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Review: GasGas ECC 6 - More Speed Than You Need?

May 25, 2024 at 10:07
by Dario DiGiulio  

GasGas isn't a name we're used to seeing in the mountain bike world, though they have plenty of recognition when it comes to the motorized end of the spectrum. Bridging those two world is the ECC, their full-power long-travel beast of an eMTB. With 160mm of frame travel and a 170mm fork, it's unabashedly big, both visually and in presence on trail. Where some eMTBs are built to be as close to the analog bike experience as possible - biasing towards maneuverability and agility - the ECC is built to go as fast as possible, plain and simple.

ECC 6 Details

• 29" wheels
• Carbon frame
• 160mm frame travel, 170mm fork
• 64° head angle
• 450, 475, 500mm reach
• 461mm chainstays
• 90 Nm motor, 630 Wh battery
• Actual weight: 54.7 lb / 24.8 kg
• Price: $10,999 USD
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bigquotesThe GasGas ECC is a tremendously fast bike in the right situation, but you'll have to work extra hard in steep and technical terrain to make up for that extra speed.Dario DiGiulio




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Frame Details

The ECC is fairly simple when it comes to frame details, which is certainly welcomed considering the inherent complexity e-bikes bring to the table. Cables are internally routed, but can be helped along through the frame by removing the battery. Luckily that's an easy process, requiring no key - just the quick turn of a 5mm and a quick release mechanism.

SRAM's Powertrain packaging is clean and minimalistic, with all controls carried out by the AXS pods on the left and right sides of the bars. Through a combination of short and long presses, you can get the system to toggle through modes, change gears, actuate the dropper, and toggle Autoshift mode. The screen mounted atop the top tube lets you know all the pertinent details, and displays battery percentage as you chug through it.

The full-carbon frame has one trick up its sleeve, in the form of a moto-esque plastics kit. Certainly an unusual sight in the mountain bike world, but perfectly normal for moto, the plastics don't really do anything for the bike's performance, but they might help prevent surface damage in the event of a hard crash. Luckily, they are removable, just popping in and out of the embedded mounts in the frame. GasGas even provides some rubber plugs should you eschew the plastic flair. I ended up riding without the kit, because it had a tendency to rattle against the cables on the descents.

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Frame even comes with plastics.

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They are removable.
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Lots of little phrases hidden around the bike's paint job.

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Geometry & Sizing

The geometry of the ECC is a unique mix of extreme and more normal figures, with a couple outliers that seem to define the ride characteristics. The 64° head angle is far from unusual, and reach numbers are well within norms as well - 450mm, 475mm, and 500mm (tested) fill out the size range. The seat tube angle is listed as 75°, but after some measurements of the bike on test, it was clear that the listed figure was the actual seat angle, with the effective seat angle sitting closer to 79°. Steep by any standard, but comfortable and appropriate-feeling for the bike.

The more extreme elements are in the rear center length and the stack heights, with 461mm, 465mm, and 469mm chainstay lengths on the three sizes, respectively. Stack heights are very tall, hitting 649mm, 663mm, and 676mm with a 170mm fork installed. Additionally, the 31.5mm bottom bracket drop means you're really set inside the bike, with a very upright body position coming naturally.

All of this makes for a bike with a huge footprint, both in wheelbase and in general fit. The less extreme head angle helps reel things in a bit, but ultimately there's quite a bit of bike to manage, depending on what size you opt for.

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Suspension Design
The ECC utilizes a pretty typical Horst link suspension layout, allowing Kiska (the design firm behind the bike) to control a few key variables to land on the ride characteristics they wanted.

The bike implements a 205x65mm coil shock with a trunnion mount to provide the damping.

Leverage Ratio
Leverage ratio.
Magnified Axle Path
Axle path.

The leverage rate of the ECC is fairly neutral, with about 20% progression through the shock's stroke. This leads to an even and predictable feeling rear end, without any erratic movements at the top of the stroke or sudden ramps as you approach bottom out. The damper tune on the DVO coil shock is quite light, providing an active feel over chattery terrain.

The anti-squat figures are quite high at the start of travel, but fall rapidly to low values as the suspension compresses, with the bike sitting around 115% at sag. Anti-rise is pretty even between 46% and 50%, meaning braking characteristics should be consistent through travel and maintain ride height without diving or extending too aggressively.

Anti Squat
Anti-squat.
Anti Rise
Anti-rise.

The DVO suspension on the GasGas comes with a slight twist, in the form of some damping technologies brought into the fold by WP. Another common name in the moto world, WP has a long history in the suspension game, but hasn't been present in the pedal-powered side of things for some time. Their addition to the DVO package comes in the form of their Cone Valve technology, which they claim helps keep the ride height high without sacrificing small bump support. In simple terms, it's a blow-off in the high speed circuit that can be tuned to change the feedback and support you experience in the fork and shock.



Specifications
Release Date 2023
Price $10999
Travel 160mm
Rear Shock DVO JadeX CV Coil, Coil, 205x65 mm
Fork DVO Onyx D1CV OTT, Air, 170 mm, tapered
Headset Acros AZX-579 ZS56/ZS56
Cassette SRAM XO AXS T-Type
Crankarms SRAM XO AXS T-Type
Chainguide Direct Mount
Bottom Bracket SRAM DUB
Pedals GasGas Aluminum
Rear Derailleur SRAM XO AXS T-Type
Chain SRAM XO AXS T-Type
Front Derailleur N/A
Shifter Pods SRAM AXS Pod Ultimate
Handlebar NEWMEN Advanced 318.25, 800 mm, Rise: 25 mm
Stem NEWMEN Evolution 318.4, Ahead
Grips GASGAS MTB, Lock-on grips
Brakes SRAM Code RSC
Wheelset NEWMEN Evolution SL E.G. 30
Hubs NEWMEN Evolution
Spokes NEWMEN
Rim NEWMEN
Tires Maxxis Assegai MaxxGrip EXO+, Maxxis DHRII MaxxTerra DD
Seat Selle Royal Terra Ridon X5
Seatpost RockShox Reverb AXS





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Test Bike Setup

Setup was quite easy on the ECC 6, with enough familiar components to allow me to focus on the newer elements. The primary focus ended up being the DVO Onyx fork with that WP cone valve and DVO's OTT (off the top) coil negative spring. I played with these settings, bracketing to my eventual Goldilocks setup, which was around 90psi and 11 turns (from full-open) of OTT. This is close to the high end of the adjustment range on the fork, so I'd be a bit worried about how a heavier rider would get along with the available range of DVO's system.

Finding an OTT setting that works for you requires all air to be released from the fork before changing the coil preload, so bracketing these settings is ultimately a tedious and time consuming job. The shock was an easier procedure, as choosing the right coil weight to achieve sag and dialing in compression settings was a simple task.


Dario DiGiulio
Dario DiGiulio
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Height: 6'3" / 191cm
Inseam: 34" / 86cm
Weight: 185 lbs / 83.9 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: His Touch Carpet & Upholstery Cleaning
Instagram: @danger_dario

The only component I changed out during the majority of testing was the handlebar, as the stock Newmen bar's 8° up 8° back sweep geometry never felt right to me. I installed a familiar bar and it felt like home. Towards the end of testing, I swapped the stock Code RSC brakes for some Maven Bronzes, just to see how SRAM's budget big brakes stacked up. More on that at a later date.


Testing Info

High speed is the name of the game on the ECC, so I'd recommend finding an area that has a steady supply of fast tracks. Trails without too extreme a grade seem to highlight the bikes strengths the best, and Prevost has those in spades. Add to that a friendly road to access the drop-ins, and you've got yourself a great day out. I think this is well within the bike's battery range, though you may want to be economical with your Rally/Range split if you're on the heavier end of the rider spectrum.

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Climbing

Joking aside about how easy the climbing on this eMTB was, the ECC really is a comfortable climber. As we'll get to more in the descending ride impressions, the suspension character of the bike really likes to sit in and chug through rougher terrain, and that comes through on the climbs provided you're moving fast enough.

The geometry is roomy and puts you in a very upright position, thanks to the low bottom bracket and very high stack height. The seat tube angle is steep enough, but it doesn't completely help the bike feel more agile on steeper and trickier climbs. In those scenarios, I found it more comfortable to drop the saddle a bit and attack the climbs standing up, taking advantage of the massive rear center to keep weight over the front. You have to plan your lines carefully, as it takes a bit more body English to swing the bike through tight turns.

Longer traversing pedals are comfortable and balanced feeling with plenty of traction shared between the wheels and quick enough handling to not feel overly sluggish.

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Descending

This feels like a big bike. Not just in travel numbers, but in pure footprint on trail. The rear wheel is way out behind you, and the front center has quite a presence as well. In conjunction, they make for a wheelbase that can be a bit tricky to navigate in tighter terrain, but really rewards you when you can open it up in faster sections. I actually struggled to find trails fast enough to make the bike feel nervous here in Bellingham, as the stretch limo wheelbase really carries speed with zeal.

On the other hand, I had an easy time finding terrain too steep for this bike, as that large footprint starts to bite a bit when things get slower and more vertical. The sensation boils down to the rear wheel being so far behind you that it's still hung up on obstacles you thought you passed a while back, making tight and feature-heavy trails a bit more of a handful. This effect made the ECC quite physical to ride on my typical eMTB test laps, where steep climbs beget even steeper descents, where the brakes get cooked and suspension support gets put to the test.

I found the DVO fork a bit lacking in the support department, preferring to ride deeper in travel once you broke through the initial portion of the travel. That firm top-end made the fork feel a bit insensitive over small chattery terrain, unless you really laid into it and kept it low in travel. When done right, it did perform very nicely in chunky higher speed terrain, where the damping kept you controlled in the middle of the stroke. It's hard to say whether that harsher top end is due to the OTT or the Cone Valve blow-off, but playing around with both settings didn't yield drastic differences.

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Jumping the GasGas felt very easy, provided the lips were big and the speeds high. This is not a light bike, and the suspension preferred to sit in and plow rather than pop off smaller side hits and dance over root sections. This bike does best when you just push down through that stuff and let it soak up the bumps. Fast and well-supported turns are a treat on the ECC, where you can really shove your weight into the bike and let it sprawl out to provide traction and plenty of balance between the wheels.

I found the choice to spec 29" wheels front and rear a bit surprising, considering how many long-travel eMTBs are coming with mixed wheels these days. I think that mixed wheel choice is for good reason, as something about the handling characteristics of heavier e-bikes in steep terrain makes the rear tire buzz problem a little more pronounced. I had a few skimmers with the ECC's rear wheel, and ended up erring towards a more aggressive forward-biased position to make up for it.

In addition to being difficult to handle in steep terrain, the extremely long rear center made for one more negative: this bike is damn near impossible to manual. It can be done, but you better be ready to put your back into it.



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GasGas ECC 6
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Canyon Strive:On

How Does It Compare?

Both of these models are eMTBs meant for racing, with aggressive geometry and powerful motors meant to rip up power stages and handle serious descents. To that end, I'd opt for the Canyon, mostly due to the Bosch motor system and a few geometry details that I preferred. The Strive:On has geometry that looks radical, until you compare it to the massive wheelbase and very high cockpit of the GasGas ECC. The ECC is definitely the more stable bike in straight line speed and long corners, but when it comes to more dynamic terrain the Canyon pulls away.

Canyon's frame design allows for either a 625 or 750Wh battery, so you can opt for range or weight bias depending on your use case. The GasGas' 630Wh does the trick, but there were times when I was wanting for more range out of the system. It's hard to overlook the clean packaging and system simplicity of the SRAM Powertrain on the ECC, but the Bosch CX Race motor's more effective power and mode fidelity makes it more usable for me.

I enjoyed the stability of the ECC on certain bits of trail, but found the tradeoffs to be a bit of a setback on the trails I like to ride most. A shorter rear end (albeit still pretty long in the scheme of things) kept handling tighter, and the slacker head angle meant steep tech was easier to manage given the weight of the bike. The higher BB and shorter wheelbase also made the Canyon easier to muscle around up and down the hill.

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Which Model is the Best Value?

Of the three options, my pick here is going to be the lowest pricepoint ECC 4. The motor and battery system are identical across all three, so the heart of the bike remains unchanged and equal. The Mach1 Trucky wheelset with GasGas branded hubs would be my only concern price-wise, but that's only because they're unproven - they might just end up being great.

In truth, I think I'd prefer the suspension package that comes on this cheapest build to the high end option, mostly because the Zeb / SuperDeluxe Coil combo is simple and easy to set up, especially relative to the DVO OTT system present on the other models. I don't really feel much benefit from the OTT or the WP Cone Valve, so I'd err on the side of simplicity in the end.

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Technical Report

DVO x WP Suspension: It's hard to test suspension on e-bikes, because the higher system weight can mask a lot of the weaker points in a fork and shock. In this case, I think the harsh top end of the fork was overcome by the mass of the bike, allowing it to ride deeper in travel so long as you kept weight over the front wheel. Deeper in that stroke, the fork lacked support when trails were very steep, requiring a very stiff setup to keep the front end up. Luckily, the back of the bike felt comfortable riding deeper in travel as well. Though it allowed some significant bottom-outs, the coil shock kept the rear wheel tracking nicely. I'm skeptical of the WP Cone Valve doing much to save things here, as I couldn't find a setup that produced the effects advertised.

Newmen Evolution SL EG Wheelset: I was impressed by these wheels' durability, especially considering their low overall weight. They weren't without damage after months of eMTB abuse, but came away better than I would have guessed. I trued them a couple times, and in the end there was just one flat spot in the rear rim that I wasn't fully able to round out.

SRAM Powertrain: I like the simplicity of the motor/drivetrain/dropper system at play here, but wish it allowed for a little more user control. My complaint mainly comes down to there being only two modes to toggle through, as there are plenty of moments where something between the two would be ideal. Being able to shift while coasting is a great feature, though Autoshift never felt quite right to me.

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Pros

+ Ridiculously fast in the right situations
+ Stable and forgiving at speed
+ Comfortable and compliant


Cons

- Battery life isn't stellar
- Punishing in slow and steep terrain
- Sacrifices precision for comfort



Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe GasGas ECC is a tremendously fast bike in the right situation, but you'll have to work extra hard in steep and technical terrain to make up for that extra speed. The geometry is extreme in some ways, and reasonable in others, making for a package that feels particularly well suited to plowing through rough terrain at a relatively low angle. Overall, an impressive first foray into the bike world from a company steeped in motorsport. Dario DiGiulio






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162 Comments
  • 157 7
 For 11k I'm getting something that is powered by gas gas
  • 13 25
flag PHX77 (Jun 10, 2024 at 10:28) (Below Threshold)
 For $7.5k I’m getting the world‘s greatest EMTB: the Pivot Shuttle LT.
  • 16 1
 They were giving away a free ebike when you purchased a gas gas dirt bike recently.
  • 7 4
 so not an electric motorbike then?
  • 29 0
 They sell an AWESOME supermoto that runs about $12,500. Has 70+ HP, ABS, engine management (rain, sport, race), Brembo brakes, etc, etc.. That's what I buy in that price range.
  • 8 21
flag Mcanical (Jun 10, 2024 at 14:15) (Below Threshold)
 How is this super-generic comment still getting upvotes in 2024?
  • 25 25
 @Compositepro: all ebikes are electric motorbikes people just don't want to admit it
  • 4 1
 @PHX77: having demo'd that bike while trying to ignore its huge price tag, its just anther rushed ebike, especially with shimano's half ass'd motor
  • 8 2
 @29er1: they're not either but they're a lot closer to a MTB than a moto. I know it has a pedal assist motor that's why they're so much fun.
  • 16 1
 @29er1: tell me you’ve never ridden moto without telling me…
  • 5 4
 @Compositepro: Would you like to do 500 miles on a motorcycle you have to constantly pedal to keep moving at 15.5mph and the motor stops working above that?
  • 1 7
flag 29er1 (Jun 11, 2024 at 2:37) (Below Threshold)
 @psullivan65: why are they so much fun? because depending on the setting they take almost no effort
  • 1 1
 @29er1: You never rode motocross !! you would probably find it too brutal
  • 76 12
 I hope pinkbike got paid to review this bike.
  • 6 0
 What size did Dario test? Did I miss it?
  • 2 0
 @Blownoutrides: When discussing the reach, it says the L is 500mm reach and in parentheses it says (tested).
  • 70 21
 Imagine paying $11,000 for an e-bike that is spec'ed with DVO suspension.
  • 9 6
 I have last years model, it’s a sick rig. Came with fox 38 and a float X. For half the price too . I can get 32 miles with 4500’ uphill before she’s about dead.
  • 20 16
 Got on the new Onyx 38 (dual air, not OTT) this year and it blew my last Fox 38 out of the water....Seems some people don't get on with the OTT, but all the reviews of the new SL dual air dampers are stellar...New Zeb is great too, but I'll take DVO, Ohlins, and RS over Fox any day...
  • 23 20
 @Marky771: I'm glad you've had a good experience, but I've ridden three DVO products and they were all beyond garbage. I refuse to believe they are a serious business staffed by serious people who know anything.
  • 4 2
 @Marky771: hey mark, what are you having? I will most definitely have that as well, thank you in advance.
  • 2 1
 @twiggyalienonabike: DVO suspension, obviously
  • 4 1
 @mtbmaniatv: is that normal range? 32 Miles & 4500ft... or metres? doesnt sound very far.
  • 2 1
 @Marky771: DVO sounds very hit or miss. Seems like QC on their bushing sizing isn’t great so you can end up with a really tight/harsh fork that needs resizing out of the box
  • 8 7
 @stravaismyracecourse: whether or not you think their current lineup is better than the other guys, it's a pretty dumbass statement to say the current owner of @DVOSuspension doesn't "know anything". Maybe you're just too hardcore.
  • 4 0
 @twiggyalienonabike: idk what he's having but I went from Fox factory 34 to Manitou Mattoc and then from a 36 factory to a zeb and then to a Mezzer pro and I'll take the Manitou stuff every time -- especially the mattoc over the 34
  • 4 1
 @TannerValhouli: Heard that about their older products having some WC issues but the Onyx 38 and Diamond 36 are all new this year. Check out some reviews out there. A lot of praise so far….Some even say better than Fox (gasp!)
  • 5 3
 @bishopsmike: You're right. I was being unfair and for that I apologize. He clearly knows how to run a business that makes rubbish products and I'm happy to give her/him credit for that.

Wink
  • 2 2
 @ksilvey10: Just built a downcountry with a Manitou fork and so far it feels great! Though some of that could be influenced by the fact that it is a brand new fork that isn't 100 hours past its 20 hour service interval.
  • 3 1
 @covekid: Yes, I too have 3 DVO D1 Diamonds, not the latest version though, and I have to say, I'm never going back to Fox if I can help it. Manitou (just bought a new one for my "kids" bike. Bike no.4) Don't tell my wife?) Most people don't take the time to set the forks up correctly. Too much air, too much OTT, no HSC, too much rebound. Based on my weight, I should have the air maxed out, I run 140-145psi with the OTT on the light side, it feels like a coil and yet, usually don't use the entire travel, 10-15mm unused. I set up a friend's, he was so far away from the proper setup. Maybe people like a quick set and forget.
  • 2 4
 @mtbmaniatv: can do that and a lot more without an ebike. It’s called squats and dead lifts.
  • 2 0
 @hot-beef-sundae: cool reply. I can also do more with a dirt bike. Good chat
  • 2 0
 @stravaismyracecourse: I have the 38 SL and its damn good... id own anther 100%.
I also have DVO coil on my bike and its sick.

For reference, mine came on a build & the fork had bind out of the box but DVO NZ sorted it within 2 days with shipping and it runs so damn good now.
  • 1 0
 @scantregard: More or less yeah, thats the '23 model though. Unsure of the capacity of the new one.
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: dvo NZ builds all his forks from
Scratch not out of the box. Atleast ye used to.
To have a bad fork after that means it really is bad
  • 7 0
 @bigmeatpete420: wow wow don’t bring me
Into this haha

Nah his fork came on a Merida somthing something. And we gave it the aftermarket treatment the way we do for any fork we sell, we don’t really have to with the new Onyx and diamond forks but we do anyway just because we are pedantic dickheads haha
  • 1 0
 @stravaismyracecourse: had mine since last August or September and haven't touched it. it's still going strong but I will service it soon (maybe)
  • 45 0
 ElectricElectric
  • 18 0
 DC/DC
  • 15 0
 @darkstar66: WattWatt...if you is posh!
  • 5 0
 ZapZap
  • 5 4
 BarfBarf
  • 28 0
 buying this to square other riders up in every corner then apologize on instagram after
  • 3 2
 Curious about the percentage of PBers who get this.
  • 2 4
 @ReformedRoadie: Less than 0.01% because the series coverage is great and televised. Too mainstream for PBers.
  • 28 0
 FYI- it’s just a red KTM
  • 4 0
 Personally, I prefer the white KTM. Tho, if KTM motos and bikes are actually separate companies, I am not sure how it works with cross-over between the e-bikes. I don't think there is any WP option with the Husky e-bikes. Don't care enough about ebikes to look into it.
  • 1 0
 @ReformedRoadie: in the Moto world, husky is high end, KTM is middle spec and gas gas is value. Same core bikes though. No idea on e bikes? I don’t want or need one and if I did, it wouldn’t be one of those.
  • 30 10
 Imagine the couch you could buy to eat your potatoes on for $11k
  • 15 23
flag pistol2ne (Jun 10, 2024 at 10:21) (Below Threshold)
 Not everyone that has an e bike is fat. Some people want 3 laps instead of 1 when they have a certain amount of time in their day to ride.
  • 22 4
 This “not a motorcycle” is such a good “bicycle”
  • 15 1
 I have a Gas, Gas Gas but it's two stroke so I always have to have Gas Gas, Gas premixed.
  • 14 3
 I rode one with Flight Attendant suspension and Auto-Shift and I loved it, even if I didn't want to. I didn't like the plastic frame fairings however.
  • 8 0
 I'd be very curious to ride this one, just to know what 469 chain stays feel like. I have a hard time discerning a huge difference between somewhat short and somewhat long chain stays, so this would be really interesting as an outlier. Other than that, it looks like a horrible option to me...
  • 1 1
 Just ride an Orange
  • 7 0
 radiator shrouds on a bike. remember back in the day when you used to put cans on your tires to sound like a dirt bike? well now you have plastics to make the experience even more real!
  • 5 0
 I am waiting for built in speakers and downloadable engine sounds like the ringtone craze of the early 2000s.
  • 10 2
 Is one of the little hidden phrases "You dishonor your family" or maybe "Future healthcare liability aboard"?
  • 23 18
 The pretense of eBikes being anything but crummy motorcycles continues to erode. Plastic fenders, garish graphics, probably best at a motocross park using that motor to boost some doubles. The big "con" is since you have to (barely) tickle the pedals to get electric watts, your feet might be in a less-than-ideal position when you boost one of these.
  • 5 2
 That’s why always shorter cranks are appearing. As you don’t need them to transfer power on an e-bike probably 50mm will do, then you could be sure your feet are not in too wrong a position.
  • 6 1
 @FuzzyL: Eventually they will get to 0 length cranks called footpegs, for best handling and least pedal strikes.
  • 5 0
 Honest question (don't shoot!):

Given I just witnessed someone return a demo with $1500 of rock damage to it (scored stanchion, downtube, seat tube, motor, chain stay AND seat stay), are sacrificial plastics on a mountain bike really a stupid idea, assuming they don't rattle, squeak, interfere etc? I like Ride Wrap as much as the next guy or girl, but in a situation like this, or tomahawking a bike down the trail, it wouldn't have done anything to protect it.

What says the Pinkbike braintrust?
  • 3 0
 The silence is deafening.
  • 2 0
 Is this a real issue bikes need to address?
Maybe not
  • 1 0
 If you have to ask, your bike is too expensive
  • 1 0
 N=1 situation
  • 1 2
 @Code98: I would rephrase that as "is this an issue real bikes need to address?"
  • 6 1
 I tech for a suspension shop. We work on every brand. All I have to say about DVO is that they’re very good guys to deal with and Ronnie pretty awesome. They seem to genuinely care and listen to you. That alone is a great quality for a company to embrace. Every manufacturer has product quirks from time to time and we are lucky to have so many great options out there.
  • 7 1
 The perfect bike for motorbikers that are interested in trying biking, but are worried about how they might look.
  • 2 0
 The starting leverage ratio makes sense for a heavier bike but the overall progression doesn't lend itself well to coil shock does it?

Although I've also ridden bikes with huge progression ratios that a coil would bottom out endlessly with a low sag value.

I think I need to learn more about suspension kinematics. PB community do what you do best, unsolicited expert advice... but its being solicited this time.
  • 2 0
 "PB community do what you do best, unsolicited expert advice... but its being solicited this time."
That explains the lack of response. Better to not give away you actually want advice.
  • 3 0
 @Mac1987: I'll log this one as a phycological experiment. hahahaha
  • 1 0
 Progressive rate coil can get you a little bonus in that department.
  • 6 2
 They had a buy one of our dirt bikes and get this bike for free offer not that long ago. That should tell you everything you need to know about this thing.
  • 1 0
 that was for they're cheaper models.... not the ECC's
  • 4 0
 Can we at least get the Yamaha e bike review so we can see what’s up with all that new KYB suspension they showed?
  • 2 0
 unless there's some magical voodoo out there, weight, power and battery life are linked in the way of, light, cheap strong: pick two.
possible exception being the Orbea Rise - which compromises more than trades...
  • 1 0
 I feel like the third bike this is compared to should be a 450 Ktm dirt bike or something. A lot of us are coming from the perspective of going from bikes to e-bikes, where as this particular company is aiming at dirt bike riders coming to e-bikes. Context and perspective is everything when coming off a 100kg+ bike vs a 14kg mtb
  • 4 0
 Super excited about the dub bottom bracket on this one
  • 3 0
 Still better looking and better spec'd than McLaren's ebike....
  • 2 1
 thank you for not using the "acoustic" bike term at any point. by far best part of this review. "analog" is the lesser of evils.
  • 13 1
 I prefer just using the term ‘bike’.
  • 4 4
 @sino428: Bike vs. (b)moped showdown!!
  • 1 2
 In that weight range, you better enjoy being glued to the ground. A 50+lb machine only feels maneuverable after riding grandpa's XR400 for the weekend.

Shiny boat anchor for $11k. Get one if you:
1. Don't enjoy mtn biking.
2. The neighbor bought a less expensive one.
3. The chrome you added to your lifted H2 hummer is fading faster than the top on your Tiptronic Cabriolet.
4. Don't have back problems.
5. Want to pedal it home when you run out of juice.
6. Are thinking about adding a rear view mirror or two
7. Think you're getting motocross developed suspension.
8. Want to park it next to your cannondale motorcycle
9. Want to park your fire truck while watching riders enjoy the rhythm sections.
10. You just simply need to be "that guy/girl"
  • 15 14
 Moped: a lightweight, low-powered motorbike that can be pedaled

This thing may be too heavy to qualify.
  • 1 0
 So this is what the McLaren should have been fast, stable at speed, sucks in the city, and gets poor gas mileage.
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 ew
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 Yucky
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 @Dogl0rd: Yuck-e*
  • 3 1
 we gotta draw the line somewhere, not too sure about this one
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 How does this SRAM motor compare to others? Havent heard that much about it, but to be honest, I try not to pay attention to e-bikes as much as possible.
  • 4 0
 Sram. It's in there but you have to read the article.
  • 3 1
 When is Harley Davidson going to make a mountain bike? Screaming E-Eagle?
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 They were working on it pretty seriously about 5-10 years ago. Not sure how many models actually were sold, but they definitely had a big program to develop them and put out a lot of PR. It seemed like a funny match to me, but if it gets more people on quiet bikes, and less people on obnoxiously loud hogs with straight pipes, then I'm all for it.
  • 6 0
 They're still working on how to get an ebike to leak oil.
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 Since most of these ebikes are so damn heavy anyway, why not spec a coil fork to match the shock?
  • 1 1
 Saw a group riding last years model of these this past weekend. They did seem to be extremely fast, funny seeing the Gas Gas name on a "bicycle"
  • 1 0
 Read mainly to see what the hype was about with the WP cone valves... I guess they were a bit underwhelming.
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 Eww, hell no. If I'm spending 10k on a bike with a motor, it's gotta have at least 40hp...
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 I am definitely a fan of emtb’s and stoked on my Rocky Mountain, but 11k. Get the fawk out of here with that price tag!
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 Hello, Newman.
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 a new blender
  • 3 2
 Reviewing Ebikes but not even a word from e-EWS?... No entiendoo sorry
  • 3 1
 results from this sunday where Maes won I mean...
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 This just seems like an unpleasant experience unless I'm doing a hill climb...and if I'm doing a hill climb I'll just learn to ride a moto.
  • 2 1
 lol omfg wtf ur bik is saracin
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 U R XC Jey Boy (God not heard these phrases for a while Big Grin )
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 I would feel totally embarrassed and guilty riding an e-bike. I really love the fitness side as much as the technical/skills side of mountain biking and feel they go hand in hand. There is nothing like the feeling of accomplishment of conquering a steep technical climb only to be rewarded with a sweet technical descent or the accomplishment of banging out a long flowy XC ride at speed.
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 So what you're saying is everybody should feel the exact same way as you? Otherwise?
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 What's embarrassing is how some mountain bikers ack towards other mountain bikers for liking something different.
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flag in2falling (Jun 10, 2024 at 15:25) (Below Threshold)
 @imbiker: You really can't call them mountain bikes, they are more like motorized recreational vehicles.
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 @psullivan65: No just sharing what I like about mountain biking and why I don't own a e-bike.
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 how dare people just want to have fun, considering i have analog bikes and an ebike.... FUN FUN FUN, MTB IS ABOUT FUN
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 @imbiker: eBikers aren't mountain bikers. They're riding mopeds.....so they're scooterists.
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 @wyorider: call them whatever you want if it makes you feel better but they're not going anywhere here on PB and on mountain bike trails. Enjoy
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 @psullivan65: even ones where land use agreements explicitly ban motorized vehicles. So these users are jeopardizing trail use just because they don’t want to work as hard…..or drive 1/2 hour to trails that DO clearly allow e-bikes.

I don’t object to e-bikes. I do find the industry and user indifference to legal access to be troubling.
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 @wyorider: kinda sounds like the same arguments against mtb's in the early 90s
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 @wyorider: I want rid of good MTB riders that come an blow up my berms... see how stupid that sounds
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 @in2falling: An electric can opener is still a can opener.
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flag dododuzzi (Jun 11, 2024 at 8:19) (Below Threshold)
 @psullivan65: It;s not a "feeeling". It is that when you ride a motored-bicycle you are not bicycling. We bicycle, we are the engine.
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 @dododuzzi: ok I'm going to go ride my e bicycle ,built by a bicycle company on singletrack bicycle trails and then go to the bicycle shop to pick up a bicycle tire.
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 You would be surprised how physical it is riding an e bike. I can train in my target heart rate zones much easier on my e-bike and find myself attacking climbs with much more vigor. E-bikes are a wonderful tool and addition to regular bicycles
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 @Bryce511: Pure mythology. There is no reason on earth why a massive motor assist should 'help you stay in a target heart rate". I do not know what you are riding but I tried a 90nM Bosh and the assist it provide is just ridiculous. It ain't no bicycle.

And by the way, data are quite clear: people, on or off road, ride less with a motored-biycle, not more.
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 Hard to tell how ridiculous this is getting. Bicycles are called analog (?), and the, one would guess, digital versions cannot even be called motored-bicycles (as they should) because they are getting closer and closer to small motor-crossers: 60 Pounds, 90 nM, plenty apps that let you bypass any power output limits and give you no-pedal assist capability.

And the most ridiculous thing: pinkbike still comments on their climbing capability ... as if one actually had to put any effort going up! Come on, to think that this has anything to do with Mountain Biking is just absurd.
  • 1 0
 $11k? It's almost as expensive as modern mountain bike.
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 Well mountain biking, it was nice knowing you. The E(ntitlement) Bikes are going to dominate like the 4Runners and Tacomas at the trailheads
  • 6 2
 What am I entitled to?
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 @psullivan65: IMO the entitlement comes from EBikers wanting to ride every piece of available singletrack that regular mountain bikers can.
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 @Sycip69er: victimless crime.
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 @psullivan65: That's what entitled people say...
  • 1 0
 Have ecc6 and love it!
  • 1 1
 Sounds like it rides like a dirt bike! Perfect!
  • 1 1
 *takes plastic moto fairings off*
It's totally not a motorbike bro!
  • 10 13
 I'm probably buying an e bike soon, hopefully the Strive ON. The pinkbike hate on ebikes is comical. I want more laps at my local death march climbs.
  • 8 11
 T-R-A-I-N-I-N-G
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 @lenniDK: Yeah, it's that I'm fat and out of shape I want an e bike.
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 I don't have an e bike, nor do I want one...yet. I can feel my lizard brain react when I see one, but the fact is that every wheel can be improved by applying more power to it. e bikes are going to revolutionize the sport and bring more people in.

Everyone likes to draw arbitrary lines on the purity of cycling, and cast shame on those that don't adhere to their personal standard.

Have you ever talked to urban fixie riders. "you gotta feeeeeel every crack in the road dude" They won't hear about any of this suspension nonsense. To them we look like idiots, seeking out rough terrain, only to have 160 mm of travel to soak it up.

The only bad bike, is a bike in a garage.

it's tribalsim
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 @pistol2ne: laziness is the new black
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 @Jer3myF: It was sarcasm you dolt. When I get my ebike, I'll have an enduro non e bike, xc/downcountry and gravel bike. I ride all 3 (soon to be 4) regularly. Calling me lazy because I only have 2 hours away from the kid to ride and want to get multiple laps in falls on deaf ears. I think people are butthurt e bike owners are getting more laps.
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 @Jer3myF: so are you saying that everyone that rides an emtb is lazy?
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 Get one of the other Gasgas products, you will get even more laps in!
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 You only have so many hours to ride-in 2 years you'll be in waaay worse shape riding an eeb unless you go out of your way to train.
  • 1 1
 @FuzzyL: I have a yz 250, but thanks for the idea, my dad loves his 350 gas gas.
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 @Rexuis-Twin: but really ... arbitrary lines? A bicycle is human powered. A motored-bicycle got an engine. That's about sums it up. There no tribalism. And using an engine is no revolution. People have been using motored-bicycles for close to two centuries.
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 @Rexuis-Twin: im still trying to figure out how more people out on bikes is good? Genuinely confused, in the last 10 years trails have become busy lots full etc. i dont care about e bikes or bikes or emotos for that matter. We need bikes to stay in garages and people get back to focusing on x fit and golds gym. The outdoors is a finite reaource
  • 2 1
 @axelsand5: I keep being told more people getting into the sport will mean more trail access and cheaper bikes. All I've seen is busier lots, more blown out and dumbed down trails, and more expensive bikes.
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 @wyorider: you guys do realize it takes a lot of work to ride fast downhill, right? I suppose riding downhill laps is lazy too?
  • 3 3
 Beepbeep honkhonk gasgas
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 An ebike article certainly brings out the poors. Get back to work, them burgers aren't going to flip themselves.
  • 2 3
 If you stopped eating burgers you might actually be able to ride a mountain bike rather than pretending to participate in the sport on your moped.
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 @cbrandt: ignorant much?
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 The dumbest bike name ever! Straight out of China!
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