Ahh, the simple times. No dropper posts, 26" wheels, parts that didn’t work all that well and it was fine. Bikes have come a long way over the last twenty years or so. Literally everything has changed. Disc brakes were the new and scary thing for some riders back then, and progressive geometry was a headtube angle in the low 70's.
Nowadays, bikes are more advanced than we would ever have imagined. Progressive geometries coupled with advancements in materials and manufacturing allow us to have performance that is unmatched by even bikes a handful of years old. Bikes are really, really good.
But what if you couldn't have it all? What if you had to pick? Take the geometry of a modern bike and the parts and build of a bike twenty years old or, modern parts but restricted to twenty year old geometry? Or, would you rather split the difference and ride a bike from the awkward year of 2010?
2000 geometry and 2020 parts?
Or, 2020 geometry with 2000 parts?
I see what you did there.
Lets not be talkin' about no ostrich f*cking in here.
2010 it is. You'd still get up and down the hill albeit a bit slower, and you don't have to fear your brakes just giving out under you (unless they're avids)
I think you could take a 2010 bike and still have crazy amounts of fun on it. But a bike with 2000's geometry? Uhh, nope. I started mountain bike racing on a 1992 Rocky Mountain Fusion... I was only like 13 or 14 so my body didn't mind going OTB every ride... I don't think my body would be very happy now.
What I did mind was replacing parts every two weeks... most under warranty thankfully (thanks for the four flexstems Girvin!). Sending it and bending rigid forks was not warranty-able though. At least with better parts, you'd have more fun for the few minutes you get to ride before ending up in the hospital.
2010 it is.
But my 2002 Stumpy? Forget it.
(a Grip2 damper and SRAM Eagle can't save you from a 72 degree head angle and short reach)
You can make some pretty good choices in 2000 for parts, but 90's tires and handlebars are really going to suck...
Dream 2000/2020 bike:
- 2020 Banshee Spitfire v3 (26" wheel compatible!)
- 2000 Marzocchi Bomber Z1 QR20 (130mm) coil
- Wheels: 2000 Mavic Deemax 20mm / rear QR (custom R dropouts?)
- Brakes: 2000 Hayes Mag disc brakes
- Drivetrain: 2000's XTR (2x9 with bash)
- Headset: uhh you have to cheat here.... but Chris King
- Thomson Elite Post and Stem
- Easton CT2 Monkey Lite handlebars (660mm!!)
- Tires: 26x2.3" Continental Vertical Pro
Forks by year: weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=suspensionforks&sortby=year
Shimano components: mombatbicycles.com/Shimano.htm#2000
In 2000 you got a choice:
- Octalink: Shimano fragments in ankle
- ISIS: new RaceFace BB every weekend
Shit, who I am kidding? Give me 2030 geo and 2030 parts. I might be 57 then but there will be 2030 pills.
There’s only one choice apparently. Redundancy department of redundancy?
I do think that many old-school frames 2005-onwards with the right parts can be almost as much fun and far more affordable than a new bike. Finding a decent non-tapered fork is getting hard though!
At first, I thought "no brainer, 2020 geo all the way". Then I remembered how many damn things I broke in 2000, disc brakes that only mostly worked, suspension that was worked OK in the best of scenarios, by today's standards. But there's no way in hell I'm riding 2000 geo again, my body wouldn't put up with it anymore.
Nobody wants to go back to 2010 everything, but if that's these are the choices, this is the way it has to be. At least some decent do-it-all bikes were coming out, and the top-o-line DH bikes were starting to get decent.
DH bikes by 2010 were not much different to what is available from DH bikes now. Banshee's and Mondraker's geometry were both excellent and comparable to current bikes, the Fox 40/RC4 (or CCDB) of the time was able to be tuned to be about as good as anything we currently have, we had M810 Saint by then so reliable drivetrains and powerful (though a bit inconsistent) brakes were completely sorted. It's really the pedalable long travel bikes (enduro/trail/all mountain/whatever lame term you wanna give it) that have come along hugely in the past 10 years.
Hopefully the guy in the video is seven feet tall, otherwise it's pretty small but it looks decent:
It would also be interesting to find out if modern geometry even works with old parts or did the evolution of the two come hand in hand.
Drunken urban assault ready
Hell, I’d even take that spec on a 2010 geometry frame!
...anyone who rode in the era of fully rigid, cantilever brakes, tyres that didnt grip & parts that frequently broke.
new parts, old bike for me.
I bought back my first decent Mountain Bike from 1995, a long stem makes you see the front hub between your arms. My back need a short stem ASAP!
Gravel is a new old MTB:
What precisely does "2020 geometry with y2k components" mean? Does it mean that you get a frame that could have been made in 2020, with modern geometry and modern standards, which is also built to modern quality and strengh standards? Or does it mean that you get an early 2000s frame, like that old Trek Fuel, that just happens to have a 470 mm reach, but with otherwise old standards and also the build quality you could have expected back in the day?
Instead of the 80 z5. My 2007 norco manik is amazing except for the fork, which is stiff and too short (I am looking for a new one). My main bike is 2010 specialized stumpjumper which is not very stock but I is light and fast. In fact I can beet people on 2020 norco sights!
You/One wants the geometry to be able to enjoy the ride. it doesnt matter if you've got 14 cassette sprockets and uber supple bump compliance across 6 different compression profiles, and multi compound tyre tread, or a bike that is 7% stiffer than the previous model. Thats the tail wagging the dog. run what you brung, smiles per mile.
*....Can i keep my dropper post tho?
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Modern geometry with old parts, or old parts with modern geometry?"
Thats the same thing innit?!
OR at least that's my guess...?
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