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Meet Dave Garland and Danny Hart's Bike

Jun 28, 2012 at 14:47
by Charles A Robertson  
Dave Garland (Danny Harts mechanic) gives an insight into his background:

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Dave Garland talks us through what it takes as a WC mechanic working on Danny Hart's bike:

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  • 54 3
 I love the mechanics response, "well thats line choice, He's gotta pick a better line". AKA not a darn thing I can do.
And the no look spoke tune up. love it. lol
  • 12 6
 Yeah that spoke tune just made me laugh, no looking and conversing with an interviewer? wow
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flag cedric-eveleigh (Jun 29, 2012 at 19:16) (Below Threshold)
 Haha it is pretty funny to see, but he is just tightening the spokes, he's not truing the actual wheel. I know that because I have the same wheels and I do it very often, it becomes natural Razz
  • 14 2
 Yeah, any tech thats been doing it long can tension a DH wheel by feel. You don't need to look because you know its not perfectly straight, you just gotta get the structural rigidity back, not the true
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flag R-trailking-S (Jun 29, 2012 at 21:15) (Below Threshold)
 if tension is even, just turn all the spokes the same amount. bingo, tensioned and still true...
  • 42 2
 5-6 set of tyres in a weekend! thats like me in 5-6 seasons
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flag amosmo (Jun 30, 2012 at 0:45) (Below Threshold)
 did you notice that danny's braking bars are revesed? the right one controlles the front wheel!!!
  • 28 2
 All bikes in the UK are like that
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flag kylesligo (Jun 30, 2012 at 1:40) (Below Threshold)
 Yep Ireland, Uk, Nz, Europe all on right.
  • 6 1
 no not Spain and many other Eurozoners!!!
  • 7 1
 @kylesligo - Only Ireland and UK to my knowledge run it like that in Europe. The rest of the continent is right-rear, left-front. Over here it's even referred to as Euro set up.
  • 4 0
 You would be surprised in NZ a lot if us are right rear!
  • 1 0
 oh really
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flag andyd2506 (Jun 30, 2012 at 5:36) (Below Threshold)
 sorry but disagree I been running my tires since last year and raced about 6 weekends on them so how can you say that simoo?
  • 6 0
 simoo was referring to the front brake on the right thing, not the tires andy
  • 12 7
 I think they should make all bikes with front brake on right side. Then it would be more like a motobike. UK knows wuts up.
  • 9 1
 It was/is to do with the side of the road we drive on. In the UK, turning right on the road involves braking while signalling, this is easier to do while braking with the rear. Hence Rear-Left.
  • 1 0
 Well change 16 C.F.R. Part 1512...
  • 3 0
 dirtyslim. You can always swap em, so in a way they come both ways. And I see bies like that in the US all the time. Or people ask to have it set up that way when they purchase a bike. Though it certainly more common across the pond
  • 2 0
 Its should really be down to personal preference in regards to which sides to put the levers, i like the UK set up as for right handed people (the majority), you control the front (and most important) brake with your dominant hand. Makes sense to me
  • 1 0
 I have always run mine on the right on the MTB, on the BMXs i have them all over the place!

I have been using GripShite and was thinking on sticking the front brake on the LH to see if braking/gearchange feels better?
  • 2 1
 @chadderz... yes but if you want to ride fast you don't want to use too much brake, excessive front brake (front brake being more powerful) slows you down too much, and excessive use of the front brake destabilizes things. Some riders use a lot more rear brake more to use the back of the bike as if steering with the back of the bike....lots more focus on getting the front set up right and not worrying about what is going on behind the rider (centre of bike/rear wheel), so for some people the normally dominant right hand is better set up for the rear brake. Also better in wet weather when you absolutely want to stay off the front brake on wet roots and greasy rocks and just sue rear brake. Just my 2c
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 ooops apologies to simoo I stand corrected Frown hides head in shame LOL
  • 19 0
 Funny that Giant still routes the cables down the bottom of the downtube when Danny and Needles use zip ties to reroute it on the top of the tube.
  • 3 0
 I'm going to do that now! Always one thing that annoyed me about the bike!!!!!! Thanks for pointing it out!!!
  • 3 0
 Yeah I got to do that too. Where the cables are currently is not ideal when shuttling in a ute.
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 I didn't even notice that
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 yeah good idea, but I cant figure out how he can install the cables trough the shock area ???
  • 1 0
 Ya I went to soo it then was like wait how's that gunna work! Have to look closer at the video
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 Appears to run under the shock between the frame. Makes sense...
  • 9 2
 $40 apiece for the angleset more like it.

He must be light to run those pressures, unless the tyres are stiffer than my Schwalbe "tubeless ready" No.3 Trailstars.

It's the law in the UK that all bikes must leave the shop with a right front brake and left rear. I think it's the same in Aussie. It makes sense. Most dextrous hand on the most important brake for one, and the obvious every motorbike ever made in the past seventy years or so has the right front setup. I don't know how a lot of these guys can ride their motorbikes with the right front and then jump on a pushbike with the left front. I think a loss of performance or control is inevitable, because it can't be as intuitive if your setups are different.
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 Ya, I always wondered how they could run such low pressure and be fine but if your goin through 3 or 4 wheels i guess in aint that big a deal I ride moto too and I have never gone from one to the other and been confused. It does make more sense though to have brakes setup just like everyone else in the world!! silly americans with their flip flopped brakes and standard measuring systems!
  • 1 0
 My old bmx's came from the USA and had just a rear u brake with the lever on the right. But when i started mtbing i needed to relearn this braking thing. Had to run the bmx brake on the left, but upside down
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flag jaame (Jun 30, 2012 at 1:52) (Below Threshold)
 The European way is also left front, right rear.

We Britishers are the odd ones out, but our way has clear practical advantages. Same with driving on the left. Only a third of the countries in the world do that, but it has clear practical advantages. It's actually better to drive on the left, and it's actually better to have a front-right setup on a bike. Not just different.

So, carbon Glory in August? I haven't sen any spy shots as yet but they HAVE to don't they? Spesh, Trek, Santa Cruz, Yeti, there are more I've forgotten no doubt. I'm usually about five years behind the times but I'm fully sold on carbon. I definitely want a carbon bike next up. I can admire the engineering on a nice ally bike, especially something as beautifully made as a Giant, but those carbon rigs look like they were grown, not made. The carbon swingarm on the V10 has me salivating. Giant are going to be left behind if they don't release the carbon Glory for 2013.
  • 6 0
 How is it better to drive on the left? In Sweden they changed from driving on the left to driving on the right. Personally, I would trust the Scandinavians to make the right decision. I'm guessing you also think that imperial system of measurements is superior to metric.

As for the lever setup, it is down to personal preference. Same as tire pressure, fork compression, bar width, etc. What suits you may not suit some one else. Yes, it makes sense if you ride moto but not every one does, but there are plenty of riders out there who ride different lever setups on their mtb and their moto and it makes no odds. I had different setups on 2 different pushbikes at one time and it didn't make any difference.

Ultimately, it is all down to what you are used to and comfortable with, when it comes to things like that.
  • 3 0
 I prefer my front brake on the right as I am right handed and have more strength and control in my right hand. That's why it's better for me but it's just what you're used to as to where it is better.

As for driving on the left, it's better because we say so Razz
  • 4 0
 this right-front and right-back discussion is bollocks..you say it's a clear advantage to use your right hand on the most important break since most people are right-handed, well that might be true if you haven't grown up riding bikes (and therefore havent braked that way for years) but even then i don't think it matters that much, it'such a simple movement to press a break and therefore your hand very quickly gains the sensitivity to do it with control and precision. it's a question of choice..IF and only if you started biking now, then it might me more handy to use your better hand on the front break. As for driving on the left...that's just silly! practical advantages?? rubish..it would be far more practical to do it the way the rest of europe does it. And the imperial measurement units...I believe everybody can tell the advantage of having 100 cms in a meter instead of 12in in a foot right? the metric units are related to each other in a very helpful way such as: 1Liter = 1 cubic decimeter, and many more, and there are countless conversions that you can do from one to another because they are so simply related. don't get me wrong, I actually love britain and its's gifts to humanity such as monty python and your breathtaking scenerys, but you guys are just as crazy as anybody else! and the royal family....well i'll just shut up lol keep it up danny! breaks wherever!
  • 1 0
 On my moto it feels natural to use right lever as front brake because all the braking stuff is on the right side is on the right side and the clutch and gear are on the left. No problems changing back to my pushbike.
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 I agree the imperial system of measurements is crap.

Obviously having the setup the same from motorbike to pushbike is better than having it different. If you never ride motorbikes less so, but still 90% of people have better manual dexterity with their right hand. True you'll get used to whatever you do, but that doesn't mean your performance is optimal. I almost crashed my motorbike last year by trying to do a fat skid up to my mother in law and pulling the clutch by accident (thinking it was the back brake) because I'd spent all weekend riding my pushbike. Mixups do happen.

The reasons why driving on the left is better are

1. Most people are right eye dominant and therefore see hazards coming from the right more quickly and accurately (check Wikipedia if you don't believe me).

2. Most people are right handed, and having the hand with the most strength and dexterity holding the wheel while the less important hand is changing gear is advantageous. If you don't know how to change gear perhaps you should learn, then you could see I'm right.

Anyone who argues these points is doing so from the heart, not from the head (i.e. you think your way is best but haven't actually thought about why).

As for Sweden changing over, I'd guess it was to fall in line with its neighbours and curtail cross-border problems. Maybe Wikipedia or a Swede could clear that up.
  • 1 0
 I take it you consider Wikipedia to be a credible source of information.
  • 8 2
 Apologies for wasting everyones time on the bike check interview. Next time we will just concentrate on which side the brake levers are and the pro's and con's of left over right etc..
  • 4 0
 lol, for sure. maybe cover pedals too so we can argue about clips & flats again too.
  • 2 0
 don't forget neck braces. Everyone's an expert in that too.
  • 8 0
 It's good to see Dave in these video spotlights again, such a cool guy
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 Sharpy182 what I want to know is, how much does Danny get paid? Or any of the other top pros for that matter. Anyone know a ballpark figure? I'm only guessing but I don't think it's all that much.
  • 4 2
 Those mechanics work their butts off! Also, they must go through the price of the entire bike in wheels and tires in one weekend, which I'm sure no non-pro would be able to manage. Very impressive.
  • 1 0
 yeah it is crazy innit, like a set of tires normally last me a season & I've had the same wheels for a year now! Just shows how hard these boys ride.
  • 4 3
 Why does Giant stick with such steep head tube angles on their bikes? The Glory, Faith and Reign X are all about 1.5 degrees steeper than quite a few of their competitors. It seems kind of lame to force everyone to use an angleset on their bikes.
  • 11 1
 youre right. the internets dont approve of these angles!!!
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flag gombo8 (Jun 29, 2012 at 20:28) (Below Threshold)
 ^^internet*, there's only 1 last time i checked. i thought id be a smart ass for your smart ass remark. my work is done here.
  • 4 0
 It's not the internet, it's the riders. Maybe not you, but quite a few people I know like slacker angles for the trails we ride. I've owned the Reign X and would have preferred it with a slacker head tube angle. I have considered buying the Faith, but I would definitely need an angleset for it. Just my opinion, not everyone has to agree.
  • 3 1
 I ride a glory with no angle set and it's fine, it rides super fast and stays stuck it the ground in turns and floats over the rough stuff
  • 4 1
 The advertised head angle on a Glory is with a Fox 40 slammed. Giant should have put the range of angles as Specialized do for their Demo. I reckon the next Glory will be slacker. Just wait a few months. Regardless, not everywhere is as steep as Canada. Australia is not as steep as Canada, and more Maestro bikes are sold in Australia than any other country in the world - and I'm not talking per capita, I'm talking units.
  • 5 2
 It's because Giant want to sell bikes that actually work well, not just please teenagers who look at their websites. That's why they put a 65.5 degree HA on the Glory. It is actually better for most people most of the time. It's also about tooling costs. They don't want to release a completely different design and then change it after a year because it goes out of fashion. What suits a WC racer pushing the envelope isn't the same as what suits you riding in your local woods. Going against my first point, I think when they release the carbon Glory in August, the standard HA will be slacker. Maybe only a bit though. I don't know the exact numbers, but I believe the V10 carbon has a similar HA to the Glory and also the GT Fury has. I run my bike at 65. I tested a TR450 set at 64 before I got it and it felt proper shit. Like a Raleigh Chopper. Let go of the bars and it falls over.
  • 5 1
 @gombo8: -1 internets to you, sir.
  • 1 0
 dont hate on a company for being 1.5 degrees off the fashion, because if you dont ride rock gardens at 40mph, but have lots of tight corners in your local downhill tracks, then 65.5 will be much faster and more fun for you. saying that, this years glory comes with an angleset already installed and next years is 64 degrees. looks like the fashion police gave them a stern talking to.
  • 1 0
 I run my tires at the same pressures with tubes, last year running tubeless it was a bit less and never had a puncture with dual ply maxxis. Tried running single-ply with a bit more air and completely shredded a tube first run I hit it flat out, so no luck trying to shed a bit of weight from the bike. When you only weigh 140lbs you can get away with low pressures.
  • 1 0
 what I want to know is..... how much does he get paid?? he is the wrench man to the current world champ..... sure Gaint are paying him well hopefully. love the Tech vids he does, explains everything so well.
  • 1 0
 ....... and does anyone know if Danny is still running his Power meter on his cranks? someone told me Sam Hill had one also, haven't seen any photos of this on his bike though.
  • 4 2
 not so much about keeping it in one piece but more being fastest down the track
  • 4 3
 Ferdinand Porsche said the perfect race car crosses the finish line in first place and then falls apart, or words to that effect, and well... you know... in German.
  • 7 0
 It was actually Colin Chapman (founder of Lotus). He also said that if it (the car) could keep going for a few more laps it was overbuilt and needed a bit more stripped off it! Mental!
  • 1 0
 "Add lightness" is a classic Chapman-ism, too.
  • 3 0
 I'm pretty sure the equivalent German saying would be the perfect race car would cross the finish line in first place and be able to be driven home after without problems (911)...
  • 1 0
Love it! Wink Those German cars do just keep going and going don't they... If endurance races were a last man standing affair (so to speak) they'd go on for weeks at a time!
  • 1 0
 @ Skootur, Yup, though pricey when they do need maintenance, I like using the 911 as the "real world" race car example. There is a documentary on the 911 I watched where the whole point was to engineer a sports car that would be capable of being driven to a race venue, and just with a swap of tires be raced that very afternoon, then finally driven back home...repeatedly. Although I understand the notion that some race cars are stripped and preened to the point of barely "finishing"...I never bought into that as ideal. I find it more impressive from an engineering perspective if the car can do this while being perfectly reliable.
  • 2 0
 Ah, here's a good example of what I mentioned above: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkSABydEOow
  • 2 0
 Here's a better video of the same: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLPOLWIhjU4
  • 5 6
 Danny's running 25PSI Back and 22PSI Front. I'm running 25PSI Front and 28PSI Back, though I must admit I'm 175lbs and Danny is about 150 at the most (Well I think). Is it just me or did he sound hesitant about pronouncing Danny Tire pressures ?
  • 5 0
 Honestly he should be a little - its just one more piece of info about their setup that competitors could hear - especially while still at the same venue before the actual race.
  • 2 0
 are you riding tubeless?
  • 6 0
 do you really think so?? all people involved in professional dh competition knows pretty well the best tire pressures for each particular rider! there is no need that demands to keep it a secret! btw, the hesitance is natural considering the setup variations for each track/tire...
  • 2 1
 Nope, not tubeless.
  • 1 0
 pressure is an entirely personal preference and is stupid to be kept secret. i am only 135lbs yet i'm happiest with 26psi on both ends to prevent tire from folding in corners.
  • 1 0
 How about Danny running DT Swiss ex500 rims, those are for enduro I thought? Weight choice Being about 100g lighter each? I would roll the fr600 rim, but I NEED it.
  • 3 0
 Lot of WC riders run enduro rims for the weight shedding. Some DTSwiss riders run the ex1750, emilie siegenthaler (sorry for any spelling mistake Big Grin ) even runs the tricon 1550. So yeah, they're trying to find the best choice between weight and strength. The Syndicate used to run AM rims from Enve, but now they've got the DH one.
  • 3 1
 Garland moved from CRC/Nukeproof to Giant...good choice
  • 1 1
 Wow that is a low tire pressure. Even for a little dude. Anything below 28 psi and my tire roles in corners.
  • 1 0
 do you mean it rolls in berms when you're railing or rolls in flat corners?
cos i imagine somewhere like windham isnt lined with berms like aline or something like that.

I'm actually really curious to know?
  • 2 1
 5-6 tyres per weekend !! Maybe 2 pairs per year for me.
  • 6 0
 If my tyres didn't last a year my wife would kill me!
  • 1 0
 getting a good look at the new vivid at 00:09, looks sweet Smile
  • 2 2
 WELL, found out fuck all about danny's bike from this appart from the shit that gets broken
  • 2 1
 All I can say is. Im scandinavian.
  • 1 0
 what happened to get on it and ride it. ah the old days are long gone.
  • 1 1
 anyone else not watch it cuz they wanted to fave a photo of dannys bike?
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 21-25 psi in the tires? isnt that a little low?
  • 1 2
 Why does he have an intense badge in his toolkit?
  • 1 4
 Dany Hart brakes are opposed. Just see the brake cables

He brakes the front wheel with the right brake lever, and the rear wheel with the left brake lever.

Strange Razz
  • 2 2
 its moto style. If he rides a moto-x frequently it makes all sense.
  • 1 2
 Top Guy, Lives 2 minutes down the road from me. LEGEND.
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