Spotted: Prototype Fox DH Shock - Mont-Sainte-Anne World Champs 2019

 Yes, but what about the shock?

 In an effort to continually develop highly... blah blah Essentially "we aint sayin' nuffin"

 It’s not the size of the knob. It’s how you use it.

 This was months ago but now that I look at it, the piggyback thing is buldging up before going down (as it is on X2 & DHX2), which is not great for the trunion version. Trunion allows smaller shock for the same travel, but if the piggyback buldges up you lose part of the advantages of trunion metric shocks (shock takes less space). Fox shocks look cool but EXT or Fast handle this better (though maybe the piggyback is protruding forward a bit more).

 The additional adjustments really help you dial out the "cahcahcahcah"!

 We've changed the knobs for adjusting high and low speed wehdehdeh as well as for kuhkuuh.

 @shawnca7: We've integrated Loris Soundboard into the shock. Let's say two click of low speed rebound is a wehdedehhe. Then the rider can directly compare the sounds on the trail whether it is more a wehdedehhe or kuhkuhhcloc and immediately knows the suspension is dialed in.

 This post is shocking enough for me.

 @chyu: I think it's actually pretty RAD.

 Like +1

 Pinkbike seem to specialize in this

 Reader spyshots are more professional than 2/3 of the marketing photos here.

 @CarlMega: lol. A+

 PB didn’t like my laughing emoticons but this is hilarious!

 Vergier's terminology check check.

 Sounds like you need to get some smaller fingers bro. Or maybe get that strong hand like the little one from Scary Movie.

 I once owned a 2006 Demo 8, and had similar feelings about my average sized fingers.

 @youknowitsus: You know what they say bro..... big hands.... big gloves

 It has indents so you can use a rod or small allen key to adjust it. Just like rockshox vicid air

 @ski-or-die: I hear ya, made an adjustment to the rebound on my demo 9 a couple weeks ago. Didn't have to remove shock, but it took far to long and was painful.

 Bro, you don't travel with a mechanic to do the knob twisting for you?

 Maybe the problem is the Wilson's arch design...

 Seriously can we please have dials that don’t require Allen keys? Wtf?

 Not sure why they started making the shocks with aleen-key-requirements. That’s not serious - on the trail i want to focus on riding and eventually do change something with my bare hands, not trying to keep the keys from not falling....@thenotoriousmic:

 @hitarpotar: I don’t normally carry tools, I can’t adjust my suspension on the trails to suit the conditions without having to carry two Allen keys or the plastic disk that comes with x2’s for absolutely no reason.

 @makripper: I'd say is a throwback to the Float X. Ahh the Float X.

 I've seen monkeys using sticks to collect ants to eat. Maybe you could take inspiration from this. They are very clever.

 @thenotoriousmic: Sure but they'll take up a lot more space.

 @Bflutz625: or even the dhx air

 @nagaredama: I am the mechanic...and sometimes the knob????

 I was thinking it might be for hydraulic bottom out control too but it doesn’t look like the rebound adjuster up top has both a 3mm and 6mm, just the 3mm, so maybe they moved LSR adjustment back to the mid valve??? Is the shim stack in the body called the mid valve?

 I’d love for this to be true, but my money is on it being a high speed rebound adjust

 Bottom out is some form of compression and should therefore be blue

 @solidautomech:
Yes looks like lsc is back on the main piston.
Top red adjuster is likely still hsr

 If you look at the size of the rebound adjustment near the reservoir, you will notice only one hex adjustment- not the normal two. Compression still has both adjustments near the reservoir, but it looks like the two rebound adjustments are separated.

 @kleinblake: meant to say yes looks like lsr is back on the main piston, Top red is probably the hsr

 True, but for me it means thing like the DHX2 will be on sale. New tech is the best way for good gear to go on sale.

 Owning a DHX2 is a good enough way to get you to need to buy new things...

 And that eagle eyes reader has pro-level photography skills! First look article dropping in 24,23,22...

 Yes, he has to have one eye with 12 lenses like a bug with 10-50 focal length.

 Photos of this shock have been arkund for a while, on vitalmtb and on pinkbike as well. This is just a tease for a press release. Bit sad to be honest. I wish PB were doing less press release articles. But maybe it's just me.

 Both current DHx2 and float x2 have lsr and hsr. Or beginning and end stroke rebound

 @avg-roadie: yup. Looks like they just moved the high speed rebound to the bottom of the shock

 The DHX 2 already has L&HSR designed into the same valving head but I suspect on this shock they have separated them and taken the LSR back to the more traditional way of doing it to have better control over the individual systems.

Although I would prefer it if they have incorporated some kind of hydraulic bottom out control/progressive damping

 @englertracing: two different terms for the same thing. Rebound shaft speeds are highest when the shock is more fully compressed and the spring force is greatest (end stroke), shaft speeds are slowest when rebounding in the initial stroke because spring force is less (beginning stroke). For rebound only, position sensitive and speed sensitive essentially mean the same thing since the speed is going to be dictated by the position in the stroke and vise versa. This doesn't hold true on the compression stroke since shaft speed will be dictated by bump force which is variable, while rebound force will always be the same for a given shaft position at a specific spring rate. There always seemed to be some confusion for some riders whether RS was referring to beginning of the shock stroke or beginning of the rebound stroke which led to some people getting their adjustments backwards, for simplicity and consistency across the platform it probably makes more sense to refer to the adjustments as Fox has.

 @ltrumpore: Do believe the needle adjuster in the shaft lets you stop top out a little better, no? Those things kinda top out, so maybe its to address that. Maybe they could ship the right size spacers with the V10s though, that'd be nice too, and less expensive.

 @englertracing: if you knew anything about shocks you would know the only input for rebound is spring rate, so it’s the same thing as beginning and ending stroke rebound. And I concluded that it’s high speed rebound because the other one is a 3mm, and all fox low speed adjustments are 3mm

 @kleinblake: Prior designs might suggest otherwise (see Vivid RC2 for example), however with the adjustment being a 3mm and Fox also using a piston based HSR system on the Grip 2 damper makes me wonder if they've done something similar here? But then why separate them? Maybe Jordi will spill the beans a bit on the next Dialed episode.

 @englertracing: get your hands on a grip2 36 or 40 and test it out

 @kleinblake: I have a 36 with a grip 2 and I've had it apart as well.

 @englertracing: if you unload the suspension slowly then you are the rebound damper

 Um. No. It's not.
Can't get much lsc out of them without cranking down the hsc, the hsc blows open giving a huge hole in the mid speed damling and they hydraulic lock at high speeds.
That's the downside of a poppet based damper

Really all fox's current example of the twin tube has going for it is that the hsr is externally adjustable, meaning you don't have to re shim or as a mfg offer soft medium, and firm tunes. Fox absolutely loves not having to do soft medium and firm tunes. What do you get in return? A shit compression curve. Not a fair trade.

This is why the originators of the twin tube (ohlins) use a hybrid between a de carbon shock and a twin tube in off-road applications, they still use a mid valve and they use a proper shim stack on the base valve/high speed adjuster.

Simply using a shimmed valve in the high speed system like ohlins does will really be an improvement.

It appears that fox is headed that way with this shock, indicated by the apparently larger compression assembly. Fox appears to be keeping the HSR adjuster and judging by its size it's a poppet piston which works decent for rebound.

This will mitigate the downsides of the twin tube design while providing benefits from both designs.

BTW If you think your x2 is good send it to Craig at avalanche for the ssd mod,
You will see that in standard form it's actually garbage

 @englertracing: I have no idea about valves and shim stacks. All I know is that I rode same bike with 2 different setups, my personal one eih Lyrik Charger 1 and CCDB coil and 36grip2 with DHX2 in the rear felt better. Plusher at the same time with more support in the middle. And I wan that support without needing to turn up SAG. I already run 17% up front and 27% in the rear so I am not a plow boy

 Have you used them?