Bitches Brew - Going Mainstream Can Make or Break an Emerging Sport

Jul 5, 2014 at 13:28
by Amanda Batty  
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Well, guys, it's happened. It's finally here. We've 'done it'.

Mountain biking is officially mainstream.

How do I know this, you ask? Over the last six days, I've seen four different mainstream commercials on major TV networks featuring mountain biking as the "activity of awesome." One was a women's deodorant/antiperspirant commercial (Secret), one was an advertisement for a classically suburban car company (Volvo), one was selling a major credit card (Chase Bank) and the last showcased the benefits of fueling at a particular oil company/gas station franchise (Chevron).

That's a whole lotta air time, kids - and cumulatively, quite the pile of corporate marketing dough. So, we'll say that mountain biking is mainstream. SWEET! We're getting increased exposure. We're pulling in consumer interest. We're considered 'cool' and folks actually know our beloved sport exists. Hell yeah!

However, I'm not popping the champagne quite yet. We've come a long way, but we're not even to the halfway point of this mainstream marathon. Why? Because as a biking community and an action sports culture, we still struggle with the TRUE key to commercial success and sustainable industry-wide growth: inclusiveness.

Some of us struggle with small amounts of possessiveness over our local trails, or we're territorial about a particular discipline or clothing choice (see Lycra vs baggies), while a few of us are totally dickwad elitist bastards. Mountain biking has a 'vibe' problem, and it's going to cost us - big time. Now, I know you're shaking your head behind that computer monitor and telling yourself that mountain biking is the friendliest sport, like, EVER! But, if you didn't ride bikes and you didn't have your trail buddies or build crew, would you still believe that? Think about it: what was the general reaction at your local shop when a squid walked in asking about 24-inch wheels for his fresh new downhill bike from Walmart? What about that goober at the trailhead who can't figure out those shiny new clipless cleats? Or the parent taking their kid out for a ride without extra tubes and basic trail tools?

The way we treat inexperienced newcomers to mountain biking sums up our industry as a whole, and can easily predict the future growth of our sport. With our unparalleled vibing talents and hazing methods, cycling in general is one of the top three worst industries to be 'the new guy' and it not only reflects poorly on on cyclists, but it inhibits sustainable growth and industry profitability. How do I know? I was once one of those dorky newbies. Just a few short years ago (yes, GASP, I haven't been riding or racing for decades), I was that new gaper with the ugly-ass goober helmet wearing hand-me-down shorts and DH shoes. Just three years ago, I was a rookie racer with lots of enthusiasm and no goddamn clue of what I was doing. Hell, I'm still a newcomer in most groups, but I don't broadcast it and I'm often confused for one of the dirt veteran ladies because I've done my homework and look the part.

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and now.


I still vividly remember the first time I showed up to race, terrified and worried like a kid on the first day of school. Rewind back even further (about seven years ago) to when I bought my first 'grown up' bike at a local shop; I was petrified. 'Terror' didn't begin to describe my fear of those scary cool shop dudes. I did everything wrong, afraid of being 'vibed out' in a bike town. Instead of asking for questions from people more experienced than I, opted for late nights in front of a screen trying to decipher what the hell an angle set was and why chain lube mattered. I also struggled for months to figure out the secret to changing a downhill tire, too proud to simply admit to being an idiot and seeking out someone smart enough to know about tire beads.

My experience and knowledge of the industry has changed since those first awkward forays into the magical world of mountain biking, but my perception hasn't. We still need to make room for the new kid. We've made leaps and bounds commercially since I started riding bikes again, but inside of the 'core' population we're still as cold and isolating as ever. Is it part of our cultural fabric? Absolutely. Should it cost us our future? No. In fact, why are we even so obsessively possessive about mountain biking/cycling/riding anyway? As far as I'm aware, I didn't create mountain biking. I wasn't the first downhill racer to ever ride. I wasn't born atop two wheels, pedaling around the delivery room in a giddy dance of newborn talent. I didn't build the first trail, I didn't dream up the concept of lift-served mountain biking or IMBA or even the idea that full suspension was a good idea. None of us did. We're all just riders, building and spinning and laughing our asses off, doing what we love. Saying that we're cold or unfriendly towards new riders because we want to 'keep the sport small' to help 'maintain integrity' is bullshit. Utter BULLSHIT. Unless you're one of the first greats who pioneered this fabulous mountain cycling thing and then introduced the world to our beautiful sport, shut up and ride your damn bike, because you're just an ink dot in long line of never ending riders who fell head over heels with someone else's sport. You were a beginner too, just like I was, and just like millions of other people... And we do all of this because we want FUN.

Most entry-level mountain bikers testing the waters for the first time are doing it for a multitude of different reasons, but one remains king: having fun. Like Cindy Lauper said, "Girls just wanna have fun". Ultimately, that's why we're all here. That's why you wheel that rolling metal contraption out of your garage every morning at 6AM to get a ride in before work. Fun is why we spend so much time at jobs we can't stand, making money to subsidize our addiction to shiny parts and the euphoria of spinning out on perfect single track. Fun is why we cajole our buddies to ditch their wives and responsibilities on a Saturday to go test out a new trail we just found on that old Forest Service map, and why we crack open cold beers after that 'trail' ends up being an 18-percent grade only a moose could have cut into the side of a thorn bush forest. Fun is why we want to share this magnificent, ridiculous sport, and why we breathlessly race each other back to the top of the jump line. Fun. And fun is what our new friends want, too. They want to feel the exhilaration of topping out a 10-mile, lung-busting climb and seeing the view for the first time. Fun is the reason they'll deal with saddle sores and bloody elbows and black toenails and angry partners because they forget the milk after an epic shuttle session. Fun is why we do this, and fun is why we need to remember that all of these 'goobers' and 'squids' and 'newbies' and 'gapers' and 'tourists' are our best hope for a strong and healthy future. Fun is remembering that we all started out somewhere and because we too were once that clueless guy with no hope, and in order to keep the fun going, we need to reach out and help that newcomer.

How many times have we all seen 'that guy' struggling to change his tire, but without hope of actually getting the job done? How often have we witnessed a perfectly capable rider with a perfectly capable bike hiking down a trail that with a few technique tips or some inspiration from a friend, they could have easily mastered? How often have we stepped in to help? In most instances, being offered help by a more experienced rider or mechanic feels like a god-send. It also is pretty damn cool to be that god-send building trust and loyalty in a fellow human who later passes it on, continuing the cycle of goodwill and fun.

Inclusion is a make-or-break it quality of a successful athletic industry. Looking at any oft-beloved mainstream sport, the strongest characteristic of that sport's success is how much it's fans and athletes feel part of it. Look at football, basketball or baseball: how many loyal-to-the-death fans do these disciplines have, even amongst those who don't actively participate in the sport? Millions. Hundreds of millions. Why? Because they feel included. They get a return on their investment of time, energy and money that's irreplaceable. Why is fantasy football so popular? Because those participating in FF feel as though they're 'part of the game'. Growing mountain biking is more than just camera angles and bigger features and scarier consequences. It's larger than athlete contract payouts and prize purses. It's more important than just some marketing hype, because growing our sport means connecting and engaging with each other and yes, those newcomers. It's about making them want to be part of our community and helping them decide to make their own investment in it, which means we need to start including them.

Am I preaching about being best friends with every person on two wheels, despite an aversion to Lycra or cigar-breaks? Am I making a case to turn everything into a green-level, smooth-as-glass flow trail in the congenial spirit of inclusiveness? No... Not even close. Hell no. What I AM suggesting is that we tread a little lighter on the 'new guy' and maybe dial the hazing back. Maybe we chat up our chairlift partner or wave hello at the strangers in the parking lot, or even invite that thirsty-looking 'goober' out for a beer while extolling the virtues of putting pads on BEFORE the jersey. I'm suggesting that we take five minutes out of our day to grow our sport and give back to the community by putting our biases aside to invest in the future of mountain biking by being nice to a stranger... Just once. Or twice. Or even three times. And then maybe we'll start to realize how much FUN it is to see someone progress or the light come into their eyes about having a new friend in their new sport. Maybe we'll see a bit of the reason we ride in this new gal's face, and we'll be inspired to reach out to more people and make more friends. Maybe sharing our fun will make the sport more fun and, in the long term, just a bit healthier.

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  • 90 33
 Hahaha, after reading that I feel like such an elitist fart that no MTB arse ever wanted to pass. A dickhead with a brain surface made of scrotum. Ahaha, and I'm proud of it. First of all I do not ride for fun. I write stupid comments for fun. I ride for my own elitist reasons. Then I could not give a slightest damn about exclusiveness, I love it. i wish parts were mire expensive. For me MTB population can come down to 1000 globaly. This is a sport performed in nature, a temple in my books, thus for people with a call. If someone wants accessible fun, then sofa is the best place!
  • 20 2
 Ha ha ha ha... At least you're honest, WAKI. Wink
  • 24 2
 Christ almighty, this place has been overrun with zealous neg-proppers!

People, get a sense of humor. It makes life easier when you laugh. Wink
  • 12 7
 Mnah, it's agreat write up, don't feel bad about it. I love your energy ineverything you write. Jeep on kicking those brains Smile

All the best!
  • 32 3
 I couldn't agree more with the "exclusiveness" you mentioned. I have found myself riding more and more with newcomers to the sport (relative to my 18 years mountain biking) or other people I never rode with because I was too busy riding with the "cool kids"... in our matching TLD kits, top-end parts, and general disregard for anyone not on certain brands (or really, anyone on a Kona). I am so SICK of the "holier than thou" attitudes from people I spent countless hours riding with that I can hardly be around them anymore. On a personal level they will always be my friends, but on the trail, I just can't take it. I hate that I had that attitude, and that part of me still gets pulled into the same mentality from time to time. But every time I'm out riding with guys who have never been on "this" trail, are stoked their first long-travel trail bike, or with a couple of my long-time buds that can be self-depreciating about ourselves, I have exponentially more fun. I don't want to see our sport become truly mainstream, but I can't deny I love seeing people discover how awesome mountain biking (as a sport and lifestyle) really is.
  • 20 2
 I'm with waki (first time ever). My best trail days are when I don't see a soul.... granted, the trails wouldn't be there without support, rider base, etc... what a stinking conundrum. What is an elitist to do?
  • 1 3
 WAKI is write on,all these new comers need to learn i get it,but you gotta'sa 2 see it my way and the waki way,are sport is not for every tom and rich,or sue,and are sport was big at one time 6digit big for some riders,but the bottom drop out,back in 2006,all these new bike park are cool ,but the new rider never going to feel that aw,cause its bmx street on a mt.,not a trail on the mountain with 2in and no back in like 1998,but i guess we must take the new write up the a----.so sue and tom and rich can have fun one day out of 360.and me i like fun so i make my on trail,a pro rider that learn the hard way not the easy way,hay lets make the surf at PIPELINE EASY.
  • 1 3
 ONE MORE THING MOST HUMAN'S do help other's in need were not all bad,.
  • 1 3
 second more thing its been mainstream long a go on tv and mag's do a history report first then type,sorry but its been done,like every other thing blown out.
  • 7 1
 with your country's population being a whopping 3.7 million you probably really do only have 1000 bikers in the whole place. If you're going to be a dick, keep your riding in Mauritania.
  • 4 6
 Dixomatt... oh you checked that - impressive. Have you also checked if "we" support Al-Qaeda?
  • 5 0
 Woahh that escalated quickly...
  • 1 2
 dixomatt,i hope you did my history,i turn PRO in the GOOD O'LL UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,don't let my flag get in your way,when PRO CLASS HAD 150 riders trying for 70 spots,and 30 of witch were none U.S. RIDERS.so when i type i do history, and i'm still hitting gaps today on 2 wheels since 1976 JAWS also going fast so anyone that wants to neg. me come to SO. CAL.,i have the bad's track in L.A. so bring it.
  • 1 3
 DIXKOMATT your 19 your still a greenhorn.
  • 1 1
 for those of you out there that like to neg. get your facts,like when you attackey some ones FLAG no one thing,know the history of your own flag first.
  • 2 0
 Easy man, Im not from Mauritania anyways...
  • 29 4
 So fellas building secret MTB trails, don't get your panties in a bunch, Secret trails will always exist, they will ALMOST ALWAYS get blown out by others and again ALMOST ALWAYS get plowed! Its the nature of the beast. Oh and guess what else will happen, even though right now, you are 16-19 and so core it hurts, you will get a job, probably have a family and other obligations and the trails "you built" will probably be taken over by some people who you think are groms right now! its ok! Its called evolution or maybe revolution haha.

I have seen countless secret spots with thousands of hours invested in them come and go, its kind of the beauty of it, you and a few others (maybe even thousands of others) had a chance to ride those trails that will never exist again, you got this piece of pie that no one else can ever have, THAT WAVE. But while they are running and pristine, the love NEEDS to be shared! so that others can spread the passion!
  • 2 0
 Damnit how do you know my life!
  • 3 0
 Or you be smart about building. Help Maintain the public trails to give back, get karma for private trails. But when you're riding someone else's private trails, you'd better be ready to pick up a f*cking shovel. The one reason I've lost faith in the industry is the amount of entitlement all rider's seem to feel. "Someone else built this, it's their job to patch these holes not mine"
  • 30 11
 I don't want mountain biking to be "Mainstream". I want to keep that special moment when you meet another mountain biker when you're out riding, and even if you only nod or say "Hi" to them, you feel that connection, because you both have the same passion.

No, I'm quite happy with it staying exactly as it is. Trail centres shouldn't be crowded like supermarket isles. Also, more mountain bikers means more limitation, Do you really want mtb'ers to be banned from here, there and everywhere? I thought not. Mountain biking has never been "Mainstream" and I don't want it ever to be.
  • 5 1
 I think it's growing rapidly yes, but you don't have to worry about it going fully mainstream. It's not like football where you can go down to a park, throw a ball on the ground and have a kick about. The best part is there is no ease of access like football. You need to buy a bike, gear and pay for travel to ride locations. And some people just can't be bothered with that. And those people are missing out.
  • 21 16
 .. And there's that territoriality that I speak of in this article. Is the sport yours? Did you invent it? Did you create cycling or build the first-ever bike trail? In fact, how did you get into riding? Were you born atop two wheels and a frame? No?

Well then, it's not yours, and being an elitist about how you want it to be exclusively belonging to those 'worthy' enough to know about it just makes you sound like a dummy. Don't be a dummy.

Share it, spread it, watch it grow and bloom. There's nothing wrong with bikes (even mountain bikes) being mainstream, especially seeing as how they make fitter, happier, more productively active, community-oriented people.

Saying you don't want mountain biking to go mainstream because they'll shut down our trails and restrict access is like saying marriage equality and voting rights will lead to beastiality... I call bullshit. There are plenty of trails and plenty of bikes to go around, so please stop with your selfish obsessiveness of a sport you don't own.
  • 15 10
 I didn't start riding because I saw mountain biking in a commercial on TV, no, I was introduced to it by a select few friends who taught me the ins and outs if the sport. And saying that mtb becoming more mainstream will not affect the closure and destruction of trails and restriction from rights of way is preposterous. Land owners and wardens are much more likely to tolerate the odd mountain biker than a constant stream of riders. Am I elitist? No, I really don't think so.
  • 18 14
 By a 'select few friends', eh? That learned how to ride a bike from where, eh? Because their dads didn't see little red bikes on TV when it was still black-and-white and learn how to ride in a driveway somewhere? How did you start riding, young man? Did you ever use training wheels? Or did you show up on your very first day and start hucking 100-foot gaps?

And are you a forest service employee? Are you an active trail builder or access advocate? What do YOU do to keep your trails open and relationships with locals wardens cordial? What do you personally do to ensure that YOU aren't the cause of closures and angry land owners? Have you always known what to do and what not to do? Because hot damn...

If you're this good at 17, I can only imagine what you'll achieve by 30. Intercosmo travel, maybe? Total world peace?
  • 11 7
 You're no better than a newcomer, kiddo... None of us are. It's about loving two wheels and sharing it. And if you can't see that, maybe you should go ride some more.
  • 11 6
 Am I an active trail builder? Yes.
What do I want to do to keep my trails open? Well...I want to make sure that the least possible people know about them and ride them.
With personal experience of being banned from riding local areas due to an influx of other riders, riding disrespectfully to both nature and other users, I can safely say that more riders = Less access.

The fact that I don't have many places to ride makes me appreciate the places that I do have to ride. I don't live next to a massive lift accessed bike park, nor do I live next to a trail centre. I'm just an average rider who wants to be able to carry on riding the few places I can.
  • 1 0
 Let's face it guys, you're making the obvious arguments for both sides. Both have their merit. Getting more people into the sport means that bike parks and the like will have more funding, so they will eventually get bigger and better. However, having a large influx of riders to an illegal trail, or even a partially legal trail center starts to piss people off. And then, biking would end up having to be mostly in dedicated areas. And hell, I can't afford to get out to a big mountain or trail center every weekend. The little riding within a biking distance is mostly poaching ATV and snowmobile trails, with one small state park that bikers aren't exactly allowed on. Given that I'm a good 2 and a half hours from the closest bike park, and many great biking spots around me have been throwing out bikers or outlawing biking there totally given that so many people show up...all it takes is a few complaints or a serious injury and a great little spot can disappear. And then I'm left with one NEMBA sanctioned area and highland bike park as being "close".
  • 2 0
 I think that most of us are all better than newcomers in a certain respect - we all know what to do to keep small riding spots around. I'd say that biking will get bigger gradually, and there's no need for a massive push in either direction. Sure, there's always a need to be nice to a newcomer. But you know, I got that when I first started racing, pretty much everyone was really uplifting and nice to me (complete with my pads over my jersey, a piece of shit for a bike, falling all over the place and blocking the lines and such). Now, being polite and having a conversation with the guys on the chair next to you already seems like a regular part of biking to me. No need for you guys to take shots at each other over this.


To ambatt, as usual I liked the article. However, I'd say that as an industry, we've already "made it". There's not a "make or break" time coming up any time soon - there's plenty of bike manufacturers, people to buy said bikes...there's lots of large, well-established mountains and purpose-built places to ride. System ain't broke, and it's slowly going to get better.
  • 8 8
 Taking shots and asking questions of a 17-year-old boy who feels as though mountain biking is 'his' are two very different things, my friend. I agree that too many riders in an illegal area is bad -- I'm not suggesting we take them into our secret trails or blow up our own spots, even in the least. However, maybe we should talk more about trail advocacy and legal building than keeping 'outsiders' out. Asking questions isn't a bad thing, guys. It's also all friendly, despite my aggressive approach... We all ride, and at the end of the day, we have to be able to get along.
  • 8 0
 I saw the hyperbole as a little biting. Kid's just trying to argue for the other side. And thankfully, I think that the kind of politeness you're talking about is already here, and that's a big part of what makes the sport. I'm pretty sure that its-joe is just a little overtly wary of showing the new guy on the block the less than legal trails...and honestly, newcomers need to learn about the legal trails around them, as well as their local advocacy groups before they start sneaking off to build on their own. It's not exactly right to build a community around illegal spots. However, it seems that its-joe and I are in the same unfortunate boat of not having the most upstanding trail options around us. And as you rather eloquently put it before, we're kids. Compared to someone who's spent half their life racing or involved in the sport, 17 ain't much. I'm not sure if there's a point to this reply, since I agree with both of you. Make the big spots bigger, expand on trail centers, keep the politeness a part of the sport - and keep illegal trails on the down low to make sure that hordes of bikers don't give the sport a bad rep. I think that even with the prices getting a little obnoxious and a few of the people too, mountain biking is moving in the right direction. And I'm pretty damn happy that the sport has a future, since I'm just getting started.
  • 10 1
 Maybe it's different where you live, but here there isn't much love for mountain bikers. Half of the hikers/horseriders/dog walkers that I meet are hostile, even though I am always respectful to them. There is a very fragile balance between mountain bikers and other trail users. I think that an influx of lots more mountain bikers could quite possibly break that balance, and the outcome would be negative, but only to the mtb'ers, not the other trail users.

Legal building...pffffft. Land around here is owned by either sheep farmers or the forestry commission, and we all know how friendly they are to bike trails, don't we?
  • 4 1
 @its-joe
"I want to keep that special moment when you meet another mountain biker when you're out riding, and even if you only nod or say "Hi" to them, you feel that connection, because you both have the same passion."

Why cant you have that with more riders? why does making it mainstream need to stop that.
Sure going main stream may bring in more douches but ultimately the culture will develop how we show newbies. If we show new riders to be welcoming by showing that nice nature to them we are more likely to keep our sport with that atmosphere and nature.

Second part
"And saying that mtb becoming more mainstream will not affect the closure and destruction of trails and restriction from rights of way is preposterous. Land owners and wardens are much more likely to tolerate the odd mountain biker than a constant stream of riders. Am I elitist? No, I really don't think so."

That applies to private land owner, making mtbs mainstream actually increase the public trails leading to less need for private trails. Equally if you are riding private land you need to seek permission from said owner first so they can always control how many rider are there. The closure of trails applies to illegal built or private only land.

Arguably illegal trails may be the only source for some and in that case then keep the trail on the low down but don't cut off riders who want to help establish the sport.
  • 4 2
 @its-joe: If you're building trails on non-authorized land and they get shut down by the land owner/governing body then so be it. That is your own fault for not seeking proper channels to build trails. Will more people riding illegal trails shut them down? Yep, and good. You DO NOT own the land. Now, could a bunch of riders get together and petition the state, forestry, or license land to get trails built? Yep, and it will be far more attainable with a larger voice. Mountain bikers have a bad rap in some areas because of you select few who don't understand how to properly and legally attain/build trails.
  • 9 5
 There seems to be a lot of ignorant people here. Petitioning for trails? Do you actually think that in the real world, that would ever happen/work? And what disgusts me is that you're saying that it is good for people's hard work to be mindlessly destroyed. Do you have any idea how many great trails began as illegal ones? This is the kind of stupidity that I encounter on a daily basis, but not from fellow mtb'ers. You should know better.
  • 5 0
 I couldn't agree more with you joe. The only person that knows about my trails is me (and the deer that trash my berms). What happens when new kids find out, they shout their mouths off. In the woods I might add, drawing attention to gillies. Tell their mates about them. Before you know it there's litter everywhere, upset land owners and other users of the forest. This article is far to preachy without being realistic. Yes if your at a bike park/trail centre be nice to everyone, then you can call elitists dickheads. Because the same guys on expensive bikes with all the TLD kit to go with are nothing more than weekend warriors, who think they're elite but are nothing more than all the kit, don't know shit. But to say to the likes of joe and me we should share our hours, days, weeks, months of hard labour.... Sorry, ain't gonna happen. You've got to earn it.
  • 1 0
 To Albe23,

Tell me when you look at this map, do you think some rich laird is gonna let me build trails just because I've formed a club with 5, 10, 20 people. You must be joking. But if I can get away with blending in my trails and nobodies none the wiser, who gets hurt? I get my trails which I've worked very hard on, the landowner has no idea, because he rarely actually see his own land. So what if I don't share it with everyone I meet.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/10/scotland-land-rights
  • 4 1
 @its-Joe: Yes you can have trails built by petition, I'll point you in the direction of the SWAMP mountain bike club. They just built a whole new trail system in a county park via, I don't know, legal and responsible channels. If a group of Floridians can grasp this concept in sure you can too. Illegal trails piss off forestry, land owners, and local/state governments. It's builders like you that are limiting everyone else's ability to build legal trails. You're creating a liability for the land owners and a bad rap for mountain biking. It's not your land and as such you forfeit any and all hard work you put into that trail. It was never your trail.
  • 4 0
 Did you read the article by any chance or simply ignoring me? I've been building trails for 20 bloody years. The more we have this discussion the more I can't stand new people to the sport. Ironically there are elitist newcomers to the sport who have only ever ridden trail centres. And get up on their high horse about what I do. How dare they and people like you. You'll never know the sacrifices people like me make. Have you ever even picked up a spade? Have you open the curtains on a wet cold morning and dragged yourself off to the woods to lift heavy boulder after boulder searching around the woods for hours to build a foundation. To then dig out the dirt, to shovel it around. You'll probably never know, padding it down is the hardest. This takes hours, sometimes days, just for one bloody berm. And I do this in solitude, not like you see people having a crack in videos. The reality is so different you can't possibly understand. As to private land. f*ck them all. Your country men simply stole it all from the natives and my country men have it because Their families swung the biggest swords 1000 years ago. I'm a citizen of planet earth.
  • 2 0
 I don't know where your from but up in the north there is a lot of respect for mtbers, if you show respect you get respect back from other trail users. there are plenty of secret wee trail spots which local farmers simply ignore as long as your cause no hassle.
  • 2 0
 Dear ambatt, I wish you wouldn't speak so negatively about beastiality. It made my trip to Bangkok much more memorable.
  • 1 0
 Landibambi, my point exactly. I try to keep my trails as inconspicuous as possible. Maybe the land owner does know about them? If so, he/she hasn't attempted to tear my trails down or put up private property signs. Maybe they don't mind because I'm a single user and I don't leave litter everywhere. I am under no illusions that if a bunch of newbies found out, who don't know the unwritten rules, there would be trouble. I've seen it happen time and time again. So like I said before I'm a nice guy who'll chat to anyone at a trail centre old, young, good and bad riders, I don't care. But I don't want others riding my trails without an invite. People may say that's elitist and I'm not being fair for sharing my trails. But it's simply doing so has consequences. Newbies will learn the hard way if they choose to build and ride on other peoples property. I admit in the eyes of the law, it's not my land, but I'm simply shovelling dirt from one spot to another. If it causes no harm to others then I'll continue and keep them to myself. Regards from Inverness.
  • 2 0
 Has anyone else noticed how contrarian the British can be? Say one thing and your bound to see a user name with the Union Jack next to it saying the opposite. Most of the world is NOT like the Brits. Here in the US central states mtb is growing fantastically. Membership in bike groups has grown. Communities are pitching in (albeit slowly). The trail heads are busier every year and the sport looks healthier than ever. I know I've been agitated to find a newbie without a helmet going the wrong way on our trails, but 7 yrs ago that was me. If your concerned about your sport, in any way, than get involved more, and it will help if you keep the newcomers in mind as you do so.
  • 2 0
 Ambatt: awesome piece. To sum up from my perspective:
Just because some was a total dick to you getting into the sport doesn't make it right for you to do the same to a newcomer. In fact it's your call to make it better for the newcomers.
  • 2 0
 Deadtime,I think you'll find mountain biking is very healthy in the UK. Hence for a country that has virtually no lift access except 2 spots we do alright in producing World Cup racers. But the issue of being nice to newbies and inviting them to your own hard work are two completely separate issues. As for most of the world is not like Brits. How much travelling have you done? Americans are well know not to even own passports let alone leave their own country to meet others. No offence to others yanks. Just calling this one out.
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 I hear the point of elitism loud and clear. I must admit that I'm getting a tad jaded on going to Whistler for this very reason. I've seen people get heckled for venturing onto A-line for their first ever run on it, myself included. "Wrong trail?" Says the douchebag park rat, as the cut you off. People tend to forget that no one comes out of the womb clearing huge jumps.

I really enjoy my local hill more and more. I see familiar faces; newbies and shredders. Rarely is there any kind of attitude. I try to connect as much as I can, make eye contact, offer encouragement.
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flag jibber420 (Jul 11, 2014 at 23:27) (Below Threshold)
 I'm sure you wouldn't be getting yelled at if you were nearly clearing all the jum
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 Jumos probably more likely your going way slow on a faster advanced trail your not ready for be humble and ride the smaller stuff till you get better or if you feel you have to try the stuff way beyond your reach, do it when there's not a lot of people on the hill. I see the same thing skiing busy days on the hill and lots of people unaware what's going on around them putting there pride first and trying to go way over there heads because it's what the cool guys are doing. Just take your time put in the work and pay attention and you most likely won't be getting yelled at.
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 The times I've seen it happen, or when it happened to me in the past, the rider was going fast enough to not be a hazard.

You see, can only do so many hundreds of laps on CIU before wanting to cut teeth on something bigger. And let's face it- there's a big gap between the skill required to ride CIU vs A-Line. Nothing on the hill truly prepares you- at some point, you just have to give 'er.

But at the end of the day, when you say "do it on a day when there's not a lot of people on the hill", keep in mind that one day may be the only day the person's in the park, and they've paid their money just like everyone else. Perhaps instead of slinging insults, the shredder can get a little stoked for the newbie
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 ... Because it likely took them some courage to pull that trigger.
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flag jibber420 (Jul 12, 2014 at 7:38) (Below Threshold)
 Just think of the idiot driver on the road holding everyone up if you want to jump in the fast lane better be ready to punch it or be ready to move aside if faster people come up it sucks just as much for them to lose their flow as it does for you to get heckled. I don't understand why you can't find other places to ride that are somewhere in between those two trails until your close to ready for a line it's good to push yourself but just don't get in way over your head go with the flow and you'll be fine. And most importantly stay aware
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 My point is that in WBP, that there aren't a lot of jump trails in between those two, skill wise, to help progress toward heading onto A-Line/Dirt Merchant. If there were, then I'm sure people be happy to go over to those first before hitting something like A-line.

But comparing new riders, that are trying to progress onto bigger trails, to idiot drivers is not going to win you any friends.
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 Not comparing drivers to new riders just to riders that feel they need to do something way over their head on a busy hill and impede flow for everyone else. Once aging it's not a thing against beginners I rode with several of them yesterday it's just about being honest about your skill level and finding terrain that you can ride or are very close to riding and doing it in a way that dosnt impede other peoples fun. If you don't like getting yelled at stay out of the way when your the person getting in someone else's way or real with it the people that got slowed down by you had no choice. So just think it's at least of as much of an annoyance to them as it is to you quit whinning and stay out the way gapped
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 I'm not out to change anyone's mind about this. The trails I mentioned are just examples.

I, for one, am not whining. I can take getting yelled at; I'm 41 for chrissakes. I'm now fast enough that I'm catching new riders (gasp! Never thought that'd happen honestly) but I just choose to react differently in that situation. If I'm at a trail junction and slower riders take off in front of me, it's just an excuse to rest the legs, take in the day, and wait a little bit. Seems a more enjoyable way to go about it to me.

The other option...getting aggro and insulting people (I'm not accusing you of doing this, just an example of what I've seen) while hiding in your full face helmet, I just couldn't do that. And my guess is that most people wouldn't be as comfortable doing that if they knew they'd be recognized while standing in the lift line. Weak sauce to me shrug>
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 I've never felt the need to go far enough above my abilities that I'm causing others to all slow down just ride what you can ride you don't need to prove anything by riding something your not even close to ready for
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 @ambatt's core message can be applied much more broadly than just MTB's. In short, offer a helping hand and don't judge a book by its cover. A whole lotta shite in this world would vanish if we all tried to just be more damned friendly.
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 I like this... A LOT. Thanks for summing up the point so well. Wink
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 I dont quite agree with this article. From where Im from people tend to be really inviting to "newcomers" (unless its that dickish lycra dude who rides a fully rigid frame and knows he is Lance armstrongs second coming ... you know who I mean). For the most part people that are brave enough to just get out there and give it a try get scooped up into a friendly group environment pretty fast. From my expereinces this article is an unneeded rant. I do think MTB'rs are some of the nicest, friendliest people you'll meet.
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 I can attest to that statement, seeing how a less than 2 years ago I was sitting on my 29er watching cougar 797 fly down a local DH trail in absolute awe, thinking "man I could never do that". Thankfully he's a great guy and was cool enough to show me around the trails and give me some pointers. I'm still not a great DH rider by any means but I've been able to ride that same trail now and it's all cause guys were nice enough to show me the ropes and give me some inspiration when I needed it. I can see the point of the article but I also like to believe in the best in people. Just my two cents...
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 Here's to hope that the culture around the seem in our area doesn't change.
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 Man, people think mtb'ing is elitist, where inclusiveness is a far-reaching, abstract concept..??..

These people have clearly never really attempted road biking at the "club" level (and by "club", I mean team because that's what clubs think they are). You haven't seen "elitist" until you've joined an "A-group" road ride.

The first time I showed up to a road race with un-shaved legs, and a saddle bag with my flat stuff, well, that was the last time I showed up to a race with unshaved legs and that saddle bag. Now mountain bikers laugh at my shaved legs, but little do they know, shaved legs actually do reduce your drag coefficient, making you faster... at least, that's what I keep telling myself.
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 Nailed it. And I would argue that road biking is much more mainstream than mtb.
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 The best part about elitists is seeing the look on their faces when they are thoroughly trounced in a race by some local scrub in cargo shorts and a clapped out Kona Dawg from 2003.
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 Team T-shirt ftw
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 Nastycanasta: Totally agree. The look on their faces provides the best post race entertainment. I saw a guy at a road bike race in Ottawa a few years ago wearing baggies, a cotton tee and using MTB clipless pedals on a cyclocross. Steel frame and MTB helmet with visor too. He crushed the field of elitist pricks. It was hilarious to see. Especially his oversized t-shirt flapping in the wind as has passed numerous riders clad in race gear from all the expensive elitist shops. He was a totally chill dude too. Didn't give off some you in your face vibe after podiums.
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 I'll admit it, I'm one of those new guys. I've been riding bikes as long as I can remember but only really got into single track, XC and some downhill last fall and into this summer. I've observed both sides of the spectrum, there are those elitist guys who scoff at my hard tail that doesn't have 200 mm of travel, but then there have been those guys on the trail that taught me how to use tire levers and a patch kit after I blew my back tube out. That same crew of guys then showed me a hidden trail I never would have found so it definitely goes both ways. I love the sport, I'm an adrenaline junkie, I've been snowboarding for 16 years and have been that elitist rider on the mountain in the park wondering why a kid is trying to hit a jump with no speed. Mountain biking has really brought me back to being that new guy who knows almost nothing and is throwing himself down trails I'm probably not ready for because its fun as hell and I love it. Its a tough community to move into though, I've been reading reviews of bikes shaking my head wondering what all these dimensions mean and still trying to learn how the hell I true a wheel. Hopefully the community will continue to open up as I've seen it do and help me learn these things so I can become a better rider and help someone else along the way.
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 I'm the same with skiing mate. I've been riding and building trails for 20 years and will happily chat to anybody but there is the old "all the kit, don't know shit" people who are new to the sport, that's what I really hate. I really respect you sir. Get on your hard tail and thrash around. Don't just buy into it. It's not about what you ride or wear as long as your passionate about it. I tried skiing for the first time in my life at 33 last year. There was me in my hiking waterproofs on my rental skis falling off the lift at the top. But I didn't care. I wanted to get to the top as soon as possibly to try this new great thing. That first time feeling that we've all been chasing. Sadly even as someone whose quite dedicated to the sport, I know I'll never get that feeling again, I'm simply chasing it. Like the first time you swing on a rope, you get nervous and just do it, after that first time it's never the same. To summarise just do it because you love it, not because it's cool or mainstream. I'd like to add at least in the bike world you don't have everyone starring at you in a busy skiing place at lunch time. As a rider who spends the majority of my time riding and building on my own, the packed out cafeteria at skiing places was quite surreal.
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 Appreciate it man, and keep on with the skiing! Its tough to start but its so much fun once you get the hang of it, and keep rocking those hiking water proofs, they will probably be in style in a few years. I actually make an effort to help kids out I see trying to learn something in the park or on the mountain now, I remember being younger and having an older guy who was awesome in the park help me land my first 360, I was so pumped and I will always remember it so I try and help out kids when I can cause I remember how much I appreciated it. On another note I know guys who rock flannel shirts and snowpants, have 5 year old boards and ride with little to no money and still kick my ass! I will say that the small community makes it a little harder as a beginner, at least with skiing you have lots of newbies falling around with you! Oh and snow hurts a lot less than rocks. But I will keep on keeping on with my hardtail, its to much fun not to!
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 I've noticed this the last couple of years. Trails are getting dumbed down, DH is getting ignored as there is more masses following the XC train and bikes shops charging a premium for your look. Troy lee for example and the prices they charge. I am finding myself separating from the herd to do my own thing on my own trails.
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 Ambatt great article as usual. It is a huge disappointment to hear you have experienced such an unwelcoming community of riders. For me I have always found it very welcoming even to squids and new comers. Maybe its part of the aussie mentality we are roudy and loud sure, but we are usually very laid back and easy to get along with and we welcome most people. I suspect that this is a major contributor to the atmosphere of riding here in Australia, or maybe I am lucky in the community I live in. I however do know people of that kind you refer to, luckily for me there is much less of that around. I have noticed a bit more mountain biking on tv here in Australia too. Its been mostly trail and xc stuff which is probably the generalize idea that people think of when you mention MTB. All I know is its great to see and hopefully that exposure will eventually lead to specific disciplines like downhill getting some more exposure too.
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 MTB has been mainstream for decades, Mid-late ninties were the boom years, big money, big sponsors, big crowds all over the TV, around 2000 it went quiet as the sponsers backed out, granted it has had a bit of a boost in recent years, money seems to be coming back again, which is good to see but i dont think it will be long lived give it a few years and it will all go relatively quiet again.
I think it helps that society seems to be a lot more accepting of "fringe" sports these days(if that makes any sense?)
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 The first time mob boomed it was because advertisers thought it would be the next motocross. Our sport isn't motocross. This time I think that we are a little more mature. We talk about trail advocacy, the environment and proper training for youth. Maybe this time it won't 'boom and bust' the way roller blading did, because this time we are trying to make it more sustainable.
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 I'm all for more friendliness, inclusiveness, all-around good vibes. If you want to take a look at what we don't want to become, check out surfing in crowded places, like Hawaii or the California coast - complete freak show on the bad vibes. Around here (Bellingham, WA), I see a pretty wide open, friendly community. Yes, there are some shop dudes who can't be bothered - but we have five (yes, five!) "real" bike shops in this mid-sized town, and tons of trail days with oodles of locals and visitors participating in trail building. There are friendly nods on the trails, and the nice-people/douchebag ratio is pretty favorable. I'd way we're on our way. I hear the same thing about Hood River, OR (haven't ridden there yet, but am down there constantly to windsurf and will start bringing my bike). I saw the same thing in Squamish, BC, where locals were super helpful finding routes and the stoke was generally high.

I think what drives the dickishness (localism, elitism, etc.) is scarcity - people afraid they won't get to ride their trails anymore, or won't be able to enjoy their lines with too many riders. You add that fear into the mix, and what is normally a small (dickish) subset of the population all of a sudden becomes a problem that poisons the vibe. So I'm sure that on limited trail systems with large riding populations, this is a bigger issue. Around here, though, I see lots of locals actively recruiting non- or not-yet- riders to come join them at Galbraith, evangelizing their passion and sharing their stoke.
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 Ahhhhh, you're so right! Scarcity (or the perception thereof) drives so much in our society... Excellently put.
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 G-42 feel free to contact me for a ride on Galby sometime. I like your thought process. Smile
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 Never understood the 'lets make mtb as big as possible' idea. "So all my buddies can get involved!".
Really? Pretty sure there are lots of mountains and lots of bikes already, what's their excuse?... 'Sorry Dave, you look like you're having loads of fun, but gimme a shout when it's in volvo adverts'. I agree with the lad at the top, those people who want mtb to be more mainstream are really asking for trouble. Has anything broken into 'mainstream' and not been damaged accordingly?
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 I agree...whether the sport grows or not, I'm going to be riding the same. Newcomers? Great! But as far as the media and general population knowing a lot about us? Couldn't care less. I just love to ride bikes.
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 Ambatt and I come from a place that is very clicky in culture as it is, the last thing that is truly needed is even more clicks! especially amongst pibber drinking loam bros… Yes I just said that.

One thing that I think is absurd about all these guys getting all territorial about their uber secret trails potentially getting poached is, YOU ARE ALREADY ON LAND ILLEGALLY hahaha. Something that I have noticed over my biking life(I'm 32 been riding since I can remember and racing bmx since I was Cool coming from a BMX back ground, is despite BMX being very very mainstream in almost all of its facets outside of flat land (and the one that doesn't need any secret spot) is regardless of how much the sport (BMX) has blown up (X-games, Olympics, vans triple crown to name a very small number of world wide events, plus multiple video games) there are still secret trail spots for the "under ground" uber hardcore trail builder/ rider (i.e. no dig no ride tough guy) These spots also have the general knowledge that you kinda have to get in invite to be there.
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 Side note on the bmx thing. The DJ mantra is 'no dig. no ride.' It seems the prevailing trail riding model is more of a 'ride. no dig.' The former may seem less inviting to an outsider, but promotes ownership, some equity of investment among riders, and just gets some impressive things built. My local DJ spot is a thing of beauty- a work of art.

Growing ridership on trail systems worldwide doesn't even require mainstreaming. It simply requires a more obvious and natural pathway from bmx into trail riding. The riders are there. They simply move into other things(motos?), or leave the sport altogether as they age. Some will wander back later in life, but the majority will not. An evolution in trail design, away from pure XC(whatever that means) into a style with more transitions and jumps(can be optional), could go a long way toward promoting that transition from street/dj into trails.

I live in the city that produced John Tomac, and we have a tiny, low key LBS, and a healthy, albeit somewhat underground bmx scene. The local trail system and mtb scene is rather weak, with few riders, underdeveloped trails, and very little cross-pollination between the two. I work with former riders who rode with the legend, but they are overweight and out of shape, and haven't touched a bike in years. The opportunity is/was there for a great local trail system and a healthy ridership, but as of yet, it has been unrealized.
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 Right on, ambatt, your best piece IMO. My biggest annoyance is people shunning newbies or people with crap bikes, or people claiming that all these new people are gonna come in and buff out the trails or get things closed down. If you take the time with new riders to help them get better quicker, they will learn to like (or at least appreciate) the more technical/difficult trails you love. Illegal spots get blown up or (if you're lucky) legitimized, and then you find places to build more. It's the circle of life. You do a disservice to the sport when you're a dick to a new rider, because you may still be the most 'core' fish in the pond, but you've lost a potential advocate for the sport. I've gotten a few people into the sport, helped them pick out beginner bikes, taken them on rides, and given them pointers on bike handling. Guess what? They upgraded their bikes, learned to ride harder terrain, and started helping with maintenance. Luckily our scene is kinda friendly like that (usually).

I do see the flipside though. When I ride back home in Boulder it's CROWDED. But you can choose to see it as a problem with the number of riders and be a dick to people, or you can look at it as an advocacy problem, get together with people, and try to get those hiking/horse/whatever trails opened up to riders. I guess both views have their validity, but I'd rather have the one where we aren't dicks.
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 Why is everyone worried about people taking over? Its not cheap to buy a bike, its not cheap to travel, it takes a lot of time to get somewhere to ride. It will never be a sport that gets a huge outbreak because of those factors. People still don't understand the concept of a bicycle being so expensive it just doesn't equate and will hold a lot of people back. However it will get more people interested in spectating and talking about the sport, which in theory gets the right people interested in joining us for some fun.
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 So well said!
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 Reading these comments really discourages me, and proves your point. But then again many riders are out riding and couldn't bother being online as a pinkbike keyboard warrior. Nice meeting you at Rampage 2012 I believe it was.
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 Ahhh, so true! Being a keyboard warrior (or perpetual neg propper) is time consuming -- I'm an internet flake, for sure. Emails, Pinkbike, Facebook and any other crap al take second place to riding. Wink Come to think of it... That may be my problem with boyfriends, too. Hmmmm. Wink

And it was awesome to meet you, too! It's always a highlight to meet someone so passionate about this! Smile
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 Get a win today! And being single and riding is always easier lol.
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 I want it to be mainstream so that I don't have to explain why I find this sport so goddamn a amazing to my non-rider friends
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 maybe its a scottish thing but I've not seen any of this at the trail centres I go to or my local trails. Maybe it does happen but these people are cunts and I'd not want to know them.
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 I think it all depends on where you live. If you are in an area where mountain biking is huge like Amanda (Utah correct?) I can see how this could go down. I live in an area where mountain biking is not as popular and when I started a few years ago, people could not have been nicer. Guys in the local shop helped we out in getting the right gear, showed me places to ride etc. People at the local bike parks were the same. Always (except of the inevitable dbag here and there) willing to help you out, show you the line through a tough section etc.
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flag mcjump (Jul 11, 2014 at 12:56) (Below Threshold)
 "the line through the tough section" this is why the sport is is becoming " pussyised" the sport is about progression,go bike or go home, excuse my dbag attitude but its true...
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 I'm not really sure what you are talking about? Every section has a way through does it not?
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flag mcjump (Jul 11, 2014 at 13:30) (Below Threshold)
 but theres no fun in being showed how to do something ,its all about doing it your self and learning from your mistakes
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 Well often times "mistakes" can be very painful and lead to time off the bike. If that's how you want to learn, by beating yourself up, thats your choice. I personally am not above taking a few pointers from a more experienced rider if I'm having trouble.
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 I think mcjump is the kind of guy she's talking about...
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flag mcjump (Jul 11, 2014 at 16:11) (Below Threshold)
 i agree im a little fuck when it comes to trails i despise anyone i come across on our local that i dont know, considering im a builder of the trails its not like im just showing up to trails and being a cunt
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 Nice article, I'm very conflicted about the whole thing. It's hard to know when you're in the sweet spot sometimes. Are we better off now or will we be when posters of mtn bikers hanging above soda machines at the gas station and grandma tells you about the massive huck she saw on tv.

Seems attitude will always be there. From your local skate shop, surf break or trail. I gota say that most cats/kittens I've met on the trail have been cool. Parks feel different but it's hard to tell sometimes because I think I project a ton of insecurties. Most of my best moments are are spent in the forest with friends or alone. I guess people can be cool, be a positive embassador or be a jackass. My feeling is you are who you are off the trail as you are on.

It's an industry and we need it to ride. There's a lot of room for improvement. Hell yeah I hope it gets better. So much great potential here. At the minimum if I can get out there I'll be happy. Not a racer but always seeking that sweet rush and being out in the forest. I think my heart will always race when I see a bike on the back of a truck/car and wonder, there are they going?
I don't think we need a secrete society or global domination but I'll be down to give the old chin wave to a fellow rider and say what's up, how's it going?

Thanks Amanda, I think it's important to ask ourselves these kind of questions. It's a real head trip. If you been around long enough to see enough change it's really easy to not realize when you had it really good.
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 Yeah…great article Amanda. However, you just called yourself out. You are included in the group that appears to be "too cool"…Especially when it comes to returning emails, or phone calls… Perhaps I would start there. That might make some people feel more comfortable about being new in the sport or local area, as well as creating events.
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 Unfortunately, I'm not 'too cool'. I never have been, nor will I ever be. I do, however, get swamped and need reminders (often)... Just like any regular human. I'd love to chat if you want to give it a second chance...
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 Are people out there hazing noobs? Vancouver is one of the gnarliest places in the world to ride a bike so anyone who's willing to be a noob here gets full respect.

There are more beginner/intermediate trails than ever before and consequently tons of new riders. And that's awesome. More people are out riding. More people are coming to trail days and joining trail advocacy groups. More people are enriching my favourite local businesses.

People are as friendly as they've ever been and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with experience or skill level. I always offer to help people trailside. Every time I've been stopped on the side of the trail in recent memory someone has asked me if I was ok and did I have everything I need?
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 Big shout out the riders of the Vancouver. I spent a summer on the shore and met the coolest people in the world. I never rode down Frome alone, there was always someone on the climb that would be up for a chat and then show me a new line or local only trail. In fact I recently returned to Canada for the BC Bike Race and spent ten days sleeping on the couch of one of those cool riders. We both ended up finishing the race and having the best time ever. Mountain bikers are awesome people.
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 As someone who works in the mountain bike industry making cycling more accessible to people is the main goal. Bike parks are designed and built to attract both new and experienced riders by offering a wider variety of features for every skill level. I also teach kids how to ride DH here in Whistler and I absolutely love getting kids stoked on riding and getting them in the park.
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 The kids programs at Whistler Bike Park are fantastic. I've had my 8 yo take it and he loved it. You instructors do a very good job getting the groms stoked!
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 "Looking at any oft-beloved mainstream sport, the strongest characteristic of that sport's success is how much it's fans and athletes feel part of it"....

....I think it's less FEELING a part of the sport, and more BEING a part of the sport that is important and integral here.....

I think we are forgetting that to "make it" in ANY sport, you need countless hours of practice - developing and fine-tuning your mountain biking skills. Buying a sick bike and wearing a TLD jersey does not make you a mountain biker (it may, however, make you FEEL a part of the sport PS. EXACTLY how clothing and gear companies WANT you to feel); its the hours upon hours of sweat, laughs, bruises, and hard work (which in this sport, happens to be fun hard workSmile ), that make you a true mountain biker. .......Inclusion into the sport comes simply from how much time you spend on the hill ... if you are on the hill and in trails, you're included ...... it's a natural process.

Also on the topic of friendliness in the trails ...If someone isn't really chatty on the chairlift in the park, maybe they just aren't a really chatty person? No not everyone strikes up a conversation with me on the trails, nor do I to everyone, just like I don't strike up a conversation with every single person on the street....

If someone is lost, or needs help with their bike, or looks stuck on a trail I do stop to help. I've had several occasions where I got a flat, or my chain broke, and someone always helped me within minutes ..... It boils down to the integrity and character of a person or group of people, disconnected entirely from how mainstream and accessible the sport is or is not.

Whereas I cannot relate to the exclusion that this article brings up, what I do appreciate about the article, is that it is a good reminder to KEEP smiling on the trails Smile
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 I've not witnessed the snobbery or unfriendliness you describe in Mountain Biking. I have seen it in surfing. I would guess the unfriendliness is more common on advanced trails at bike parks than anywhere else, because of the same reason as surfing - "you messed up my flow and you haven't earned your place." I have seen nothing but helpfulness to all riders no matter how skilled, equipped or how they are dressed on my local XC trails in Colorado and So Cal.

I don't celebrate commercialization or making it mainstream. Let people find the sport through their own curiosity, adventure, circle of friends or whatever. Your premise that "if you didn't invent the sport, you have no right to protect it" is a bit misguided. We should all protect the image of our sport - and that means not being a dickwad. On that, we agree.
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 Well said!

If someone is a dickwad on the trail, they are most likely a dickwad in other areas of their life too ..... making the sport more "mainstream" won't help solve the dickwad dilemna ... that's a personal character thing. In fact I would argue making the sport more mainstream would bring more dickwads into the sport because you'll always get people with big egos and too much money who think dressing the part is the same as being the part ...... who "want to look like the cool guy in that commercial"...
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 You should come race some UK 4X, THE most inclusive and friendliest genre of cycling I've ever known!
Apart from when the gate drops... Then it's all death or glory..... To the finish line, then it's hugs an high fives all round Smile
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 Not that anyone will read anything this far down...

I enjoyed the post. Responding as an American (for that has cultural implications), a teacher and observer of people, I don't know that mountain biking will ever be more 'mainstream' than it is. First off, mountain biking requires both a level of skill and a level of fitness that I'm not sure the masses (in the USA) will ever aspire to. While fantasy football is huge, there is little that is more exclusive than pro sport. Looking at the number of young people who start playing a sport with dreams of becoming recognized for their abilities, and the number who actually become famous (athletes, singers, etc) is miniscule. Most seem to dabble for a few seasons and carry that passion throughout life as fans of the sport... not as actual participants, which, I would argue is not what any here want to become.

There are sports that garner huge fan bases at specific times here in the US, gymnastics, swimming and figure skating during the Olympics; Soccer during the World Cup in addition to the big 4 pro leagues, namely Football, Baseball, Basketball and Hockey. (I guess there are some who like to watch cars go fast and turn left, but that is beyond my ability to comprehend.) The point I make is that while the fan bases and ticket sales for these are huge, the number of people who actively engage in the sports is pretty small. In contrast, I think many of those who love mountain biking do, with some regularity, put foot to pedal and tire to dirt. That population will never be as main stream as 'spectator sports'. I kind of like that I am a member of a community that actually does the sport we love.
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 ... too long to fit in one posting... Harkening back to WAKI's first comment, riding a mountain bike is like a calling. When you hear it and respond, become a convert, the experience is, dare I say spiritual. Not all who've had a spiritual awakening are able to translate that in a meaningful way to others. Not all enlightened yogis are able to share their experiences like Siddhartha Gautama, or Shaums March or Joan Jones. I'm grateful for their examples and strive to follow their examples of bringing others into the sport through teaching skills and presenting a welcoming presence.
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 "Mountain Biking" has got it pretty good right now, IMHO... Crazy technology, the best bikes that have ever been created and ridden, expanding trail access and a crazy (growing) number of bike parks.

Maybe "mainstream" is not the best thing for it...

Vibe - as described in the article, exists in all walks of all outdoor activities, its not unique to cycling or mountain biking. Maybe the author is different, but when I see someone struggling with their equipment on a trail, or if they appear lost - I do my best to try to help them. Most of the people I ride with would do the same. Often times, these noobs are invited to come on a ride... Maybe the author and her friends are different. However I find it hard to believe that the majority of riders or shop employees would go out of their way to give others a hard time in such a circumstance.

"cycling in general is one of the top three worst industries to be 'the new guy' " - got a link to ANY proof regarding that?

That the author is easily intimidated (and just generally afraid of things) by others is on her. Not everybody is so fearful of the unknown. There's a lot of "We" getting thrown around here that does not necessarily apply to the majority of riders
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 Continued:

I'm guessing/hoping the author's personal experiences of being scared and needing acceptance are not an accurate reflection of the total mountain bike community. Again, a bit of elitism, "vibing" (really? vibing?) or hazing... all that - are part and parcel in many activities. Not saying it makes it the right way to act, but at the same time, I doubt those attitudes are as rampant as alluded to in the article.

I for one, don't necessarily believe that mountain biking needs to be MORE mainstream, but I also believe it has been mainstream for quite some time. Once an item or product hits walmart in some form, you may as well accept the fact that it's mainstream. And they've been selling their idea of what mountain bikes are for quite a long time.

With the advent of "flow" trails and rampant trail sanitization catering to the lowest common denominator, I'd say noobs have it better now than ever. The article has some nice ideas, but I think it makes a poor judgement on the current atmosphere of the mountain biking community. /rant. Wink
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 Let MTB become mainstream, let the newbies buy hundreds, thousands, of new, shiny bikes. Soon they'll realize this sport isn't as easy as it looks. They'll crash, sunburn, exhaust and feel pain in places they didn't even knew could hurt. And then they'll quit... Leaving behind mint condition, barely ridden bikes, apparel and parts for us. MTB, as any activity that takes you out of your comfort zone, is not for everyone.
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 The article is very neat and all, but all the affirmations so boldly made on the beginning have not been supported by a single point, nor by ANY citation but your own opinion. No facts, no sources, nothing...

And although sharing the sport as you idealize does seem awesome, it is not what really happens. Mountain biking has grown a lot around here (mainly XC riding) and I have not seen a single advantage to it. I ride mostly DH, but I do have a XC bike to train, and with the recent flood of new riders the only changes I've seen are a lot of bikes crumbling our dirt roads and more people aware of how expensive a bike can be, witch caused an increase in the number of stolen bikes.

I am not saying no one should enter mountain biking, but getting the sport mainstream won't make it better. The way I see it, mountain biking is a different sport than most, like sailing or soaring, both rather elitist sports and WAY more expensive. These sports are not mainstream (even with Volvo Ocean Racing running strong for years), and are still very enjoyable.
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 Also "doing your homework" does not make everyone else dumb as a box of rocks because they learned from experience, just because some people can explain theory does not mean they know what they F they are talking about. Good article Amanda, and while some people just deserve to be treated like an idiot (because they have proved they are) the intimidation factor surrounding recreational riding could be toned way down
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 I love riding with new guys. Seeing the look on the face of a first time guy, who did not want a helmet, is priceless. Plus, seeing a grown man cry...and to top of a great day, I continued my relentless pursuit. Now I have a small Army.
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 This may have already been said but...

I am fine with mountain biking becoming more popular and teaching new riders how to ride because we have all been new before. The problem i see is getting too many people that just "dont get it." These people are the people that complain about the trails being "too hard" and saying that they need to be toned down. Sadly i have seen it where you get enough of these people complain and legally built black/double black diamond trails get turned into blue/green trails. You can even look at the GLC in Whistler, it got smaller this year.

Then there are the peoplr that also "dont get it" that take their hardtails from 1998 with 2 inch wide bars down a-line and have to pedal up the takeoffs to jumps like they are hills because they are going so slow aaand they refuse to pull over and let you pass because "beginners have right of way."

Then there are the people on rentals that cant clear any of the jumps on a-line so when they take their rental back they complain that a-line is too rough when really it isnt as long as you make the transitions.

So in conclusion, beginners are fine and growth can benifit mountain biking but it could also make it too "user friendly" where a-line is just a gravel road.

Rant over.
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 i think it is pretty simple really. as with anything, you can attract people with qualities you display but you keep em by qualities you actually possess. mainstream mtb? tbd by quality individual efforts.
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 Agreed.
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 Good article... I've experienced that elitist bullshit attitude. And it stinks...
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 The first time I saw people at my local DH (I usually never run into people because I ride at odd hours of the day),
they literally refused that I ride the track because I didn't have a bike with dual crown forks.
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF Madder
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 Its funny cause the guys running Freeride hardtails in my area are actually faster than most people on full suspension downhill bikes riding on the same trail.
  • 2 1
 More people riding will never equal cheaper parts at best it will equal more brands making low quality parts. It can equal more money for pros and their sponsors neither of which puts money in my pocket or equates to why I ride. I saw snowboarding go from being a pariah to a savior, and just like punk music its better when its small. Cliques are just a part of it and if it has an effect on why you ride you ride for the wrong reasons any way....
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 Excellent opinion piece ambatt.Got a fairly coherent conversation going. And remind me not to piss you off.
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 When I started riding 2 years ago I thought my schwin hardtail was a downhill bike.
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 There are a lot of fully rigid riders in my area, which is fine cause they are fast and are not scared of technical features. I myself am a newbie with a sporting goods 35 pound hardtail, but I love it, and I've made lots of friends with bikes easily 3 x as expensive.
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 Great piece... from another squid who just started dh biking 2 years ago. Smile Luckily there are lots of ladies around here getting into the sport too and buddies whom ive helped teach how to snowmobile who help in return with dh. It takes effort to be an a*shole, being kind is easy. When was the last time that helping someone out didn't leave you with a warm fuzzy feeling? I love the comraderie in this sport but there are definitely a few guys around here who think a line is theirs exclusively, but we were all new to the sport at one time, however long ago that may be.
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 I completely disagree about MTB being more elitist than most sports. 90% of people I meet on the trail are out for a good time, and correspond with each other that way. I think it's more about beginners being bashful and trying to avoid looking out of place than it is about the established scene "brow-beating" the green folk.

Almost everyone I know are supportive of new people trying to join (read: strengthen) the sport.
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 As much as I want to be the only rider when I'm up on Crest, or want no lift lines at The Canyons, I agree with everything you're saying. Building the biking community is fun, and creates more friends, and that alone is worth it. It's one of the reasons I started doing some of the local Salt Lake XC races. Just to meet new people. Now it's more fun introducing friends, or others, to biking.
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 Those of you who are the rare few, who will spend thousands of hours, you are less than the 10% who will do this but it takes the other 90% to experience your labor of love so that they can expose their friends who of one of them might be the next 10% who will do this for others too! I know you do not do it for others and it hurts to see your hard work messed with, but really you are spreading the love whether you like it or not. EMBRACE IT or, go buy your own land./

The reality of the matter to going mainstream is, the more people who are involved and welcomed with open arms, means only good things for the rest of us. If the demand for a rad DH bike was 10% of that it is right now, do you think we would have so many rad carbon bikes and parts?! we would still be riding 24" x 3.0 wheel sets on 60lb bikes... Do you think that our sport would have evolved with the bike tech that it has?! Hell we would be very lucky to have a half a dozen lift assisted mountains in the whole country! It is DEMAND that generates this! That means LOTS OF PEOPLE have to be involved! The more who are, the cooler things get for the rest of us!
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 The issue is that a lot of people are getting into this sport (and any other "action" sport) for no good reasons. Same goes for people who are already riding, not all of them have clear intentions when they take new people in. There is vanity, hero complex, minority complex and many more, why do we ride in the first place? There is this commercialy driven trend in collective consciousness: express yourself, break borders, travel, jump, fly! But it is rotten because it just tells you to go out and try something and that means spending money, activating cash flow. So a bloke sits in front of TV, bored of his everyday life and he gets injected with pictures of the best in the sport doing their thing. The gigantic gap between their bag of skills and commitment and him is a story never told. Buy a bike, they said, you will fly like this bloke in Volvo commercial, who you will alter on learn is called Steve Peat. By the way, buy a Volvo, you will feel more mountain bikey. And so the televised men and women pick up the challenge and start practicing this exciting sport in hope thier life will be less grey. They do not know yet, that they cannot run away. They will either make this home, and evenings more colorful or they will spend tons of cash and just make their life more complicated. There is no escaping from that - one must make his everyday life work, off the bike. Bike is just a tool, and one must know how to use it to be more fulfilled.

Hence I am not going to go around and spread the love of stoke and welcome everyne with open arms, just as every host expects his guests to behave according to fundamental manners, when he invites them to his home. Especially that nature is not mine, or anyone elses home. Posers, social media whores looking for love and acceptance by posting Strava segment or squared pictured, are not welcomed on the mountain before they fix their own lives.
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 Wow, Waki, that was damn near profound. Wow.
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 Wanted to say that my comment was not sarcasm, and your points are awesome!
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 HI, take it easy, it's not like I wrote a work of my life, I fart like that all the time hehe Big Grin
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 Haha well I must say, that episode of flatulence really resonates with me!
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 WAKI you are a savant(albeit idiot haha), seriously though you nailed it! Lets not overlook one very nice side affect of these people you describe just look at how many near new bikes and gear are for sale in the buy/sell ads for great prices....
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 I liked the comparison to inviting one into your home, as I would just invite anyone I meet on the street......it's very much the same thing.
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 @WAKI so you get to be the arbiter and 'host' of mtb because you've apparently got your personal life 100% straightened out? That's a requirement for riding a f*cking bike? Your points are true for LITERALLY EVERY CONSUMER PRODUCT OR ACTIVITY. Be it bikes, kitchen utensils, cars, computers, or nail polish, they're all sold to people in the same way you're talking about. You're just another dude with a consumer product that you happen to gravitate towards. You're just lucky enough to have found a way to get some meaningful experiences from your material obsession, and you got into it before it was in a Volvo commercial. What a marvelous achievement!

Just for a moment substitute the concept of mtb in your tirade with that of soccer/football, or collecting sneakers, or photography, or baking. You can literally make all the same arguments if you want to. They're just hobbies. Think about what a ridiculous thing that is. Some people here need to chill out and realize that while mtb might be a magical meditative zen journey of self discovery and harmony for you, some people just want to put their ass in the saddle for a few hours and mess around. "Making your everyday life work" has nothing to do with it. Everyone's reasons are different...and unless you own the land the trail is on, you have no more right to the trail or the sport than anyone else.
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 I did not say, you should do this and that before you try biking. I said that if you don't then elitists will not see you as welcomed hehehe Smile while buying bike parts is a hobby for me, then riding the bike isn't. It is my way to stay sane and healthy. Please don't explain marketing and psychology to me Smile
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 Ah and please don't compare MTB to football, because the product that an average football fan gravitates to is beer, ahahaha. Active waste of rare resources vs passive masturbation, satisfying your needs by watching loaded boys kicking the ball. The only thing that makes a football fan think it is worth watching is millions of other loosers like him. Very few persons are dumb, most people are. Elitist!
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 I have the luxury to be able to say that I got into mtb before I saw a single bike magazine, a single picture of a bloke doing a cool thing. Oh you stepped on my winky.
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 This whole article made me feel gross - why is this girl watching so many commercials? why the fk is she watching TV period? First paragraph and you've already undermined yourself, Bikes and basically made the statement that your happy to be part of the problem on this planet not the solution. Advertisments are disgusting mindf*ck propaganda. Not to mention a CHEVRON commercial?! collectively as a cycling communtiy we SHOULD BE UP IN ARMS ABOUT THIS! not to say i'll ever turn a TV on to go check it out....and your excited about that? Amanda I dont know you but seriously just ride for fun and stop writing nonsense.
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 to elaborate a little more..if you honestly think MTB needs big money to determine its direction and make us all happy and wealthy then your drinking from the wrong fountain. Im just especially pissed that a girl is stoked that MTB was used in commercials and that signifies something? it signifies a bunch of corportate big wigs got some marketing feedback and figured it was a good summer to use a particular 'xtreme' sport to make money off. for themselves. CHASE fuking bank?! are you kidding me?! womens deoderant? girls dont need to put toxic shit under their arms. they smell great. We dont need to be told anything. turn off the death box dude
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 Welp, waiting in an airport having just finished my current read and having some thoughts, I figured I'd write them down.

The first paragraph also leads into the third, where I state "I'm not popping open the champagne just yet..." and then elaborate on why. I'm sorry you feel so negatively about TV watching and how I spend my free time, but thanks for the honest feedback.
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 yeah a little too honest sorry I was running a little hot when I wrote it. I just do have a real problem with Corporate money and interests. Banks and oil companies are evil and sit in complete opposition to bike riding as far as im concerned. I feel like thats the mainsteam using/abusing us in a way. im sorry that MTB doesn't feel inclusive for everyone yet. It should. but those that want it will get it..because they want it..because they need the feelings it gives them and once they have a good ride on a trail, theyre never ever gona let that feeling go. other than that your writing is great and you shred. keep it up
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 Are you for some reason under the impression that there is no corporate element to the mountain bike industry? I agree banks and oil companies in particular do some shitty things these days, but they are both industries that play a vital role in the world we live in. The cars we drive, the computers we use to look at bike parts, the lights in our homes etc are all powered by natural resources. Same goes for banks. If not for banks who would provide mortgages and car loans? Who would people invest their money with? You think the mountain bike industry doesn't relay on banks and the capital/cash flow they can provide? Like I said, many banks and oil companies have done some irresponsible things recently, but you can't get rid of them, they are critical to the world we live in.
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 I choose to believe we can get rid of them. My home is not powered by unsustainable resources. I choose to boycott anything i feel like. whether its 'necessary' or not. were all entitled to our opinions. Im not under any illusions. saying banks and big oil have done some irresponsible things recently is a major understatement as far as i'm concerned.
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 I hope we get more mainstream as long as the right people are in front/behind the marketing campaigns. Ie., xgames/dh on snow debacle.

Thank God for private oil keeping our boys employed(north dakota/texas), and the volvo running, so we can chase some cash and spend some secret time with the lady friend.
  • 2 0
 Did you really just thank god for private oil companies? Seriously?
#straight2hell4you
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 Swallow that propaganda bud. How would we survive without big oil firms and criminal private banking cartels? We'd be f*cking marvelous. Ten times better off.
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 That was some long winded blah blah blah, insert self promotion, blah blah blah, more self promotion, blah blah blah. Do you think I am cool yet? Blah!!
Everything is hard when you start out. It's called life. That's why it's special when someone decides to show you the ropes!
Can't believe PinkBike is publishing this for you! Can think of better ways to spend my time, than reading essays on what Amanda Batty thinks has gone wrong in her life only, haha, and needs to pyscho analyze it.
Everyone has those experiences, and most of us have great first time rides and meetings! C'est la vie, if it's not, so deal with it!
Insert more ABatt self promotion here so she can stay in the 'cool' category!!
Will not be reading bitches brew again. Come on PinkBike pull your socks up!!
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 popular/inclusive/accessible = cheap (read: affordable)

mountain biking will never be cheap, therefore...
  • 7 2
 Hmm...pot meet kettle...
  • 4 1
 Interesting comment. Not sure where it's coming from but I hope that if we've ever met, I've displayed the same enthusiasm I greet everyone with. If we haven't, and we met under different circumstances where I was less than gracious or welcoming, I'm truly sorry about that!
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 Thanks for the reply--and thanks for acknowledging that you don't remember meeting me. You were chatting up a friend of mine, and when she tried to introduce us--you ignored the intro--you continued to exclude me from the conversation. (Hence the pot calling the kettle black comment.) And now you know where the comment is coming from. Sorry to call you out on it in a public forum, but thank you for finally acknowledging me. I can finally sleep again...haha...!
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 To be honest, that's a tough situation. I'm sorry that you felt ignored, and I'm very sorry that you felt excluded... That's never my intention, even when I'm deeply absorbed in a conversation (which happens more than I'd like -- singleminded focus can be a problem socially. Wink ).
  • 1 1
 To be honest, I don't think it's a tough situation. You approached my friend, chatted her up & ignored me. Since I like myself enough for the both of us, I didn't care. Yes, that's it, you must've been deeply absorbed in telling your tales. So much so that when my friend tried to include me in the conversation you said something like, "Yeah, I know her." Didn't look at me, didn't say hi. W'e never met. Like I said, I like myself enough for the both of us, so I let it go. It just seemed hypocritical--based on my one experience with you--to see this article with you condemning the same actions I witnessed you commit. Regardless, I hatin' on you, but just pointin' out a different perspective. Anyway, I hope you have a kick-ass season!
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 That's odd, to say the very least... Because that's not like me even a little bit. If we never met, I wouldn't have said I know you, nor would I have dismissed you so rudely. Also? The article isn't about specific social situations, it's simply a general call to a more inclusive atmosphere, but if you'd like to get specific, I'm very curious as to when and where all of this went down... Because it sounds as though you're more deeply disturbed about it than you'd care to admit. If you would like a specific apology from me, I can't give you one -- I haven't the faintest recollection of this situation ever taking place. I will, however, apologize AGAIN for making you feel unwelcomed or ignored. That's never my intention, not even when I'm being berated over the internet in a public forum about being a jerk. Feel free to private message me if you'd like to pursue this further.
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 Yeah, I"ve been stewing for MONTHS, for MONTHS, I tell ya! Yeah, thanks for the no apology. And good luck in life, chica!
  • 1 1
 Dude, I apologized multiple times. Again, I'm sorry for being a dick. But stick, meet dead horse. You still haven't even given me specifics about when it happened? How on earth am I supposed to feel anything but frustrated when all you keep saying is that I was rude, but won't give me details? I've apologized to the best of my ability.
  • 4 0
 Less humans, more bikes and trails.
  • 4 0
 I'm taking up knitting now before it goes mainstream!
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 @rob that's freaking brilliant! Haha
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 It was covered in the book Microtrends, released some time ago. Pretty interesting read, the author nailed a bunch of trends that came true.
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 If people think MTB is elitist they should look at world champ level road cycling
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 fox13now.com/2013/06/30/video-fox-13-weathermans-80s-commercial

I respectfully disagree that MTB is an emerging sport, or more mainstream than it was in the late 80s-mid90s.
  • 1 0
 1. Mountain Dew w/guys hucking their hardtails.
2. Jolly Rancher
3. Huffy - what's more mainstream than Huffy?
4. Juicy Fruit - is that John Tomac?
  • 1 0
 Well, look at snowboarding: I'm certain it benefitted greatly from its transition into the mainstream. I can certainly see the same effect happening with mountain biking in the next decade.
  • 3 0
 Hopefully mtbing can turn into amusement parks for the people with enough money to afford it just like snobording and skiing is now overcrowded places of mass gapperdom with clueless people everywhere who well stop coming as soon as it's not cool
  • 1 0
 Well, I believe that's going to happen whether we like it or not, b/c what you just said is an exact repetition of what snowboarders said a couple decades ago when the sport was becoming mainstream. At least they'll stay off the black diamond trails, right?
  • 1 0
 That's the problem they all flock to the black diamonds then traverse them because they can't make turns and then the slope gets ruined for the people that have the skills to get down it. All I'm saying is if you don't want to get yelled at stay at and just above your ability it's good to push yourself but be real in your assessment of you abilities
  • 2 0
 It's official,

I was watching ghostbusters and then the ads came on...

youtu.be/v70zd21Li2M
  • 6 2
 killin it as always.
  • 4 0
 kayaking as well
  • 1 0
 Anyone new to Mt.Biking today got it soo good! Enduro Parts, FlowTrails...got forbid the trails become dusty, rooty, rocky or muddy!
  • 3 1
 go ambatt go... another thought provoking piece :-)

this sprung to mind:
attitude not aptitude determines altitude
  • 1 1
 I LOVE that saying... So much! Attitude will take us everywhere. Wink
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 all of us as a group dont want the sport to be mainstream as we love the vibes and the people around us and we dont want that to change but in reality the sport will become mainstream and it will be successful
  • 2 1
 You truly understand how things should operate could not have said it any better passionate legend.
  • 1 0
 What does "mainstream" mean? How will we know when we get there?
  • 3 1
 gapers keep out
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 just HTFU and keep riding. No lollipops here
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 Want Ambatt father me children...
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 SAVE US JESUS







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