Review: BikeYoke Revive 2.0 Dropper Post
"We make stuff your bike wants" is how BikeYoke sells themselves. The company name comes from their beginnings making aftermarket links for suspension bikes, although nowadays they're more commonly associated with dropper posts. With the updated 2.0 Revive post the company set out to push the drop levels up way past 200mm.
Given that my swamp hoppers often demand the limits of seat post insertion, a post with 213mm of drop was a product right up my street, so I set out to put the Revive 213 through its paces.
Given that my swamp hoppers often demand the limits of seat post insertion, a post with 213mm of drop was a product right up my street, so I set out to put the Revive 213 through its paces.
Revive 2.0 Details
Diameters: 30.9mm & 31.6mm
Travel: 125, 160, 185 & 213mm (tested)
Weight: 648g post, 31g for remote (213mm drop, 31.6mm diameter, Triggy Alpha Short)
Price: Post from €335, lever from €45. As tested €470.
More info: BikeYoke
Diameters: 30.9mm & 31.6mm
Travel: 125, 160, 185 & 213mm (tested)
Weight: 648g post, 31g for remote (213mm drop, 31.6mm diameter, Triggy Alpha Short)
Price: Post from €335, lever from €45. As tested €470.
More info: BikeYoke
The Revive valve, from where the post takes its name, is what sets this post apart.
Holding the valve open while the post is compressed, with either the supplied lever or a 4mm Allen key, removes any air from the inner tube that can cause the dreaded squish in a dropper post and takes the post back to feeling solid. It only takes a matter of seconds too.
Construction and Features
When they decided to enter the dropper post market, BikeYoke set out to solve the dreaded squishy, sagging post issue that occurs when air mixes with the oil in the post.
BikeYoke’s design removes the internal floating piston that many posts use, which reduces the number of parts, the complexity of the system and the need for minute control of the concentricity and surface finishes to ensure proper sealing. With no IFP the post also has fewer dynamic seals, which helps the post have a smoother action.
The twin tube design has the outer tube partially filled with oil, while the rest of the tube has pressurized air in it. The inner tube is completely filled with oil and houses the control piston, with its valve at the bottom of the post that is opened and closed with the remote lever. With the valve closed, the oil inside the post can’t be compressed and so locks the post in its position.
When the remote lever opens the valve and the post is dropped, fluid flows through the ports in the bottom of the inner tube and into the outer tube, compressing the air spring. That increase in air pressure, and spring force, is what pushes the post back up when the valve is reopened. With those ports between the inner and outer tube at the bottom of the post, there’s no way for air to enter the inner tube as long as the post is upright.
The posts head uses a two bolt design that is sturdy and offers a good range of adjustment for the saddle position and angle.
The lower mechanism is sturdy and can rotate fully to help with finding the right alignment for the cable. Instructions for the cable length are also laser printed on the post itself.
BikeYoke admits that it’s impossible to avoid the mixing of the air and oil, even in their design. But their solution to this issue also laid out the name of the post – the Revive Valve. The valve, located at the head of the post, uses the supplied mini lever or a 4mm Allen key to hold the revive valve open while the post is compressed. This resets the post, removing any air inside the inner tube and putting it back into the outer tube, bringing the post back to solid again.
With such a design, BikeYoke claimed that their post is essentially maintenance-free. But they do concede that from time to time there are parts that will need to be serviced. However, they wanted to make this available to the average home mechanic, who doesn’t have all the post specific tools needed for a lot of the competition. You can still send in your post to BikeYoke, or one of its official service centres, to be serviced.
If you happen to have one of the original versions of the Revive, upon sending it in to be serviced the post will be updated with all the new Revive 2.0 parts for no extra cost.
The 2.0 stanchion and head, left, are now made from a single piece of material compared to the previous post, right.
The new actuator, right, is now CNC machined compared to the previous version, left, giving a smoother surface finish and bringing that smoothness to the post's actuation feel.
Swapping out the lower pins and bushing, as these are wear parts, is a 5-minute job and doesn’t need any opening of the hydraulic circuit.
Deeper, more involved service procedures are all well documented in videos and BikeYoke makes all the small parts available to buy as and when you need them, somewhat encouraging the home mechanic to have a go and keep on top of your dropper post maintenance. After all, it’s essentially a suspension item that goes up and down quite a lot.
For the 2.0 version, there’s a one piece, 3D forged stanchion and head. The posts also received increased bushing overlap to further increase the stiffness of the system, leading to a more rigid feel while also increasing the longevity of the dropper by allowing less wear and ingress of dirt and debris.
The pin seats for the keyways are now hard anodized and there’s a CNC actuator at the bottom of the post to improve the surface finish and smoothness of the post’s actuation. Longer saddle clamp bolts and an updated upper saddle clamp round out the changes.
The Triggy Alpha is available in short, pictured, and long versions, both running on a cartridge bearing.
The whole lever can be rotated in the clamp to bring an additional adjustment for finding the comfiest position for the paddle.
BikeYoke also makes their own lever, the Triggy, available in a few different options. Often an overlooked item in the dropper market, the lever can make or break a post. The Triggy Alpha that came with our Revive is a clean and simple looking lever that actually packs a lot of features that make it work well.
It runs on a cartridge bearing to provide a stable and smooth platform for use. There are two mount positions on the lever, giving you room to move the whole lever more inboard or outboard on the bars. And the nicest feature is the ability to rotate the lever to allow you to find a comfy angle to actuate it with.
The cable is clamped to the lever by way of a bolt and washer, so if your post uses the formed gear cable end at the post, you’re all good. If not then it’s an easy trim to make it fit at the lever end. There are even two lever length options available to further tune the fit for your hands. And with 11mm of maximum cable pull, it’s a lever that can work for a host of other cable actuate posts on the market, with fine tuning possible by way of a barrel adjuster on the lever.
Options, Price & Availability
The Revive 2.0 dropper is available in 30.9 and 31.6mm diameters with 125, 160, 185 and 213mm drop options. There is also a Revive MAX, with a 34.9mm diameter, that has drop options from 125mm to 185mm.
The 125mm and 160mm drop posts start at €335, the 185mm at €375 and the 213mm drop post at €405.
Levers are an additional item, but come in two options for the Triggy Alpha, short and long costing €65 each, the original Triggy costing €45 and a 2x lever costing €60. There are also plenty of adapters for the lever to cover SRAM, Shimano, Hope, Formula, Magura, Trickstuff and Hayes brakes costing between €16 - €20, or there’s a simple BikeYoke band clamp fitment if you need or prefer for €6. There’s also the option to have titanium saddle clamp bolts instead of the standard steel bolts for an extra €25.
Included in the box is the post, remote and adapters if you choose them, a good length of inner and outer gear cable and end caps, the barrel cable clamp, air valve adapter and quick reset lever.
Currently all posts are in stock along with all the small parts and service items. There is a note to the delivery times taking longer than usual at the current moment.
Installation
There’s an in-depth manual accompanying the Revive, that goes through all the necessary steps in installation and pre-ride setup, as well as some popular troubleshooting questions and solutions. In reality, the Revive is very easy to fit. If you’ve fitted a cable actuated post before, then you’ve got no worries with this one.
There is quite some attention paid to the inner cable length for the Revive, needing a precise 17mm of inner sticking out at the base of the post. They even laser it onto the lower part of the dropper. But in reality, I’ve found it not to be a problem to just cut the inner cable to the length that keeps it taught, then adjust the tension on the lever barrel adjuster, much like what you'd do with other cable actuated posts.
There’s a small cylinder clamped to the inner cable that then attaches to the post’s actuator. Small details like Allen key fittings in the cylinder and grub screw are some of the nice touches that the Revive is littered with. The other end of the inner cable is clamped at the lever. The lower actuation mechanism on the post can also rotate fully to help with installation.
About the only headaches that could come from installing the Revive would come from your frame's cable routing itself. A bit of time should be taken in making sure you have the outer cable length long enough to allow the bars to spin enough in a crash but short enough to make for a clean cockpit setup. If you’re fine with changing an internally routed gear cable on your bike, then it’s a hassle-free job to fit the Revive.
Out of the box the post is pressurized to between 240-250psi, but if you prefer a different return speed then you can up that pressure to a max of 260psi. Air pressure adjustment is done via a valve under the saddle clamps and with the included air valve adapter to clear the reset axle. This can however be removed if you don’t have the air valve adapter, again with all the small parts being well made, easy to handle and having Allen key tool access.
Pre-first ride it’s good to give the post a revive, or more than one if the post remains a little spongy from transport. Once the post has its solid feeling and everything is fitted and adjusted to your preferences then it’s good to go.
Riding
Starting with the lever, the action of the Triggy is light and smooth. There’s no big force required to get it moving in the first place, and combined with being able to position and angle the lever just so it’s so easy to have it in a comfortable position that uses the reach and dexterity of your thumb.
The paddle itself, while made from just aluminum, is soft to the touch with the nice chamfered edges and the textured design helps to have a nice positive contact with the paddle every time. The post also has a light action. But perhaps its standout feeling is its smoothness, something that also stands out when you go ride other posts and come back to the Revive.
That smoothness is accompanied by a very solid feeling. The rotational play is minimal and the feeling of security when the post is at max up, max down or anywhere in between is very positive. So too is the sound and feeling of when the post extends fully. You know for sure it’s there and there’s no worries about sitting down on it as hard as James Stewart getting ready to seat bounce an SX triple. There was never a feeling of a break in period with the Revive. It’s been working smoothly and solidly from day one and hasn’t skipped a beat since then.
213mm of drop initially took a minute to get used to.
But after a couple of rides it became clear that having the seat this far out of the way was wonderful.
Since the inception of dropper posts, their drop lengths have steadily grown and grown. And with the recent steepening of seat tube angles, these big drop posts have been making even more sense for more riders as the bigger drop moves the saddle more horizontally out of the way when compared to a small drop post.
Having a few friends that summit over 2m tall, I’ve become accustomed to watching them with 210mm drop posts for a while now, often having the mind trick of watching the saddle keep on rising past where you thought it might stop. And while I’m only 188cm tall, I still have some long legs.
The first few rides on the Revive 213 were a bit weird, but that was just me getting used to the saddle dropping so damn much. I can confidently say that now, after many months, I find it hard to go back to anything with less drop. The Revive has not only sold me on its performance and durability, but also, its sheer drop amount.
For the majority of the test, I had it fitted to a RAAW Madonna, and I also had it fitted to the Nukeproof Mega, which incidentally specs a BikeYoke post, the Divine. That meant the fitment and cable length were good to go and it was just a case of swapping the post. Both bikes are longer travel enduro bikes and often do as much up in a ride as down. But I can also see that many of the aggressive trail bikes could also benefit from a dropper with this much drop. Of course, taller people and those with long legs stand to benefit the most from this post, but if your frame and seat height can accommodate a post with this much drop, then I’d highly recommend it.
Maintenance
I’d already heard many good things about the reliability of BikeYoke’s posts before riding the Revive. And those rumours have been thoroughly backed up with a grand total of zero issues during the entire time testing.
Perhaps the only gripe I have with the Revive came from repeatedly having the bike on and off a shuttle trailer. BikeYoke does say that it is possible for the air and oil in the post to mix if the post goes upside down. That constant up and down from the shuttle trailer did have me needing to reset the post fairly often. While it’s really not a problematic procedure, the frequency of the resetting should be mentioned. Often it would need a couple of consecutive resets with a small pause in-between to allow the air bubbles and oil to separate before the post got its solid and positive feeling back. Again, not an issue at all, but something worth noting as the rest of the time spent with the Revive was a dream.
And so, with zero issues, there has been absolutely no need to go get my hands dirty and go inside the post. I’ve kept a good regime of wiping down the external wiper seal along with the fork and shock to keep it running smooth. There have been no sounds or odd feelings to indicate that a service is needed. Nevertheless, it’s a good idea to follow the recommended service intervals set out by BikeYoke.
Every 100 hours of use or every 12 months of use, plus before storage, you should perform a lower tube service and the cartridge checked for wear. It's also easy to swap out the lower part of the dropper to change between different diameters if you change bikes.
A full cartridge service is only recommended when you see signs of wear in a 100-hour service, or if there are symptoms that can’t be cured by a lower tube service or going through all the points in the troubleshooting documents. A full video of how to perform a full cartridge rebuild is available at BikeYoke’s website along with oil volumes and recommended oils and greases to use.
Either way, it’s nice to be comfortable in the knowledge that if and when the Revive does need a bit of work, I can head down to the workshop and do it myself with any small parts necessary possible to order from BikeYoke. No need to send it off elsewhere.
2021 Fox Transfer
OneUp V2
Yep Uptimizer 3.0
RockShox Reverb
How Does It Compare?
Dropper posts are really good nowadays, and there are a lot of them. Which is good, as they’re finding their way onto cheaper and cheaper bikes. And that price topic might be one of the ones to discuss when talking about a dropper that comes in at €470 for the post and lever.
After riding an array of posts from the likes of Fox’s Transfer, RockShox’s wired and AXS Reverbs, OneUp’s V2, Yep’s Uptimizer 3.0 and the host of cheaper posts out there, the BikeYoke Revive certainly sticks its head out in front of the competition and really does warrant that price tag.
Its smoothness is noticeably ahead of the competition and its solidness coupled with the fact that it’s feeling just as smooth and as solid as day one are its stand out features. Added to that the ability to have the post's action solid and squish free in a matter of seconds is a huge selling point over the less user serviceable posts out there. And with a catalogue of parts and detailed information on how to service the post for the budding home mechanic, it’s easy to see that you can keep this Revive running in top notch condition for a seriously long time, perhaps even though many a bike.
The lever’s nice little touches make it easy to get into a comfortable position, and its light action and throw mean that it’s never a chore to actuate the post. The Yep joystick remote is still a favourite, as you can flick it from any angle and even with your finger. But the Triggy Alpha is a good little lever and has remained solid and smooth for the entire test.
There’s plenty of room for saddle position and angle adjustment, something that has been a bit of a problem on a couple of Fox Transfers and bikes with steep seat tube angles.
Comparing to the other posts available with 200mm or more of drop, the Revive does have a pretty long maximum insert, so it’s good to check if your frame can fit a post this long, and it is one of the longest posts out there, but it is packing the most drop of all of them. Stack when compressed is around mid-pack but the minimum insert is one of the shortest out there for big drop posts.
Pros
+ Biggest drop on the market+ Outstanding solid and smooth feel
+ Incredibly reliable
+ User serviceable and small parts availability
Cons
- Long maximum insertion means that frame compatibility may prevent some riders from being able to run the 213mm version- Comes at a premium
Pinkbike's Take
Photos by Kifkat / Shaperideshoot
 | The dropper is often quite an overlooked piece of equipment on a bike. If a bike has one it’s good. If it doesn’t then it’s bad. That’s about as far as a lot of people get into the topic. But when we look a little more in detail at the droppers available on the market today, in much the same way we would with say a fork, that’s where the BikeYoke Revive 213 really stands out above the rest. Sure, it goes up and down just like the rest and looks remarkably similar from the outside to much of the competition. Hell, it’s hard to tell most of them apart from 10 paces away. But it’s fundamental design addresses two of the biggest problems in dropper posts, unwanted squish and user serviceability. Add to that its smoothness, solidness, durability, lack of maintenance and sheer amount of drop and I’m left having a hard time saying anything negative about this dropper. I’ve no doubt in thinking that with everything that BikeYoke has done in the design, manufacturing, inventory of parts and user tutorials, this is a post that can go from bike to bike and keep that wonderful performance for a very long time. Put simply, the BikeYoke Revive 213 is the best dropper that I've tested, so much so that I’ve already started kitting all my other bikes out with one. |
Photos by Kifkat / Shaperideshoot
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Interesting you mention. We were actually the first company to have a dedicated 34.9 dropper post with a proper upper tubing size.
We introduced the REVIVE MAX in 2018:
www.pinkbike.com/news/bikeyoke-revive-max-dropper-349.html
I am not sure about the competition righ now, but last time I checked, competition does offer 34.9 versions here and there, but those are lacking the scaled sizing of the bigger diameter on the upper tube, which is a real shame. There is no real use for a 34.9 version if you don't don't take avantage of the space you are given.
also, learn to read you mong...
Reading those kind of words are a big part of why we are doing our job.
Customer service is arguably the most time consuming part, and it can be really annoying and challenging at times, too, but it is super important and we know that it is. And in some cases it can also be very rewarding, mainly when you hear from custopmer that they actually value what you are doing for them.
In a world, where everythign seems to get digitalized and automated and anonymous, it just feels good to also be able to talk to real people, you know? I apprecaite any company that has a phone number, where, when you call, an actual person with a clue of what he/she is talking about takes off.
We are far away from being perfect, but we are doing the best we can to get closer to there.
It was not yet there, even quite a while after we introduced our REVIVE MAX, though.
Speaking about suppliers for the big "S":
You may want to check out their US spec for the Stumpy Pro and be surprised what you find...
Not sure, where that antipathy for us is coming from. How do you define, what is reasonably priced? The priuce comes from more than just the prodcut, that you hold iny our hands, too. I am happy for you, when you are happy with your Manic, though. I am happy for anyone, who does not have problems -. and that counts for any bicycle product for that matter.
Yes, if I store my bike front wheel up I'll more than likely have to reset it (like the reviewer saw). But, other than that it's a solid work horse.
If everything in MTBing was made as well then we’d spent a lot less time fixing/tweaking gear.
You've dealt with enough of "us" guys? Not sure, how your mind works, but I don't think we've ever met in person and so you can't say anything about me, can you? "German engineer shtick" is what you make yourself out of it. I have not mentioned it here once. Also I did not tel "you" anythig about a median of the market or anythign similar. What are you even talking about.
I should not even bother replying to such crap, because there is nothin I need to justify myself for.
I still reply, because I have some advice, I would like to give to you:
1. I recommend you stop thinking in stereotypes. I do not care which nationality one is from and it should not be of importance for anyone for that matter.
2. I do not believe you can say anything about the quantity of posts we sell, but yeah, it looks like it is enough to get food on the table for anyone at BikeYoke, and that is important. So just stop thinking about it. We are doing OK, buit thanks for your worries.
3. It seems you need to stick your head out of your little bubble and open your mind a bit.
Not sure, what I've done to make you so ranty, but honestly I also don't really care. You are just a angry man with issues that obviously have nothing to do with me or our products. Get those solved before you let your anger out on other people.
My One Up post has never gone squishy, worked reliably for years without maintenance, has a much shorter overall length for pretty much the same drop and is much cheaper... not saying the revive isn't good but the price and length for drop (really important for maximising drop for your height/frame) doesn't seem that competitive.
If I had a 34.9 frame, then we are talking, would get a post with proper diameter any day.
@lkubica:
One Up may have all relevant spares available online, but you still have to buy a complete new cartridge in case it fails. You can not rebuild the old cartridge, instead you throw away expensively machined and coated aluminum parts, just because (in more than 99% of the cases) a single small o-ring has failed. Dropping in a new cartridge is indeed convenient and may not be really really expensive, but I think it is quite an unneccessary waste of material.
Our posts are expensive to produce, also because our posts are assembled 100% by the hands of our own team hand and because they can also be taken apart 100% and fixed, if neccessary.
I do not want to sound overly green-washing here, because our sport still requires a lot of consumables (grips, tires, ...) that leave enough contamination in nature, but still we are trying to keep things repairable and sustainlable as much as possible. You have to start somewhere, right? Throwing away 50% of a product to keep it going does not really make a lot of sense to me.
We have been following a whole different philosphy with our droppers from the start. We know hydraulics can fail and so we want to make everything repariable. Even if some (rarely) needed parts are not availble on our website, we can offer them through our service centers.
I understand the environmental thing, but untill you run on some bio-degradable oil, it is still a pain in the ass to service it. At least in Poland looking for places where you can safely dump oil, paints, electronics is a real pain.
Of course the REVIVE system is kind of a "work-around", but to put it simple: You can not build a bomb-proof hydraulic lockout system into such small available space. It simply does not work because of all the flex and pressure and oil and air that you have in there.
We are working around the issues that are inevitably there for any dropper post. And while we also have little issues once in a while, we also know, that we do have much less issues than others. ;-)
That is the main reason, why so many OE customers trust in our REVIVE. Simply because they are happy to pay the premium price for less trouble in after sales service.
I am not talking about money. If you want to buy cheaper, BikeYoke is not the right brand for you. There is no doubt about it.
I do not get the point of the bio-degradeable oil, though.
You also have to dispose of your old cartridge, which is full of oil, isnt it? So you still have to find the same place to dispose your cartridge of?
In your case, however, you also throw away aluminum, seals and oil. And in REVIVE case you throw away 40cc of oil + a couple of o-rings.
I do not want to argue here to much, and I do not want to get too deep into that environmental thing (I mentioned already), but the only valid point your bringing up is the price and the philosophy behind how and where we produce.
We assemble every single post with our own team in our own facilities and assembly line, that we concepted and build by ourselves. Rest assured, that most of the other post that have been mentioned here have not even seen the hands of an employee of the actual brand, but went straight from an assembly plant/factory to the big warehouses
That may or may not be of importance for the customer, but it is for us as a brand and for our philosophy. We assemble our stuff by ourselves and that does cost money but we do it, because we want to be able to say that this is "our work".
Oh also you reminded me, my saddle has a cut out in the middle which conveniently allows me to access the valve without removing the saddle, so it really is a 2 minute job for me. The 9point8 saddle clamp does allow you to remove the saddle without needing to readjust the saddle angle, so again I don't think it would really bother me if I did have have to remove the saddleevery 2 or 3 months, but I can appreciate if it was losing air faster and you had to do it more regularly it would be annoying.
However, the revives are leaps ahead. Way smoother, no incessant rattle, no binding. Haven't had to deal with the folks at bikeyoke but if I had to they sure seem pleasant. While both posts work I'd gladly pay the premium again.
I will say that I previously had a Revive and it was far superior in terms of smoothness and reliability. Got the Oneups because I’m 6’3” and wanted the longest drop I could get. Now that revive beats the Oneups by a crucial 3mm I may need to go back!
OneUp is 4Runner
Bike Yoke is Land Cruiser
Twice the price, yes, but twice the reliability in the long run.
Thank you, Jason! This means a lot!
It's nice to know that our work is really appreciated and valued.
E13 works - but is rattly.
You can buy a BikeYoke and get a quality product; or you can buy a Reverb and get kwality product.
And, it's really nice that the actuator is designed to simply the cable head. Why are we cutting cable and using that little barrel nut when we're also going to cut the cable at the lever?
Don't want to jinx myself, but I've been running a Revive for years without the barrel nut. Just putting the cable head into the actuator.
Out of a half dozen One Up droppers I've owned; V1 and V2, I've only had one cartridge go bad and it was replaced under warranty.
BikeYoke themselves are a pleasure to deal with, excellent customer service.
Overall one of the best components I've ever bought, and will happily buy from then again when I need a new post.
200mm drop for 150 quid
And my 170mm been faultless for 2years (upgrade to bontrager lever worth it tho)
Amazing price. Run perfectly in UK slop with zero service. Three of my four bikes have them and I'd buy another tomorow.
Friend of mine had one die after two years of abuse and zero love. Instant replacement from CRC with no questions asked or need to return the old post.
Shout out also to PNW who's customer service has been exceptionally good with a few issues I've had with their Rainer Gen3 post.
I really liked that when I emailed them a real person called me back within an hour and wanted to address the issue. As an engineer myself, I also like that they wanted the old part back to see what happened. That is what makes a good company. All manufactured products will have defects, guaranteed. A company wanting to know why rather than just blindly shipping off a replacement part is what makes a great company.
It is still possible to have good customer service it seems. Fair play to brands like PNW and it seems BikeYoke too.
Final off topic shoutout to Evil bikes, who also have excellet customer service, and are helping me a lot with a crash replacement issue.
Zero maintenance other than the occasional 3 minute bushing/stanchion Slick Honey lube every 6 months to keep them gliding. Zero need for a bleed port.
My reverbs all died quick deaths and my OneUp stuck in the last 1/2 inch of coming up after awhile (thought the OneUp is still pretty good).
"The only thing different that dropper does is add a kashima coating"
There you go already. You name the reason yourself.
Whether or not Kashima is "absolutely unneccessary" can and should not be decided by you for others.
Absolutely with you. For a post I'd not consider the premium for the Kashima, because it is really just for the looks, but some people do care about looks more than about how things actually ride.
Why else do you think big chunky SUVs are so popular. ;-) Not because they drive exceptionally well or because they are usefull, but because most of them simply look cool.
And that is totally fine.
If you as a mere mortal can’t make out that tiny bit of extra smoothness in travel, go for the Divine instead - it resets itself automatically, so no need to use an allen key for a manual reset, travel can be adjusted and it is much cheaper than the Revive.
Thanks Sacki!
Never had any issues....great piece of equipment that i will keep as long as i can.
If i can criticize: I had a reverb b1 with a mechanical wolftooth conversion. The actuation of the lever was better compared to the bikeyoke; which has a sort of notchy on/ off lever feel with more resistance. That might be due to my cable routing but I think it’s also the lever design. The wolftooth and reverb was very smooth and progressive, you could easily modulate the post speed. The reverb itself wasn’t as smooth and the wolftooth has that annoying break free sacrificial plastic part that broke with a small crash.
All in all; bikeyoke is the best
I've owned an early Reverb, an early RaceFace (9.8 style), Bontrager DropLine, SDG Tellis, OneUp V2 and eThirteen Vario. The earlier droppers (Reverb, RaceFace) were garbage. The Bonty was decent and reliable, but developed play quickly. The SDG, OneUp and eThirteen were all similar - solid, reliable. Of those, the SDG Tellis was my favorite. The Revive outclasses them all with a light lever action, silky-smooth up/down, tight bushings, zero air leaks, and zero issues.
if you have one you know.......is this a massive sex toy or designer vodka??
As for the Command Post, yeah with the saddle low I also prefer the saddle nose up so it seemed like a great concept. Not sure if there were technical issues but I do recall the comment section killed it with a bit too much fire.
From my experience i pick the bike from the wall, check tire pressure, grab my allen Key, revive the post and go for a ride. It adds maybe 20 seconds of work.
And i talk about the regular command post, without the tilt of the saddle.
www.bikeyoke.de/en/revive-quick-reset-lever.html
the Command Post, AKA "the neuterator9000"
Higher price = much higher satisfaction in this case. I'll never get another brand of dropper.
Keep it and ride it! Nothing wrong with it as long as it works for you! Does not have to be "fancy".
The only important question here - WHEN you will start your suspension line ??!!
Shock, fork - just do it the same superb as your Revive.
I have two of the Revive V1s and this is an interesting statement. Does that include the stantion and head as well? Even in Australia?
The post is super smooth and the lever action is light as a feather.
If you can afford it buying anything else is madness.
In my experience, as dropper length increases, so does the amount of mud, sand and dust that can enter the system.
Has to do with the lever effect / slack seat tube angle I suppose.
I just fitted a Bike Yoke and was impressed with the quality, lets see if it holds up.
I had an original Revive V1 that is still doing duty on a mate's bike and has only had one rebuild since it came out. Bulletproof!
10/10 would recommend a Revive. The only reason I got the OneUp was to try the MEGA drop, but now that Bikeyoke offers this too, I will be changing.
Does that place this at the "Dentist" level that I see a fair few using when it comes to prices? The Bike Yolk SPs I've seen, are certainly nice, and from reports, work well, so I'm not slagging them.
But, I do have a dim view of the Myriad problems I've seen with dropper posts, of so many types and brands. They are, essentially, such simple things, in terms of hydraulics and bearing solutions.
I've had no problems with One Ups I've used (I may just be lucky?) - a good product, at a reasonable price. I'm a bit of a fan of the brand, with all of their products I've used.
I'm very happy with mine, and love the fact that I can service it myself.
Have you confirmed this with BikeYoke? I believe this was a limited time deal which ended last year. I'd be excited to upgrade mine now that they're actually due for a rebuild, especially since I'd stop having to worry about the possibility of the post head snapping off in the middle of a ride.
Our posts should not have any issues with temps as low as -10°C and even lower.
First you'd want to make sure to use the recommended torque (obviously) and then make sure the clamps are not clamped under tnesion. When you tighten the blts, make sure thje clamps evenly touch the rails without the bolts pulling them too much too one side (front or back).
A last solution can be to apply some copper paste or heavy grease on the rails. Sometimes micromovement in the rails/clamp connection can cause creaking. Sometimes it is also the saddles themselves. We've heard of some particular saddles apparently being morte prione to creaking than others. But saddle creaking usually sounds slightly different than clamp creaking (more high ptich and more metallic).
Good point.
Posts should always be greased on the lower tube before installed into the frame. Use a thick grease, like marine grease or one of the many ones similar to Motorex 2000 Bike Grease. The thicker, the better.
Creaking also can come from the seat collar / seat binder / seat clamp.
Wait for another 2 weeks.... ;-)
Besides, as 250mm dropper would be so incredibly long, that only a very limited number of people can actually use it. A 250mm dropper would easily be longer than 635mm. It woudl require an extension of more than 290mm out of the seattube and if fully dropped into the frame,it woould need a frame insertion of more than 340mm - measuring a total length of 630mm wihthout the actuator on the bottom.
You'd need to be very tall and then you'd still need a very special frame that allows deep insertion. That's a very rare combination and while I totally get that it is desireable for some of you (who are that tall and have a proper frame), I highly doubt we could sell enough to make it a profit for us. And of course we need to make profit after all, right?Toolings are very expensive and producing small quantities does not make it cheaper. I know said the same about a potential 200 mm version a acouple years ago, but things have changed. Frames have shorter seattubes and more insertion in general. 250mm is currently not something that makes sense from a company point of view.
I am 185cm (pretty much exactly 6') and I can ride a 213mm in only one of all my bikes - and that barely.
It is and it will always be a matter fo frame design, too. IBIS for example have short seattubes and good insertion which allows for long dropper even for shorter people. 170cm people can already ride 185 droppers. That is very rare, still.
I've got a 213mm in my XL Druid right now, would love 225 in there. I'm looking at replacing it with the new Norco Range, and rough guestimate is I could fit a 250 in it. I'm not even *that* tall at 190cm / 6'3". I've got two other friends in similar boats, while the demand is assuredly lower this end of the scale, it might not be as low as you think (at least I hope so, for my own selfish desires). As more frame makers go 34.9 (as they should), I hope this continues the trend of shorter and shorter seat tubes as the post is more sturdy, 250s might end up being increasingly viable.
Love my revive 2.0 213 though, got fed up after a oneup cart died way too fast, so regardless keep on keepin' on!
For the 34.9, we stuck with the 213mm length to keep things kind of consistent throughout the line-up.
I am not saying longer drops won't come, but I don't see it in the near future and particularly not at 30.9 or 31.6 diameters.
Never say never though... ;-)
I just got my L sized frame but the max post insertion won‘t allow me to run the 213 mm version and even the 185 version is borderline.
I paid less than half that much for a One Up 210mm dropper and they work flawlessly, only had one cartridge go bad in four years of using their posts; the cartridge was replaced for free.
So yeah, an orthodontist post.
It can have its travel adjusted. And given they have 28mm between sizes, that kinda sucks.
For somewhat shorter/average height riders this matters for making the most of a post and is a reason why I'm waiting for a OneUp or PNW Loam to come back into stock for my new build.
No Fox or Rock Shox or KS post offers travel adjustment in their droppers. Most of the others don't either.
The travel jumps of 28mm is also not noticeably different form what most others offer. 20-30 mm steps are what is found on most droppers.
At some point you simply have to define the size jump and - no matter how small or big you make the jump - there will always be people who will be on either side: The jump is too small or too big for them. Every version, no matter if 125, 160, 185, 213 will be too long for one or the other customer. That is somethig you will never be able to avoid.
We could indeed implement a travel reduction for the REVIVE, but it would be not as easy to install as you cna find it on (very few though) other posts and similar to what we have on the DIVINE. Not as easy as on other posts, simply because we want the travel adjustment to be troublefree on the long run, which other existing solutions not really are all the time. ;:-)
That being said, I believe we may have quite a bit more other advantages over the posts you mentioned, compared to the "one disadvantage" of not existing travel adjustability.
I was living living in Taiwan for a couple of years when I was working there for another German company before I started BikeYoke. I owe this company a lot of. BikeYoke wouldn't exist if I hadn't been working at Bionicon before. Made a lot of friends in Taiwan and met hundreds of suppliers, small and big factories who produce for all kind of brands. Taiwan is an amazing country and it is very different of what most of peopleprobably think it is.
One of these friends I started BikeYoke with and we built up our own facilities there (moved two times already in 5 years) and with the growing product line-up, more people came and joined the team. Most of the guys we have known for a long time, already. We are a team of a total of 15 people now. 4 in Germany, 11 in Taiwan. What has never changed is, that every single product (not only post) is assembled and packed by the hands of our own team.
Thanks for the transparent answer here- though as an owner I was curious and was not able to easily find that on your website.
We will for sure make an update on the website with a little more story and background information.
We also do all the website stuff by ourselves and while I may be a semi-mediocre engineer (;-)), I am not a very well versed designer or programmer for such things. But we'll hopefully get there, too.
Lots of things I've learned in the past couple of years. All this website stuff is a lot learning by doiung for me. With Dominik having joined the team just a couple months ago, we have someone who is much better at these things, than I am and he already did a good job on the CI side of things. Slowly but steadily we're gettign more professional in our web and media presence. Generally we try to let the products talk for themselves, but of course marketing is not to forget.
I stopped reading after that shortly.
No one wants to wait for their buddy to bleed their dropper on the trail anyways
Apart from that, we do have dedicated USD MSRPs, because you don't even need to buy from us in Germany, but you can buy locally in the US from hundreds of dealers, which are taken care of from our distributor, BTI.
So, feel free to stop reading after seeing whatever you don't like, but maybe get your facts right, first. Please. It's really sad when people rant about something, not knowing that they don't know what they're talking about.
I believe the current MSRP for the 213 is $380 US and $65 for the Alpha remote. I'm to lazy to dig up the USD price list i sheets right now. It's late.
This one?
www.bikeyoke.de/en/cable-tensioner.html
And which company are you referring to, that will not supply a barrel adjuster? Transition or BikeYoke?
Our barrel adjuster is a standard barrel adjuster with an M5 thread, so others with an M5 thread will work, even if they are not exactly the same item.
It was constantly needing a service to operate smoothly because dirt was gettinng in. Yes you can do it yourself in 30min if you know what to do and have tools but I prefer to ride my bike rather than servicing it every couple of weeks. Their support person told me it may be my frame's fault (Devinci Spartan), then got annoyed with someone on the forum and I've never seen him again. It seems like dirt geta in through the holes at the bottom. It just wasn't working smoothly most of the time. On one cold ride it just failed to operate at all. I've had quite a few droppers: Fox Transfer, Giant, OneUp and BikeYoke was definitely the least reliable and most annoying to live with out of all of them. And the most expensive! On fox transfer now and never had a single issue.
But let me get a few things straight here, because I don't like it, when things are ripped out of context in order just to make us look bad.
With no word I said it was your frame.
Your original assumption was, that your post keeps collecting dirt and water through the breathing holes in the bottom.
Those were your words, not mine.
Then I asked you what frame you are using, and asked you how you washed your bike, because if the post collects dirt from the bottom, then obviously the water must come from the bottom side and not from the top.
And if enough water and dirt gets into the frame to cause damage on the post then it is not a problem of the post itself to begin with,
is it?
Before we could elaborate more, I stopped support in this forum because some particular users had made it hard for me to comment and support there, trolling and attacking me, accusing me of false things for months.
The comment after my my reply to your post then gave me the rest and I decided to not comment there anymore. In one last post I explained my decision to leave, but also mentioned, that I'll be there to answer any question by mail or phone for anyone.
Most of the users absolutely understood my decision - some even commented, that they would have long time ago already.
So please, if you tell a story, don't be pickin' raisins in your favour just to make us look bad. Tell the whole story.
Your comment(s) make me even more confident about my decision to stay away from the BikeYoke products. In your original post just like this one you are implying it's my frame's fault or something i do that is causing Revive's malfunctioning. There is nothing out of context about this.
Water and dirt gets everywhere when you do mountain biking regardless what you do or where you live, that includes inside the frames. That's the way it is. I had different droppers on the same frame and only Revive was malfunctioning regularly.
The bottom line is that the internals of the Revive get contaminated affecting its performance way too easily.
Something I forgot to mention, just recently I demo'd a bike with the BikeYoke Revive 213 and it was an absolute rubbish. Very slow to return (or not returning at all) and rubbing the stanchion just like the one I had on my own bike.
Bad product ... Bad customer service. That's my experience.
However, there are other people with other experiences. And those people might appreciate our desigg and philosophy.
But saying that "the only service you can do is replace the seals" is just plain wrong.
In fact, replacing the seals is actually the last thing you need to do, if your dropper starts moving slowly. The lower tube service, which takes about 10 minutes (recommended at least every 12 months) is all you need to do and does not even require any actualy spares, for the first 1-2 times.
Cleaning and regreasing will do in most cases before pins and wipers actually start to wear. That being said, of course it depends on the conditions and environment you are using the post in.
I am very sure, this would have helped in your case, too.
Give it 2-3 more weeks and you may get a pleasent surprise. ;-)
Why have we tried to go super complicated with a bloody air shaft system. Its a bloody dropper post. Goes up an down. Use larger pins when it wears.
You don't know a lot about how droppers post actually work, do you?
Apart from that, I just don't know, what he is referring to, when is mentioning "complexity" and "air shaft", as if these two things were directly related.
It just seems like he is throwing around fancy words without any context, not really knowing what he is talkiing about. That's why I was asking him to elaborate, what exaclty he means.
If not with an air shaft, how would you make a dropper post? I don't get your point.
And then, what exactly is the problem of an air shaft?
I'm really curious and would like to understand where you're coming from.
However, a dropper post is much more than an airshfaft system. We are not talking about a fork here - or an office chair, what many other people bring up for that matter - and people finally need to understand that. We are talkling about a hydraulic lock out system, driven by air pressure, which needs to stay in place wihing millimeters of what it is adjusted to and not move. and it needs to do so reliably.
And making this in a reliable way is far away from being simple or cheap. Well, you can do it cheap, but then 50% customers will have good experience and the other 50% will have bad experience (don't nail me down on these exact numbers, but you get the point. We are focusing on design and qualitiy and reliability and usability and we are seeing a documneted failure rate of a total of 2% (including structural, mechanical, hydraulic failures), which is extremely low for a suspension product. Still every failure annoys me persoinally, because it sucks for the custoemr (and me and our service centers, because it is work I'd like to avoid) and we're trying to get better. You won't reach these numbers with a cheaply produced dropper.