The Dismantling of North Fork trails in Whatcom County has begun.

Apr 4, 2012 at 10:00
by Tyler Maine  
State removes illegal biking trails, jumps from public land

By Denise Whitaker




SEATTLE -- Concerns about lawsuits have prompted the state to rip apart a number of illegal mountain bike trails and jumps in Whatcom County.

When the State Department of Natural Resources banned off-road vehicles from the land four years ago, mountain bikers stepped in and began building jumps, trails and bridges over creeks. The bikers have created roughly 50 jumps and more than five miles of trails, and department officials are ready to give them the boot.

"This is public land, it's open for public use, but it's not open for public abuse," said Mark Mauren of the DNR.

According to Mauren, the daredevil bikers could hurt themselves and sue the state.

"They see this as a fantastic opportunity, and I see it as a government employee as a $2.1 million dollar lawsuit that we as citizens would need to foot the bill for," he said.

There's also the issue of environmental impact on the area.

"There are liabilities we're trying to address here," Mauren said. "There are environmental issues we're trying to address here."

Mountain biker Matt Shelton helped build the trails and said he knew this day would come.

"So, yes, these structures were put in place to mitigate any negative impact on the landscape, but in the same regard they are all illegitimate," he said.

Even though the state's taking down the trail network, mountain bikers are still welcome to ride the forest service roads. And DNR says it's working with legislators and the mountain biking community to move forward and develop areas for bikers to ride.

Signs warning bikers not to use the illegal trails will soon be posted, and anyone caught breaking the law will be ticketed and fined.

Story from Komonews.com



Riders came from all over last weekend to enjoy the trail network, here's a look at their last weekend at the North Fork trails.


401 Comments

  • + 341
 Those trails have been there for a while, how many lawsuits have they had so far? None. The truth is the state is protected from liability because the sport is inherently dangerous. No mountain biker can claim that he/she didn't know they were taking a risk.

The trails they are destroying were the most ecologically sustainable activity at the north fork. The road building they are doing is far worse for the ecosystem. Tons and tons of sediment have been pushed into the watershed by the DNR for building roads, but that's ok because they have a permit? Bullshit!
  • + 48
 fuckin' eh!. that sir, is true.
  • + 65
 It's fine lads. Just go spend your weekends drinking in the streets. Mountainbiking is something which should be promoted. It keeps people from doing things which they shouldn't be. Almost every munro in scotland has a path to the top. What bad can a trail through a forest do? That wasted money should be used to get people off the streets and doing something which allows them to appreciate the outdoors. If that's not possible, they should at least give the trailbuilders a fair fight rather than barging in and ruining everything they have built in a matter of weeks.
  • + 14
 They are worried about land degredation and I'm sure that the trails already there were now doing not much harm but as soon as they come in and remove everything they are making everything unstable again. And I'm sure the trail will get wider as they drag things around losenong up the ground perfect for errosion next time it rains. My point it would have dont less environmental impact in leaving the trais there.
  • + 28
 That video made me sick to my stomach.
@gravityfiend, don't think you could have put it any better.
  • + 20
 besides the environmental impact the state should recognize that almost all mountain bikers especially freeriders know that they are riding at their own risk when i bail and get hurt here in montana i dont think to myself "i should sue the state" i think "well shit i f*cked that up its my fault"
another point is that those trails are well were beautiful and well built
i have seen state built trails that are a hell of allot sketchier then that and they are proud of them saying its a safe place for bikers to enjoy riding ...
this just make me sick and really hate government officials for such small minded thinking.
  • + 12
 This really piss's me off! Why work just to ruin peoples harmless fun!! Now they are probaly going to have more people comiting real crimes and selling drugs on the street and stuff.(or just build it back up again)
  • + 5
 Thats shit !!! they dont want to get sued!? what is a biker gonna go brake there arm and then sue the government for it because they have a dangerous hobby no!?!?!?!
and there building trails we can ride on? there gonna so good. jumps 0 drops 0 berms 0 fun 0
  • + 7
 The government is always whinging because illegal trails are built, when they offer us fire roads... who wouldn't go and build things if that is all your offered. They have to pull their finger out of their a**es and get together and build trails with us. Imagine what could be made using their resources and our ideas. everyone would be content riding it and the government can be happy that they are getting people outdoors, have creating a tourist industry and everyone would benefit.
  • + 6
 there is a small tear in my eye
  • + 7
 watching all of those amazing jumps landings and log rides being destroied killed a part of me Frown if the government actually wants to help mountain bikers they should help maintain and make already existing trails safer... this is murder here and holly f*ck i cant believe anyone has the nerves to destroy art like this!
  • + 2
 screw those guys, we aren't recking any thing
  • + 6
 I started to tear up watching this video... So many great times with great friends...
  • + 3
 Makes me cry..... Screw the gov!!!
  • + 13
 I seriously can't handle this. For those of us who live in Bellingham (unless you know of another trail system that's also illegal most likely) we seriously just lost our only resource of trail that is purely gravity fed. They say we still have access to plenty of xc trails around the county, but do those jumps that they're working so hard to destroy look like we want to ride uphill? They honestly just do not understand what they are doing to our community.
  • + 7
 Just to ad my two bits,

GravityFiend. You sir are damn right.

What I do love hearing is trails being destroyed because of environmental issues. Who is that deep in the forest keeping it clean and preaching the love and enjoyment of the natural resources around us? Sportsmen.
Whether its trails in Washington or MLPA shutting down miles of coastline in CA for fishing. This stuff has got to stop.
  • + 17
 Hi, My name is the Government........ and I like fucking people in the backside and taking their money
  • + 29
 Wow , just wow..............
"public abuse???"......... "2.1 million dollar lawsuit???"
Are you f**king kidding me. They play the "environment" card as well! ...okay I can play...They go drilling for oil , they destroy the marine life with countless spills....... They ruin our air with their industry...... They scar the land with mass logging and absolute careless building
......But suddenly they care...about one small patch of land. One tiny , tiny patch of land. Suddenly the mountain bikers are the bad guys?? Oh yes lets DEMONIZE the bikers in the media. The one hobby that's one of the most environmentally friendly?!? I call bullshit. God damn bullshit
.......................... I will drink to the loss of good trails and to the builders who built and maintained them. Horrible , the video actually made me sick to my stomach
  • + 5
 enough with the f*cking "lawsuit" excuse. no one even gets sued. this is f*ckin heart wrenching.
  • + 4
 I'm regretting watching that video now...
Frown
  • + 6
 fuck that pisses me off, what a bunch of idiots. people work so hard for such a good cause, using fallen trees and stuff to build, city people are cunts who have no idea what goes into building trails
  • + 8
 @ gravityfiend....Not to mention the fact that only the mtn bikers out there ever cared to clean it up. We have cleaned up sooo many tv's, refrigerator's, targets, and other things dumped on that area by irresponsible rednecks and target shooters. The reason they are tearing this awesome place down was really due to one man's complaints....only takes a few to ruin something good for everyone else. Also, it comes down to people like Mr. Mauren's paranoia about frivolous lawsuits.

The people who built and rode these trails every weekend, were REAL riders. We all knew the risks we were taking out there, and we all reaped the rewards.

Sad for sure, to see some of the stuff on moto ripped out in this video.

I will always have the memories of good times shared out there for sure!
  • + 4
 Us mountain bikers ant a bunch of sow happy wieners. we are not going to go out and sow you because we ran into a tree. the fact is we will do what we have always done. will just wait for the party pooppers to leave and then go back in and build new trails even better than the last ones.
  • + 7
 Think about the amount of tax payers money they are using to destroy the trails. I'd like to know the exact figure of how much they spent to remove the trails. The government sucks Frown
  • + 3
 believe me, I have. There is no way it costs $23k to hack a few stunts down w/ axes and chainsaws. the majority of the $$$ allocated will no doubt be spent on trees and vegetation. hahaha, yeah right. our tax dollars hard at work.

I only hope many of the people commenting on here, especially those of you who are neighbors to the north, who would come down to ride this place.

North Fork is to us what fromme, seymour and grouse are to B.C.- technical, well developed, world class, sustainable mountain biking trails.
  • + 5
 F*CK YOU MARK MORON F*CK YOU
  • + 5
 meant to say to the canadian riders on here, please write letters, both to the DNR of washington state, as well as to the county and local reps, and inform them of how much affect this place truly had on tourism, dollars brought into the area, etc.

I know personally, I will be drafting a strongly worded letter of my discontent to Mr. Mauren, and the DNR, on both how the situation was handled, and how hopefully in the future, highlighting areas such as blackrock, post canyon, and duthie hill and even the once illegal trails @ summit ridge, as examples of what can happen through proper organization and dedicated work between two groups.
  • + 6
 hi, i'm the government.
i'm working with the mountain bike community to develop trails for them to ride, but first i'm going to spend there money tearing the existing ones down that they built; and you guessed it, then spend there money again to replace them. But not to the standard that it was before; hell no, i'm going to make it shitty and cost 10 times as much as it did for you all to build it.
sincerely, your thoughtful and caring government. Smile


ps. only joking about it costing 10 times as much . . . it'll actually be 50 Wink
  • + 9
 Well everyone is doing it. Maybe we need to laugh this off..

Hello, ladies, look at your government, now back to me, now back at your government, now back to me. Sadly, it isn’t me, but if it stopped using shit scented lies and switched to being trustworthy and helpful, it could look like it's me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re on land with the government your government could be like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s a free building permit with two axes to build that thing you love. Look again, the axes are now diamonds. Anything is possible when your government looks like a democracy and not a fascist regime. I’m on a Motorbike.

no? okay , I'm done ;(
  • + 14
 I vote for removing air. Sky divers could injure themselves and sue the state. Let's vacuum that shit!
  • + 3
 And they should also ticket and fine everyone who doesn't lay flat on their back. Doing things could possibly get dangerous and lead to a lawsuit.
  • + 3
 And even worse, the citizens who were riding there pretty much paid for the city to tear the jumps down through taxes
  • + 2
 man those people who contribute to this trail destruction all deserve to fucking die if were confronted by some asshole like that telling me not to build a trail and how hes gunna get it torn down i would end up doing something really stupid and highly illegal
  • + 1
 the government shuld be bombed for destroying so many trails and ill probly have cops knockin on my door tonite cuz i said that on the internet Wink
  • + 1
 even better when you realize it's all paid with your tax dollars ain't life grand
  • + 2
 God that video made me sick...I (and all other Calgary based riders) will know the pain of trails being destroyed as well.
No tax revenue coming in from these "environmentally damaging and dangerous" trails=Illegal.
The money paid to wreck those jumps could've actually gone to putting in place a great trail system and set up a small community to help the government and bikers communicate with each other.
People seriously need to chill with the "lawsuit" issue. Clearly this is dangerous, take some responsibility for yourself. Crying to mommy or the government you got a scrape makes you look like an idiot. That's probably why these government institutions are in place, people like Mark Mauren probably got made fun of for not being able to hit any sweet jumps and just wants to take it out on people having fun.
  • + 2
 Knowing how much hard work is put into a trail, and then seeing things i would never even DREAM of being built being torn down? its absoloutely sickening. Do they not realize that we won't sue them? how many of you HONESTLY think "lets sue the government becuase of my own stupidity?" like seriously, get real. Now, one thing you guys in whatcom county CAN do is vote this guy out, and put someone new in. He obviously has NO regard for the community.
  • + 1
 why cant there be a kind of law saying if you crash its your fault .. im not saying it always is the rider but when trails get torn down it tears the heart out of every rider.. i would love to have ridden that .. instead we get stuck with 4ft jumps and any bigger then it will be destroyed ..
they want to save money but then they pay a man to ruin someones fun who then pays some men to smash stuff up :/
they say you should get out more stay healthy and out of trouble yet anything thats fun is illegal .. what the f*ck? id love to get that guy a bike and let him ride it properly .. he might realise we do it for a reason .. its in out blood trail building gives us somthing to be proud of . what can they be proud of? a deserted woodland .. big woop.

(by the way this is the only blog/ad thing ive seen that there are no negative props on... shows mtbers are one united form of being.
  • + 4
 Thank goodness for those service roads, how thoughtful of them to allow us the opportunity.
  • + 2
 build trails around the service roads Razz
F*CK THE POLICE
  • + 2
 that fat fuck is just jealous hes to fucken retarded to ride a bike stupid fuckin goverment bullshit and i dont even live there and that pisses me off .. looks like such a sick trail tooo
  • + 2
 oh and that mark mauren guy f*ckin retards business email is mark.mauren@dnr.wa.gov for anyone else that want to send him hate mail
  • + 2
 just shoot him ..
  • + 2
 @epavichthesavage ... "look at me... now look at the government.. look at me... ..." that was a good laugh
  • + 84
 A sad state of affairs. This $23000 could have been used for much more productive things.
  • + 47
 I wish I hadn't watched that video.
  • + 59
 Welcome to ride the gravel roads. I'v heard that one before
  • + 38
 No, everyone needs to watch this video marseer. It's important for riders to understand how others perceive them and understand how much we need to all do to protect our trails. We all need to be trail maintainers, clean, polite, propagate a positive public view of mountain-biking, and be proactive in government concerns involving trails.
  • + 15
 they say they are working with the mtb community but they dont, they get there little posy workers to build crap trails of whom they know nothing about trail building and they wonder why people go out and build so called illegal trails.... pisses me right off
  • + 21
 God, this just makes me cringe seeing all that hard work being destroyed. I would kill for trails like that near me.
  • + 2
 And this is why I don't tell anyone where my trails are... secret entrances are also pretty helpful in keeping trails around as well. But if you want to build public trails like these, you're going to have to deal with someone whether it be the town, state or a local resort. That's how it has always been.
  • + 7
 It doesn't benefit them so they simply don't care.
  • + 21
 What I don't understand is why they say "abuse." Mountain bike trails barely put a scratch on the environment. Yet there are many countries who are destroying rainforests to put in palm trees for palm oil.....

What if a hiker was to miss step and injure themselves, does that mean that they can sue the state for a million dollars? That's what is being said about Mountain Bike trails...

Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to put up a sign saying they are not liable for anyone's injury's etc...
  • + 31
 "They see this as a fantastic opportunity, and I see it as a government employee as a $2.1 million dollar lawsuit that we as citizens would need to foot the bill for"

You guys smell that?
smells like bullshit to me...
  • + 9
 the government spends time and money on campaigns for getting people active outdoors and doing creative things, by destroying the trails they are contradicting themselves and sending out the wrong messages.
  • + 9
 that guy was so BS! "conservation crews"? mountain bikers= bad/abusers? enviromental issues? WTF??? forest service roads??? it makes me so mad that they portrayed mtbers as a scourge, that destroys the forest. Not true!
  • + 7
 the whole welcome to ride park roads is complete bull shit. we get the same told to us here, or we can go ride the park XC single track. then we get in trouble for riding too fast or riding down the trail and then where are we supposed to ride? yea sure, building a trail can harm the environment if you make absolutely no plans and use no common sense. idk about other places but here we use drainage to keep natural water ways flowing(if we cant avoid the water to begin with), we dont go cutting down big trees, and when we use wood for a jump, we use already fallen wood. and sure we are killing some brush or grass or moss or whatever where the trail is, but the eviromental impact from that is little to none.
  • + 9
 @cougar797: If I could up vote your post a million times, I would. "We all need to be trail maintainers, clean, polite, propagate a positive public view of mountain-biking, and be proactive in government concerns involving trails." Wise words.
  • + 1
 Makes me feel lucky. Around here, one of the local trails that was built illegally on FC land with road gaps over a couple of fire roads just had the road gaps taken down and made to be rolled, couple of signs put up and the FC have pretty much embraced it! The situation over here seems far better, despite having MUCH less forestry land available and probably less riders. How does that work?
  • + 1
 Just remembered another local trail, had some north shore built on it, illegally again, this time on national trust land. The shore was ripped down, however the lads approached the national trust, and have now been given permission to build a trail, so long as they only use natural materials (so wood from trees chopped down in the forest, but no nails etc). It's all about how you approach and handle the situation. It is a shame that in the case of north fork, the government just barged in and ripped it all down no questions asked.
  • + 11
 "Mountain bikers are still welcome to ride the forest service roads here."
Oh please, you're too kind. Rolleyes
  • + 2
 @cougar797 - I didn't mean that it shouldn't be watched, but as my home area, and trails that I have ridden hundreds of times, that hurt really bad to watch. I just meant that my day wouldn't have started with a low point if I hadn't watched some guy in a yellow rain coat break up an amazing landing, with 5 other guys standing there watching him.
  • - 1
 it's capitalist job . . .Frown
  • + 1
 if it's any consolation, they looked solidly built!! There's always other trails, no doubt the riders will move on and build bigger and better trails.
  • + 45
 "They see this as a fantastic opportunity, and I see it as a government employee as a $2.1 million dollar lawsuit that we as citizens would need to foot the bill for,"

For someone who thinks hes such friggin smart do gooder, you would think these state employees would be intelligent enough to legitimize the trails that have been given to the state for free, post notices stating that riders ride at their own risk without right to lawsuit, and inform people of the nature of the trail. That's how any other FR trail legally exists. They could have a huge recreational resource for Washington state thus improving the lands value. Instead they are spending $23,000 to un-improve their public land and greatly reduce visitors to the area as well as kill the chance of a huge mtb volunteer trail maintenance crew. It's spending money to loose land value and piss a bunch of dedicated land stewards off who have worked their asses off to provide something for the public to enjoy. I would love to meat the dumbass that made that decision. He must have his balls in a vice or something.

God this just pisses me off so much. I am working on moving to Washington and this system was on my hit list. End Rant.
  • + 5
 Cougar797... you are a prime candidate to mail and email the DNR. Politicians are largerly on the MTB side of the issue, but the DNR is going to continue to need "nudging".

Tell them you think this is a major waste of money. Point out that the builders have offered to have environmental impact studies done at no cost to the DNR. Most importantly, tell them you had planned to move to WA state because of trails like these, without them you may not come here.
  • + 3
 I'm so angry I can't even begin to describe. the ignorance is astounding. "we are working with mountain bikers to build places to ride" why not work with them before you tore everything down... why start from scratch when you have something there already? get signage and come up with a risk management plan. people need to think before they act, just painful to watch those beautiful trails come down.
  • + 4
 Pg13 that little paragraph. It is gold and makes perfect, undeniable sense. Youre making good points with property value and attractions. Maybe this will help them see that they are literally wasting money on workers so they can go out and burn more of what could be their money. Friggin annoying..... And I forgot to mention I nearly punched my screen in attempts to hurt that smug little bastard who thinks he knows everything about mtb and how it's all just gonna lead to law suits and other various moronic bull shit...
  • + 2
 I would love to write an argument to them. I don't live in Washington though. I want to move to the area and as an avid trail builder, seeing 5 miles of amazing building destroyed by someone with no-one better to pick on just really tugs the ole' heart strings. I can't decide if I'm mad or sad for the locals. I would love to support a campaign to voice a severe lack of approval in the lack of consideration towards the MTB community that were doing nothing but improving their home for the better. I feel like the local trail organizations in the area need to get a full proof argument for trail conservation together, present it to the DNR and try to legalize trail systems that are immune to lawsuit and therefore preserve the amazing world builders have created for themselves in the area. Washington has such amazing riding, that I am currently job hunting to move my family across the country into an area with this kind of life style and commitment to the outdoors. If someone from a local club contacted me over developing a formal proposal to legitimize trails in the area, I would do what I could. There is a local trail building company in my area. Progressive Trail Designs (they were in Decline a while back). They would be an excellent source to contact about legalizing progressive FR trails and proving it can be done in an Environmentally friendly way.
  • + 32
 Firstly - any biker that sues the state because of HIS OWN incompetence, lack of skill, hard bail (which happens to EVERYONE) ect - is a f*cking-pussy-foot-douche-bag-mother-f*cker. I can only hope, and more or less believe, that our community of mountain bikers are smart enough to know not to 'sue' as it would just tarnish the name of our already controversial sport (e.g: green-ies trippin' over eco-destruction and, as seen in this article, worrisome politicians on "public 'abuse'") and make them look like... a f*cking-pussy-foot-douche-bag-mother-f*cker.

Secondly - Mauren is just 'doing' his job, but in an area and community as such - why does he ave to be such a bitch about it?

Thirdly - f*ck You. "Even though the state's taking down the trail network, mountain bikers are still welcome to ride the forest service roads. And DNR says it's working with legislators and the mountain biking community to move forward and develop areas for bikers to ride." --- Yep. f*ck You.

Lastly - f*ck YOU (again) for wasting a great amount of OUR money, when WE WANTED the god damn trails in the first place. If you are going to use OUR money, we should be able to vote on whether these trails are appropriate or not, rather than bureaucratic 'obese'-cats making decisions because what 'they' feel is right... which is not synonymous with a larger contingency of American people. Classic story of personal judgement clouding the appropriate democratic system, thus, f*cking us. So, let us march to the hills and set fire to a bunch of old bike gloves, shoes, ect - and let them know, like the great world wide recorder concert (south park) our vicious ring of "f*ck YOU" will, hopefully, yes... make them shit their pants. a*sholes.

asta luego
  • + 6
 FWIW, it's not usually the rider who brings the lawyers around after a hospital going trip, it's the medical insurance companies who do, that are trying to recoup their losses nursing said broken off rider. That 23 grand spent demoing these trails could of hired a boat load of lawyers to create some non-liability signage for the park, though.
  • + 3
 Yep you got it... And joe you are right but there is a way cheaper option than lawyers... Make some friggin "ride at you own risk - theses trails are dangerous - the state is not liable for your stupid f*cking injuries" signs and post them at the trail heads.... Problem solved
  • + 1
 So why don't we stop complaining (because we all know this is shit) and start forking out some of our own chillings and make signs. Most trailheads have signs naming the trail, so lets just 'illegally' put up signs stating you 'ride at your own risk'. Then when the GOVT comes along in their high vis yellow, we can show that us collectivly put these signs up. So people can already see they ride at their own risk.... the Govt doesn't have to 'worry' about it.... therefor spend more money that I make in a year on ruining harmless fun.
  • + 3
 That very thing worked for us. The rangers were starting to get rampant with closing trails. One day at school, I used the printers and made some trail signs and warning signs, had them laminated, stapled them to some nice wood (I made these things look effing NICE). We've never had any grief since. So I try to make a new sign every time we pump out a new trail, which has the name, describes the trail in 3-5 words, and some sort of jagged-line-thingy to portray the level of difficulty. It might not be what state officials are calling for, but when people see signs, and the place looks professionally managed, they don't give much shit about it.
  • + 1
 @joebmx88 -- that is very true... and warhorsey - good proactive move there bud.
  • + 25
 I love to see the workers struggling to tear down the features. Shows some great craftsmanship by those who built the trails. Hate to see this happen but we all know its only a matter of time before our trails are torn down. now to look for another shuttle accessible location to build on!
  • + 14
 HaHa that last guy with the sledge hammer had a swing like a 5 year old girl. But on a serious note that is truly depressing to see trails being killed ... I know my trails will go at some point , no where near the amount of work these guys have done but still my creation.
  • + 32
 Make sure you wear your reflective vests so you don't get hit by a ranger truck barreling down the mountain in the forest! They do less damage than bikes, you know.
  • + 19
 can the government not let anyone have fun anymore ? this is everyones land! who says they can keep it to themselves and ruin what people have put hours into ! let people have fun riding their bikes freely !
  • + 14
 Well they are letting use of the fire roads! that sounds really exciting! Fuck this makes me sick to watch. This government is so damn screwed up, their priorities are so off.
  • + 1
 So lets start building jumps and burms on the fire roads.... they said we can do that right ?!?!?!
There is proof in the video and he SAID we can ride the fire roads. Not ideal but at least it's 'legal'
  • + 17
 It was painful to watch that video.
  • + 4
 I was almost crying Frown
  • + 14
 I say keep building trails, by the time they know about an area and tear it down you can get like a good 3+ years of shredding. I can dig faster than they can get a permit and decomission my trail.
  • + 12
 Coming from a moto x back ground,i have dealt with ppl like this often complaining about enviorment(and its true they are harsh on mother nature)but mountainbikes?cmon,theyare just trying to cover the states ass so they cant be sued.Well what if someone came along and twisted an ankle on the trail cause it was uneven?Are you gonna tear it up and pave it too?Its public land,we the ppl isnt public?
  • + 9
 All that money to remove and shut down those trails?! Once a trail network is established it is EXTREMELY difficult to close it. Those jumps will be back, the trails in use again, and the state will have accomplished nothing but finding a way to spend more tax payers money with the excuse of avoiding doing just that.

Permits, city councils, special permissions ... it is just another way of taking our freedoms away and disguising the action in a swarm of red tape. Unless its a gentle rolling hill with pillows on either side they consider it unsafe.

Maybe mountain bikers should unite, form a group like "occupy Wallstreet" but call it more like "Occupy our lands" and demand legislature, laws and such that will protect our freedoms and rights while preventing the state or anyone from being sued. Otherwise it will continue to be US vs. THEM, and while we win by rebuilding and defying them, they end up hurting us by wasting our own money fighting us.
  • + 1
 that is one good idea
  • + 2
 not to mention the state of Washington is already sooo broke. According to the facts, we are now among the poorest states in the US, thanks to Governor Gregoire's reckless spending.
  • + 8
 The growing rate of destruction on mountain bike trails by the state will soon leave them with larger problems. All of us will just be building and riding somewhere else... I understand the concerns and problems that illegal trails pose to the government. But shutting down entire trail systems and tearing out trails doesn't seem like the answer. Glad that we have Evergreen Mountain Bike Alliance (and other organizations around the continent) fighting for our rights to ride.
  • + 5
 A great way to combat this event is for the Washington states MTB community to voice legal civilized lack of approval of this Mauren's way of handling the situation. If some one in a government position feels his position might ever be threatened by his actions, they will do something different. Guarantee he has his nose up someones ass with this "I'm protecting the state" move. If the people can influence whoever he has his nose up, he'll change his mind really fast.
  • + 7
 I cannot understand why this of all the places is being torn down. What's next, Duthie, St Ed's, Paradise Valley, Burke Gilman? There is an unwritten contract between cyclist and the state as soon as you put your tires to the dirt there. I have been injured on several trails through the years and not once have I blamed the state for my stupidity or inability to ride something. Makes me sad to see this in my own state, I thought we were hearty outdoorsman. Doubt this will stop the riding on the trails there though. I remember when they closed paradise valley for 3-4 years, that did not stop people from riding those trails, maybe the building, but not the riding.
  • + 2
 St Ed;'s and paradise Valley have actually been on the list of proposed parks by the state for several years now. If it were not for the efforts of guys like Thomas Fitzpatrick (evergreen mtb) and several other key people within that organization, St Ed's would have been gone a long time ago. Or at least, gone on paper, legally. Although Tom and his work parties had to tear down many illegal and poorly build mtb stunts and TTF's in both locations, the trails are still there due to his, and evergreen's efforts.
  • + 1
 ugh. I grew up literally living on the paradise valley trails since 93... I just find it a shame that these types of places are torn down, only to be replaced by 18 holes... And thank goodness for Evergreen Mtb, I need to join and become way more involved with their system.
  • + 6
 To prevent potential lawsuits to to drowning, the state is going to prohibit swimming in all public lakes, rivers, and beaches. To further protect themselves from lawsuits, fences will be installed along all rivers and ocean fronts, and all public lakes will be drained.

Funding for these projects will be provided by state owned arcades and snack/soda machines.
  • + 1
 This is why the united states is so fat anything fun that may be potentially dangerous is outlawed
  • + 1
 where am I going to get my half hour a day of exercise now? Watching TV in a gym? What happened to moving shovel loads of dirt and enjoying a ride down the same trail I crafted?

They tell us to get outside, and go use our 'big backyards' to quote an infamous tourism and king county parks ad, yet they shoot down great opportunities to work with us on publicly owned lands for healthy recreational activities.
  • + 6
 A simple answer would have been to post a sign at the trail head as a disclaimer... "WARNING: Use of these trails for any purpose is at the sole discretion of the user. The City and or State hold no liability if ANY injuries and or death occur."

Seems a far less expensive way to solve a problem that is purely based on speculation.

My name is Steven Davis and I feel for you guys that used this trail.
  • + 5
 This is how the government "creates jobs".

p.s. that guy swung his sledge hammer like a bitch
  • + 2
 haha, for sure. The one thing I took out of that video that was somewhat positive was watching that one guy struggle trying to kick over a structure....Just a testament to how well constructed it was in the first place!
  • + 5
 Hypothetically speaking, If i got in a car accident on my way home from work on a state road could I turn around and sue the state for neglect to warn me that driving is a hazradous activity? Better yet if I do such and win will they tear out all the paved roads?
  • + 1
 Back to horse and carts we go.... love when the Government goes backwards..... what's next? Banning electricity too?
  • + 5
 Some simple logic.

- The state is accepting they have the liability of lawsuits although as many have pointed out it is not true. How do you think skate parks function?
- Cyclists are free to ride on the gravel service roads that have thundering traffic from logging trucks, PUD vehicles and other contractors?

I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say that riding bikes on those roads would be much more of a liability risk than riding on some "Illegal Trails". Try the trails were torn out because of a political conflict between user groups and corporate government interest in future profitability from the land use. I am not surprised that no one would ever say that on the air though. If they did I am sure no media would allow coverage and the political official would be bagged. I say we sell all our resources to Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan so we can have more accountability... Oops ... I guess we already did.
  • + 2
 DING DING DING!!! We have a winner. Doesn't Gravity have to send you some free gear or something?
  • + 5
 Regardless of who brings the lawsuit, there have never been any succesful suits against the state for an injury on public land. --If I have heard this statistic correctly. I think Mark Mauren chose the 2.1 million number because it sounds more threatening and real than an even number like 2 million.

Sadly this is the USA and liability is the problem. Structures and jumps removed... whatever... but let people keep riding on public land. There has been some very impressive drainage work done, and plenty of careful routing to avoid problem areas. About as wet as it could be the last weekend and nothing resembling a washout or runoff problem. Some standing water here and there, but it wasn't going anywhere, certainly not into any streams. The environmental impact argument is such BS when you look at what the logging in the area has done, and will continue to do.

TZ's trail is a work of art and they are about to log that. It follows a ridge near a creek, once those trees are gone what is going to happen to rain water and soil retention? The skidder they are going to punch in to remove trees is going to cross and disturb several drainages. Right and MTB bridges over creeks are such a problem.
  • + 1
 well put sam...the damage and drainage/ runoff arguments are null. If anyone who had expertise in the area of runoff/ water damage and erosion ever went out, independently to see the work done out here by the builders to avoid damage to the area, versus the areas that have already been logged...

The DNR needs to start reaping their own words...Worried about salmon spawning and habitat? What a bunch of BS. I don't see them kicking the shooters out, or actively ticketing those who used to dump/ still do dump their trash out there in the pits.
  • + 1
 The lawsuit potential is a load of BS. According to this statute, no one can sue the the DNR for injuries incurred on their "property".
apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=4.24.210
  • + 4
 I live just across the river from these trails. I'm not sure how they say mtber's are harming the enviroment when the land is timber land, from my house you can see the whole north side of slide mountain, giant clear cut logging. If you go up there your likley to see a 10 wheel dump truck dragging a 100' log down the road.
I guess trails are worse for the forest than clear cutting a couple thousand acres at a time. 10's of thousands of government owned acres that we can't use?
  • + 4
 Tough break, it sucks when any trails get shut down, let alone those with some serious features.

I really did enjoy buddy with the sledgehammer. Those boards are nailed in place... couldn't he just hit up from the bottom and pop them off? I mean, unless he really likes smashing stuff... frigging incompetent, your tax dollars at work folks.

The media spin on that was rubbish too. No real voice for the riders, save for a short clip that was taken out of context.
  • + 4
 dear mark mauren,

go f*ck yourself. find someone else to f*ck over. Why waste money on destroying the trails that took hundreds of hours to build and allowed for the (productive) recreation of many. go spend all that money on something that is ACTUALLY beneficial to society. And suing the state for something like this would never win, and nobody would actually sue over this....so dumb
  • + 8
 Mauren... sounds a lot like MORON!!
  • + 3
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If you have the above traits, please apply within.
  • + 3
 I understand why they are scared of law suits but there is one very interesting thing he said in there

"this is public land and it's welcome for use not abuse" ........Sorry? They hurt no one in the process , they probably use the place more than the other people that use it e.g walkers , horse riders and other things and like the top comment said the sediment is being pushed into the water by them causing them to do more damage than they ever did because they have a f*cking permit.

Gravel roads? f*ck that. If a walker said that to me I'd say " I could say the same to you sir , so why aren't you on them". "because they are boring" E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

They put huge work into those trails and if I'm not mistaken they said they were trying to establish a legimate trail centre ? What was wrong with the trail they just destroyed.? Why can't you make it so we can't sue if we fall? And 90% of us wouldn't dream of suing because we know it's our fault and we put ourselves in danger. The only ones that do are people who think they are the shit and when they do something wrong they have to take it out on someone else. That happend here last year when some guy fell and decided to sue at a Race and it put this whole race season in jeopardy because the people that owned the forests were scared it would happen to them.

I don't see why we are so frowned upon , I really can't wrap my head around it and it pisses me off.

PS. I DON'T HATE WALKERS ..... ONLY THE SNOBBY NES THAT THINK THEY OWN EVERYTHING.
  • + 3
 When you build, you know this day is coming. Hopefully something good can come from the decommissioning over time. Putting vehicles and bikes on the same forest roads, seems like a law suit in the making, at least they have advertised that this is what you have to do, that would make a law suit very simple I would imagine.
  • + 5
 They clearly state in the video they would prefer people on the gravel roads, in close proximity to vehicles and other heavy machinery. Maybe we need to start getting hit by those and give them some ACTUAL lawsuits to worry about, as opposed to the phantom ones they expect to start happening after years of nothing
  • + 3
 this happened to our tiny jumps a few years ago all because of one little kid that fell off grazed his knee and went home running to his mummy, couple weeks later the council flattened the lot... noticed passing in the car this week looks like someones been digging again though
  • + 3
 Open for use but not abuse...haha..What the F***. What use is it good for...there is no trail systems at all, other than those "illegally" created. ohhh, but its ok if a bunch of hicks come and shoot guns and dump there garbage there. Thanks DNR and Whatcom conservation for using my tax dollars wisely and at least attempting to make some type of agreement or arrangement for the public benefit.
  • + 1
 Your problem here is the definition of public benefit. What the hell is that? A never ending argument that always ends with a $ign. The global public would rather have a $ or a € over freedom which is why Oligarchic banks run our governments that serve the public with the sole goal on confiscating freedom in exchange for securities.
  • + 3
 Well, well, well... let me say...
F*CKING F*CKERS... stories like that are really killing me...
The argumentation of "the public hand" is sooooo baseless, limited, one-sided and snotty...
I don't know how strong the pro-mtb political lobbying is in North America, but here in Switzerland it is close to zero. The influential politicians are either fat SUV-Drivers or very "green" nerds who think that mountainbiking is killing the fauna :-(
I hate haters! STOP INTOLERANCE and OVERREGULATION
Peace yo!
  • + 1
 It is NOT OK. WE Should be there boycotting and sitting on our jumps and laying across our bridges. We should go take axes to their houses and see how they feel.
  • + 3
 So it's ok that Aaron Reardon in uses taxpayer money to fly his mistress around and buy her drinks and hotel rooms, but it's not okay for people to ride trails if theres the chance of some imaginary lawsiut happening that the taxpayers would have to pay? Flawless logic Washington government.
  • + 3
 Just wait... I'm gonna go ride those service roads, crash hard (because I suck at riding), and then sue the state for my $2.1 billion!! You know how many bikes I can buy with that kind of money? I don't know either but that's a lot!
  • + 2
 Correction... million not billion. I don't know what I was thinking. Maybe just getting greedy.
  • + 1
 Kind of a funny way to put this into perspective. I'm willing to take a dive for 2.1. We won't even have to push up that far, just enough to lay er down. Easiest scheme out there.
  • + 2
 With a full family, I figured you would go down for like $500 bucks these days.
  • + 3
 it makes me laugh that the governments moan we don't do active things then when we get off our arses and do something they still don't like it, the real problem is that they are not making money out of it so therefore don't want them.
  • + 3
 You know the trail group did other good things for the DNR land, (besides trails). Every year they hosted a clean up party for the road system. With all of the red neck shooters leaving their targets you can imagine how messy things got. I guess this is how they repay, BOOOOO is right.
  • + 7
 the dumbass at the end doesnt even know how to use an axe
  • + 3
 Just to be annoying and point out that its a sledge hammer Wink but yea he ain't using it right.
  • + 3
 What a bunch of f*cking asshats. There is inherent risk to the sport, and every rider understands that. I can't imagine someone ever getting hurt and sueing the state, making it more difficult for the rest of the community to ride there. And as for it being abusive, it pisses me off to think that the government would outlaw people from going out and actually enjoying the land that their tax dollars pay for. Shitbirds......
  • + 1
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Asshats! haven't heard that in a while!
  • + 3
 I have been riding up there for 2 years. The lumber used were trees that were most likely fallen from storms. And the bit about building structures to live trees. I never saw a wood hip or skinny nailed to a live tree when i rode up there. Bridges were built to go over stream as to not disturb the drainage. Yet they r going to log and stir up sediment that will drain into salmon steams. If anything i have left with more trash than i took up. Yes its painful to watch them tear down something i learned to hone my skills on and find that love i had for mother nature and biking i lost years ago. I also upsets me to here how they make us out to be the ones in the wrong. Were not out there cooking meth . We r building trails and working with nature like a kid in a sand box. I find it very distasteful how we the Mtn bikers were made to look buy r local news. This is a healthy and natural sport powered by us the human not by petroleum. We vent off carbon dioxide not Hydrocarbons. So with this frustration Im gonna focus it on how I can help with making trails that r legal and support my local trails builders. I will miss the North Fork and going to North Fork pizza and a beer with good friends.
  • + 1
 well, let's be honest here...there was always a bit of pretoleum involved in the riding @ the fork, but I do agree with everything else you have said. and I have never liked komo.
  • + 5
 congrats washington state.... you are now hated by thousands and thousands of people world wide. GOOD JOB! !!!!!!!
  • + 2
 bit like not being allowed to ride street in cities,,, we didnt ask for the concrete jungles we just found a way to use them when all the bankers go home at night... the world is one f??ked up place for sure ,,, sad thing is it looks like its only getting worse and alot quicker than in years gone by, role on the collapse of the financial system and the end of the elites running it all and taking the money,.
  • + 2
 The very people who should be supporting the bikers and developing this resource to it's full potential are using imaginary hypothetical arguments as an excuse for vandalism and the media is going along with it, scary stuff when talking utter shite will be believed because it's on the TV. If they really wanted to avoid being sued all they had to do was put up disclaimers all over the trails stating it's your ass it's your call we are not responsible for your actions, that would have taken far less man power than destroying 5 miles of trails. So for all the bullshit being spouted by the rangers and media, this is about short sighted incompetence and control, plain and simple.
  • + 2
 you're kidding me right? "According to Mauren, the daredevil bikers could hurt themselves and sue the state." i hate this crap! i have crashed many times and NEVER has the thought of sueing anyone come into my head! it is obviously my fault that i crashed and it ruins the sport and the recognition that bikers get! If every biker were to sue every time they crashed we would have a super bad reputation! but no one ever sues! Why is this so? because bikers are frigin BOSS and we love our sport! Every "reason" that they had to tear down the trails is not really a "reason" it is just a cover up for their want to control everyone! That video made me sick and i am surprised that they didnt just come out and say "bikers are stupid" or something like that, but no, they would never say it outright they just go around it. Stupid news...we didnt even get a chance to improve the trails or anything! A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR A WONDERFUL PLACE TO RIDE DESTROYED....
  • + 2
 Well if in the USA you can sue for getting fat from mcdonalds or for dying of lung cancer after smoking for 40 years. Maybe it's time to name your state in not enabling you to ride, therefor making you fat and thinking about starting to smoke... All it takes is one president setting case with one reasonable judge that understands the benefits of physical fitness and of course winning a law suit for 100mil from the state. And those bean counters will change their tune and start to fund building of trails with qualified crews (like you locals that have no jobs in a nearly bankrupt country) this is how you're country is viewed from above (Canada) and my personal opinion of course. Happy trails.
  • + 3
 "They see this as a fantastic opportunity, and I see it as a government employee as a $2.1 million dollar lawsuit that we as citizens would need to foot the bill for," he said.

Wow, where did he pull that from??
  • + 1
 like @betsie alluded to earlier, getting ran over on a forestry road by a government vehicle is apparently less of a costly liability.
  • + 2
 Typical Seattlites.

If it doesn't deal with Starbucks, Microsoft, computers or Boeing, its a horrid evil thing and must be destroyed. Its not our fault their wrists are too limp to hold onto anything other than a coffee mug and their confidence is so weak only to sit behind a screen playing games by Valve.

We will be back.

Strength in Numbers?

Oh I think so...
  • + 2
 F**k law suits and all that other bull shit they said in that video. Oh, it hurts the environment, lets go f**k it up even more by ripping up the trails to cover our lazy asses for polluting, building roads, and logging away the forest. I think that they have probably have never had a lawsuit filed because someone got hurt riding the trails. If I eat shit on a trail, the first thing i think about is certainly not bitching for money from the land owner. Why they hating?
  • + 2
 This isn't just dumb, or stupid but ignorant!!!! So let me get this right, not only spending the money to tear it down... are they going to spend more money to have some sort of "Trail Patrol", how much of all that money could have gone into legalizing the trail or portions of it? Secondly, if they are going to tear the stuff up - at least reuse what you can!!! Bunch of Douc*ebags, half of those idiots can't even swing an axe or sledge properly - oh no that might be another 2.1$ million dollar lawsuit - come on everyone knows their is a risk to most everything you do. - rant over!
  • + 2
 Classic Government intervention, They come up with some strong smelling bullshit, and then get away with it because of the cash flow from the higher ups. They'll never tear down our love for mountain biking, no matter what they do to our trails. The way I see it, they don't even have a strong case to support all that million dollar crap about lawsuits. This really burns me up inside.
  • + 2
 There is no liabiltiy issue! Revised code of washington says the state cannot be liable for personal injury on public land. Basicly, If the state does not charge money to recreate (entrance fee) they cannot be liable. Its all lies to create fear among the public. Make the public think they are protecting them. So where does Mark Mauren get this 2.1 million number? Yesterday I got a response from Mauren to my Email. Addressed to someone else! Classy!
  • + 2
 The UK would kill for trails as good and as well built as that. why dont they spend a fraction of the money that they spent ripping it down and turn it into a propper recogniosed bike centre? that would prob make money for the gov? win win!
  • + 2
 hmmm u know i am not surprised with this as i ride all the time in various conservation areas and i see water bottles trashed all around and tons and tons of hydration gel packs discarded everywhere! i am a status native in canada and as much as i love mtb its just plain ignorant the way i see others treat these pristine areas!
  • + 2
 biking is the most environmentally friendly sport. They tare down trees and plant life just do to drill for oil and were the bad guys ?? I don't see whats wrong here we don't trash the place up and i think i can speak for all of us...we spend every day biking we care for the trees and the wild life and we are not tearing down all plant life they are . Here where i live the government is thinking to put a free way strait through we-isl head its a protected area just like the place you see in this video. We are doing nothing wrong but they their the bad guys and yet they blame it on us for building harmless jumps and wooden ramps screw them.
  • + 2
 I hate politics.. but as a WA state resident and mt biker.. this hits too close to home. Such a shame and waste of public resources.. both those of the woods and those of the tax $ spent to tear it all down!! Time for some letter writing and getting involved!! Not a good precedent to be set... especially as crews forge ahead with building on other DNR public lands...
  • + 2
 Reminds me of Marin. Highways kill way more people and have a much bigger environmental impact but the government is building those. It's really stupid that this is still going on. If they only want us to hike they should say that instead of "get outdoors."
  • + 2
 This is the same excuse their is no dirtbike/atv trails where I live in NY. Everyone including the state is afraid of liability and being sued, then there's the environmental excuse, in the end it's all about money. Cutting a few trails through the woods isn't going to hurt the environment, but when big money comes in and they level the whole forest for a shopping mall the environmentalists seem to disappear...hmmm. The northeast is against any kind of extreme sports for the most part, and are always trying to enforce new laws to suppress them. Then they wonder why people ride illegally.
  • + 3
 As a Biology major with an interest in resource management and sustainability i'm going to make my short term goals oriented towards improving trail science so that this doesn't happen in the future.
  • + 2
 What you need to do with that degree Is join forces with the IMBA and educate our legislatures/government on the fact that mtbiking can be sustainable with minimum impact if any to the environment. Ignorance, fear, and prejudice walk hand and hand. Stop the ignorance, erase the fear and the prejudice will dissapear.
  • + 3
 The problem with that plan is the educate the government part
  • + 1
 ziggatron, if I could give you more than +1 , well I might be here clicking for an hour.
  • + 2
 This kills me inside my heart. I deal with the trail bullshit where I live also. Fuck the government, it all ends up to be a money related issue. Fucking fat pigs rot! Go concentrate on more important issues, drugs, unemployment,hunger, ect.,leave us alone.
  • + 2
 Pulling that old lawsuit excuse again...bunch of retarded, greedy, jobs-worth shit pipes. Everything in this day and age is illegal, heck I even feel like someone's watching when I cross the road and the wee green man's still hasn't made an appearance in preparation to sue me for £1 trillion. This sucks.
  • + 2
 Well, where do I even begin? Government hard at work destroying trails on the taxpayers dime. Probably using funds from the discover passes that they made us buy in order to access the outdoors. Citing environmental concerns and a $2.1 million dollar lawsuit. Seriously, environmental concerns? He failed to mention how they've contracted that land out to timber companies who are up there right now literally bulldozing trees. "Mountain bikers are still welcome to ride the forest service roads here." Really? Who is going to drive all the way out their to pedal their mountain bike up a super steep service road where logging trucks are transiting back and forth when they can do the same thing right here in Bellingham? Thanks for the offer DNR. And for the $2.1 million dollar lawsuit, I don't think there is much chance of that happening. I would like the see one example of someone winning a lawsuit against the state for getting injured on public lands. Yet another glaring example of how the government almost always looks out for its own interests rather than the interests of the people. Hopefully someday we will learn that the less government we have the better off we will all be
  • + 3
 The guy with the sledge sure was having a hard time breaking apart that bridge. He probably thought he could show off for the camera, then was sadly mistaken lol. Its a testament to the quality of construction.
  • + 2
 this is retarded,the goverment are to stupid to realise people are having fun ,when you have great trails it brings people far and wide ,which then use the local ammenities,this helps with tourism.instead of ripping them down why not spend that time and effort to work with the builders to make the trail legal and rideable for everyone.small minded pricks springs to mind
  • + 3
 Those freakin Enviromentalists!!!! if we cant build trails in the forest tucked back in the trees then im going to start building them in the middle of an enviromentalists yard!!!!!!
  • + 2
 All in all, the politicians don't give a sh*t about a riders safety, all they care about is getting sued, losing their money. I personally know someone that worked directly with DNR for almost two years to have North Fork established as an official ORV park, with a pay/permit system. Buy a tag, ride as much as you want. Setup guidelines as to what can be built, then those that pay will police it themselves. Seemed like a perfect plan, create revenue for the state, keep everything clean, give people a place to ride without being bothered. DNR decided it was too expevsive, and they didnt have the manpower to execute such a plan. Yet they'll spend thousands of dollars to have a crew go in and tear everything down. Not to mention the tax money it will take to pay for the extra police and DNR patrols to drive all the way out there and sit on their asses just in case someone happens to be on a trail.

What's next??? Are they going to be driving around, ticketing every ten year old with a piece of plywood and a concrete block building a jump on the sidewalk!! Get em before they're old enough to drive, because you know the first thing they're going to do is head up into the mountains and destroy the beloved eco system.

Get a clue you f*^king pricks!!!
  • + 3
 I'm just curious who actually owns the land I always thought it was WE THE PEOPLE!!!!! not we the government I'm pretty sure this guy should have other things to worry give me a break
  • + 3
 You can actually hear the pain in his voice when he's forced to call those trails and structures "illegitimate". Seeing the way those p*ssies struggled to destroy them, I'd say they were anything but.
  • + 1
 amen.
  • + 2
 Well my day is ruined. Great way to start the morning. Anybody up for some logging road shuttle laps this weekend? Maybe that will cheer me up. Give me a break..................
  • + 1
 As others have stated, these trails will continue to be ridden and new structures will be erected, regardless of what the state employees say. It's just too bad they had to waste everyone's time and all those tax dollars delaying progress.
  • + 3
 Yup, those are Government workers for sure, 1 working the saw, 5 standing around, getting paid with my tax dollars!!! Talk about a waste...
  • + 2
 Typical...damn labor unions
  • + 1
 Why cant they have disclaimers of liability at the trail heads? Sanction something. Signage stating that the user of the trail assumes all risk etc. This is another tragic case of the goverment covering their butts and not seeing the social reprecussions. bullshit.
  • + 1
 The funniest thing is that when I clicked to watch the video it started off with an ad for McDonald's. Childhood obesity is a far bigger and more costly epidemic than bone fractures from mtn biking. Plus (most) fractures heal, whereas childhood obesity has a very high association with early onset diabetes and adverse health affects in adulthood. And diabetes is for life. The medications alone are more than 23K per person over a few years. So, put away your mtn bikes, take up your "sugar" (err, energy drinks) and video game controllers and start getting down to getting obese and unhealthy.
  • + 1
 As a environmental scientist; this is bullshit. Sustainable trailbuilding minimizes the effects of sediment deposition into local watersheds, BUILDING ROADS DOES NOT, LOGGING DOES NOT. In fact, both of these government sanctioned activities causes more destruction to the overall environment through habitat fragmentation and destruction. But, you know, logging and road building provides many jobs and revenue, while mountain biking in Whatcom isn't probably a very large revenue generator. :'(
  • + 1
 Really terrible news for whatcom county... we have battled alot this past year for our trail systems. i feel mostly for the teams of people and certain individuals who have put countless hours of hard back breaking labor into these trails for everyone to enjoy. there are very little shuttle accessible trails so close to home, cant help but think chuckanut and our others spots up here in BHAM are at risk of closure to mountain bikes. at least we will be able to ride the roads though...FML.
  • + 1
 Ya..wanna go do some shuttle laps on those sweet ass logging roads they have open for us! how generous
  • + 1
 Evil Really Mad Madder Dead Horse so sad man no one can share the woods...2 million dollar lawsuit..im sry if ur a mtn biker and you get broken off its not the lands or the states fault ...those trails could have been saved with some local politics and a ride at your own risk sign,Facepalm so sad..Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down
  • + 1
 Do they have any idea how much time has been put into building those jumps?...@gravityfeind is right, if there havent been any lawsuits then the riders who built the jumps should still have a chance to get permission for the jumps to be there. This happened to some jumps that i built years back in some woods that no one had ever been in. I dedicated every hour of free time i had to building them, i even skipped a few days of school to finish them for the weekend. One afternoon i rode out the trail that only i and a couple of my friends knew even existed to find a bunch of state workers plowing them down, by the time i got there they were gone. I asked them what they were doing and they told me a 10 year old kid had broken his leg off the biggest kicker there and when he got home he told his parents where it had happened and he told them. They sued the town for some rediculous amount. The town almost fined me for the lawsuit, but my friend that had helped me build them had a father who is a great lawyer. The whole thing was heartbreaking to think of how something that we had enjoyed for so long had been destroyed for something that shouldnt have happened.
  • + 1
 i think we all understand what their saying. but when they take those trails away, what are we going to ride? i don't see the point because truth be told, all thats probably going to logged in the next 10 years from now anyway. their is no law that states the its illegal to mountain bike anywhere, but there is a lot of laws about motorized vehicles, so thats why they make recreational parks and motocross tracks for the people to ride. i know that there are bike parks, everyone does. but building trails on crown land that almost nobody will ever even think of going on shouldn't be a bad thing. why don't they go spend all of that money on saving forests from being logged and building roads and buildings, so we can have something to ride in the far future. and not spend it on wrecking some kids day?
  • + 1
 In Canada they build the parks for us and just charge a small $6 per rider per day charge to enter the conservation area no matter what activity u r doing. Also the maintain and add on to the park every year. And we have lots of them all over the place so many we can never seem to get to them all! Guess its different in the states! That sucks
  • + 1
 ^this hurts even more than the movie.^
  • + 1
 i find it funny that its "public land" but only public where they say you can use it?
if the rule is no built up stunts that is fine, but just as they are not saying hikers you have to stick just to roads, you shouldn't force mtn bikers to stick to fire and access roads.

It wasn't too long ago in the late 90's and early 2000's the north shore went through a similiar thing, with trails that were found being torn down. the nsmba did a wonderful job lobbying to ensure we get to ride trails long term
  • + 2
 This doesn't happen so much in other countries because in other countries people hold themselves accountable for their own actions and DON'T sue people the way we do in the US.
  • + 1
 Like the man said in the video this is public land, mountain bikers are part of the public and should be allowed to use the land. when the man said that it is harming the ecosystem by creating erosion i call bull shit because there is a dedicated team of builders and riders who take care of the trails to prevent erosion from occurring by removing all the trails they are just causing more damage to the ecosystem by taking everything down. this is a prime example on why america is becoming the most unhealthy nation in the world because anytime there is anything active and fun to do where you have the potential to get hurt the government steps in and kills it. everybody is to worried about getting hurt and getting sued man up and grow a pair jeez I am 17 and realize how dumb this is what would the government rather me go ride some less then legal trails or go rob a house hmmmmm
  • + 4
 "welcome to ride the forest service roads", just shows how dumb they really are
  • + 1
 all i can say is fuck these people. its pretty obvious those trails have been there a while if you were planning on busting them down why didnt you do it before there was five miles of sick as trail already there. its messed up. these trails are what riders wanna ride because they were built by riders. it doesnt do any more damage than there roads that already exist! damn! ! ! ! !
  • + 1
 I am just so happy that they think that they just shut-down trails and that well cure all the problems, You know that this is the problem with our youth. First they told kids get out and do something to keep obesity down. I think that they want gangs on the streets doing crimes. Let's face the facts KIDS can-not even go fishing without getting some Government issue permit. What do they think well solve these issues? You Know the best that we can hope for is that Government just runs out of Money, Sad that these Six figure paid public servant can't even see the results of there actions. We need these trails, this is Just one way for our youth to get out and do something without causing a great deal of affect on our environment.
  • + 3
 man that guy sounds like a complete loser, you can tell he does no out door activities and prob just sits in front of his computer 24/7 and watches porn
  • + 1
 the mtb industry is pretty much built on " non authorized trails"............Maybe if someone from the mtb manufactoring companies
could lobby or atleast put forward our argument to local councils in defending these trails to stay.Why 2.1 million to destroy when it could be used to promote a healthy and $$$ sport for local business.
  • + 2
 This is bullshit! That gov can go suck a fatty dick they want kids to stay out of trouble by doing stuff like mtn biking but then they go up and ruin all of our trail? Ya f*ck Washington gov!
  • + 1
 They took down my local woods the other month.

We only got a hand full of walkers and riders up there. It was fine. I could go up after work and no one would be there.
There was a bit of litter left from the kids but nothing a few bin bags and a small fire didn't tidy up.

They told us they are doing some logging up there. Some of the trees are marked for clearance. We shall see.

Basically mountain bikers have and always will get chased off land eventually unless they are "OFFICIAL TRAIL CENTERS"

with
small humps
small jumps
small berms
no drops what so ever
no natural roots
no rock garden
no freeride
raised decking to avoid wet areas
slow controllable speeds

= NO FUN
  • + 1
 after watching this, i am actually about to just go punch in my walls. the felling and anger I got after watching the workers breaking in and sawing the ladder bridges and stunts that have had so much hard work put into them and fun that came from it.
  • + 1
 That really is a miserable situation. I feel for all ya'll who ride and maintain that place. When you put that much work into a spot its heart breaking to find it destroyed, especially when it is done in front of your face. They got to let us know who's in charge.
  • + 1
 God they are so idiot, we do have a trail that we use to ride and mantain, it is not properly legal but we take care of the environment, we fight for co-use of the trail with runners and other nature enthusiasts.....we hope it will never happend to our trail, it's the worst video about mountain biking i have ever seen. I'm really sad for the guys who used to ride this and more because it seems to be a trail masterpiece.
  • + 1
 this is bullshit, those reporters and that other guy are all speaking out of their asses, negative impact on the environment...bs...them going through with their machines to tear it all down is a negative impact, i say they go ride fireroads, and then ride these trails and then decide on if they keep them or not, ive never ridden these trails before, but until recently i always road dirtbikes, and theyve been closing down those trails forever...

"this is public lane, its open for public use but its not open for public abuse" bs that the trails are abuse...well since our trails our removed, lets go get drunk and high til the government leaves and then we can go back and rebuild the trails!
  • + 1
 Here is a suggestion:
- Let it rest for a season or two...the trails don't grow over that fast.
- Start riding again summer 2014...no building.
- Put up your own signs...(e.g. liability)
Get community support (IMBA) and slowly build your case. In 4 years you should be back again....don't see it as a lost battle but let it be an example of how to turn things around. The Washington state government is shooting itself in the foot here....they just don't know it yet!
  • + 1
 man that was brutal watching that, am glad that epic bridge wasnt in the video or i would have been crying into my sleep tonight. as a trail builder that builds on private land with our own insurance and can essentially do what we like. i am fully aware of the viewpoint of the landowner. and can understand why the Washington forest rangers have done this. but cougar797 has hit the nail on the head. the lost opportunity here is bordering on criminal. when you see what whistler has done for its riding community it has to be seen as a perfect model for all other councils/municipals to work from. increase in visitors, social inclusion for more people, something for youths to focus on and take pride in, creating a new market for the bike and hospitality industry, adding a whole host of people that can help look after the forest (criminal activities such as fly dumping, poaching, drug deals in car parks fire watch, litter management) the benefits of having grassroots trail centres far out weigh not having them...and is in complete contrast to actively going in and trashing/vandilising said efforts that good people have put into the forest. chin up north fork riders...keep pushing for what you deserve
  • + 1
 www.pinkbike.com/news/Smithers-Burns-Lake-trails-receive-government-award-2011.html
Here is an example of a government employee taking an inclusive approach and helped develop a blue print for legitimate trails in a SHARED land use agreement between user groups and public land authority. And for Kevin Eskelin's efforts he is presented an award by the Premiere of B.C.
The story here paints Mark Mauren as incompetent and wasting resources creating a fight that cannot be won, no one wins when good efforts are met with animosity and destruction.
  • + 1
 I have a local woods that is full of trails, and the council tried to break it all down, but because we werent causing any mess and real damage, just using fallen trees and dirt, making sure litter was in bins etc and the fsct the army train there and we werent in the way the army actually backed us up and we managed to tell the council to f*ck off without getting our arses handed to us... it saddens me to see all the hard work and effort of others being just simply destroyed.

People mountain biking and bmxing (etc etc...) are doing this as a dangerous hpbby and knowing the consequence, i dont see smoking getting banned because its a dangerous activity, both smokers and bikers know the risks.. and they have a choice whether to take the risk or not... Such contradiction!
  • + 1
 I already posted twice on this, but man I am angry about it... I had a fall yesterday down a rockface that was on Government land. Do I sue to make a statement... I tore some of the ligaments out of my left shoulder and got a stress fracture down my humerus(upper arm).....

Obviously I won't, but it's like the guy that got hurt breaking into someones house... he was in the wrong but the homeowners were sued... check it out, true story... f*cking ridiculous!!! Quit Wasting your Taxpayers Money Congress... you already owe the rest of the world more money than you actually own.... another of the bad ways to spend... bail out failing banks with promise of ZERO interest over the following years, Bail out failing car manufacturer so that their upper management can keep their outrageous salaries and don't have to sell any of their 7 Private jets, while the real workers take layoffs/ paycuts... you are setting yourselves up for public revolt... fukkin idiots with deep pockets, ruin our fun so the rich stay rich and we stay under control.
  • + 1
 IMBA, 1st rule about building a trail... get permision. On this specific case, in my opinion should find a way to dialogue. Dont let them destroy the jumps and structures already exist and with a commission from trail boss / rider / trail builders and government pussy cats to study the best way to make the track safer, or less dangerous, since it is the problem. Or you guys live in a dictatorship?
  • + 2
 thats rough to watch.

the worst thing is all they are doing is Moving "the problem" on to a different area, its so short minded its almost funny.

Mountain Bikers aren't going away!!!!
  • + 1
 I don't know the history of this place, but you have to go through the right process these days, you can't just build stuff were you want as eventually when a riding spot becomes too popular people start to complain. Myself and others have had the same problems in the past, you have to do stuff by the book. If you go through the right channels you will be suprised what can be done if you communicate with people. It just isn't worth spending time building on land you know you will run in to trouble with. The problem is it takes a lot of time to get stuff passed, but in the end it is worth it. I do feel sorry for the guys that built this though.
  • + 1
 This is another example of a politician finding a cause to pander to his constituents to make himself look good so he may an keep himself in power. If this really bothers you then get out and vote. If your not old enough then try having a conversation with your parents. But remember that politicians are more interested in keeping their job and making money, so try and find a way to manipulate them like they manipulate voters during election time.
  • + 1
 Sad to hear this. In the end, biking is one of the most ecological sports out there, that keeps off many people from doing things like get drunk and take drugs because they don't have anything better to do. I'm totally against this "Safe the forest" shit of the State. I truely believe that some mountainbiker and trails are better than diggers and machines to destroy the trails. Look how big those trails are. Nobody would go out and destroy the whole trail just with a hammer and his hands.

This whole process is just running out like this: People go out and build new trails. State gets angry and creates some new laws which don't allow mountainbikes to ride in the forests.

If i would life there, i would go out, shred these trails and whip my rearwheel at Mark Maurens f*ckin head.
  • + 1
 St Ed;'s and paradise Valley have actually been on the list of proposed parks by the state for several years now. If it were not for the efforts of guys like Thomas Fitzpatrick (evergreen mtb) and several other key people within that organization, St Ed's would have been gone a long time ago. Or at least, gone on paper, legally. Although Tom and his work parties had to tear down many illegal and poorly build mtb stunts and TTF's in both locations, the trails are still there due to his, and evergreen's efforts.
  • + 1
 Dear State Department of Natural Resources and Mark Mauren. I was recently in Washington riding on one of your Mountain bike trails and I fell off my mountain bicycle. I have not yet received my 2.1 million dollars and was wondering what the hold up is. Please send my 2.1 million dollars immediately as money is a little tight right now and I need to buy a few things, like beer, pizza, and a helicopter. Thanks for your time, I will be eagerly waiting for my check.
  • + 3
 Man I just don't know how anyone survived at all for hundreds upon hundreds of years without all these rules. Glad to see THIS is on someones to do list. Jezuz.
  • + 1
 fuck the Americanised society, all that lawsuit shit, mountain bikers know the deal and would never sue anyone because of a crash... i have had the same shit with forestry worried about being sued at my local meaning all out trails were destroyed... sigh...
  • + 2
 You are right about Americanised society and EXTREMELY Wrong. You are right that the majority of the world is in a society that Corporate America paved the way for, and that Corporate America is SCREWED. You are wrong because America was founded on the exact opposite of values, of which we don't even adhere to anymore. So I hate to be the harbinger of truth but, your anger should be directed towards the Banking & Corporate system that used the values America introduced as a rues for staging a Oligarchic take over.
  • + 1
 Im just gunna stop pretending i understand politics! im allways wrong!!!
  • + 1
 if they (the government) smashed my trails, I would go smash some of their stuff, give em the finger and say heres your two million dollar law suit you wankers.
sure, two wrongs dont make a right, but it would make me fell a hell of a lot better lol
  • + 1
 Having part of my trail torn down, I feel for these guys. I too put a lot of efforts and in the end, action came in the form of creating a trail society that took over the trails and now we have more trails to ride. I just wish the Government would think longer term as opposed to short term fear of lawsuits and destroy a lot of really well built trails. I hope there is good that comes out of this. I really hope this won't deter people from riding and encourage them to band together and be recognized. Progress is measured in months and years not days in this case. Good luck
  • + 3
 Who the f*ck wants to ride their bike down forest service roads? haha. The government is a bunch of pricks
  • + 2
 honestly shit like this makes me sick. Fuck all the mother fuckers that have their minds on lawsuits. sorry for cursing but i could cuss these people out for dayyyyyyys
  • + 4
 NO FUN ALLOWED! Thanks, The Fun Police
  • + 3
 Yeah, that's a good idea. Waste money dismantling a group of people's hard work.
  • + 2
 I feel for the local riders.... those"officials" making ridiculous statements about liability and "environmental impact" wind me up so much - they're idiots.
  • + 1
 They say that it scars the environment BS. I bet if you left it alone for a year or so you wouldn't even be able to tell that there were trails. This is gay. First galbraith is getting all screwed up and now this place.
  • + 4
 "Still My Shovel Gently Weeps"
  • + 2
 i think this is the only thread on pinkbike where every single person agrees what they have done here is wrong and not a single person with neg props!
  • + 3
 i have broken plenty of bones while ridin does that meen the goverment owes me loads of money? pmsl.
  • + 2
 Dude did you see that sweet air I got out of that semi rut? So gnar. Lets go destroy our tires skidding around gravel corners now!
  • + 2
 This Country need do something about each person responsibility I feel like living some bad dream ....what lawsuit ...what ski area boundary ....wake up
  • + 4
 what kind of evil people do this!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • + 5
 Your men and women of congress.. sadly..
  • + 3
 People Mock what they don't understand. I cringe when I hear someone say "Mountain bike ramps". To any mountain biker, that news reporter sounded extremely uneducated. To a non mountain biker, everything they see and hear about this subject sounds legitimate. Its an uphill battle folks, good thing bikes and climb.
  • + 2
 i wish we could tear down these f*cking govenment officials homes. i almost guarantee there homes were funded with "illegal" income.
  • + 1
 This guys are a pussy, because if it were not for the mountain bikers many times to clear the land, when the owners do not, certainly there would be many fires. and destroy the forest
  • + 4
 It's like watching them kill puppies.
  • + 2
 Someone should go ride the FS roads up there and get hit by one of the government vehicles driving around and sue the shit out of them.
  • + 2
 instead of destroying it why not keep it build more trails and then turn it into a bike park and charge a small fee for upkeep and insurance
  • + 1
 I just sent an email to Mr. Mauren detailing how I will spend my money traveling to places like Utah and Colorado where more enlightened public land managers are employed rather than Washington. What a waste.
  • + 5
 I love canada!!!
  • + 1
 Facepalm This suxx!! I wish i lived in BC, Canada Frown ...
  • + 0
 ahaha so apparently building a few jumps and berms and stuff costs you 2.1 million to take down , they could have gave it to charitys ( me ) or homeless or poor , yeah if you made it all in solid gold , better than these people going round stealing cars and smashing stuff up !
  • + 4
 THEY TOOK YER JOB ! DADURP DURP
  • + 1
 DUUUURRRRP!!!
  • + 1
 Kind of pathetic how the video portrays mountain bikers as reckless, and almost as criminals. I can not imagine any biker sueing for something that was their fault, like crashing, etc. Such a waste of awesome trails...
  • + 2
 Riding the forest service roads doesn't sound like an ample substitute for the state taking down a totally sweet trail network...
  • + 3
 To think I just rode that on Sunday. Sad day for the WA bike community. All that hard work destroyed.
  • + 4
 something just died inside of me.
  • + 3
 do you reckon that guy with the white builders helmet fucks his wife with a copy of the state law regulations in his hand
  • + 1
 Reminds me the delta watershed back in the day. The goverment responded harshly due to risk of litigation and chainsawed the place. The hard work of a few did manage to get trails sanctioned there.
  • + 2
 I FU#KING WANT TO BLEED EVERYONE IN THAT VIDEO (EXCEPT THE DUDE WHO BUILT THE TRAILS) BUT HE CAN WATCH ME DO IT! WHAT A BUNCH OF DICKS!!!
  • + 1
 fucking government douce bags, Law suites hahah yeah that be the day, old fucks like the guy in his hard hat and blue jacket are just mad people are having more fun then he is and that they are not making any money from it.
  • + 1
 truly sad . mtbikers dont ask for much ,typical of governments, if they have no interest in it then it doesnt matter, so sad. i just hope this isnt a sign of things to come!!...
  • + 3
 Its disgusting to watch them axe up all those bridges and shovel out all those berms. They look like savage animals.
  • + 2
 we all know this feeling as mountain bikers. i feel so sorry for the guys who dont have a place to ride anymore. but dont stop, keep riding!
  • + 5
 welcome to America!
  • + 3
 So f-ing stupid. Look at how well those features were made! Those guys are having a helluva time TRYING to destroy them.
  • + 1
 I wish they could see how long it takes to build a good trail. I mean to find the spot, clean the place, build the jumps, bridges etc. Freaking government people.
  • + 1
 huuumm , so now we can sue the government if we got those whips wrong? ..... "hello?!.... Trek Store? Save me a brand new session 9.9"
  • + 3
 fucking lame what a bunch of bitches
  • + 1
 there are starving kids in china! nope! instead of helping feed the hungry, we're gonna spend all our money to suck the fun out of everyone! some people's children...
  • + 1
 Let Mark Mauren know what you think about his decision.

Mark Mauren
Assistant Division Manager Recreation Public Access and WCC Section
360-902-1047
mark.mauren@dnr.wa.gov
  • + 1
 this is bloody stupid what a bunch of wankers to do this to some pretty sick looking trailes but arnt riders still the public ???
  • + 3
 i REALLY wanna punch the homie in with the sledge hammer
  • + 1
 Dannnng! The only small sense of pride I got from that was how hard it looked for those guys to dismantle the stuff. Looks so well built. It will be missed
  • + 2
 ouch just ouch that hurt to watch i hope all those involved in trail wrecking die a very pain full death
  • + 1
 Build 3 more trails for every trail they tear down! Get your posse together and build day, night, and every spare minute of your life.
  • + 4
 MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!
  • + 1
 And thus the illusion of FREEDOM shatters , i doubt the eagle had shed a tear drop over this, this makes me MAD even from a gagilion miles away!!!
  • + 2
 SUCKKKKK IIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTT maybe the state can get off there FAT ASSES and get some exercise
  • + 2
 how is that trail abuse its for having fun jeez CDR cut some slack for f*** sakes
  • + 2
 sad day when government BS is enforced on people who are out enjoying nature Frown
  • + 1
 this is so sad, they say were messing with the land but when they rip everything out and destroy everything its way worse than it every was....i say keep building!
  • + 1
 yeah cuz a ramp an bridge OVER a creek are destroying nature yeah right an if you ask me that guy looked like he was havin too much fun cuttin down that ramp
  • + 1
 just to avoid lawsuits this is what happens to that trail? OMFG! how retarded. what have they been eating or doing lately? probably none that's why it came to this.
  • + 1
 Well why not sue the state for this... perhaps, what is the state, who makes the state....? I don't wanna answers i know what it is... just think about this....
  • + 2
 Very big waste of time and money. These trails arent hurting no body and its good fun. Lucky i live in Canada...
  • + 1
 I hope the guy swinging the sledge hammer upside down hits that jump so the hammer bounces off and he hits himself in the nut sack... that would teach em!
  • + 1
 hmmmm where did i see actions like this..... ? hmmmm..... in my forest, they ruined all my trails .... same shit different day,
  • + 3
 this videos traumatizing. wish i hadnt watched it
  • - 1
 If SO MANY PEOPLE SAY IT IS MONEY RELATED, WHY DON'T YOU PROPOSE TO YOUR GOVERNMENT THE IDEA OF PAYING A "RIGHT" TO RIDE THE TRAILS, THEN YOU GET A DECAL YOU PUT ON YOUR BIKE AND IF YOU'RE SPOTTED BY A RANGER YOU'RE CLEARED IF YOU HAVE THE DECAL, OR PLASTIC ID OR WHATEVER. BIKERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY A YEARLY FEE, THAT COULD BE USED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO MAINTAIN THE AREA, PRODUCE SIGNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I AM SURE EVERY BIKER WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY A SMALL YEARLY FEE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO RIDE SAFELY HIS FAVORITE LOCAL TRAILNETWORK.
  • + 1
 I totally understand and agree....... but don't forget this is 'public' land.
  • + 3
 Dear Mark Mauren,
Go f**k urself and Die I a hole......A**hole
  • + 3
 there going to build a mcdonalds their and a carpark..
  • + 3
 A general rule of thumb here in the US is that if it's fun, its illegal.
  • + 2
 Having fun while you try to be healthy is officially illegal ! So sorry for you guys
  • + 2
 That dude just made so many people unhappy and pissed Id hate to be him......
  • + 3
 I did in fact shed one tear after watching this..
  • + 1
 me to bud rest in peace trails
  • + 3
 I am not watching that video. Time for some public disobediance.
  • + 1
 "we heard you like riding bikes so we're gonna take out all this cool fun stuff and make you ride on the service road instead hurr durr." makes sense to me.....
  • + 3
 Thank you government.... worthless sissy @$$ holes.
  • + 2
 Also, nobody gives a fuck about your shitty service roads. That's not even mountain biking.
  • + 4
 Land Nazis!
  • + 2
 why would they destroy bridges. someones gotta make them over the creaks....
  • + 3
 lets take 5 seconds of silence for our fallen trails....
  • + 1
 This video was really depressing to watch...., who the f*** is going to sue to the state for crashing on their bike on a trail, more likely to sue them for an awful fire road
  • + 1
 i got the plan! lets all claim group our money 2gether go buy a mountain n tell the man to go f#ck him self n get off our land
  • + 3
 who the f*ck only wants to only ride service trails?
  • + 3
 Sad day , to bad we are just going to build them back up...
  • + 2
 Welcome to america, the land where you can sue for spilling coffee on yourself...
  • + 1
 that old guy is pissed at bikers cause if someone gets hurt is on his ass i say get a guy thats into biking into his position so this dosent happen!
  • + 1
 That's a shame. Next they will try to get bicycles booted. It is the same pecking order everytime. First they boot the motorcycles, then the pedalbikes.
  • + 2
 that Mauren Dbag is epitomizes everything that is wrong with our government...
  • + 2
 Disgusting they make it seem like mountain bikers are the devil.
  • + 2
 God what a waste. That's America for you.
  • + 2
 DOUCHE BAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • + 1
 ''Mountain bikers are still welcome to ride the forest service roads'' no thankyou
  • + 1
 It's so fu#king stupid that words cant describe it. Lawnsuit here n there.. It makes me sick, UAAACCK!!
  • + 1
 People and there old school thinking. i feel for the builders and riders of Whatcom
  • + 2
 I'm going mountain biking in Washington....I need the money...
  • + 2
 I will ALLWAYS ride ILLEGAL trails! Big Grin
  • + 1
 Let young people take more drugs, alcohol, tobacco! but does not build trails and playing sports.
  • + 1
 Wow very sad. Reminds me of the photos of prohibition. But just like that you can't stop this!!!!
  • + 2
 I hope People like him die of Cancer in the Archeee!!!
  • + 1
 Seeing those mallets and pickaxes being used was like watching someone being murdered. Makes me feel sick.
  • + 1
 Also, was I the only one that felt like that video was kinda like a snuff film? I couldn't watch it through...
  • + 2
 What can men do against such reckless hate?
  • + 2
 Its not abuse its making good use of the land.
  • + 2
 Welcome to Ununited State of Assholes in the year of 2012....
  • + 3
 CUNTS
  • + 1
 R.I.P trails and FUCK the goverment they can take down skate park's but never destroy DH trails
  • + 1
 I suggest since you all are so close to bc, Canada why not just move u will never see that issue again, just an idea!
  • + 5
 " I suggest since you all are so close to bc, Canada why not just move" - I personally live in FL, but if it were only that easy! Getting a Canadian work visa is re-donky kong difficult. Got a hot sister?

"u will never see that issue again" - Building on the Crownland is still illegal. I actually heard that one of the main reasons they haven't been destroyed due to lack of Gov't funds (which is working in their favor), but when upwards of 50% of your income is going to taxes, where does it all go? Oh yeah, "free" healthcare!

Note: This is not a knock on Canada, all you crazy PBers. I wish I lived in BC for real!
  • + 1
 Ya sorry about that was just being a smart ass but if you read my other post on this issue you would know that in Canada they build mtb parks on our conservation areas for us and charge a small $6 fee per ride to access the park and they maintain and add on to them and do a great job! I live 30 min outside Toronto and there must be 15 at least within a 3 hr drive and that's being conservative most likely double that if I took the time to check! They also have private parks as well.
  • + 1
 And by the way 50% of our income does not go to taxes I pay about 20% of my pay and then just order everything online from USA or china so I don't pay the high retail prices and taxes here! And I am native so I get free everything to do with healthcare and dental , and I don't require a green card or visa and only pay 5% retail taxes regardless soooooooo I love Canada and so does my 2 sons who get all the same benefits includeing free post secondary education! Like I said that sucks what happen in this video!!
  • + 1
 I got about 20% for taxes from income, another 13% for H.S.T, my father is native(Algonquin Tribe) His parents live on the reserve and I was denied a status card... ur lucky Jeff and your sons as well... I was the white kid on the reserve, and the red in my hicktown... and still no card, lol... I gotta pay dental and secondary.
  • + 1
 Wish I could more there! I'd be a BC resident in a second over living here in the states! The whole getting a working visa and maybe even establishing Canadian residency is nearly impossible!
  • + 2
 Once again, F*ck them all.
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 can't even count how many of my trails have been taken down i know how it feels.
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 3 words: IMBA ride center. Get working on it. Some Imba lawyers could help get some legal trails in there
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 wow fuck that guy in ther blue jacket, acts like such a douche
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 Fuck The Police, In Any Form, Build More Trails.
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 don't worry seattle. you can still ride the service roads. sounds fun to me.
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 Build in the fire roads they let us ride. It's I'm sense the stat said so.
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 casey, what are you trying to say? haha. Since the state said so? it's ok?
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 Same thing happened in Toronto last year they went into a bunch of parks with bobcats and took down our DJ's Frown
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 That was on native protected land that's a whole other issue, why even build in high park u can ride so many places made no sense at all
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 It wasn't just high park many local spots that were taken down that were not ancient native burial grounds.... ... ... ...many kids and older students also dont have money or means of transportation. Toronto needs an upcoming of new legal dirtjumps in the city somewhere perhaps we should contact our MP's and ask for a few "Enter at own will" signs. Big Grin
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 And further, look into what kind of development agencies are eyeing the land.
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 It kills me to see hard work being destroyed !
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 In the words of Walker and Texas Ranger from talladega nights......ANRCHY!!!!!!!!!!!
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 looks like mountain bikers are getting the hardcore bad ass image back.
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 that guy could go fuck him self
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 Taxes at work. Backwards.
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 so is the plan to rebuild them?
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 ANARCHY!
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 Fucking Government!!!!! Your right bud, that hurt a lot to watch.
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 feel free to go fuck yourself, mark mauren
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 Sad day for the boys on the west side
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 @ss holes
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 Where is the humanity of these people?
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 This is so wrong!
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 shat fucking stupid
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 i think im going to cry!....really
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 that is totally messed up!
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 booooooooooooooo! some much hate for those council guys!!!!
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 This really sucks big time!
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 fuck the world cause the world fuck me
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 Poj*balo ich zeby taka miejscowke zajebista niszczyc!
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 It's not Mark Maureen, it's Mark MORON !
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 Day 4 and post 4.... Still think Mark Meuron should hoop his own forehead.
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 BOOOOOO!!!!!!
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 depressing stuff. sum1 should shoot the douche in the video !
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 1 Word W*nkers
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 that sucks, looks like such a good trail :C
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 Same S*IT all over the World!!! Same Problems over here in Germany...
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 That fucking pisses me off....
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 Tragedy
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 WANKERS.
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 How can we contact those twats?
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 thats bull shit
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 Trails get built, then torn down. The world turns. Build more trails.
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 En España esto ya ocurria desde hace un par de años.
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 just saw this...
vimeo.com/40136320
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 thats so sad. there dicks for smashing it all up.
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 FUCK THE CDR
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 that sucks balls i wanted to go ride that >:O
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 NO COMMENTS. JUST BULLSHIT...
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 This is so wrong, I feel disturbed by this.
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 Tears rolling down my cheeksFrown
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 Our government sucks
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 our government doesnt know what its doing. they need to get there shit strait. if Rick Santorum become president, it just gives me all the more reason to move to Canada.
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 That is terrible. i cant believe the government sometimes
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 I would be chaining my self to trees
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 the "MAN" always wins.. retarded!
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 FUCK THE GOVERNMENT
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 this horse shit
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 Sorry to hear about the trails Frown
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 what gay dawgs
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 that's bogus
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 Why? Just why....
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 This is bull shit
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 Nooooooo!!!!!
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 They're so wrong...
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 "This is public land, it's open for public use, but it's not open for public abuse"
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 this is just sad...
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 wow. just rediculous
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 pathetic and pointless
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 that hurt too watch!
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 That sucks!
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 mark mauren is a bitch
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 Make it from dirt duuuh not from wood...dirt ramps seem natural Smile
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