Review: Ride Concepts Vice Flat Pedal Shoe are "Different Grippy"

Jun 16, 2020 at 7:22
by Daniel Sapp  


Ride Concepts have been starting to make their mark on the mountain bike scene, developing a complete line of shoes consisting of flat and clipless models in options for men, women, and youth. The Vice, a shoe aimed at the dirt jump, slopestyle, and BMX crowd, is the brand's latest offering which debuts today.

The shoe is designed to give riders exceptional pedal feel and compliance by utilizing their RC Fuzion outsole. Contrary to other shoes, such as their Powerline flat, the RC Fuzion outsole has a sloped and angled inverse hexagon pattern, with larger hexagons at the toe and heel, allowing the pedal to sink into the outsole to give riders more sensitivity. Additionally, there is a D3O injected insole to help absorb impacts and reduce fatigue.

Vice Details
• Rubber Kinetics DST 6.0 High Grip outsole
• D3O insole, Internal TPU toe protection
• Gusseted tongue, Suede upper
• Colors: Men's - black Kyle Strait Signature, charcoal / black, camo / black, Women's - black, grey, Youth - charcoal / black, camo / black
• Sizes: Men's 7 - 15, Women's 5 - 10, Youth 2 - 6
• Weight: 481 grams (per shoe, size 9.5)
• MSRP: $100 USD / €100 (men's / women's) $80 USD / €80 (youth)
www.rideconcepts.com
Ride Concepts again collaborated with Rubber Kinetics for the sole compound on the Vice which is a new DST 6.0 High Grip rubber. The hexagonal pattern on the sole is inverse, with 9mm hexagons at the toe and heel and smaller 7mm ones in the pedal contact area. The shoe utilizes a suede upper for durability and protection.

Other details include a cup outsole design with 3mm of EVA for extra shock absorption, perforated ventilation for breathability, and Internal TPU toe protection. The tongue is also fully gusseted to keep dirt and other trail debris out.

The Vice is available in a wide range of men's sizes, from 7 - 15, women's sizes from 5 - 10, and youth sizes from 2-6. Color options include the Black Kyle Strait signature model, along with a variety of other options for men, women, and youth. The adult sizes sell for $100 USD and the youth sells for $80.


The Vice utilizes a DST 6.0 High Grip rubber compound and an inverse hexagonal pattern with angled and inverse hexagons varying in size.
The footbeds have D3O inserts in the toe and heel to help with shock absorption.

The toe box is reinforced for added protection.
The shoe has small perforations all over to add to breathability.

Performance

Fit on the Vice shoes was true to size from the start, with the US 9.5 fitting exactly as other US size shoes do. As with the Powerlines, using EU sizing may land riders in a little bit big of a shoe as they seem to let these run a bit large but the US was spot on.

Overall comfort is far and above beyond what other flat pedal shoes I've ridden are able to offer. The Vice feel more like a casual street shoe and are supple enough I never found myself wanting to get them off of my feet after riding to swap for a better walking option. They aren't the stiffest shoes on the pedals by any means and provide an excellent feel of where your feet are when riding. I found that feeling to be similar to a pair of Vans, but in a more performance-oriented way - as the shoes weren't overly compliant.

Traction on the bike was superb. I found my feet locked in on the pedals nicely and I didn't feel myself longing for more traction, as I have with other shoes and I had no issues keeping my feet on the pedals, even in rough terrain.

Now, what everyone really cares about - how does that traction compare to Five Ten's Stealth rubber? It's just as grippy but different. With the Five Ten, the pedal pins sink into the rubber itself. With the Vice, the rubber alone has a lot of grip but where most of the traction comes from is the pedal pins sitting in the recessed hexagons.

The DST High Grip rubber compound on the Vice is much faster rebounding than the Stealth and without the inverse hexagons on the outsole, the equation wouldn't equal great traction. With them, there's not only great traction but moving your foot around on the pedal, when you want to, is easy and you're not locked into as rigid of a position as with many other riding shoe options.

I've had the shoes out on a number of rides and, for the most part, I've stayed dry enough to avoid a full soaking. In the wet conditions I've encountered, I didn't experience any loss for traction although I don't think that the design of the sole will lend itself to easily clearing muck if you wind up walking a lot. Durability wise, I haven't had the shoes on the trail quite long enough to give much of an opinion here but there have been no red flags thus far and they are holding up as they should at this point.



Toe to Toe: Ride Concepts Vice vs. Leatt DBX 2.0

The Ride Concepts Vice and Leatt DBX 2.0 are both new options aimed at the same crowd of flat-pedal shoe riders. They also both have a somewhat similar recessed pattern on the tread so let's see how they stack up.

Weight: The Vice and DBX 2.0 are very similar in weight, coming in within 2 oz, or 57g, of each other for the pair. Not a significant difference but the Vice is slightly heavier.

Design: Both shoes are sturdy but the DBX 2.0 is slightly stiffer and more robust, which comes at a cost of being not quite as easy to walk in so the comfort factor falls short of the Vice. The shoes both provide similar amounts of protection in the toe box area. As a softer shoe, the Vice offers a little more feel for the pedals than the DBX 2.0. The DBX 2.0 does have a lace retention strap which is a nice feature for riding shoes. As far as style goes, both shoes could do double duty as a street shoe but the Vice is a little more neutrally styled and offers a good bit more comfort with similar amounts of protection for when on the bike.

Grip: As far as grip goes, the Vice wins. Both shoes are tacky and the recessed tread pattern gives a little freedom of movement and easy foot repositioning while still keeping you on the pedals but the Vice sits in the pedals better, and by a good margin. The Vice rubber is softer by a bit and staying on the pedals when in technical terrain is easier than with the DBX 2.0.


Pros

+ Great fit & comfort
+ Excellent traction
+ Huge selection of sizes
Cons

- May be too soft for some riders



Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe Vice is an excellent option for those looking for an excellent fitting and compliant riding shoe. It offers a good amount of traction and is a great performance-oriented option with more pedal feel and comfort than many stiffer riding shoes currently available. The shoes however won't be for everyone. Riders who need extra support and appreciate a more robust construction will likely find the shoe a bit soft for their taste. Daniel Sapp








145 Comments

  • 73 4
 I never quite understood why suede was thought of as a good upper for mountain bike shoes? Not waterproof, not easily cleaned and not breathable.
  • 41 7
 Ya, no thanks on the suede. I'm cheering on any legit Five Ten competitor just for the sake of more solid flat pedal shoes, but these look like a generic Payless skate shoe knock-off from the mid 90s. Not horrible, but not great.
  • 28 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: I think these shoes are better suited for the Street/urban or freestyle BMX crowd.
  • 47 1
 These are for dirt jumping not riding the Shore.
  • 3 0
 @MikeyMT: Fair enough. They are advertised in pretty much all the shoe categories on the RC website though.
  • 27 0
 @shoreboy1866: Good catch! We are working on the site this morning and that's one of the errors. It should be in dirt jump and lifestyle categories. It is a good all around shoe for many uses, but our other models are more specific to all mountain and DH.
  • 17 0
 It's good for this type of application- DJ, slope, pump, trail, lifestyle. We agree, its not a technical fabric and as such do not use suede for our technical all mountain and DH models.
  • 1 0
 @RideConcepts: No worries. Id definitely like to try one of the camo pairs for a casual shoe. Any idea where in Vancouver, BC they will be available?
  • 40 0
 lots of people hating on the fabric choice, trying to dissuade
  • 1 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: I've got a pair of 11s (NIB) RC Hellion in the classifieds. Just fyi!
  • 7 0
 Suede can be waterproofed and cleaned.
  • 18 1
 @radrider: so can my full-length mink fur, but I choose something more purpose-built for DH riding.
  • 2 0
 @plyawn: goodluck finding something more durable or waterproof than specially treated suede. Have to take care of it 3 times a year. My frye suede boots have been through 2 seasons of treeplanting and still look good. Most boots dont last a season let alone are they still useable and looking good after 2.
  • 3 2
 Do anything that you wanna do, but ... don't you step on my blue suede shoes
  • 1 0
 suede is pretty resistant though. i've had alot of issues with five tens and shimanos having the coat peel off after a few months of use, where as suede stays pretty good.
  • 6 0
 @RideConcepts: can you please make these in a high top??? Like a real high top, not that 3/4 crap. I'll buy 10 if you do
  • 2 0
 @shoreboy1866: thanks for the tip on the camo. Ordered!
  • 2 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: The Brandon Semenuk Etnies shoes are the best riding shoes I've ever tried. Super solid support and they look dope.
  • 2 0
 @SupraKZ: glad you like them, but if a shoe doesn’t have sticky rubber comparable to Five Ten, they aren’t even in the contest for me for any riding outside of the dirt jump park.
  • 1 0
 @SupraKZ: my mate got a pair and hasn't found them to be very grippy.

I can't say anything, since my last pair of 5.10s wore out I have a pair of Osiris Skat shoes home re-soled with the tread from a Maxxis Ringworm.
  • 1 0
 Yeah I'm also @ no thanks for suede on my street shoes
  • 1 0
 @SupraKZ: got a pair of the mids this year........dope indeed
  • 1 0
 @SupraKZ: I've got the Marana Cranks, solid shoe but they are kind of on the heavy side.
  • 16 2
 These things look like some DC's from 2006.
  • 2 1
 that's a positive right?
  • 9 0
 Been riding their Powerline model for street trials and MTB since autumn and have been very happy but I'm pleased to see a dedicated street model with casual looks and a bit more pedal feel, it's a gap in the market that's now been filled, can't wait to try a set Smile
  • 13 0
 All black. Gum soles. Can't lose.
  • 11 0
 they look like my vans...
  • 2 0
 I was thinking the same. Even the soles are the same. Been using the same pair for 5 or 6 years and they're still holding up.
  • 7 2
 They look so good.They surely would work well for dirt jumping. For enduro id stick to cleats or to my 5 10 s freerider pro but for my dirt jumping or bmx ing they might be better than vans.
  • 2 0
 Yeah, Freerider Pros for trail and hard riding with a set of Nukeproof Horizon pedals is as close to running my clipless as I can get. Very happy with them and swap out between Shimano AM9's with Mallet clips to that flat combo and lose very little in terms of feel & engagement. I like that the feel between those 2 very different connections still feels so similar to one another.
  • 2 0
 @blowmyfuse: get the hell out. I have the freeriders pro and the Kris Kovarick Dagga pedals but f*ck I miss my Giro and CrankBrothers cleats setup. For real. I enjoy the flats but nothing beats the cheating feeling of cleats.

Rode flats for almost 18 years and just recently turned to cleats ( 2016 ) and this is the first season I only rode flats. Cant wait to muscle the pedals out. I cant un install the flats ha ha thats why I havent installed back the cleats this season.
  • 2 0
 @barbarosza: I just like being able to swap out so I can make the same trail into a different ride. Say you got a 1 hour long grind of a ride on flats. Toss on clips and knock out efficient without trying.
Or there's a ride you get rowdy on clipped in and racer boy. Throw the flats on and get drifty on it when the leaes are down.

Man...bikes are stupid fun these days to the point shoes can make all the difference.
  • 5 2
 I have one of the other RC shoes with the sole that is black (not sure what its called but its different than what we see here). I gotta say...my feet are all over the place, not even close to 510s and even the Afton's I wear to DJ...

These do look good and the sole looks a bit better.
  • 1 0
 Same here. Bought the TNT to replace my impact highs and having a hard time keeping my feet on the pedals. They are lighter and comfier though.
  • 2 0
 @dirtpedaler: Agree on comfort. Disappointed with the grip and dare I say debating going clipless. lol
  • 4 2
 My RC Wildcat’s offered marginally less grip than the 5.10’s but I actually preferred that as it allows me to more easily change the position of my foot, but still ample grip that I never felt like I was sliding off the pedals. 5.10’s also are the absolute worst quality recently so all of mine have started to come apart within 6 months. Pedals are so good these days that the Stealth rubber of 5.10 is overkill and the grip I can get from RC shoes is more than enough.
  • 1 0
 @clapforcanadaa: what pedals you using?
  • 2 0
 @MikeyMT: Deity T-Mac’s. With 5.10s and the T-Mac’s I found it hard to reposition my foot as there was too much grip. With the RC’s I can reposition, but have never slipped a pedal.
  • 3 0
 @clapforcanadaa: Im running t-macs as well. Even last night...had to re-position my foot while descending several times as they kept slipping around. Maybe I just suck...lol (highly likely).
  • 2 1
 Tmacs here too. Got my RC's about 6 months ago and not only were they uncomfortable, they were also bouncing all over the place. Took a few months, but they finally broke in and now are WAY more comfortable than my old Sam Hill 5.10s and they stick like glue to the pedal. I put my 5.10's back on and had the toe split (again) in one ride.

I would say to remove the two most inboard screws on the pedal (closest to the crank) on the TMacs. That alone made a huge difference.
  • 1 1
 @Thustlewhumber: Hmm...will try that. Im sliding all over the f*cking place since I got these shoes.
  • 2 0
 Interesting take. I have the Wildcat and love them. I have not tried 5.10 but my old shoes were Bontraeger, which I also liked fine. I use Vault pedals and actually flipped all the pins except the ones on the outside corners over because there was so much grip I could not adjust my foot placement when I wanted to. I can't imagine wanting more grip. Used to ride clips but I'm pretty sold on this combo for most days. I suspect one factor is some pedals require a softer shoe to get enough grip.
  • 5 2
 "With the Vice, the rubber alone has a lot of grip but where most of the traction comes from is the pedal pins sitting in the recessed hexagons...."

This is the biggest problem with shoes for flat pedals. Pins sitting in holes is absolutely terrible. It allows your foot to wiggle slightly and slip off but doesn't let you move your foot to a better position.

PLEASE can a shoe manufacturer give us grip on the toe and heel, and a flat portion where the pedal sits with tiny stipes like snow tyres have? Seems really obvious to me yet ALL the flat pedal shoes get it wrong.

While I'm at it can we also have good under heel absorption/protection for when you land heavy on your heel and a mid top design to stop you rolling your ankle sideways.

Thanks
  • 2 0
 "While I'm at it can we also have good under heel absorption/protection for when you land heavy on your heel and a mid top design to stop you rolling your ankle sideways."

Dr. Scholl's squish works nice! I've had a pair of the $15 insoles you can get about anywhere in all of my bike and skate shoes.
  • 1 0
 You’re looking for a Pearl izumi x alp pro
  • 2 0
 Exactly, like deck shoe soles.
  • 3 0
 The purchaser at my shop just placed a big order for Ride Concepts shoes, and I am definitely stoked. Really looking forward to am alternative to the big names, from a brand with lots of good DNA in the bike shoe world and NorCal local to boot (HA!)

I'm going to snag a set of these for my town bike/bike shop rat shoes and maybe another style for my riding shoes. Definitely looking forward to them.
  • 2 0
 I've used 5.10 for years and been happy with them. But to be fair there's not been any good competitors out there, so no supprise. After Adidas took over their quality, feel and preformance has plummeted, so I've been looking for a good alternative. Tried RideConcepts last year, and oh my what a difference. Grip is on par, and comfort is on another level. I suggest you give them a try.
(Unparalell is a viable option as their grip is insane. But comfort and quality is not up ther imo.)
  • 1 0
 Theyre competing more with Vans than Five Ten, good for urban riding but they would be a total nightmare as a mountain bike shoe. Imagine trying to hike through gravel and mud in those, yikes. If I was riding BMX I would probably be looking at these over Vans or clunky Freeriders.
  • 1 1
 It's just personal preference. I tried a couple Five Tens, but couldn't get over how stiff they were. I prefer the pedal feel of my Kyle Walkers even for enduro riding. Grip is on par with the Five Tens too.
  • 1 0
 @dlxah: I actually put a stiffening insole in my 5.10s. I wear them solely for riding though.
  • 1 0
 @RonSauce: Lol you're crazy, man. Why do you like such stiff shoes? If I can't feel how my feet are positioned on the pedals, it makes me feel disconnected from the bike. I can see how it would make sense for XC racing where efficiency is everything (although in that case I wouldn't be on flats in the first place), but for gnarly, technical trails, I want to know exactly how my feet are positioned at all times without looking down.
  • 1 0
 @dlxah: I ride mostly XC. I'm also 225, so I still feel plenty of flex. Running the axle mid foot is painful for me if I dont have a supportive enough shoe.
  • 2 0
 Really glad they're doing bigger sizes now, need to do that with the rest of the range. Can only find RC shoes in the UK up to an 11. Admittedly I've got big feet at a 13 though
  • 1 0
 I like how they look. Too bad it doesn't look like free returns. Shoes are difficult to buy online w/ no guarantee that they'll fit, so not having a free returns is a deal breaker for me. Might consider that in the future @RideConcepts
  • 2 0
 Free returns in the US!
  • 1 0
 I don't see the value of D30 in a shoe. The beauty of that material is that it is soft and pliable until impact at which point the molecules lock in place and become much more rigid. It was launched as hard shell protection with the suppleness of soft shell gear.

In a shoe... wouldn't that defeat that effectively translate to landing on a really stiff sole? Wouldn't you want a material with some "ramp" in its force dispersion?

Ready to admit I am misunderstanding how this stuff works in general or in this application...
  • 2 0
 The materials don't "firm up." The atoms on the surface of the material realign to absorb impact. The harder the impact, the faster they realign to absorb. Try it!
  • 2 0
 @RideConcepts: I’ve allowed my kids to hit my d30 elbow pads with a small bat when I first bought them.
  • 1 0
 @pourquois-pas: We may have done similar tests to our body parts before putting it in our shoes...
  • 8 4
 Looks great, but I'll still buy FiveTen's
  • 11 0
 I bought a pair of RCs at the beginning of this season and sad to say they have worn out already!! Brand new Not even close to the same traction as 510 and durability less than three months of riding 3 times a week..... pedal pin have worn out the bottoms so bad I went back to my 510 highs that I used for 3 seasons....
  • 3 0
 @sourdiesel: Hey sour diesel, sorry to hear. That's not up to our expectations either. Shoot us a PM and we can get you taken care of. Thanks.
  • 1 0
 @RideConcepts: Hi RideConcepts, how is the width of these shoes compared to your other models? These seem like they'd be great, but I'm looking for something wider in the toe box than your other shoes.
  • 2 0
 @sourdiesel: Similar experience here. 1 year of riding on Livewires and the outsole hex pattern is gone in the high wear spots and there are distinct gouges from each pedal pin. The soft rubber on the RCs feel fantastic when new, but I'd rather not have to replace them every season when my buddies have Freeriders that are 3+ years old that have held up much better. I guess it is like buying tires... high performance or long life, pick one.
  • 2 0
 Weird, I have seen the opposite where people have been on RC's for over a year and they still look new?
  • 2 0
 @overforked: it is crazy seeing the wildly varying claims of RC/5:10 shoe wear mentioned. My buddy still has a pair of super old 5:10 freerides that are still useable but I killed a set in less then 3 months. My livewires have about 80 rides on them and only have some hex's showing wear from the pedal pins. Much more comfy then the 5:10's, dont become bricks from retaining water and the grip has been fine for me. Probably going to buy a set of powerlines for park riding, I just cannot bring myself to buy another set of 5:10's.
  • 1 0
 @chachmonkey: This would fit similar to the Livewire- lower volume.The Powerline and TNT have a bit more room in the toebox.
  • 1 0
 @nickkozak: I'm wondering of there was minor tweak to rubber compounds between manufacturing runs during the early days of the livewire and now. I dig everything about the RCs except the lifespan... Then again who's to say 5:10s will actually last longer for me. Tough choice
  • 1 0
 @overforked: Shitty way to gamble a couple hundred dollars...
  • 2 1
 I wish they would bring back an "updated" modern Karver. Lightweight with medium stiffness sole, quick drying, inner ankle protection, LACE COVER! Caps for emphasis on that feature. C'mon shoe companies.
  • 1 0
 I want to see what happens when you muck up the holes on a muddier ride and if you completely lose grip when it dries out. That'd be fun, sitting there blasting out cry mud so that your shoes work again.
  • 4 0
 prob just take them off and smack them on the ground.
  • 2 0
 Cons: no lace cover. I don't get how some companies don't understand that laces will come loose and get caught in chainrings.
  • 1 0
 I have not had this happen in 25 years of riding flat pedals. (Knock on wood).
  • 2 0
 learn the better bow (to loop-arounds) and tie them with the bows towards the outside edge - probelm solved!
  • 2 0
 @plyawn: Or ride shoes with lace covers. My Shimanos work fine. Will be switching to Boa flat pedal shoes as soon as they're readily available in the US.
  • 2 0
 How about some high tops? What happened to the 5 ten line king or even free rider high? No more teva high tops. We basically need ventilated Jordan’s with sticky rubber
  • 1 0
 Yes! This! I miss high tops. I wonder if Ride has any plans to make a high top....
  • 2 0
 If Five-Ten would just add a dam lace cover to the Freerider.......all would be right with flat pedal mountain biking.
  • 4 0
 and roll-back to their pre-adidas pricing too, right?

I really like 5.10s and the freerider has been my go-to for years but when my last pair wears out I'm not sure I can justify what they're charging these days.
  • 6 3
 Sincere curiosity here, why are people anxious for lace covers? In 20+ years riding flat pedals in all kinds of situations and climates, I've never thought, "if only these laces had covers." Just curious.
  • 1 0
 @plyawn: Pretty easy to find good deals. I've never spent more than 100, probably never more than 80 on Five Tens.
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: I think its not so much that I have ever needed a lace cover, although sometimes they come with 5ft of laces, but that their clipless shoes come with a lace cover. Also, where I ride, we have these hitchhiker spikey things that you pick up when you brush up against their They are a motherf*cker to get out of your laces.
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: Unfortunately us Canadians get the short end of the stick when it comes to finding deals on Five-Tens. Adidas won't sell them directly to Canadians so all the sales on the Adidas website are not available. Bike shops around here usually sell them for $200-250 CAD and they don't really go on sale since they sell well. If you can find me some freerider pros half price that ship to Canada without $30 shipping + taxes + duties then let us Canadians know!
  • 4 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: I'm the same, would rather not walk around like a stormtrooper with lace covers when you can just tuck the loops of the lace under themselves, job done
  • 1 0
 @bigsleepy3: who knew! Dang.
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: I sometimes have problem with sizing, but 80-100 is a good deal, until I pay exchange & duty then we're back into that 150 range which is too much given how long they seem to last these days.
  • 2 1
 @plyawn:
A roll-back to their pre-Adidas quality would be nice too. My original Impacts lasted years, my replacements have fallen to pieces.
  • 1 0
 @gibbon-on-an-orange: I always see comments like this and wonder why my Five Tens have been problem free if they’re so bad. I’ve worn out 3 pairs of freeriders in the last 12 years, each going through hours and hours of riding and trail building until the soles finally wore out. Just lucky? Honestly to me Five Tens don’t look or fit all that great but the rubber just can’t be beat so they’ll be my shoe until someone can match the rubber and do better on price, style, or durability.
  • 3 0
 Remind me of my old Duffs. Thats a good thing in my book
  • 4 0
 BASICALLY VANS...
  • 4 1
 Toe to Toe should have been against 5.10
  • 3 0
 Vans... Where are you..???
  • 1 0
 check out the new Vans Pro Bmx hightop and larry Edgar models, not tired them yet but look good and are meant to be sturdyier than skate pro's
  • 1 0
 @justgofaster:

Yeah those have at least upgraded soles which don’t wear out so fast, but I’m looking for something more DH specific like their Warner shoe. Vans is absolutely lagging in the MTB game. Looks like they don’t really care...
  • 3 0
 Or just buy some leather skate shoes and spend the leftover $50 on beer...
  • 6 0
 Or just go barefoot and spend the leftover $200 on bandages and antibiotics
  • 5 2
 Do you also wear a hockey helmet while riding?
  • 2 2
 @RideConcepts: ...or don't be an ass to your customers? Just an option.
  • 5 0
 @Rudy2455: I don't think preach is a potential customer.
  • 2 0
 Hey Ride Concepts, would you ever consider a mid-foot cleat option? Please?
  • 3 0
 Omfg yes. I still don’t know why shoe manufacturers don’t do this. I think most people ride flats the same way. This let people transition from flats to clipless more fluidly. I hate how most shoes have it positioned so close to the ball of the foot. And it feels even weirder landing from drops.
  • 1 0
 The Transition has a really long cleat box for lots of adjustability. Have you checked it out?
  • 2 0
 @RideConcepts: so the box isn’t what me or most other people have a problem with. It’s the clear slot length or overall position.

You can blow up that pocket all the way to the heel it won’t matter if the slot length and cleat position stays the same.

The consumers want you guys to translate the whole box and cleat slots down .50 - 1.00 inch. And we’ve been asking for this definitely over 3 years. Could even be longer.
  • 1 1
 @Happypanda1337: Sorry, we meant to say it has a long cleat adjustment range. Have you checked it out? Maybe the solution to your request already exists, Wink . If not, we'd be curious to know why you want to go even further back. Thanks!
  • 1 0
 Please put that sole on the more trail friendly upper! I like my Wildcats but find the sole a bit too stiff and lacking some of the feedback I tend to prefer.
  • 1 0
 Wildcat is stiffer for sure. You may like the Powerline...
  • 1 0
 @RideConcepts: does the Powerline have a stickier rubber compound that the Wildcat?
  • 1 0
 @jon-boy: Yes, Powerline uses DST 4.0 (softer) vs Wildcat DST 6.0 (a bit firmer).
  • 1 0
 @RideConcepts: awesome. Order being placed. Not sure how I missed that last time around.
  • 3 0
 Not high tops soooo DONT CARE!
  • 2 0
 Same.
  • 2 0
 Looks like a good option for park, street and Dirt jumps to me.
  • 1 0
 Definitely.
  • 2 0
 Not Scotland compatible. Big suede sponge...
  • 4 1
 RC>510
  • 2 2
 Oh look... another skater looking shoe in black without any lace coverings like clipless shoes! SO ORIGINAL IM SURE THIS WILL BE AMAZING!!!
  • 1 0
 Am I missing something or is the D30 impact protection either side of where the pedals will sit?
  • 2 0
 I don't know if this is what they were going for, but to me it looks like good placement for those moments when you have to ditch the bike while coming down from a jump, not to protect your feet from the pedals while still on the bike. I especially think some padding in the heel is good for bailing (why Vans insoles are considerably thicker at the heel).
  • 1 0
 @chachmonkey: your probably right, it would be interesting to try a pedal with full length D30 for hard non bailed landings too.
  • 1 0
 D3O is under the ball of the foot (above at least some of the pedal, depending on where you place your feet on the pedal then potentially a good bit of the pedal) and the heel.
  • 1 0
 I was thinking that. I tend to feel it most in the arch of my foot on those harsher landings or when barreling through rough terrain.
  • 1 0
 They look like my pair of duff’s from grade school,I need breathability these days
  • 3 1
 Lo9ks like the Vans chucka low. Go get a pair from the Vans outlet $40
  • 2 0
 Wanna be SCG’s at higher cost, less quality...and fugly!
  • 2 0
 Perfect for dad’s introducing mountain biking to the youngsters
  • 1 0
 happy to see "breathability", personally I prefer this to a waterproof sweaty rigid stinkfest
  • 1 0
 @DoddRCR: I mean the seduce, the color scheme and bottom sole is like a knock off. Just saying
  • 1 0
 Oops screwed up the reply
  • 2 0
 Just get a pair of Vans Sk8 Hi?
  • 2 0
 $100?

Buy. Some. Etnies.
  • 1 0
 Looks like my old 5.10 Dirtbags, but with a Vans sole?
I loved the Dirtbags, but the microdot could have been grippier.
  • 1 0
 th... those are... those are just vans. Buy some old skools for like half the price and get the same exact tread.
  • 2 0
 California shoes.
  • 1 0
 Not good for wet weather. So not really good for bc ?
  • 1 0
 Is the Livewire grip as good as the grip with these?
  • 1 0
 It's the same rubber compound, but different outsole design as the application is different. So it really depends on your intended use. If you're doing more all mountain type riding, Livewire is the go to.
  • 1 0
 But Vans by Vans are cheaper than Vans by Ride Concepts so...
  • 1 0
 Wanna be aftons
  • 1 1
 Hell No!
  • 2 3
 Modern 510s

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