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First Look: Hope's New F22 Flat Pedal

Jan 9, 2023 at 11:38
by Dario DiGiulio  
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Never one to create a new product without a good reason to do so, Hope Technologies waited over a decade to update their tried and true F20 flat pedal. With the redesign comes a slightly updated name as well: the F22. The changes made are subtle but meaningful, with improved performance and durability in mind.

The platform of the F22 has a noticeably different shape than the F20, with less material and a more side-specific shape. With a dual-concave pedal body and a tapered shape, the new design is intended to maximize contact with the shoe, while minimizing any chances of clipping obstacles on trail.
Hope F22 Details

• Redesigned platform
• Concave, asymmetric, tapered shape
• 11 pins per side, adjustable length
• Same internals as F20, with CrMo axle
• Fully rebuildable
• 2 year warranty
• 6 color options
• Weight: 360g / pair (claimed)
• Made in Barnoldswick, UK
• MSRP: £145.00 | €180.00 | $183.00
hopetech.com/

There are 11 pins on each side of the pedal, with two distinct sizes and height adjustability to further tune the ride - using the taller pins on the outer edges and shorter ones in the center is meant to enhance the concave feel. On the internal side of things, Hope has stuck with the same layout as the F20, using three sealed cartridge bearing and an IGUS bushing to keep things running smoothly. The axle has been updated slightly, and is now made with a heat treated and plated high-strength Cr-Mo steel. The internals are sealed in the same manner as all other Hope pedals, and are intended to hold up to even the worst UK slop.

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Fully rebuildable, and built to last.

The pins are reverse-loaded, meaning it should be a bit easier to extract one after you smoke it on a rock. The F22s also come with a pin reducer kit, which are essentially spacers that take up some of the 6mm stack height if that's too tall for your taste. The hexagonal shape of the longer pins is meant to increase their bite into the soles of shoes, resulting in more grip.

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Flat and spiky.
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More corners = more grip?

The pedal is 17mm thick at the outer edge, and 14mm in the center. As for the platform itself, that measures 105 x 111mm, with a usable surface area of 105 x 102mm.

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Plenty of colors to suit your style.

Retailing for $183 USD, the updated F22 pedal from Hope Technologies is available today.

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  • 211 1
 105 x 102mm usable platform to save anyone else the effort of googling it
  • 53 6
 Not all hero's wear capes. Thank you kind sir.
  • 12 4
 But what's the diagonal size from bottom left to top right on the left pedal but where the bottom left has been dented due to a rock strike?
  • 20 4
 Why so small? I'm surprised that the Pedalling Innovations size isn't catching on. It's so good, loads of grip but also much better for big impacts
  • 8 1
 These look smaller than race face chesters…..I’m spoiled by my Kona Wah Wah 2 aluminum plats
  • 5 0
 @notphaedrus: if the pedal doesn't span the full length of my foot, why would I even try riding it?
  • 5 0
 @jokermtb: Wah Wah 1 still my fav all time. Liked them even better than the excellent DMR Vaults that replaced them
  • 3 0
 @jokermtb: I'm with you, I have the large size of the composite Wah Wah 2 which are great; big, cheap, grippy and light. I was planning to run them on every bike, but frustratingly they no longer seem to be available in the UK.
  • 12 2
 Hope the adult-sized version isn't far behind!
  • 3 3
 @DirkMcClerkin: I have two sets of OG wahwahs. I use one as a commuter pedal, and the other as a nicer test pedal for higher end bikes we're selling.

No offense to them, they're not that great of a pedal. Somewhat small platform, small pins, very flat design with very minimal shaping to them, fairly heavy. It was a decent pedal at the time, but nowadays an $80 composite flat like the Wahwah2 does literally everything better. I'd compare OG wahwahs to a lot of fairly basic BMX flat pedals, honestly.

I'll keep mine forever as they're super cool bits of history, but not a product I'd look back at with rose tints
  • 4 0
 and at todays exchange rate £145.00 is only $173 dollars not the rrp of $183(rounded down to eliminate the cents but i should maybe round up due to it being more then fiddy cent) so if you get free shipping you can get them 10 bucks cheaper already
  • 5 0
 @sherbet: Yeah my villainous brother stole my Wah Wah 1's for his bike. He's still running them, I borrow his bike and curse his damned name lol.

Going back and forth now to my current DMR Vaults and previous Nukeproof Horizon's the Wah Wah 1's feel similar in thinness and concave under foot, but the Wah Wah 1 pins play better with my 5 10's, easier to reposition while also not slipping.

Was disappointed when the Wah Wah 2's came out with a tall center tapering out to a thin edge. Didn't really care for it or any of the tall-axle convex-shaped pedals.
  • 4 0
 @DirkMcClerkin: huge fan of wah was, but nothing comes close to the vault. Best pedals ever!
  • 4 0
 @Tmntnshit: So good.

Actually these F22's are close to those ancient Wah Wah 1's- 17mm to 14mm taper is identical, weight is 20g different, platform size is 7mm bigger. Hmm, maybe time to order up a set. Even come in sexy silver.
  • 2 0
 Booo, still a bit small for my big ol feet.
  • 1 0
 @DirkMcClerkin: Got about 3 months on the Aluminum WW2's now, and they're probably my favorite pedal ever....
  • 1 0
 @Woody25: I had the composite WW2's on all my bikes, but I've managed to crack the internal spar on every single one of em (I'm 210lbs, and do a lot of hucks to flat) - love the pedal design, and recently got the aluminum version (2x as spendy) so I can ride em more than one season. If you're lighter weight and don't jump like an ox, you won't crack the composite versions!
  • 2 2
 @sherbet: the 2.0 version is vastly superior....
  • 2 1
 @DirkMcClerkin: never tried the OG WW1's, but seems by your numbers, old is apparently new again in Hope-world
  • 2 0
 @jokermtb: WW1 fairly close in numbers to all the current top flat concave pedals actually: Tmacs, Vaults, Horizons (Sam's pedals), etc, etc. All 17mm tapering to 14mm middle, all in the 100x100 neighborhood.

Some people prefer the fatter center axle tapering down to thin edge convex pedals like WW2's etc, some prefer the concave instead, personal choice.

Wah Wah 1 isn't all that old, so the design is pretty bang up to date.
  • 1 1
 @DirkMcClerkin: original wah wahs are way smaller than vaults, which are way smaller than tmacs. Neighbourhood measurements doesn't work when the difference between tiny pedals and big pedals is 10mm. And what have you been smoking, original wah wahs didn't taper to 14mm, they had a massive axle bulge. All in all, not the worst flats I've ever used, but certainly a long way from the top.
  • 2 1
 @DirkMcClerkin: 'isn't that old' they came stock on the 2009 kona bass I had, but that's not old is it not?
  • 2 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: Haha, true that. Sorry meant "design" isn't that old as in out-of-date. I think they're almost 15 years old now. But that flat tapered design is just the same as pedals coming out today. If it ain't broke
  • 2 1
 @inked-up-metalhead: Vaults are 105 x 105, Tmacs are 105 x 110, not exactly "way" smaller.

Wah Wah 1 was 17 tapered below 14 then the tiniest of axle bumps back up to 14.
  • 1 2
 @DirkMcClerkin: right. And tiny old v8s were 95x95. So again, the difference between small, average and large in pedals is literally a few mm.

And kona clearly thought it needed fixing and brought out the wah wah 2. The originals were only just acceptable in all categories except durability, which they were a* for. Axle bulge, platform on the smaller side, small pins, it's all not very desirable.
  • 1 3
 @DirkMcClerkin: and it was far from the smallest of axle bumps. The gusset slim Jim's that I had had small lumps at each end where the bushings were, that was the smallest of axle bumps, the one on the wah wah was as bad as it gets in my experience, the middle 10mm was silver after a week.
  • 86 22
 Good call to name it f22. It stands for overpriced and underperforming right ?

If they don't improve it and make it a stealth color they can call the next one f35.
  • 65 0
 will you get shot down for that comment tho
  • 8 0
 Isnt the black, or camo, stealth coloroed?
  • 6 0
 That would actually be Catch22 Smile
  • 4 4
 @Compositepro: only by other f22 owners...
  • 3 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: so that's only one member then
  • 6 1
 Then the next one will be short, stubby, ugly, with a design stolen by the Chinese, overpriced with the first batch, but cheaper than the best old style pedals with the later batches and destroying every other pedal in real world testing. You'd still get laughed at by armchair experts for using them though.
  • 35 2
 As an airplane nerd I will not hear such F-22 slander. That plane was two decades ahead of it's time when it first flew.
  • 11 3
 I’ve never heard anyone describe the F22 as underperforming.
  • 1 0
 @mtb-jon: maybe they couldn't see the camo one.
  • 3 0
 Should be the F23?
  • 1 0
 If they make one that randomly falls off they could call it the F35
  • 6 0
 Don't diss the F22. It's 25 years old and still the best air to air platform with only the Felon and J20 coming close.
  • 2 0
 If the stealth color also causes it to get super hot when you leave it in the sun to the point you can't ride your bike, definitely name it the f35
  • 2 2
 @jgoldfield: a matte black set for fair weather riders named the b2.
  • 1 0
 @DangerDavez: the best air to air platform was the one Tomas Lemoine got over at crankworx.
  • 2 0
 @4thflowkage: Yes, but YF-23 though...what could have been..
  • 29 5
 "With a dual-concave pedal body"

That pedal body is flat as a pancake... Describing it as concave doesn't magically make it grippy, it has to actually be concave...

We truly live in a world of make believe these days. Things no longer have to be true for them to be accepted as true. It just needs to be said by someone cool.
  • 11 1
 It seems to be a running theme with recent pedal releases - say they are concave but in reality its just the pins and the body couldn't be more flat.
  • 2 14
flag iiman FL (Jan 10, 2023 at 5:03) (Below Threshold)
 IME all that matters is the pins, your foot shouldn't have contact with the body anyway. But I also agree with the last paragraph
  • 10 3
 @iiman: Agreed. If your FOOT is touching the pedal body itself something has gone very wrong with your shoes.
I do think that your shoe should reach the body though, pins long enough to leave your shoe hanging in the air over the body would be terrible.
  • 3 2
 @iiman: As G-Sport says, I think the foot / shoe ;-) will touch the centre of the body, unless your foot is completely rigid of course?

Case in point - check out images of a well worn vault, clear wear where the foot has rubbed anodising off the centre of the body despite it being much more concave than this Hope pedal - www.perpetualdisappointment.co.uk/2016-dmr-vault-flat-pedals-long-term-review
  • 1 0
 It looks on the first picture like the axle is positioned slightly deeper than the platform around it. So technically you could say it is concave. I doubt if you can feel it however. They alo seem very thick, not good for ground clearance.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: the reason concaves "grip more" (in quotation marks cause that's relative) is that the pedal body does not support the shoes so pins can sink more in the rubber. Now, long pins allow that independently of the shape of the pedal.
This is more important for folks who ride with the ball of the foot in the center.
In my case, using plastic One Ups (with longer pins to match the alloy version and the central one removed) and Shimano gr5 shoes AND the arch of the foot over the axle the sole never touches the pedal's body. Also, now they're about as grippy as it gets
  • 1 1
 @iiman: so your entire weight is supported solely on the pins of the pedal then? No wonder they are grippy.
  • 2 0
 Says 17mm to 14mm taper in article, which is pretty typical for concave pedals. You're right though that pic looks flat
  • 3 0
 @gabriel-mission9: You're mistaken. The picture likely looks flat, due to the the use of a moderatly wide angle lens (35mm on full frame sensor) shot close up results in perspective disortion. This makes the middle of the frame look wider than the sides and thus make the pedal look fatter in the middle than it actually is.

Learn about photography and the physics of photography and then comment on the matter again.
Learn more about perspective distortion here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_

By the look of the bokeh of the crank arm, the shot is likely shot at the lens' closest focal distance (0,28m source: www.kenrockwell.com/canon/lenses/16-35mm-f28-iii.htm) adding to the perspective distortion seen in the photo: www.pinkbike.com/photo/24008312

17mm sides and 14mm center is indeed concave.

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On your comment: "We truly live in a world of make believe these days. Things no longer have to be true for them to be accepted as true. It just needs to be said by someone cool."
You don't know the truth if you don't know the facts that lays behind what your eyes see from your limited perception/perspective and are willing to dig deeper into the facts to educate yourself.
  • 1 2
 @megatryn: Thats a hell of a stretch... You may be right, but I'm unconvinced. It'd be a hell of a coincidence if every photo ever posted online of that particular pedal, had exactly the same amount of perspective distortion, that just so happened to make the pedal look perfectly flat...

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, but currently I suspect you are wrong.
ep1.pinkbike.org/p6pb24008321/p6pb24008321.jpg
www.hargrovescycles.co.uk/images/Hope_f22_pair_black.jpg
singletrackworld.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2023/01/Hope_F22_9-scaled.jpg
theloamwolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/HopeF22-Rev-6.jpg
  • 1 1
 @megatryn: I suspect they mean the axle is machined lower in the middle. Which is better than the whole pedal being dead flat (which usually ends up feeling convex under foot). But I still wouldn't describe it as truly convex, like the old dmr v12.
  • 1 0
 Oops, I meant "concave like an old v12"
  • 3 0
 I have a pair in hand, they are concave, more so than a vault which I also have to compare.
  • 13 1
 I am a pretty huge Hope fan-boi, they make high quality gear but that does come at a relatively high cost. As a flat pedal rider, I was stoked to try the F20's when they came out and it Is genuinely the only time I have run a Hope product and been underwhelmed to be point of actually removing them from my bike and selling them on. I just couldn't get them to be both grippy and stable. I do have relativel big feet (Size 11 UK) and I constantly felt that half my foot was off the side of the pedal.

The fact there is no concave shape to the body itself and the shape is created by the pins alone seems intriguing. I would quite like to see the plan-view side by side to see if the platform is any wider or if it sits further from the crank.

If any company has earned a second chance to make a good flat pedal then it is Hope. But being £50 more than the current gold standard of flat medals that is the aluminium Burgtec Penthouse seems a bit steep. Just my 2 cents, many people will likely have different experiences than mine
  • 8 0
 Totally agree on the F20s. Treated myself to a pair as usually I’d just have spent £35 on Superstars and been quite happily. Massively underwhelmed, saw some advice about taking out the middle pins and they still weren’t great. Got gradually relegated to different bikes, now just sitting on a shelf in the garage.

The F22s do look better, but not enough to make me ditch the T-Macs I have now.
  • 5 2
 Your not alone. I'm a huge Hope fan boi but my size 13 (UK) feet don't work with these pedals.
  • 4 0
 I went from F20s to Burgtec Penthouse Mk5s and the difference is huge.... I now run Burgtec on all my bikes they're are hands down the best pedal I've run so far.
  • 2 0
 @mashrv1: how are the T Macs? I've just ordered a set to replace Vaults which I've been running forever.
  • 4 0
 @tremeer023: I bloody love them. Had them maybe a year now, mostly seem to be out in crap conditions and they're still my perfect pedal I reckon
  • 2 0
 @tremeer023: T macs are awesome. I have multiple sets. I’m thinking about trying HT MEO3Ts to save 1/2 a pound on my trail bike. Anyone have these?
  • 1 0
 @mashrv1: thanks. New year, new parts - always exciting :-)
  • 7 0
 Agreed, why pay that when Nukeproof produce the best flat pedals at a fraction of the cost
  • 3 0
 @tremeer023: Da best. Feel a little more pressure fore and aft but really locked in feel.
  • 1 0
 Completely agree. £100 is about my limit for pedals, and they would have to be spectacular for that. I currently run Horizon Pros and, other than a marginal weight sacrifice over others, I really don't see any need to spend more than their £50. I'm also size 11 (46) and the Nukeproof's platform is perfect
  • 1 0
 @txcx166: If you are a heavier rider I would avoid. On a heavy landing a few years ago i managed to shear all of the pins off on one side of the pedal, which resulted in me stacking spectacularly. I went on to DMR Vaults after that and have had no problems!
  • 1 0
 @canningtrigg: good to know. I’m 175lb, but will be hitting jumps and drops - riding hard on these. That’s why I had my doubts with being right at the weight limit.
  • 1 0
 @canningtrigg: that is a truly wild failure mode that I hadnt imagined. That'll be in my nightmares now
  • 2 0
 @mtmc99: Sorry about that, it did haunt me for a while. My pedal purchasing choices now tend to focus on pin strength, along with all of the other features. The short inner studs on the Hope F22 look fine, but I'm a bit uncertain about the outer pins that look tall and thin (although I have only seen a picture of them at this point).
  • 11 0
 Proffered the old one which had that ‘Hope look’ in honesty,

Massive fan of Hope products but this looks a little Far East for them and is quite a small but thick pedal.

Will no doubt last for ages and comes with great Hope warranty though - probably a product aimed firmly at the trail bike end?
  • 4 1
 Looking at the price though there will be in shops for around £130 with the usual little discount -mwhich is far far lower than say a wolf tooth pedal and right around ‘premium’ extruded Far East pedals with generic axles etc. So thumbs up on price.
  • 3 0
 The F20 looked nice, but even after faffing with pins I couldn’t make them any better than “meh”
  • 4 0
 It´s easier to sell short cranks with thick pedals
  • 12 0
 That silver pedal would look so good buried down in my shins
  • 3 0
 True - It will really compliment the deep red of the blood
  • 6 0
 Beautiful.. bu why are flat pedals so pricey?
Coming back to flats after years of clippin pedals, I've been amazed by their prices in general... and I'm just using a pair of 22€ composite pedals that I bought at Bike Components... and they are great actually; grippy and solid so far...
  • 12 6
 They are pricey because made in the UK from billet / quality materials.

I guarantee the cost for materials and bearings alone before machining, finishing, assembly, anodising etc is £25-£30.00, possibly more.

Now add in machine time, assembly etc and the margin for the shop / reseller, I bet Hope don’t make much more than £30 a set.

Hope products also come with fantastic support, spares supply and last for the parts last for absolutely years - people get 8+ yrs from the last Hope pedal, so not bad value if you blow up the cheap composites every year or two?
  • 3 6
 Speaking as someone in the UK, something being made in the ≠ better quality or materials. The cost for raw materials is absolutely not £25 either.

The cost of running the machining though, with today's energy prices, they are probably making a loss lol

Honestly though, high pricing is hugely down to marketing. It doesn't cost SC any more to make a carbon frame, but they price themselves at the top deliberately. They want to be seen to be boutique. It's the same with Hope.
  • 1 5
flag Benito-Camelas (Jan 10, 2023 at 5:40) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: All that you say is fine, but I think pricey branded stuff are mostly about social status, about impressing others at the trailhead with, for example, your fancy Hope pedals.
I made the decision long ago to stop paying the high costs of companies' marketing campaigns, and I don’t care what the rest of the world thinks about, for example, my Decathlon flat pedal shoes, cheaper and way more durable than my crappy FT freeriders by the way.
So give me those cheap composite pedals made in China any day.
  • 3 2
 @redrook: how much do you think materials (inc bearings and bushes) would cost then?

Last time I got a quote for a similar size of aluminium to a pedal body it was around £6-£7 (2014 t6) bearings say £2.00, bush £0.2, seals £0.3, axle £1.00, caps and pins £1.00

So maybe £25 is a little high, but not by much - all Uk prices as I am in the UK.

Making something in the UK does cost more than overseas - how do you work out this isn’t true, are you in manufacturing, have any examples?
  • 8 0
 @Benito-Camelas: Good for you, if you prefer to run cheap crap from alibaba on your bike go ahead.

Hope are pretty much the opposite of a marketing company too, they are manufacturers, not box sellers and marketers, you have the wrong company there.
  • 2 3
 @justanotherusername: are you assuming this article is free?
I hope you keep your innocence.
  • 3 0
 @Benito-Camelas: Yes, these articles are free you dumbass - its called a press release, I know for an absolute fact these articles are unpaid as I know someone whos company has had several releases run by PB and many other online 'MTB news and reviews' sites.

You do realise PB's whole purpose is content generation, don't you? You pay for PB to post an advertisement, not an article.
  • 1 3
 @justanotherusername: how many bits of aluminium were you quoted for? Hundreds? I bet you could halve those estimates and be closer to the true prices
  • 3 0
 @Tambo: Our quote was from metalex, Thyssenkrupp and metalweb.

We were quoted for a total of 6000pcs taking a call off of 1000pcs per month for 6 months, this quote was around 5 months ago.

Qty breaks are real but from experience ordering 100pcs vs 10,000pcs of the same size they are not as large as you think, unless you want to fill a shipping container full of course.
  • 1 0
 @Tambo: just as a reference, prices were just under half this before Putin went mental and aluminium prices over doubled.
  • 3 1
 @justanotherusername: yeah but your missing out the fact that the moment you say something is made in you own host country that they drop their pants and immediately show you their union jack to the core pants and vow to pay whatever it cost to support home manufacturing.......well at least till they discover they can buy it for 19.99 from some box shifter and then they sheepishly look at the ground going how f*cking much i can just buy 6 sets and replace them when they break , whilst obviously telling the world they are against disposable society
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: my brother communistpro seems to think hes just a very naughty boy and misunderstood DA!
  • 2 1
 @Compositepro: 'If you made one of these in the UK I would definitely buy one, 100%'..... said everyone before disappearing when someone actually goes ahead and makes it.

Its mad how its often the little englander that gets real angry over UK made stuff they consider overpriced when its them that wants to shut the UK off to the rest of the planet.

Communistpro needs a good spanking.
  • 1 7
flag Benito-Camelas (Jan 10, 2023 at 9:47) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: you're so innocent that you really think the main purpose of Pb's articles is just to generate content. There are many ways of advertising, you know that, don't you?
Although many people might mistakenly think you are a real a*shole, not me, as I said before, keep all that innocence intact. Such a nice thing to see these days!!!
  • 3 1
 @justanotherusername: actual am chuckling out loud
  • 2 8
flag Benito-Camelas (Jan 10, 2023 at 10:31) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: So putin went crazy and the price of aluminum rose. This is again a very simple and innocent way of looking at things. I think you have a problem and you should seriously consider alternative ways of looking at the world around you.
some food for thought: 2014 coup in Ukraine, massive bombing of the Dombass region for years (thousands of deaths), illegal installation of biological weapons factories near the border (some would call them weapons of mass destruction), third party interests to trigger a war and, for example, push up the price of energy and raw materials such as aluminum, and incidentally weaken Europe........... and so on
  • 3 0
 @Benito-Camelas: it’s not innocence you tit it’s actual first hand knowledge.

I am a real a*shole but I have some idea what I am taking about rather than pedalling some weird conspiracy about paid PB press releases.

Yes, the main reason PB publish a press release is for content, this is because idiots like us will read and comment on the article giving them viewers and interaction, they take these viewing figures and sell adverts to brands telling them that all of us idiots will click on them, you know those things on the side and top of the page?
  • 6 1
 @Benito-Camelas: again not innocence you giant turd.

Feel free to pedal your pro Putin fetishes all you like, my ‘world view’ doesn’t change my aluminium bill, does it?

If I start to ‘take the red pill’ or whatever bullshit you guys say will that give me an aluminium price discount?

Go worship your Andrew Tate mannequin.
  • 1 6
flag Benito-Camelas (Jan 10, 2023 at 11:06) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: eres tan gilipollas que no mereces que te conteste en tu idioma.
Venga a seguir mamándola subnormal.
  • 4 2
 @Benito-Camelas: usted es un tonto delirante radicalizado que piensa que ve a través de la 'matriz' pero en realidad es solo un niño asustado. XX
  • 1 6
flag Benito-Camelas (Jan 10, 2023 at 12:12) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: veo que no solo sabes insultar en inglés. Imagino que ha debido ser muy duro, la penetración sin previo aviso digo.
  • 2 1
 @Benito-Camelas: no se tiene duro como eres cuando miras fotos de putin cosa dulce
  • 10 1
 When the Nukeproof Horizon Pro is £50 I really don't see the need to drop an extra £95.
  • 2 1
 Exactly. So overpriced.
  • 3 6
 Fortunately there is choice, but to add some meaning to the extra cost these are made in the UK, from billet, spares availability is amazing, will likely last 8-10 years like the last model did etc.

The Horizon is on sale for £50.00 too, its RRP is £100 so not a fair comparison, CRC etc are selling them at pretty much cost price, I imagine they have quite a lot of covid stock to shift.
  • 2 0
 @justanotherusername: Lol and that's still £50 cheaper than the Hope's RRP.

If you have specific verifiable info about CRC's costs feel free to post, otherwise refrain from making unsubstantiated claims. Claims about previous work experience etc. are also not accepted as evidence. Hitchens' razor Wink
  • 1 1
 @justanotherusername: I think you would be surprised at the margins involved in the industry. While I can't (or rather won't) prove it, I worked for a company making climbing equipment in the UK, and selling directly we could make 95% profit on the RRP. Indirect sales netted us 70%+ profit on the RRP.

But I agree with redrook, unless you can prove these claims (I'm not going to prove mine) you might as well piss into the wind.
  • 2 1
 @rbeach: I have quite a lot to do with people that manufacture in the industry and I manufacture an own-brand product outside of the industry so very well informed as to profit margins and cost of manufacture.

The profit margins you are quoting are amazing and are a distant world away from that which a bike manufacturer gets - I cant 'prove' my claims of course, but I am happy to send you a quotation for a similar size of material to that which Hope would make their pedal from if that would please you?

@redrook - Of course its £50.00 cheaper, its make by Scada or HT in Taiwan, they are forged not machined from billet, they use an open source axle, seal and bush rather than in-house designed and manufactured.

Would you like me to send you a quotation from HT components from around 10 years ago? - I think I remember they would sell their basic pedal for around £18.00 cost then - that doesn't include delivery, duty or VAT - so lets say around £26.00 landed in 2013

Take from that what you will - they will be making about £10.00 a pedal at £50.00 retail if they are lucky.

No proof though of course....
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: but jeremy (c) hunt has removed directors dividends from next year might be time to get on the civil service pension scheme and get a guvvy job
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 @Compositepro: Mr mrs is pretty pissed off about not getting her £2k tax free anymore.
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 @justanotherusername: odd that mine is too
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 Sram Nx Casette 55 trade at our shop which is a trek franchise 110 retail
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 @thewanderingtramp: Your point being? - In the UK they are £110 retail and sell online for £60.00.

So going by your pricing the online shops sell them for a £5.00 profit or possibly even a loss if your cost price doesnt inc VAT etc?
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 @justanotherusername: The point being we sell them for 110 and buy them for 55 inc VAT ,So what if the box shifters are selling them for £60 Not everyone buys and fits OEM split parts some people walk in a shop and actually pay for the parts at RRP and pay for fitting at service charge prices, We can actually make around £80 on a casette and fitting , it is profitible business .
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 @thewanderingtramp: I don't understand the point still? Who was questioning you being able to buy an item and sell it for RRP? Who was questioning you being a profitable shop? What does a SRAM cassette have to do with a UK manufacturing business?

Good margins do exist in the industry of course but the manufacturer (Hope) isn't a small shop selling a handful of cassettes to people who lack the motivation to save £50.00 by ordering online at a price that is less than you as a shop pay for the item before taking it to you to pay the fitting charge.
  • 11 4
 A really nice flat pedal with decent concave platform... and it even reminds me of my OG Shimano DX's!
  • 7 1
 Is it concave though? If it is it is by the tiniest amount.
  • 5 0
 Definitely not concave
  • 5 1
 I don't get this short "pins", why on earth would I need a screew head as a pin? It does not generate any grip? I would say someone put it the wrong side up, but I can see a threadlocker on the thread, so it seems like it's as intended? WTF?
  • 7 0
 Don't knock it till you try it. Similar to dmr vaults, the created concave helps with grip.
  • 3 1
 yep. look at what street/freestyle BMX'ers do, an they don't worry about pins or shoes. They know a DEEP concave is best for grip an feel.
  • 1 0
 @Wesleybikes: DMR Vault Brendog don't have those hex head pins but moto pins which grip a lot better.
  • 7 3
 Still using those crap pins for grip , come on hope everyone knows grub screws are grippier , I love hope stuff and use it on my bike but the last pedals weren’t grippy at all !!!There are better Grippier pedals out there Burgtec , Unite ! Sorry Hope .
  • 2 0
 Pins are extra horrible when wet too. Also the side to side concavity is useless, feels weird and makes it hard to micro reposition feet imo
  • 4 0
 Nothing grips better than a fully threaded screw.
  • 11 5
 Nobody with a F20 will buy the F22 since the F20 is nearly bulletproof. Been riding the F20 for 8 years, never did a service and it still works flawlessly.
  • 6 0
 Going by the comments, Hope fans unsatisfied with the F20's performance might be interested if they've improved performance.
  • 5 0
 @Mac1987: yes, I changed to Burgtec even though mine was 10 years old and I opened one once just to close it immediately because it looked like new. A better platform like the MK5s is a game changee though, and this one doesn‘t look as good. Maybe if my Burgtecs don‘t hold up…
  • 4 0
 'What shall we do with US pricing?'
- '$180?'
'No, that's not enough with the current exchange rate'
- '$185?'
'No, now you're being silly! Don't overdo it'
- '$182,50?'
'They like round numbers, so round it'
- '$183?'
'Perfect'
- Great! And euro pricing?'
'Whatever, make it around 180'
  • 2 1
 US pricing typically is without VAT, Euro pricing is with VAT.
  • 15 7
 Bye bye shins…
  • 5 2
 Not if you wear decent soles shoes.
  • 5 2
 This makes me very Sad. The F20 was perfect and didn’t need any update. It reached up to the perfection of a flat Pedal!
I own 2 Pairs of the F20. One Pair is in use since 2013 - Still in good shape and without bearing play.
On the F22 I miss at least 2 features I love on F20, the waved platform and the shape and length of the pins. Also Pins in the middle of the pedal are also gone.

At least there is a promising alternative from Wolftooth since last year. If I ever going ti have to replace the F20 (I highly doubt that) I’ll give wolftooth a try because they look very similar to the F20
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 If they didn't do an update they wouldn't be able to create a new, higher, price.
  • 2 0
 Huge F20 fan here and that says a lot consider the work it has been to keep their rebuild parts on hand in the USA (DHL when and if ever in stock). The smoothly slanted profile worked well to level the pedal after those one legged balance saves, and they never got hung up on rock strikes. The pin shoulders kept the pins straight after heavy strikes. The "ribs" on the pedal surface that ran across the pedal felt like it helped add a bit to the shoe grip between the pins front to back. I even ran them pin-less once just to test that theory.

This new F22 just does NOT look like a Hope as others have said. I hate it. Where did the "ribs" go? It's as if the F22 came first and the F20 is the more stylish update we'd Hoped for.

Thankfully I just after building my new park/freeride bike I wanted a bigger platform and really wanted to have readily available parts. So just got the Wolftooth Waveform (large) and so far am super stoked. Rebuilt parts available (they are right to repair fans), no need for special narrow deep socket tool to open the end, and the Waveform pedal is 14mm outer and 12.5 mm inner thickness.

A benefit I didn't know was there is that first pin on the Waveform is like 12 or 13mm from the crank. The F20 is like 25mm out to first pin yet both the F20 and the large Waveform are roughly the same to the outer pins. It's like having a wider pedal to stand on without the pedal actually getting wider from the bike. In fairness Hope as done that inward move to these F22 pins but it's too late for me.
  • 4 0
 I have F20´s on all my bikes. Love the uniq design, performance, texture. These F22 look as average pedals from low-end manufacturer and are not worthy of the price for pair.
  • 5 1
 Weird, they just made the best clippedal i have ever owned and now they make a flatpedal which looks like its out of a taiwan catalogue.
  • 2 0
 You got to love the "first look" series. Industry press releases camouflaged into something they are not. Of course they do not have exact numbers on the thickness of the pedal (or anything else): they have never seen the pedal!
  • 1 0
 Words and phrases, like "first look", "spy shot", "spotted", etc, don't have meaning at Pinkbike, they're just filler to make more pages (to show more ads?).
  • 4 1
 Used the F22 for 6/7 years awesome flat pedals, only been to A&E 3 times to have shins stitched back together which I think is a result inn 7 years odd!
  • 5 0
 Looks like e.13 and dmr had a very plain baby.
  • 2 1
 Wow 180 € for a pedal it would look destroyed in a few months. I hate when my pedals look like the had being re finish in pure alloy color. That´s why I use composite pedals,they always look like new,even we they are broken hehehehe. I can buy decent pedals for 3 bikes for 180 €.
  • 1 0
 I prefer their previous pedal. Now their pedal looks and functions (traction wise) like everyone else's. I have a set of the previous ones and love them. But I now have the new Wild Tooth pedal which actually has a concave surface and some texture so it's not relying 100% on the pins for traction.
  • 2 0
 I don't think I'm alone in saying that I prefer pins to have the threads going ALL THE WAY to the tip. The smooth pins on this pedal do not hold onto your shoes as well as just plain threaded ones.
  • 1 0
 well, clearly not concaved like T-Macs, but the central 'Y' shape is clearly lower than the perimeter of the pedal. That combined with the shorter middle pins would give a little bit of shape. As a big foot though, would be nice to see something bigger, will have to take a look in the shop.
  • 2 0
 The F22 looks cheaper to produce with its flat surfaces. The old one had much nicer milling made with a ball nose end mill and many passes. This one should cost way less.
  • 2 0
 Said nobody ever about the F22
  • 2 0
 i'm sure it is difficult to photograph but a picture of the concaveness of the pedal would be interesting. 6mm hexagonal sounds painful!
  • 4 0
 Vitalmtb has more comprehensive info and that picture
  • 2 1
 @Jonesey23: As seems to be the case with a lot of reviews lately - Sort it out PB.
  • 6 1
 Lol at price
  • 1 0
 You think they are too cheap?
  • 2 1
 @justanotherusername: yes they are too cheap.
  • 1 0
 I’ll likely get a pair of these if/when my F20s die - I’ve had the for 8 years, on 3 bikes. They developed a bit of play last year, but it was easily fixed with a service (all parts needed were easily available).
  • 3 0
 And yet, we'll all buy nukeproof horizons because nothing beats them for performance and price. Solid effort though Hope.
  • 1 1
 Had a pair of these before I switched to clips, hit a rock going about 35/40 and got sent over the bars and thrown 20 feet. Hurt like hell. The rock was split near in half and the pedal hadn't a scratch, just some rock powder stuck to one of the pins.
  • 1 0
 At a glance these looked like vaults with hope internals.
Now that's a pedal I'd buy and use forever.
Too bad these got hit by a shrink ray. I "hope" they make some bigger ones (but not thicker)
  • 1 0
 If I had comfortable loose cash then perhaps, but my budget and tightness limits
my spend on pedals at £50, One Up composite, switch out pins for stainless nyloks and bolts,
rust and blood thing : )
  • 1 0
 I had the F20's and liked them but when I upgraded to Chromag Daggas I was blown away at how much better of a pedal it was. I also agree with the rest of the comments that the F20's look better than the new 22's.
  • 5 2
 In a world full of too many pedals, that is a bloody nice looking pedal.
  • 1 0
 I can still adjust my ride height using different shoes and thick or thin socks though ya yeah, these days fine tuning is all about the mm
  • 3 0
 C'mon Hope.... do your stuff in Green!
  • 3 0
 looks like a Saint pedal and a Vault had a baby
  • 1 0
 Reminds me of the Easton pedals from back in the day. If they had of kept up with tech evolution I'd bet theyd still be some of the best.
  • 2 1
 Dear PB, just because a manufacturer is lying that their pedals are concave, doesn't mean you have to parrot it (again). Didn't you even look at the photos before posting?
  • 1 0
 It's thinner in the middle-middle, not the side-middle. So it is truly concave, even if not usefully concave.
  • 3 1
 These look nice, but I think I'll stick with my oneups
  • 1 0
 For a 5-Axis CNC machine this pedal looks kinda boring... Sorry Hope, but the F-20 was very good, exception the pins...
  • 2 1
 4 axis horizontal most likely - same as the F-20.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername:
In the product launch video, he's saying its a 5axis. Smile
  • 2 0
 @Hamburgi: You are right he does say that in the video, but.....

the video shows them being manufactured on a 4 axis horizontal for the first op and then what looks like a 3 axis brother speedio for the second op.

I cant see why its a 5 axis part.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername:

Okey thx a lot! Smile
  • 1 0
 The stepped leading edge and the apparent texture elsewhere make it unlikely that even if they did use a 5 axis machine, they didn't use the tilting option. If one would use a 5 axis machine, I wonder if it would be helpful to tilt the pins inwards to perpendicular to the concave. I can imagine that would lock the foot even better without making the pedals any more scary.
  • 2 0
 T-Mac - the real concaved body pedal.
  • 1 0
 Much as I love Hope products, these are not as pretty as and poorly priced against a pair of Penthouse Mk5!
  • 1 0
 strange to not see them make a green pedal. When I think Hope I think green. strange...
  • 2 0
 Tenet > *. Incredible pedals.
  • 1 0
 why are pedals so thick? so far I have an awesome experience with one-ups will not consider switching to
  • 1 0
 I better go snatch up some more F20s. I don't like changing pedals I know I like. F20s are GREAT!
  • 1 0
 "The pins are reverse-loaded,"

Only ~2/3rds of the pins are reverse loaded...
  • 1 0
 do people even ride clips anymore for anything but racing? i dont really see a point
  • 1 0
 Those 4 grub pins like the DMR Vault has are rubbish in terms of grip. I don't get the point of using them
  • 2 1
 PD-MX30 DX or more of a Vault? (At least it doesn't look like a Session.)
  • 1 0
 I feel a pedal upgrade from my f20s
  • 3 1
 18mm thick ...oomph
  • 1 0
 "a more side-specific shape"

What does that even mean?
  • 1 0
 Will they be releasing a lower cost F16 or F53 version?
  • 1 0
 18 mm thick ? I'll pass. I've no doubt they're well made though.
  • 2 0
 How do you guys get 18 thick? Article says 14 at axle 17 edge.
  • 1 0
 @DirkMcClerkin: oops, meant 17mm..
  • 1 0
 Waiting for a hope carbon flat pedal
  • 1 0
 £145 and they are still not Vaults!
Which are significantly cheaper.







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