Thought Experiment: What's the Heaviest Trail Bike We Could Build for $10k?

May 3, 2021 at 12:41
by Alicia Leggett  

You asked; I listened.

When I wrote about an imaginary super light bike last week, a few of you made it very clear that you don't care about light bikes and were for some reason, uh, upset that some people do enjoy riding light bikes.

But I'm here for you, the 'weight doesn't matter' crowd. This bike is built to be burly. Because you love your bike, you won’t ever want to forget it’s under you, and believe me – you won’t forget you’re riding this.

Plus, since the gyms are still not all open (and also don't always have much sunlight, which is kind of a dealbreaker), kettlebells are probably still sold out, and running isn’t very fun, to shave grams off your bike would be to deny yourself a much-needed workout. So here you go. We at Pinkbike are committed to fitness, and we are putting those beliefs into action by giving you an imaginary trail bike that weighs more than 45 pounds, or 20 kilograms for those across the pond or literally anywhere else.

Next, I've decided to spend $10,000 USD because spending a bucket of money on a mountain bike is a surefire way to become a better rider, plus it bestows bragging rights and definitely successfully masks any deep feelings of inadequacy.

As with the light bike project, this one has a set of ground rules:

No motor, no gearbox, nothing too weird.

Please understand that these are not the heaviest parts ever, or, necessarily, the heaviest part for the price. They’re just some heavy parts that are also pretty nice, all put together. It is nearly impossible to verify that any part on this list is the heaviest in its category, since when a company makes a new part, rarely is “Heaviest in its class!!!” part of the marketing material.

Also, it would take forever to comb the internet to keep comparing the weights of different parts. The forums are of little help, since there are very few discussions about maximizing a bike’s weight, and I’m sure our dear, sweet @brianpark would prefer that I not spend my entire week of work time trawling the internet for heavy metal.

Many of these are just claimed weights. Reality may be heavier, as reality tends to be.

All parts have to be reasonably nice. In general, they have to be heavy because they are burly, not because they are shitty. Most of these parts are downright kickass. Almost all of them are parts I would at least consider putting on one of my real-life personal bikes.

The balancing game of weight vs. price also played a part here, since I was not looking to build a 60-lb demon bike that would fall apart on the first ride.

No parts modifications. All parts are recent model years and are theoretically available for customers to buy, pending stock post-pandemic.

Also, all prices are given in USD and are rounded to the nearest dollar because I can't stand when companies price things at $X.99.



Frame: Privateer 141 - 8.15lb - 3700g - $1759

Privateer 141 Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
The Privateer 141's burly aluminum welds make it a great starting point for the monsterbike project.

This baby is built to survive the apocalypse, which we really might need at this point.

Wheels: Hunt E_Enduro - 2621g - $539


A bike this robust calls for a sturdy wheelset, and that’s exactly what the Hunt E_Enduro Wide wheelset is.

Brakes: Hope Tech 3 V4 w/ braided hose - 768g pair - $500


Hope makes some of the best brakes out there, with their E4s being an all-time favorite of mine, and the V4 even more powerful. These will provide some much-needed stopping power with the added bonus of giving us a few more much-coveted grams. Also, as this bike is equal parts beauty and brawn, they're absolutely f*cking beautiful.

Rotors: TRP 41 2.3 rotors 203mm - 484g pair - $80

TRP DHR EVO

TRP’s 2.3mm rotors are the perfect complement to the stout Hope brakes, and with more material, they’ll provide nice heat dissipation and plenty of confidence.

Fork: Marzocchi Bomber Z1 Coil - 2552g - $779

Marzocchi Z1 Coil

We aren’t interested in pulling any punches here. This bike needs to be capable.

Alternate option: Since this is the age of trail bikes with dual crown forks, we could use a Manitou Dorado pro, which adds almost exactly a pound (at 3093g) and can be lowered to 150mm, which would totally work on this bike. It would, however, take some changes to make sure the front hub is compatible with the Dorado's 20mm thru-axle.

Shock: RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil w/ 450lb spring - 970 g - $519

RockShox 2020

Another instance in which heavy also coincides with really nice, the RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate shock is just what this bike needs.

Tires: Michelin DH22 - 3000g pair - $180


Michelin’s DH22 tires are sturdy, super grippy, and are a good start to building a bike with more rotational weight than you’ve ever seen.

Tire inserts: Tannus Armour 324g pair ($40) + Michelin Protek Max MTB tubes 746g pair ($14) - 1070g - $54


Remember the days of tubes filled with sealant? Then tubeless technology got really good? Then we started putting inserts in all our tires? Well with this sweet combo, you can actually do all of that. No sacrifices here.

Rim tape: 40g - $5

Specificity here seems unnecessary.

Grips: Sensus Meaty Paws - 162g - $33

Views: 21,820    Faves: 50    Comments: 4


The Meaty Paws are exactly what they sound like, with a massive 38mm diameter and this excellent introduction video ft. Kyle Strait.

Pedals: DMR V-Twin - 566g - $195

DMR V-Twin pedal review

There’s a wide range of numbers on the internet about what these pedals actually weigh, likely due to the many possible setup configurations with removable bumpers, etc. Since I don't have a pair of V-Twins and a scale right in front of me, I’m choosing one of the mid-range claimed values.

Honorable mention.

Saddle: WTB Speed Steel - 379g - $39


Like I said above, it’s not worth it to me to seek out something shitty just to try to maximize the weight of this bike, so I’m going with a nice compromise: a quality product from a quality company, but the steel version, which certainly isn’t light.

Headset: Cane Creek Hellbender - 117g - $80


This bombproof headset has some mass, though I’m not going to make a big deal out of finding the heaviest headset ever. Let me know if you need someone to shout at.

Seatpost: PNW Rainer 200mm - 688g without lever - $179

PNW Components Introduces the redesigned Rainier Dropper Post. The third generation of the Rainier Dropper Post maintains the consistency and reliability that the Rainier is known for while focusing on fitting more bikes and providing refined adjustability for the rider.

PNW Components makes my favorite seatposts ever. They are well-made and dependable, and performance is about as good as it gets. That said, the 200mm version of the Rainier is pretty hefty, which is perfect for this imaginary bike.

Dropper post lever: PNW Components Loam Lever - 48g - $69

PNW Components Loam Lever

The things that make this lever the best lever ever - the rubber thumb grip and gorgeous machined aluminum - also make it marginally heavier than average.

Seatpost clamp: Chromag QR - 54g - $46


There’s a price to pay for wanting a seatpost clamp with a quick release for some reason, and that price is giving up on all weight weenie aspirations.

Stem: Chromag HiFi V2 - 200g - $99


In many cases of bike v. tree, bike tends to lose. But probably not in this case. This stem, like the figurehead at the front of a ship, will protect you on your journeys by simply smashing through anything in its way. Charge through all the trees you want and call yourself a forester. It doesn’t get much better than the nearly-half-pound block of aluminum that is this beautiful, colorful, and burly Chromag stem.

Handlebars: Fasst Co Flexx alloy bars - 550g - $325


Not only will this bike make you strong as f*ck, it will also be a delight to ride*. To ensure the best experience possible, we’ll outfit the bike with Fasst Company’s Flexx Bars, which are designed to flex in the direction of the rider’s arm movement while remaining torsionally rigid in order to reduce arm pump.

*This statement applies specifically to when the bike is pointed downhill.

Shifter: GX AXS w/ battery and clamp - 82g - $150

SRAM GX AXS

Derailleur: GX AXS - 463g - $370

SRAM GX AXS

No cables to speak of here. The new GX Eagle AXS drivetrain provides a less flashy entry point into the wireless drivetrain market, giving you the same cool robot noises as the XX1 version.

Cassette: NX Eagle - 629g - $100


Praise the powers that be for groupset cross-compatibility.

Alternate possibility: While Shimano's Linkglide is still very new, the 11-speed cassette weighs 780g and has spacing that isn't all that different from SRAM's Eagle cassettes, making it a possibility. No, we haven't tried it. No, it might not work. Yes, we would try it. Yes, I realize that Eagle cassettes are 12-speed and the new Deore Linkglide cassette is 11-speed. I'd still run it.

Chain: NX Eagle chain - 272g - $26
The appropriate 12-speed chain. Unless, of course, we went with the Linkglide option, in which case we would obviously run the compatible Linkglide chain. Which, although Shimano hasn't publicized weights of non-cassette Linkglide parts, is likely heavy.

Cranks: Shimano Saint ($335) w/ Wolftooth 34t steel chainring ($100) - 919g - $435


While not traditional on a trail bike, this is no ordinary trail bike, so Saint cranks seem appropriate. The Wolftooth narrow-wide steel chainring makes the crankset appropriate for a 1x12 trail bike setup.

Bottom bracket: Hope BB - 110g - $120

More nice stuff.

Chain guide / bash guard: MRP G5 CS - 236g - $100

This bike is made for bashing, and that's just what it'll do.

Total weight: 20.683 kg / 45.503 lbs
Total price: $6,781 USD


With the numbers all added up, it's clear that my commitment to fitness and my commitment to extravagance are fundamentally incompatible, meaning that I couldn't figure out how to keep the bike this heavy and still reach my spending goal of $10k. So I'll do what anyone would do who has an extra $3.2k and an inability to meet goals: buy some other stuff.

The remaining $3,219 could be spent on:

Pedro's Essential Bike Care Kit - $30

A Stan's DART tubeless tire repair tool - $25

An S-Works carbon bottle cage - $70

A weighted vest - $40

A cool light-up bike horn - $10

Six months of therapy - $3,250

A pleasant hat - $35

20 pints of fancy coconut milk ice cream - $180

10 cups of coffee - $25

Two parking ticket fines, second and third offense (first time is free) in downtown Missoula, Montana - $30



There you have it. I know that this (imaginary) bike is the physical (imaginary) embodiment of perfection and there's not much to improve, but I guess I could understand wanting to do things differently. So what would you change?


272 Comments

  • 501 2
 Didnt Brian Park already write this article ab out his Madonna...?
  • 253 2
 I'm angry about propping this comment.
  • 30 0
 I'm just here waiting for Brian's madonna to go for sale. Seriously
  • 51 0
 @pdxjeremy: you’re going to wait a long time. It’s so good.
  • 5 0
 @brianpark: ya I bet. I was drooling over your build!
I may have one in June tho, I got an email Mondayfrom Fritz at Raaw. I forgot I emailed him reserving a frame before covid
  • 3 3
 I just got to ruin your perfect 222 upvote count to 223, and @Brian Parks below perfect 111 Beer And I want that Madonna too!
  • 1 0
 @rosemarywheel: back off! She's mine!
  • 2 0
 @pdxjeremy: Arrr! I'll fight you for it!!!
  • 2 0
 @pdxjeremy: It's easier to lose weight, get in shape, feed the poor and stop the global warming then buy (and recive) a new Madonna
  • 246 5
 The remaining $3,219 could be spent on: an uphill season pass because you're not pedaling that thing anywhere.
  • 123 0
 but Commencal riders pedal theirs everywhere
  • 165 1
 Turn the $3,219 into quarters and fill the frame with them. You could add weight AND value at the same time.
  • 9 0
 I'm more interested in knowing if she's chosen the 'shoulder pad option' for the weighted vest. Or has she stuck with the more common shoulderless option. I always go shoulder pads, power move for sure.
  • 1 57
flag seismicninja (May 5, 2021 at 13:45) (Below Threshold)
 @Waldon83: I'm 99% sure it's a "he"
  • 96 0
 @seismicninja: interesting
  • 31 0
 @Waldon83: obviously yes to shoulder pads
  • 12 2
 Genuine question, bearing in mind most bikes used to weigh in this ball park, did people:
A. Not ride them uphill because they were too heavy
Or
B. Not ride uphill due to no dropper and shocking range on cassettes with 1x drive trains.

Id say my reason was b but im also lazy so that plays a part
  • 27 1
 @drfunsocks: C. use a double clamp seatpost and an embarrassingly small chainring.
  • 8 2
 My 150mm bike weighs around 40 pounds. My usual evening ride is 1500 feet of climbing. I know plenty of people climb higher and faster but I don't mind. I'm thinking about going coil suspension.
  • 9 0
 @drfunsocks: I half pedaled, half pushed my 45 pound Azonic (with no dropper and road cassette) up all the trails!

I was also in my early 20s and 30 pounds lighter....
  • 14 0
 @drfunsocks: I think they just did it.

My 114,853kg '06 Kona Coiler was raved about back in the day as being usable for all-round trails, epic rides, and being able to breeze up the hill you wanted to pound down afterwards. But I'd probably rather take a modern DH sled on an XC course than pedal the Coiler in anger these days. I swear you get more vertical than forwards acceleration on that thing.

The technology has advanced so much, expectations have changed.
  • 4 0
 @drfunsocks: Most people pushed up the hill, that or shuttle runs. It was a common sight.
  • 8 0
 * angry freerider noises
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: granny ring without from shifter + double clamp/ single clamp (those bikes with straight seat tube were pure gold)
  • 13 1
 Used to pedal my 47 pound Banshee all the time when living in Nelson including trails like the Seven Summits, and up Fromme when back on the Shore. Had a 40 lb Cove Peeler with a Fox 40 when living in Utah, pedaling Moab. Lots of Balfas and Banshees with Monster T's used to make the trip up Fromme and Seymour.
  • 11 4
 @seismicninja: i'm 99% sure "she" is faster than 99% of the "he's" in these comments.
  • 13 0
 @savagelake: you know, that man Alicia.... the real HE type of character.

Looks at display pic, claims catfish.
  • 4 0
 @garrisond5: I think next year I'm gonna do a smashpot conversion on my fork
  • 3 0
 @sasquatchclyde: Smashpot coil is amazing. Best upgrade ever.
  • 2 0
 @rojo-1: ever?
Big call, because I think the EXT Storia was the best upgrade ever
  • 4 0
 @Waldon83: EXT Storia + smashpot = grades up "upgrade" ever!
  • 2 0
 @seismicninja: then it would sound cool too, Just like the grim donut actually. A shoping cart full of pots and pans
  • 2 0
 @Preachey: reliving the fond memories of pedaling my coiler, with gazzalodi’s and I’m sure my 05 marzocchi 66 weighed more than 3kg.
  • 2 0
 @kathwill: Yeah my 2006 Norco Shore1 I think is 44 lbs pretty much stock.
Rode it up Mt Seymour Rd years back, full face and armoured to CBC !
  • 150 0
 All the companies featured are now trying to decide if all publicity is good publicity or not.
  • 132 0
 We have no shame. For what it's worth she was being nice about our weight, it's 324g per insert for our tubed inserts, not for the set.
  • 36 0
 Nah that theory has been disproved by Pole a while ago.
  • 4 1
 I don't think Hunt are going to be stressing so much about someone using an Ebike specific wheelset on a non-Ebike and then moaning about how much they weigh.
  • 122 3
 Spend the $3219 on making it lighter
  • 20 2
 savage Smile
  • 9 0
 Or a skin suit to faster!
  • 3 0
 @RussellTinka: someone has not been reading state of the sport
  • 69 0
 Love the carbon bottle cage suggestion. It's worth wasting a few dollars on a carbon cage with a build like this to see if people's heads will actually explode.
  • 2 0
 Sadly you won't actually get to see that happen, but you do have the satisfaction of knowing that it is likely, hell, even probable.
  • 71 0
 Heavy is ok. Overbuilt is ok. Inserts in DH22s are plain madness.
  • 15 0
 Precisely. The last thing Michelin DHs need are inserts
  • 2 0
 Remaining budget spent on grip trainers and a gym membership to build the strength required to pull them onto your rims.
  • 1 0
 @iian: no experience with the DH22, but the 34s are super easy to seat, at least on DT Swiss rims
  • 61 0
 and a 450lb spring won't do because that bike sits at 30% sag without a rider on top...
  • 27 1
 They should have put a 500lb spring on, then the bike would have almost been 100lbs!
  • 61 1
 ”Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should"
  • 13 4
 Man I wish we could post gifs in the comments.
  • 29 0
 I think a set of Onyx hubs laced to Zipp Moto rims might be the worst cost/weight ratio of any wheelset. I was looking at it and it's ~2100g for around $3000.00 USD before valves and tape.
  • 5 1
 But they ride so good!
  • 2 0
 Yeah! Zipp moto runs win the $*m race for sure.
  • 2 1
 those will last you decades
  • 2 1
 @ryan77777: but the quality is soo bad for the rims. Never ever have I seen this kind of craptastic quality.
@nickmalysh: na dude, I know people who crack them every year. Talking ofc about the rims..
  • 1 0
 @Serpentras: tnx for the input, honestly never used them, just heard positive things and never saw cracked.

I like dt rims /wheel system due to all spokes length, rims are published and could be replaced almost anywhere;

Anyway 2.6 for wheels are somehow tooo heavy considering cheap oem wheel runs within 2.4 and rims outlast the hubs
  • 2 0
 I think you just described my dream wheelset!
  • 3 0
 @nickmalysh: I bought the wheel set. Got it and spoke tension was bad, also not centerd. Carbon layer was really bad. Second set was even more bad, wobbly as fuc. Not really a round shape, saw file mark's on it. Talked a few weeks about it to another rider on the uphill about those wheel's because he had them, and one of them he had was soo bad that he needed to use epoxy to get them tubeless. He also had a ticket for it and zipp just said its okay ,if they break we refund it. What the fuc? He then also had the same crap I had with those rims.

I work for a multinational company ans as a QM dude I say its unacceptable to ship stuff like that.
  • 31 0
 Bet this exact build appears on vital with the owner claiming 32lbs...
  • 1 0
 @hevi: why not to go with 161 in that case ? U will be within 40 lb margin however will have more of the bike anyway
  • 1 0
 @nickmalysh: check the link
  • 1 0
 @hevi: My bad, thought it was 141 hey looks identical, cheers
  • 14 0
 next thought experiment: what's the bike you could actually build for $10k, i.e. with parts that are available for purchase (not pre-order - privateer 141 frames are projected as being available in october) right now?
  • 1 0
 Love this idea.
  • 1 0
 Nothing is available for purchase.
  • 12 0
 This is so good!
Please make more articles like this

Here are some ideas:
- building the most boutique bike possible
- building the most retro bike possible (go for the most iconic parts of known bike history, but don't do it in a historicaly coherent way)
- building the shittiest bike possible (select parts which are synonymous with failing / not working)
- building the most common bike (what parts are most common)
- ...

keep 'em coming Smile
  • 1 0
 I mean, for the shitties bike, just build a bike out of the reverb dropper post and your done
  • 13 0
 I find this actually quite surprising and really shows how impressive a thoughtful bike build actually is. Think Ive been taking 'light' for granted a bit.
  • 13 0
 We should applaud the remarkably good value the coffee and parking tickets in Montana represent.
  • 1 0
 Not to mention the 6 months of therapy haha
  • 10 1
 If you wanted to get that price up why not go with one of the many boutique super sweet steel f/s frames out there like Pipedream, Starling or this sexy but sturdy bastard: www.btr-fabrications.com/products/pinner-frame/#frame-options
  • 2 0
 With Starling frame you can get more pricey, but definitely not heavier. It is about 400g lighter than Privateer's claimed weight...
  • 2 0
 SO the Starling Murmur is actually a decent weight for steel, it weighs very close to the selected Privateer. Cotic steel frames are even lighter.
  • 1 0
 And what about a Project12 Vertigo Gearboxed?
  • 1 0
 My Murmur with Lyrik, Hunt wheels and coil shock is around 16kg. My mates Pinner is pretty similar (maybe a tiny bit more). They are both sexy bikes though!
  • 2 0
 @militantmandy: Mine has been up close to 41lb (18.6kg) but that's with a coils both ends, tool bag, EDC Lite, mudguards and probably a bit of mud (and that's proper heavy clayey UK mud, not that light slop they have in the PNW).

Weigh is overrated - it's ride quality that counts.
  • 1 0
 38.6lb w/o tools or heavy mud and that's with little skinny 2.3 tyres.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Just weight my murmur, 12.76 kilos or 28.2 pounds if youre old...... it also means i have no excuse on the uphills now....
  • 1 0
 @poppagee: HOW??? Pics of the build?
  • 1 0
 @poppagee: post to the Starling owners page. Keen to see it.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez:
nothing too serious to report, EXO tyres, no inserts, XM481 rims, Fox 36 and seatpost, carbon bars. just nothing burly at all.
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: unfortunately i gave up on facebook years ago.. too many politicians. message me if youre on instagram and i can send you some details
  • 2 0
 @poppagee: I meant on the PB Post Your Starling page - www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=227910.

It's nice to know you can build a Murmur that light. Mine is at the other end of the spectrum - 511s, coils, Zee and all metal parts.
  • 8 0
 You won't have to spend all that money and just go to Costco or Walmart to get a 50lb+ bike to be used as a "trail" beast. Then, you can have that extra money for like a banana seat, bull horns, and a Blackburn rear rack for even more added weight. Heck there's even more money to add in a bell or a blow horn, some cards for the muffler sound, and some super heavy mastif tape to protect the frame from dings!
  • 5 0
 I nearly take my back out every time a department store bike comes in for a service, just lifting them onto the stand nearly puts me in the hospital.
  • 10 0
 OH YEAH, the NEW TREND. We want GROUND HUGGING... make it 50lbs or it's NO GOOD!!
  • 4 0
 Ground hugging, bottom bracket smashing, brake pad disintegrate heavy!
  • 10 0
 god damn, i bet those streetetz guys with their supermonsters are laughing their asses off
  • 2 0
 yeah some of their bikes were heavier AND more expensive
  • 9 2
 I have a newborn baby crying, and at this point I’m positive his cries are because
A. He is a highly intelligent baby who can read at 2 months old, and B. He has read this article in it’s entirety, and is screaming about the abomination that has been published here today.
  • 7 0
 Suggestion, add a trailer (why should the dog run) with the remaining $3,219.00...its still "part" of the bike technically. Also, could you do this build with a tandem frame?!
  • 6 0
 For real you pick up a monster T and it's a heavy beast! Point the bike down hill it's the plushest most stable fork you have ever ridden. I'm glad robust heavier parts and frames are being made now.
  • 1 0
 yes i love those old forks! They should make modern ones.
  • 1 0
 the super monsters would be even heavier, but the 300mm beast may be somewhat hard to find
  • 1 0
 @mackay66: That would be awesome on a DH purposed bike.
  • 6 0
 I can Help spend money and gain pounds!

Fox 38 With Avalanche hybrid damper, FVaT/HSB, Ramp hydraulic system, Vorsprung smashpot coil conversion.

adds about $1400 and ~2-2.5 lbs.
  • 3 0
 Also, THREE LAYERS OF HELI TAPE ON EVERYTHING. $25 a roll .Bet you could fit 4 or five rolls on a bike.
  • 5 0
 I've only ever seen Kyle Strait in the midst of (sometimes very high consequence) competition and assumed he was quite a serious dude. Happy to have that impression corrected by the Meaty Paws ad!
  • 3 0
 His stans dart commercial is pretty entertaining too.
  • 1 0
 A few years ago he was pushing to get a Natty Light sponsorship and those videos were pretty funny. He's serious about his racing, but it seems he enjoys the party afterwards quite a bit. I definitely wouldn't turn down a chance to watch one of his Strait Acres DS events in person.
  • 4 0
 You could easily add another pound or two with a OneUp EDC tool, 100cc pump, and CO2 cartridge. Also as others have pointed out, you're missing out on dollars and pounds with a Push 11-6. Maybe also a Fox 38 with a Secus upgrade.
  • 2 0
 38 with smashpot coil!
  • 4 0
 Needs Profile BMX cranks and old BMX beartrap style pedals!! You forgot the Slime and frame protection! What about a toolkit, and fenders? A Merino custom steel full suspension frame would be heavier, but also too cheap Frown
  • 1 0
 For sure. I was thinking profiles with BMW shinburgers.
  • 1 0
 @gibspaulding: i remember those! I have a couple of puncture holes in my shins thanks to them
  • 2 0
 @short-but-sweet: I believe it! At least the ones I rode somehow managed to shockingly slippery considering how terrifying they look.
  • 3 0
 While heavy, I expected heavier. I recall my 2005 Banshee Morphine weighing in at 45 pounds back in the day with Atomlab trail pimp wheels and Intense DH tires. I cant recall the fork but I'm sure it was a coil Marzocchi of some sort.
  • 3 0
 Well,
I am still ridding my SIN. It's 23 kilos alltogether...:

MC SIN frame
Marzocchi Rocco RC coil shock
Marzocchi 66 RC fork
Crank Bros dropper post
Magura Gustav brakes
Rohloff transmission
Race Face Rideon cranks
Custom (one off) chainring guard (my design)
Steel chainring
Chris king steelset
26 X 2.6 tires (with inner tubes)
+
Penrmanent mud!

www.pinkbike.com/photo/20569687
  • 4 0
 When everyone is talking about the pleasant damping characteristics of steel, why are there no high quality steel handlebars?
  • 4 0
 They have to be quite heavy to not bend. I think for moto and bmx steel bars have that brace across the top.
  • 2 0
 I had a steel bar on a 2001 (steel) Kona Hahanna. Don't know the numbers but the thing was a lot heavier than really heavy DH alu handlebars. Would fit this bike well if it wasn't 680mm wide.
  • 6 0
 Does this qualify as down-duro?
  • 2 0
 blunt weapon
  • 7 0
 sumo-duro
  • 5 0
 Onyx classic hubs seem like they'd be a good fit, high-end but heavy as a brick (so I hear)
  • 3 0
 (first time is free) in downtown Missoula, Montana

Best advice in the whole column! Next time I go to the Notorious P.I.G. I will worry less about parking! And add to my weight total significantly Smile
  • 2 0
 A KMC EBike chain is heavier - 282g... TrickStuff has a 216g Bottom Bracket... SunRace has a 12s Cassette 689g... Hope has a 216g stem... RaceFace has a 98g dropper lever... There's aPRO Koryak DSP Vario(150mm) Dropper that's 808g... #Jesus o.O Chris King has 240g headsets... Ergon has a Female Specific headset coming in at 451g... & so on(adding weight is taking a toll on me so I'll stop searching here)... =P
  • 7 0
 What ? What the f is female specific half kilo headset?
  • 1 2
 @nickmalysh: very padded for big butts
  • 8 0
 @nickmalysh: Since Ergon 10000% does not make headsets, I believe he means the ST Core Evo Women Saddle, which is almost like a headset in that it is also a bike part
  • 2 0
 Bummer that magura no longer produces the Gustav brakeset with the floating calipers. Huge power and so damn heavy. Also raceface diabolus stem and cranks. Pretty sure I had extra shipping charges when I acquired those. The stem I still use to block the wheels on my truck when changing tires.....
  • 4 0
 "10 cups of coffee - $25"

Squamish must have significantly cheaper coffee than Whistler!
  • 2 0
 Tim Hortons has $2 coffee!
  • 2 0
 McDonalds for the win. Under $2!
  • 6 0
 Y’all realize that making even the most gourmet coffee at home costs at most about $0.30 per 16oz mug, right?
  • 5 0
 Life’s too short to drink bad, and weirdly expensive, coffee
  • 1 0
 Squamish ran out of coffee since Levy got back
  • 1 2
 @VtVolk: Gourmet coffee is way more expensive than 30 cents a mug: www.themanual.com/food-and-drink/most-expensive-coffee-in-the-world
  • 3 0
 @mi-bike: Kopi Luwak is not gourmet though. It's literally and figuratively shit Wink

Yes, I've tried it and yes, I'm ashamed even a little of my money supported the way they keep and treat the luwaks. Group pressure and all that nonsense.
  • 1 0
 @bananowy: I've also had Luwak and it's terrible. There are many proper gourmet coffees that'd set you back well over 30 cents a mug.
  • 3 0
 $2.50 for an Americano at Black Coffee Roasting Company, Missoula, Montana. Shoutout to a cool local business that a.) has the best coffee in town and b.) supports lots of local bike events.
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: Oh yeah agreed on the price part and even being nowhere near a coffee connoisseur I can sometimes tell one is much better than another.

I just noticed the article mentioned Kopi Luwak which has no place on a list like that.
  • 3 0
 "This is some serious gourmet sh!t"
  • 1 0
 @BF2012: Classic Smile
  • 4 0
 Domain with coil conversion and Charger2.1rc2 should be remarkably heavier and pricier than the.Z1.
  • 4 0
 Throw on a Push 11.6 and you'll eat up some of that remaining cash and add a bunch of weight.
  • 5 0
 Oh come one, the quick release seat collar is cheating.
  • 2 0
 If the name for this heavy metal bike isn’t “IRON MAIDEN” then I know there is no hope for this world, because it doesn’t get any more heavy faxxin’ metal than that! Up the Irons!
  • 1 0
 I pedal my hope v4 equipped Avy coil front and rear Nicolai ion everywhere. Although, I don’t have wagon wheels, do I guess I save a few kilograms there. Those grams I have spent on the new wtb htz i35 e-bike specific rear rim @700gr as I am sick of rebuilding my wheels every two weeks.
  • 4 3
 "What's the Heaviest Trail Bike We Could Build for $10k"

"Please understand that these are not the heaviest parts ever, or, necessarily, the heaviest part for the price"

so not the heaviest trail bike we could build for 10K
  • 1 0
 Why work so hard to build a heavy bike, when you can get the same results by just eating lots of donuts? Way easier to pork on a 15 lb beer belly than build up a heavy bike like this.

Heck, I could put on 5 lbs just holding in my poop for a couple of days.
  • 1 0
 Pinkbike may have missed the point when some of us commented that "we don't care about the weight of our bike" when they carried on with this heaviest bike build. This article doesn't 'present both sides of the discussion' - it just further promotes the consumption drive to build the lightest bicycle.

First of all: we're not riding road bikes here, so that would be the primary reason we don't care about weight. I'm never going to do 45-60 km/h on the flat because I have about as much sail area as USS Constitution and aerodynamics is a bitch! A lighter bike isn't going to make a difference.

Second: we're not riding in the Tour de Frackin' France, so we don't care about weight. Sure I like to go on long rides, but #itsnotarace EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Sometimes I just want to enjoy the ride and a lighter bike isn't going to make a difference.

Third, and likely the most important reason: those of us riding for #TeamClydsedale or #BearsOnBikes are usually in a weight class that doesn't exist on the pro circuit and these idler wheels that weigh a few grams less than those idler wheels aren't going to make lick of difference.

A supplemental reason the weight of the bike doesn't matter is again due to the size of the rider: most bike manufacturers build a bike that is sized for the "average" male of 176 cm and 65 kg (5'9" and 145 lbs). This means the heaviest rider their standard frame will support with a test safety margin of 1.5 times is 97.5 kg (~220 lbs). We're not buying those bikes, because we can't even fill out the warranty card.

Now, there are some manufactures (big name, not your Canadian Tire or Walmart supplier - #walmartisnotabikeshop) that build bikes for heavier (and taller) riders, and physics tends to dictate those bikes are going to be heavier than a standard bicycle built for the average male. Once again... the weight of the bike just doesn't matter.
  • 5 1
 I'll take the 3 grands worth of Therapy if no one else wants it?
  • 5 1
 This bike won't be yielding to climbers.
  • 4 0
 Needs one up tool, spare tube, 2 water bottles. Get it up to 50lbs
  • 4 0
 I sent this to 2 of my xc buddies and they threatened lawsuits
  • 3 0
 This could not make me happier. Well written and hilarious premise! I'm actually surprised you got it so heavy. Nice work!
  • 3 0
 Waiting for the review where you tell us how it is surprisingly efficient and pedals quite well for a bike this heavy.
  • 1 0
 I think you chose the wrong frame. The commencal clash frame is a tad heavier. You also should have included spares, since you are running tubes with inserts. Might as well try to cheat if you are already.
  • 3 0
 And I thought my Zerode was heavy at 37lbs
  • 2 0
 no gearbox everything carbon, spec enduro sittin pretty at 38 Smile
  • 2 0
 my process 153 CR DL 29er with some relatively high end components weighs 36.5 lb, time to make it heavier
  • 5 4
 Other than the NX cassette and Tannus/tubes, I’d ride this bike. Total weight matters a lot less than where it’s carried.
  • 7 0
 You're still going to be on a 44.5lbs bike. That's heavy no matter how you look at it.
  • 1 0
 ......
.....
...Except the purpose of this build is to make it heavy. Everywhere. There is weight on every component on this bike. If the weight were centralized to say, the bottom bracket area, then your reasoning would hold weight(no pun intended). But it doesn't. Because this bike is heavy all around.
  • 2 0
 My Banshee Scream weighted 21kg with Monster T and DMR BMX style cranks 15 or so years ago....
  • 1 0
 That's light for a banshee scream! My kona stab primo with Monster T, Arrow racing rims, and cro-moly cranks is 54 lbs (24.5 kg)
  • 1 0
 That sounds light for a Scream/Monster indeed, but I guess it's the 26" wheels/tyres, no dropper and small cassette that makes a significant difference compared to this Privateer.
  • 2 0
 I'm an absolute weight weenie. But man, this was just a great article haha. Comments are gold as usual as well.
  • 4 0
 Classic. Well done!
  • 1 0
 The Stanton Switch9erFS is both heavier and more expensive… a 15 in frame weighs :drumroll: 4.47kg with shock.

It costs 2350 English pounds for the frame.
  • 1 0
 Spend the rest on XX shifter/mech, AXS seatpost and a dummy expensive chain, won’t save thaaaaaat much weight but will unload the wallet.
  • 2 0
 You can use that extra cash to fill your tires with sealant instead of air.
  • 4 0
 MEATY PAWS!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 All that complaining about water bottle mounts, a not even fitting a cage with a 1L bottle. Where’s @mikelevy when you need him?

Solid build though!
  • 3 2
 With a weight of 45.503 lbs and price of $6,781 USD, might as well just get an ebike. You'd have to have Hulk legs to climb with a 45lb bike and those 3000 gram tires.
  • 3 1
 You could by enough cocaine for two, maybe even three days with that extra moolah. (*❛‿❛)→
  • 3 0
 More articles like this please, PB. It’s funny yet weirdly informative
  • 1 0
 Would love to see a ride review against a standard build privateer. I bet the heavy version rides well, but it would be nice to test this theory.
  • 3 0
 Throw a mtn 8 avalanche fork or super t...
  • 2 0
 U need to have a talent to turn 6,5$ k into -18 kg trail bike, not all product managers are capable of doing that
  • 1 0
 Dont forget the full face helmet, goggles with speed and gps readout, body armour, backpack loaded with 2.5 liter platapus power bars and full tool load.
  • 1 0
 My reverse calcs tell me my 2020 Carbon Norco Sight 29er frame is heavier than the privateer. It has light stuff all over it and struggles to get under 15.5 kg.
  • 2 0
 @alicialeggett: builds the heaviest possible trail bike

Also Alicia Leggett: Lemme get that S-Works carbon bottle cage
  • 2 0
 Actofive P-Train (4000g) Frame
Answer Rove DJ (250g) Stem
Hope Bareends
Have I won the Endura Baggy Size XXXXXL
  • 1 0
 Yep for the frame. No idea why they went ally for a heft build
  • 1 0
 @Zophosphoros: Probably because we can at least kid ourselves that Privateer frames are kinda sorta available to buy. With Actofive there's not even an illusion you could get one this century. Alicia said this was supposed to be a semi-realistic build.

And steel isn't necessarily heavier than those tanks from Privateer. Others here have already compared some and turns out e.g. Cotics and Starlings seem lighter.
  • 1 0
 @bananowy: My privateer feels like it weighs more than some of the gates I have to lift it over.

I bloody love it though.
  • 1 1
 Should have outfitted it with the reverb asx dropper, that things the heaviest, and apparent to the bikes it comes on “cool”

But I guess you wouldn’t throw a major sponsor under the bus like that.
  • 1 0
 I know this isn’t the point of this bike but if you just put on normal exo tubeless tires, Cush core, normal gx cranks amd a normal alloy bar it would not be bad at all
  • 2 0
 Nice, this would be a far more fun bike!
  • 2 0
 finally a reason for a motor
  • 2 0
 Build it out of lead. There you go.
  • 3 0
 This is epic
  • 1 0
 This is how i feel with my carbon 30 pound trail bike
  • 2 0
 This is not an epic, in fact the complete opposite.
  • 3 0
 Love this article
  • 2 0
 So good The list of extras at the bottom was icing
  • 1 0
 Way to give the people what they want! Also I can kind of relate to this build list way more then I'd like to admit.
  • 2 0
 That is one heavy ass bike
  • 13 0
 Cardi B's next hit track: HAB
  • 7 7
 YOU SHOULD USE HOPE WITH HOPE STUFF! THEY HAVE EXTREMELY HEAVY VENTED 203s AND ALSO 220s, AAAANNNDDD AAALLSOOO THEY HAVE 2.3 MM THIVK 220S!
  • 7 0
 Calm down! Jeezus....
  • 1 0
 @kungfupanda: THEY ALSO HAVE 225s LETS f*ckN GOOOO
  • 2 0
 Not ambitious enough on the pedals.
Pembree R1V, 624g, $249
  • 2 0
 Gold leaf frame protection?
  • 2 4
 Cute.

While the how-light-for-a-cost-is-not-an-issue-bike question was interesting on a number of fronts, this is more of a hold my beer sort of thing.

What would be of great interest, though, would be to answer the question where dollars buy the most performance (stiffer/lighter/better functioning), and where dollars buy the most bombproofness. Not in absolute terms - yes, I can build an almost bombproof bike, but it'll be worthless unless I only shuttle or ride lifts. But in relative terms - how much do your dollars get you in terms of making a trail bike stouter without losing its usefulness and fun factor.

I'm a big guy - so my personal answers to those sorts of questions tend to favor things like 11sp SLX drive train components, Zee brakes (these days, if buying new, that would probably be Deore 4 piston), Minions, DT Swiss rear hubs (that's the latest, after destroying even the supposedly bulletproof Hope Pro 4). For a lighter rider, that would probably look quite a bit different.
  • 1 0
 Another consideration for is that lighter components (which are usually more expensive too) don't always have the strength to withstand the abuse heavier riders can impart on them. I'm with you, bigger brakes are a must because I like stopping and some of those wimpy little two-piston-pizza-cutters just aren't up to the job!
  • 2 0
 That bike's thicker than oatmeal.
  • 1 0
 "dam shawty u thiccer than a bowl of oatmeal"
  • 1 0
 Quick release seat post clamp is a stretch, when you are picking a modern day dropper.
  • 2 0
 I have a 210 dropper and yesterday for a specific ultra steep climb (1 mi @19% average) followed by an ultra steep exposed descent (1 mi @ -24%). I raised my seatpost for additional height for steep seated climbing and then slammed it for the DH once I was at the top. My friends made fun of me and said I needed a QR. But I was the only one to clean the climb. I'm also only 5-10. A QR would have been nice.
  • 2 0
 The new Commencal Clash frame sits at 4,193g. A f*cking tank!
  • 2 0
 That's a lot of bike for a lot of money.
  • 1 0
 I’ve got one for $1200. My Demo 9 with the Shiver on it. Heavier than an eBike.
  • 1 0
 That wheel/tire setup is double mega. Cant see why more people dont commit like this...
  • 2 0
 Please more articles like this
  • 2 0
 Missed the profile cranks and the new shimano e-bike groupset
  • 1 0
 Profile cranks are nice AF.
  • 1 0
 Wouldn't Hope's vented brake rotors add more weight?
I mean stregth and stiffness and all that stuff...
  • 1 0
 Cool so, in 20yrs Bikes weight the same except this won't break any time soon and can smash everything.
  • 1 0
 4 of these things are on my bike right now haha. Tires, Brakes, Dropper Lever, and Casette
  • 1 0
 I love that bike, it makes my Titan look athletic and lean and desirable. Good job.
  • 1 0
 fill the frame, suspension, tires, and any other cavity with water berm peak style
  • 1 0
 Love this, it really was enjoyable read, and MEATY PAWS is always good for a laugh
  • 1 1
 As a connoisseur of light bikes, I hate this and it makes me sick. I was able to drool over the bottle Specialized cage though. That. Was. Hot.
  • 1 0
 Makes me feel better about my 16kg Knolly Warden which has a heavier frame but lighter everything else!
  • 1 0
 Like everything apart from the NX cassette. I know it's heavy but such a POS
  • 1 0
 Now, continuing on with these thought experiments, I wanna see the lightest NO CARBON trail bike that can be built.
  • 4 4
 I feel like those handlebars will be the Softride bike of the next generation.
  • 6 0
 Lot of guys with chronic wrist and/or hand pain are able to keep riding because of those bars. So, great for certain people.
  • 3 0
 I've used them and they definitely work as advertised. Heavy, expensive, although for sure functional. That said I don't own them.
  • 1 0
 Weighed my trail bike at 36lb. Was gutted
  • 1 0
 just built my shore up. 37.2 pounds Big Grin
  • 3 0
 @crysvb: my Ripmo AF weighed that much when it was coil, dh tires and Deore everything.
  • 1 0
 @crysvb: mine is over 39. Heavier than my DH bike lol
  • 2 0
 This is quality content!
  • 1 1
 So close to my set up in so many ways. nothing like those wacky bars though
  • 3 2
 Best article this month. Thanks PB.
  • 1 0
 So about the same weight as my 153. Yall need to get stronger legs.
  • 2 0
 Now we’re talkin
  • 1 0
 Just gonna save this for later...
  • 1 0
 If you drank $3,219 worth of beer you'd probably put on some weight.
  • 2 1
 Bottom line this bike looks like tons of fun to ride!
  • 1 0
 dont forget to put cushcore on both tires
  • 1 0
 I don't think a carbon bottle cage will help your ambitions here...
  • 1 0
 No Galfer 223 rotors? BOO!!!
  • 1 0
 Ktm weight 300 pounds and e bike 50 pounds
  • 1 0
 Surely the Hope Vented rotors weigh more and are a lot more expensive.
  • 1 0
 This is probably the coolest bike for me
  • 1 0
 No steel frame? Surely you could have got this closer to 50 lbs.
  • 1 0
 Should've been a Norco shore
  • 2 0
 I love this
  • 1 0
 Why would you not use a DH frame and dual crown fork?
  • 1 0
 Because the challenge was to build a heavy trailbike and not a heavy DH bike?

Besides, that frame is heavier than several DH frames and that fork weighs as much as a Boxxer.
  • 1 0
 How come it's only OK to talk about weight when there's a lot of it?
  • 1 0
 Those Flexx handlebars have more ways to break than stay together...
  • 1 0
 This is such a bad article!
  • 1 0
 Love the writing. You start a website called pinkmcsweeneys.net
  • 1 0
 Now build them and race them against each other!
  • 2 1
 LoL
  • 1 2
 All good an funny, but DH tires on a trail bike ?
Put some Schwalbe, same effect (until they start losing teeth) Smile
  • 1 0
 A DH casing Magic Mary is very similar weight to the DH 22. The wire bead MM is heavier but it's not available in good compounds and Alicia wanted nice parts on the bike. If you go anything below DH casing from Schwalbe, it'll be too light for this build.
  • 2 1
 Lol! This is 90% my bike
  • 1 0
 Slow clap...
  • 2 1
 I'd ride it.
  • 1 0
 Boy , that was fun ...
  • 1 0
 Chinese plastic frames
  • 1 0
 Please build this.
  • 2 2
 Thought...or thoughtless experiment?
  • 1 0
 Those are rookie numbers
  • 1 1
 i would buy that...
  • 1 0
 It is basically my bike right now except it has tyre inserts and flexi bars haha.
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