Orange 322 - Proto DH Frame

Mar 10, 2011 at 9:57
by Tyler Maine  
Orange MTBs out of Halifax, West Yorkshire (UK) have released pics of their latest DH prototype platform - Codename is 322 and it's a 3rd generation of the 22X family. Expect to see factory riders like Rowan and the MTB Cut crew on these very soon.

Main changes are a lower, more active pivot and the shock has moved into downtube to give us progression we want without using a link. If you look at a couple of other designs like this, the link isn't doing much work on the shock, you can get the same progression without it.

Updates will come via facebook and twitter first, we’ll be keeping the development open so fans can follow it.

No time line for production as yet, 224 continues in production until we are 100% certain we’ve improved upon it.

-Orange Bikes


188 Comments

  • + 85
 it seems orange can't really come up with any thing totally different from the 22? range in 11 years or so that this bike design has been around other than the single pivot, times are changing orange and your staying in the old times i have had 2 orange bikes and at the time they where good but that time was a long time ago. so come on boys get some yorkshire grit going on and design a totally new frame and blow the market away and make us all go WOW instead of oh right another tweek to the 222 on wards range come up with a really good linkage bike away from the usual look of orange and compete with trek,giant,turner etc

please please do it soon as i would stay british then
  • + 16
 I used to ride but now its under the bed one of the first orange 222's made, 1999 and its feels no better or worse than a 2010 224 my mate has!! hahaha
  • + 31
 they could completley re-design the frame but what is the point when they already have somthing that works, no other single pivot can compete with it. it just depends wether you like the way the single pivot works, if you do you buy an oranage and if you dont you go and buy somthing else like a trek giant etc..
  • + 10
 tweak something that works jack, you don't need all the other blurb that comes mainly from your marketing man. I'm considering a CCDB's up orange for my next bike, because they're simple and reliable
  • + 17
 I know what you mean about bringing out new designs - i would love too see some alternative stuff from Orange but... its their USP, their frames are tried and proven to keep up with many other multi-linkage designs offered by other brands so what would they gain from changing that? if they did make radical changes to their bikes they wouldn't be anywhere near as unique, in my opinion by tweaking already fantastic frames and updating geometry, headset sizes e.tc they can keep up with the other manufactures offerings such as trek, intense, turner. Previously owning an Orange myself i know how much effort goes into to making them and how brilliant it is to ride, single pivot isn't everyones cup of tea but if they changed that then it would contradict most of the progress and development gone in to these bikes since they first started making them. not to mention the essence of the company, people don't go to orange to buy a complex, hi-tech bike, they would be looking for a strong, proven and dependable bike thats easy to maintain and set up,
guess its open to debate but thats just my opinion Smile
  • + 3
 having had a go on a 225, i can say that they are nothing like 224's, which I hate, and the 322 is supposed to ride the same as a 225 but with one pivot. This is coming from someone who doesn't like orange's, I would get a 322 if it rides like they say it will (the same as the 225).
  • + 9
 Their single pivots are lighter and just as quick in the rough. Easy to maintain and are British..Yea, multi-link suspension systems work, but all have compromises..Orange are just improving a proven, and simple design, and its still continues to be one of the sickest bikes to race, and to ride..
  • + 6
 Is that Ben Cathro's frame with the gusset on the toptube/seat tube as it looks like it's bigger than the rest of them and he is about 7ft tall!

Definitely like the look of the look of the new frame and that Orange are sticking with the single pivot design; why fix it if it is not broken?
  • + 17
 Can i just point out, that orange's single pivot designs constantly get recognition from all the mags and testers because of how good they are, if something aint broke, why fix it?
  • - 13
flag swearmouth (Mar 10, 2011 at 11:45) (Below Threshold)
 In all honesty I think that Orange is kind of stuck. Single pivot works, that is for sure. But if I wanted a well made, light, single pivot bike I would buy a morewood izimu, which is lighter, just as well built, and costs about $2000. I've never priced an orange frame, but I assume they cost more than that. Orange as a smallish company needs something that makes them different, and this point they really don't have that edge.
  • - 9
flag tptp (Mar 10, 2011 at 11:56) (Below Threshold)
 I remember my first cove
  • - 1
 I dont like oranges too much, I rode my brothers and it feels way too weird but I loved the look of the 225 and thought that they have taken a step forward and would improve on that but instead they go back to this.
  • + 1
 @thehillscrew did you not read my comment? It rides the same as the 225, but without the linkage so less bearings to replace
  • + 31
 Facepalm

has intense really come up with something that new in the last 10 years? NO they all still have VPP. has kona? NO still all link driven sp, has specialised? NO still basic FSR.

just because a simple SP is not as flash as other designs does not mean they have to change it, all long running company's just improve on what they have instead of building from the ground up every year, orange started with a design back in the 90's with the mr o, then 222, the 222 is an awesome bike, years ahead of its time (i still ride one from back in 2000), then made few changes to the 222 improving it every time, then 223, made changes to the 223 making it better, then 224, then 224 evo. they made changes to the evo to make it stiffer and stronger. then 225, mk's 1, 2 and 3. and now the 322. that is how much development has gone into this frame. each step has been an improvement. how on earth can you put al that time, money development an idea's into one frame straight away if you go and throw away all the data you have collected on a design just to start from the ground up because some just want to be surprised?

i say keep going orange, i love you your bikes feel, and proud to ride one, even if its 10 years old.
  • + 5
 Intense never came up with anything on their own to be blunt. They used to pay to use FSR and now they pay to use VPP. Great bikes, but its not like they re-invented the wheel or anything.
  • + 2
 that is exactly the point i am making!
  • + 10
 I personally love the "classic" look of these bikes. Some people may say "dated" but i think thats harsh. I think a bike like this never goes out of style, clean lines, kind of an aero-space feel. I love them.
  • + 4
 Orange pride! agree totally with bxxr-rider. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
  • - 25
flag jackterry123 (Mar 10, 2011 at 13:18) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah but they are a fucking rip off for a single pivot bike
  • + 4
 hardly! do you know how many hours and how much skill goes into hand making a frame of such high precision and quality?

HUGE amount more then you appreciate!

plus there is as much cnc work and design time gone into these frames as more complex frames that you deem worthy of a price tag high enough to make a profit, just because its a sp does not mean manufacture is simple! orange bikes are some of the most sophisticated frames on there. but because it does not used pointless links you think its instantly worth a lot less.
  • + 6
 You get what you pay for - A well made, fast and light frame made in the UK with proper attention to detail, rather than on a far-eastern production line
  • + 1
 that is very sick!!!!
  • - 12
flag jackterry123 (Mar 10, 2011 at 13:36) (Below Threshold)
 so what if its made in the uk even taiwanese frames are good quality these days orange shouldnt be charging such stupid high prices when the are so many better designs on the market
  • + 4
 'better' designs? depends what you like. I prefer the feel of a single pivot, a lot of people do.
  • + 9
 people like you jackterry are the reason the world economy is going to shit. want quality goods at very low prices, leaving company's with little profit to keep going. but because orange are a very high quality brand but with a decent price to match you want to go else where to another international company that is offering a product with less research, much lower overheads and feeding them. when you could be supporting a better product for the same price closer to home. you are just ruling out half the bike designs because they are single pivots, but orange are the king of sp's as they have more data, more time and a much larger testing program to get the right design.
  • + 1
 @whitetux when i said that i was refering to the aesthetics of the 225 compared to the 322
  • + 2
 but surely its function of over fashion?
  • + 1
 Well if they both function the same then aesthetics will matter. I am not saying the 322 is going to be rubbish I just thought that the 225 looked way better, and that Orange should have gone downthat route and developed the 225 rather than going back to the single pivot I know it will be the same as the 322
  • + 2
 essentially they ride the same, but the 225's bearings wore it really quickly, so the 322, not only has much longer lasting bearings, but less bearings to replace.
  • + 1
 I did not know that, suppose if that is the case then the 322 will be better, But I was just referring to the aesthetics when I said that the 225 was better than the 322
  • + 2
 @ jackgolfgti, why bother changin what works. reliable as hell and rides awsome. i love my orange and it does exactly what i expect it to do. some of us feel no need of improvement, if it works, its simple and its reliable then why change it?
  • + 3
 so many orange supporters above, i love it guys so nice to see such a simplistic brand still have so much dam power behind her.
  • + 2
 Single Pivots Rock!!! why should they develope something new when the old stuff still kicks ass? I love Orange and would have bought a 224 Evo if I had not an excellent Morewood Izimu... Single Pivots are the best thing ever designed in DH mountain biking imo
  • - 2
 did i say change it no i said they need to bring out some thing else to WOW the crowd keep the sp frames going but try a different angle on a full new frame so that we are all thinking wow they really have pulled in the big guns instead of going oh yeah i see how they have tweeked it for this year there's a hole in the frame not bad, it's the same old look i get if it aint broke don't fix it etc. but lets be realistic and look back to when an orange last hit a world cup podium
  • + 2
 hmm... if they want to stick with their suspension design then fine but maybe slim it down? it's not 2000 anymore, DH bikes aren't looking like tanks anymore. that rear swing arm is just plain clunky. my two cents anyway
  • + 1
 only thing i dislike about them is the biopasing where you get forced over the front and that they crack, also the way that the cranks seem to twitch in compressions , they corner amazingly though and jump so nicely
  • + 4
 Jackgolfgti - The more I read of what you've written the less respect I have for you.
I completely understand what orange are doing. They're tweaking already great products, that gives me confidence that what they've got is good. They're not going for something completely different which gives the idea that what they've got is crap.
Seems that dirt mag think it's pretty good? Could be slight british bias but there are a lot of british brands not making the dirt 100.
No World cup podiums because they haven't got a top 10 rider in the team. UK it's a different matter, ben cathro winning round 1 of the alpine winter series at innerleithen.
one final quote:
"Orange don’t make rash decisions when developing new ideas for their models and this classic and highly refined design will take some beating."
  • - 2
 your lack of respect for me is clearly because your not getting what im saying, all they seem to do is tweek what they know works and yes thats all well and good but it's over 11 years now of the same ish stuff and look and people aren't taken back by it they just nod and say oh yeah i see what's changed.

instead of orange still tweeking what they know works but at least releasing some thing totally new that makes every 1 go WOW that looks....? just branching out there range a bit more such like the new norco proto type that made every 1 go wow that looks amazing.

as for cathro total respect he rips up the uk scene and is a top rider so why can't we see a top 10 wc rider on an orange from another country
  • + 5
 why should they make something with WOW factor? maybe, just maybe, they're more bothered about making great bikes rather than impressing people and flooding us with 'super floating moto power magic hyper link' designs like so many other manufacturers. Orange do single pivots, and they do them bloody well. They ride a certain way, and thats why (as it's obvious from the comments on this article) they have such a strong and loyal rider base.
  • + 1
 you been 1 of them loyal riders, hell fire would you not like to see a totally different proto type for once just to see what else they could produce i have owned 2 frames and would never go back but if they released some thing different then maybe i would
  • + 1
 But it makes sense for them to be the single pivot riders choice? Why be a jack of all trades when you can be a master of one?
  • + 4
 Oh, yeah that Norco Prototype that looks like a Trek/Giant/ect/ect.......suppose Orange should make one of of those because Im not sure if we have enough of those cookie cutter bikes yet.

I think the point alot of the guys are trying to make is Orange is a company that produces high quality single pivot bikes and makes them in the UK. I think there will always be a market for these bikes, they have a unique look that people are fond of and there will always be those who would rather support a fully domestic brand. Not all people, but they dont have to please everybody, thats the beauty of it. Alot of successful designs are single pivot. You point out that Orange has no podiums............low blow considering the bikes have nothing to do with that. Gee Atherton does pretty well for himself on another "dated" single pivot............food for thought.
  • - 2
 people are not getting what im saying here at all im saying it would be nice to see orange branch out a little bit yes ok there bikes work and sell well but seen as you have brought commencal into this yes they "USED" single pivot and it did very well and thank you very much for just proving my point here they have totally changed there frame and developed some thing totally new for this year brand new design not just a tweek, SO I THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH DARKSTAR63 as you just gave me your own weapon loaded with your ammo to shoot you clean in the head.

to show exacty what i have been trying to say about orange why can't they do a commencal im not saying any more on this matter as this is what i have been trying to say why can't orange do a commencal.
  • + 1
 no mate I do know what you mean, but I think the brand has such strong and individual character, part of which is the look of the bikes, there would be no sense in losing it
  • - 2
 They could branch out, maybe design their own suspension linkage. being famous for using single pivot isn't really too big of an achievement, single pivot isn't exactly difficult to engineer around. The only major companies as of late that are really making progress is Turner. The new DHR is the best DH bike ive ever ridden, and it has an all new suspension linkage. Bottom line, if Orange wants to move beyond making DH bikes from 1999 they should put work into developing a new linkage, rather than beating the single pivot horse to death. Or at least make their rear swing arms less beefy, theres no reason they have to be like that.
  • + 4
 you dont know shit about orange obviously.. the whole idea of their design is to use large tubing thus increasing surface area and providing a stiffer swingarm, the swingarm looks beefy but it weighs very very little since it is well engineered and material is only used where its necessary, it needs to be of that size its all part of the engineering behind it that alows them to use such thin walled tubing yet still have a very stiff frameset that in turn is very light. orange still makes some of the lightest frames you will ever see. my patriot 7+ weights 9 lbs with a 5th element and a steel coil, for a 2005 that is practicably retarded..

being famous for a single pivot is impressive, if anyone can make a single pivot then why does orange specifically stand out? sounds like a huge achievement to me to still have so many supporters and so much success with such a great simple lightweight concept that has no need to be changed.

not to mention if you knew anything about orange you would know that they produce many bikes with different linkages other then single pivot.

before you go on bashing me, or trying to, why dont you have a look on the orange website and have a quick read and the technology and reasoning behind their designs. Also i suggest you actually take one out for a ride so you can actually appreciate the simplicity. you wouldnt understand unless you owned one cause their is so many pros to a simple single pivot design. their super easy to maintain, their light, their quiet as hell and they actually have a beautiful ramp up feel to them that may take some a while to appreciate.

another big thing is that suspension is so tunable now days that linkage designs dont matter as much as they did 10 years ago. you can rock a cane creek db or even a dh4 and set it up so you get your plushness or stiffness or what ever the hell you want.



ORANGE FTW!
  • + 1
 Can I still call it the super 8 lil brother?
  • + 1
 Id like to call it as simple as a Super 8 Wanna be ! Refined maybe but would you go out and buy a Super 8 today ?
  • + 1
 super 8 was so sick, but it weighed a tone, if it didnt weigh a tone im sure it would still be a killer bike these days, i know i would surely buy one. hell look how many people ride bullets! MILLIONS!
  • + 0
 btw how in the world could it be a super 8 wanna be if it came out many well years before the super 8? haters be hatin yo
  • - 8
flag je-sus (Mar 10, 2011 at 20:19) (Below Threshold)
 Way too bulky rear end (in my opinion), its a walmart frame with better metal, and a better shock... I bet this thing weighs a ton and a half.
  • + 2
 Man a ton of you are ignorant.

I forget i'm on pinkbike sometimes.

You're bashing on a frame you have no idea about. This is lighter than a 224, the swing arm is beefy so it doesn't flex and crack, it uses a well rounded design to achieve what it wants, speed. And swearmount, the new turners are not an 'all new suspension linkage' its a refined DW link, from Dave Weagle, who took it from the old Balfa 2-Step frame in the early 2000s.

Nothing is original these days. I'd rather have the 322 than a DW Turner. Reliability. Maintenance. Simplicity. Predictability.

Orange = Tried and true, refined and reliable, fast and LOUD. What more could you want?
  • + 2
 Once again, you are saying that norco is trying something new, well actually, they have just moved the shock location and pivot locations to change the characteristics of the suspension, which is exactly the same as what orange have done. Oh and wait...whats this??? Giant did the same, specialized essentially did the same (linkage is still the same, the bike just has different geo and a shock with a longer stroke), wow thats more company's refining instead of making something new. So please explain why orange should make something new.
  • - 1
 just read the commencal blurb your obviously on your high horse so scroll around until you find where im explaining my piece about what commencal have done as that is my point exactly. now giddy up off that horse
  • + 1
 'Way too bulky rear end (in my opinion), its a walmart frame with better metal, and a better shock... I bet this thing weighs a ton and a half.'

haha you are ridiculous! 'it's a walmart frame'?! I'll have to assume (the only logical thing to do after reading that comment) that you have no idea who Orange are and that they make some of the most expensive bikes around? As for the weight, Orange frames, because they use large monocoque (google it) sections rather than tubes, are actually very light. Steve Peat and Greg Minaar won world cups on this bikes predecessor. Say what you want about the continued use of the single pivot suspension design, but calling it a 'walmart bike' just makes you look really ignorant
  • - 2
 summit800 ! So your telling me Orange designed their first Santacruz Super 8 wanna be years before 1996 ? I highly doubt that. Am i hater ? NO. I dont like orange 222,223,224,322 and their next 10 refined Super 8. It dosent make it bad. It must be bloody perfect to be still on the market, or have a bunch of die hard retarded fans keeping it alive. The last production super 8 looked nicer imo as well !
  • + 2
 Jackgolfgti -

Before you "shoot me in the head" consider that the point I was making was that you dont need radical suspension design to win races. You sound foolish. Im finished with this debate, those that can appreciate the the simplicity of Orange bikes will buy them whether or not you like them. Others will flock to the next "suspension revolution".............
  • - 1
 you sound foolish you clown you fueled the debate by adding commencal to it and proved my point what i was saying that they have tried some thing totally new even tho there frame worked well sold well which is what i was saying orange should do that is why i thanked you for proving my point and it explained what i was trying to get across by using commencal as an example im bored of this debate zzzzzzzzzzzzzz it's the old linkage vs single pivot round about and im getting off it now all i want is orange to try some thing different jeeeeez
  • + 2
 Call 'em up and bitch then.
  • - 3
 na i'll just speak to the 2 friends i have that work for orange
  • + 3
 Do your friends appreciate you spreading the love for Orange bikes??
  • - 1
 it's an arguement we have alot it's nothing serious it's just good banter some thing you probably wouldn't get but if your into spreading your love all over orange bikes then each to there own i suppose
  • + 3
 Why do you feel the need to insult, this started as "good banter" for me too, but Im finding out your a real d*ickhead.
  • - 2
 see what i mean you don't get the banter i didn't go all harsh calling you a dick head now did i ?

i just threw in a bit of funny banter about your love for orange bikes

what i would say is your biting

so what orange make single pivot bikes and always will end of chat
  • + 1
 Anyways, this is all in good fun, enjoy the rest of your day.
  • + 0
 you to mate don't be looking at any dodgy sites for the love of orange bikes
  • + 1
 No, they block those kind of sites at work Wink
  • + 1
 very true lol
  • - 3
 Easy there e-bullies, im pretty sure im entitled to have my own opinion? and your bashing me for it, you whine like little girls when someone doesn't see something the way you do...
  • + 15
 Having owned a 224 GBR, I am stoked to see this new design. I like that Orange sticks with a tried and true set, but are willing to experiment with links to see what they can improve upon. This latest iteration will get the proper ringing it needs from the MTB Cut crew and if it's better than a 224, perhaps we'll see it at the consumer level.
  • + 1
 orange frames are light and good all round.They do not really need much of a change, they look outdated but thats about it.they are still giving all other top brand names a run for their money.from the 222 not much has changed and orange is still doing well so why would they completely change there frame?
  • + 1
 I would rather ride a frame that has been improved from an already good frame, than somthing totaly new that hasnt had enogh time to prove itself.
  • + 7
 Nice to see the evolution still evolving (or for the creationists amongst us the creation still being created.)

Just when you had won me over with the idea of a swing link!

looks very nice about time the iconic 222/3/4 front end saw a more drastic style change. love the crease on the top tube think the crease on the down tube to is a bit overkill tho and there is defiantly scope for a bit more aestheticiseing (its a designer word for 'more pretty') around the CNC punch hole in the frame.

Very excited to see what happens next to what is with out doubt the bench mark DH bike.
  • + 8
 Looks good. Long live single pivot.
  • + 4
 i completly agrre with Orange! There are so much bulshit linkage suspension on the market with ratio curve that sucks, with no preogressivity... Here they have modified the damper position to get a little progressivity, which will be far better that the current 224 (which is almost regressive at the end). The 225 prototype was probably one of the worst linkage ever seen, and it a good idea from orange to forget it, as they have always sold good value bikes.
  • + 4
 its good yeah but why dont orange pull there fuckin head out of there arse and bring em into producton coz people liked the 225 and they would of bought em as i have a 225 and loads of people have askd me about it. ORANGE PLEASE READ THESE COMMENTS!!!!!!!!
  • + 2
 The 225 look's soo much better than the 322, I havnt got a clue why orange diddnt put them into production as I think they could sell way more 225's than the 322's.
  • + 0
 225 was PIG UGLY end of story and it went against everything Orange is - - reliable, simple. roll on the next incarnation, if this is where we go with Orange, and as a frequent user and buyer, I like it! lets make it simple - 1 years UK riding and racing - thats rain, and duist, , mud and guts, roots and ruts, , visits to the alps, many jet washes - NO BEARINGS and NO REPLACEMENT parts!!! thats Orange. FAST, LIGHT, AND NOT AFRAID TO STAY UNIQUE!!!!!
  • + 1
 the 225 looks almost the same as a 224 so you must think the 224 cant look that nice then... And tbh I think It would have done the company a fovour by puttung it into production.
  • + 1
 errrrm, no they don't Jack.
  • + 4
 Story time:

Back at the 2006(?) Sea Otter it is early morning and Steve Peat is walking through the demo area and realises he's just walked past an Orange DH bike in a stand. He stops, turns around, goes back to the bike and smiles and gives the seat an affectionate pat and then continues on his way.
  • + 1
 and that my friend is a true story
  • + 8
 Yay still single pivot!
  • + 6
 more like the lapiere 322
  • - 13
flag joaonuno (Mar 10, 2011 at 10:19) (Below Threshold)
 more like big hit spec!
  • + 1
 i think the strange 225 had a secondary pivot but it turned out no better than a 224 so they went back to what they knew!
  • + 1
 In my opinion, i prefered the original frame design, although the strange 225 looked nice aswell...I'm not a big fan of these cut away desgns myself...
  • + 1
 the 322 rides very similar to the 225, but only one pivot. The 225's bearings were said to wear out really quickly too. And @alibrann, function of fashion surely?
  • + 1
 The 225 was still a single pivot, it just had a swing link to alter the shock progression..
  • + 17
 Will it still retain the "filing cabinet rolling down a hill" sound though? This is the most important aspect...
  • + 5
 ^Very true haha, i acctually couldnt believe how noisy they were when i first saw/herd them...
  • + 4
 ^^haha, i couldn't believe when i could hear them from inside the Fort William gondolas!! It's so funny to hear them.
  • + 1
 All you need is to take time and put proper frame protection (noise dampening ) where the chain slaps…problem solved. I have an Alpine and Five and both are completely silent.
  • + 2
 I like it, it saves people having to shout 'RIDERRR' when I'm approaching. But yeah, an inner tube with a bit of thin foam under it works wonders
  • + 1
 I always thought it was the cables running through the frame. I guess I was wrong then lol
  • + 1
 ^^it is! they have the holes but for some reason have put cable routing clip things on aswell....
  • + 1
 I assume it's because, being prototypes, they'll be messing around, dismantling it and swapping parts over a lot. you need to take the hardware off the end of a hose to get it through the swingarm which is all kinds of faff, so I guess it's easier to just mount it externally for now
  • + 1
 I'm not surprised they're noisy, the swing arm is made of speaker box. Love my Subzero btw, best hardtail ever made in my opinion.
  • + 4
 I'm personally not a fan of Orange but regardless you have to respect the fact that they aren't overloading us with false marketing BS about how it's better than what they've previously offered, which a lot of companies do. They are straight up about the fact that they aren't even sure if it's even going to be better, and wont produce it unless they've confirmed it is. No publicity stunt here, and I really appreciate that, even though i'm not a potential buyer. Cheers guys and please keep up the good, honest work.
  • + 0
 I'm surprised to see they've done away with the huge octagonal down-tubes... other than that, still the same ol' single-pivot...
  • + 3
 Bringing out some multi link system rich in jargon and initialisms just to create bumph for marketing isn't oranges style and i love them for that. Their single pivot designs work, no one can argue otherwise, so why change them to impress a group of riders who are already catered for buy the rest of the bike world and there bull shit 'revolutionary' designs? These riders wouldn't all then buy an orange.
  • + 2
 Simple... If single pivot is outdated then bike mnfrs who still made single pivots would go out of business and there would be no top riders on their bikes..... Simple, Reliable, easily maintainable. If you don't like it then don't buy it....
  • + 1
 Looks awesome. Just wished they'd have stuck with the old style hex tubes not these ten sided(?) ones with a huge ugly crevass in't middle. But still glad they're sticking to single pivot. That 225 was not good. Looked like the old mr.o
  • + 1
 Yeah guys, happy to see that the 225 won't be produced, would have been too bad to loose this single pivot spirit you are loved for !! But it's cool to see some new designs though ! being an owner of a 224 and an alpine 160, I'll follow this with attention !
  • + 1
 I do like how the shock is set more into the frame and it does look nice, But i do agree with what people are saying how its the same old same old. I think if the swingarm was re-designed it would change the whole look of the bike. At the moment its still the same boring block of metal out back, Yeah maybe its proven and proven to be strong but there is lighter swingarms out there tried and tested and are still strong.
  • + 1
 This is a perfect threat, really!
People are right if they claim that the inventions made in the last decade were not revolutionary. It is also true if the call a single pivot frame reliable and stiff and light and so on.
But it occupies certain disadvantages which are just connected to the design. "Modern" linkage frames like VPP or host link systems are tackling this issues much better. Of course also this frames have disadvantages (maintainance, weight, etc.) but in terms of performance on the track they are just way better than a single pivot.
Anyhow oranges is better off if it stays with single pivots, since they do it very well, people like them and if the change they are just the same as other manufactures.
  • + 1
 Ben Cathro just rode this "Garbage" to the 10th spot in La Besse world cup. People just don't realize that it's not the links in your suspension that makes you faster. They just make your bike FEEL different. I'm not saying the new linky winky desings don't work, I just think they don't make your bike any faster. There are many single pivots with shock activating links in the worlds top 10 like Devinci, Commencal, Lapierre, Evil and GT. Of curse how the bike feels affects your ride, but it's still in your head.
  • + 1
 What's all this nonsense about linkages? The only DH bike where the linkages are done properly is the v10 carbon and the specialized demo. The rest is just bullshit marketing hype that doesn't really work properly or are just a different version of single pivot which bike company's need to come up with to set there products aside from the rest. Look at the best selling bike of the last five years the trek session 88. Now that's just a glorified single pivot which if we are being honest doesn't preform any better than say the 224 evo Infact I'd say it wasn't even as good but if trek came out with a traditional single pivot it wouldn't have been such a success. Instead they brought out a modified single pivot with the only benefit is less brake feed back and crazy hydro formed Alu tubes which are breaking for fun when really they should have brought out a box sectioned single pivot frame with a massive shock and that's exactly what orange do.
  • + 1
 I think orange could make one of the absolute best bikes ever. They know how to make them really lite, reliable and strong. So if they applied that to a more efficient system it would set all new really high standards for bikes. Aperently, it does still work! All tho i think they should make a new bike with another system, one that isnt a decade old!
  • + 1
 Say what you want to say about the aesthetics of the Orange's design, but you have to hand it to them that they are ruthless at building a massively strong and stiff light weight frame, and those Ibeam section frame tube will increase the more so.

I wonder if the name 322 is referring to the shock/wheel ratio, where it starts at 3 and ends up as 2 as it bottoms out, hence 3 to 2???
  • + 1
 I'm repeating a lot of what has been already said but anyway...

I'm a huge fan of Orange (I've had a MsIsle, Mii, Miii, Patriot & 223) but I'm totally disappointed in this. Sure, it's that tried & tested design they've had for over 10 years but it's time to be a little daring and see if they can actually come up with anything better. Sure, they struck gold over 10 years ago with their single pivot design but they need to try something new or they won't be here in 10 years.

I also think it looks a little ugly with the shock mounted inside the downtube...
  • + 1
 Geez... How do you get a bunch of union jacks to post on PB? Talk smack about Orange is how... You guys have to realize that your pride is getting in the way of good judgment here... 90% of yall defending the Orange are Yorkshire pudding eaters (I love that stuff BTW). It's unfortunate, but ture. The design is simply the simplest. Therefore it has been done... Years ago.

I'm not saying the bike shouldn't exist, I'm just saying, don't expect any hype from the international mountain bike community because the frame is just no big whoop. Fans of this new frame are hardcore Orange fans and there is no problem with that. Props to Orange for creating the frenzy...
  • + 1
 would love to see the future version of the alpine to get this treatment. i can't fault orange for sticking to the guns but for us AM riders i always look at the development of its DH bikes for future inspiration. Although its pretty hard to actually to criticise the Alpine anyway.
  • + 2
 The one guy says hes riding a 10 year old Orange. I wish I could find a bike that will take AM and DH fun for 10 years. Innovation is good but not if its just there to make money and not real improvements to performance.
  • + 1
 Hey here's a marketing slogan for you Orange:
"Yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices, and our warranty is almost half as good as everyone else's"
Amazing!
Or maybe it should be:
"Sponsored riders? We don't have any now, but we did 5 years ago. That's pedigree you can argue with"
  • - 3
 BRILLIANT
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 YES! simply great!
  • + 0
 im not really impressed with the pierced down tube. that would mean they would reinforce that area, put more material and weld on that part which results to a heavier frame and aesthetically, it looks ugly. they could've done something better (like adding a link to activate the rear shock) if they wanted to maintain the shock rate that they think is ideal for their bikes. i guess orange wants to keep it simple: single pivot, no matter what the cost.
  • + 4
 if a lapierre and an orange fucked...
  • + 1
 They look better painted up than raw. Two mtbcut frames and one of the orange factory guys bikes will have been ready for action by the end of this afternoon from what I saw this morning. First test this weekend.
  • + 1
 i dont like the way the shoc go in to the frame 1 coz it looks funny 2 there are no shock adjustments and the 225 was much better lookin i like the 225 but doz it help the ride in any way
  • + 1
 I dont know if anybody has brought this up yet - but isn't there supposed to be a 'big british' company meant to be working with Millyard, which i thought was going to Orange? (who else is can it be?).
  • + 1
 Erm could it be saracen (if there still british?) but cant really think of any more :S
  • + 3
 Same old shit orange, but it workxxx
  • + 2
 That looks perfect to me. I love how my 223 rides, and this is likely to be even better. Keep it strong and simple.
  • + 1
 I don't really know anything about suspension engineering. That wasn't so hard to say, try it. Also, I ride a Morewood Izimu and it works pretty well. Looks cool too.
  • + 1
 Dude! Whats riding like in Soudi Arabia??? Must be wicked... First time I see someone from the middle east that rides...
  • + 1
 Riding here is okay. Rocky is always good. Sandy can be fun too, if you can surf a patch between rocky descents, but as you might guess it's easy to get too much sand here. Moto is more suitable. I'm not from here, I just work here. BC is my annual escape back home.
  • + 3
 why change something that works and is simple?
  • + 2
 i didn't say stop making the 22 range i said wow the market with some thing totally new
  • + 2
 I don't know about you guys but I tested a 222 some time back and I love it. Simple bikes rule.
  • + 1
 Does the lower pivot cause it to loose its rearward axle path? The 224 has a fairly drastic one right? And to all the single pivot haters just Fail! that's all I can say
  • - 1
 things move on so fast in a relatively new sport and a single pivot design worked 10 years ago on the courses we rode 10 years ago. With trails, courses and riding in general moving to a more demanding state i think all the other TOP brands like Trek, santa cruz, Lapiere etc are designing bikes that handle this much better. I think its time Orange caught up and research what riders want and need from a DH rig rather than keeping up apearances with old Traits and designs. I know id much rather be hanging onto a bike that is build for modern times and gets tested with world class riders Smile
  • + 6
 perhaps... although maybe its just a load of marketing rubbish to make their product sound 'superior'? you ever seen a 224 dented like a trek session88?
  • + 4
 Cathro rips any course in the UK on an Orange. They work.
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flag oonser (Mar 10, 2011 at 17:43) (Below Threshold)
 they do work, but multi pivot designs work better(: plain and simple.
  • + 2
 define 'work better', because there are a lot of riders who prefer the single pivot feel
  • + 2
 oonser/corneilious

Trek and Lapierre are linkage driven single pivots, the 225 was a linkage driven single pivot, this is a refinement, taking out the linkage, just a single pivot.
  • + 1
 thats great. and they are both great bikes. but when i say multi pivot, i speak of the santa cruz, the turner, specialized.
and EASTOFSKI, when i say works better, i mean it takes the bumps better. multi pivot bikes have much better bump compliance. wether it be a small shutter, or a nice big jump landing. and we all know what the suspension id there for right? keeping good traction to the ground. a single pivot couldn't ever keep the same traction to the ground as a multi pivot. don't get me wrong, i love single pivots, they pedal great, and offer a great ride for a wide range of terrain. i owned and raced an msc f5, and i can say to this date that it is the smoothest single pivot ride iv had. but when it comes to the rough, multi pivots will handle what you throw at it better.
  • + 1
 its nothing to do with the amount of pivots, its all about the leverage ratio. if you can acheive the same leverage ratio without an extra link then it will pretty much ride the same, if not better as there are less pivots to add friction to the movement... you simply cant generalise and say multi pivot works better because the different designs ride so differently, sure a well designed multi pivot could ride better than a single pivot.. but then again a well designed single pivot would ride equally well!
  • + 1
 its no just the leverage ratio, its the way the rear axle moves out of the way of the obstacle. a single pivot follows a simple cuverd axle path, where as a multi pivot follows a changing axle path. so each get out of the way different than the other. and i should have said it differently, multi pivots work better for a different application.
  • + 2
 Nice and smart! from the people of UK...
  • + 2
 Mass turnout from Orange at Rd 1 of the Halo BDS next weekend at Nant G!
  • + 0
 It looks like the chainguide fits, but it isn't clocked properly. Also, is there enough room for a chain to fit without rubbing on that weld?
  • + 2
 damn, it better be light haha
  • + 2
 Nice Built ! tup I want one Wink
  • + 2
 I can't wait to get my hands on it this weekend and give it death
  • + 1
 Can't wait till I get my orange 322, release is expected around may time. Can't wait till then
  • + 1
 Can't wait till I get my 322,release is expected in may some time.
  • + 0
 orange needs new suspension set up. single pivot on their flagship frame/bike for years and years...
  • + 1
 I hope the frame dies not break in the middle
  • + 1
 so uhh.... what happened to the 225??
This looks pretty fugly...
  • + 1
 I hope the frame dies not break in the middle
  • - 1
 WOW!!! i have really only one word to describe my 1st impression..... yawn. And thats coming from a guy that likes single pivots.
  • + 1
 all bike companies are imitating each other...
  • + 2
 I think its ugly.
  • + 1
 always happy to see companies actually making their own products.
  • + 0
 single pivot thought we were done with this horrible design
  • + 0
 thats the same bike they have been making for years lol
  • + 1
 the 225 a no show then?
  • + 2
 225 is no more.
  • + 1
 Sorry, mispost!
  • + 1
 the 225 was killed by the RC4 and the fact that it only really made a difference for the much larger riders
  • + 1
 such an ugly frame...
  • + 0
 im with this guy frame is super fugly
  • + 3
 Performance is more important than looks. That's why we have sex with the light off Smile
  • + 0
 fuck yes you just said that. quantity over quality my friends.
  • + 0
 wow cool another single pivot
  • + 0
 orange has very little market share in the US
  • + 0
 the hydroforming tube was the same as lapierre!
  • - 2
 pure fugly.......looks like it was made in 1960's Soviet Russia by blind farmworkers using recycled WW2 tanks and pieces of old scaffolding
  • - 1
 looks guiiiid but 225 certianly looks alot nicer fo sho
  • - 3
 Hate that single pivot!
  • - 3
 The Santa Cruz Super 8 has returned!
  • - 3
 looks just like a session 88 to me.
  • + 4
 Dude, seroiusly ?
  • + 2
 haha no not seriously, I have a session 88... This is just the first time I have ever seen a new bike story where someone didn't compare it to a glory, an 88, or some DW bike. I had to do it. I'm not a huge Orange fan, but they do make some mean bikes. I would happily ride the f*ck out of it if I had one.
  • + 1
 need carbon fiber frame!
  • - 3
 looks super siick!!!!!!!!! cant wait to see one in the flesh *drools over keyboard**
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flag BeerGuzlinFool (Mar 11, 2011 at 19:06) (Below Threshold)
 Just looks like any other 10 year old single pivot.
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 I hope the frame dies not break in the middle
  • + 3
 it's made in yorkshire. I doubt it will.
  • + 1
 Aye those Farmers know how to build there shit now to get my self one
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 oh sooo innovative orange good one lets put a big hole in our down tube for the shock and call it a big deal
  • + 3
 you sir, are a f*cking tool.
Do you actually have nothing better to do then criticize people and companies on pinkbike. get a life, your 31 (or atleast thats what your profile says) go do something productive and something that will better society and lay on a set of train tracks.
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