US rider? No flogging of Graves and the water bottle? Just the American?
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 @sirflip84: Way too long to read all of that but you’re definitely looking unhinged with these long nonsensical keyboard stabbings. Have you considered sending them to the UCI so they can have a good laugh at you also?

It’s not difficult to understand, stay on course or get disqualified so unless you have evidence that proves Rude didn’t cheat and did in fact ride stay on track then you have nothing to contribute except your opinion.
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 @thenotoriousmic: I know. Reading is tough. Especially without pictures.
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 @thenotoriousmic: unhinged yet you're still stabbing away at the keyboard...yeah sure.
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 @b45her: dont cry for me....Argentina
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 5, 2021 at 7:55) (Below Threshold)
 @b45her: Also keep in mind that you could have fallen into the same trap. I sense it's a pattern for you and you would also not know if the person you attacked mother was deceased? Kind of hypocritical on your part but again very sorry about your mom's passing.
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 @sirflip84: I saw a change between E Bike race and main practice but none after that. I was on-site and not looking at random video. Rude even commented that tape was on the first gate which was the change from Thursday.
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 No I am serious do we stop this ? Or can all of just stop. No one's is going to change anyone's mind or accomplishment anything
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 @chillescarpe: jesus....who cares about genre, rules are rules, pros know em' and guess what, sometimes they screw them up for various reasons.....

Lets use your example of Dakar....guys get time penalties all the time for making mistakes where they clearly know the rules:

www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/loeb-speeding-penalty-explained-brx/4940376

Not rocket surgery here....
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 @GrandMasterOrge: calling an Uber for somebody's mum.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: We'll never know as the troll's account got deleted. It did look a bit like he needed help.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: because the middle section between the flags was super muddy and other racers were sliding out. Between the flag and the tape, where Rude cut through was covered in grass and the turn angle was wider so much less chance of sliding out. There are some video compilations online showing back to back racers wiping out on the middle section, then the two racers that got DQd cut to the inside of the flag. It was very clear in some of the videos what Rude was doing.
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 @sirflip84: I’m not replying to this thread again. Just let it go now would you.
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 @bryanbreynolds: hi mate, was this aimed at replying to me? I'm fully on board that he was doing it intentionally, not sure if one of my previous comments read differently!
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 @GrandMasterOrge: I definitely read your comment out of context. Sorry about that! I should have read a few of the comments above yours before responding.
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 @davetrumpore: 100% spot on. If the tape was for spectators, do two rows of tape, the course and another back for spectators. LAME!
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 @CyclingThe425: omg are we still going on about this?
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 @jaame: nice.
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 I watched the GMBN review of the EWS on YouTube this arvo. The part of the track where he went outside the poles… not being funny but it was either intentional or he’s an absolute dummy. Difficult to believe it was accidental to be fair, what with the muddy line going between the gates. Maybe he just thought “hey, I’ll just straighten out this bit… no one else has but they’ve obviously just not spotted that line… all 900 of them”
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 Somewhere around 1000 riders raced that course today, I was one of them. If us average Joe’s knew that gates need to be ridden through, then I’m amazed a pro could make such a basic error.

Actually can’t understand how a couple of riders with so much skill and composure could make suck a cock up.

DQ might be considered harsh, but then can only assume the riders knew what they were doing!
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flag Aburjakowsky (Oct 2, 2021 at 10:47) (Below Threshold)
 You probably suck and couldn't cut that line that sharp given the speed anyways
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 @Aburjakowsky: the 'muricans are riled
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 @Aburjakowsky: your mom sucks in corners too. Oooooohhhhh burn.
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 Yep, I agree, a punishment is nessacery, but maybe not a DQ, a sport is for entertainment too don't forget. It would be interesting to see how much of a gain he might have made. I feel sorry for lukasik, he could've got a top 5 overall.
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 @Aburjakowsky: at least he can't blame someone else's water bottle this time lol
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flag Almostredbike (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:38) (Below Threshold)
 @Aburjakowsky: such anger for a dentist? Did the bikeshop fit those new pads for you…u sad excuse for a human
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 @Jaib06: I agree. Im not sure why they can’t just tack on a 10-20 second penalty.
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 Interesting how Richie gets a DQ but a Rider like Fergus Ryan who’s same category and misses a gate but no sign of DQ for him?? Consistent
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flag kennyeggs (Oct 2, 2021 at 12:24) (Below Threshold)
 Lol. Good comment. @Aburjakowsky:
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 It’s pretty clear in the video, I doubt he intentionally did it to get an advantage - just looks like massive brain fart.
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 How did you get on dude?
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flag jaame (Oct 2, 2021 at 12:46) (Below Threshold)
 Deliberate mistake to cop the DQ so he didn’t get tested again. Probs received a tip off that he was going to get tested and knew he would fail again. Would have been another innocent mistake though, drinking from that tainted mountain stream.
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 @jaame: you being ironic? Winning/placing highly means being tested. He wouldn’t need a “tip-off”
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 @dinger2h: Ahhhh yooooooo! Rude.
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 I doubt it was a mistake. I think he gambled that he could get away with cutting gates by arguing that he was within the tape. He was wrong.
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 My thoughts exactly.. once disciplined because of "drinking from wrong bidon", now because course wasn't taped well enough..
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 @thenotoriousmic: standard mid pack finish. Trails are amazing and running good even in the torrential rain that we got treated to for most of the day. Only one that was blown out is stage two. Stage five was taking a hammering but it’s steep enough to keep it rolling. Tomorrow racing should be pretty wild.
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 @Aburjakowsky:
Although 30s time penalty could be more appropriate penalty..
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 @mendipsboss: well done mate and good luck tomorrow.
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 @sxy-slo: 30s for an accidental cut maybe, a deliberate act needs a far harsher penalty. Maybe not the full DQ but certainly enough to ensure a big points haul or win are out of the equation
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 @mashrv1: agreed! this is what makes me angry about Rude.. it is one thing (and great thing may I say) to be competitive, yet something completely else to be that Duche that goes through dead bodies to reach goal.. and never has the guts to addmit it..
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 He was prob pushing the limits of what he could get away with, anything to get an edge, that's part of any competitive sport I guess
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 Looks like more than a few cut that corner if you look at the grass...
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 Sucks for the championship but might reduce or kill any future risk taking with course limits, which I think is positive.
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 I really hate to see the season end like this, it's unfortunate for all us race fans out there. While I was hoping Jack could clean up, I do support Rude-boy and it's a bad outcome for a situation that can be argued as ambiguous.

That DQ was absolutely harsh, but necessary. If a time penalty were awarded, it may lead to much more course cutting and risk-taking regarding course cutting (including rejoining) in future events. It's better for race fans and riders for there to be such a clear and harsh penalty for any arbitrage attempts on course. There are lots of parts of these tracks where nobody or very few spectators are there to watch, and very few incidents will be caught on camera.

Some friends and I watched the Whistler EWS stop in 2017 to see pros rail some proper awkward jank in Afternoon Delight in a section with no other spectators. Multiple top riders blew through a taped corner and nearly all rejoined late. We didn't have video or any proof, but it left us questioning what to do because a RM team rider (we think it was Jesse but could have been Remi) was the ONLY guy to hike back to where he left the course- making a proper effort to follow the rules. We looked at the official results and nobody who left the course got a proper advantage from it (5ish seconds)- so we didn't follow-up with the officials. But, we were disappointed at the attitude we saw- if nobody is there to see it, carry on as if nothing had happened.
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 @NickMT:
They all just had a high spirit of enduro man. The tape is their to be ducked.
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 @mashrv1:
agreed! this is what makes me angry about Rude.. it is one thing (and great thing may I say) to be competitive, yet something completely else to be that Duche that goes through dead bodies to reach goal.. and never has the guts to addmit it..
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 @NickMT: That's a good way to look at it. Sets a strong example.
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 8:44) (Below Threshold)
 Personally I feel a Professional event should be just that. To allow so many novice, amatuer riders on the course is odd to me? It is also very hard to equate the level of atheletic ability of a pro vs. a amatuer considering the pro is moving at a much higher speed and likely taking a more advanced line so it would be very difficult to compare the "composure" of an amatuer hobbyist to a pro in this particular situation. The amatuer is out there for fun and personal acheivement which is great, but the pro has a lot a stake considering it is how they make a living and has to do it day in and day out living life on the road far away from home. Understand they cannot go home for a cup of coffee with mom after the race. They have to pack up, and move to the next location. Much different in in my opinion. Finally, one cannot assume anything in this life, should those who think that EWS was too harsh and could have just assigned a time penalty, assume the EWS had a grudge against the US rider and used this a a lynch pin to hand the title to a non American? Sure, doesn't make them right but anyone can assume. Professional organizations should not assume so I think "assumption" is a very poor argument.
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 @sirflip84: those amateur entry fees are what allows the event to take place
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 @mashrv1: Makes sense, point well taken.
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 did he think they were there for just decoration :/ ...
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flag sirflip84 (Oct 4, 2021 at 8:48) (Below Threshold)
 Likely, re-cycled alpine flags have never been used in such a manner before in an EWS championship series event. I think the race location is a poor selection as proven by the EWS using unprecidented methods to define the course and make it as close to adequate as possible considering the vast difference in topography and natural feature than the majority of other EWS venues which feature above tree line, high altitude locations.
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 must have drank from someone else's bottle before the race
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 probably sampled some bucky to think that wasnt going to get him DQ'd
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flag mtb-scotland (Oct 2, 2021 at 10:04) (Below Threshold)
 @McMeta666: buckie in the tweed valley?
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 @mtb-scotland: Coop/tesco probably sell it so no doubt someone is swigging it on the hill lol
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flag voghan (Oct 2, 2021 at 10:33) (Below Threshold)
 Probably looking for an easy way out of riding the rest of that race. Those trails looked horrible in Kerr's video.
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 @voghan: nah thats just traditional scottish fun it might look horrible but its fun once your used to it Big Grin
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 @voghan: difficult you mean
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flag voghan (Oct 2, 2021 at 10:46) (Below Threshold)
 @mtb-scotland: No. they looked flat. There any elevation? Looks like an XC pedal fest. You've got mountains...why host a race in Tweed?
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 @voghan: it's really not flat mate, but it's a good question about why they always have the races in the Tweed valley.
You probably already know it's because venues have to pay for the honour of hosting the EWS.
And there's a solid marketing budget for the Tweed valley that nowhere else in Scotland has for MTB.
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 @voghan: our mountains are not full of trails.
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 Our mountains generally dont have trails suitable for running enduros on. Tweed valley actually does have some good steep stuff but i guess they sent it along some of flatter bits to make the stages longer rather than just adding more stages.
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 @voghan: Most of the enduro trails there are plenty steep, and longer than most other locations can offer.
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flag Robbyc1979 (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:16) (Below Threshold)
 @mtb-scotland: lol good one.
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 @mtb-scotland: more likley a expensive Bordeux what what !
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 @Steventux: seen that thinking ahead at its best lol
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 @voghan: Go pro effect dude. They’re not the most challenging or steepest tracks but they’re all a good 7/10 on the difficulty ratings. Mint day out on the bike if your ever in the area.
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 @voghan: this is funny, the trails there are not flat by any means.
  • 2 5
 @GrandMasterOrge: Looked like a lot of bad trails if you ask me. A couple tight tree sections them pedal till the next decent spot.
  • 2 0
 @voghan: I'm not sure exactly what trails they used for the race but the valley is certainly filled with a lot of rad stuff and none of what I rode was flat (read: fairly full on).

That said, if it was that wet it's possible it turns into a bit of a slog anyway but rider reports sounded like the trails were running well in the conditions.
  • 1 3
 There is a fine line between stupid and clever and it seems you're riding it with this comment.
  • 42 0
 I would have liked jack to win in a hard fought race with Richie. Shame it’s worked out this way, but congratulations jack.
  • 24 2
 Watching the video it is a pretty fair outcome.
  • 1 0
 @Afterschoolsports: Nvm I’m blind
  • 3 0
 came here to say the same, not the splitsecond showdown i hoped for
  • 1 2
 The weekend isn’t over yet, unless you’re referring to the overall.
  • 7 1
 Still Jack won the stage by a fair margin , despite Richie clairly earned some time with this pole thing. Moir is the best , he won at the end
  • 1 0
 @onlyDH: overall title. Jack already had a decent gap but anything could have happened on race day.
  • 3 15
flag onlyDH (Oct 3, 2021 at 9:32) (Below Threshold)
 @jpnbrider: that’s kind of an overstatement. He didn’t win today and is clearly not better than Richie. They are very evenly matched.
  • 40 1
 Jesse Melamed said ealier 'And we were told by the event organizers this morning confirming that because I had wondered as well if we just, technically, had to stay within the tape. ' If that's the case, all the riders should have been aware of how to navigate the gates.
  • 8 17
flag chmurka3rg (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:17) (Below Threshold)
 " stay within the tape" - could argue, that that's what they both did....
  • 24 0
 @chmurka3rg: Yes, exactly. Jesse said they were specifically told they had to go between the gates, not just stay within the tape.
  • 5 16
flag chmurka3rg (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:39) (Below Threshold)
 @Linkpin: so I guess it comes down to what exactly they were told, between the tape, or between the gates.
Where did Jesse say that? Would like to read/watch.
  • 27 0
 Reminds me of the way MVDP crashed out of the Olympics. Top rider skipping/ignoring rider briefing and getting caught out by peculiarities of the track.
  • 12 11
 Why the downvotes? I'm genuinely interested in what exactly happened.
ThinkTank wrote that it was said "between the tape", and then Linkpin wrote, that it was "between the gates".
I was not at the riders' briefing, neither were most of you, so I'm trying to find out what exactly happened. That's why I asked for a link to what Jesse said.
It's obvious for me, that if at the briefing they clearly said to stay between the gates, then both riders have only themselves to blame.
And although you could argue if DQ is the right punishment for this specific situation (I mean it happened in a place full of people and cameras, how stupid you'd have to be to try and cheat there?), it is stated in the stupid rule book, so there was no other option.
Then again, you downvoted DaveTrumpore, who IS there, and is an industry insider, so what do I expect. SMH.
  • 10 0
 @chmurka3rg: Don't worry too much about downvotes, pal - it's Pinkbike, it happens.

You can Jesse's thoughts in the comment section under this video: m.pinkbike.com/news/video-jesse-melamed-battles-the-slop-and-gloom-on-stage-2-of-the-tweed-valley-ews.html
  • 7 0
 @chmurka3rg: he wrote that jesse "wondered if you had to stay within the tape" not that the ruling was "stay within the tape." it's a bit ambiguously worded, but read it again and you get your answer.
  • 38 1
 Thought process of Richie Rude:- What a bunch of dumb ass’s ! Look at that grippy inside line that no-one has ridden on yet !
  • 42 6
 American mountain bikers every other day "dual slalom is the best, there should be more slalom races!"
American mountain bikers today "gates don't belong on a mountain bike course. WTF, this isn't skiing!"
  • 32 0
 Fair, you cut the course DQ.
  • 4 3
 I can see DQ from a stage, but the whole race? I don’t see any rational grounds for that.
  • 18 0
 @Benbikes94:
How would you do a DQ from only one stage when it‘s fastest overall time wins?
  • 1 8
flag oatkinso (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:25) (Below Threshold)
 @lukesky: just get zero bonus points that are on offer for the pro stage?
  • 3 0
 ..
  • 28 1
 Looked pretty obvious to me where the riders were supposed to go. I mean between the gates and the obvious Scottish peat bog motorway cut into the course....
  • 11 1
 says it all
  • 5 0
 Yeah, not sure how you'd miss that minor detail.
  • 16 1
 Thanks for the video Those two riders were totally cheating so that they did not have to take the slippery left sweeping bend.
  • 12 1
 Yeh that clip makes it fairly obvious what was going on
  • 12 6
 After seeing this ... what can you say. RR clearly has a cheater's mindset.
  • 10 6
 @mo-T: and Trumpore is his simp enabler.
  • 25 1
 Maybe he was going around someone else’s gate…
  • 21 1
 Is it really that hard to stay on the course? The organizers clarified the flag/tape issue that morning, so either Richie wasn't paying attention or he deliberately cut the course.

I think Enduro has a racing culture problem with cheater lines, frenchie lines, course cutting or whatever you want to call it. Every race I've worked is like a battle of "catching" cheater lines through practice so they're taped for race day.

I'd like to see a push from race organizers and racers, amateur and pro, to change the culture so people just stay on the course.
  • 5 2
 i understand trying to push the course as hard as possible, but this was straight up clarified at the start, shouldn't have been an issue.
  • 2 3
 Sounds insane. If you change the taping between practice and race you can expect injuries. Here that person wouldn't work a race again ever.
  • 4 3
 @LDG: Taping is hard work and takes a long time, days usually. I am also not a pro racer so we don't catch all the of cheater lines during initial taping. It's usually racers themselves who will bring potential cheater lines to our attention and we go out and put up some additional tape.

I do think changing the course in a big way, like what happened with MVDP in the Olympics, could be dangerous. He also, as I understand, missed the rider briefing after practice where they went over the change. Kind of similar to Richie missing the gate/flag clarification.

With that said taping corners a little longer and closing cheater lines that have been burned in DURING PRACTICE seems pretty reasonable to me. Racers should expect the course to change during practice, between getting hammered by hundreds of riders, weather conditions and the nature of what I am talking about. Insanity? I'm not so sure.

This is what I am getting at with my racing culture point. We tape the course and the obvious cheater lines but it's impossible to get all of them when all 400 racers are trying to cut at every opportunity. Bigger steps can be made to change "The Spirit of Enduro" to keep people on the trail. It could also mean less dumpsters full of used course tape at the end of each race, a sight that always disappoints after a weekend of racing.
  • 36 13
 Yanks are in meltdown. Did he think the gates were there just for show?
  • 9 13
flag extratalldirtrider (Oct 2, 2021 at 10:20) (Below Threshold)
 We are? I’m not that’s for sure. It’s just one race and he’ll be back on top again next season. Cheers, mate!
  • 10 10
 You wish. everyone just wanted to see a good race.
  • 10 8
 @extratalldirtrider: that depends on which water bottle he uses during training
  • 4 10
flag justgoride (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:35) (Below Threshold)
 @extratalldirtrider: yeah he'll be back on the top next season if he doesn't make another little f*ck up or get beaten by one of those riders who are equally as good as him and are just cruising with him.
  • 20 2
 Any rider, or that matter sports competitor, classed as a
“PRO “ should know the rules inside out .
That way they can gain advantage where appropriate or not .
I think it’s harsh for them both to be DQ’ed , but a penalty of some description is justified .
  • 22 2
 That video is pretty damning. He rode inside the gate so he wouldn't have to slow for the slippery corner. The DQ seems justified to me.
  • 12 0
 Agreed, he’s able to carry so much more speed
  • 8 5
 Why would anyone knowingly cheat so obviously in front of so many people? It's clear that there was a misunderstanding about the gates vs the taping.
  • 10 1
 @jayacheess: for the same reason he got caught dopping
  • 7 2
 @jayacheess: Possible, but how did the entire rest of the field get the message and not those 2?
  • 2 2
 @Bikedude666: Why do some people make mistakes and not others? Who knows?
  • 3 0
 @jayacheess: Are we are debating whether or not the riders are innocent of the infraction or because RR got "screwed over" by the man?
  • 29 11
 The question isn't whether it was a fair penalty (it was).
It's to what extent this was an honest mistake vs. stone cold cheating.
Another rider might get the benefit of the doubt, but y'know...
  • 29 1
 I was stood by the second gate and it was a very deliberate line choice. Rude cut 2 gates not just one like the other rider.
  • 8 9
 @MysticMCyclist: tlThere's no way he was trying to cut the course deliberately. It's wide out in the open with spectators and countless cameras running.
  • 9 0
 @wburnes: i said deliberate line choice not deliberate course cut but the line chosen was not legal so DQ as per rules.
  • 10 6
 @MysticMCyclist: deliberate short cut to straighten the corner. No way that was accidental. He just cheated again
  • 18 2
 If it was that of a course setup then surely more riders would of missed it...the fact only 2 missed the gate kinda looks like they deliberately cut it and everyone else stuck to the rules
  • 3 2
 I don't think so, looking at the tape / gates I can see how at high speed a person may miss that. When racing you can have tunnel vision fixating purely on the line your riding. Tunnel vision is a common human error, when your concentrating on something you can miss things that seem obvious. The underlying cause is the way the officials set up the tape and gates in this case. Unfortunate. Now blame is on two riders you for caught out by bad markings.
  • 3 1
 @saltire: Nope. When you are racing everything is clear and you can see the trail.
Or you are a f*cking muppet rider. I’m not sure which one.
  • 20 5
 I've never seen gates used in enduro or DH races in the US and the rule is typically you can go wherever you want as long as it's between the tape. I don't think they had any other choice in this instance besides disqualification, but it sure sucks to end the overall this way. Maybe they could have given him a 10 second penalty for each gate missed instead?
  • 20 1
 that's rude
  • 21 3
 That line takes a lot of bottle!
  • 16 2
 I think calling for a time penalty instead of DQ is missing the point - the question is not how much advantage you had through your actions, the question is whether it was deliberate and unfair. If someone tries to cheat or knowingly bend the rules to their advantage, you have to remove said person from the competition. Simple as that.
  • 20 4
 So after 6 years, ews returns to UK, and this is what it will be remembered for.
  • 2 0
 There’s always next season...
  • 13 15
 The drugs cheat cheating again
  • 13 0
 For those saying between the tape is how it should be, why would the organizers place gates then if the racers aren’t supposed to be between the gates? There is an obvious line that makes it seem pretty obvious that the course goes between the gates.
  • 14 1
 And the mtb F* up award of the year goes to: Richie Rude, Mathieu van der Poel or Myriam Nicole?
  • 11 0
 Mvdp or rude. It’s a really a tough race.
  • 2 1
 This is the real question here, very tough call, Myriam Nicole has my vote
  • 10 1
 One cheated, the other was plain incompetent, Myriam definitely gets a pass here
  • 4 0
 Haha, MVDP for sure. Myriam gets the prize for most inconsolable look after a race though. Richie is DQed from the contest, obvs.
  • 13 3
 I was a marshal at that race next to that section and it was as clear as day that you had to go between the gates, it’s a shame the title fight ended that way but I do think Richie, a seasoned professional was just changing his luck.
  • 3 0
 *Chancing*
  • 4 4
 You should have red flagged that bitch and sent him back up for another go
  • 14 1
 Kinda obvious where the virtual tape is
  • 12 1
 Race isn’t over yet, Moi Moi Tv still has to finish tomorrow off to be crowned World Champion! Then he HAS to get a Jordan’s sponsorship, I mean come on CEREALSLY!!
  • 5 1
 Nah, he has enough of a points lead to win either way.
  • 15 2
 They were told before the race about the gates…
  • 14 6
 It’s a sad end. Clearly it was a mistake, given the fact it was in full view of finishing arena, he’s hardly being cunning or sneaky. There’s no choice but disqualify or time penalise him according to the rules. I hope he can comeback next year and crush it. Him and Jack Moir have taken things to another level and it’s been a great battle.
  • 8 2
 2/1000 riders make a 'mistake'. doesn't seem right to me.
  • 11 2
 @justgoride: 2 riders were caught. It's clear from all the video and photo's that many more took that line. Super lame decision.
  • 8 0
 How could it be a mistake? If he’s slid wide and missed a gate sure, but he intentionally worked to take the high inside line.
  • 1 4
 I said the same thing. Hard to believe both riders would cheat in the most visible and crowded area near the finish line. Fans got robbed of an epic final battle between Moir and Rude with the overall on the line.
  • 2 3
 @Mike-Jay: how about it was an intentional mistake? I see so many arguing about wether it was intentional or not. The answer is that yes, the line choice was clearly intentional. But the answer is also no, he didn’t intentionally break the rules as he didnt realize the line was illegal.
  • 5 1
 @edisfo: in practice maybe. but you can't just let criminals off because 'someone else got away with robbing a house so you should too'.
  • 2 2
 @justgoride: But does the penalty fit the crime? Disqualification is quite severe. Time penalty would have been more appropriate and then let them race in the final race.
  • 2 2
 @tacklingdummy: i think, honestly, that they just got sick of him. if they knew that some riders were taking that line early, got annoyed, said something about it, and then rude and the other bloke just ignored it, then i could understand a strong reaction.
  • 9 1
 After watching the vid, the first thing i thought was that inside line they took is obviously not right. At the same time thats just a lazy tape job. If you want tape to keep spectators back on that fast slippery section thats fine but also tape between the gates. These racers are pro though so they should know the rules and if unsure they need to ask
  • 18 9
 Seriously, Gates? WTF. Scroll though the Enduro World Series instagram page and try finding one photo of a racer between gates instead of course tape. Good luck, there aren't any!
  • 4 7
 Exactly this ^^^
  • 19 9
 Everyone else seems to have no problems, maybe it's the water bottle again?
  • 17 7
 By his logic, he should be able to skip all the gates in a dual slalom race as well
  • 8 0
 Saw them on Bernard Kerrs LSD.

They were not confusing at all and out of how many riders only two got it wrapped wrong?

Plus on the video pretty obvious where you should be going due to the other riders tracks.
  • 9 2
 Out of thousand ridders only two missed the gate? I doubt that was Course error, it happens and the rules are for everyone, people agree to compete based on those rules, either you a pro or just a person having fun during weekend
  • 7 0
 I’ve been racing my entire life and that seemed pretty clear to me. If you didn’t need to go around the gates why would they be there, and why would the grass be completely f*cked on the right but not the left. Pretty surprised a professional would make that choice.
  • 9 1
 So if Rude hadn't been dq"d and Moir dnf'd for whatever reason, then Rude could've won he series, but then it would've totally discredited the ews as he's seen to have cut the course and still won.. Right decision to DQ.
  • 18 9
 So the water bottle was Jared's fault and now the course cutting is the org's fault. We're not buying it Richie.
  • 10 0
 I think we should be more pissed off with it being filmed in portrait mode
  • 7 0
 I haven't been very impressed with the sportsmanship of Richie. I really want to like him but this is the second time in a few years that he's hanging onto thin plausible deniability of cheating
  • 12 4
 My mistake about the gate rule, but the tape the gates—Richie Rude

Is he having a stroke or is there a typo in the quote?
  • 6 0
 I think it means tape from the gate to the course take to make it even more obvious.
  • 8 0
 Yup, that's the comment exactly as written. We've reached out and I imagine we'll update with a few more words pretty soon.
  • 20 10
 My mistake about the gate rule, but *then* tape the gates
—Richie Rude

That's how I read it. I'd be shaking angry too if I were him. It's a harsh ruling.
  • 14 0
 @Breeconay: I don't know man or seems pretty obvious to me where riders are supposed to go.
  • 9 5
 @Breeconay: For real. After such tight racing all season, this is a pretty brutal end to it all.
  • 9 1
 @Breeconay: it might be brutal, but considering that nowadays the, can do trackwalk and practice i think it's deserved if you end up doing that.
If it's unclear after practice and track walk you can still ask what they mwan or if they could tape it regularly.
  • 27 25
 @alicialeggett: it's not too late to change your headline to "blatant cheating gets penalised appropriately"

Just a thought.
  • 25 10
 @chakaping: "cheater gets caught cheating again"
  • 13 4
 @chakaping: I'm not much of a Richie fan, but I kind of doubt both Rude and Slawomir were sneakily cheating full view of course marshalls and fans at the stage finish. There is just no incentive to do so when for Rude the championship and of Slawomir a top five finish was on the line.
In my opinion disqualification is too harsh a penalty.
  • 2 1
 @PhilGyr: in the heat of battle, anything can seem like its worth it. and for richie, fighting it out, this last little advantage might have seemed genius.
  • 6 3
 @alicialeggett: not really. 998 other riders managed to go the right way and stay on track. He cheated to gain time and got caught. Ask the blame is on rude
  • 4 1
 @chrismac70: You don't seem to understand that the chances of a rider in the location NOT being caught are zero. Hence my and many others conclusion that Slawomir and Rude were mistakenly riding the tape. At the end of a full gas race. Read Ed Masters take on it, I trust his judgement might be a bit better than yours.
  • 4 2
 @PhilGyr: doing it infinity off that many spectators just shows how stupid the decision was. It makes me wonder what else he gets away with in the less watched parts of the stage
  • 5 0
 @PhilGyr: 'Uh-oh, too fast. That's bullshit. You got that on video. That is not on.'--E. Masters
  • 21 13
 So many upset Americans, the course doesn't need to be any wetter from your tears.
  • 5 0
 We're not even mad tho
  • 14 3
 It’s not about being an American. I’d be pissed if it happened to Moir too.
  • 7 6
 @wburnes: all the americans ive seen in these comments are mad as hell about this.
  • 8 1
 @audeo03: Its almost as if Moir knew where to ride.
  • 4 22
flag reed81 (Oct 2, 2021 at 17:49) (Below Threshold)
 Would be part of the 3rd Reich if it wasn’t for the the crybaby Americans.
  • 13 3
 @reed81: I see USA history lessons are very much like USA war movies in that you think you pretty much did it all.
  • 4 4
 @reed81: at least as part of the 3rd Reich the course might be taped properly
  • 1 0
 @justgoride: Probably just selection bias. I'm in the US but I haven't commented til now because I don't give a fk who wins races. The people most likely to comment are those who care about the outcome. I just came here with a proverbial tub of popcorn to watch the flame wars.
  • 2 2
 @fatduke:
Maybe I’m just replying with a shitpost to a shitpost. We both know the US wasn’t needed and the Nazis were on their heels.
  • 5 0
 What did Rude think the gates were there for, if not to go between them, just decoration? Its bizarre, why would a top level professional racer think it would be OK to cut them like that? That plus the rider briefing clearly stating the rules and the fact that none of the other top guys had an issue, if I was at Yeti I would be seriously considering the future relationship.
  • 15 8
 Should have put gates OR tape. It would be more obvious to the riders without the tape.
  • 39 8
 The tape is needed to keep spectators out of the way. Nothing wrong with that setup really
  • 12 1
 @mashrv1: It's basically the same setup you see at other races like dual slalom or dh skiing. These are just taped much wider usually. And of course in dh skiing there isn't tape but safety barriers, but the effect is basically the same for spectators.
  • 8 0
 @mashrv1: thats my guess wet grass and high speeds can result in riders sliding quite a distance once they come off the bike so it was probably to provide a modicum of safety for spectators
  • 8 11
 @TheJD: but it's NOT skiing, or dual slalom, come on...
  • 2 1
 @mashrv1: fair. I guess I just haven’t seen it before - was this a common set up at other EWS? I’ve seen plenty of metal gates keeping spectators back and then the tape to route the riders. Is this how they do it at DHWC’s or are spectators up against the track tape?
  • 5 2
 @mashrv1: why not just have two lines of tape then which is what’s been used for years on the dh circuit?
  • 8 2
 @oatkinso: of course they could. For whatever reason this time they choose to take another option that’s available to them. 998 riders found this to be just fine
  • 5 5
 @mashrv1: sure, but why even introduce any doubt, just either use two lines of tape or tape every gate. Yes I think Richie Rude was a little daft and he should’ve been aware but I also think the taping was open to confusion too. Those two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
  • 8 0
 @oatkinso: I think it’s Melamed that’s quoted as saying the question of the flags was asked and clearly answered at the briefing. If Rude wasn’t listening then he’s only got himself to blame. His current defence on Insta is “other people did it too”, so he knows he’s screwed up here, not the course builders.
I’m struggling to see where the doubt comes in though, nobody (and certainly not a highly experienced professional racer) is truely going to think they’ve just put some random flags on the course for fun?
  • 4 5
 @mashrv1: Blame on both sides. Rude should have been aware AND the gap between every ‘gate’ should have been taped up. Simple. Or stepping back a little, there should never have been gates in the first place and then there would never have been an issue.
  • 9 2
 @oatkinso: going to have to agree to disagree I think. No need to tape up any gaps when every rider knows the way down the course
  • 13 4
 Remember when the helicopter was flying ahead of Moir and blew the course tape loose, leaving it to flap all over the place? That was confusing as hell, but Jack kept to the track because he is a professional and knows where the course is.
  • 5 0
 To everyone who complain about BS rules, competitors are familiar with those, and volunteered agree to compete based on those rules. In case nonoe like EWS, there were not be thousands at the start gate
  • 8 3
 Bullshit ! he knew exactly what he was doing, he tried to cheat but was caught by cameras and now he is all excuses.. bla bla bla... nice try, better luck on the cheat next time
  • 5 2
 I like Richie and this sucks for the race and his season. The gates looks pretty obvious tho. Now there are more than 2 tracks so if they only make an exemple of those 2 pros, that BS. And a penalty would be more appropriate iate than DQ
  • 3 0
 If he honestly thought that you did not have to go through the gates why did he not go inside the next right hand gate as well? it looks from this angle that it would make the turn too tight hence cutting the first to get a faster and better line into the right hander
  • 11 8
 I guess once you've been caught taking performance enhancing drugs, everything else seems like child's play. To everyone saying that he wouldn't cheat in front of so many cameras, the man has no shame. He is a drug cheat who hasn't once shown any sort of humility.
  • 3 0
 I was thinking in my mind without looking at the video the section would be very tight and confusing,but when I watch the video get a big laugh...The trail is the size a 777 could land between the flags no problem,maybe not the best way to tape a trail.
He follow the race french line,that´s it.
  • 4 0
 They had practice leading up to the race, it's not like they were like...surprise, here's a gate out of nowhere. I get the disappointment but these are the best of the best. They won't make the same mistake again.
  • 3 1
 While the rules say He done wrong and that counts as a DQ I cant disagree but in this case the ruling around breaking rules is wrong IMO, Yes he cut the gates so in the interest of sport you apply a time penalty, motor racing doesnt just DQ a driver it gives time penalty's.
This is why EVERY rule book needs a "good faith clause" he didnt punch someone or something crazy he just made up extra time on one stage, take it off him and apply a time penalty, the racing stays going and doesnt cause a on-purpose stir
  • 7 12
flag chrismac70 (Oct 2, 2021 at 13:56) (Below Threshold)
 No he just deliberately cut the course to yet and gain an unfair advantage
  • 1 2
 @chrismac70: what are you talking about? i agree'd. but for one stage that he didnt win anyway a time penalty would be more realistic
  • 3 0
 The reason there is no such thing as a ‘good faith clause’ is because ‘good faith’ would be impossible to prove or disprove in a situation like this.
  • 1 0
 @sino428: did you know alot of laws and especially in work places now it's written that both partys have to act in good faith?
this instance is irrelevant because its obviously not written but time for old school ruling to catch up in the world.
  • 2 0
 @noideamtber: This isn't a workplace, and its not a law. Its a rule in a sporting event.
  • 1 2
 @sino428: lol, typical american. sorry mate but the rest of the world works different, in a good way.
  • 4 2
 If the EWS were to use discretion and say "because they were poorly marked we've decided to penalize by X instead of DQ for tomorrow" would people be equally as outraged? Or have there been situations in the past like this and they have to remain consistent?

Looking at this isolated incident it seems ridiculous not to be able to offer discretion. It's not like this was done in a secret area. Clearly they didn't mean to cheat in front of the freaking crowd at the finish line.
  • 3 1
 Haven’t seen anyone comment on the fact Ed masters in the video is saying Rude is going too fast for the corner.

Rude probably knew it as well and knew the only way he was staying on the bike was to get on the fresh grass outside the gate.

That’s more likely than he didn’t know he had to go through the gate or it was unclear.

Either way everyone saying it should be a time penalty. How would that be fair for anyone else who has been disqualified during the season.

The rules is the rules and he broke them.
  • 7 2
 Fack the gates stay in the tape lol
  • 24 23
 Chris ball, this is f*cked. You had one of the best overall battles going on and let UCI dictate an outcome that ruins it for everyone. He broke the rules, there should be a penalty. But outright DQ? Good work on flushing the excitement down the toilet.
  • 7 6
 100%
  • 22 5
 Letting cheaters prosper would hurt the series much more in the long run than this DQ.
The guy should anyway be on a lifetime ban with his mentality ... "performance enhancing drugs - just an accident" "cutting the course - just an accident" ... sure.
  • 2 2
 You're forgetting who pays CB's salary. Also do you remember his reaction on that doping scandal from 2019? I don't, because there wasn't one. So pretty sure he won't bite the hand which feeds him.

One of UCI's roles in these kind of events is to be an amorphic mass of officials and papers (read: bad guys). How many of those UCI guys you know by name? So for any unpopular move as a series organizer you can always put blame on them. It is a mutually beneficial relationship for them. For everyone else it might be a different thing.
  • 2 4
 @mo-T: not saying he should be penalized. He should be.
I just think a DQ for that is unnecessary and over the top. Granted, any course cut to that magnitude (small and inconsequential) a DQ is egregious.
  • 6 5
 @mo-T: agreed. I don’t understand why his sponsors want to be associated with a known cheat
  • 2 0
 @mo-T: this!
  • 4 0
 bad mistake. One Eddie Masters filming and commenting straight away. It;s a pity but the rules are there to stop cheating.
  • 1 0
 Purely coming from a selfish spector point of veiw, I wish they had given him a 5sec penalty, and we still could of had on hell of a race tomorrow. Crap way to end what was the most exciting season so far for enduro world champ battles.
  • 3 1
 After watching the video I think it was pretty clear they needed to go around the gates, but this isn't dual slalom. A simple time punishment would be better for this situation.
  • 6 0
 No more cheating Richie
  • 3 1
 If it was so confusingly taped why did everyone else seem to understand it? I’m pretty sure everyone knows how ski gates work. But a time penalty probably more fitting for a missed gate…
  • 3 2
 Not a top pro racer by any means, but it’s tough to figure out what the course is supposed to be in enduro races when the taping is inconsistent or different from the practice days to the race runs. I suppose he should be beyond reproach, but when you are going all out, the course needs to be obvious and clear. In my opinion (I wasn’t there and just saw the video), this may not have been so clear.
  • 3 0
 It’s been an exciting season and although this isn’t end anyone wanted that’s racing. Congrats to Jack Moir he’s fought hard for it
  • 1 0
 In Richie's defense it seems a really dumb place to cheat, plenty of spectators and cameras in the sprint to the finish, you wouldn't bin a decent result in the hope that everyone blinked while you cut the course. He should be penalised for it, and it's a shame for the season as the title battle was great. Listening to the course briefing is part of the game and they have enough support and experience to do that, but I don't think he was being sneaky, he just made a mistake.
  • 6 1
 Seems pretty obvious that you need to go between the gates to me.
  • 1 0
 Check out Lewis Buchanan’s POV run. He almost made the same mistake but course corrected just in time. Racers often instinctively follow the straightest lines. Plus, there’s zero chance he would have gotten away with it in front of so many cameras and spectators. I don’t care about Richie one way or the other but seems like a legit mistake.
  • 7 5
 Well that's anticlimactic... Wtf didn't they just give him a time penalty?! He should've known better, but DSQ is way too harsh
  • 6 4
 Watching the videos, you didn’t have to slalom the gates, just ride on the inside of them, why not just move the tape in further then???
  • 3 2
 Because then spectators would get taken out.
  • 1 3
 @Mike-Jay: Two rows of tape or block off the spectators from the dangerous side of the turn. The only real problem corner is the grass one rude took and moving that tape to the edge of the grass wouldn’t have been dangerous and no one was really on the bottom side so that could have been moved up. I saw some racers say there initially was tape between the first gate and the taped edge that got taken down for some reason, that would have been good too!
  • 6 4
 I can see why you have to disqualify him but that taping is obviously gonna cause confusion. What a shit end to an amazing battle this season
  • 11 0
 So confusing that 99.8% of the riders understood where to go....
  • 7 0
 @stevemokan: I actually looked at the results and did a quick calculation of riders participating on the stage (193) so it’s actually 98.96% of riders that didn’t get themselves disqualified. Haha.
  • 4 0
 Has anyone asked joe Connells opinion ?????
  • 10 9
 Of you look at the grass considerably more than 2 people cut it. A bit like Van Der Poel's story. I back the rider in each case against ambiguity by race organisers. Should have been tape between tape and gate
  • 5 1
 in practise maybe, but in the race is just daft. theres clearly a line that everyone else was following, why did they think they could just chose this one here that is obviously perfect.
  • 6 0
 There is no ambiguity. All we’ve heard is that the 2 people caught so far have been chucked out. If those other people are identified (we have no idea who or when those tyre tracks were created) then I’d expect they’d also be chucked out
  • 7 4
 I feel like even a 20-30 second penalty would have been much more appropriate.
  • 7 3
 Should have gotten +10 sec for each gate, not DQ
  • 4 0
 At the end of the day , if you roll the dice you may have to pay the price
  • 4 0
 What does Ed Masters think about this? Is it the spirit of enduro.
  • 14 0
 Direct quote on this from Ed Masters "that's not on"
  • 2 0
 @JamesR2026: and if you listen to the audio he did it twice
  • 4 3
 Tape AND gates?what a stupid way to mark a course, I feel sorry for Rude,I'm an Aussie and I %100 want jack to win but this is bull$h!t.im sure Jack would not be happy to win this way either, I mean he was Gunna win anyway!
  • 8 8
 Two people effed up. Yet the Pinkbike dbags want to concentrate on the US guy. Yeah, you’re showing your bias. Sure, he chose to cheat in a wide open area where he would surely be caught.

Outside sucks,E bikes are cheating and USA is crap.

Damn I feel cool now.
  • 1 1
 This was the best back and forth battle we’ve ever seen in EWS, what a disappointing end to this battle. The rules need to be revised and maybe a time penalty would be more fair. I’m sure Jack’s satisfied winning this way after an emotional roller coaster all season. I know us fans wanted to see then go down to the wire.
  • 3 1
 So hire king should the time penalty be? Should it be 1 minute 5 minutes, the same penalty as given if you change a controlled part of the bike? Do you want the person who cheated to be able to win?
  • 2 2
 Really strange, can you check LEWIS BUCHANAN run in the prostage highlights from PB...

Hit these link: www.enduroworldseries.com/news/1717-vittoria-ews-tweed-valley-pro-stage-

at 5'45" where's going Lewis? and suddenly, the gorpo footage is cut !!!! pretty sure that he cut the lines too Wink
  • 2 2
 Looks like a dumb mistake and the two riders didn't read the rule book. I find it hard to believe that they deliberately cheated in the most visible crowded area just before the finish line. They should just penalize with a time penalty and not disqualification for the final race because now it just really makes the final race not as good since Moir and Rude have been battling for first all season. It just gives the overall to Moir.
  • 4 1
 Anyone saying this was not fair hasn’t watched the video. The gates are Very easily seen.
  • 3 3
 I agree that cutting the course was stupid and should be penalized, but the course designer also should realize what a stupid course decision that was. The first gate had additional tape, then it stops. Better yet, two lines of tape would have eliminated 2 DQs of top riders.
  • 3 2
 The gates are for the riders-racers and the tapes for the spectators (fo not enter the track). So R.R. is a cheater for second time in his carreer and instead for an apology picks up a cheap excuse...
  • 4 0
 Gates aren't installed for decoration. Anyone familiar with skiing?
  • 9 5
 Can't teach commonsense.
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flag Robbyc1979 (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:08) (Below Threshold)
 But you can teach proper spelling
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 @Robbyc1979: Apologies for the mistake of not hitting the space button.
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 @Robbyc1979: Nothing in his post is misspelt.
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flag Robbyc1979 (Oct 2, 2021 at 11:33) (Below Threshold)
 @mtb-scotland: misspelled
  • 3 2
 @fatduke: but it’s common sense to put a space between two words.
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 @Robbyc1979: technically if it's anything it's bad English as it can be used with or without the space depending on how it's being used.
  • 8 0
 @Robbyc1979: misspelled is an American English thing.
  • 12 9
 Harsh decision. Time penalty yes, DQ too much IMO
  • 8 6
 why put slalom gates in any how....pile of crap to what could have been a mint race....
  • 2 0
 So a straight line down the hill would have been better to watch the beat in the world race?
  • 1 1
 @NZRalphy: prob no gates at all and let the riders choose their own lines like in DH...makes it more interesting...
  • 4 1
 jack should have done the same and settled it in an arm wrestle
  • 3 0
 Damn, it’s not a grande finale for Slawomir Lukasik was hoping for Frown
  • 2 0
 No, it's not Frown
  • 3 1
 Now if we could just disqualify all the weekend warriors riding off the main lines and creating braids.
  • 3 0
 Damn,they aren't even french!!
  • 6 6
 Dude. Just slap a 30 second penalty or something. That is total bs. Clearly it was a mistake. He traveled all the way to bloody Scotland from USA just to get dq for poor track marking.
  • 2 3
 I dont get why this rule exists in this Black or White fashion. The rider lost the entire weekend for a small lapse which perhaps didnt even give him an advantage. Id suggest to give time penalties instead, something like 5 to 10 seconds added to the riders time in that run. Will cost the riderd dearly, but doesnt kill the entire weekend, where for the other stage when they rode perfectly legally, they get their results accordingly.
  • 5 1
 He would’ve gained more than 5 seconds. He was able to carry way more speed than anyone else over a very long section of track, getting harder on the pedals between the corners than anyone else as well.

He is supposedly one of the best enduro riders on the planet. Everyone making the excuse “that he was breathing through his eyeballs towards the end of his race run” as though riders enter a state of confused delirium, are spouting nothing but BS. Rude is at the pointy end of the field, only he and 1 other cut that corner, not only did everyone else at the pointy end, but also the also rans and the amateurs, could see and understand where the track limits were. He should’ve known better, it’s on him.

I do agree that a DQ is way harsh. A time penalty would be more appropriate, but it would have to be significant enough to discourage the practice and have real significance to the riders weekend, not just drop them back a placing or 2.
  • 1 0
 @riderseventy7: so make it 10 secs or what ever is needed... Thats all m sayin
  • 2 0
 It seems Team 'Merica is out in force on this thread. Moir not only deserved the win overall but also earned it
  • 16 16
 Seeing the footage seems a tad harsh to disqualify. Time penalty would have been more appropriate ? Is Rude still in contention tomorrow?
  • 18 1
 Reading is important.
  • 7 1
 Sorry just re read . It’s game over man ,GAME OVER!!
  • 6 0
 @Afterschoolsports: having read your reply I can confirm this
  • 11 0
 I will just add that I believe missing a gate is a far lesser offence than drinking from Jared Graves water bottle
  • 7 0
 @jimoxbox: yep that's why he is only dq from this race not a whole season...
  • 1 0
 @FqqTBawL: yep you’re right gin on an empty stomach on a Saturday night plus Pinkbike is a bad idea
  • 8 1
 @jimoxbox: maybe he thought he was going around someone else’s gate?
  • 2 1
 Well, for the first time this season I chose Richie and Slawomir for my Fantasy ‍♂️
  • 7 8
 corny fuckin rule. tape off the gates then in you didn't want that to be the course. Every single MTB race ive ever seen was racing within the tape. Richie and Slawomir got robbed
  • 8 0
 Never watched a dual slalom race then?
  • 5 5
 @JamesR2026: this wasn't a slalom race.
  • 4 0
 @Ironchefjon: the last section was!
  • 2 1
 @JamesR2026: nope, it was enduro.
  • 7 7
 Whoever placed these flags needs a swift kick in the dick. What a silly layout. Still, Rude deserves one as well. He knew the rules, however ridiculous the UCI made them.
  • 2 4
 Penalty is over the top for the offence. Surely something like a 10-20 sec penalty would suffice. In rallying if you leave the stage/ cut out part of a corner you get a time penalty......this is no different. A DSQ should be for something serious....not this.....
  • 4 1
 RRcutthecourse.com
  • 1 3
 I don’t know why they couldn’t just give him a 30 sec penalty or something… DQ seems harsh. But I guess not all these situations are video taped like this, so have to be consistent for all. Still sucks though, was looking forward to the Jack / Richie heat.
  • 4 1
 That’s very rude
  • 2 0
 Richie used the french line on this one.
  • 1 0
 I'm just pissed, cause I just got off work and it's too late to change my fantasy lineup.
  • 2 0
 Course cutting in enduuhhrro? Nooo I'm so shocked....¿
  • 2 0
 HB cut the course!!! Was given the rainbow strips....!!!
  • 2 0
 South Park - Bill Belichick…
  • 2 0
 "I misinterpreted the rules"
  • 1 1
 How many others here are picking up on the fact that many other riders also should be DQ'd? (He followed tire tracks...seems kinda unfair to only pick on two riders) Lol
  • 2 0
 He *said* he followed tire tracks, but the whole thing was filmed. Only two riders went inside the gate.
  • 1 3
 last time i checked in MTB you follow the race tape, not stupid markers like we are skiing, when you are going so fast and trying to not slide out on mud you dont think about going around a marker you stick with the tape. This is the UCI and EWS coming up with stupid rules that are ruining enduro racing. i dont think Jack would have even liked for Rude to get DQed, he wanted a fight. Plus why would Rude try to cheat in an open field where everyone could see him and risk losing the race. we all know international sport organizations are anti-American, and really dont want us to win. Rude had a huge chance of coming back and beating Jack for the overall title. Cant wait till next season when Rude comes back and just smokes everybody.
  • 17 17
 Lmfao what a joke. Tape the gates then, this isn’t skiing. You stay inside the tape in mtb racing, not inside the gates.
  • 8 7
 Richie Said: the waterbottle was not his waterbottle!!!
  • 4 4
 Not fair.. there is a tape between the tape and the gate for some riders, then the tape disappears
  • 5 2
 No. 1st gate was taped, 2nd and third were not. The person taking video just moved down the hill between riders. You'd have to immoral or dumb as a rock to cut that gate.
  • 3 0
 @UtahBrent: yes you're right, the tape was only at the first gate, my bad
  • 1 0
 Free Richie till it’s backwards
  • 6 6
 How much time was gained? Wouldn't penalizing twice that amount of time be more than adequate?
  • 8 2
 You're being wayyy too reasonable for the UCI. It'd be crazy for them to do similar rules to F1, MXGP, SX...
  • 7 6
 Evidently it's a new UCI sport, the Enduro World Slalom.
  • 2 2
 All that shiny grass lets me know definitely more than 2 riders took the same line. That much is obvious
  • 1 3
 Check out Lewis Buchanan's POV to see how they had the course taped at the bottom. One of the gates has tape running to it, with the subsequent gates without. It's really confusing: youtu.be/zn-9l5vFy-0?t=227
  • 3 1
 Yep, that's what Slawomir references in his comment. I think everyone agrees it was outside the lines, but it was not a blatant attempt to cheat. Time penalties should be enough.
  • 1 0
 Watch and move on, be a fan of yourselves mkay?
  • 2 0
 LOL
  • 1 0
 That's disappointing in the extreme..
  • 1 0
 All he did was take the “Strava line”…gotta get the KOM.
  • 4 4
 EWS fail! Mark the course correctly. Lost a lot of faith in this organization… cya
  • 4 1
 But not lost your faith I an idiot rider?
  • 2 0
 I agree
  • 1 1
 Cutting the course should be a stage dq not a race dq. Poorly written rules.
  • 3 0
 How the hell would you do a stage DQ if the overall time across all stages counts?
  • 1 0
 @nots1: Makes sense now. It would have been nice to mention that in the article for clarification.
  • 3 1
 Total bull
  • 1 0
 Wow is this what it's like to watch EWS?

I'll continue to not, thanks.
  • 16 16
 How is that not just a time penalty?? Full DQ is bullsh**!!!!!!
  • 2 1
 Wow.
  • 3 5
 EWS officials should have just given Mr. Lukasik and Mr. Rude a 15 or 20 sec penalty on their stage time and a warning that they will be DSQ next infraction.
  • 3 4
 Think a time penalty for both riders would have been more befitting of the Enduro spirit !
  • 10 10
 I don’t give a shit. That’s an idiotic way to lay out a race course.
  • 4 6
 Aah this really sucks, DSQ for misleading markings, time penalty would be fair as clearly nobody would cut the track in finish
  • 13 1
 How the hell was it misleading? It’s not like a coyote ran out there and painted a tunnel on a wall.
  • 4 1
 Clearly 2 did. Even those who fell off managed to stay between the gates
  • 2 2
 It's f*cking embarrassing!
  • 3 0
 Yeah Rude should be really embarrassed. But I guess he'll continue to learn from his mistakes
  • 1 1
 Shoulda got his balls out
  • 1 2
 Seems harsh, maybe time penalties should be considered instead, I.e. around 15+ seconds in this case
  • 6 5
 UCI ruins everything
  • 9 4
 I think in this case it was Rude that ruined things.
  • 12 14
 I think you see comments here from people that have been racers and are sympathetic, and those that have only spectated.
  • 7 2
 I think you see comments here from people that have been racers and know that the Rude line is faster and less prone to washing out, and those that have only spectated.
  • 6 8
 Surely a 5 second penalty would have been a more appropriate punishment ffs.
  • 1 2
 Did one of the commenters say that Moir was inside that one as well?
  • 1 4
 Rules are rules… but dq seems ultra harsh. Why don’t they just execute them in public. A x second penalty would make much more sense.
  • 4 0
 Time penalties mean you get into the game of “is the cheat line faster than the penalty that you incur” the sport is complex enough as it is.
  • 1 1
 @NielsensBicycles: it’s not that complex just make the penalty big enough
  • 3 4
 EWS FAIL… mark the course correctly… plain and simple… my 2cents and
  • 4 5
 Tape the track , this is not a ski race ! Garbage call to dq
  • 3 1
 Well the bottom bit is intended to replicate a ski race or DS and the rider had to stay in the gates.
  • 1 4
 Surely a 5 or 10 second penalty would be a more appropriate reprimand for such a misdemeanour. Also, so stupid to have both tape and flags. Come on UCI, sort your sh*t out.
  • 7 1
 Nope. The riders simply need to ride the course. Nothing to do with the UCI.
  • 2 4
 Why on earth would they have both gates and tape?!?
  • 9 0
 Gates to mark the course, tape was to keep spectators off the course and Jesse Melamed has said it was clearly stated in in riders briefing as he had also been unsure
  • 2 1
 @Pothead78: Okay. Seems a little redundant to have the gates if there is already tape though.
  • 2 1
 @Startgas: no. The gates were needed to define where the course was.
  • 2 4
 End of the race run. Blinded by your heart rate. Follow the tape.
  • 8 1
 But I suspect that, like all the other competitors, he did see the gate. Let's face it he didn't just smash into it. So in that split second when he saw the first gate his brain told him " it's not there for a reason" and he went left of it onto the track noone else had thought of taking. His brain told him- " all those other world class ews riders are so stupid for not seeing that line or actually thinking that the prerace instructions were meant to be adhered to and misinterpreting the presence of a gate on a race track" . Understandable, so do it again at the next gate. Rude is an amazing rider. He just f*cked up in this case and it was entirely his fault.
  • 1 3
 The right hand gate was obscured/twisted when he went through.
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