First Look: Pivot's Phoenix Dock Tool System

 How much does one of them cost?

 So is that like a SWAT box for my jorts?

 I hate having stuff in my pockets while riding, so I definitely get the notion of mounting as much shit as possible on your bike.

 Make pockets hot again

 @JimmyWeir: I got some used ones I’m selling for $10 each.

 Dude you ever fallen on something hard and rectangular in your pockets? SHIT SUCKS

 @NorCalNomad: I’ve ridden with a small crank brothers multi tool in my pocket for 12yrs...several major crashes, and countless normal offs...tool never been a problem. Definitely feels like it should have impaled my leg by now lol

 @Upduro: I concur.

Only things in my pockets on short/cool rides (under 2 hours and under 80F) are phone (for maps and daycare emergency contact) and a collapsable water bowl for the pupper.

Everything else (tube, CO2, bacon-strips/dart, chaintool & quicklink, and even including a couple lights for evening rides) goes in the SWAT box, which is just awesome, or bottle cage (24 oz of H20 and multi-tool for exactly each bolt size except cranks)

When it's hot and/or I don't want to have to decide between water for me or for the dog, I wear a small USWE pack with a couple liters in it for me (and some extra CO2, a leatherman, and maybe a handsaw if it's been windy lately) and small bottle in the cage for the dog.

 @NorCalNomad: there's enough hard, sharp, oddly shaped objects (aka rocks) on my trails that I don't worry too much about what's in my pockets as long as it's relatively dull and not too pointy

 @forkguardian: with lint?

 Absolutely. Taking that crazy concept one stage further.......... a pocket with some sort of D30 padding or similar would be ideal. Can't be too difficult to give a bit of protection against key fobs, multi tools etc.

 Pockets, Pockets, we don't need no stinking pockets.

 Hope they come out with something to mount my phone, car key and wallet on the top tube.

 @NorCalNomad: Dude, have you ever fallen on a rock? That shit hurts.

 @NorCalNomad: Yeah. Then I fell off. For a week I had this bruise that was so realistic it genuinely could have actually opened my Volkswagen! Even had the round bit with the VW logo.
I did not actually give a shit because my arm was in a cast and that was more of a bummer.

 @Upduro: I agree about pockets, but I hate spending so much money on a light frame then weighing it down with tools, etc. I wear a camelbak for that reason even though they are not cool at the moment.

 @rxpete: do it like me, I don’t give a shit what my bike weighs as long as it goes down hill fast. I’d rather take a piss at home than save the marginal weight of a multitool.

oh, and I also wear a backpack. My frame only fits a small bottle which isn’t nearly enough for me. 10l evoc with back protector, prevents spinal injuries, enough to drink and don’t have to tape stuff to my bike.

 Only if it was branded as the PivotPocket. Then it we'd all be using it!!!

I'm just kind of blown away that they really created a pivoting tool mount because it matches their branding...???

If pulling the water bottle out so they can open the tool case without rotating it is too hard... how do they assemble bikes?

 @jiminthestix: ion shorts have an inbuilt neoprene secure pocket 'in a pocket' perfect for phones/multi tools.

 @jiminthestix: and I’ll take that further. D30 chamois with room for tools and things. Stick it in your crack if you need to make it back. I’m a pack guy, what do I know. I do like the pocket things.

 @mi-bike: Alabama agrees!

 @NorCalNomad: I fell on my keys. Lovely nurse had the job of pulling it out my leg after she’d happily chopped my shorts to get at them.

 Have you ever crashed with a big large METAL multi tool in your pocket? Landing on metal doesn't feel good...

 Often times my pocket is stuffed with food, Garmin inReach, car key, and my phone. I'll carry an extra bottle or two in bib shorts for the real long rides. I hate wearing a pack, especially when it is really hot (I live in SoCal).

My downtube has a pump, tube, patch kit, bacon strips, Wolftooth chain tool, tire lever, shifter cable, multitool with pliers. and bottle of sealant. My headtube has a bike multitool and chain breaker. ALL that stuff is in there because I have not only needed it, but also ride in remote places with no cell signal.

 @JSTootell: a tube, a patch kit and sealant....the hell?

 @nvranka: Don't forget the shifter cable. This dude is looking to do a complete rebuild when his bike breaks down and you can still see the 15.

 @JSTootell: honestly at that point I'd just mount a rack on my bike and strap my complete toolbox on it. You never know what you'll need!

 @JimmyWeir: empty your pockets!

 @nvranka: Well, my contra-anecdote: I have a 2x2 inch square patch of scar tissue in my right thigh from when I fell on my car keys about 8 years ago. YMMV

 The CEO of Pockets should be fired. So incompetent!

 All stuff I have needed to use @nvranka:

Big rides in the desert with no cell reception isn't for the weak, or unprepared. When hiking out, even without your bike, could require you to spend hours in 100+ degree heat, you get prepared. My rides are often times BIG and LONG. In the place I am referring to, I did 72 miles and 12000 foot of climbing. I saw maybe 3 people all day (they were hunters).

 @JSTootell: not even the same sport at that point lol

 My level of self loathing is unique @nvranka

 Mormons stand up

 Came here to make a comment similarly. Glad this is the top post.

 Also, “docking” a “ninja”?

 Docking your tool in MUD!

 @pargolf8: That'd be soaking your tool.

 Port thrusters to 15%

 Agreed. OneUp tool is amazeballs since it is hidden inside either head tube or pump while being perfectly functional.

 @WAKIdesigns: other than a totally unnecessary use of "amazeballs", I don't know why you got downvoted. For once ;-)

 @mountainsofsussex: what is wrong with amazeballs? Does anyone prefer Amazelabia because you cannot downvote it without being a sexist? Yeah no upvotes for that comment either. The Topeak elitists are after me

 @mountainsofsussex: might just be his usual anti-fanclub

 @WAKIdesigns: functional while inside pump? Amazeballs indeed.

 @mi-bike: what's wrong with that? EDC pump works with the tool inside as well as without it in there. If you want to take the tool out... you pull it out? EDC tool fitting into 100mm long EDC pump has room for almost every allen, chain breaker, tire lever, as well as tubeless repair kit/ optionally Co2 cartridge. I call that amazebally functional.

 @WAKIdesigns: I just didn't think anyone used it in 2020, that's all!

 @mountainsofsussex: I am a visionaire

 Still prefer velcro straps or the swat box over all these.

 @WAKIdesigns: Amazelabia ?

Just when I think you can't get any lower or more disappointing you go and.....

Totally redeem yourself !

 @WAKIdesigns: Amazleabia...lol

 @WAKIdesigns: Actually "Amazevories " would be a more direct crossover

 TWAT Dock

 @scary1: Tool With A Torx

 @scary1: You just made me choke on my sunflower seeds...

 Thats what i take camping dude. Yes no one rides with packs anymore

 Tell me you honestly role around with 2 liters of water and a cherry coke

 @pargolf8: he rides longer than you

 Then you're just not one of the cool kids. You probably don't wear a $200 flannel shirt made of high-tech not-flannel material or enduro style knee pads on every casual ride either.

 I ride with a pack as it has a back protector built in, plus my first aid kit, normally some snacks, and my phone that I would rather not fall on. I carry as much heavy stuff on the bike as possible. So oneup in the steerer, spare tube, mini-pump and levers on the frame, water bottle in the frame. I normally end up with a collapsible water bottle in my pack for medium rides - the water goes in the frame bottle when that's empty. I find a heavy pack hurts my back and wears out my arms.

 I ride with a pack as well, still prefer the extra weight...

 I use a backpack if I'm joining friends on an all day epic but for general purpose use I go for my Evoc hip-pack with a 1.5ltr bladder, I can't be bothered strapping tools to my bike as it looks crap, nor an I pretending to be an Enduro pro.

 I don’t know either, people like drinking from gritty ass water bottles I guess. Small backs are still the way to go for me, especially when your riding solo.

But, lots of people just go out on 5-7 mile rides, about 30 - 45 minutes at a time here in groups, right from the parking area, main trails only. If I’m doing that I’ll just take a water bottle and no pack

 I didn't for years but now I do. I just started using my swat. Tube and tire levers. Pump and Leatherman in the hydration pack as well as car keys, snack, knee pads etc. Swat multi tool in my headset.

 @mountainsofsussex: phone that you'd rather not fall on is in the same place as the back protector... seems odd. do you put padding in the pocket where your phone normally lives?

 @just6979: it's pretty well protected where I put it. And had it been in a hip pocket on Friday, it would have been new phone time!! I'll be walking with a gangsta limp for a while...

 @pargolf8: well, here goes... I honestly ride with 2 litres of water in my pack, with a cherry Coke, sometimes normal coke. I'd rather have more than less water especially as it's getting warmer.

 @Jamestyrrell: I ride with at least 1 depending on where I'm heading.

 Yes a lot of us have. Bring what you actually use and not what you think you might need. I’m one of those guys that absolutely will not buy a trail bike that can’t fit a full size water bottle. SWAT multi tool in the head tube. Phone, keys, wallet and collapsible water bowl for the dog.

 Some good lols were had from this thread

 When it fits in so many different slots...

 Yeah, what's that tool like after sitting on the back of my car for a week of gritty rain & dirt roads?

 @blowmyfuse: Why is your bike on your car for a week?

But... considering the state of a Topeak multi-tool that lived in the waist-belt pocket on my old pack for a couple years, it'll be functional but quite rusty and difficult to swivel the tools out.

And so far (8ish months, decent mudding, decent washes), my Specialized SWAT EMT tool that lives on the bottle cage is as shiny as new...

 @just6979: because that's how it gets to and from the trails, on the back of the car on a rack. I learned a long time ago that 99% of corrosion and grit on and in my bikes & parts isn't from the trails, but from transport to, from and then the times sitting in the parking lot at work baking, marinating, brining or rinsing in whatever weather is at work or on the way to/from the trail.

Sticking a multi-tool on my bike makes it as prone to corrosion as the bearings.

 Don’t need to wash if you have protection!

 I'm told you're not supposed to lift a bike by the saddle (pulls air into the dropper), so this is exactly where I've trained myself to pick my bike up from.

 I'd not noticed that until you pointed it out. It's where I hang my bike on the wall and where my boot mounted carrier holds the bike. And where some of the chair lifts in champerey carry bikes! Even without the tool in there, that's probably not great for the frame!

 @rojo-1: Only some droppers (only Reverb?). Shouldn't hurt a Fox Transfer because of how the spool valve works, and doesn't seem to affect the two PNWs I have (nor the backup/take-off Specialized because that's mechanical).

 @rojo-1: wow that could be a problem - often hike for 30-40 minutes with the saddle nose hanging on my shoulder. But I'm running a Transfer and before that a command post so not a problem, but I'll keep that in mind if I ever buy a different dropper.

 I've had the same Topean Aliex XS for something like 15+ years. Tool works great & always has. Not a generic tool.

Also, people wanting the Fidlock for a tool kit doesn't seem smart. You can (although difficult to do) knock a Fidlock off your bike. Sure if it happens with a water bottle you're out 15-$30 for a new Fidlock bottle, but a $60 multi-tool on a Fidlock mount?

 @blowmyfuse: I NEVER knocked my Fidlock bottle off so far, same counts for my buddies.

 Just slap ENVE or YETI on it and you can increase the price 5-fold

 @nolimit: Never said you did. But...you CAN knock a Fidloc bottle off. But you can't knock a Pivot/Topeak tool off. That's all I'm saying.

 @blowmyfuse: I would say that it is generic as it is no way specific to Pivot but I agree that Topeak are quality tools.

 @WAKIdesigns: And that's a fact!

 @Shafferd912: And if it’s for roadies? A Ceramic Speed!

 @WAKIdesigns: Am I reading this right?? $714 for BEARINGS???

 @Shafferd912: Hambini aged five has a really good take on them

 or the swat bottle cage tool. Seems like a better use of space. I suppose this has a bigger multi tool. But if i had them I’d want to use the top tube bolts for something else, like a mini pump

 You’re saying the Oneup EDC is coming out of people’s steerer tubes while riding? This is the first time I’ve ever heard that.

 @lj17: I never heard of it too.

The Swat doesnt avoid your warranty of your fork tought. No need to drill the steerer tube

 The SWAT CC is probably the best out there, but I didn't have problems with the EDC coming out so much as not being able to get it out without a fight when I needed it.

 @NotNamed: tap, not drill. And not necessary anymore with their stem.

 @just6979: as much as I love OneUp's products the stem solution is still a pretty elaborate one vs the way Specialized handled preloading the headset. The one downer with the Big S version is that there's no room for CO2 if that's a deal breaker.

 @DrPete: I’ll give you that the EDC install is more involved. I could see how that could be a turn off for some. The Specialized is nice though, but it doesn’t have room for as many tools. I have the tire plug/quick link pliers add on with my EDC, and with everything else it has I don’t feel the need to carry anything else, except for a small pump.

 @lj17: it is true that the EDC gives you a little more room in exchange for a bit more struggle.

 @just6979: the stem isn't the best of designs. I've ended up taking it off as it comes loose way too often for my liking.

 @filryan: I don't need to carry tools I'm just guna borrow yours ????

 Hahaha well your riding around on my wheel so you may aswell use my tools

 There's no room under a seat if you are using a long-travel dropper.

 This thing is way dorkier if you asked me.

 I thought so too, till I got a bike with the Specialized SWAT CC.

 I riveted a bottle cage to the downtube and use one of those choad pringles cans to hold a full allen and torx set and a cresent wrench

 @just6979: lol

 I would but I’m busy forcing people to read PB comments at gunpoint.

 My friend left his bag in my car after a short workday ride and it was about 20lbs. I said if we can walk home from our furthest point before dark a water bottle will do. He laughed and agreed.

 And Im waiting for the torque wrench that clips to my chainstays.

 @heckler73: with integrated chain silencer!

 Fix-it Sticks stored in a SWAT down tube would get you there. Not a true Y tool but close.

 @DrPete: Yeah these are clever depending on your preferences. Loose bits are versatile and compact, but I'm afraid to drop them in the mud (imagine it typically being wet, cold and maybe already getting dark when shit hits the fan and your bike breaks) so I rather see my tools stay in one piece. Obviously for home tools and for a torque wrench in particular, loose bits are ideal.

I noticed Crankbrothers has a nice middle ground series of Y shaped tools. That is, they have a Y15 and Y16 set that gets you a pair of Y shaped tools and some loose parts for when you really need them. Not necessarily what I mentioned but at least you're getting Y-tools safely packaged so that I wouldn't mind carrying that on my body.

What I was aiming at though was that ideally you'd have some simple spring steel clamps on the frame that'd clamp the Y-tool but you can grab and put it away in a second for quick adjustments. Wolftooth already makes a nice single tool with a chain breaker and tire plugger in one so that compliments this nicely.

One solution I was thinking of would be to suspend a piece of tube between two tubes (I ride a hardtail so I've got room down low between the seattube and the downtube, most suspension designs are crowded there). Punch two holes in there and the tool will probably stay in place. By far the ugliest and dirtiest way to do it, but it would probably work. The industry could easily realize a prettier solution. Wolftooth being Wolftooth, they'd probably just realize this in two months if they read this (and they agree). Or as this article was about integrating it in the frame, they could really make something that snaps it in one corner of the front triangle.

 Strap the 3 way under the seat.

 @RonSauce: Thanks that's clever, I'll look into that! I don't want it to extend beyond the saddle deck but I've got a smaller one from Tacx too so that one might fit there. Ideal would be if it just securely snaps in place so without having to resort to straps etc. Obviously there are loads of ways to strap something like this onto the bike. The company that gets my props is the one that comes up with something neat that does just that, you securely clip it in place and can grab it in a second.

 Unnecessary for an hour ride, especially when warm.

 I dont need a backpack though!

 @jrocksdh: but tools are unnecessary for an hour ride as well

 What sort of wimp only rides for an hour?

 @ReddyKilowatt: people on a lunch ride. people who have to get home before wife gets mad. etc.

 It's the same as the topeak ninja tool, which goes on the topeak bottle cage. That's sealed, so shouldn't get muddy and rusty. Well, not straight away anyway. And it's inside the main triangle so it shouldn't be toooooo bad

 I've had ninja tool for almost a year and it's lasted perfectly well through 3 seasons in the northern uk. Just a squirt of gt85 on the hinge after every wash and it's good to go. It's a handy place to have a tool too as it saves you having to take your bag off and rummage through it at the side of the trail. Not life changing by any means but nice to have.

 Some of us live in environments where we don’t ever need a jacket. So no jacket in my ass.

 I guess you could say the same about cars.

 Yeah, but why? Just one more thing to check before a run: got to make sure the toolbox door is latched _and_ the box is pivoted back to the center detent (I'm assuming there is a detent, because if there isn't, then that's just stupid).

They even showed it open and not pivoted...

 @just6979: yes the rotation locks to 0 and 90 degrees either way, it's a robust latch too so a quick cursory glance will tell you if it's open or locked.

 You can, in fact, mount it there as well if your bike has the appropriate bolts.

 Water bottle mounts have been on the undersides of top tubes for about as long as water bottle mounts have existed, probably since before you were born. Bolt on bike tools have existed for decades, perhaps even a century. Topeak has been making a line of products almost exactly like this for many years before this co-branding with pivot. In other words, your accusation of copying the Druid is completely wrong.

 @dfiler: yes a bottle mount is nothing new but forbidden

 @dfiler: yes a bottle mount is nothing new but forbidden were the first (at least recently) to put a mount on the underside of the top tube for tool use only and even if they didn't invent it, it's appeared on a lot of new bikes since. And yes topeak has been making these products for years to mount onto a bottle cage for years so the only new thing here is the direct mount from topeak

 The forbidden druid is a cool bike but you're wrong about them inventing mounts on the underside of the top tube. Companies started cramming more and more mounting points into weird locations at various points in history. Most recently it is because hydration packs fell out of fashion while big travel full suspension bikes came into fashion. Limited space within the front triangle made designers get creative. Forbidden is one of many companies putting limited space to good use.

 It does if you own a drill.

 I have drilled some carbon in my time.

 @JohanG: I’ve drilled the holes, what should I do next?

 Doesn't the EVO come with down tube storage? Even without that the SWAT CC head tube option is way better.

 On my Remedy that has holes just like the pivot- I have a wolftooth strap mounted to the holes then a Topeak Ninja Mountainbox which mounts the same way. The mount would be great. Which is a great size and I carry a crankbros multitool, park boots, a stans dart kit, and a co2 cartridge. It's incredibly convenient. I think Pivot showed the wrong tool set to show what their new device can hold

 Your mates have tools HAHA! My mate has a box, she carries she my tools!!