Review: The Antidote Carbonjack 29 is Fast & Precise

Apr 7, 2021 at 7:05
by Dan Roberts  



Antidote have been making bikes for the past decade in southern Poland. Started by two friends, the inspiration came from the abundance of limitations and issues they found in downhill bikes available at the time. What spawned was their Lifeline bike, and soon after their patented FDS, or Floating Damping System, suspension layout.

With only three bike options available, Antidote set themselves apart by doing everything in-house. All of the steps, from mould manufacturing to the composite layup itself are done in Poland, and the guys evidently pride themselves in attention to detail and craftsmanship.

The Carbonjack 29 is their latest bike offering, a bigger wheeled version of the Carbonjack that has been around for a few years, and is dubbed as a “full enduro racing weapon”. More on that later, and why it might be selling the bike a little short. But first, all the details.
Carbonjack 29 Details

Intended use: Riding
Rear wheel travel: 150mm
Fork travel: 160mm
Wheel size: 29"
Material: Carbon fiber main frame and rear triangle, aluminum links
Sizes: S, M, L (tested) & XL
Weight: 14.5kg / 31.97lbs (L, w/o pedals)
Price: From €3,799 frame only, from €7,699 full bike.
More info: antidotebikes.com




bigquotesThe Carbonjack is a firm and fast climber. There’s an overwhelming directness to it when you’re on the power. There’s a sense that it’s all going into propelling you forwards. Never is there the slightest hint of bob from the suspension and that taught feeling makes it dispose of the vertical meters with ease. Dan Roberts


Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
The composite main frame and swingarm use a mix of carbon fiber and Vectran to get the strength, weight, stiffness and ride characteristics that Antidote are after.
Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
The upper and lower links are aluminum, with the lower rotating around the BB and the upper being a three piece, bolted construction.


Construction and Features

The Carbonjack is a 29” wheeled, 150mm rear travel bike paired with a 160mm travel fork. Antidote says that you can even run the bike with a 170mm fork if you like, although the geometry will alter a little.

Both the mainframe and rear triangle are constructed from carbon fiber composite and made in Poland. Holding the two together are two aluminum links and some titanium screws. Our test bike was finished in a high gloss lacquer showing off the woven carbon fiber material underneath, although Antidote offers an array of finishes including the option of a fully customisable paint job if you’re willing to pay.

The mainframe also incorporates Vectran into the composite mix, a spun polymer fiber that has a high strength and that Antidote adds into the mix to up the impact resistance as well as strength of the whole structure.

Cables are internally routed through both the mainframe and rear triangle with a short section that loops the cables under the threaded bottom bracket.

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
Cables are internal in both the main frame and swingarm, with a short section under the BB where they pass from one to the other.
Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
The brake mount bolts in from below and not only houses the threads for all the bolts, leaving the frame to be simpler and easier to make, but small grub screws to secure the bolts in place.

The upper aluminum link is 3 pieces and uses long titanium screws and some locking keyways to turn it into a single rigid part. The lower link houses the bottom bracket and so is concentric to the crank axle. It uses a wedge style axle arrangement to mount it to the mainframe.

There’s a specific Antidote brake mount with even some tiny grub screws to stop any important bolts coming lose and two options for 180mm and 203mm rotors that tuck the brake caliper behind the seat stay tube.

There are more neat features, like the chunky-velcroed on mudguard that uses the chain stay and seat stay bridges as mount points and extends to completely cover the shock and protect it from flying debris and stops mud build up in the space between the mainframe and rear triangle. In that space, the shock is actually mounted at 90° to usual via a small shock extender. This enabled Antidote to package the shock as they wanted and also opened it up to easier access to the adjusters.

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
Every inch of the swingarm that is prone to chain slap is well protected.
Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
The piggyback end of the shock is rotated 90° via a small extender for better packaging and adjuster access.

Chain slap and frame damage is dealt with by adequate and well stuck on frame protection along the chain stay, underside of the seat stay and up the wafer thin upright.

The cherry on the cake of the details though is the tiny metal serial number badge riveted on down by the bottom bracket, proudly displaying the frame number and showing capping off the pride that Antidote take in their craftsmanship of their frames. Pulling the Carbonjack out of the van in any car park was a sure-fire way to get some attention. The design is angular and striking, and while the holes in the design at the head tube and seat tube might not be for everybody, they can serve as a brilliant place to store a rolled up inner tube.





Antidote Carbonjack 29 Geometry


Geometry & Sizing

The Carbonjack 29 is available in four familiarly named sizes from S to XL that cover reach numbers from 430 to 510 mm. That range is something Antidote communicates as good for covering riders from 162cm to 198cm.

The head angle is 65° across the board and combines with a relatively short head tube length. Our L size test bike was 115 mm long and for my higher bar height preference needed as many spacers as possible on the steerer tube. Further down the testing road it actually needed a higher rise bar to help the bar position out too.

Seat tube angles are quoted for effective horizontal to the top of the head tube and effective at a certain seat height. The angles do differ ever so slightly with the sizes, but in general are quite slack, especially when considering that these are only effective. The actual seat tube angle is pretty damn slack and its offset to the BB is quite big on the Carbonjack 29, likely coming from the suspension layout. Our size L had a 470 mm seat tube length, which is a bit on the long side for modern bikes and their appetite for long droppers. So, it’s good to check your preferred seat height and dropper post combination.

In the middle, there’s a 32 mm BB drop that gives a quoted 344 mm BB height. And out back there are 450 mm chainstays on all the sizes. Antidote does talk a lot about a “Golden Ratio” geometry with the balance of front to rear centres. Without the rear centre changing per size, it’s a bit hard to swallow that marketing pill. But digging a bit deeper it’s actually that the ratio was based around the M and L size frames. Manufacturing a different rear triangle for each size is a tricky addition, so too is lengthening links in a short link suspension system without having a dramatic effect on the bike. Antidote are prepared to make custom rear triangles if the customer is in need of an 8mm longer chainstay, but as yet have received no request for this.

Antidote also quotes useful numbers for recommended seat post lengths and drops for a couple of brands, along with using the spread measurement. That is from the centre of the BB to the top centre of the head tube. It’s one lever in the “bunny hop ratio” as a friend coined it and is an addition to the reach and stack measurements that we already use to describe the hands to feet distance.





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Suspension Design

Antidote’s FDS suspension system is a short link, counter rotating system. But Antidote fixed the shock to both of the links. The lower link to mainframe connection is concentric with the BB. There’s a short extender at the bottom of the shock, which is actually there to turn the piggy back end of the shock 90° for adjuster access and packaging.

The Carbonjack needs a special version of the Öhlins TTX22M shock to fit in the frame. Other shocks on offer, like the Fox Float X2 are a standard version. It uses a 210 x 55 mm shock.

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Leverage Ratio
Leverage ratio.
Antidote Carbonjack 29 Anti-Rise
Anti-rise.

There’s 16% of leverage ratio progression, starting at 2.86 and ending at 2.4. In a familiar short link trait, the first half of travel changes relatively smoothly, followed by a sharp drop in the leverage ratios. This means that most of the feeling of progression in the bike is towards the end of travel with the first half perhaps riding a little more linear than the overall progression amount would suggest.

Anti-squat levels are high on the Carbonjack, with all gears of a 12-speed cassette and 32T chainring being around or a chunk above 100% at 30% sag. These remain high until around two thirds of travel where we see the same short link sharp drop off in percentages. That is also accompanied by a drop in the amount of chain pull, and one of its effects – pedal kickback.

Anti-rise is also high, at around 80% at sag with a drop down to 30% at the end of travel. Meaning that in both acceleration and deceleration (with the rear brake only) there’s quite a bit of countering to the effects of load transfer.

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Anti-Squat
Anti-squat.
Antidote Carbonjack 29 Pedal Kickback
Pedal kickback.






Spec, Options & Pricing

The Carbonjack 29 frame retails for 3799 EUR for the frame only without shock, and is available with the Fox Float X2 for 650 EUR more and, like our test bike, with the Öhlins TTX22M shock for 900 EUR more.

With the Carbonjack, Antidote signalled their first full bike on sale. Standard full bikes are available starting with Fox Factory suspension, Shimano XT 12-speed drivetrain and brakes, OneUp dropper posts and stems paired with Antidotes own Candy Ray bars, Industry Nine wheels and a Maxxis Minion DHF / DHR II tyre combo for 7699 EUR.

There's the option to change to an EXT Era fork, Storia shock and BikeYoke dropper for an extra 200 EUR and an Öhlins RXF 36 m.2 fork, TTX22m shock and BikeYoke dropper for an extra 400 EUR above the base price. Although they will happily mix and match the components to get the build exactly as you want it. But that does mean you have to enquire as the price changes for each specific build.

Standard colours are glossy carbon with grey, yellow or matt black logos. For 150 EUR extra you can have orange logos, for 200 EUR more it’s a custom colour and custom logos, for 250 EUR more two colours frame and for 300 EUR more a full custom colour and logos.

The Carbonjack 29 we tested came specced with an Öhlins RXF36 m.2 fork, TTX22M shock, Shimano XTR drivetrain with XT cranks and XTR brakes, with 203mm rotors front and rear.

DT Swiss provided the wheelset with the EXC 1200 with both 30mm internal width rims being set up tubeless with Maxxis Minion DHF front and DHR II tires in EXO+ casing and 3C Maxx Terra compound. Touchpoints are the Candy Ray bar from Antidote, OneUp stem and 180mm drop post, Race Face grips and a WTB saddle.

The Carbonjack 29 as we tested retails for 8,699 EUR and in L size weighed in at 14.5kg or 31.97lb.





Bike Setup

As mentioned, I tested the L size, which for my 188 cm height felt a good fit. Antidote does say though that I would be able to ride an XL too, as stated in their recommended heights. But I chose the L knowing that I would fit fine with an on paper 480 mm reach and it suiting the riding around Champery and the Alps. I can ride a longer, 510 mm reach bike, but start to feel less of an active part of the ride when the reach numbers go north of 500 mm. Horses for courses.

I aired the fork up to 110 psi in the main chamber and between 210 and 225 psi in the ramp chamber. Knowing that the bike would be ridden all over the place, that gave options to run a touch more forgiving on the tighter, more natural trails and a bit firmer for taking it into the hard-hitting bike parks. Rebound was 9 from fully closed with that being sped up a click when out on those more natural trails in the hills.


Dan Roberts // Technical Editor
Age: 34
Location: Champéry, Switzerland
Height: 188cm (6'2”)
Weight: 75kg (165 lbs)
Industry affiliations / sponsors: Garage Bike Project, former engineer at Scott Sports
Test Locations: Champéry, Morgins, Morzine, Les Gets, Pila & La Thuile

The shock came with a 457 lbs spring, which gave 25% sag and is, I’ve found, to be a good starting point when I get a new and unfamiliar bike. It did find myself however running the rebound pretty closed in most situations. Our bike also came with Cushcore inserts front and rear.

As mentioned, the bike was ridden everywhere from after work blasts on little ribbons of single track high up in the hills to full days in the Champery and Morgins bike parks. That initial idea of the Carbonjack being an enduro race weapon did give me some preconceptions about how it might feel, and this led to a couple of rides before I actually got to know its true self.

I also took the bike to Pila and La Thuile, in Italy, which can give a mesmerising mix of flat out fast and demanding race style tracks to high alpine adventure trails. It also got ridden over in Morzine and Les Gets on some of the well-known trails, but mostly on as many of the hidden away ones that contain softer but frighteningly steep ground littered with roots. Which on a couple of occasions were right after it had rained.


Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot

Climbing

The Carbonjack is a firm and fast climber. There’s an overwhelming directness to it when you’re on the power. There’s a sense that it’s all going into propelling you forwards. Never is there the slightest hint of bob from the suspension and that taught feeling makes it dispose of the vertical meters with ease. There’s no need to lock the suspension out, which is good, as the lever is a long way down there.

While the feel is direct and taught when climbing, the position is more stretched out and rearward. It's something that can be helped by sliding the seat as far forward on the rails as possible, but is an inherent problem of the geometry. Personally, I would have liked to be even more forward, as I enjoy a more over the pedals feeling than recumbent.

That directness does make for a nice climbing bike when the terrain turns more technical, although its tautness does tend to translate to a bit more feedback from the trail to rider. It does, however, make it a bit sportier for getting up a technical climb littered with steps that require more body language to negotiate them. It never really stalls and gets caught up in the travel when you hit a step or larger obstacle.

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot



Descending

On the way down that tight character continues, and this might be where I found that enduro race bike tag to be not exactly spot on. While any bike can be an enduro race bike once it’s in between the tape, the Carbonjack just doesn’t exude that unflustered and steadfast feel that the big enduro race bikes often have in buckets. There’s more of a spring in its step that tends you towards picking the bike up and moving it around rather than charging down a trail safe in the knowledge that you can run over almost everything with your eyes closed.

Part of that is down to the travel. There’s simply not as much of it compared to the 170mm travel and upwards enduro bikes that are becoming more common. More of each hit is coming through to you and the bike asks more of your participation in getting it to the bottom. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, as I like riding bikes, not passengering them.

Part is also down to some of the geometry details. The 65° head angle brings a touch more manoeuvrability into the equation and with a 450 mm chainstay it means that there was never the feeling of faint grip on the front end, even with swapping out the Candy Ray bar for something with more rise to get my hands in my preferred position for the steeper terrains.

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot

It’s also an incredibly light bike, even built with a coil shock and Cushcore, which adds to its direct and agile character. There does feel a bit of a mis-match sometimes in the weight of the sprung and unsprung parts of the bike. The frame, along with a lot of the components on it, are light, whereas the wheels do have a bit more heft in them from the inserts. On occasion I did get the feeling that the wheels were struggling to move with the terrain while the bike itself was doing more of the moving from the impacts. It’s nit-picking, as the inserts brought some security and peace of mind to the carbon DT Swiss wheels and allowed me to think less about the sharp and jagged terrain that might be coming up.

On paper, and in ride feel, the Carbonjack gives more flashes of a longer travel trail bike than enduro race bike. Although there are occasional mixes of the two characters in there. The Öhlins suspension front and rear does a fantastic job of giving ground tracking ability and suppleness that blend into control and composure at higher speeds and rougher terrains. The BB position on the bike is a touch higher than bigger travel enduro bikes and adds to the ease of manoeuvring the bike at a slight expense of really feeling dropped right in there. But for what the bike actually feels like, a true mountain bike, it suits it really well.

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot

It’s a bike that can take on anything, a very good Jack of all trades. Expecting it to be something very tightly defined in character - and enduro race bike - can make you perhaps be disappointed with its actual real-world performance. And it’s a shame, as its performance is fantastic.

For the bigger days out in the saddle, covering lots of varied terrain, the Carbonjack feels right at home. Big days in Pila were taken completely in the bike’s stride, and anyone that's ridden Pila will know that the days can be huge, as well as the peak to valley 2200m descents that take in everything from narrow exposed alpine trails to winding ribbons of forest goodness.

Round the corner in La Thuile, the bike was also really good fun and gets down absolutely everything you can throw at it. Which in La Thuile can be some of the most serious terrain that a little (non-DH) bike can see. It just needs a bit more piloting to be done, a bit more attention to the details of line choice, a little bit more of a mini hop here and there to cancel out some of the bigger oncoming hits. It’s that sharp precision that rewards greatly when it’s done properly, rather than the bludgeoning approach to riding trails. Point and shoot straight lining does work, don’t get me wrong, you just know that you’re going to have to hold on just that touch tighter.





Maintenance

During the whole test period the Carbonjack 29 never missed a beat, with zero issues or niggling problems that needed special attention. It was a case of just grab it and ride every time I headed out. The attention to detail on the Carbonjack extends to the assembly of the bike, with grease and Loctite present and correct in all the necessary places out of the box.

The pivots use mostly standard bearing sizes and standard tools for working on them. They're also sealed, meaning that when I did take the bike apart, just to understand how it’s put together, the bearings were clean and free from any dirt or moisture. Most of the pivot hardware holds pretty well in the frame too, meaning that you generally don’t need three pairs of hands to work on it. The upper link to mainframe pivot does use some really thin washers though, so don’t go losing them.

The lower link to rear triangle pivot uses a collet system. An 8 mm hex tightens the pivot in and a 5 mm tightens the wedge to lock the axle from coming loose. A threaded insert on the drive side keys into the frame and where possible Antidote removed the threads from the large moulded frame parts and put them in something smaller and more easily replaced.

The top link is a three-piece affair that needs unbolting before it can be removed. The lower link is a bit fiddlier to get out of the bike but you don’t need a degree and it is by no means a regular thing to be doing.

All the pivots are easily accessible and can easily be whipped through when checking. The lower shock bolt is a bit hidden away, but removing the rear wheel and chunky velcroed on fender give better access. That fender doing a great job of stopping mud collecting around the shock area of the bike. It’s an easy bike to clean too with only the nooks and crannies around the shock being an area to keep an eye on, but like mentioned, that fender does a stellar job.

The lower shock mount does run on a standard bushing setup, although it’s found in the small extender due to the shock being turned. There’s a lifetime warranty for the original owner with 2 years on the paint finish and suspension bearings.

A brilliant user manual accompanies the Carbonjack with exploded diagrams and descriptions that cover the bearing codes, o-ring sizes, bolt thread and length specs and also all the torque ratings for all pivots and bolts. Also included is a full and detailed setup and checking procedure with information on how to mount the shocks through to setting up the suspension to Antidote’s recommendations, all with detailed descriptions and pictures or illustrations to help.





How Does It Compare?

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
Antidote Carbonjack 29
Privateer 141 Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
Privateer 141

If we were to put the Carbonjack up against some of the other enduro race bikes out there, like the latest Nukeproof Mega, it’s a bit like taking a knife to a gunfight. A very sharp, very dangerous knife, but still a knife. It doesn’t have that absolute steadfastness to its ride, especially in the roughest and most demanding terrain. The kind of terrain that an enduro race bike feels so unflustered in and sometimes allows you to just throw caution to the wind and plough on through. It’s also a little short on travel if we compare it to them too.

Instead, it might be fairer to compare it to some of the longer legged trail bikes out there, like the Privateer 141. Now the Privateer does have 10mm less travel front and rear, but it sure does make up for that out on the trail with a demeanor that takes it way beyond any of the on-paper figures would suggest. Both bikes have 29" wheels and somewhat similar geometry.

In the same terrain the Carbonjack feels like a sharp and precise tool that thrives off being piloted well, whereas the 141 has a bit more of a blunt blow feeling to it and can often suffer through mistakes in the piloting with its sheer bruteness.

The Carbonjack has an astoundingly high level of attention to detail to it whereas the 141 can be a touch rough around the edges in some of its details. Yes, the price difference is considerable and you might expect that level of fit and finish from the Carbonjack. But it does deliver it very well along with many options for personalisation in the buying process.

Some of the geometry points on the 141 are a bit more modern though, like the seat tube angle. The slackness and offset of the seat tube on the Carbonjack probably being the biggest gripe with the bike.

The two bikes essentially get to the bottom of every trail and at pretty much the same speed. But the Carbonjack does so with surgical precision and then when you park it up for a beer it will turn heads from riders and passers by alike.





Technical Report

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
The XTR drivetrain is a dream to use and just seems to get better with age.
Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
And while the XTR brakes have a nice lever feel along with plenty of power and lever adjustability, the same changing bite point problem still occurs.

Shimano XTR Drivetrain: We’ve said it before and I’ve no doubt we’ll say it again. The Shimano 12-speed drivetrains are wonderful. And in top tier XTR guise the shifting performance is at a benchmark level both up and down the cassette no matter the amount of push you’ve got going on through the pedals. The ability to adjust the clutch tension is also welcome, meaning you can get just enough on there to stop dropped chains while not having excessive amounts that impede the chain stretch during travel, all the while allowing you to adjust as the system wears.

Shimano XTR Brakes: The lever feel, adjustment, power and stopping performance of the XTR brakes is very much liked. And with 203mm rotors coming front and rear there were no worries on the steeper trails around the Alps. But, like a broken record, the wandering bit point is there on even the highest end brakes. It’s not something that makes them unrideable, but it is something that is firmly in your attention while riding.

Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
Another dream to use is the Öhlins suspension front and rear. It's soft when you need it, hard when you need that and the adjustments make sense and are in a useable range.
Antidote Carbonjack 29 Review Photo Kifcat Shaperideshoot
The closer you get to the Carbonjack, the more the little details pop out, and the bike is peppered with them.

Öhlins Suspension: The RXF 36 m.2 and TTX22M combo are pretty formidable. They both have a wonderful blend of suppleness and support, along with a usable range of adjustment that can take even the best suspension systems and make them feel just that little bit better. Playing around with the fork’s ramp chamber is a nice tool depending on the terrain and demands and the coil shock’s ability to absorb impacts of all sizes while leaving you with just the right amount of information coming back to you is addictive.

Attention to Detail: Not confined to one particular component, but the Carbonjack is peppered with small details that show someone thought about every little corner of the bike. Good chain slap protection, well covering mud protection, collet pivots, sealed pivots and a spec list that is ready to go for nearly everyone out of the box. And if that’s not to your liking, the personalisation options are even more encompassing.





Pros
+ Utmost craftsmanship & attention to detail
+ Go anywhere, proper mountain bike feel
+ Tight & precise ride characteristic
Cons
- Not an enduro race weapon
- Slack seat tube angle





Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesWe need to put bikes in categories. It makes it easier to digest the spectrum of them. And the category that Antidote puts the Carbonjack in is the “enduro race weapon” category.

While you could for sure race the Carbonjack, and have a good time on it in the process, it sells this bike’s capabilities a bit short. It’s a fantastic mountain bike. One that can go everywhere, do anything and put the smile on the face of anyone looking for a bike slightly outside of the mainstream and one with craftsmanship at its core.

It’s a direct feeling bike, one that gives you the feedback to dart around the forest and hillside with some sprite. It might not have that absolute steadfast and planted stance and character that a full on enduro race bike exhibits, but it isn’t going to stop you from tackling the trails that make the aforementioned enduro race bikes come truly alive, while still bringing you a lot of fun on the trails where those bikes would feel a bit duller.

The Carbonjack is a wonderful, made in Europe, mountain bike with a high level of personalisation available from Antidote. It's going to turn heads when you pull it out of the van and be a hoot to ride on all the trails that a modern mountain bike will ever see.
Dan Roberts







176 Comments

  • 251 3
 Intended use: Riding

Best kind of bike out there.
  • 3 4
 Lol enjoyed this
  • 9 1
 Looks like you could fly it to space, too.
  • 8 0
 New catergory! Its the most useful
  • 2 0
 That's my kind of bike! I'll gladly shuttle to the very tip top of everything in the Pac NW but more often than not I find myself riding up. This looks like the sharpest knife in the drawer!
  • 130 2
 wait what??
small production european bike aka BOUTIQUE cost less than mass produced made in china us boutique??
  • 54 2
 looking at you, Trek, especially
  • 64 3
 Yeah, not to mention that Poland is not a 3rd world country for like 20 years now. Maybe this is the positive outcome of covid, maybe there will be more local brands. Pitty it will all get more pricey.
  • 34 2
 Less? €3800 frame no shock doesn’t seem particularly less to me, pretty sweet though
  • 7 6
 Didn’t I read somewhere earlier this year that Pb was going to put an extra focus on reviewing and featuring lower-cost bikes? So far, all I’ve seen are fairly expensive rides.
  • 89 6
 The best bit about owning a bike like Antidote or Unno is that if you meet people rdiing proudly on Santa Cruz CC bikes you can look down on them and think to yourself: "peasants".
  • 10 0
 @gnarlysipes: somehow we ended up in a situation where a starting price of €7,700 is considered affordable...
(Cue the downvotes and the 'it's totally worth it because it's a lot better bike than the ones from 10 years ago!)
  • 7 0
 What U.S. boutique frame + shock costs $5600 usd?
  • 36 0
 @gnarlysipes, there’s a whole Value Field Test on the way beginning next week.
  • 6 7
 @mikekazimer: you should just put in a value option where you only show bikes that cost under 2k and parts under 50 bucks.

Could have some sweet features like is 10 tyre repair patches too much? How big a crack in your frame before it fails? Suspension is for wimps etc etc
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: What price point does this "value field test" start at? $3k USD?
  • 3 0
 @justwaki: I do that on my mongoose now...
  • 2 1
 If anything would bring Waki back I'd figure it would be something about Antidote. @justwaki: The place hasn't been the same without ya.
  • 2 1
 @dro-cfr: heh no, I had no clue they sent a bike for a review. Finally Smile
  • 1 0
 @justwaki: Na I can do the same thing with brakes...I have TrickStuff all other brakes are for peasants.
  • 68 1
 That cow is huge.
  • 10 1
 And somehow the blurriest thing in the image, stuff the amazing bike I want a giant fuzzy cow!
  • 2 0
 Geometron xxxl sizing
  • 16 9
 @oldfaith: This is called Depth of Field, would be quite impossible to make it sharp with the focal length (lens) used for this shot. It's amazing how people got used to smartphone photography with their tiny sensors, wide focal length and no DoF effect. For your information, people are spending tens of thousands USD/EUR precisely to be able to make a photo of a blurry cow Wink
  • 36 0
 @mattg95: Geomootron?

I'll get my coat...
  • 9 3
 Yes, the cow is huge. However, @dangerholm shorts are not. And he should build an antidote in the most heinous of ways, and in the shortest of shorts with the biggest of quads.
  • 3 0
 @lkubica: I can make it blurry on my 50€ S8. Just make the photo and everything will be as blurry as some nights out before I married
  • 4 0
 Big Polish Cow
  • 4 0
 @theoskar57: No my friend, this is an Apline Cow, the very one which gives milk for Milka (well, the primary ingredient of Milka is probably sugar from polish beet, but never mind Wink ).
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: The problem with DoF is that it can be finicky and focus is crucial. Like that mess of a photo of the cable routing. I had to read the caption to figure out what it was. Completely missed the focus there.
  • 1 0
 They have hooves, not feet. They lack toes.
  • 1 0
 @oldfaith:

My buddy said that one day.........then he got married
  • 3 3
 That cow is not big, City Slickers. It's average. And it's right on the edge of emaciated.
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: in product photography it's called bokeh. but i like your very pedantic explanation too.
  • 1 0
 @flipoffthemonkeys: yes, I know the term bokeh, but had some doubts about using it here. For once it is not very well known, secondly is typically used to separate subject form background. Here, this foreground is there on purpose and it's quite typical composition for landscape photo. Btw, #rossbellgotrobbed
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: #rossbellgotrobbedbyboomers
  • 2 0
 @RayDolor: I dont know if its sarcasm or a plain woosh!?
  • 3 0
 *Channeling Father Ted* Small... Far away. SMALL.... FAR. AWAY!
  • 2 0
 @ybsurf this made me laugh so much for some reason
  • 35 0
 Frame looks good enough to hang on the wall instead of paintings and other art
  • 26 0
 Why do you quote the slack seat angle as a "con" if its climbing capacities are excellent anyway???
  • 25 22
 Suspension is fantastic. As simple as that. The current trend is though: 78 degrees and EVERYBODY must have it, because Leo and other influential tall people in the industry have said so. And MIke Levy is into XC riding and likes climbs and tells everyone about it Big Grin I ride very steep gradients on 74. I'd love a 80 degree seat angle on the steepest climbs. But it starts a chain reaction of consequences to virtually every geo number on the bike, save head angle and BB height. The trend is 78 degrees and you can't change it. I respect this trend nonetheless.
  • 9 1
 Andrew Major wrote an interesting piece on NSMB about seat angles that might be worth a read if you’re interested in opinions other than the latest MTB trends and fashions.
  • 25 10
 @CustardCountry: A good opinion piece indeed, in line iwth my views in a way, but very limited anecddotal evidence to support it - to be fair. My not-conspiracy theory is that tall people made it so because their seats go well above the stack height. Please keep in mind mind that most of these more or less deliberately influential guys: Chris Porter, Paul Aston, Jens Staudt, Leo Kokkonen (very deliberately influential) are relatively tall people who had to deal with bikes that used to be undoubtedly too small for them for all these years.

When companies keep making interrupted seat tubes with rather slack actual numbers, no wonder a 190cm tall person will end up with their seat up to 20mm further back than a shorter or to put it in other terms: a normal person. Stacks and Bb drop combos of most bikes these days put saddle very close to stack height level for people that are the representatives of average male population at 175cm. Count in Billions of Asians who are generally shorter by up to 5cm by average... Tall people will always end up with actual seat position at an effective angle 1-2 degrees slacker than what the manufacturer given effective seat angle is.

I propose that bikes in Large, Xlarge and XXLarge should have proportionally steeper seat angles than those in S and M.
  • 2 0
 @justwaki: as a tall guy, I would agree with all of this but add a distinction between actual and virtual seat tube angles. But again, that only matters if you have a disproportionately long inseam or are tall.
  • 3 1
 The virtual STA on my bike is 74.5° according to the geometry chart, but since I am quite short, I measured my actual STA at about 77°... As a short personn, I really don't care about seat tube angles, but I definitely understand how it can be an issue for tall people.
  • 4 5
 @justwaki: I'm 175cm and I prefer a modern steep seat tube. But the biggest reason why I wouldn't by the Corbonjack is that it the combination of hopelessly tall seat tube and log chain stays. A 440mm seat tube is nowhere acceptable in today's world with long droppers (but looking at the specs it probably wouldn't help to have it shorter, since insertion depth seems to be an issue as well).
  • 3 0
 @eldsvada: i am 196cm and about 60% of that is my legs. This was the main reason i didnt purchase, which is such a shame because the suspension is perfection.
  • 7 6
 @eldsvada: Good marketers will never try to turn a foe on their side. They are only nudging those who stand on the edge to make the step.
  • 4 0
 @eldsvada: I'm 175cm and I prefer a modern steep seat tube. But the biggest reason why I wouldn't buy the Carbonjack is that it's a combination of its price being insanely high and my incomes being way too low...
  • 2 0
 @justwaki: I’m 5’5.5” and build my bikes with a 77° seat angle and I still have the saddle slammed all the way forward. I find it way more efficient to push backward on the pedals. If my seat angle is slacker it feels like trying to run backwards. For me it is not a simple issue of keeping the front wheel on the ground, for sure that’s an issue for taller folks but it’s more ‘biomechanical’ for me. I want to be over top of the BB to pedal well, not behind it.
I don’t think it necessarily has to effect other geo figures. But then I’m short so hitting my levers with my knees is unlikely even at 420mm reach/ 77°
  • 5 2
 @ProperPushIrons: I just ordered a custom HT. It has 76.5 static seat angle. It will be 77.5-78ish when sagged. But to get good ETT I needed to make reach 470. I wanted to try slack head angle too, so boom 64.5 with 120 fork. That forces me to run 440 stays, I should maybe even go 450. If I wanted to make this bike more playful, 440 reach, 430 stays, the seat angle would have to be 74.5... but I want it as a mile eater and to be good for tech climbs because hardtails suck at descending anyways. So I decided to get a cow.
  • 1 0
 @justwaki: if you don’t mind, what problems do you encounter when ETT is too short? Or too long? Is it just a matter being ‘comfortable’, not cramped?
  • 3 0
 @justwaki: wait until you find out they suck at climbing and destroy your body too...
  • 3 1
 @ProperPushIrons: it’s a matter of being comfortable and having weight more forward when in the saddle. But I am trying to stay sane. 625 is max of what I want at 178cm. With this build I really want a cow Smile
  • 1 0
 @justwaki: thanks for the info, always helpful to hear what other riders think about in their geo tup
  • 24 3
 Why have shimano not fixed their brakes yet? Knowing when your brakes are going to bite is pretty important I’d say...
  • 5 0
 I keep looking but I'd like to finally find what's the problem on my bikes, all equipped with Shimano brakes from different model/year.
  • 6 0
 From what I read there's 2 main possible solutions, air bubble or the viscosity of the mineral oil in cold weather. Someone used Putoline HPX R 2.5 to solve that problem in cold weather.

I would really like to know, from those affected by the brake point, where you ride, the weather, temperature and elevation.

I live in the tropics and where I live, I don't get much elevation, so I do not get affected by it much. "Much" coz when I travel to somewhere colder and above 2000m above sea level, that's where I get some issue with the bite point - though not enough to be a problem.
  • 20 18
 The moral of all stories about Shimano brakes is that they DO HAVE problems with varying bite point to a much bigger degree than any other brake maker. There's enough stories of journalists and folks on the internet (#me2) so that we should finally put it to rest and type it in Wikipedia in a non editable post. Yes other brake systems have their own problems too so that's not a Shimano bashing post. I have Shimano brakes on two other bikes in my family, just like I have Sram brakes...
  • 9 4
 Stick to Saints/Zee. Those haven't been touched for eons and are bomb proof and powerful.
  • 7 2
 @DrSam: people might be figuring out ways to solve the problem themselves by putting in fancy oil or bleeding it 900 times each service while standing on one leg (may or may not help) but this has been a problem going on for years and Shimano still haven’t sorted it out.

It’s a problem that occurs when using Shimano mineral oil which is what they recommend.

I live in the UK and only rarely at any decent elevation and have still had the problem.

Shimano are meant to have amazing precision and build quality but we’ve had this problem with several generations of Zee, Saint, Deore, XT and XTR in our household and it’s got to the point where I’ve pissed off and refuse to fit them to any of our bikes. Which is a shame as apart from this we’ve found them to perform exactly as we like them.
  • 1 0
 I make some research and find out that if i center the pistons in the caliper and a master cylinder is not weared out, there no troubles with bite point. It is always where i think it is Smile
  • 4 3
 @DrSam: To me is an air bubble problem. It is close system,air can not escape anywhere. When you wear the pads the chance of ingesting air goes up,there is more movement for the same amount of oil. Cars and motorbikes have big reservoirs to compensate pad wear. To me the key it is not to wear too much the pads,it worked for me with my last set of SLX 1 pot brakes.Those brakes worked flawless for 4 years. Other Shimano brakes I had in the past were horrible,wonder bite point all the time. Swap the pads like 1/2 of their live or a little less. This way disc wear it is not so dramatic,no big marks develops over the rotor surface. SRAM brakes have horrible chatter and pad noise and are painfully slow to engage the first bite and not very powerful overall. So every brand had his own good&bad. I love Shimano brakes but you have to take care of them.
  • 10 2
 Does anyone bleed their own brakes? They almost always come with air in the system. With the Shimanos, I’ve performed a bubble bleed for all of the brakes I’ve owned and it’s more or less solved the issue. It literally takes 10 min with the Shimano reservoir cup and mineral oil.
  • 8 0
 @SlodownU: If a bleed solves the problem you're having, that's great, but that also means you don't have a wandering bite point issue. WBP behaves differently than brakes in need of a bleed, and while some people might confuse the two, tons of MTB journos and riders aren't wrong.
  • 3 0
 @TheRamma: The wandering bite point was there on all of my brakes before the bleeds. I find the Shimano brakes are finicky in terms of the bleeds themselves. You need to turn the lever reach and bite point screws in and out while you click the levers to get the air out. I’m just going by personal experience here, n of just me. I solve the issue with a bleed. Additionally, you need to bubble bleed periodically as the pads wear, this goes for all brakes, not just Shimano.
  • 1 0
 Pentosin chf 7.1 is a good alternative to shimano oil.
Off topics sorta.. Can shimano brakes be rock solid on one bike and be spongy on another? I have xtr race 9000s and totally, amazingly rock solid on one bike then on a different bike spongy then perfect back on the original bike. I don't get why this would be.
  • 5 1
 @SlodownU: The air you are getting from that "lever bleed" is not air in the system, it's air in the reservoir, which is by design. The reservoir isn't meant to be totally full. When you bleed it using the commonly prescribed 'lever bleed', you are essentially just overfilling the reservoir. That gives it a tighter feel, but IMO it makes the wandering bite point worse in the cold.

My somewhat-observed theory being that it prevents the fluid from retracting into the cylinder properly, which results in the pistons being extended still and is why the second pull of the lever feels different and engages quicker.

The best bleed I've found that gets the most consistent results is the one published by the Santa Cruz mechanic (www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWBVDh1pTE). Anything else results in too much pressure or fluid in the system, which aggravates the problem.

I've had plenty of people say they didn't have this problem, but if I got on their bikes and pulled the lever in quick succession, it eventually shows up when it's cold out. I just think some people brake differently and may not notice it. I haven't experimented with different fluids, though.
  • 7 0
 @Thirty3: Give them a squeeze when it's complete dark. They'll be confused and in doubt on which bike they are mounted. You'll have around 50% of chances that they will be rock solid.
  • 3 0
 @SlodownU: yeah, agree on all brands needing bleeds. The defining problem of WBP is that bleeding doesn't solve the problem. If it did, they'd just be another set of brakes in need of a bleed. Nobody would bother to invent a label for that. A set with wandering bite point also feels different than brakes in need of a bleed.

The alternative is that lots of professional reviewers just don't know how to bleed some sets of Shimano brakes. I can't say it's impossible, but my own experience has been that some sets do it, some don't. Sounds like yours work well.
  • 5 7
 @Thirty3: XTR Race like Deore and Zee levers are said to not suffer from this issue. Just like it was a non issue around 2011 with XT M785 and SLX before they changed the lever on XT to XTR trail/ Saint style.

Other than this, whoever doubts this to be an issue can ask any bike mechanic with longer experience, who has seen hundreds of them and heard from hundreds of clients how are their brakes doing. Yes you can perform a rain dance, fill them with CBD oil and they may work great. Yes they may work great after a “proper bleed” definition of which is extremely blurry across shaman community. The matter of a fact is that most other brakes do not suffer from this particular problem. And we are speaking about weekend warriors getting this issue consistently not park rats smashing near thousand of laps per year.
  • 4 2
 Just buy Saints. There is a reason they haven't been updated for years, they just work.
  • 1 1
 @justwaki: I didn't have issues with my 2013 saint.

Park rats don't use brakes much. Source. Used to be park rat.
  • 9 1
 I've found this simple procedure will solve WPB:
1. Remove Shimano brakes
2. Install Hayes Dominions
  • 3 0
 @DrSam:

I can confirm - use putoline 2.5 (or similar) and the wbp-issue is solved.

In Germany this solution is very popular since quite long, I wonder why it seemingly didn't make it into the rest of the world yet...
  • 1 0
 @FurryCrew: just replaced the stock mt401 front brake on my trail bike with a zee. Literally insane how much more powerful it is.
  • 1 0
 @moerkster: I wonder why shimano don’t just do this if it’s so simple... ‍♂️
  • 14 0
 Antidote makes some really sexy looking bikes!
  • 12 3
 Waiting for the objective comments of their greatest fan aka @justwaki
  • 1 4
 Of course, Waki is Polish so...
  • 19 17
 The 27.5 Carbon Jack is so good I can't motivate the change to bigger wheels and less travel. Especially after I modded it so it has geometry of Dark Matter. But I did blow a horn up their ear before they released this one to make it more like latest Spec Enduro. 170 rear travel, full plow. Dark Matter is so fun to ride, so ready to sprint and so precise that if you slapped regular drivetrain on it (won't work due to 142 rear end) and a dropper, it would be a great freeride rig. It means that if this bike had 170mm of travel it would ride up better than most bikes with less travel anyways. No wI have to blow a horn up their ear so that if they ever release a 29" Dark Matter I hope it will have dropper routing and 157 rear end. Like Canfield one which I have on top of my "next bike" list at this moment.

"Suspension travel doesn't weigh anything" - Paul Aston.
  • 1 0
 @justwaki: idk man, high chance they will release a DM29 or a DM27/29.

But there was a 3-4 year dev cycle between the CJ and CJ29. So let’s assume they keep the same suspension layout on the DM29, I would expect an announcement Q4 2021 or Q1 2022.

I think the CJ29 is their best looking bike. But the DM just feels the best to ride. Glad I have both.
  • 1 0
 @kroozctrl: I spoke to the guys last week and they have a few things coming up very soon, cant say more than that but keep an eye out.
  • 1 0
 @morewhitenoise: they actually threw a sneak peak on Instagram a few months ago. They are making a new DH frame for sure. Whether it’s a mullet or full 29er or a DM with 157mm space, who knows...

I actually wish they updated their peace maker. It was their 4 cross bike. Like if they had an aggressive hardtail or a dirt jumper.

Still planning on buying their next frame no matter what. Though, I might go with a custom paint job instead of blackout and raw carbon.
  • 1 1
 @kroozctrl: they have 2 announcements, i cant say more than that Smile
  • 2 5
 @kroozctrl: carbon dirt jumper... that’s like Kook certificate to kids on jumps Big Grin nobody cares if you have a carbon DH bike but with carbon DJ you better fly upside down and don’t have more than 4 out of 5 jumps where your hands are on bars all the way
  • 2 0
 @justwaki: tell that to everyone who uses the peace maker as a dirt jumper. It’s carbon just the geo is waki
  • 8 0
 It’s a very pretty bike if nothing else!
  • 10 7
 Antidote, please make the next generation with 160 travel, steeper SA by 2.5-3deg, slacker HA by 1-1.5 deg, and a 31.6 diameter seat tube able to run a 200 dropper, and it’s the perfect bike!
  • 23 0
 So basically a completely different bike would be the perfect bike, got it.
  • 1 0
 @PeaFunk: not quite...suspension and linkage are almost as important and what makes a bike. You only need to look at the geo numbers to see they are a bit dated (because the frame was released quite a while back)...thinner droppers for wrong...a 200 drop is a game-changer. Forgot to add shorter CS by 10mm because I had a 450 CS bike and didn’t get along with it.
Not a total different bike, just V2
  • 4 1
 When the cover photo has the seat looking like that, you do wonder if the geo is dodgy, or if Dan Roberts is just a physiological oddity? can we see his personal bike set up for comparison?
  • 8 0
 While I am a bag full of physiological oddities, there's a lot of steep climbing around where I live. Genrally, I start with a -2° seat angle as a starting point and then adjust, if needed, while riding that particular saddle and bike.
  • 1 0
 My thoughts exactly. It’s telling. Those darn slack actual seat angles... at least he noted it.
  • 1 0
 @dan-roberts: I know the area, but only from holidays in lift season. If you're riding there and pedalling up, you probably do have a non-standard usage. The seat angled down is popular for people in steep terrain, but the slammed forward on the rails indicate that it might not be a steep enough angle.
Then again, I'm from much flatter terrain, so I might find this bike much more suited to me.
  • 3 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: For sure - seat down a bit for comfier climbing in steep terrain and seat slammed forwards for a less stretched out seated position, along with a bit more of a feeling of pushing down on the pedals compared to forwards. All quite related to preference, though, and also saddle height.
  • 4 0
 These are made 10 kilometers from my house so I can avoid shipping cost and pick it up myself. But even without shipping cost I need €7000 more... meh
  • 6 2
 Read Poland as Portland and was really confused for a minute. Carbon seemed a very odd choice over steel and hipster sweat.
  • 1 0
 Antidote bikes are amazing and after owning 3 of their frames i almost ordered this, but the long chainstays, seat tube angle and mahooosive wheelbase put me off. This is the first 'native' english language review and it seems to come to similar conclusions to the european reviews that this might be just a bit too far away from the last bike, which is a shame. I will be waiting for the next version!
  • 1 0
 Funny how the bike makers have to present a critical design review when launching a bike. The car or motorcycle companies don't feel the need to post all the suspension curves. This all leads to confirmation bias which is kinda bull shit. "I see that it has this so I feel it should do this and then I will confirm that it does this because I was told it would do that"

Just ride the thing and tell me how it made you feel.
  • 1 1
 Except car and motorcycle "journalist" will never ever come close to make an actual review; and people don't chose cars and motorbikes for their actual performance so there's no real point comparing automotive industry to bike industry.
  • 7 4
 32lbs without pedals is now "incredibly light?" What has this world come to.
  • 7 0
 Yes. And 65° head angle "adds to the manoeuvrability" and there isn't as much travel on hand, 160/150mm, like a pure enduro bike.

Welcome to 2021! I have a hard time accepting it too my friend.
  • 3 0
 That’s the cost of super long wheel bases, super big wheels and bikes made to handle dh courses with huge dropper posts: weight gain.

It’s only going to get worse as the seat post width widens and forks like the Fox 38/ Rockshox Zeb get spec’ed on more trail/ enduro bikes bikes.

For what’s it worth, I really like this bike, it’s a great all mountain bike.
  • 4 0
 Have you seen many bikes with cushcore and a coil under 32lb? I guess I would say it's "pretty light" and not "incredibly light".
  • 3 3
 Bike is beautiful, company is great but remember that they chose justfukidesigned to promote them for 50% off the price of the bike. I wish them all the best but as long as justfukidesigned rides their bike I'll never buy it.
  • 5 4
 I think about it sometimes... that’s why the only people worth of an influencer discount are folks like Reece Potter or recently... guys like Podgorski. Folks doing sick tricks are best candidates for influencers. Whatever they do it looks cool, it’s easy to film. Most racers are worthless as influencers. As an influencer you do need somebody to film you all the time. Like Banan. But guys like Podgorski are always filmed by someone. I have a few good candidates in Gbg... then maybe skills coaches. Nobody meets more people with disposable income
  • 4 0
 Favorite part: Maintenance report.

Thanks Dan!
  • 16 16
 2 things I cant stand at modern bikes: rear shock directly IN-front of rear tire and cables under BB. No matter how good, sophisticated, modern, what ever that bike is, for me those things are just no go.
  • 6 0
 Idk why the downvotes these are both super realistic things to not like on a bike haha
  • 5 3
 @MillerReid: except that in practice, good bikes that have these designs don't face any issue due to these design choices.
  • 4 0
 Beautiful curves
  • 2 0
 great, now i have to dry up my keyboard from all the drooling. damn, that thing looks good.
  • 3 2
 drool. yeah. sure......
  • 2 0
 @dan-roberts Did that rear mudguard keep all the crap out of the rear linkage and shock?
  • 2 1
 Yes, it does, as it has worked for the dark matter and the carbon jack 27.5. I have no idea why people are still bitching about this. That entire shock is caged in.
  • 2 0
 @kroozctrl: Never seen one, not bitchin. Here in blighty its the first thing you look for is wether or not the shock/linkage will fill up with mud.
  • 2 0
 @VWsurfbum: I had 2 lifelines and a CJ27.5 all with this suspension design. the first two bikes i didnt run a mud guard and they were fine. the CJ had a mudguard and was also fine, even in wet winter riding and the alps.
  • 4 0
 @VWsurfbum It did a brillian job of keeping crud from piling up that area. For sure it gets mucky in there when you're riding, which is why it's good to put a touch more focus on that area when cleaning to keep all those moving bits in there free from mud and dust.
  • 2 0
 Intended use: Riding
Well I'll be damned, I think this might be the bike for me!
  • 3 1
 Snap! A Pinkbike approved Pole?
  • 2 0
 Each bike test should have a picture of a cow in it is well
  • 3 1
 The rear shock looks like it doubles as a fender.
  • 2 0
 Sure does. Hope it only looks that way
  • 2 0
 This is most definitely on my radar
  • 2 0
 Incredible. Poland is popping off right now.
  • 1 0
 Looks awesome, but out of my acceptable price range and probably already sold out.
  • 1 0
 I don't see the big deal the shock placement is shit in my opinion but hey its carbon let's all bust a nutt....
  • 1 0
 Loved my 650b carbon jack (build no. 26), amazing bike to ride and so fast!
  • 1 0
 OOOOO very nice! It would be sick to see an updated and 29 or 29/27.5, Darkmatter!
Oh man! Big Grin \m/
  • 2 0
 Shawing
  • 1 0
 @dan-roberts crazy work, how many bikes did you rode last summer ? :O
  • 1 0
 Is this suspension similar to the old GT i-Drives?
  • 2 0
 Its a virtual pivot design (FDS) with the shock mounted between two short links, one pivoting around the BB. Its very good.
  • 1 0
 Beautiful machine. Almost too pretty to ride!
  • 1 0
 *Fast, Precise & unaffordable
  • 1 0
 Do you really need a handle near the BB to carry a bike though?
  • 1 0
 @dan-roberts
How does it compare to Propain Tyee (and/or Hugene)?
  • 2 0
 Very sorry, I haven't ridden either of those.
  • 1 0
 @dan-roberts: Thanks anyways! If you do, please, do a comparison with CJ29.

@PROPAIN-Bicycles
Could you send Dan's way one or the other?
  • 1 0
 That's a very pretty bike.
  • 1 0
 Still loving my Lifeline!!
  • 1 0
 The Privateer 141 has a 150mm travel fork, not 160mm.
  • 2 0
 Darn good looking bike
  • 1 0
 the flowers are beautiful
  • 1 0
 call me crazy but the carbon exterior looks identical to my 09 Mojo finish
  • 1 0
 Definitely an antidote to that updated Pole that made me sick last week.
  • 1 0
 More for fun you no believe
  • 1 0
 Hold on, this bike (in usd) costs 1000 dollars more than my entire Canyon?
  • 5 6
 But I thought these were the greatest bikes ever made according to waki. Maybe he is biased because he is polish.
  • 9 12
 Kurwa!
  • 1 0
 No bob, my knob.
  • 1 2
 I love their bikes. But I will say it for 1000th time. No down tube protection is a BAD fad.
  • 1 0
 I need new pants.
  • 2 4
 Cons: "Not an enduro race weapon."

Pinkbike's take: "And the category that Antidote puts the Carbonjack in is the “enduro race weapon” category."
  • 1 0
 Bit taken out of context there.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a... Propain?
  • 1 0
 bike porn
  • 4 7
 Did you guys forget to edit this article? That was difficult to read at best.
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