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An Update on Pinkbike & Beta MTB

Feb 17, 2022 at 22:15
by Brian Park  
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Mike Kazimer in Sedona. Photo by Anthony Smith.


By now you’ve seen us run some Beta articles on the Pinkbike homepage over the past few weeks, and I want to give everyone an update.

Pinkbike and Beta MTB are one team now. Pinkbike will stay pretty much the same, while Beta will focus on print, long-form stories, and features for members. Beta stories will be included on the homepage and take you out to the Beta site, but all the usual news, racing, reviews, comments, and community-submitted content will stay free on Pinkbike. If you don’t want to see Beta articles, there’s an option to hide them in your news settings.

We’ll be using the Beta membership model to work with more of the sport’s best writers, photographers, and filmmakers. We’ve been growing the team and are working with contributors like Eliot Jackson, Kate Courtney, Mike Rose, Rebecca Rusch, Andrew Neethling, Kristin Butcher, and many more. If you’re interested in supporting the great work they do, please consider subscribing. Beta membership is half off right now, which works out to under 7 cents per day.





Eliot Jackson. Photo by Heather Young.
Photo by Heather Young.
bigquotesI’ll be doing a little show on Beta this year. Stoked to do something fun, insightful, and different than a lot of the stuff I’ve seen!Eliot Jackson

bigquotesKaz and I actually have a long history of friendly rivalry. 20 years ago in college we worked at rival shops, and years later moved into similar roles at competing media outlets. After half our lifetimes, we’re finally on the same team!

Now that we have many of the world’s best tech editors under the same roof, we’re in a position to cover even more stories around gear for a net-gain to readers. I’m also looking forward to all the colorful comments about my footwear choices at the Field Test.
Ryan Palmer
Ryan Palmer. Photo by Anthony Smith.
Photo by Anthony Smith.

Blake Hansen. Photo by Sophia Lei.
Photo by Sophia Lei.
bigquotesAs a woman who wears many hats it feels like this model is going to give me the opportunity to tell some stories I wouldn't otherwise be able to.Blake Hansen

bigquotesExcited to be doing a regular column for Beta these days. In this new phase of my career I feel I've gained a lot of insights and stories from my years on the circuit and am still so passionate about racing. I'm grateful to have a platform like this to share them on.Andrew Neethling
Andrew Neethling. Photo by Ryan Franklin.
Photo by Ryan Franklin.





Why is Pinkbike changing at all?

We love the idea of working directly for the readers who support us. Some of our favorite media sites have moved to membership to decouple themselves from the perception of bias, and those changes have been largely positive.

We want to support more athletes and creators. People who sign up for Beta are helping fund projects like Pinkbike Academy, The Grim Donut, and Pinkbike Racing (though the series will be free on Pinkbike), as well as work from people like Anthony Smith, Mattias Fredriksson, Dan Milner, Justin Olsen, and many more. Hell, if people keep subscribing maybe Levy will finally move out of Karl’s basement.

But mostly, we want to get weird. We love sharing the biggest stories in mountain biking on Pinkbike, but sometimes there’s a hollowness to being driven by the tyranny of the majority—some of our favorite stories aren’t the ones that “succeed” from a numbers perspective. We’re excited to do more of them on Beta.

Ultimately we believe what we do has value. Mountain bike media is a tough game, and I want to provide for this team as it grows. If you can’t afford or don’t want to pay for membership, no worries! Pinkbike has great advertisers and partners that will allow us to keep making great free stuff too. But if you do like the content we do on Beta, we appreciate the support.







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Beta MTB magazine

Beta MTB magazine
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Anthony Smith
Beta's print magazine has 40 more pages in 2022 under the watchful eye of veteran photo director and Bike Mag alum Anthony Smith.



FAQ

• Will comments be paywalled? No.
• Will user submitted content on Pinkbike be paywalled? No.
• Are the Beta Tests going to be members-only? We’re merging the Beta Tests into the Field Test, so there will be a fourth Field Test now.
• Are the Field Tests going to be members-only? No, the reviews will be public but we might do the roundtable discussions for members.
• Aren’t you just going to move all your best stuff to Beta? My view is that most of our biggest and best stuff should be public. I’d rather use Beta to do stuff for the super engaged people who want more.
• What’s happening to the Beta team? Nicole, Palmer, Anthony, and Satchel are all on board and we’re hiring.
• Is the Pinkbike Racing x Cathro project going to be paywalled? Nope, the series will be free on Pinkbike. We’ll look to do some bonus stuff for members—eg. Henry wants to do a podcast from the road or something.
• Why can’t I comment on Beta articles? We’re working on getting comments for Beta articles.
• What’s happening with Beta Magazine? It’s getting bigger and better! We’ve added 40 pages, and we’re excited to do more with print.
• How do I get Beta Magazine? If you live in the USA, make sure you choose it as one of your perks when you sign up. If you live elsewhere, it’s not available yet in a hard copy but you can get the digital version here. We know that sucks and we’re working on it.



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Alicia testing fields in Pemberton. More Field Tests this year!
Fall Field Test Photo by Tom Richards
Mild discomfort for your entertainment.

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Cathro's ice cream budget must be maintained. Photo by Ross Bell
Pinkbike Field Trip 2021 Devinci Marshall
It's physically impossible for Sarah to not smile. Photo by Tom Richards.


Full disclosure, we’ve got a lot to learn about membership under the Outside umbrella. I don’t have all the answers, but as a group we love mountain biking and want to be part of something that adds to it. Fundamentally, Pinkbike and Beta exist to be on the pulse of the sport in service of mountain biking’s global community. We think this model is the best way to do that, and we hope you’ll give it a chance.

Please feel free to email me your feedback, brian.park[at]pinkbike.com. I’d appreciate it if you don’t take your concerns about Pinkbike's business decisions out on the editorial staff with jeremiads of personal attacks in the comments. They put a lot of themselves into the job and we genuinely want to do the best we can.

Cheers,
—Brian Park & the Pinkbike/Beta editorial team

PS. We've got a whole bunch of the team here for a few hours so if you have questions, put them in the comments and we'll do our best!

PPS. We just signed on to a huge new feature freeride film project, so stay tuned on that. In the meantime you can download the Outside TV App to watch a ton of videos (and we’re launching a new desktop viewer in the next few days too).


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Huckin' Henry keeping an eye on the comments section. Photo by Tom Richards.


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602 Comments
  • 920 7
 There are 2 things that mountain bikers hate.
1: Change
2: The way things are
Why does Pinkbike seem to be unable to accommodate this?
  • 8 1
 Hear, hear!!
  • 35 6
 Haha Smile

To be honest I get Pinkbike needs to stay alive as a business, but lately they're really pushing it. I hope they find a good way to integrate all this without us feeling like "we lost the real Pinkbike along the way". Like boost, you know, hated the change, but in the end, it worked out fine lol.
  • 68 2
 @p1nkbike: Considering the recent efforts at monetization since the merger between Beta and Pinkbike, I’ve decided to merge their names...I now refer to this site as Bankbike.
  • 488 32
 It's because no one is happy with having 'enough', they always want more. 40 miles of top singletrack just 20 minutes away from me? Nah, needs to be 60 miles worth, and I need an electric motor on my bike because I'm tight on time and I need to ride ALL of it. We're always being marketed to telling us that we need 'to grow the sport of mountain biking', but every single one of us hates crowded or blown out trails. How does one reconcile such blatant paradoxes in the sport? I've heard the argument 'but if there's more riders, there will be more trails'--true, to an extent. But if there's one thing they aren't making any more of, it's land.. and sorry, setting aside 100s of acres to ride around on our pedalmabobs in the woods is low on the list on land uses. Why? It doesn't make money. But don't worry, you'll soon have a crack at the Outside+ Nature Pass, which gets you guaranteed access to the trails nearest you. Sounds crazy, right? Then you realize there is already a lottery for tickets to access some parts of Wilderness in the western US..

Yet here we are, the anointed apostolate, tasked with spreading 'the message' to our friends and neighbors, because hey, gotta grow the sport, right? Just then, the Converted emerge from the workbenches in their garages, pedal wrench in hand, to join in the chant.. "Grow the sport. Grow the sport." they drone as you convince your neighbor he has no better use for the $4800 in his bank account... 'Meh, it's a good starting bike, but you'll have room for u p g r a d e s' you say, barely holding in an evil cackle, knowing what you are about to unleash. And as your neighbor, in a carbon-fiber-induced stupor, agrees to meet you at noon tomorrow at the newly built sales-direct-to-our-bottom-line 'Brand Experience' shop in the suburbs, you think to yourself 'I'm doing my part. I belong.' You pass your pal a cold IPA, and the chant echoing down the street changes.. 'One of us. One of us.'

Hats off to Brian Park for what came across as a very genuine explanation, it was well done and appreciated. However, the truth is it's about making money. Period. BP is tasked with sitting down at the keyboard and convincing the readers that it's 'for us'. (It's about making money. Period.) Oh hey, we are excited to bring you guys all these cool new features, and the merging of the teams is going to be so great for YOU, the reader, absolutely. (It's about making money. Period.) The truth is that Outside didn't buy Pinkbike out of the kindness of their hearts, or just because they love them some mountain biking and snarky comments. Outside bought PB to use it to make money. Sure, we are seeing some new features and content, but that's not done for love of the sport, lol.. those are investments in the brand. Grow the user base, and monitor the most clicked on or popular segments, then slowly migrate those behind the paywall. Nevermind that you already have 15 f*cking subscriptions a month, you don't want to have that FOMO do you? You want to see Levy doing donuts in the mini? It's just $4/mo bro.. and we'll make it automatically come out of your account so you don't even have to think about it. Just.. don't think about it. Their job is to convince us it's a good thing, that we can't afford to *not* be along on this pursuit of profits.

Sometimes things are good enough, and we don't realize it. Pinkbike was just fine before. No one here thought 'If only PB would be bought by a large conglomerate, it would be so much better for the readers!'. Well now PB is on the hook to prove their value as a property under the Outside umbrella, and that's fine, but just don't piss in our faces and tell us it's raining. The moves being made now aren't for the love of the sport or to break even, they are to produce profit for a parent corporation. It's about the money. Period.
  • 9 1
 @p1nkbike: 135 for life!
  • 29 19
 @WRCDH: yeah, how dare they try to stay solvent in a world where ad dollars are shrinking and people demand free content. I was stoked when Pocket snatched up the BikeMag crew to start Beta, and was happy to subscribe. Then Pocket bought Outside and rebranded, only to become the PinkBike bogey man. I hope they find a way to make it work. If you like something, maybe figure out a way to support it. Now, if I can figure out how to support Red Bull UCI World Cup broadcasts without drinking their product.
  • 22 1
 Kill Bike Mag. Now pay to read their articles.
  • 32 1
 @mikealive: Damn nice. I’ve wanted to rant something like that for some time but couldn’t but it into words. Agreed, soon it will be trails grid locked with people stairing at Trailforks trying to figure out how to get out of it!
  • 44 3
 @Krackity-Jones: They're not trying to stay solvent, they're trying to grow. Big difference.

@mikealive - Absolutely spot on, the desire to grow is inherently unsustainable, often unnecessary, and leads to change towards prioritising profit. Why success is measured in growth I have no idea, there has to be a ceiling at which point enough is enough, otherwise it's not sustainable (that's the critical issue with measuring the success of an economy by growth, which is something totally unsustainable and leads to exponential levels of consumption).
  • 6 0
 @VtVolk: You know how hard it was to find a new 26" 12x135 wheel for my Morpheus? Nearly impossible.
  • 5 10
flag Ghostifari (Feb 18, 2022 at 15:59) (Below Threshold)
 lots of advertisers are slowly pulling out of all Outside publications, beginning with PB.
  • 1 0
 @Maslin02: I feel your pain
  • 80 19
 @mikealive: Well written and you’re not wrong at all.

Progress always comes at a cost, and yet progress never stops. I’m sure someone in the 50’s said “that’s it, cars work as well as they should, there is no need for any further development” but we’re human, and we can’t help ourselves from wanting to take things a step further. Have you ever gotten on your bike, and thought “this is as talented and fit as I ever need to be, I’m going to stop riding any new trails or bikes, and ride the exact same loop without changing a thing” No, because you’re human. Love it or hate it, we just aren’t static creatures.

Is it all about money? Yah, but kind of a moot point. You live in a world where currency facilitates the trade of goods and services, so when you receive a good, someone, somewhere, has to put food on the table. Pinkbike has done that through ad revenue, BETA and Outside through subscriptions. No one forces you to buy anything in life, so you don’t have to feel personally attacked. If you’re this upset about it, then maybe they make a product you enjoy and that enhances your existence, so in exchange you can support their staff and expenses.

Most of your rant applies to life in general in a capitalist economy. It’s tough to debate without rewinding the clock to the foundation of modern society. Yes, Pinkbike is growing and asking for money… that’s because they’re growing and creating more content, apps, videos, articles etc. Basics economics. Do you HAVE to buy in? No. That’s the key here. No one is forcing you into anything. Personally, I’m not interested in the subscription at this time, but I’ll never criticize someone for asking to get paid either. If someone’s buying, someone’s selling. There are a few countries I can think of where none of this is an issue, and they aren’t the best, iirc.

Bottom line, I agree with what you’re saying, but your beef is with modern society and capitalism as a whole. I don’t think Brian is to be held accountable for that lol.
  • 32 1
 @mikealive: Ok... where do I send a coffee card or $ for a cold one? Mother of god that was the most succinct and timely vent on this wink wink nudge nudge deal. Thank you for articulating so well what a larger segment has been chewing on since this (que echo machine) amaaazing deal started.
  • 11 3
 @Krackity-Jones: I know...I like redbull events and entertainment but I wouldn't drink that Sh*t ever.
  • 12 2
 @scromblet: it's a fallacy that it is "because capitalism"

Capitalism, like any other economic system, is merely a way to structure economic activity. But you don't remove Capitalism and all of a sudden all the negative side effects of economic activity disappear.

Whether you live in an capitalist society or not, PEOPLE have a desire for growth.

It is only about what people value, and how they value it.
  • 78 8
 @scromblet: Well thought reply. I was goofing off a bit and my comment got a bit rant-ish, but let me clarify something: in no way was I saying this falls squarely on Brian's shoulders. I don't envy the position he is in. But I see it like this--he was involved with something for a number of years. That something was then sold, with the purchasers having certain expectations. Brian has a new boss, or his boss has a new boss, and they dictate what their expectations are... and BP is expected to play his part, as per his employment, in seeing that those expectations are met. I don't fault him for that in any way.

What would be refreshing is if BP just said 'Hey, we got bought, and now we gotta make papa some money. So we're going to keep doing what we used to do, and also add some *new* stuff on a paysite that we think you'll dig. Hopefully you dig it enough that you'll want to pay for it, because that's what papa wants from us.' Instead we're treated like cattle being asked to present our udders at the fence for a milking...but not so Brian can pay his mortgage or Alicia can afford some new skis, but so that some dicknose at Pocket Outdoor Media gets a second mansion. We get this greasy car salesman song and dance, and this coconut shell game of no, this will stay public.. but this other thing that used to be free might be moved behind a paywall at some point. No worries, that paywall thing is a whole 'nother group/site... until of course it's not. Guess what, we're one big team now! Hmm, color me surprised. All while being sold "We're doing it for YOU, you should be super stoked! It's going to be so great! We just care about you, the reader, SO MUCH. Making cool new content for YOU ᵗʰᵃᵗ ʷᵉ ᵈᵒ ᵉˣᵖᵉᶜᵗ ʸᵒᵘ ᵗᵒ ᵖᵃʸ ᶠᵒʳ". And you can see this is a marketing point, because it's obvious a memo went around the office for all the employees/affiliates to put on their happy faces and firefighter coats, and 'be present' in the comments of this article. Scroll through and count them up, Sarah, Alicia, Kaz, Chappetta, Eliot, Cathro, and more.. the gang's all here, and not a critical word from any of them. Where am I, Disneyland? Now I'm questioning, did Pinkbike make a racing team, or are they making a show about a racing team? There's nuance there that most gloss over..

To have someone point out 'progress for progress sake' as a human function, but also denounce capitalism in the same comment is odd. Humanity does not need 'progress' to survive, though in many ways the progress we have seen is a direct result of free market capitalism. Capitalism is not evil, and making it the new bogeyman is trendy, though unsubstantiated. I think we are in agreement in our view of society at large, but differ on what to attribute the cause. I say it's greed, not capitalism, but will leave it there because this is already getting long. In my first comment a larger point was for people to understand what it means to be happy with enough. The main point of this reply is to clarify that I respect Brian Park, and all the rad people at Pinkbike, but they should just tell it to us straight or don't say anything at all. Also, for god's sake get someone on staff that understands web 3.0 and it's implications so that you're not standing there bare-assed when this bubble collapses and people turn off all their frivolous recurring subscriptions.
  • 22 0
 @crustyoldguy: Heh, I'm sorry man.. I did get off on a bit of a tangent there. Happy to hear it resonates with some Pinkbike users though--I have a feeling some of the older members here see this wink wink stuff all too clearly. No coffee for me man, just hand out smiles on the trail next time you ride. Cheers!
  • 19 4
 @mikealive: I see what you mean yeah, and I agree they definitely put a spin on it, maybe I’m more of an optimist, I think this could bring about some cool content. I don’t think/ hope the Pinkbike we know will end up behind a paywall. If it does, you know a new free forum much like it would emerge from the ashes. I’ll be there if it does.

I definitely wasn’t denouncing capitalism, if anything quite the opposite. I was just pointing out that your post called out a single company for following the rules of “the game” so to speak, that everyone else follows too. I’m self employed and in my industry, all to often I have to defend my right to be compensated, so maybe I just got triggered. I just see a lot of people online getting angry with businesses for making money, when in reality everyone does the same. How many people show up to work every morning just for the paycheque? I don’t think that makes them villains, even if around their peers they pretend like they’re there for more righteous reasons.

I don’t believe in progress for progress’ sake, I just think it’s inevitable because society is conditioned to always want more. That’s a topic of its own of course, quelling human desires requires diving into Buddhism and I don’t think anyone here wants that lol. But in short, yes we should all be more grateful and satisfied with what we currently have. The world would be better off for sure, unfortunately that’s not the world we live in at the moment.

I guess I just feel like it’s obvious everyone is in it for more money. Let’s see what they got. I’ll buy in if I think it’s worth it. And if they mess it up, I’ll find somewhere else to hang out, no biggie. Is this article ghost written by Outside executives? A bit of a PR stunt? Probably a bit, but I think enough of it is genuine that it doesn’t upset me. I have a hard time getting upset by what businesses do, because in the end, unlike taxes, I can walk away from them.
  • 7 1
 @rbeach: You’re going really big-picture for discussion of niche website, but I more or less agree with you. Perpetual growth is a fallacy that slowly ruins everything.

You can thank Alexander Hamilton for the casino stock market system that drives this.
  • 6 0
 @jdendy: Didn’t you have to pay to read Bike Mag before?
  • 10 14
flag tacklingdummy (Feb 18, 2022 at 22:43) (Below Threshold)
 Well Pinkbike was good while it lasted. RIP Pinkbike.
  • 20 0
 @mikealive: "but they should just tell it to us straight or don't say anything at all"

There was a critical period at the announcement of the buyout (and for a time afterwards), when statements about the Outside transition had to be published. An opportunity to be straight, as you say, about the coming changes. An opportunity to be transparently honest. It's 2022, we all know the game - a buyout by a company like Outside means Profit margin with a capital P. We get it. Just admit it and the good&bad it entails - in a way that's ok with the parent company - if it's not too bad, we will understand, appreciate the integrity and come along. Most of us know this Outside leopard; we can try to live with its spots.

But this has come across as a sales pitch. Positives across the board.. it's all going to better than it was and better for everyone! Everyone's on board and we're all amped!

Articles like this make me feel like I'm being pitched a time-share. Not by BP, but by Outside telling BP he's got to pitch this time-share.

Honesty and transparency garner support, just as omissions eventually engender mistrust. What's the saying?... "a half truth is a whole lie".
At the end of the day, it's just a website. Shame to see it go a direction many people seem unhappy with, but when I logout and go for a ride, it's the last thing I would think about.
  • 13 3
 @mikealive: you're not wrong it's just a false dichotomy. Pinkbike likely was trying to make money before the acquisition as well as after. Moreover, every for profit business exists to make a profit AND provide a good product/service. It's not one or the other on both these points.
  • 11 0
 @Mannra: You've misconstrued what I've said. I'm sure I'm being clumsy in how I'm describing things, so let me try it like this--Of course they were trying to make money both prior to and after the sale, heh. That's obvious. The difference being *who* they were trying to make that money for. Like I said, pre-sale Pinkbike is making money for the people who started/run the site, not a parent corp. At that time, if PB is successful, that's directly going to pay the staff's salaries (that was the bit I mentioned about BP paying his mortgage).. There's a vested interest by the reader, a community aspect to it. The thinking going something like 'Pinkbike is successful? Good, I like those people and what they do, and I am happy to buy a shirt or pay a small subscription to see that they stay around'. During any of that time, if they come out and say hey, we're going to explore a paid membership option so that we can raise more revenue to try new cool stuff.. I think you hear some groaning here or there, but people could dig it. If at that time they said 'We're doing it for you guys', it still has some teeth. But now? It's like what was the bloody sale to Outside for then if you're going to turn around and ask for a paid subscription model? It looks like profit margin with a capital P, like @g123 said in the comment above. The whole comment sums up the sentiment very well. "Not by BP, but by Outside telling BP he's got to pitch this time-share." Exactly.
  • 13 0
 @scromblet: Oh I'm *sure* this will bring some stellar content, I agree there. In fact, had they said 'Hey, we are doing this cool new thing with Cathro and a race team, it's all new, and this is going to be on our paid site', that would have been an excellent subscription driver. And, since it was never a thing on PB in the past, hard to feel like they are taking something away from us, yeah? Instead it's like 'Well, that field test round table.. yeah, we might put that behind a paywall' or 'You know how a very minority portion of our users are interested in beta? Yeah, let's just merge the teams, lol'. Ugh.

Can you define the rules of 'the game', precisely? Where does it say you have to sell out to a conglomerate? I take your point though, I understand what you are saying. Could the people that developed Instagram have been successful without selling to Facebook? Of course they could have. But was it awesome to sell to Facebook for $1billion? Sure, for the owners of Instagram--but detrimental to the ecosystem for a whole host of other reasons. But hey, gotta look out for #1 first, right?

You're exactly right about all this, and probably just more accepting of the reality at this point than I am. I wanted to believe that the sale to Outside wouldn't bring about the goofy things that are happening now. But, as expected, these things are always rolled out incrementally, once stone at a time until the entire house looks different. You're right, is what it is. Thanks for the conversation, ScrambledEggs
  • 2 17
flag CheryBomb (Feb 19, 2022 at 2:30) (Below Threshold)
 Opinion about Outside subscription is a great filter to distinquish devoted mountain bikers from posers: you can't be percieved as a true mountain biker if you are not willing to pay a penny for a content you like.
  • 4 1
 @mikealive: fair enough. Perhaps PB ran break even before but had users to monetize and thus the sale. Just making the point that it was also about profit before, and good MTB content and profit can coexist.

I can stand for investing more resources for more diverse quality content. If profits increase, they've earned it. I couldn't stand for buying something great and slashing or monetizing it only to increase the bottom line.
  • 2 0
 @scromblet: 'No one forces you to buy anything in life'--you're free to be homeless and hungry. But there are fines for not having health insurance, driving an uninsured vehicle, and illegally disposing of corpses
  • 3 1
 @ceecee: can't tell if you're joking or not lol. If not, you're comparing criminal activity to consumer goods. No one is going to fine you for not subscribing to Outside.
  • 1 0
 @scromblet: buying food is criminal?

'Protection from Mayhem'--you don't have to buy it? I must be paying for it but not buying it

I'm responding strictly to the quoted assertion, though no one may have forced R. Burkat to sell anything
  • 2 1
 @ceecee: legit no idea what you're talking about. Mayhem? Food? What? Who are you quoting?
  • 1 0
 @scromblet: the full quotation is 'No one forces you to buy anything in life, so you don’t have to feel personally attacked.' Mayhem is an Allstate gangster. Out
  • 5 3
 @mikealive: Man, that's a lot of reading, and my attention span is normally pretty short. While I definitely think BP was tasked with "putting a positive spin" on things, I think we all knew, before we even clicked on the article, that it would be the case. However, all good free things mostly come to an end, and whether or not Outside buying Pinkbike is a good thing for us Pinkers, PB staff, or Outside is yet to be seen. Yet, people are already drawing conclusions and spreading panic before we see what actually happens. In the end, I hope that Levy, Kaz, BP, Sarah Moore, Henry Q, and the rest of them get big fat raises and can continue putting out amazing content that keeps myself and my friends sane, especially in the winter time when we can't ride. I am sure they were maybe doing OK before the buyout, but hopefully they can have a better quality of life and some of my subscription dollars can provide that. I subscribed early on to Outside+, for several reasons, but namely I wanted to support the contributors, IE, Travis Engel, Nicole Formosa, Ryan Palmer, Simon etc... and because I loved Bike Mag content so much, and it seems as though the rug was pulled from under them, and they got a second shot. So far, those subscription dollars have been a good personal spend, as I have print magazines in my rack about bike stuff, and great content coming from the Beta team, so I am optimistic its going to be great over the next 24-48 months on PB, and am stoked things haven't changed much yet in terms of the content they produce.
  • 6 3
 @mikealive: well said! To be honest, journalistic integrity never factored an any bike media I have ever read (disclaimer; that’s probably not as much as some of the more hard core members here), as an example; everyone knows sram/avid breaks have always been horse shit. NOBODY has the balls to actually say so. They want to be invited to next years product launch in Tirol or Canada or Mediera so they use words like “modulation” over and over and over and over. There are no “journalists” who have the cojones to say to the public “this product is crap, don’t waste your money on it.”
Cycling media desperately needs a May, Hammond and Clarkson.. not because they are boomer goofballs who make us laugh with their outlandish foolishness, but because they are honest in their review.
All we get as cyclists are “top ten trail bikes for 2022” or “top five gravel trends for the summer” or “what not to do at a trail center”
Yawn.
Meh.
And then they pull an Instagram on us and tell us it’s “content”...
  • 17 1
 @mikealive:
Agreed.
The sport of surfing went through the same crap and now is over crowded. There is no need to grow the sport. That's like muttering "go west young man". Well, they did, in search of el dorado, and messed up the beautiful state of California decades ago.
It's simple. You find something cool like MTB, or surfing, keep it to yourself. Lose lips sink ships. People spread the word about cool sports and cool towns, or cool anything for one reason: To boost their ego as the one who found such thing. Social media makes it worse, as the insecure masses post "about to bomb ridgeline" then complain Brevard is blown up.
Their own stupid fault.
Industry folks also love "growing the sport". Crap in their own nest in order to secure a "cool" job where most are underpaid because the corporations know the rank and file will work for pennies in order to have a cool outdoor industry job.
What can you do? Nothing. Enjoy whatever solitude, surf session or singletrack you have because the soccer moms and the wannabe hodads are coming for your fun
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 @fiftyshadesofbacon: bollocks.

I have both Sram and Shimano brakes on my bikes and like them both. The differences are subtle and mostly a question of taste.The fan boy brand wars are horseshit.
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flag Ktron (Feb 19, 2022 at 17:32) (Below Threshold)
 @mikealive: I'd argue selling Instagram to Facebook for $1bn now looks like they sold it too cheaply.

So much of what you're saying sounds like get off my lawn gatekeeping and an overdose of memberberries.

You loved the way things were on pinkbike but that time is gone. Banner advertisements and whatnot do not pay the bills anymore and if you want good content you have to be willing to pay for it directly.

It has become increasingly hard for journalists to make good salaries with the evaporation of advertising revenues and direct subscriptions are the way to support the content you enjoy, and without the frickin ads so many people detest.
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 @scromblet: Love that take. We just out here tryna make a living too!!!
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 @mikealive:
Isn't everyone just butthurt because now they have to pay for SOME content, you know, like in the olden days?
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 @Ktron: I agree that fanboy brand wars are stupid as.. the point really was about journalists and their reviews so the example was not intended to spark such a conflict.. I’ve tried both too but never been happy with sram brakes, and a lot of the riders I go out with and speak to agree.. the point is, even if they are much better now that years ago, there was a time when their was at least consensus on the fact that avid and sram were not as good as reviewers were letting us believe.. that’s what I have an issue with.
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 @SurfNC: Bang on the money here too! Strange the latest Beta article is about unchecked growth in Vermont!
  • 3 2
 @fiftyshadesofbacon: please, please, please; no Clarkson in mtb!
  • 3 0
 @brook3000: I haven’t read that article (because paywall), but kingdom trails is a great example of how unchecked growth is bad for our sport, and why those who profit from it rarely are the ones to pay the price
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 Geesh…it’s called marketing. What they told you is what is going on. Would you like someone to call you and talk it over with you first before they decide how to spend their money? Quit acting like a baby. PB has always been a business that is using ad revenue to MARKET things to you. I don’t know if it’s naiveté or arrogance, but you do realize you are commenting on a message board that is owned by a corporation with the sole intent for it to be analyzed and monetized to market and sell more shit to you? I love Pinkbike and Beta and was already a paying member of Beta. I’ve watched numerous publications i enjoy fail over the years. And as someone who appreciates good journalism, which requires capital, a subscription model also offers a publication independence to have an objective voice not beholden to strictly advertisers. I’m excited for the future of PB. And if someone gets rewarded for growing the PB/Beta brand, hats off to them. Here’s the truth a lot of you have forgotten or don’t know: no one owes you anything. If you want something in this life, YOU have to make it. You are essentially bitching and moaning about a business plan. Grow up! Get some perspective and worry about shit that matters. Don’t tie your existence to a brand. If you are unhappy, go to another site. OR..start your own.
  • 3 0
 @mikealive: That's all true, and good for you for calling them on their sales talk, but we may both be old enough to remember the dark days of MTB - BPB - Before Pink Bike - when rims made from cheese, flimsy tyres flatted every ride and 3x drivetrains and canti brakes were in...Back then we sucked up every ounce of info from print magazines for which we paid good money. Move ahead 30 years and we are swamped with information and media - most of it free. Or as free as anything is, we pay for data to access it and our interests and clicks are used for marketing purposes. That said, a few $$ for a subscription to quality content isn't a lot to ask I don't think. I'm just not sure the content on offer is what I'm after. what i don't like is the potential loss of content that is available without subscription presently.
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 @mikealive: nailed it. As soon as I was paywalled trying to read a Beta article, I subscribed. Maybe I’m part of the problem? But for me and many others like me, PinkBike and Beta might be the only way I ever really get to experience riding in Chamonix, or Whistler, or wherever. So the couple bucks a month is worth it if I can feel just for a second that immersion that a good long form article with good photography can bring about.
  • 6 0
 It's wonderful how very LITTLE internet content I need to consume when I'm asked to provide my credit card #.
Beer
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 @mikealive: "it's obvious a memo went around the office for all the employees/affiliates to put on their happy faces and firefighter coats, and 'be present' in the comments of this article" Yep, I found that to be off putting, tbh. A year or so ago Park, in a podcast, mentioned the occurrence of a company having their employees and influencers all making positive comments on a press release about some product. And how he had talked to the company to make sure that sort of thing wouldn't happen again... Oh how the turns have tabled.
  • 3 0
 @mikealive: I will indeed do that, there are not enough smiles or "w00ts" lately ~ I am older and a little crusty sometimes and do tend to present more gruffly than I really am. Unless there were underlying issues that the masses weren't privy to that would call for their move financially, I don't see how a conglomerate would make them better. I've lived through many buy-outs, takeovers, and rebrandings in the IT world, and in 36 yrs in that industry it's never been a good thing.
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 @mikealive: speaking of money ... right on the money. and with such eloquence, too.
  • 3 1
 @mikealive: 31 people didn't get your post. 465 upvotes. 31 people who just gotta hate. Beer
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 @blowmyfuse:
465 people have bought into @mikealive's overly simplistic model that doesn't take into account:
1. MULTIPLE motivations on Pinkbike's part. Yes it is about money. In part. And what else? Actually surviving in a pretty cut throat environment - notice how many previously free journalistic sites now have subscription elements? Actually growing the sport? Actually doing deeper and longer form journalism. Actually providing more coverage of races? And more?
2. The buy in of consumers (i.e. us) in the whole "we want more" process. In his take, consumers are portrayed by turns, as either victims or brain dead zombies, blindly following the corporate diktat. There's no accountability leveled at the consumer for the "we want more process" .

Also, how many of the 465 genuinely have "15 subscriptions per month"? I would guess that most have 0 per month, and are thus aghast as they've come face to face with having to pay for content for the first time.

I could be wrong in this, but the whole tone struck me as ideological, slightly bitter, and without a reasonable consideration of the broader context.
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 @Kurt1980: You're replying to a comment on a story from a week ago, but didn't read any of the conversation that followed where all the points you think you are making have already been clarified and addressed.

Right, no one has a Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, Fubo, Podcasts, Substack, Patreon, Twitch, or OnlyFans subscriptions. We all have zero, you are correct. And we all just want stuff for free, definitely the argument being made. Nailed it. Now, in the ultimate act of irony, let's call people simplistic. Cheers.
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 @mikealive:
You're correct in that this story is now from a week ago, but I do find people's reactions to situations quite interesting.

I suppose if you look at the initial comment, the main themes were "more is always foisted on us" and "it's about money, period". There was the lack of nuance and lack of personal accountability, and that's the commentary that got 472 up-votes. 472 people agreed with that sentiment, very few followed with up-voting your next paragraphs and clarifications, which do make your position a little clearer.

Also, just to clarify, even though there are multiple arguments against this process, I suspect a lot of it comes down to not wanting to pay for content. Look how many times the word "paywall" features in these comments, let alone all the other comments from all the other articles.

Also, to further clarify, I didn't call people simplistic, I said your model was simplistic.

If this comes across as harsh I apologise.
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 @Kurt1980: "...very few followed with up-voting your next paragraphs and clarifications..." my follow up response has the third most upvotes in the remainder of the thread, behind the original comment and my initial response. The fact that you would paint this as 'very few' shows me you are making an ideological argument instead of engaging on the facts present. "Fewer" would be true, "very few", relatively, is absolutely incorrect. This comes on the heels of you guessing most people here would 'have zero subscriptions per month', a wild claim in 2022, that again comes across as disingenuous for the purpose of bolstering your position. In other words, it appears your mind is made up, and you're willing to let that inform your perceptions.

"There was the lack of nuance..." Huh? This entire conversation is about the nuance, nuance you have glossed over with regard to points I have made, obviously. You interpreted my first comment incorrectly as "more is always foisted upon us" instead of 'we are marketed at to grow the sport'. At no point is victimhood claimed or culpability denied. Hilariously, the very first line of my first comment puts blame on us, the riders, who always want more, in this case miles of trail and the means to do it, so I literally open with personal responsibility. The entire second paragraph of that same reply is commentary on *our* willingness to recruit anyone who will listen to us to the sport of mountain biking. That's not 'brain dead zombies', that's a cult chant, *our* cult... but it was a goofy daydream, not the crux of my position. I thought that would be apparent. I close out the post saying, "Sometimes things are good enough, and we don't realize it", which suggests both self reflection and a call to responsibility--that's just a general statement, and it was written as its own sentence on purpose. In context, it was followed up by suggesting that PB was an absolutely fine product before they sold. I would guess a vast majority of us were here then, too.

"...I suspect a lot of it comes down to not wanting to pay for content". Ah yes, your expressly stated bias and thus the foundation for many points you try to argue. You're not the only one who has come along late to the conversation attempting to justify such tone-deaf assertions. Mere existence of the word "paywall" is not evidence to substantiate your claim--context does matter. In this case, it goes way back to the announcement of the sale of PB, and what was told to the community here. The real meat and potatoes at the heart of community sentiment, if you will. Many had concerns, we were assured they were unsubstantiated, for the most part. But slowly, bit by bit, we're seeing them become justified. You can go back to the original news of the sale, or comb through the various comments made since, that inform the intended direction for PB from here; I'm not going to do that work for you in this space. I am also, not now or previously, arguing against a paid membership option, at least not on its face. I'm taking issue with *how* it's coming to fruition. The spin, the marketing, urinating in our faces and telling us it's raining and all that.. that so many here agreed with my original comment serves as a good gauge of sentiment, even if further discussion is warranted. "It's about money. Period." wasn't an indictment of a business that is trying to make money, it was calling out of the marketing bullsh*t. We see through the spin. Pinkbike, the punk brainchild it once was, sold to 'the man' in many of our eyes. We're still here. So don't tell us these changes being made are 'for us', because if they were really 'for us', we wouldn't be asked to pay for them. The changes are *for Outside*, to make them an increased amount of profit. Claiming that something is done in someone's best interest and then asking them to pay for it beckons a level of cognitive dissonance that sets off alarms for most; it seems like a fundamental contradiction, at least in this case.

I have no interest in going back through all that has been said here ad nauseum. I understand that you are trying to make the case that fewer upvotes to later replies is a direct correlation that fewer people agree. I can only refer you to any comment thread ever on this site as evidence that you are incorrect--people simply quit following the conversation after a few days, hence fewer votes tend to exist as a whole the further down a thread you get. Should be readily apparent. Every additional comment on this thread sends a notification, and that gets annoying, so people will turn that stuff off in their profile settings. ALSO, for that same reason, this will be my last response on the topic (I can hear the collective 'thank god' being uttered by anyone still reading, and I agree)--I was trying to avoid doing so, but your claims were so off-base that they deserved to be replied to publicly. If you want to continue the conversation, feel free to PM me. I, like you, do also find people's reactions to the situation quite interesting, yours included.

"... to further clarify, I didn't call people simplistic, I said your model was simplistic." An important distinction, and noted. It is important to separate the person from the idea, this keeps emotions to a minimum. So understand me when I say that I am not calling you a moron, but the ideas you have presented are moronic.
  • 325 11
 I only did this so I could be in the same space as Blake Hansen and Andrew Neethling. Been trying to get an autograph for years.
  • 4 0
 Seems reasonable. I'd love to be sat in a room when needles is telling bike stories.
  • 14 3
 Eliot, I don't think I'll ever get around to Beta unfortunately but can you just do a 3min long video of repeated moto scrubs and whips? (gratuitous slowmo encouraged) - I'll pay top dollar straight to yer Onlyferns, Twatters n PayPeoples & then I can leave PB happily.
  • 140 5
 How many jobs you got now Eliot? I've lost count.

Racer/Rider
Commentator
Video Presenter
Grow Cycling Foundation Chairman
Computer Programmer
Music Producer
Professional Heartthrob
Now this

You are an unbelievable specimen and it's rad you're on board!
  • 8 0
 LOLLLLLZ LETS GOOOOO!
  • 5 0
 But would you pay for that autograph? Ha ha
  • 4 0
 @ben-cathro: Not available in UK tho
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 @ben-cathro: I take pride in being the an amateur heartthrob. One day I hope to be like you, a TRUE professional heartthrob

P.S. I just got a show! You wanna be a guest??
  • 5 1
 @cmolina: totally! I’ve offered money, but they are too famous so I’ve had to resort “following them and asking repeatedly even if they try to run” type tactics.
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 @ben-cathro: Eliot is on the Board too? Non-executive Chairman of Outside+?
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 @EliotJackson: Yo dude, just wanna say you're a steezy ass hero of mine. Thanks for being approachable and rad af!

PS, you're definitely a pro hearththrob. Fab
  • 4 0
 @EliotJackson: Sign me up.
  • 1 1
 @EliotJackson I think you missed out @mikelevy - his autograph has to be priceless
  • 304 4
 As a discerning reader who only lays eyes on the most worthy of content, have you considered paying me to read Beta? By subscribing to my readership, it assures you that (by virtue of me reading it) Beta's content is the highest quality in the mountain bike media landscape. I'm running an introductory offer where I'll read Beta's content for the low, low price of 7¢ per day.
  • 136 2
 Compelling offer, send me an invoice.
  • 6 1
 @brianpark: please create an account on bill.com and forward me your info
  • 14 1
 If I could collect $.07/day from 100,000 betas
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: Maybe you two could reach an agreement in the middle?
  • 8 0
 @UtahBrent: meet me Outside to flesh out the details
  • 8 0
 If I received pennies for every ad I had to see while browsing the internets on my phone n laptop I wouldn't use adblock. Jus sayin
  • 3 0
 @DizzyNinja: you can use brave browser, it's exactly what you described
  • 2 0
 @marge88: it's not pennies, it's tokens, which is more like air miles than monies
  • 181 11
 I DON'T LIKE CHANGE.
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 ;-P

Puberty must have been rough.
  • 78 3
 I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me. - A. Simpson
  • 13 5
 I think this article was clear and honest. What's the big deal?
  • 93 0
 I'm stealing my trail building buddy's line: "Mountain bikers hate two things; Change, and the way things currently are"
  • 15 0
 @suspended-flesh: A general lack of trust in media outlets.
  • 4 1
 Who else was reading this as Homer J. Simpson ? Smile
  • 3 0
 @Yerts: who said Adams been thru puberty?
  • 9 0
 I want the old times back! RC on MBA, print only.
  • 27 2
 @cxfahrer: I need Zap to tell me what to think while I scheme in the greymarket pages about saving up for a Mountain Cycle San Andreas.
  • 18 2
 As long as outside implements the paywall slow enough, I'm sure us frogs won't even notice.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: Just like 'Earthquake' Jake Watson (R.I.P.) rode!
  • 7 0
 If we all block beta we'll never no what we missed and nothing will change.
  • 13 0
 "But mostly, we want to get weird"

by monetizing our users data. That's so weird. Downright quirky and very unique. Good job Outsi----I mean pinkbike
  • 13 9
 Hey, if you don't like seeing content of "the sport’s best writers, photographers, and filmmakers" (Article, 3rd paragraph) you're free to suck it up with the rest of us and stick with the second-rate writers, photographers, and filmmakers featured on Pinkbike.
  • 28 6
 @mi-bike, the line says "We’ll be using the Beta membership model to work with more of the sport’s best writers, photographers, and filmmakers." I'd argue that Pinkbike already features some of the sport's best writers, photographers, and filmmakers, and that's not going to change.
  • 13 5
 @mikekazimer: Oh but it will wont it Mike...
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 @mikekazimer: Hereby requesting edit of my above comment, adding a Wink at the end.
  • 5 3
 If only you guys would have explained all this right at the beginning, it would have gone over a lot better.
  • 7 4
 @nsteele: You believe this lol?
  • 7 0
 @mikekazimer: the original reason I started reading pinkbike was because they had better photography than any other mtb bike site. Often the photography on sites is good but pinkbike was the only one which would fill the whole screen with nice picture rather than a 600 pixel strip down the center of the screen. Don't know if other sites are better at this yet.

The photo epics are really rad on a big screen whereas they're fine on a phone.
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 @mikekazimer: thanks for standing up to yourself and the team!
You guys are all doing a great job, the Pinkbike team, the Beta team (and the VeloNews team as well). Enjoying your stuff and paying happily for subscription, being the uncool mid 40's guy who feels good about paying for great content and great services. Cheers
  • 2 1
 @nsteele: They did, listen to the Podcast
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Exciting to see Mike Rose on the roster. Anyone who was a fan of Dirt Magazine might recognise his name.
  • 1 0
 @fektor-b: I wish Jerry Dyer was on the roster. I wonder what he's doing these days, apart from hitting the news big time. Answers on a postcard.
  • 143 0
 I've seen this a bit on surfing sites lately, stab in particular. There writing is pretty much trash but have some good content here and there. PB seems to be much better.

Can I make one suggestion? Cherry pick some of the content that is from Beta and air it free for 24 or 48 hours a week after its released on Beta. Im never going to subscribe to something without believing its actually good, and providing a few top quality pieces here and there might actually get me to fork over my money. That Martin Whitely article about teams would be a great one to start out.
  • 73 1
 That's a good idea.
  • 13 0
 @brianpark: Most subscription services offer a free trial these days to "try before you buy." Adding one for Beta to see what it is about AND getting magazines shipped to Canada might just get my money.
  • 8 0
 That's probably a good idea. I've looked at some of the beta articles from behind the pay wall and, to be completely honest, I did not feel compelled to actually put money down.
  • 25 0
 @AndrewMacNaughton I can't help but point out this irony (in good humor): "There writing is pretty much trash"


Your suggestion is solid, though.
  • 3 0
 Agreed. When Cyclingtips went to a paywall, they offered a month of free access. I love their content, but their membership perks basically equated to a few discounts, forum access and zwift rides. Making matters much worse, the articles the were highlighting as why I should pay were rather indulgent and not much use.

@brianpark I'm all for weird content and deep dives. I have faith that your staff know the difference between odd but useful stories vs content that serves the writer more than the reader.

FWIW - I'd certainly pay a few beans a month for dedicated XC coverage (which I'm guessing many other pinkers wouldn't), so maybe there's a way to connect your filters, which work well, to the premium structure?
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 Great idea! Also many sites have 3,etc. free articles you can read a month, etc.

I wish everyone with paywall content would offer one time fee's for specific content. (I know, the subscription would probably be a better deal and lots of benefits to it) But, that way I'd only be paying for something I want.

There are times only one source has a news article and your stuck for a couple days till other sources pick it up. It's not enough for me to subscribe, but I'd have paid for the single article to get that info quicker.

The subscription model is a catch 22. I've totally stopped buying Adobe products because of it and know many others who did the same. Course obviously they still have some really huge accounts so the lose of my small potatoes isn't a thing to them... Smile
  • 7 0
 Props for a legitimately creative and constructive suggestion instead of sticking to the poop slinging that usually happens on these threads.
  • 4 0
 "There writing is pretty much trash but have some good content here and there. PB seems to be much better."

Irony, thy names is Andrew.
  • 9 1
 My wife just brought home a beta mag that was dropped at her place of employment. I wasn’t sold on the membership either until now. Reading some of the articles and having a real magazine in my hands makes me think it’s well worth the money now. Reminds me of the good old days of waiting for the mailman and reading articles 46 times over the course of time in between prints. This has a Surfers Journal feel at half the price.
  • 1 0
 I was and am still a subscriber to Bike Mag/BETA and FreeHub Magazine. WTF is a paywall? I like physical magazines. - Gen Xer
  • 2 0
 @davidle03: They refunded my digital description when Bike stopped. Did you re up?
  • 2 0
 this. I dont know beta magazines content and might consider reading it. for now the brand only appeared as advertisements on the pinkbike front page. what exactly is the difference between the two brands? “beta” does not sound very premium to me.
  • 90 3
 This is a really open and fair article. I also think Brian throwing himself on the grenade by asking us to direct feedback at him and leave the editors alone is a respectable move which to my mind shows his character. Hats off of to you sir. I hate change, but I also really like my mtb content honest, weird and not dictated or influenced by whatever company is putting money into the pot. It's obvious that the pot can't be empty at the same time as the content I want being produced, so as I don't like the idea of companies putting the money in and influencing things I think it's fair to expect me to put my money in instead. In particular, stuff like PB racing and people like Eliot Jackson being given more of a platform is awesome and I will definitely support stuff like that. I haven't got a beta subscription yet, but I'm absolutely considering it. If the much promised Mike vs Mike race goes down in a big way I think that'll sell it for me. As far as the PB staff goes, you all do an awesome job and your skin must be way thicker than mine. Thanks for putting so much of yourself into this.
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 Thanks @brianpark!
  • 4 1
 Amen to that!
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 "Brian Park Salvaging PB Editors' Mental Health" for the February Good Month / Bad Month? Thanks @brianpark.
  • 1 0
 f**** mobile. I wanted to give an up-vote
  • 6 0
 Outlook rule: "move all new emails directly to trash"
  • 2 2
 @squarewheel: If you register for Outside+ you will be able to alter your up/downvotes for 3 minutes if you make a mistake!
  • 4 1
 Agreed. @brianpark you make a lot of compelling points in your article. Compelling enough that I went from being super annoyed at having Beta shoved down my throat to deciding to sign up for that $2/month membership and give it a try. Good content isn't free!
  • 1 1
 @squarewheel: touch the text box icon next to the comment you want to up/down vote to open a reply text box, and you'll find the up/down arrow buttons above said text box.
  • 2 0
 @pockets-the-coyote: "Props already given" - you get one shot and no Undo.
  • 1 1
 @suspended-flesh: Ah that's frustrating. I wonder if switching to desktop mode would provide a work around..
edit: oh that wouldn't matter either way, but using the desktop mode link at the bottom of the mobile page does give the normal buttons, switching the browser toggle still accesses m.pinkbike.com for some reason.
  • 9 4
 As a UK fan of Pinkbike and a subscriber to BIKE Mag, made sense for me to subscribe to Beta. Glad I did, great content across both platforms, why shouldn't I pay for it?
  • 72 5
 "Will user submitted content on Pinkbike be paywalled? No."

Isn't that what you all said about Trailforks a few years ago?
  • 28 4
 Exactly. This is a nice article, but actions speak louder than words. Watch out with the negative comments, last time there was an article about Outside I got an account suspension for downvoting two brian park comments.
  • 16 3
 This article is plan B after the hail of negative comments last year. It's simply a matter of time that the return on investment has to be realized from plan A and things will slowly migrate to the subscription access area. The frog will slowly be boiled
  • 9 1
 Pinkbike's track record on these matters is definitely pretty questionable. If things get rocky with the subscription model, things will go behind the paywall pretty fast. Just watch.
  • 3 3
 As someone thats in software, it seems like a great idea to offer free apps with just marketing to generate revenue. Then your mvp needs an overhaul, your team needs growing and your payroll doubles or triples. Someone has to pay for that.
  • 9 0
 It will only be paywalled once there's a critical mass of user-generated content that was collected for free to monetize. It's what was done with Trailforks.
  • 7 0
 @solarplex: I woulda read the rest of your comment if you had a BMX background, jus sayin
  • 48 2
 I'm genuinely excited for seeing the content from the new contributors. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw Neethling's recent article and I'm happy it will be a regular thing along with all the other new talent.

Pinkbike racing is pretty cool too I guess... Smile
  • 15 3
 Pinkbike racing will be the coolest thing Pinkbike has ever done. Have fun and I hope you get gearbox bikes.
  • 6 0
 You might just wake up tomorrow and find yourselves renamed as ‘The BETA Testers’ ☝️
  • 2 2
 I agree. It’s pretty amazing to see what PB has become, but I’m also excited to see what Beta will be. I’ve loved what they’ve put out this far, and I have a lot of respect for the staff and contributors. I’m personally stoked if the MTB industry can support a business model like Beta, because it should bode well for the rest of the scene.
  • 2 0
 PInkbike Racing is the most exciting thing about all of this!
  • 4 5
 Pinkbike racing is really cool, don't f$ck it up Ben
  • 41 0
 I would honestly consider signing up to Beta if the option to have a print mag shipped to Canada was there, but as it stands, it feels that non-US folks are getting a pretty poor deal in comparison to the Americans (same price, less product).
  • 25 1
 Working on it!
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: awesome, thanks for the reply!
  • 3 0
 Agreed....I was all set to get a + membership till I noticed all the things we can't get up here. It looks like this will change with some time...fingers crossed. Willing to spend a few bucks on great content, but don't like feeling like others get more for their money just because of where we live.
  • 12 0
 @brianpark: Not really a fan of paper- how about you send some money to a charitable organization (e.g .NICA) for everyone who does not order the magazine?
  • 3 0
 @brianpark: I agree, but will it still be half price by the time your done working on it? Actual question, not throwing hate because i would consider it at the price if it included the mag (i'm old). Also, wanted to mention that you are right, leave the editors alone. Commend you for that.
  • 7 0
 @chrsei: I think that's a great idea.
  • 1 0
 Agreed. I just canceled my Beta subscription for that reason. Offer a print subscription to Canadians and I'll consider rejoining again. Thanks
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: what about to the UK? I get that this could be expensive and not feasible but it would be really cool if it was?
  • 6 0
 @everythingscomingupmilhouse: working on it for the rest of the world as well.
  • 44 1
 As long as the kaz reviews are free I’ll be stoked. I’ve never read more reliable reviews anywhere.
  • 11 0
 Both Mikes please... Actually the way this played out with only the BetaMax articles being behind the paywall is a pretty sweet outcome.
  • 8 1
 @stiingya: Yeah please tell me it will be the Mikes doing the field tests still and not the betas with their boring chat whilst they awkwardly hold beers
  • 35 0
 Looking forward to seeing how the pinkbike DH team get on. Cathro has been a great addition. Also really enjoy the podcasts.
  • 34 1
 36 days to Lourdes, can't wait!
  • 64 0
 @sarahmoore: It's that soon?!? *Panic intensifies*
  • 2 0
 @sarahmoore: Someone needs a miracle...
  • 3 0
 @ReformedRoadie: Those are some great tips! That guy's a natural, he should probably try his hand at racing.. rekon he'll go top 25 this year with skills like that.
  • 41 7
 Cool! Full support for this. Love seeing journalists add value to their work while keeping a majority of content free and accessible.
  • 38 2
 Does this mean Pinkbike can now test Evils?
  • 49 1
 We've always been able to test them, they just never seem to have one available for us to test. Maybe we can funnel them though Palmer now.
  • 3 0
 Gold comment
  • 3 2
 @mikekazimer: That's what that girl always said I tried dating for several month.
  • 8 1
 I read "Elvis".
  • 13 3
 evil dont want to part of the huck to flat, the downtubes cant handle it.
  • 1 0
 @noideamtber: ever watched rampage? Seems fine for evil frames.
  • 1 0
 @PhilBoss: Everytime but Would they ever let that be public knowledge?
  • 38 5
 LOL. all I gotta say is thanks for allowing me to block the BETA stuff,
  • 10 5
 At first glance I thought the same but then I won't be able to see over time how they increase weekly content on the pay links and decrease the free content. Ignorance isn't bliss
  • 5 0
 BETA Blocker!! That's funny right there!
  • 8 8
 @DizzyNinja: If you have no interest in BETA why do you feel the need to track the content they put on PB in terms of paywall vs no paywall? Seems like you are actually interested in BETA.
  • 29 7
 I think the PB/Beta partnership has been excellent. The World Cup team moves analyses from Neethling and Whiteley were great. Having Beta on the PB homepage makes my life easier so I don't have to navigate to two websites
  • 31 7
 Change isn't hard, it's the resistance to change that makes it feel hard.
  • 15 4
 And sometimes there's a resistance to change for a reason.
  • 6 6
 I'd say that's what she said but it's 2022 so I can't.
  • 20 0
 For subscriptions, is there a way/plan to accommodate people who already signed up for previous deals?

For example, I signed up for Trailforks during the lifetime discount promo period, and I also pay for a Gaia GPS sub from before the Outside acquisition. If I were to sign up for Beta now, things would be adding up pretty quick.

I'm not sure how to word this, but is there some kind of way to "transfer the discount" or "reward" those of us who signed up early for Trailforks, into a discounted Outside+ membership? It feels dumb to "lose" out on my lifetime discount by cancelling Trailforks only subscription and signing up for Outside+ instead.
  • 14 0
 I'll mention this to the membership folks. Agree it'd be nice to grandfather in early supporters. We appreciate it!
  • 4 0
 @brianpark: I second this... I'd be much more inclined to do the full outside + membership if my early adopter trailforks discount meant something toward it.
  • 2 0
 @bonkmasterflex: and I’ll third. Been thinking I would get an offer/perk/something to entice me to go O+ before my Pro renewal in Sept.
  • 3 0
 @brianpark: please do mention it as I went to the link to sign up but didn’t want to lose my Trailforks discount to sign up toBeta. I am sure others have as well


Thanks
  • 4 0
 Agreed. I looked at getting the membership but I am already in on the early Trailforks and there’s no magazine in Canada. The math just didn’t make sense.
  • 2 0
 This is definitely being highly considered and worked on by Outside folks. Sometime in the coming months there will be a compelling upgrade to Outside+ offer for existing Trailforks Pro subscribers, early adopters included.
  • 1 0
 @canadaka: I subbed early to Trailforks, then beta a couple months ago. Will the coming news address my existing double Trailforks sub? Thanks for the info!
  • 3 1
 A friend signed up for PB before it was owned by a corporate overlord. Is there a way to transfer this " reward" so they don't "lose" out on their MTB lifetime of enjoying PB without filling the pockets of the 1%. Call it -Overlord.
  • 2 0
 @canadaka: Please do this, I can't/won't get an Outside membership which includes trailforks since I'm already paying for trailforks. IMO trailforks early subscribers should get an O+ membership with their tf sub. Wink
  • 23 4
 That cover for BETA is what Dirt used to be back in the old days.

I must say I read a couple of free articles about all sorts from all kinds of ways of life on Outside and I must say I liked most of them. Yes some are really beta/gamma oriented making them unexciting celebrations of mediocrity. But most of them were damn spot on. They were relatable for my 40yr old ass but still having a great vibe. Many of them were a voice of reason in the flashy world of extreme sports where every second ahole wants to be an influencer and when their kid rides down a short hill they think he/ she will be a champ. My memory goes to opinion article by @mikelevy where he wrote something in the ways of "you're not that fast", which in a way was another priming up for his celebration of short travel bikes. It had many great points but it was still a bit dudy a bit intimidating. Stuff I read on Outside was not as loaded. The article "we set out to build a cabin and everything went wrong" was just amazing, I laughed my ass off.

And I believe the most of buying force in MTB needs a bit of that beta vibe. I am sick and tired of folks my age who can't stop saying that 1-2cm plays a huge role for their riding, hydraulic bottom out changing night to day, that carbon vs alu bullcrap that I myself propelled over many years of commenting on this site. Done. I am done with listening to engineers wanking away their brains on stuff they have no chance of proving.

I welcome the change and I am willing to pay for it. And when it comes to being sendy and inspiring younger generations like what Dirt did, that ship has sailed and it is time to look ahead.
  • 5 1
 Is that really you Waki? Inquiring minds and all that..,
  • 13 3
 @Svinyard: I am not the same... things will never be the same
  • 3 0
 I don't mind paying for quality magazines. I've been subscribed to Dirt since 2004 until they went out of print, I've been subscribed to to Cranked ever since it's been out, I'm buying pretty much all the Misspent Summers stuff and I paid the 100 dollar for the Eskapee Collective (though they still didn't make it). Misspent Summers stuff often has the Dirt vibe (with James McKnight, Jon Gregory and Mike Rose onboard at this point), Eskapee and Cranked are a bit more mellow maybe. Cranked even dedicated an article to a troll named Wacek, so it shouldn't be that hard to relate to. The description about BETA seems similar to what Cranked is. But I've never read an actual article from BETA, so I can't tell for sure. You knowing the same media that I know (assuming you know Eskapee too), could you give me an indication of where BETA sits on that spectrum? I don't mind investing in another magazine (I love magazines) but they should add something to what I'm reading already.
  • 6 0
 @calmWAKI: mushrooms?
  • 4 3
 @vinay: well print is not a bad idea and we may all need it. Actually it may be one of the last times we are commenting in a long time in foreseeable future. If Russia attacks Ukraine, Nato will love to take satellite footage of them shooting civilian targets. Putin knowing this may want to shoot down these satellites. This will basically wipe out most of orbital infrastructure in a matter of days, including communication satellites, GPS and so on. Thank you Lockheed Martin, Bae Systems, General Electric, Boeing, Bloomberg, News Corp and many more who pull strings in this mess. Say good bye to Strava
  • 2 1
 @calmWAKI: We will still debate the value of subscription models in here in North America using our geostationary satellite matrix while the Baltic states are warring.

This would be a good time to listen to some classic Ukrainian nationalistic BM by Drudkh like Blood in our Wells. If you prefer your Black Metal in a folk vein, try Songs of Grief and Solitude. Their compilation Eastern Frontier in Flames would do......best wishes to my Ukrainian brothers and sisters in these dark days.
  • 6 1
 @calmWAKI: Pinkbike goes behind paywall, Putin starts ww3, they run out of Greek letters for COVID varients. Which of these will the top story of 2022?
  • 5 2
 @suspended-flesh: It’s hard to bother about what MTB media does considering how close the super power shenneningans are. My thoughts go to people of Ukraine a lot. But also to the general order of peace in Europeand in the world. US and Russia are at each other again and with new supersonic weapons at disposal of both it should be concerning for the whole world. In a perverted way I wonder how Russian public is dealing with this. But then a scary thought comes in… well US and UK public dealt not only fine with war crimes in Iraq, they were proud to top it out.

Whatever. It sucks. I shouldn’t be disappointed as I know whet pieces of crap we can be if misinformed and manipulated. Let’s just hope it will end with dick swinging.
  • 2 0
 @calmWAKI: you will find that most U.K. citizens hated the Iraq war and have no idea why we got involved beyond our leaders sucking up to the us President. One day we hope to find out what the benefit of sticking up is because we haven’t seen any yet
  • 4 1
 @CM999: they may have hated it but they haven't done anything. Blair is in good health. So is Clinton, Bush and Obbie. We all sat and watched not even knowing what in the whole F we are looking at. I reember very well watching Polish News and some journo ahole asking how many millions will Poland earn in rebuilding of Iraq as return for sending troops. We jut don't care until shots and explosions can be heard with our own ears.
  • 19 0
 Honestly I would have been so happy to pay a subscription to Pinkbike for better funded content, initiatives, and staff. People who are passionate about the sport and work hard to improve it further. Knowing a large chunk of my money is instead going to the shareholders of Pocket Media who view our sport and industry as nothing more than a cash cow just puts me off entirely.
  • 6 0
 I personally love how much more corporate things are now -no one ever
  • 10 0
 @L0rdTom exactly this.

The whole bait-and-switch with Trailforks a few years ago was the first thing that PB did that made me unhappy. Granted, I should have seen it coming but building a core part of your business on the backs of your users just to turn it around and sell it back to them was sneaky and disingenuous. Ok, good one PB.. you got me this time. The utility of TF is great, and even though the history is a bit tarnished in my eyes, I would have had no trouble recommending it to others previously.

The fact that a decent chunk of the profits from TF subscriptions will now go to Pocket Media brass has changed that view. Pay to directly support the passionate PB staff (in addition to site clicks)? Possibly.. probably.
Pay or recommend Pocket Media products to others to pad the bonuses and golf memberships of execs? Not likely.
  • 16 0
 you guys talk about Beta, but not about that pending podcast on Aliens.... i am genuinely pissed.
  • 31 18
 There are always going to be those who don't like change regardless. But my concern will always be from a design perspective first and then a transparency perspective second. I'm glad there is a filter for BETA. That was a necessary design change just to keep the site clean and consistent. Nobody likes ENDING UP at a paywall. They want to voluntary click on something knowing they're reaching a paywall. And slipping the posts in the middle of the scroll was betraying that design flow. Which is why banners and sidebars make much more sense. So... To each their own. The design needs to just work, regardless of people's opinion on BETA.

And secondly, this post is great for transparency. For Beta. But I want a sprinkle more transparency with PB's direction for 2022 going forwards. Things change, that can't be stopped, but I'd like a bit more advertising transparency on PB even though you own the platform and as far as I know are not legally bound to display much of anything in regards towhat is paid and what is not. BUT... I think the community deserves it. I think the latest Canyon video really rubbed people the wrong way not because it was just reading the spec sheet (well, maybe a little bit because of that), but because the title and video length lead people to the precedent that it was an opinion piece, a review, a test, etc. But the titling said "presented by Canyon" for like 2 seconds and it became a pretty uninterrupted advertisement.

It's not that people don't like ads, ads are everywhere. People don't like uninspired ads. And if its uninspired, its at least gotta be short, right? I don't want to pigeonhole PB in to playing the same ball game with the same rules as youtube creators or other outlets, but I think youtube has developed a lot in terms of advertising without being a complete chore to watch. Quick intro, mid roll, and outro ad spots. Or an entertaining concept that is subtly an ad the entire time, such as Budget vs Baller. Say what you will about the execution of the first series, I still think it was an effective advertising campaign for Jenson and I don't want them to be discouraged from supporting another season. Season 2 is almost guaranteed to be objectively better with that HEALTHY DOLLOP of feedback season one received. So it can only go up from here. Both in views and quality. Making more effective advertising.

But yes... I would like some transparency on those uncanny valley advertisements like the Canyon video. I was actually say at my computer, with a confused look on my face, wondering what I was watching. Was it content? Was it an ad? Was it both? It was kinda just talking... But then there was some riding... But not enough for me personally. Were others okay with it? (checks comments) It seems they weren't. So how can we bring that advertising concept more in line with what the audience views as effective advertising.

Apologies to whoever read this whole thing, there's no way you get paid enough. hugs and kisses. You sacrifice is appreciated.
  • 28 3
 You're right, as a PB reader I definitely didn't get paid enough to read that whole thing!!
  • 4 3
 Skipped to the end. Hugs and kisses? Really?
  • 6 0
 @OCSunDevil: Usually comments only have that many words when someone is asking whether to upgrade their 6 year old bike.
  • 3 0
 @bocomtb: But should I put a factory fox36 on my 69.5 degree head tube 3x drivetrain quick release bike? It worked fine when I bought it 15 years ago sooo

(laughs in 26 inch yeti/santa cruz on BuySell for like 4k)
  • 8 3
 That Canyon video really scared me. is that what we are now going to be getting more of on the free site and then the actual reviews on the paywall site?

I went to check it out because I have the 2019 Canyon Spectral and was really looking forward to a goo unbiased review on the two options to see if I would go on one of those (and which one) vs something else. No luck and walked away with nothing. Love Jason and Tom, but that was cringy.

Did Jason leave Pinkbike? Mahalo My Dude are making a big deal about him being "back".
  • 4 0
 @cmolina: Jason is no longer on staff, but is confirmed by Kaz to be freelancing with PB for bigger projects (probably filming for field tests and such where you kidna need all hands on deck). Sounds like a good move, hope to see even more from Jason in the future wherever it is.
  • 6 0
 I agree that canyon article was just an advert. It told me nothing that reading the spec sheet wouldn’t tell me. Transparency is key and whether an item is an article or an advert needs to be very clearly stated. It’s hard to keep with the line that the tech editors are independent from the advertising team when article / adverts like this are published
  • 6 5
 @CM999, all sponsored articles (like the Canyon video) are tagged "Sponsored". You also won't find any performance verdicts in those articles - that's mentioned in the first 40 seconds of the video.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: Can you clarify if YouTube has a mandatory paid content categorization? Because that's something I was trying to hone in on is the video/article being tagged sponsored within PB is one thing. But on youtube I didn't see the same "paid content" tag other youtube videos have. Not sure if including titling that says "presented by Canyon" nullifies the necessity for that tag. But I think if YT has a system for it, it would be much more transparent to use that system regardless of a quick titling.
  • 6 4
 This is not change, it the beginning of the end of PB being free...
  • 1 0
 Tldr
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: if you are participating in a sponsored advert how do you remain impartial and as Brian days completely disconnected from the sales side of PB?
  • 13 0
 Headline of recent Beta article: "Why Shimano’s Saint Brakes Haven’t Been Updated in Nearly a Decade"

This feels exactly like something that would be in Pinkbike and doesn't fit with "will focus on print, long-form stories, and features for members". I'd love to hear why that topic is not suitable for Pinkbike.

And as far as "which works out to under 7 cents per day", if you're going to let me pay per day, then that seems like a fair way to slice it. But if you're not, you sound a lot like the car dealership "finance" guy who tried to sell me a bunch of extra junk for "just an extra $35/mo".

Thank you for including the filter to exclude it. I will probably also stop buying the print version of Beta because of the tactics they're taking.
  • 3 1
 That article was from the winter 2021 print issue of Beta magazine.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark I hope you understand what I'm getting at. I know you're just in a new world trying to bring clarity to where there's significant overlap. That Beta headline just doesn't mesh with the description of the differences between Pinkbike and Beta.

If I could have paid seven cents for that article, I would have. I know subscriptions are where it's at, especially as I've worked in SaaS for a decade+. But as a consumer, I have too many subscriptions. Somehow Trailforks is a no-brainer for me, but an Outside+ subscription to read why Saint brakes haven't been updated in a decade isn't subscription worthy for me.

I also don't have a Beta print subscription, but buy them individually as I have time and desire.
  • 16 0
 keep the buy & sell free!
  • 17 1
 Bring Vernon Felton back and I will pay.
  • 13 2
 Is there a way to hide the flair that comes with subscribing? Lmfao

I bet you’d get a lot more subs if folks didn’t get stamped BETA/outside+ or whatever…at least I think I have seen one or two like this?

Sounds silly, but would work on me. I don’t plan on subscribing either way in the near term, but if I did…
  • 9 2
 I'll suggest that. I think it's just on the profile pages. In the meantime if you don't want it you can just sign up with a different email.
  • 7 1
 @brianpark: Needs to be a way to hide that your a outside+ member so you don't get bullied on the forum. Wink
  • 3 7
flag Herb1234 FL (Feb 18, 2022 at 14:30) (Below Threshold)
 @notsosikmik:

I do find it a sad, that people who choose to support beta/pink bike. Have to hide it, or they are bullied by other members of the community.
  • 5 1
 @Herb1234: mostly people, at least myself, would prefer not to be tagged as OUTSIDE+ because it’s lame and not even a platform I like or want to support per se.

I would, however, consider paying the sub if the content ends up being stuff I want to read / watch. But, having to advertise I support this shit is a turn off…even though I largely couldn’t care less what anyone here thinks of me. Hard to explain, but I’m sure others are the same.
  • 12 1
 I subscribed to Beta when the first issue came out as I was excited about a new mountain bike publication. I only received 2 magazines the entire year. I tried contacting Beta to resolve the issue but it is impossible to reach a real person. Don't waste your money!
  • 2 0
 Underrated comment. Needs investigation/resolution.
  • 13 2
 If Outside and their subsidiaries want me to give them money, I want them to buy the gear they test and review it 100% honestly, with no fear of reprisal from advertising sponsors. Otherwise, there’s an inherent conflict of interest that utterly devalues the content.

When that content is free-shilling for sponsors is fine. As soon as there’s a paywall, I want better content.

And no, the ramblings of some ex racers doesn’t count.
  • 16 6
 My problem is that the quantity went up and the quality went down in last few years. It was very noticeable. Also, way too many puff pieces and bike company fantasy. If PB had kept quality up and stayed true to its rider focused origins maybe, just maybe, readers would have considered paying something. However, PB have never adequately acknowledged that what made PB one of the best was the community and the comments. With all due respect, there have been loads of did articles and frankly questionable views and guidance, all of which were quickly busted in the comments. A lot can be learned from PB comments. We click links and we generate traffic. If that wasn't enough, ok, sit down and write a piece adequately conveying where you are at and your vision for the future. In reality, it was not handled well, at all. A lot of good feeling had been lost. As it happens I don't think the Outside model is of much interest to a lot of long standing PB readers, not a dig but just an observation. Maybe Outside don't want us and we don't want them. The whole thing is just unnecessarily bad natured and could have been handled so much better. Maybe I am too European and this corporate train derailment is just alien to us. I wish PB well and I ask that they maybe have some articles about mountain biking with some depth.
  • 1 0
 well said, sir.
  • 15 7
 The comment section on Pinkbike has become incredibly toxic over the last weeks/months, but this specific comment section seems very supportive and a nice place to be! Hopefully that is the sign of what's to come! Excited about this, great work guys.
  • 10 2
 Can you comment on the status/update of the video team at Pinkbike? We know the Jason has moved on, but what about Christina, Brad and others not found on www.pinkbike.com/about.
  • 15 0
 Jason's gone freelance but Christina, Tom, other Tom, Max, Ben, Stefan, etc. are all on board (and we brought Ben Cathro in from contract to staff as well). Jason is still part of the crew and we'll be looking to do some projects with him this year!
  • 18 1
 No fear!!! I am here!!! haha not going anywhere but thanks for your support ❤️
  • 3 0
 @brianpark: Real question is which one is Tom and which one is designated as other Tom.
  • 1 0
 @christinachappetta: Thank God! More skinnies please.
  • 2 1
 @brianpark: is there going to be another round of Pinkbike Academy? Guilty pleasure viewing for sure on my part...
  • 2 1
 @bonkmasterflex: Yep!
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: but who’s hosting!?
  • 5 0
 @VZ134: Protour
  • 2 0
 @adrennan: we’ll never know!
  • 16 9
 its a very natural progression
people that are working hard in our industry need financial compensation
@brianpark i, and pretty much all the people i talk to industry wide, would like to see more women and BIPOC contributions, i'm all over paying for that... i see that pinkbike/beta etc is trying to be more inclusive and i commend that completely
  • 9 2
 Oh how awesome, lets just accept that it's a natural progression that everything has to turn maximum profit, that's always benefitted everyone equally hasn't it...
  • 26 19
 Maybe because I haven't been around pinkbike too long, but I just don't get the vitrol against putting Beta stuff on the pinkbike homepage. It's not like they're forcing you to click it. Just scroll past. Have both site fill different roles and keeping pinkbike relatively unchanged seems like it's a totally fine thing to do.
  • 23 0
 I think, and I could be wrong, people believe there will be a sliding scale where what's free gets less and less over time.
  • 3 12
flag FMHUM (Feb 18, 2022 at 10:44) (Below Threshold)
 @jaame: I mean, that's a valid fear I think, but that's not what happening right now. If that happens, then complain about it then. Or don't read pinkbike then. Or one can express that their concern is about such a thing happening. But most people seem to be angry that there's a small block showing articles from another publication and that there is an Outside logo on the top of the page.
  • 12 6
 @jaame: I've already noticed it, so yes, it's happening. Far less interesting articles since Outside took over, largely being replaced by re-shares of youtube content.
  • 28 1
 @mammal, to be fair, there aren't that many new products or events to cover in the dead of winter. Despite all the conspiracy theories, nothing has changed as far as content output goes since the Outside acquisition. We've got a bunch of cool projects in the works, and racing will be starting soon, so there should be plenty of interesting stuff on the way.
  • 3 0
 @FMHUM: yeah you're absolutely right. Vote with your feet at the end of the day. As one door closes, another door opens. Or we could focus on riding our bikes more and reading aboit bikes less.
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer: OK, I appreciate the direct feedback. If it's just my inherent skepticism at work, I look forward to a similar type/volume of original content that I've been used to for the past several years (more like 22 years actually).
  • 5 3
 But it wont will it, more and more of the best content will be moved behind the paywall, the short sightedness here is sickening...
  • 2 0
 @mammal: This feels pretty similar to other winters for me. Checking Pinkbike for distractions and coming up pretty empty.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Tech articles, skills/how to, manufacturer tours.. How about a user-engaged winter design project chosen by poll? Could be components, shoe or helmet collab, a frame.. it would take all winter to argue about the details. Maybe it isn’t feasible, just a suggestion.
  • 19 8
 Sucks that no one will see the work of all these amazing people
  • 6 8
 Just because you won't pay for it doesn't mean other people won't. You agree that they are amazing, why do you expect them to not get paid for it?? I know you're being a troll but come on.
  • 6 2
 @OCSunDevil: should be interesting to see how profitable it is. People have limited attention spans and after looking at social media, comments, and regular free pb stuff, you they really have the motivation left to open their wallets to pay for extra content? Not against it, but I'd be surprised if it succeeds
  • 6 0
 @OCSunDevil: is there any evidence that pb staff have received pay rises? I'd expect much of that money will be funnelled towards Pocket Media's shareholders.
  • 12 0
 Will Buy-Sell stay free?
  • 6 2
 Doubtful
  • 4 5
 Buy & Sell isn't under the editorial side so I don't know the specifics, but I believe they want to keep the standard version free. There's been a paid version of the Buy & Sell for years, and AFAIK the plan is to just make that version better.
  • 8 2
 @brianpark: Oof. A firm "Buy-Sell isn't changing" would have been what I'd expect to hear if it in fact wasn't changing. Guess it wasn't an accident that it was left out of this article. Great.
  • 3 0
 @brianpark: Oof, what a big bummer. Kind of feels like when businesses make cuts to long term employees who helped build the business. Would highly suggest leaving it as-is and making Beta about journalistic content.
  • 12 4
 As much as I like what Beta has to bring to the table, if I wanted (and wanted to pay for) Beta content, I would go to Beta for it. Quit clogging up your homepage with content that isn't yours.

/old man rant
  • 2 0
 You can turn off the beta adds in the content filter on your PB dash.
  • 11 2
 The only thing I don't like about Beta is that there's no comment section. Basically, it'd be beta if there was.
  • 14 0
 Hah we're working on adding a comments section, just for your terrible puns.
  • 6 0
 Working on it. Definitely something we want to get implemented this year.
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: while you're updating the beta website, any plans to move pinkbike off php 5.6 and into the modern world? Maybe even put it on a hosted server?
  • 3 0
 @hamncheez: a man can dream.
  • 5 0
 @brianpark: In tandem to the technical work I would consider running the Beta Comments Academy to toughen the team up for when the floodgates open.
  • 7 1
 I used to be a big fan of Deadspin, which was free and provided great sports content. They got bought by a big media firm and tried to shove so much marketing BS, auto play ads, and editorial oversite that the site and content became terrible.

The core writers broke off to form defector.com (highly recommended) and now they charge a subscription. As mentioned above, it allows them to write about and cover whatever they want. The content is better than ever and there are little to no ads. PLUS the journalists all make a living wage which is great.

I don't think the old format of free content sponsored by ads is financially sustainable anymore. I'm all for providing top level content for a subscription. Thanks for the info.
  • 10 3
 Yo, guys I am going to subscribe, I love most of the stuff you do & especially the podcast, but I’ll only subscribe if you can promise Levy will keep living in the basement?
  • 8 1
 I think it's fair to say he's not planning on leaving the basement any time soon.
  • 6 0
 I mean I can see why and think it’s great to be able to support awesome folks and create opportunities for super cool teams. It just feels like a downer that it used to be free and we would get to see similar articles. Now it’s just another monthly/annual cost eating away at some folks bike/parts budget!
  • 3 4
 Hmmm.. but now upon reflection I see that I’m being critical about something that is providing a livelihood for some stellar peoples. So maybe former me was wrong and PB is on the right path.. The barely lunch has shown me the way!
  • 10 4
 Here is my two cents PB. I really like your longer form articles. When I'm browsing your site I'm more interested in reading and looking at pics and then watching videos. That said I am NOT signing up and paying for beta. I have filtered it out. I now pay for trailforks and that is about as much money as I want to spend. I am bummed that I will be missing out on what brings me to your site. I don't know what PB's operating margins are but it sucks that a lot of great content is not going to be seen because its hidden away due to greed.
  • 6 0
 Remember that it's Pocket Media's board directing the greed, not Brian et al. NSMB do excellent long form reads.
  • 2 3
 If you like the long articles then you probably should pay for Beta. The more I look over there the more its clear that Beta is more like PB for adults. Longer, well written articles that don't dwell on things I don't care about like which pro I've never heard of signed where (seriously, this was 50% of the content for a couple weeks) or a video on this chainless 26"/24" monstrosity some dude in whistler is riding. Plus there's no comments so you don't have to deal with idiots like WAKI and you don't have to hear the term grim donut any more and then read 17 reply's by 16 year olds who just cannot get over the term grim donut and think its the funniest shit ever. I love pinkbike for certain things but you can't deny the massive increase in video's vs writing.
  • 10 4
 Reviews are going to be free - except the ones we decide aren't
News is going to be free - except what we decide you have to pay for
Trailforks is going to be free - except for when we decide it won't be anymore
Video and edits are going to be free - until we decide they need to be paid for on Outside
Buysell will be free - until you have to pay to post your listing
Fantasy will be free - until you have to buy a ticket to enter

I see a rabbit hole here that I wish many of us would have identified earlier. As much as I loved the site, it seems as though access to it is going to be increasingly difficult.

It seems as though lots of large companies tried really hard to make videos sponsored and content available for us (paying for ad spots, providing bikes/kit, putting on events, etc.). I came to pinkbike originally BECAUSE it was free and I could enjoy the community as well as learn about what was going on. It was what I turned to when my local library stopped their subscriptions to the bike magazines I enjoyed so much.

I'm honestly just disappointed. I know there is a market for people buying superbikes that have disposable income to be able to access the latest and greatest media content, but for the guys riding the best bikes they can scrounge together it makes it difficult to know what we want to hear, is just out of earshot.

I'm one person, but hope my voice can speak for others
Thanks for (hopefully) listening
  • 6 0
 Pinkbike academy will eventually be behind the paywall and eventually more series will be developed and beta will be the Netflix of mountain biking. Mark my words this will turn into the cash cow they allll promised it wouldn’t…
  • 7 1
 Remember when we used to pay 5 bucks a month for each magazine that we needed to get the content that we wanted? Then the internet killed magazines. I used to buy at least $15 dollars worth of magazines every month, probably more, I bet most people on pinkbike did too. Not only did we buy those magazines but they had.......gasp.... adds in them too. This isn't that different.
  • 5 0
 3k dollar wheels, 10k dollar bikes, hundred bucks a tire, any race action I want to watch on tv needs a subscription which means more money. Plus all the stupid money on gear. Sorry not trying to sound like a cheap jerk haha But the buck stops here
  • 14 8
 I recommend not buying 3k wheels or 10k bikes, watching less TV, and riding more. That's just me, though.
  • 8 3
 I still don’t understand why it’s so ‘evil’ to want to make money from mountain bikers for providing something that people clearly want. Good on pinkbike and beta for employing people so that they can feed their families. If people don't like it they should reduce their hours at work and go to each individual bike company website and mtb athlete each day and ask them for updates on what they are doing but also remind that company or athlete to remove their bias when telling them.
  • 6 1
 You know, I'm morally opposed to paywalls, but you guys are doing a good job with this. Aside from the annoying blocked off articles that show up, pink bike still feels like pinkbike, although slightly lower quality since outside came along.
  • 5 0
 I really enjoy the Beta bike tests but why are the people giving opinions not the same people shown actually riding the bikes ? I know Anthony and Travis are good riders, I imagine Palmer is too, I've just never seen him ride.
  • 4 1
 You'll be able to see Palmer riding soon - he's joining us at the next Field Test.
  • 5 1
 I rode with Palmer earlier this week. Can confirm, the dude knows how to ride a bike! Also, in my experience, the most stylish looking riders are not always the best testers. Being able to pick up nuances in suspension, wheels, brakes, bars, etc., in back to back testing is an art. Hats off to Palmer and the entire test crew for their ability to pick apart bikes and gear and help us mortals understand how that may translate to us on the trails.
  • 3 0
 I agree, it always made the reviews seem a little disconnected given they were in an audio visual format. I've always really liked bikes/betas Bible of bike test stuff and have no doubt they are far better riders than myself but, it would feel a little more genuine if they actually held the handle bars rather than a craft beer on camera occasionally.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer:

I am so looking forward to you and Mike at the table reviewing bikes with Ryan. Talk about the dream team!
  • 9 0
 Aren’t we onto Omicron MTB now?! Beta is sooooo 2020.
  • 5 0
 I'm in two minds about this. I appreciate that people who have worked for PB for a long time are trying to maintain some sort of editorial voice and quality of content on the platform and I think that 2021 was a really great year in terms of that. The video content in particular with Tom, Christina, Henry and the field tests is really, really good and bringing Cathro on board in brilliant. The flip side of that coin is that I have ended up working for a disgusting web based media conglomerate myself and I know that despite how much the people like to harp on about content, that it is very much not actually the business they are in. They are in the business of ads and affiliate links and content is merely a small and relatively unimportant part of that model. The financial payout of good versus bad content is negligible when compared with SEO and optimising whatever you've done for clicks. It doesn't matter that you publish something hilarious, insightful or interesting that provokes thought, that bring back a memory or encourages debate. It matters how long the eyeballs spend on the ads and who clicks through. The effort someone puts into something is irrelevant next to the click throughs. Subscription is marketed as a way past this - a way of encouraging passion and engagement with the audience that takes away the dirty stain of ads and clickbait, but really its just another revenue stream. Just another column in a spreadsheet. That really sucks for the people trying to make great stuff because they're paid sod all, it's hard to write the content 'they' want unless they can market it and working in that environment destroys creativity, but it sucks for the reader because everything optimises towards the point of maximal engagement and ad delivery. I'll keep reading PB and I'm sure that you'll be doing your best to create great content, but the current model for specialist mediaof any sort is in a really, really bad state.
  • 1 0
 I put paragraphs in that thing as well and my formatting got lunched, And I forgot about Elliot and a bunch of other people. sorry.
  • 8 3
 I would be less opposed to a subscription if I knew that not a single cent landed in that insufferable ceos pocket. Only pb podcast I had to switch off after 15-20 min because I just couldn’t listen to that jerry yapping about his cv and „return of investment“ and all the other stupid shit he’s done to squeeze money out of people to buy more gravel bikes.
  • 6 0
 So in the save vein as showing readers how to use a VPN to watch geoblocked races, will PB be doing an article about how to use reader mode in the browser to read beta articles for free?
  • 2 0
 Nvm, it's probably just a preview of the text anyway. Down vote to oblivion please. Teach me to try and be sassy, best left to the pros.
  • 10 5
 Outside of Trailforks, which I only use for navigation, is all I care about from PB/outside/Beta. I’m done otherwise. Hopefully I can drop Trailforks soon too. Mountain biking is super fun, but mountain bike internet content and the industry mostly as a whole just isn’t fun, or interesting anymore.

Bye PB, was a good run, you’re just a YouTuber collective now.
  • 5 0
 If PB goes complete to paywalls, they will lose a lot of viewers. Other websites will likely try to implement the PB wild, wild, west, merit-based style of comment section to capture those viewers. This comment section by far is one of the best comment structures which is one of the big reasons of the success. It gets people constantly coming back to comment, debate, or just read comments.
  • 2 0
 Agreed.
  • 7 2
 Outside used to be a fine publication. I even subscribed to its pages for several years. Then it became “outside social activism”. It took me a while to realize the trend, but it explained why I had only leafed through the pages of the last dozen issues without reading through any articles like I used to. I let my subscription lapse.

Maybe the people in charge felt that there was more money in catering to college educated suburban whites people who go crazy for the post-secular religion of social advocacy than in the dirtbags that just want to do rad things outside. A publication profiling a person leading an inner city program to get disadvantaged kids outside does nothing about the ridiculous cost of entry in pretty much all the sports we do. Maybe it makes some readers feel less guilty about their privilege. If you really cared, you’d be volunteering for Outside for All instead of subscribing to Outside.

Regardless, I hope PB is aware of what its core constituency is and focuses on what they want, (even if it may not be exactly what I want) It may be easier for PB to keep from losing its way since MTBs are the sole thing they do, vs. everything “outside”.

Locally we’re dealing with the fallout of a Vail acquisition and the gong-show they’ve brought to town so I’m wary of acquisitions. Hopefully PB maintains its roots, but Tbh, NSMB has enough content to satiate me if it doesn’t.
  • 1 2
 Outside magazine isn’t our parent company. They got bought last year by our parent company (then called Pocket Outdoor Media), which rebranded everything as Outside. It’s a bit confusing.
  • 17 9
 Beta move calling it beta
  • 2 0
 Doesnt meta how you call it. Content metas.
  • 12 6
 Thanks Brian. For those unsure...the Beta product is very good. If you like Freehub Magazine, you'd likely enjoy Beta...well worth the money IMO.
  • 6 0
 more technical stuff please. I want to hear about the shortfalls of sram, shimano, et al components. "perception" of bias? show us.
  • 11 0
 I would like a longform article complaining about Maxxis quality control issues.
  • 8 0
 I just learned that I can hide Beta stuff! Yay!
  • 9 1
 Can we just all ride ang have a blast!
  • 7 3
 Im absolutely more than willing to support this. I have been picking up the Beta issues at my local bookstore every month and can't say enough about how fantastic they are. The stories are incredible, very detailed, and the photography is also awesome as well. The monthly fee is absolutely worth it, even more so at the discounted rate.

If subscribing to this not only saves me money (I paid way more than the subscription fee for the mag at my local Barnes and Noble), and in turn directly supports the growth of this effort, then take my money!

I've got 0 complaints here, and I look forward to seeing where this goes long term!
  • 5 1
 I subscribed to Beta to support the printed word and the contributors. Turns out they told me they don't mail magazines to Canada, but I can read it online. I let my subscription run out. The attitude was basically tough luck, which turned me off.
  • 7 0
 The guys that ran Bike Mag into the ground getting rewarded with Pinkbike/Outside money will always be amusing to me.....
  • 5 0
 “I’d rather use Beta to do stuff for the super engaged people who want more.”

BRUH if you’re on this site everyday you are ‘super engaged’ that’s why we are pissed
  • 4 0
 Someone might of said said this before but i didn't read them all.
Pinkbike is the best. No other mountain bike media has come close.
Mountain biking is a niche sport, it has its foibles but we love them
Pinkbike is important, it was the fist social media account i had and now im off all the others (they rot your brain) its the only one i use because i love the sport.
Not 100% what im trying to say but f*ck it thanks guys
If you dont change all good, if you do all good to, still the best in the biz
Elliot
  • 9 2
 This site looks like a session.
  • 5 1
 Is the PB team going to be making any trips to CO to visit "company headquarters"? And if so how about a bandit enduro/dh race? Show up, ride, party...no registration, waivers, ride and show at your own risk...
  • 5 2
 @brianpark-Been waiting for this post for a while now. I appreciate that you took the time to think it out-tough crowd here. I am in, more that willing to give Beta go. I am very happy to contribute to my favorite content providers. Just do me a favor, make sure the PB staff gets a share in the windfall.
  • 6 0
 Are the Photo Epics going to stay on Pink Bike? Those are my favorite posts
  • 1 1
 Yep the usual Photo Epics and world cup content will stay on Pinkbike. But Beta will do a ton of photo based stuff too—Anthony the photo director is a legend and has some big ideas. I'm also working on improving the Beta photo article format, so that members get super high resolution images, etc.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: Does this mean pb will continue to look like a website built in a garage until their mothers told them to play outside?
  • 4 1
 Is beta digital (no print) going to be an option? I would happily pay $2 per month for the rest of my life for that as it would feel like actual value. I see that there is the limited 50% off magazine + digital. But keep it at $2 for digital only and you can take my money immediately. I honestly think many of the current PB readers would follow.
  • 2 1
 Also you could make it a limited time offer, as did trailforks when it went subscription. It would be interesting to see how many people have stuck with trailforks at the ultra cheap rate.
  • 2 1
 @IMeasureStuff: it's $2/mo for digital + print right now, and I think you can just not sign up for the digital version if you don't want print. Is that what you mean?
  • 1 1
 @brianpark: No, $2 per month for digital only. I would not think twice about signing up for that every year.

That said, I'm assuming most of the content in the print version will also be part of digital.
  • 4 1
 I also assume the $2 per month subscription reverts to $4 after 1 year.
  • 3 0
 I definitely understand why companies are going subscription. Sadly besides backing up my computer to the cloud (along with 2 locally) I will not pay for subscriptions. Retirement comes first for me, and all these subscriptions can eat away quickly at that goal. Good luck as I think the PB crew are great, but few sites get advert money from me since I block many advert hosts. (This does break things sometimes)
  • 3 0
 Here's my one suggestion- improve the navigation of the video section. You've get a huge and awesome archive of videos but navigating through all the crap to find the good stuff is not easy. It should be possible to sort them in different ways- length, country, views/ number of favorites, etc. and please offer larger thumbnails! Right now choosing a "size" actually just determines how much extra info is with the thumbnail- the thumbnail itself remains the same size.

You're underutilizing this resource.
  • 5 2
 "We’ll be using the Beta membership model to work with more of the sport’s best writers, photographers, and filmmakers."

Meaning, we will see less of the "best writers, photographers, and filmmakers" on PB unless we pay...
  • 3 0
 We all used to pay for content when we bought magazines, but we got something physical in return. I know “they’re working on it” but us down south still front get something physical. And when we do, I wonder how much extra we’ll be charged…
  • 1 0
 Aiming to charge the average difference in shipping for everywhere out of the USA once that's up and running. Hopefully sooner than later.
  • 7 2
 Um, no thanks pinkbike.

You have already monetized my viewership by pumping me full of advertisements, I’m not going to pay you to do it
  • 5 3
 It's late in the day and I'm trying not to be salty, but it costs money to make things. And if you don't want ads, subscribe—then there's no ads on PB or Beta. Smile
  • 5 0
 @brianpark: as long as there are other options that don’t have a paywall I’ll pass
  • 3 0
 @Corkster9: adblock works wonders. I haven’t seen an ad on here in years
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: will there be sponsored content on Beta?
  • 7 1
 So wait, what am I supposed to be angry at again? I need a PB grievances guide!
  • 1 1
 Don’t over think it. “Im angry, this is an abomination, back in my day it was better, profits and money.”
  • 8 5
 I'm really interested in learning why Saint brakes haven't changed in a decade. But not "super engaged" enough to peek behind the paywall. Not ever. Not even once. Nor am I super engaged enough to read a long form article on why Beta/Outside+ subscribers prefer to ride up roads in short-sleeved rain jackets while discussing ebike battery standardization, the content of which article will forever be hidden to me behind your paywall. I can only assume there is a direct correlation between being an Outside+ member and the douchier side of mountain biking.
  • 3 0
 well i absolutely looked forward to a daily read on PB for my newsread but yeah…it has been slowly shifting to “other news”, “other perspectives” and away from what attracted my attention years ago. but that was…years ago. New metrics are now being applied an now theres Beta. Beta is here to “craft” more “insightful stories” for the “member readship”. but I dont really “need” to have it everyday as my newsfeed. but…I was lazy. there it was. full of articles on DH and Freeride personalities, athletes, events and gear. and presented in a manner that felt inclusive. Beta is not inclusive. It is exclusive. And thats the point. Its so, so special.
  • 7 2
 I don't have any current subscriptions, and won't be paying for this content. I've already paid enough for the sport, this is only mild entertainment.
  • 6 1
 People who think paying for Beta is a good idea are the ones who are okay with the ridiculous bike prices that keep sky rocketing
  • 1 0
 #Ebikes
  • 3 0
 Thinking of both Beta and PB as the same unit is different feeling. Reading Beta, like Bike before it, always felt like the polished, professional production. PB always felt like the work of a bunch of bike-mad kooks that enjoyed talking bollocks.

The Bike/Beta test videos always epitomized this difference to me. One had artistic shots with Travis waxing philosophical about the bike in question while the other had some tunes and Levy invariably falling into bushes.
  • 1 0
 Aiming for Travis waxing poetic about Levy falling into cactus.
  • 4 0
 if there are more "thrilling" articles like "Why Shimano’s Saint Brakes Haven’t Been Updated in Nearly a Decade" I really like to save my money and rather get an ice cream in the middle of winter for the money saved
  • 5 1
 Ugh! Outside, just sell Pinkbike back to an independent owner. Run Beta as your subscriber model and leave Pinkbike to be the weird core home base it’s been since the beginning.
  • 3 0
 I think everyone on here would be perfectly happy if you just opened up comments on the Beta article titles, but kept the articles behind the subscription. After all, no one reads the Pinkbike articles before they comment anyway!
  • 2 0
 Comments are hopefully coming to Beta.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: we just want to comment on the titles for free!
  • 5 2
 Bet all the whiners on here have Netflix subscriptions, pay $5 for a coffee and used to buy print magazines for $10 each month when they existed. But god forbid we pay the folks at Pinkbike for their WORK!

I jutst wish i could get a print version of BETA in an Australia without all the extra hurdles.
  • 7 1
 I have my doubts, but let's see where this goes
  • 4 0
 Regardless of paywall or free content; bias towards advertisers, sponsors, etc will remain if for no other reason than to have access.
  • 5 0
 Members of the subscription service should definitely be called Master-Betas.
  • 4 2
 I'm all for giving credit (ie paying cash) where credit is due. Creating good content is work and work deserves a pay. Of course I would not mind getting everything I want for free. But I don't epect the world to work that way. The teasers I saw haven't convinced me yet that Beta is worth my money but I really don't understand all those who bitch about the paywall. If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold is a phrase I heard before. I would add to that: if you can't get what you want for free you're apparently not worth enough. Not in the sense of your value as a human being, but your monetary value to advertisers.
  • 6 2
 We're not implementing a paywall, we're just linking to stories at Beta that are behind a paywall. Completely different than a paywall!
  • 2 0
 What would be more useful is a realistic estimate of everything that will be made into a paid service. Already more items than initially thought are being made into a paid service. Giving everyone an honest estimate about what will eventually be paid would make it easier than slowly chipping away at free services. Rip the bandaid off or every time something changes this will come up.
  • 4 0
 Thank you for posting Beta articles on pinkbike. I've found out how to read whole articles without needing to make an account or buy a membership.
  • 1 0
 Shhhhhh
  • 5 2
 I’ll pay $6000 for a bike but no way I’m shelling out $50 a year for a subscription. I also don’t have any subscription based entertainment apps like Netflix, nor do I have cable or DirecTV.
  • 3 0
 I like to read the first few lines of the Beta articles and guess the rest. Funnily enough it always ends up in a competition that I win every time. Im waiting on a lot of free stuff Pinkbike.
  • 2 0
 Too new to complain about change (I do hate it). More than change I cannot stand having things forced on me so my biggest concern would be constant nudges to subscribe to Beta, too much and the 2-year-old-me will have a massive strop and cancel everything!

The other fear is seeing the PinkbIke team's content diluted or missing out because while PB doen't have a paywall the loophole of moving it to Beta's means missing out. Full disclosure, I will likely subscribe to support Pinkbike (despite the technical editors apparently being wrong most of the time and Levy in the pocket of big chamois), I just need to think of it as a Patreon. To that end, will there be a digital only offer? Could you make an offer for people who don't want or can't get the Beta magazine, Patreon style?
  • 3 1
 Not sure it'll work but good luck, I tend to pay for this stuff when there are educational or financial gains. MTB is a hobie and there is so much free content out there beyond PB, especially on YouTube. If you start to put inaide the tape and content like that you'll probably get my money.... you'll piss a load of people off along the way though lol
  • 4 0
 Did you know you can get around the Beta paywall by simply clicking the 'Reader View' in any web browser? Even preserves pictures...
  • 2 0
 I subscribed to beta in September but no print issues so far. I know there is a paper shortage, is it actually being printed and shipped currently?

I was a little disappointed when Ferrentino didn't make the jump to Beta, but now have you lost Engel also? I don't see any mention of him.

Yes I am a grumpy old man.
  • 2 0
 You should be getting issues. Are you sure you selected it during your signup process? It’s not super intuitive. Send me an email with specifics and I can have someone look into that for you.

Yeah we were bummed for Ferrentino to go elsewhere last year. Travis is still part of the crew just working freelance rather than staff.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: Thanks! Just sent.
  • 2 0
 Remember when we all made fun of pinkbike because we knew that content was going to get pay-walled despite them saying "don't worry it won't"... Is anyone really surprised that we were right? Next nail in the sell out coffin is probably gonna be pay-walling their video content too since they just said that's not gonna happen. What an unfortunate fall from grace.
  • 3 1
 Not sure if anybody caught in the article that they think Beta will cut down on biased reviews of products. So you realize Pinkbike just admitted that they give biased reviews of products. How come when Pinkbike does a bike review there is suddenly an advertisement for that same bike on the front page of the website , coincidence I think not.
  • 4 1
 Perception of bias, not actual bias. There's no such thing as an unbiased review, but ad sales absolutely doesn't have any effect on our tech team—they generally have no idea who's spending what and when. To be clear, there's no pay to play or pay to win with for reviews on Pinkbike OR Beta.

Usually when there's a review coinciding with an ad, it's the day the bike is launching.
  • 2 0
 @brianpark I'm noticing that @notoutsideceo has been dark as long as the Beta website and most of their socials. I know that I'm far from the only user, let alone Beta subscriber, feeling alienated by the seeming lack of transparency over the last couple of weeks. I understand that there are things that take time, especially when delicate and/or complicated. I suppose I'm posting at all out of an effort to express that there are some who are waiting as patiently as we can, but are still concerned and would appreciate an update and reassurance if at all possible. I'm hoping that my patience proves to be well worth it.
  • 8 6
 Pinkbike has lost it's way with core content.
Rider created stories; shorts(vids); pic stories.
It's either not that great product news or sponsorship gossip.
Hopefully beta helps.
  • 3 0
 Don't mind paying and almost subscribed but you guys should include the beta mag as a digital version for everyone, especially those outside NA who can't get delivery.
  • 3 1
 If you're an Outside+ member, you can see the digital version of the Beta magazine here: https://www.betamtb.com/magazine-issues/
  • 3 0
 @sarahmoore: thanks, that's great, I didn't know that. Perhaps the suggestion would be to change the copy to call it out. My take was that NA subscribers get the mag and everyone else gets nothing.
  • 3 0
 @dwojo: I've updated that line in the article to include this link - thanks!
  • 5 0
 What about Advent? I need to be able to complain about not winning. Wink
  • 8 0
 Lots more opportunities for you to complain about not winning going forward! Smile
  • 7 3
 Bring on Mike Ferrentino. I quite enjoy his almost Gonzo writing style. Beta lost a great contributor to NSMB.
  • 1 0
 Hei mates, considering everyone exist to move on step closer to their dreams, evolving, wanting something new or more, so changes are welcomed, when there's consistency, disclosure, open hearts and keeping the great stuff on pb free . So good luck and if there'll be grateness on Beta i'll give it a try...
  • 4 1
 Will one be required to prove that they are a super engaged person before adding content (in long form format of course) to the Beta comment section?
  • 1 0
 I would't mind paying for content, after all I spend money for MBA for years. But so far the Beta MTB content is just not something that really interests me. Looking at Betamtb it seems that there is about one new article every 2 weeks- for $4 a month that's a bit steep.

Keep up the positive attitude in the comments everyone!
  • 1 0
 I don't even care where my reviews come from as long as they're honest and make sense. Granted some of beta's early articles were awful. Telling about how the bike "had this profound feeling of blah, blah, blah." Just tell us how the bike actually rides! The more recent beta articles seem to be more on point. Thanks pinkbike for stepping in and fixing their content Smile

To be fair, none of pinkbike's reviews on Giant bikes line up with the other bike review places though. The articles don't make sense. Flow MTB said the Trance and Trance X felt fast and grippy on the climbs. Both got praise on the downhill as well. You guys had a bunch of issues with them though.
  • 1 0
 Kinda sounds like a BikeMag relict, where very similar lingo was used, more like art than bike reviews sometimes...but I think someone mentioned a decent # of BM staff are now Beta (they subbed to Beta I guess ?) and that the name BikeMag couldn't be carried forward for (-add whatever BS legal or marketing reason here-) - but maybe I'm wrong about this.

They've addressed this bike review many times in the podcast and I can't recall the last one but for me PB's reviews are still legit, just as the glowing Giant reviews are - riders are different in all possible manners, and have completely diff't views, so this should be expected. You even see that here in the comments: YT are gods and YT sucks (or whoever). Its like reviewing beers or tacos or cars or dogs or political parties...there's just now way anyone's gonna agree about it all. I would argue that opposing reviews are fact even better if substantiated because they are not pulled out of thin air and its better than reading all glowing or all shit reviews. Just saying the disagreement and the truth between the lines is probably more interesting than all pats-on-the-back, etc.
  • 5 2
 I just wish Beta had a more Alpha name haha. Really is a rubbish name though... Beta? No one wants a t-shirt saying "Beta" apart from software developers
  • 4 3
 Having recently checked out BETA the content actually looks decent and I would consider subscribing. At the price of $2/month for full access to PB and BETA you are getting a lot of MTB content. You don't have to like it but you don't have to complain about this either. They basically just guarenteed continuing free PB content.
  • 5 2
 Seven cents a day? I’d do it, but that’s gonna take money away from some starving child I’m feeding for just 10 cents a day.
  • 11 10
 Nobody likes a paywall but bitching over $2 a month from you're $1500 Iphone that costs 50x as much on a monthly basis?
If $2 a month will make a difference in you're life the last thing in the world you should be doing is reading about bicycles on the internet.
  • 6 5
 It's the priciple, and what it means long term. Try thinking for a change, you might learn something about yourself...
  • 4 0
 I'm still trying to figure out how to hide ebike stories from my news feed. Beta stories are the least of my worries.
  • 2 3
 Dont hate #Ebikes are wayyy cooler.
  • 3 0
 I'm allergic to paywalls. Bad symptoms. Itching, rash, feverish, increased blood pressure, hives, swelling, cold sweat, fever, etc.
  • 2 0
 Mmm... I'm not sure that a physical magazine makes sense for a lot of people - maybe charge less for a non-paper version?

Also what might get more people on board is if they knew that X% was funding the Pinkbike DH team.
  • 1 0
 I visit PB a lot for my daily toilet reading - there you have my bowl-movement-schedule internet - and am all for paying for what I use. But as an international reader I feel like I'm missing out. I already purchased Trailforks because I wanted to support it while I cannot use it on a regular basis (no official trails around). So I get a lot less for the se amount.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark
I would like to sign up for Beta but it does not allow me to use my email. Says that it’s already being used in another outside website (pinkbike). I’ve little patience for email and password stuff so some guidance would be appreciated!
Cheers!
  • 1 0
 I think you can just login with your PB account credentials, and complete the purchase. Fire me a message if that doesn't work.
  • 2 0
 I didn't realise the pinkbike staff had been working for free for all these years, they're such good folks they deserve a pay day, a man cannot live on free bike components alone.
  • 3 2
 I think most people are not going to pay... I know I wouldn't pay for this information. Most of it will make its way onto the internet one way or the other so you're not going to have to pay. When was the last time somebody bought a CD to listen to music it's free on the internet everywhere whatever song you want at anytime.
  • 1 0
 I'd be interested in subscribing to Beta but the signup page is a bit confusing for people who don't live in the US. For instance, is the Beta subscription price the same for people who will get the print copy versus those who don't? How much is the subscription for just digital access?
  • 3 2
 I really like Pinkbike. Judging by the number of comments it seems like a lot of people do. The change from free to pay is hard to swallow. I know that's not what's happening in me immediately but it's what we all suspect / fear. However if I am objective about it I know that this site is my single favorite site and worth paying for. I'm also pretty sure having to pay for it will change it irreparably because so people won't be willing to pay.

Sooner or later I'll pay for beta. Right now the only article I've seen that I really want to read is the one about Saint brakes. I know you're working on it but I want to reiterate that comments will be essential on beta

As to the many people who seem to not like unrestrained capitalism. It's hard for me to understand the energy put toward complaining. For many of us this is our system. If you don't like it I hope you vote, assuming you have the opportunity.
  • 5 2
 It’s interesting that paying $2 a month for something that clearly provides value - we know that because of how upset everyone is about it - is perceived as “unrestrained capitalism” by so many. I dunno, all this griping to hold onto the tiniest scrap of currency seems pretty peak capitalist to me.
  • 1 0
 I won't sibscribe to anything "outside" any more than I'll renew my subscription to "alpsarica flyer". Just getting to dang uppity for me. I could give a RAF about "kinematosis", and ride what feels good without the need for justifying the validity of my gut with some made-up "engineering" lingo. I prefer well worn raggedy cotton & wool over lycra (including the new crop of reworked thermal tights). Can't wait to get shed of my late-model plasticky POS "voondur" bike. Back to alloy. Still don't get it? Still more about bling than bang? Would rather live in an LA (or Denver) closet, rather than a cabin in de wooods? Still think trail dogs are an abomination to the senses, instead of unbounded joy worn on the sleeve? Yearning for an underpowered whiney motorcycle being marketed as some kind of "e"POS? Spend half your paycheck for a GQ haircut, believing with all your heart that it'll lead to wuv twoo wuuuuv? If that's the case - then by all means. These insincere electrolick "journalists" will just LOVE to see your 2cents/day. And you can go right ahead death-scrolling your way through this stuff during your 40minute morning constitootinal, and feeling better about your fantasies. Dirt Bag Riders UNITE! Ride what you like. Take yur trail dog everywhere. Drink some beers. Laugh a LOT. Meet folks with smiles & a handshake rather than some kind of boolsheet "locals only" glare. Don't listen to the taunts of 13-year-olds riding $15k bikes bought by mommy & daddy. Their brains are still about 15 years shy of maturing. 25-30 years for guys who even then won't have full control of there testes. Fight back against GQism. Wear what's comfy that you made yurself. Learn how to fix yur own bike fer cryin' out loud. And spread the joy by word of mouth. Find your own trails. Forgo trail maps in favor of experimentation & reliance on a sound memory. And asschew all of those who - while standing on your shoes & wearing a false smile - would have their hand in your pocket. How many salesmen does it take to shingle a roof? Hells bells, I dunno. But it'll be dang cheap. There's more of them than demand for them.
  • 1 0
 Can we at least get back to both Beta(Bike Mag) and Pinkbike each having separate holiday giveaways?! I'm sure Outside can support that. I subscribed to Bike/Beta and Outside before all this happened anyway so at least I get Trailforks thrown in the deal now.
  • 6 1
 @mikealive

@scromblet

Why dont you two exchange emails?
  • 1 0
 Well... Can't say we didn't see this coming, but this truly is the end of an era. The glory days of mountain biking are over. Money, regulations, and more money. That's what we can expect for the future of the sport. The big companies will get bigger and the small ones will get bought out by people who don't even own a bike and look at the market with dollar signs in their eyes. I am genuinely sad that pinkbike sold out. I hope my predictions are wrong... But... We all know they're not. It was good while it lasted...
  • 1 0
 I wonder if we could all go back in time, knowing what we know now, if PB said 'hey all, we want a bigger budget for some cool projects we can't afford right now, and we want to fairly pay all the editors and contributors in-house, so we are going to either start asking for a few bucks from you all, or sell to Outside' how it would be received. Would the average pb user be happy to pitch in or just be sour they asked for money?
  • 1 0
 Just came to say I've renewed my Beta sub for a second year, and I don't mind doing that at all. Keep up the good work. I don't care who owns the company - the content is worth the sub. I pay more per month for Netflix, and I get more out of Beta.
  • 1 0
 So ads/reviews will be free and articles will cost a membership? Sorry pinkbetabike but there are some things riders need and a lot of things riders don't...heres a short list.

needs; trails, beer, bike shops.

Dont needs; punctures, fruit in beer, paying money to read about mountain biking.

P.S. the best trails are the ones knowbody talks about.
  • 1 0
 As a 20+ year subscriber to Bike Magazine, I was excited to see it resuscitated in the form of Beta and immediately subscribed.
After experiencing the absolute total lack of customer service given by Outside Magazine (6 emails and counting to get one simple question answered) along with the total impossibility of actually reaching a human being at any Outside-owned company, I now see that, while the writers of Bike may have moved to Beta, the soul of Bike did not.
Beta is simply the mtb chapter of Outside.
That's not a compliment.
  • 1 0
 I have not seen or heard (pod) any update on the BETA shutdown. It seems like a low blow for the last article on BETA preserved on the front page is a middling e-bike review. For a media company, Outside seems to be struggling with communication and transparency.
  • 4 0
 How did the name Pink Bike come about?
  • 11 0
 Radek wanted to be sarcastic since all the other websites back then were like HARDCORE XTREME names.
  • 14 3
 @brianpark: you get alot of shit for changing and charging money etc, just want to say thanks for this site and all the hard work and tough descisions (i cant spell) you must be doing. Thanks, and good luck ahead
  • 5 0
 So, Beta is NSMB now?
  • 3 0
 I almost signed up for Outside+ but so many of the perks are USA only...no sale. (yet)
  • 2 0
 How about an indicator on the RSS feed? "[Beta]" prefix or something? Can't see the badges, and the profile toggle doesn't work for the feeds.
  • 1 0
 This would be awesome! It's very disappointing to click into an article from an RSS reader only to discover it's a Beta article.
  • 4 4
 I have been a subscriber to bike for many years, and I like beta and pinkbike. Looking forward to more high quality content and more writers/presenters. The quality in both has already bedn so much higher than in most product-placement financed outlets.

Cheers to the merged team!
  • 5 3
 The mere fact you guys got a vision and a plan makes me feel so much better with this. Very hopeful for the future! Thanks for everything, let's grow this sport!
  • 1 0
 Its a good deal for the Beta subscription only but the full membership is not a great deal for those that live OS and/or already have a Trailforks Pro subscription (especially at the earlybird discounted rate)
  • 6 2
 How dare you offer me a years worth of a printed magazine for $24
  • 3 0
 Is Travis Engel still a part? Maybe I missed his mention. I could listen to that dude introduce bike tests for days....
  • 1 0
 I was thinking the same. Hope Travis is joining
  • 2 0
 Travis is freelance, but is still doing a bunch of writing for us. Not sure you'll hear his dulcet tones on this spring field test though.
  • 1 0
 Hey @brianpark I tried to sign up for the Beta @ 1/2 price, but it told me I already had an account with my email address and to sign in with that on beta, which it would not let me do. Any help here would be appreciated.
  • 2 0
 That's a new one to me. I don't totally know what I'm talking about here but I *think* your PB account serves as a single sign on for Beta. Are you trying to sign in when you're already signed in?

Fire me an email with the details and I'll have someone dig in further. brian.park[at]pinkbike.com
  • 1 0
 @brianpark:
Yeah same thing with me. Using my PB credentials, I tried to sign into beta to purchase a subscription and it doesn’t like my email or password.
  • 3 0
 In other words: "Here's what the bean counters have told us is gonna happen".
  • 1 0
 So from 1992 to about 2007, I paid annual subscriptions to several mtb magazines. Then the internet. Now they’re asking for subs again? Seems...fair. Prefer to subscribe to PB though.
  • 2 0
 Might sound stupid but does a beta subscription directly support PB? I love PB. Want my dollars to go to PB.

Sincerely, your dumbest customer
  • 3 0
 Formating in Beta mag kinda reminds me of DIRT which is great. I miss that publication so much.
  • 3 1
 Clicking on a Beta link here on PB and then having to pay a subscription to get the article is total BS, not gonna happen. Very disappointing Pinkbike.
  • 2 0
 So long as a Beta subscription doesn't include print in Canada, there's no way I'm paying for it (unless priced accordingly).
  • 2 0
 Like many others, I can only budget one or two subscriptions a year. It seems like my Trail Forks Pro membership should gain me access to Beta?
  • 1 0
 Just came to point out that the "turn off" Beta articles function only half works: It works on the immediate homepage but once you scroll down and load more articles, they are still there. Fix this please!
  • 2 0
 Thanks for catching that, I've passed it on to the dev team.
  • 2 0
 What am I missing? I subscribed, but do not see Beta only articles posting to the home page feed any longer. Did it last longer than CNN+
  • 3 0
 Who from the Beta team won't be joining? I see some names missing.
  • 1 0
 And still have not gotten my calendar order I paid for in January for my son's birthday in February. No one answered my emails or Instagram messages either.
  • 1 0
 Looking forward to the new format. I love both Beta and Pinkbike and having them together will be fun and interesting. Maybe now Pinkbike can review some Evil bikes!
  • 15 16
 This is SO RAD! I personally actually enjoy good biking content and am happy to pay for things I perceive as quality, and Beta and pinkbike definitely provides though. If I wanted free, short bike clips and to just read headlines then I'd just use tiktok for all my biking content.

Don't listen to the negative nancy's in the comments, they just get upset cause they know they're asking to be left behind and are afraid to admit that =)
  • 12 15
 Not that. I won't pay to read words that someone else has written when there are so many words to read for free. Pinkbike is just something to do to pass the time between actual activities. It's not worth paying for. Basically all the same photos as all the other eleventy million bike sites.
  • 32 3
 @jaame, that's why I love libraries. So many free words.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Sure ! Back covers are free to read !
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: exactly!
  • 4 0
 @winstonstruye the main point you are missing/misdirecting is Pinkbike isn't totally 'Free' as is prior to Outside. There are ads all over it and for sure paid content (which is fine). Things change, that is life. But to insult us as if we have been getting all of this for 'free' all along is a joke. It's the same as over the air TV, ads.

Pinkbike, Outside and Beta will do what that want/need to do. I am sure some of the new content behind a paywall will in fact be great content and glad at least the PB DH shenanigans will be 'free', AKA: not behind a paywall, but surround by ads which is fine.

Rubber side down folks
  • 8 2
 @bman33: plus there is an argument that they should pay us for the data they harvest from us.
  • 1 2
 @bman33: Agreed! Wait .... what's your point? Pinkbike has ads and therefore not free, but it's OK to have a paywall for stuff that will in fact be "great content"? I think that's what I'm saying and what you're saying?

My point, was more just to call out all the people brushing off Beta without even giving in a chance (largely because they think of pinkbike as being "free")
  • 2 1
 @bman33: sponsored content is the worst of the worst.. it is fair to have a paywall if the goal is to produce independent and noBS content, like journalism should be.. but it feels like the plan here is to keep both moneys streams - from members AND the industry.. so members will end up paying to read/watch the ads..
  • 2 0
 Sorry to ask if it is obvious where exactly do I change my ‘news settings’ ?
Thanks
  • 3 0
 Go to your Pinkbike profile page, click on 'Edit profile', and then find 'News Settings' on the left side of the screen. Next, pick which news categories you don't want to see.
  • 3 0
 @pedro46 only works on the desktop site
  • 4 2
 Yay more spam on PB - this was such a fun site - good the community is still here Smile
  • 2 1
 I think that is enough. Pinkbike is earning enough so far and has capitalized enough its audience...

PS: too many "enoughs" make my point strong.
  • 4 2
 Was fairly skeptical at first, as mergers are generally wacky. But I respect the continued developments. Thanks.
  • 5 3
 We're big fans of Pinkbike and Bike/Beta mag. We're happy to continue to support the ever-growing quality content. Cheers.
  • 1 0
 Is there a plan just for all the bike stuff? I don't mind paying for Gaia/TF but I'd be happy to pay extra to avoid Outside itself.
  • 1 0
 All I want to know is when I can order your 2022 Calendar....I keep seeing ad pop up for it, but its never available, please stop teasing me, I keep thinking I have a chance!
  • 2 3
 I was wary of subscribing to Beta, but did so for the quarterly print mag. Turns out the online writing is top notch. High quality, really enjoyable stuff.

On a side note, you guys should review the Abit brand of shorts. Best riding shorts I’ve ever worn and the owner is a nice guy. Hopefully he’s got pants in the works too.
  • 4 0
 I have a pair of Abit shorts right now. Really enjoying them!
  • 3 2
 Can you at least follow Beta's lead and OPEN A f*ckING LINK IN A NEW TAB?! It is 2022, y'all. Or do they not have that technology in America's hat?
  • 4 0
 ctrl-click?
  • 1 0
 @ak-77: I mean, sure, I do that, but if they want people to stay on their site, it makes more sense to open up the link to the new dropper post in another tab so that people can easily come back. They get this, because they open the BETA link into a new tab.
  • 1 0
 If I cannot get the hardcopy print in Canada then I cannot support Beta until the mag is available. An if-then statement I wish I didn't have to write.
  • 2 0
 Ugh I know, we're working on it.
  • 1 0
 Yes, not having access to Beta print in Canada does suck. Please, for little old me, solve this (without tripling the US price).
  • 3 0
 Any know where to go to edit the"news settings" ??
  • 2 0
 Go to your Pinkbike profile page, click on 'Edit profile', and then find 'News Settings' on the left side of the screen. Next, pick which news categories you don't want to see.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: when you type this (or copy paste by now, probably) you need to include that the news setting are only on the desktop site.


For whatever reason you can't see them when using a phone unless you specifically select the desktop site.
  • 2 0
 @Assistedbygravity you have to use the desktop site.
  • 1 0
 @PhillipJ: there’s a link to the desktop site at the bottom of the mobile page.
  • 2 2
 @brianpark: yes but people don't know they need to use it because you never mentioned that the news settings are hidden on mobile.
  • 1 0
 @PhillipJ: excellent thanks
  • 3 1
 I love everything you all do and am fully on board. Keep it up and hopefully see you in Sedona!
  • 2 0
 I thought I signed up to the right thing but I still can't read Beta articles. That blows
  • 1 0
 Wait what? Email me the details and I’ll look into it.
  • 1 1
 Thanks for the honest article. It shows that you are at least listening to the core base of PB. I dig both PB and Beta and will likely give the membership a go. More mtb content in my life is better than less.
  • 3 0
 Pinkbike going direct to consumer.....
  • 1 0
 www.pinkbike.com/news/why-shimanos-saint-brakes-havent-been-updated-in-nearly-a-decade.html

I don't see this News on PinkBike start page...
Coincidence?..
  • 1 0
 If beta is funded by subscriptions and PB by adverts does that mean there is no advertising inside the paywall or do you get to pay to see the adverts?
  • 2 0
 I think it's a good deal, I mean Outside is not owned by Exxon or Chevron. Price is still a good deal.
  • 2 0
 The instant you have a paywall on anything is the instant I'm no longer visiting your site.
  • 2 0
 Just scanned the most recent set of articles on Beta. If I had paid for the content would’ve had immediate buyers regret.
  • 3 0
 This article hasn't aged well.
  • 3 1
 Is the DH Fantasy League going to be pay walled?
Lourdes is coming quick!
  • 3 0
 Nope! Smile
  • 3 0
 Nope, free as always!
  • 8 2
 @karl-burkat: can top commenter ride Grim Donut this summer?
  • 13 1
 @brianpark: Is up and comer Cen Bathro going to be the budget pick of the year?
  • 2 0
 travis engel? did i miss that tidbit?
  • 2 0
 Travis went freelance last year, but he's still doing a ton of writing for Beta.
  • 2 0
 and mike ferrentino. good writer. is he part of this future?
  • 16 0
 He's on NSMB. Spinning gold
  • 1 0
 I don't think so. Frown
  • 4 0
 He's at NSMB now, has a few articles already up.
  • 3 0
 I think he is over at NSMB now
  • 4 0
 he's hanging out @ NSMB these days.
  • 1 0
 so, apparently not. seems he bailed on beta over the summer and moved on to another website. answered my own question. ah, well, nevertheless...
  • 3 0
 @aschohn: yes, the google machine agrees. i wasn't following his stuff since it was behind the paywall at beta so i didn't notice when he bailed. he was the best part of the test videos, too, but times change.
  • 25 26
 Just wanted to leave a comment with a massive f*ck you to outside and pinkbike for posting an article about a dead legend’s legacy and hiding it behind a pay wall. Scummy as f*ck.
  • 6 13
flag Saucycheese FL (Feb 18, 2022 at 11:45) (Below Threshold)
 There's hundreds of other articles on Steve's legacy that aren't paywalled
  • 8 0
 @Saucycheese: sure, but that doesn’t make this any less scummy.
  • 4 0
 @Maxwrbike: Agreed, that was pathetic and disrespectful.
  • 2 0
 So how do you access these alleged new settings?
  • 2 0
 Go to your Pinkbike profile page, click on 'Edit profile', and then find 'News Settings' on the left side of the screen. Next, pick which news categories you don't want to see.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: that doesn't work on mobile. Settings are only on the desktop site. There are probably quite a few phone only users who can't change their settings because of this.

Not that it's not possible but no one from Pinkbike mentions it.
  • 3 0
 @PhillipJ: scroll to the bottom of the page and find the desktop desktop version link.
  • 2 0
 I spend more time here than on bike.
  • 1 0
 @jamessmurthwaite: but I spend few thousands each year for bike and nothing for bike media
  • 2 0
 Because the world needs more Courtney content
  • 6 3
 Sounds wank
  • 3 1
 Bring back Vernon Felton. That guy rocked!
  • 3 1
 Trying! We miss Vernon.
  • 1 0
 Huckin' Henry picture should read: "Henry smiling while the world's on fire! "
  • 4 0
 Truly a clever photo for the article
  • 1 0
 Some good looking articles from the old bike mag guys ..we'res ferintino by the way...just hate outside so much
  • 3 0
 Welcome to the Betaverse
  • 1 0
 Oh snap..... been working on my review game.....would love to join the review team to add a joker to the lineup.
  • 2 0
 whatever happened to "Cash me Outside" girl anyway?
  • 3 1
 Making bank on Onlyfans
  • 1 0
 @JohanG: got a link?
  • 2 1
 Will articles behind the paywall run through a copy edit and check what length travel a bike is? Wink
  • 2 0
 I'm going wherever Kristin Butcher has something for me to read.
  • 1 0
 Im really looking forward to the pinkbike race team, would it of been achievable without outside? i dont know.
  • 1 0
 Some people blame Outside, but do you remember how PINKBIKE made Trailforks' payments ?..
Coincidence?...
  • 5 4
 This feels like a soft transition into pay only service. That would be sad.
  • 3 0
 Trust your feelings..
  • 1 0
 Generally opposed, but not honestly sure why, so took a "three inner tubes" $24 flyer.

Maybe Beta will be the new Bike?!
  • 3 2
 14 years following this page! No I have to pay for full access? Not cool and I am not part of the 1%.
  • 4 1
 Still free at vital.
  • 3 1
 Canada is beginning to look more like America with each passing day...
  • 2 0
 Outside is to Pinkbike what The New York Times is to Worlde.
  • 1 0
 as a almost daily visitor for 20 years, and member since 2004, i hope pinkbike remains the same for the Alpha users!!!
  • 1 0
 I like it. As others have mentioned a free trial would really be the deciding factor.
  • 2 0
 Agreed. CyclingTips is trialing a metered paywall and I'd love to bring that to Beta. We'll see!
  • 1 0
 Here's an idea: Hire an experienced UX designer and fix the site. Its almost ususable in mobile.
  • 1 0
 If they start charging $$ to read these comments, I’m going to lose my $hit.
  • 1 0
 This just feels like the Secret Life of Walter Mitty
  • 2 0
 Meh.
  • 2 0
 Palmer likes Evils
  • 2 1
 Internet's the devil. Get *outside and ride yer bike.
  • 1 0
 No comments on beta please
  • 2 3
 My only request is that you should have to an outside plus account to win the advent calendar prizes. Hopefully it'll cut down on fake accounts winning every year.
  • 1 0
 If it means I get to increase the print to video ratio I'm in
  • 2 0
 I don't like beta.
  • 1 0
 Can you still subscribe to bike magazines?
  • 1 0
 Please bring a word limit to beta
  • 1 0
 Is there a way to hide the beta banners along with sponsorship stories?
  • 1 0
 Looks like the PB acquisition killed off BetaMTB.
  • 2 4
 A podcast with Henry mumbling through everything? I'll pass. I did sign up for the Outside + Maxx and I am happy to see my money going to good people.
  • 1 0
 Maybe check it out - the miked him up or put him on voice-mod pills or something. It was previously a recording prob because he's got a different / lower voice & (debonair) tone.
  • 1 0
 Will Beta do giveaway?
  • 1 1
 Beta tests > field tests. Hope they can keep their format
  • 1 0
 #Ebikes
  • 1 0
 No more Travis ?
  • 1 0
 So Pinkbike is Alpha?
  • 3 4
 In before the Outside CEO!
  • 5 5
 Fake News
  • 2 4
 I think speak for everyone BETA MTB SUCKS! I hate what pink bike is doing now and changing
  • 4 7
 took me a bit to finally get around to subscribing, but Beta is generating some damn fine content. $2 / mo is a bargain.
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