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Specialized Releases New P.Series Bikes

Jul 5, 2023 at 23:42
by Dario DiGiulio  
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No longer an only child, Specialized's P3 now has three new siblings to keep it company in the lineup. The range now includes a wide spectrum of alloy-framed hardtail bikes, meant to cater to new riders and crusty dirt jumpers alike.

There are some global changes that have been made to the series that are worth noting. Specialized designed Boost-spaced sliding rear dropouts that allow for 15mm of horizontal adjustment and can be set up with a geared or singlespeed configuration. Tire spec on all P.Series bikes will be the Specialized Kicker, which is meant to span the needs of street, dirt, and skatepark riding. All of the new bikes use a 30.9 seatpost, and are routed for an internal dropper, should you want to make your jump bike a little more pedal-friendly. Every frame in the lineup has two color options, and the P3 and P4 can be purchased frame-only.

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P1
$650 USD / €800
The P1 is a 20" kids bike focused on progression and durability. The touchpoints have been modified to fit the littler ones, with 19mm OD handlebars, skinny grips, and low standover height. The geometry is corrected for an 80mm fork, should the young shredder require more damping.



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P2
$1250 USD / €1250
With 24" wheels and a pretty open-ended geometry, the P2 could be either the next size up for a growing kid, or the ideal smaller-wheeled park and DJ bike for a full-grown adult. The bike comes with a 100mm Manitou J-Unit fork, which should take the edge off any harsh landings.



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P3
$2000 USD / €1700
$700 USD / €900 frame only
The original member of the lineup keeps on trucking, with the P3 remaining relatively unchanged. The reach and stack have gotten a bit smaller, to better accommodate the sizing sweep of the new series, and the head angle has gotten a degree slacker, landing at 68.5°. Complete builds come with a Marzocchi Bomber DJ, which I've been impressed by in my experience with it. The P3 frame can also fit a 27.5" wheel, making the platform even more adaptable for those looking to experiment with their dirt jump setup.



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P4
$2100 USD / €1700
$700 USD / €900 frame only
Speaking of 27.5" dirt jump bikes, the P4 comes with larger wheels front and back. The frame geometry isn't that far off from hardtails from about 10 years ago, but the bike is still very much focused on jumping and pumping, not necessarily getting out and going for a long pedal. The logic behind the larger frame is simple; most people will be hopping on their dirt jumper as an accessory to their main trail bike, so the geometry should be larger to better bridge the gap between the two. The Bomber fork should help that feel remain consistent, as long as the fast rolling tires and little brakes don't throw you off.



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For more info on the P.Series bikes, head over to Specialized's website to learn more.



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226 Comments
  • 126 2
 I got my hopes up for a new P.slope

Can anyone explain to me why all dirt jumpers aren’t $1200?
  • 8 0
 I was hoping that too.
  • 67 3
 We can only hope they bring the P Slope back. Such a sick bike. Idk what the Specialized guys where smoking when they came up with the 27.5 DJ. Could have been a new P Slope instead
  • 65 2
 These are freaking expensive, given how simple they should be. Really disappointed.
  • 127 15
 @WestC0astWanderer: they are going after the 5 investment property owner kook who thinks he needs a new "pump track" bike to ride the recently installed velo-solutions asphalt abortion that was built between his timeshare and the starbucks down the street. 27.5 wheels but he doesn't understand why the pumptrack bike didn't come with 29 because the pinkbike people said that was the best when they ride their squamish enduro test route
  • 35 13
 It's like when a fancy restaurant charges 25 bucks for a burger. Specialized has a big nut. Too many engineers, primadonna industrial designers, over-glorified marketing, 1k an hour lawyers suing anything that moves, Synard's alimony payments. Gotta feed the monkey. Blends in more with fancy 12k road bikes but looks pretty out of place on a dirt jumper.
  • 12 24
flag hamncheez (Jul 6, 2023 at 9:35) (Below Threshold)
 27.5 wheels are easier to source. Hard to find 26" OEM, plus you can just run 26" if you want to.
  • 39 5
 @hamncheez: pretty f*ckin easy considering every other company with a dj has 26" wheels. It's to cater to the sweater vest wearing crowd.
  • 6 0
 @ratedgg13: Agreed. Looks like my little one will be getting another Woom...they aren't cheap either, but they are compared to this.
  • 42 12
 How is there yet again another slew of PB comments complaining about the cost of bikes and not considering inflation? Has nobody here looked at the CPI inflation calculator? A P3 was like 1600 when I was in high school in 2008... equals 2300 now. Not to mention the components are about 3x as nice.
  • 21 0
 @quillankr: Other companies are selling complete, quality hardtails with droppers and 1x12 drivetrains for less. A simple DJ frame with a durable wheelset and mid-level fork shouldn't run more than $1500, especially from a brand with as much market share as Specialized. The Status 140/160 overstock is still selling for $2250 new.
  • 8 1
 Because Trek doesn't have a #bmxbackground
  • 2 1
 @duro1: and a lot of the people that complain about this exact thing and Specialized in general, go to shops and say "sorry, I just couldn't pass up the deal" instead of supporting them.
  • 10 11
 @quillankr: Using your rationsle why don't you take in to account mass produced frames and components are cheaper not than they ever were in 2008.........its a Dj hardly cutting edge 2023 tech bro. Yes they are charging too much and yes people will be pissed about it. Go f*ck your inflation justification......
  • 20 4
 @darkstar66: Simply wrong. Both wages and materials are higher now than in 2008, there essentially is nothing in the world that is cheaper now compared to 2008. Inflation is real, raw material cost increases are real, although mostly too small wage increases are also real. Is there a premium for an S on the headtube, yes. A DJ is a margin product not a volume product so they've costed them to meet their targets. Don't like it, buy something else.
  • 4 2
 @quillankr: because people did this cool thing called look at the competition rather than immediately say “inflation.”
  • 7 7
 @misterkslays: dude most wages haven’t increased unless you work for the government. Also inflation is out of control and not progressing as it should normally. The actual fact is that inflation has increased tremendously in last couple years in comparison to most wage increases, but you know whatever, go on defending ridiculous prices cause that benefits everyone. You are right though, nobody is being forced to buy it, but at least if people comment about it there’s a possibility the companies might read it and realize that they’re out to lunch on their prices.
  • 15 3
 Damn. A lot of angry replies here about everything. Some of y’all could use a good dose of chill.
  • 8 1
 Welxome to the comments section where we consider murder over the smallest infractions
  • 4 0
 @ratedgg13: Agreed! The price for what you get with this bike is stupid.
  • 2 0
 @quillankr: I bought a brand new P3 in 2014 for $1400 Canadian.. something wrong with that LBS if they were charging 1600 in ‘08
  • 2 0
 @nickfranko: Then just keep looking at the competition... Not trying to argue that the P3 was trying to be a bargain bike. Easy to say there is cheaper shit out there, but that doesn't mean it's competition because its a bike with the same amount of travel.
  • 5 0
 @ratedgg13: 2 grand for a single speed alu DJ bike really is pretty crazy.
  • 2 0
 @quillankr: this guy gets it, if you look at say a DMR rhythm here In the UK this bike is the exact same cost and has better brakes and fork. Not to mention this bike will be sold by bike shops who you can take it back to when you break it, and you get lifetime warranty on the frame. My last DJ I bought in 2008 and it’s still going today so it’s not like you’re gonna have to change it anytime soon.
  • 1 0
 @TurboDonuts: quantity
  • 6 2
 @laerz: read what I typed again and try to actually comprehend. Wages have absolutely increased since 2008, I clearly stated they have increased too little relative to inflation from all the free money governments handed out.

Wages stats here if you need some help on what has actually happened:
fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES0500000003
Jan 2008 avg hourly earnings = 21.30
Jan 2023 avg hourly earnings = 33.02
% difference = 55% increase in wages in the period
  • 4 0
 Who pays retail for Specialized? Give it a minute and they’ll be 30%-40% off.
  • 2 2
 @misterkslays: Sooooo the competition who make, arguably the same bike geo wise, with better spec and cheaper. Simply wrong is it??? Ah no of course they have access to the pre inflation time machine obviously
  • 1 0
 @quillankr: What are you trying to argue?
  • 1 0
 @misterkslays: to be honest, there are lots of small details worked out on every model release of the specialized P3 that are constantly being optimized. Plus it is about 30 percent less than what i spent on my steel dj with the same fork, and i wouldn't have to assemble the specialized... suffice it to say, if I break enough components, the complete P3 justifies itself on cost alone
  • 1 0
 @misterkslays: ok so what’s your point you admit inflation is real and that wages haven’t increased, which is exactly what I said bro, you try to comprehend. My actual point is that not every one is down with the price increases and that it’s ok to voice that opinion on here rather than just saying “if you don’t like it don’t buy it” or “the prices are good because inflation”
  • 1 0
 @DarrellW: Sorry I can only up vote you once. I feel I should be entitled to one vote for every letter in MONGOOSE...
  • 2 0
 @laerz: government jobs in the DOD and other agencies have gone up by 4% in Jan 2023. Inflation was holding over 6% for over a year. In the US, inflation is still above 5%. Government workers are not making more money. Politians and their corporate buddies on the other hand, absolutely.
  • 1 0
 @luckynugget: savage !
  • 2 0
 @laerz and @darkstar66: the point is, EVERYTHING is more expensive today than it was 1, 2, or 12 years ago. Wages have increase for everyone but the cost of goods has out paced that for lots of people. You're a fool if you expect companies to release new products without cost adjustments based on market factors. Can you buy a comparable bike for less? Yes. You can do that for every bike in the world. Whining about Specialized charging X amount for a product is nonsense, the big S has never been a bargain brand, this is par for their course.
  • 1 0
 @misterkslays: OK let's try this a little differently, say a petrol moped in the UK, you can buy one of these for less than 2k. Even though this is pretty much enty level it still has WAY more tech, design and manufacturing cost than a f*cking Dj. Your an absolute retard to suggest inflation, manufacturing costs blah blah blah is the reason any bike manufacturer charge anymore than £600. They are just profiteering and there's a long line of chumps queuing up to pay. They are just as much to blame......
  • 1 0
 @darkstar66: you mean a company is trying to make money?! How dare those devils! I can't believe they are not just giving their products away at cost or trying to scrape by on 5% margin. Please link to the petrol moped you're buying for 2k. Let's compare the companies apples to apples, although I'm sure it will be apples to oranges. Is the moped company engineering components, heavily marketing them, and supporting a dealer network? Or do they happen to be buying catalog items from a SE Asia supplier which requires zero work short of placing a container order, receiving container, rolling the mopeds out in front of the store, and then target selling to a lower market demographic on a volume strategy not a margin strategy. The same business model being used by all the junk E-bikes swarming through neighborhoods, campgrounds, and beaches in the last 2-3 years. That moped business model is the opposite of the big S. I hope your commune is functioning well at the moment where everyone just gets stuff for nothing more than it costs to make.
  • 1 0
 @misterkslays: you have Google, sounds like you need to do your own research bro......it too less than 10 seconds I'm sure you'll manage to find a wealth of likely candidates. But here's a real world price check. This year's RM altitude C70 list price 6.5k to the dealer just over 4k. Pretty nice meaty margin there. As for the poor companies making profit how dare they comment. That's about as naive as you can get.....or that's all you have to bring to the table...
  • 2 0
 @darkstar66: I've supplied considerably more facts than you on why prices are up. Just continue on being angry because you think something is too expensive. We can use the RM example if you don't want to use what you originally picked. I'm confused if you're mad at the dealer or the manufacturer. If you're mad at the the dealer because you think 38% margin is egregious for a middle to high end consumer good then you simply don't have any experience developing and selling luxury consumer goods which is what a mountain bike is. That 38% is if, and a big if, the dealer is actually selling at MSRP. It is pretty standard to be operating in the 30-45% margin range. Less than that and you are a volume commodity, your moped example. Higher, and you are a brand that has very powerful brand recognition and likely some built in exclusivity. If you're mad at RM they are probably in the 28-35% margin range for a bike landed to their warehouse to sell assuming $2800 COGs on the bike and selling to dealer at $4000. I'll happily review what you can provide to show me that bikes should be getting cheaper based on decreasing labor costs, decreasing materials costs, production efficiencies, etc. Overstock discounts don't count, that was poor planning by people and computers doing ordering thinking the free money train was going to keep rolling. What margin percentage would make you feel all warm and fuzzy?
  • 2 1
 @misterkslays: I don't think bikes should be getting cheaper, they shouldn't have got as stupidly inflated as they are. But that's cool that your happy with it. RM have increased their price of the afore-mentioned C70 altitude by 2k in 2 years. If you can explain that one away I'll happily read what you have on a nice fat shit break. But just a hint, it may have something to do with the new ceo. People have a natural attraction to expensive things regardless of weather they are worth it. Ask the company Paramo employed to carry out their market research.
www.motogb.co.uk/model/2023-mgb-r8-125cc-899
www.speedwaymotorcycles.co.uk/scooters/scooter/mgb-r8-125cc-white
www.whateverwheels.co.uk/m3b0s353p13236/LEXMOTO-ZSB-125-E5-2023

Like I said not exactly top of the branded but it more than proves my point.

bikebiz.com/canadian-mtb-manufacturer-rocky-mountain-appoints-katy-bond-as-ceo

For record growth see profiteering.
  • 1 1
 @darkstar66:

Scooters are all exactly what I thought, mediocre catalog bikes from Asia with no engineering or marketing required.

Over the past 2 years containers from SE Asia cost $10,000 or more, a whopping 300% or greater increase compared to the normal $2500. Aluminum also increased and peaked about 92% higher than historical average. Container prices have more or less returned to normal as of today. However, Aluminum and all other raw materials continue to be higher than historical averages from the past 10 years. And, as I've stated multiple times now labor costs are also higher.

Sources below, if you would be interested in some facts while you shit:
www.statista.com/statistics/1250636/global-container-freight-index

tradingeconomics.com/commodity/aluminum

Again I'll ask, what sort of margin makes you feel warm and fuzzy? Let's take that number and see if a successful business could actually be run off it.

Or do you just want to run an ESG/DEI focused company that is happy to take losses while pretending you're making the world a better place all while selling a product that no one actual needs?

Are companies making a few extra points now, yes. Are they gouging people, no. In summation, if you think it's a rip off or can find a better deal do so. You're not going to change the the industry's costing strategy or margin targets on a low volume product they produce to fill out their product catalog.
  • 1 1
 @misterkslays: Yup no surprises I did say they were mediocre. And there's still more materials, design, build cost, labour, transportation fees gone in to one of those Mopeds than a Specialized P3. Which costs roughly the same. Let's not forget the underlying tech, bar some laser welding, on that bike is literally a hundred years old. 2k and your OK with that? Please leave it out with the warm and fuzzy bro......your not my type, I don't live in a commune, I'm not an anarchist I'm just not retarded enough to eat the advertising bullshit you've been feasting on.
  • 1 1
 @darkstar66: They're catalog junk, no different than buying a China direct frame. Copied from something years ago and penny pinched to oblivion. I'm sure the quality, user experience, and product support is excellent though... You're talking in circles and won't commit to what you think a bike company should be able to make on it's products. I'm feasting on nothing but direct experience engineering, manufacturing, and selling products and the effects of everything I've already highlighted on operating a successful business prior to, thru, and after the global chaos of the past 3 years.

Remember you are the one that stated "why don't you take in to account mass produced frames and components are cheaper not than they ever were in 2008"

You unsurprisingly are struggling to provide any facts to back that up.
  • 2 0
 @misterkslays: Yup sure. Of course your totally right. Nothing I've stated is valid you win bro
  • 1 0
 Also just released: $1299 complete bike - Privateer DJ101
www.pinkbike.com/news/privateer-releases-the-dj101.html
  • 62 2
 No 29er p5?
  • 31 1
 Go buy an SE and run into a car
  • 1 1
 Sold my 26" P1 because I wasn't riding it very much compared to the other bikes. Now I DJ on a Pedalhead with a stiff 150, and found its plenty nimble enough. Also can rally some trails & hit the jump park after in the same ride.
  • 1 0
 Next year?
  • 45 7
 I understand the hate for the th P. 4, but they're really on to something for the n+1 causal jumper. Especially with a dropper... That's a great 'extra' bike to hit trails, roam the neighborhood with the kids, occasional DJ or park adventure.
  • 21 0
 A p2 with a long seatpost, 2 brakes, and a hacked 10 speed drivetrain was my introduction to mountain biking and will always hold a place in my heart.
  • 16 4
 I disagree. It just be mediocre all around.
  • 4 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: or its a really fun way to do all those things. I ride shuttle trails on mine all the time just because it is different, which is what makes it fun. If someone has the money for it, don't fault them for wanting to have a good time. not everything is a race.
  • 14 0
 @adrennan: I didn't fault anyone and they can spend their money as they please, but the fact remains that a proper DJ bike is not a good trail bike. (compact size, lots of standover, semi-slick tires, no front brake, stiff fork, etc... Note what you did to your p2 to make it a trail bike.) Maybe it works better in some locations, but there would be nothing fun about riding a bike like that on my local trails without significant changes. I guess if someone just dabbles at the local pump track now and then and the bike isn't too small, having it set up as more of a trail bike is fine. But again I'm talking about a proper DJ bike for jumps, skate parks, etc. It just doesn't cross over that easily. Anyway, I'm sure they aimed the 27.5 bike at the Dad who is usually going to cruise around the neighborhood and if I had an extra 2k I'd love to cruise around the neighborhood on that thing!
  • 4 0
 I mean, I guess. But I'd rather come at it from the other end if you're a "casual jumper."

My Chameleon truly does everything I need it to do on trail (including carrying my kid on his shotgun seat), it's been a good bike packing bike, a commuter, and when I sold my Transition PBJ I really didn't notice a huge loss in regards to my occasional DJ/Pumptrack laps. Not to mention...you get all of that for not much more than the cost of the P4. To build your P4 into the same thing as a Chameleon, you're likely coming up on north of $3,000 between dropper, drivetrain, and original purchase price.
  • 4 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: exactly. I’m the dad who still sends the DJ, but who wants something more comfortable while my 3 and 5 year old drag me around the bike park all day, as well as the neighborhood. Still would prefer 1200 for it though.
  • 2 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: we have quite a few flow trails you can shuttle here which definitely makes the DJ make more sense, but i even enjoy a day or two a season at deer valley on it just because i find them really fun, and i pass plenty of people while riding it. on my current dj i run 2 brakes. besides that everything else that makes it a DJ is why i love it for those trails. I have always preferred as much standover as possible and don't mind the speedy tires (admittedly maxxis ikons at least have some traction). i back off compression on my fork slightly if i am riding trail compared to smooth parks but that's very easy.
  • 1 0
 @rockandride6: Have a DJ and a Specialized Fuse which is similar to your Chameleon. I agree that the Chameleon/Fuse w/ it's really short chainstay does great for what it is, but still not the same as a dedicated jump bike. I will ride it to a local jump spot for a few laps on the way to a trail system for a ride.

If I didn't already have those two, I could definitely see the reason for the P4. Also if you look at the geo, it's still smaller than an XL Transition PBJ and only a little bigger than a size Large. I've ridden the size L PBJ and it felt pretty good.
  • 2 0
 Being able to pedal to the dirt jumps/pump track instead of driving would be pretty neat. But it is expensive.
  • 2 5
 You can go to a dirt jump park on any bike. That bike makes zero sense. You’d be better off using your current hardtail as a DJ than buy a DJ’ish bike for everything else.
  • 3 0
 @nickfranko: right now I’m using a 170mm enduro bike, so yeah I think that bike or any DJ would be better
  • 2 0
 @nickfranko: what I really want is a slopestyle bike though. Not to go huge, just to help the knees when I overshoot or case something…
  • 5 0
 I think it’s a sick bike . It Definitely makes the bridge between bikes like the fuse / chameleon and 100% dedicated DJ bikes. I’m 33. 6’ and am about 178lbs when I ride my friends large 26” specialized P.3 from 2020 they feel too small honestly now that I’m older and not 15 so I’m not crazy into sending huge dirt jump or anything special. I’d buy the P.4 if I didn’t just buy a Enduro from specialized. $$2500 Canadian is a bit much. I don’t know maybe if it didn’t have full specialized parts it would be considerable to me . If it was decked out with Chromag parts and Stan’s rims I’d pay $2500 today
  • 2 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: I can see the logic in it, say you built it with a rear mech as a 4X bike or something for pumpy jumpy bike parks, you could whack a dropper on there and ride back up or ride to the trails. Not my cup of tea but I see what they are going for.
  • 2 0
 It sounds like you want a Ragley Marley that comes with gears, a dropper, a 130 Marz Z2, and a lot of fun for much less money.

What is the point of a "casual jumper" when great 27.5 trail hardtail options are everywhere, you can even use a shorter fork for a steeper, more dirt-jumpy feel on the front end.
  • 2 0
 @rockandride6: I agree it makes way more sense over a P4. I have a size small 2017 chameleon (27.5) as a second bike (I'm 6ft tall lol) and it works great for jumps and random hardtail trail hooligan stuff. Obviously not the bike to choose if you are a DJ-only person or long day on the trail person. I think a lot of people won't get it and I also think people look at bike size like they are some sort of roadie. I can rip around streets on a 20" bmx at my age, why can I not ride a small mtb right? to each their own I guess.
  • 3 0
 I think people would be surprised how much they'd enjoy a bike like the P4.

I have a weird rigid SS bike with a dropper. Geo is a touch longer/lower/slacker than a DJ, but not far off. I ride the shit out of that thing. There's a world of green and blue trails I never rode because my enduro bike makes it feel like riding down a sidewalk. Less bike makes them super fun and a totally different experience.
  • 1 1
 Majority people do not spin 360 or backflips, however would enjoy pupmtrack/dirt jump sections, so 27 dj bike make perfect place to me.

Target audience dad’s/mom’s who rides dj with kids
  • 1 0
 @thechunderdownunder: Haro Thread Slope...
  • 34 0
 Bring back the SX (supercross) 100mm rear end dual slalom 4x bike.....
  • 13 0
 or even just the P.slope
  • 9 0
 The people want slope bikes specialized.
  • 2 1
 The original Enduro SX had 80mm rear travel iirc. Seems good for the job. Anneke Beerten placed second in de Lisbon urban DH once on one of these so it sure must be sufficient for whatever you'd want to ride.
  • 27 2
 @devin-m:
People say they want them but in reality nobody actually buys them. Supply and demand - theres no demand, just Pinkbikers with too much to complain about
  • 2 0
 @notthatfast: we want them to exist but don't actually want to own them. why? because every jump in my local bikepark that i'd want a P.Slope for, i can just hit on my big bike.
  • 1 0
 @notthatfast: I don't know about what there is available now but back then, it was the most expensive frame in the Specialized Enduro catalog. I'm not sure anymore but I recall it looked amazing at the time but it it was about 1700 Euros whereas the regular Enduro frames were about 500 Euros cheaper. YT had their Play bike which was a good bit cheaper and I think it was quite popular. It was a horst-link design though well before the North American patent expired for Specialized so these German brands probably weren't any attention over there. Was YT even getting attention when they got Lacondeguy on board? Though maybe even if they did, I think YT had already retired the Play. Rose and Canyon do have some slopestyle bikes with rear suspension don't they? Not sure whether Rose sells to North America. I recall they did quit supplying the UK.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Canyon has the Stitched 720 which is a full sus. Haro also has the Thread Slope for under $2000. That Canyon is dope tho.
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 @vinay:
Sure, makes sense for somebody to sell slope bikes, there's some market for them obviously, but probably nowhere near big enough for one of the biggest bike companies in the world to bother.
If they sold well, they'd still be selling them. They don't discontinue popular bikes.
  • 1 0
 @mca896: Yeah, I think a short travel fully is fun even for those not throwing big tricks. I'm on a low fun hardtail though I can imagine a little bit of rear travel might make it easier to preserve speed through choppy terrain yet still be easy to pump and move around.

@notthatfast : I admit I'm not always up to date with what Specialized is making and what bike goes with what name. Stumpjumper used to be a hardtail, then they had both (hardtail and full sus) variations and it is all full sus now. The Epic went in the other direction. The Fuse used to be a BMX, now it is a mountainbike... It isn't always the case that they don't sell a certain bike because no one wants a bike like that. People still ride BMX bikes after all. It is just that others may offer a better (or better value) alternative. As said, that original Specialized Enduro SX looked amazing and great fun, it just was quite expensive. Then with the rise of 4X racing, we've seen a good lot of fun small and short travel bikes built for the job, but also great for just messing around. Specialized just wasn't the best in that market. Just like in the slopestyle competitions, loads of great riders are on those German bikes so there was little reason for whoever wanted a bike like that, to choose for the Specialized offfering instead.
  • 2 0
 @vinay: Those original SX frames came with 115mm (4.5") travel via a 1.75" stroke Fox Vanilla shock and two travel chips (shaft spacers) to reduce it's stroke to 1.5" or 1.25". giving 100mm (4") or 89mm (3.5") travel... a heavier rider wouldn't be able to run the frame in it's shortest travel setting at all as no spring was made stiff enough. Even run at full travel sourcing a stiff enough spring was an issue. I had my shock re-shimmed and ran a 140mm Pike turning it into a sort of versatile mini DH bike. I'd say pre-Enduro(tm) enduro bike but the seat angle was so slack it was pretty horrendous for long days of climbing
  • 1 0
 @Gaah: I stand corrected. I indeed thought they had 80mm travel in the rear but that's just from memory of browsing the catalog back then. Maybe a later iteration of the 4X specific version of model got that little travel.
  • 1 0
 Yes!. A new sx would be a wayyyyyyyy more sensual offering.
  • 1 0
 @paolocolletti: Whatever turns you on!
  • 2 0
 @notthatfast: As an owner of an SX (that gets ridden regularly) I would happily put my money where my complaints are!
  • 1 0
 @paolocolletti: I have an S2 status I'm trying to kinda replicate the SX with. got a 27.5 on front, plan is to single speed and 26 in the back. Never put the dropper in, set up for bars. Feels pretty dope for jumping. Way better than the s3 status I had before. It feels like what I thought the status was supposed to be when it was first re-released. They could easily make a slope-ish version of the status and regain some of their credibility but I think specialized is more concerned with 29er enduro race bikes for squamish type people
  • 2 0
 @notthatfast: The issue with slope bikes is very very very few people actually can make use of one. They are worse at everything a hardtail dirt jump can do (heavier, squishy/ less pop even if you run it really stiff, more maintenance with a shock and pivots, and the cost is high compared to a HT frame) with the exception of taking the sting out of a slopestyle sized jump gone wrong. I don't know how many people out there are actually riding jumps that big (let alone finding a public slopestyle course), but a good chunk of the slopestyle field uses hardtails and they do just fine. It's a niche bike within a niche genre of riding.
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 @leon-forfar: I gotta disagree Leon, having spent considerable time on hardtails and Slope bikes, they are not worse in every way, just different. They also don’t need XL jumps to be fun, I think you’d be surprised how good they ride if you owned one. We agree on the Niche aspect though, and money talks. No one coughs up to buy them.
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 @leon-forfar: they are really nice on all dirt jumps if you like a little softer ride than a hardtail or like to have a bit more bike under you. Always preferred slope over hardtail.
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 @devin-m: Fair, I think there is a level of personal preference in here, but you can't get around some of the aspects of a slopebike. I've spent a lot of time on a few different slope bikes and owned a couple over the years (I think the only one I haven't properly ridden is the Canyon 720, I've only hopped around on one). I spent the most time on Trek Ticket S, P slope, Kona Bass, the SX like yours, and an Empire 5 (if a 130 bike marketed at slopestyle counts. I still tricked it haha). I've tried them on the local jumps, tried all my tricks on them at the foam pit/ air bag/ jumps with them, ridden trick jumps with them, etc. Not saying they aren't fun, they just don't do things as well as a hardtail. Anytime you add suspension, you are going to lose some of that pop, no matter how stiff you run the shock (by which point, the already "tuned" rebound tune on the shocks generally can't handle the pressure). I always felt that pop is the most important part of dirt jump/skatepark/ street riding. More pop is better, whether you are doing tricks, or just boosting and having fun. On top of missing pop, they are generally heavier (although, these days they can be built very light), which can make tailwhips harder. The other thing is that dirt jump landings are (should be) smooth, so why do we need a shock to take the sting out of landing, unless you come up short on a landing that is 4 storeys tall like a slope style landing, Maybe when my knees are on the crispier side of 35, I may disagree with myself. I've always had a hard time seeing the point of them unless you are literally trying to win Crankworx. The P-slope was my favorite slope bike I've ridden, and I will even go so far as to say I prefer them to the P3. But otherwise, they are just a tough sell when hardtail jump bikes are cheaper, lighter, less maintenance, and poppier.

I do have to say though, before we had proper short travel trail bikes, nothing was sicker than using a slopebike as a trail bike. When I was a grom, I REALLY wanted a slope bike so I could have one bike to ride jumps and trails on.
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 @vinay: doubt it... i think if you ran the pressure in the rear shock low enough to make it any more compliant than a hardtail for trail riding, you'd blow through the travel in a hot second. they're made to be run super stiff
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 27.5 on a dirt jumper… god please stop.
  • 9 1
 26/27 mullet is next.
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 Never in my life have I thought about riding a 27.5 Dirt Jumper. Just get a 27.5 hardtail and hit jumps if you have the urge to do it and you will be able to ride other stuff with it too.
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flag hamncheez (Jul 6, 2023 at 9:35) (Below Threshold)
 Not gotta lie, its hard to find stuff in 26. This makes it easier (at least from an OEM perspective) to spec the bike. Just get the frame only and put 26" wheels on it if thats what you want.
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 notice they shrunk the frame size down on the 26 to sell it as a "kids" bike, making the "adult" one the 27.5.

f*ckin whack specialized!
  • 9 1
 @hamncheez: try to hit a legit set of dirt jumps on 27.5 wheels. Let me know how it rides and feels.
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flag Bro-LanDog (Jul 6, 2023 at 9:50) (Below Threshold)
 It's just bikes dude, what's wrong with 27.5 dj?
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 @Bro-LanDog: shittier for dirt jumps, spins and tricks. It's annoying that they sized the 26" down, so if you want an adult sized bike you need the 27.5 version.

luckily almost every other brand still makes proper dirt jumpers
  • 4 2
 @hamncheez: how do you know this? Tons of brands continue to spec 26” DJ bikes year after year. I doubt there’s a big issue.
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 @luckynugget: why not just get a 20in bmx then?
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 @Bro-LanDog: because dirt jump mountain bikes have been a thing for decades, I'm not going to quit since a brand suddenly thinks it should rebrand an entire sport for the sprinter van/free-range family crowd. Nothing against bmx I just like real DJ's.
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 @luckynugget: who said you had to quit? Show us on the doll where the 1.5in bigger wheel hurt you
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 @jmcleod66: I have before, on a 140mm trail bike. It did great but could only hit the first two before running out of speed. Legit wished for a 27.5 dj bike for a long time.
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 How many babies will die if you put 26" wheels on a dirtjump frame "intended" for 27.5"? Specialized probably didn't change anything for the move to 27.5 other than tire clearance.

27.5" isn't real; 650b is barely 27" in diameter, even for large tire widths. Its far closer to 26 than 29, not some mythical halfway point.

With a full suspension bike over 100mm of travel, in a double blind test, nearly all of us wouldn't correctly identify 26 vs 650b. You'd feel the 10cm (or less) bottom bracket drop more than the smaller wheel diameter.

On a DJ you probably have a better chance of feeling the difference, but a light wheel vs heavy wheel still probably would matter more.
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 @WestC0astWanderer: but I can get a decent 27.5 HT for less than 1000 bucks - what if I want to spend twice that on a poor replacement? /s>
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 @BiNARYBiKE: WAO even makes a set of 26" wheels specifically for DJ, and they're about as tiny as a manufacturer gets. There's lots of 26" stuff available
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 @Bro-LanDog: good to know specialized will sell at least one of these bikes to someone who doesn't plan to ride it to pumptracks and starbucks
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 @Bro-LanDog: I've been saying this for the last two decades. MTB for trails/slalom/4x, BMX for dirt jumps/freestyle. That's just my "bmx background" coming into play though. Razz
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 @Bro-LanDog: up my butt
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 @ohbmxer: whatevers clever, if don't bother me. It's just funny to see people bent out if shape over 27.5 wheels when bmxers have been doing things with no brakes, helmet, or suspension that most with dual crowns and full faces wouldn't dream of. It's all just bikes, it ain't that serious.
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 @hamncheez: You’re getting voted down, but you are 100 percent right.
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 @hamncheez: I've run my full DH bike both as full 27.5 and as a 27.5/26 mini-mullet, the difference huge and very noticeable. And yes the bike has a BB adjustment flip chip literally meant for swapping between 26 and 27.5
  • 2 2
 @IsaacWislon82: "huge and very noticeable"

same phrase ur mum used the other night
  • 3 1
 @hamncheez: breaking: almost 40yo man-child acts like one when he has nothing to actually contribute
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 @IsaacWislon82: did you really care enough to click on my profile and see my age?
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 @hamncheez: I didn't need to
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 @hamncheez: about that wart on your back? Wink
  • 14 0
 The P4 looks incredible. IDK why, but I'm an absolute sucker for gray/raw frames with red forks.
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 I'm going to hold out for the36-inch wheel E-dirtjumper.
  • 4 0
 its funny because half of this comment is already a thing.
  • 10 0
 Is that a hydraulic rear brake and a mechanical front?? Probably assuming that everyone is going to take the front off anyways so they're saving a bit of cash but still a weird look.
  • 7 0
 Yeah brands do that here in Europe because it’s compulsory to sell a bicycle with two brakes. So they just put the cheapest mechanical front for legal reason
  • 2 0
 Funny, I thought it was required in North America to have two independent brakes on a bike. In Europe you can easily get a bike with just a single coaster brake and nothing else. If you drop or snap your chain when you need to stop, jump and hope for the best.
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 Geez. Pick a wheel size and be a d$%k about it. For those that think the 27.5 is stupid... cool. Don't buy it as they literally have the bike with the wheel size you prefer being released in the same article. I do think there will be a market for the 27.5 for exactly what they described.. .someone who might not be DJ to the core and wants a bike that can DJ from time to time but can also cruise around town, hit some jumps, roll an occasional trail... seems like a good addition to the gaggle.
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 In fairness, they're not offering a 26" frame any more. They're offering a 20", a 24", and a 27.5" that they will sell you with a 26" wheelset if you want it.

The excess frame wheelbase will be a problem for certain styles of riding.
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 @barp: The geo between the P3 and P4 is about the same as many others offering different size DJ frames. Chromag, Transition, Giant STP.

Also looks like the 26" P3 geo is really close to the last gen P3.
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 yeah in the same release they try to bring back 24" dj bike for adults and introduce 27.5 dj bike AND BOOST SPACING so your nice bolt on135 rear wheel is useless on this bike and there's next to no options for a replacement unless you build your own.

I've always been a fan of the P bikes and will definitely consider one of these for my son's next bike
  • 9 0
 Why can’t there be multiple sizes in the P3?
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 Yeah chromag has 4 monk sizes, at least 2 would make more sense
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 they are trying to force the 26 as a "kids" size
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 it´s a too specialized dedicated market...
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 @quinnltd: That’s where my business is going.
Or transition.
  • 4 0
 @You2: it's crazy that these smaller "boutique" brand frames are cheaper too.
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 @plyawn: I have a Evil faction II, which is $400 for the frame.
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 @luckynugget: Seems like there is some misunderstanding on wheel size and what is meant for adults vs kids… both the P3 and P4 are meant for adults. The P3 is spec’d with 26” wheels and the P4 is spec’d with 27.5” wheels. The P3 is still very traditional DJ geometry. Either frame can accept either wheel size. It’s basically a short and a long version of the same bike since the chainstay length is the same between the P3 and P4. 26” DJ’s aren’t going anywhere, they just added another option for people that might prefer a bigger bike. The P1 and P2 are in the same vain, just another option for young rippers that don’t fit onto a full size P3 or P4 yet.
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 @luckynugget: Did you bother to check the geo? 26 is not a kids bike and still bigger than a lot of other brands 26" DJ's.
  • 10 1
 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo
  • 5 0
 I still have my old Specialized P2. Converted it to single-speed. Great bike! I got my hopes up when I saw the title of this article. They could have done some more research before commiting to this new lineup. Nothing next level here.
  • 1 0
 My OG 2007 P.2 frame is hung on a wall in my garage, every once in a while I'll day dream about rebuilding it.
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 P4 is going to be a great frame for a parts-bin build, since not many of us have 26" wheels or 135mm hubs laying around any more. New frame will let people build them up with the old 27.5 trail bike parts that could be sitting in the garage. Why aren't dirtjumpers $1200? Check the MSRP on a Pike DJ or Bomber DJ, thats most of the price right there.
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 The only issue I see with the P.4 frame is that it's going to be tough to find a 100mm travel 27.5" fork with a decently thick stanchion. But I could see building one up with a 130mm Pike for sure.
  • 7 1
 Am I to believe Rogatkin signs off on a 27.5 dirt jump bike? This is silly.
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 I'm partially drawn to this because I had a good 'all-round' experience with a P3 from a few years ago.

What I liked was that it was snappy on the pump track and jumps, but having the front brake and a little lighter gearing than most other DJs I've tried, I was able to adapt to riding on some gravel and single track in the same park. A sort of single speed / rigid setup (with the stiff air fork taking the edge off at speed). Relatively low maintenance, simple, light.

The ability to run a dropper and even the 27.5 wheels are intriguing for these reasons. Putting on some riser bars and a bigger rear cog for a little more ease on the hills would be considered. (I don't mind lighter gearing for a DJ because I'm no longer going for high end speed down hills or between jumps... pumping and flow at moderate speed are usually enough for me anymore after too many crashes.)

The 2K+ price tag is disappointing though.
  • 3 0
 I still ride a 24" DJ and getting tires is really difficult. There are only small batches of BMX tires that come out that are usually too skinny or too slick for DJ. Hopefully this'll help?
  • 2 0
 My fave 24 tire is the Haro MS5 24x2.3. Check them out.
  • 2 0
 Continental Air King is the way
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 Can I run a dropper?
To expensive yes, but hopefully they'll have sales next year.
As a 6ft2 guy a p4 actually makes sense, dj bikes were always too small, easier to find tyres for it as well.
I do love the idea of a bike like this for around town then some DJ's/skatepark and pump track on the way home.
If only I had the money
  • 4 0
 had a Spesh P back in the day...the most bombproof bike I think I ever owned...with the Norco Buzz as a close second.
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 I like the idea of the P4 being a bridge from my trail bike. Something I can jump on occasionally and feel relatively comfortable straight away. Rather than being squeezed onto a way, way smaller feeling rig that would be quite a different ride.
  • 2 1
 I'm 6'5" and feel fine on a Chromag Xlong. The P4 is shorter and I doubt the bigger tires are going to make you feel more comfortable.
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 Anyone use a DJ bike to cruise around town on? Would it be terrible?
Now that I have a kid I'm looking for something to replace my beach cruiser that's a bit more fun and that I can jump around on over curbs and driveways.
Looking mostly at one of the big bmx bikes like the Fairdale Taj but I keep being intrigued by dirt jumpers. Small suspension fork sounds nice and I could build the frame up with some spare parts so the cost wouldn't be terrible.
  • 1 0
 Fun but a bit annoying that you can never sit down (at least I can’t at 6’3” on a proper DJ bike. Even with a long seat tube the seat is too low.
  • 4 0
 I ride a Marin Alcatraz around town and it's a blast for about 15 minutes and then it kinda sucks not being able to sit down comfortably.. no different than a bmx really.
  • 1 0
 It's should be fine if you have front brake.
I commute 25km return to the pumptrack with the seat up (still 200mm lower than mtb), no problem, still easier than cruising on mtb with proper tires.
  • 1 0
 Commuting on a dual slalom bike was the most fun I've ever had in a short amount of time (on a bike).
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 I have an Arq that I put a longer post on with a QR seat clamp.. I can raise the seat to a fairly comfortable height to pedal and slam it for the fun stuff.. A dropper with the lever under the seat would be ideal if you wanted a dropper on a DJ.. Or, a AXS Reverb if you are a true baller..
  • 1 0
 Do it. I did and it is an hoot.

All the comments about annoying to pedal (because of seat height and gearing) are true, you’re not buying it for efficiency. You’re buying it for the good (and shared) times. You’ll be exhausted about the same time as your child (because you’ll have to pedal like a clown to keep up), but it will become something they can grow into, be a rolling platform you can teach them mechanic skills on when they want to mod it with bits from eBay / parts bin, and be a bike you don’t need to worry too much about if their friends come round.
Win win (win).

I have three DJ’s hanging in the garage which were all born this way. All part-bin bikes and each child loves theirs because we built and ride them together (plus I now have a choice of three DJ’s to ride depending on which child I’m cruising with )
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 I’ve been running 27.5’s on my 2015 P.3 for the past 3 years with an externally routed dropper post as my main trail bike. It’s cool to see they finally caught on, it’s been the most fun bike I’ve ever owned!
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 Still have a ~2003 P2 knocking around the garage. It’s used by my kids, other kids in the neighborhood, wheelies, pump track, jumps. Lotta bones broken riding that bike over the years. She still runs great. Cost me $650 new. What a bike!
  • 1 0
 Wooohooo! Comeback of 24" means more tire options hopefully. For those that also are hurting for 24" options, the specialized rhythm lite 24x2.2 has been my jam for a long time
  • 4 1
 Or pick up a trick Cult or We the People for 600 bucks off Facebook.
  • 2 0
 You could probably get one around that price new even.
  • 2 0
 Or a Canonnondale Dave, currently going for $950.
  • 3 0
 Bring back the last version of the enduro sx frame
  • 2 0
 Really bad experiences with Specialized lately, been loyal for years. Owner of several S-Works models. Never again now.
  • 2 0
 This is going to be the new cringy SE big ripper big flyer stupid wheelie kids bikes.
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 What a beautiful rigid fork
  • 1 0
 UK website the p4 is listed as £1400 - I think that’s a bargain!! Vitality members get 25% off spec bikes too - deal!
  • 3 0
 that pricing lol
  • 1 0
 Bigger wheels aren’t really my thing…but the more options we all have, the better.
  • 2 0
 Where the F is the P SLOPE the one we actually want?! Lol
  • 1 0
 Why complain about price when you can buy a titanium dirt jump frame from me for 2500 ?
  • 2 0
 Yt dirt love for $600 less..
  • 1 0
 too short mate
  • 2 1
 With the 27.5 P4 why make the option on the P3? Longer chainstay for an option that 99% of the bikes will never use?
  • 2 0
 The chainstay on P.3 and P.4 is the same, and its no longer then the old P.3. Did you look at the geo?
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 @dm831: I figured it was the same on both the 3 and 4 as they can both take a 27.5. Just looked at geo and you’re right new and old p3 are both 385mm. Just doesn’t make sense to me. The 26 is almost touching the seatstay in the pic of last years model, they didn’t add any length but somehow there’s room for another 3/4 inch wheel radius. We’ve always known the Specialized designers and engineers were magicians. Guess that’s why they get to charge the big bucks!
  • 1 0
 everyones upset about 27" wheels and i'm just thinking of how big we can make the jumps
  • 1 0
 you dont need bigger wheels for bigger jumps
  • 5 3
 No steel, no deal
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 27.5 pumptrack bikes damn f*ck this sport lol. They are testing the waters to remove 26" dirt jumpers from their line up. Obviously they will sell way more since there's now 18 velo-solutions pump track abortions for every half decent set of dirt jumps getting built.

have you ever spent more than 5 mins at an asphalt pump track before getting bored? shits a scam, the people need jumps
  • 6 1
 While I agree about pumptracks being boring, proper jumps are a lot of work. Even with a solid crew you’re probably busier building/maintaining then riding.
  • 32 4
 Yes something free for the community is a scam. Dude build some jumps in your yard and stop being a turd.
  • 25 1
 Nah paved pump tracks are wicked fun this is a shit take. The better you get the more gaps/transitions become apparent. Definitely bottoms out for fun if you’re just lapping it tho.
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 @Tsoxbhk: Dirt jumps give a community something to ride with no upper limit for progression. You can ride the same jumps for 10 years and still try harder stuff.

Dirt jumps are also a fraction of the cost of an asphalt pumptrack. Some company like Velo comes in and sucks MILLIONS out of community fundraised budgets for a product that most kids and adults get bored of after a day.

Dirt jumps can be altered if something isn't flowing right. The Pumptrack is permanent, and most have flaws, that forever stay flawed because it's asphalt. Dirt jumps cost the community thousands, pumptracks cost up to a million.
  • 12 2
 Why does the bike community owe you as proper set of jumps? You don’t have to ride the ‘asphalt abortions’, go build your own jumps. You could even say that the velo pump track scam will keep the jump curious crowds attention away from the secret proper dirt jumps that I know you’ll build, because you know, people need jumps. There are dozens of options for 26” djs right now, just pretend you didn’t see this article and your life will be just as it was.
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 @idontknowwhatiexpected: I do have my own jumps that I built, not everyone gets that luxury.
  • 7 1
 Some Velosolutions tracks do have jump lines. The red ones are the pump lines, the blue ones are the jump lines.

I don't see how they're "testing the waters". The offer 20", 24", 26" and 27.5". People just get to choose. I honestly don't see the point of getting the biggest wheeled ones as it seems to me those will be hardest to get up to speed on a pumptrack for most of us. So people who are getting bored might be better off with something that allows the saddle to go even lower (to have more room to pump and move around), smaller wheels and no suspension. I can't see myself getting bored if I'm going the speeds these top pumptrack competitors are going. And as long as I'm not going that fast, there is enough work to do.
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 @vinay: if you read closely they shrunk the 26" down to a kids size frame.

my beef with pumptracks is how massive the cost is vs what the community actually gets. A S,M,L and XL sets of jumps cost a fraction of a pumptrack and provide way more progression, keeping kids healthy and entertained way longer and off the crack. Throw in a dirt pumptrack beside and a couple trails nearby and you're set, all still less than the cost of a small velo-solutions asphalt track.
  • 8 1
 @luckynugget:
(Pump track can be and are made of dirt too)

I've been taking my kids to the local (dirt) pumptrack for years, since they were on balance bikes. If we only had dirt jumps instead of a pumptrack, that wouldn't have been the case. And, as exciting as learning to ride dirt jumps sounds, I'm too old and too uninterested in injuries to take advantage of it. Jumps may be cheaper, but they are also only useful and interesting to a much smaller percent of the population

Our local pumptrack is still a popular place after 5 years or so. Perhaps some people get bored after a day, but plenty seem to keep coming back.
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 @luckynugget: Yeah, I get your point. Though I did read again and I couldn't find where it says the P3 is a kids frame. It says it could run a 27.5" front wheel so I suppose the stock setup is 26" front and rear. My regular mtb is 26" wheel specific and with a wheelbase over 1200mm and a 460mm reach, it definitely isn't a kids bike Wink . Actually, my old steel P1 has a 24" rear wheel and still isn't a kids' bike. But as for asphalt pumptrack vs jump line, I don't see those as either-or. A dirt jumpline is a community thing. It takes a community of dedicated diggers to maintain such a facility. A municipality wants to be sure that it is going to be maintained, they don't have the knowledge to do it themselves yet at the same time they can't hold the volunteers who choose to do so accountable either. So they can and will allow that, but it is never going to cater to everyone. An asphalt pumptrack caters to everyone on wheels (without motor assistance). Could be on skates, skateboard, a scooter, a bike, an ultimate wheel if someone feels like trying that. It doesn't need much maintenance and the sweeping that needs to be done, they can do or can have done. It is more the alternative to building a skatepark than the alternative to building a dirt jump line. Look at it this way. Anyone can start on a pumptrack and learn the fundamentals of pumping (which you're going to need for jumping anyway). Chances are it is going to breed a group of people who do want to jump and build a line. I don't think it is going to deter people from jumping. I think it could be more of a gateway. And this group that already frequents the pumptrack may very well have more credibility at the city council to get permission and support to build a jump line than a group that they've never seen and wants a patch of land to build something that caters to a much smaller audience.

@showmethemountains: Yeah, and dirt pumptracks are cheaper to build than tarmac ones. It also comes with a similar downside: they're only really useful to those on bikes (so this smaller audience) and they require regular maintenance that can only be done by someone who has a feel for it. I'm lucky to have a dirt pumptrack (with a gravel top layer) three minutes from home. It is a bit sketchy though so I eventually put a Schwalbe Smart Sam 20x2.35 front tire on my BMX to keep it from washing out. Just dirt (without gravel) is more reliable but also less durable. Would be amazing to have had one of these tarmac pumptracks but these really are too expensive.
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 @luckynugget: Weird the reach on the P3 is longer than my NS Decade. I think you are confused and dont understand geo. So again what shrank on the P3? Seems in line or longer with pretty much all 26 DJ bikes.
  • 2 1
 @Tsoxbhk: the reach on the P4, their new largest size that is targeting 27.5 wheels is 15mm shorter than my Chromag monk with 26 wheels, and cost $100 more for the frame. That's ridiculous.
  • 3 0
 @plyawn: Great! You have a super long DJ bike! . XL MONK 460. P4. 445 which is in line with most LONG DJ bikes. Having ridden the XL PBJ also 460 reach I can say unless you are 6ft 3 that bike is way to long for a DJ bike.
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 @luckynugget: did you do a poor job for funds request to build jumps in your community which ended up going towards a Velosolutions build? You seem extremely sour about paved pump tracks. We have a Velosolutions and a local built paved pump track within 15 minutes of each other. They are typically always full, have a wide range of riders in both age and experience, and are absolutely able to be jumped if you have the skills. Tons of fun and far from boring. They've been nothing but positive additions to our community and have not taken anything away from the local actual dirt jumps that are on a need to know basis.
  • 1 1
 It's actually pretty genius on specialized if you think about their customer base. Most people riding real trails are going to go for a steel 26 from a core brand anyway (or just a bmx)
  • 2 1
 @dwbaillar: I live in area where the good writers doing backflips, threes etc etc. And none but about three out of say 20 or more rides steel. Steve was more of the BMX side of the fence. Not saying steel isn't cool, transitions PBJ and a handful of others. However, you don't have to ride steal to ride"real" trails
  • 2 0
 Some weird voice to text translation, but I hope no point gets across
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 @bman33: Back in the days I had the impression the Americans rode aluminum dj frames and the Brits rode steel. Kona, Specialized and Cannondale vs DMR, Revell etc. Though my Specialized P1 is actually a steel frame. Either way, it didn't matter. Both were sending it.
  • 2 0
 @luckynugget:

Can you explain how that works please?

TT length, reach and wheelbase are all longer on the new P3 than on the 2020 model.

Generally interested. Am I missing something?
  • 3 1
 27.5???
  • 1 0
 Can't wait for the P155 so I can ride the crap out of it.
  • 1 0
 Mechanical front brake...really? just sell the bikes without one.....
  • 2 0
 It's most likely for compliance of the weird European laws that forced by companies to put front brakes on. They put a cheap front brake because they know people buying this f****** going to throw them in the garbage anyway
  • 1 0
 Hope the quality is more consistent than the exhange rate.
  • 1 0
 Hydro rear brake and mechanical front?
  • 1 0
 That pink p3 looks gorgeous!
  • 4 6
 Sold my dirtjumper because the small bike led to lots of crashing, I’m sure I’m not alone. After breaking my leg, and selling it, the p3 is making me want to come back.
  • 47 0
 You sold your leg?
  • 1 2
 Watch out for those vague pronoun references…
  • 4 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: username checks out haha
  • 2 1
 @mrgonzo: ah that time I picked a dumb username and then the word took on a whole new meaning in modern society!
  • 4 0
 @mrgonzo: f*ck I sold my leg dammit
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 I like the green P's
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 This is actually sick. I've been wandering when companies would start offering 27.5 DJ bikes. More parts options like forks and rims and tires.
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 Most true DJ riders have been dreading the day they start phasing out true 26" jump bikes...
  • 2 0
 @phil-mclean: I see both sides and I'm not trying to argue with anyone. Just my opinion.
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 @phil-mclean: “…back in my day…GET OFF MY JUMP LINE…”
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 @phil-mclean: the last thing I want on my skatepark bike is a longer chainstay
  • 1 1
 REEB made a 27.5 DJ a few years back, but no one seems to remember that.
  • 2 1
 Release a new Enduro
  • 1 0
 Twenty four ain't dead!
  • 5 6
 Specialized: Actually 26" is dead.
  • 1 2
 Finally a good frame to make a mullet dj







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