Help Save The Pines Dirt Jumps

May 4, 2015 at 16:33
by Andrew Macdonald  
Pines Dirt Jumps

Pines Dirt jumps were started roughly 15 yeas ago and have gone through a number of changes over that time period, most recently becoming one of Alberta's more well known set of mountain bike dirt jumps. I have been riding and building here for four years, with a core group of three other guys (Mason Rice, Mike Cash and Rylan Salmon), while many other riders from throughout the province come ride when they have the chance. Over the past couple years there has also been a number of web edits filmed or partially filmed at these jumps including this one from last September.

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On April 10th, Mason Rice received an email from the City of Red Deer stating that if we could not formulate a plan to insure our jumps by May 11th they would be ploughed and further building would be prohibited by the city. Our first instinct was to try and join the CABC (Central Alberta Bike Club) which insures the local bike park, however it will be very difficult to convince them to take on the liability, seeing as our jumps are viewed as a high insurance risk without a definite return benefit. Rather they suggested we take the path of creating our own bike club. Therefore we started contacting companies with the hope of finding someone to sponsor us. However, despite receiving tons of verbal support from companies, none were able to work the cost into their budget (especially since we contacted them so late). At this point we created a petition to raise awareness of the situation and have a more organized way to see all the people who want to save the jumps. You can view/sign the petition here.

Here are a few more edits showing the jumps over the past few seasons:

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28 Comments
  • 11 5
 It's cool to save this spot, but at the same time I am a local Red Deer rider and people have specifically stated to me that they built the jumps in a way that you can't work up your abilities, I feel like it has almost been brought on by themselves. It's a hard-core only dirt jump spot.I am not saying it should be fore bare bones beginners either though, don't get me wrong. A pump track would be amazing at this spot.
  • 5 4
 This spot was built by the people who ride it. There is many levels of jumps that are included. There is 4 people who are dedicated to taking care of the park and 5 lines of jumps. We do not have the time required to build and maintain a pump track, and no one has ever approached us offering to help start one
  • 4 2
 Doing a lot of work to challenge the perception a lot of people have of the park, as you can see its not generally favorable. What i was basing my opinions off of was from talks i have had with a lot of guys, and getting there general point of view on the pines. Yes it's true at the actual park out by 77th that you could per say work your ability up to being able to do the jumps at pines, but maybe if you had something in the area of the pines jumps it would be easier for it to be adopted by more people, and more people could get behind it.
  • 4 1
 We have a little line at the jumps to help progress into the bigger jumps
  • 7 3
 I agree with tigerteeuwenn, those jumps have been changed too much and are unridable for the average joe. Years ago there were nicer jumps there I could hit with a bigger bike, now you have to have a dirt jump specific bike to ride there. You can't build a bike park that tailors to 0.05% of the local riders and do it on public property. There is a whole lot of people here that like to ride. Same goes for the mountain bike park behind the industrial area, most of those stunts are way to advanced for the average rider. Nobody uses them and now they are all overgrown. Its a waste. Trails and parks nowadays are built for all levels of riders and thats the way the sport is going. If you want verticle takeoff peak to peak man killers that you can only ride on a small frame dirtjumper with years of practice and many trips to the hospital build it on your own property.
  • 2 1
 "If you want verticle takeoff peak to peak man killers that you can only ride on a small frame dirtjumper with years of practice and many trips to the hospital build it on your own property."

Or just build small jumps and a pump-track beside the "man killers"?
  • 4 2
 Ya that would be cool. I got no problem with big jumps and think slopestyle is cool as hell, but I'm washed up and can't ride there anymore. The Red Deer bike parks could use a real work over, they are stuck in the era of "lets build it as dangerous as possible". The sport has moved on from that mentality. Like I said its a tough sell to try and save a park that is used by so few. If you had a petition to rework it and save the area for biking I would sign that.
  • 5 0
 The jumps are on flat ground, it would be impossible to cater to anything but dirtjump and bmx specific jumps. Also none of the jumps are unridable and they get ridden on a daily bases, and this does include progressive jumps. The mountain bike park is a place for skills to get found, and with that you would be able to start riding our jumps. These are not man killers, and there has been only a small few number of times any one has been injured here
  • 5 2
 Ok... what do I know. Good luck. You'll get no support from me. The jumps there were better like 8 years ago.
  • 6 1
 Why the hell would someone who rides bikes want to see this set of jumps bulldozed? They are more or less the best set of jumps in Alberta. Because they are above your skill level? Because you have to ride a dirt jump bike on dirt jumps? Because you would rather have a flat piece of nothing, then somewhere to ride? "I can't do it, so it shouldn't exist." Pines is used by a lot more than 0.05% of the riding population in Red Deer, and would be missed by many. Red Deer has produced numerous talented dirt jump riders, due entirely to this spot. Guess the percentage of the local riders who would ride Pines if they were bulldozed. Zero. Only Ray Charles would say that the jumps were better 8 years ago. Easier? Maybe. Better? Hellllllllllll no. Pines is in the best shape it have ever been in due to hard work and thousands of man hours of labor from volunteers. Have you contributed to building pines, the mountain bike park, or anything else in Red Deer? I am going to guess no due to your callousness towards the amount of work that has gone into these jumps. No kiddy jumps? Better tear it down...
  • 3 2
 I ain't the one threatening to tear the jumps down bud.
  • 4 2
 I've never been there, but is it worth trying to expand the appeal of the park, perhaps by building a pump track, or other beginner friendly amenities? maybe join forces with bmxers and have them build a track there? something to expand overall usage and bring in more than a hardcore jumper demographic?
  • 2 1
 There is also mountain bike park which can be used to gain the skill required to ride the smallest line at our jumps
  • 2 0
 Maybe I am missing something, what is the $ amount you are seeking from companies or the public? There are many on here (living and working in AB) with access to capital and sponsorship funding through employers and contacts. Depending on the $$$ value you are seeking starting a crowdfunding program may not be a bad idea as well.
  • 2 0
 My suggestion is you guys look into forming a Non-profit bike club. Charge each of your regulars a $50 club fee, and with the funds you should be able to take out liability insurance through IMBA or ABA. I would touch base with IMBA and ABA to see what the best route is for ya.
  • 2 0
 If there is no room for all levels of riders it will be seen a rogue and destroyed. If there is a game plan to build all skill levels and a progression into the big stuff then they might listen to that. Depending on the land available, it might have to be re-worked but so be it if you want to keep it. Giving up something to keep something might come across as reasonable...however you are dealing with government and most times they are unreasonable or unwilling to learn and understand...for them the easiest thing to do is to roll the dozers. A place for all users would be a must, a plan to make it that, examples where it has worked before and if you can spin it as something positive that the City of Red Deer is offering their people then it might fly. Good luck...hope they stay as biking is good for everyone regardless of the type of riding it is.
  • 1 0
 The lines that re established are not able to change due to the fact that they all rely on one and other in order to function properly
  • 4 0
 You won't let people ride at the jumps (from what I hear a lot, don't shoot the messenger), and now you want people to save your jumps.
  • 3 2
 We had a reputation for what you claim, but it is all a misunderstand. Since I have been there no one has been kicked out or told they couldn't ride. We may ask for some help maintaining the jumps, as well as some compassion. This gets twisted in people's minds that we don't let anyone ride them.
  • 1 0
 I support the keeping of the jumps! Signed the petition as well.

Heres why...

Im 30 years old and bought a dirt jumper to go along side my all mountain bike. Used to ride trails and street on my bmx when i was younger Smile

Love the dirt jumper!! Problem is that here in sherwood park alberta the local city built dirt jump area is well...too small. Too unkept. And ive NEVER SEEN ANYONE RIDE THEM EXCEPT ME. I quickly started wanting bigger jumps. They built the biggest set too small.

Sure i love the idea of having tabletops instead of gaps. But just recently started jumping gaps at the devon bike park. Took a lot of nerve but im committed to learn to ride bigger stuff. It opens up a whole world of fun.

Why should the pines stay? ...someday Ill have some big stuff to ride hopefully. Sucks that i have a 2 hour drive to get there but ill go.

And another reason....theres a group of guys who obviously are committed and have committed their blood and sweat to building real trails!!!

For the people who want to ride smaller stuff...devon bike park or sherwood park bike park. Ive seen toddlers riding at devon recently. It was during school hours and they were with their moms so they cant be in JK yet. Lots of smaller stuff to ride out there guys.

Lets not force everyone who loves riding big stuff to move to BC.
  • 1 0
 I hope it all works out, and will lend what support I can.

Perhaps a few of the groups who have tried (whether failed or succeeded) to save a local trail network/jump spot, etc. should get together and develop a lessons learned/how to save your trails article or resource. I'm sure it would help immensely to have some guidance when this sort of thing happens.

Sounds like a good TrailForks initiative/resource.
  • 4 1
 The jumps look awesome and its a real dirt bag move by the City of Red Deer to push dirt jumpers out.
  • 1 0
 So who owns this property? Is this a legal run park? Has anything been resolved on the save the park issue? I've tried to look but I haven't been able to find anything.
  • 1 0
 Hey man we've been taking steps to make it a legal run park throughout the summer and are currently working out the last details with the insurance company. Once that's done the jumps should be good to go for as long as we can afford the insurance. Keep your eyes peeled for some details on a jump jam in the spring to help cover the costs!
  • 1 0
 If you let them tear them down it sets a precedent, and you'll never be able to build more. The city of Calgary is bad for that type of thing now.
  • 1 0
 So we're supposed to formulate, launch, and succeed a campaign before... Monday?
  • 1 0
 We were required a plan by Monday, and action by June 11







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