The Differences Between the 3 New Specialized Stumpjumpers

Apr 16, 2018 at 9:14
by David Arthur  
Specialized Stumpjumper

Today Specialized unveils the all-new Stumpjumper, a key trail bike in the company’s mountain bike range, and the big news is that it grows to a family of three bikes, each aimed at covering the increasingly diverse requirements of riding styles that stretch right from XC/trail to nudging on the door of enduro riding.

The core Stumpjumper is joined by the new Stumpjumper ST (short travel), a bike which replaces the Camber, and there’s the return of the Stumpjumper Evo, which is intended to meet the growing appetite for very long and very slack bikes. Each bike is offered with 29” and 27.5” wheels with clearance for up to 3” tyres, with 2.6” tyres specced on the regular Stumpjumper and the Evo, the Stumpjumper ST rolls on 2.3” tyres. Specialized has dropped its previous focus on separate plus, or Fattie in Specialized language, bikes from the new range. You can go plus if you want, but Specialized isn't offering that option.


Specialized Stumpjumper


Frame Redesign

The three new bikes essentially share the same frame design, albeit with a slight front triangle difference between the different wheel sizes. The Stumpjumper and Stumpjumper ST simply use different shock hardware and a fork to achieve the different suspension travel and geometry numbers, while the Evo stands out by only being offered, currently, in aluminum.

bigquotesWe pulled out all the stops to lighten and stiffen up the frame, and what we arrived at was a vastly more efficient structure with a new sidearm design. The sidearm design directly connects all three mounting points of the rear-end and shock to the frame, and this creates a significant increase in both stiffness and performance over bumps. More explicitly, frame flex has been minimized when the rear suspension is active. In CAD, we were able to put the new 3D shape against the last iteration of the Stumpjumper, and with Finite Element Analysis (FEA), we were able to prove that the new layout was 20% more efficient. At the end of all of this, we’ve ended up with one of the lightest trail frames on the market. Specialized

The frame has a radical new design, but it still manages to echo the outline of the old model. The key new feature is the sidearm top tube that increases frame stiffness, with a new shock linkage and compatibility with standard metric shocks. There’s space for a coil shock and water bottle in the front triangle, and the SWAT storage has been refined and volume has increased. A significant change is the 1x focus - all bikes are specced with 1x drivetrains and there's no way of fitting a front mech.

The swingarm has been revised with a claimed 8% improvement in the stiffness and a whopping 100g weight saving. There’s an all-new bottom bracket shell that sheds substantial weight, and press-fit has been replaced by an externally threaded bottom bracket. The seat tubes are shorter allowing for longer dropper posts, with Specialized speccing 160mm posts on the larger frame sizes.

Other key details include a full internal channel guiding the rear brake hose through the down tube, bottom bracket and main pivot and into the chainstay, leading to much shorter build times and less swearing. Producing a quieter ride has also been a focus, with a new ridged rubber chainstay protector that is aimed at precisely matching where the chain impacts the frame, based on the company’s in-house testing.


Specialized Stumpjumper

Stumpjumper ST

Replacing the Camber, a bike that was popular with people that wanted a lightweight trail bike, the new Stumpjumper ST is intended to be a more trail capable with less suspension travel and steeper geometry than the full-fat Stumpjumper.

It combines a 130mm fork with 120mm rear travel on 29” wheels and 130mm front and rear on 27.5” wheels. The frame is the same as the longer travel Stumpjumper, so you could conceivable ‘upgrade’ to the longer travel bike, with the main differences being in the shorter stroke shock and fork.

bigquotesWe love the fast and planted feeling of the new Stumpjumper, but not everyone needs 150mm of travel. And if you're in the market for a trail bike that’s more nimble and snappy in hard accelerations and long climbs, the S-Works Stumpjumper ST 29 should be your first choice. Specialized

The equipment reflects the differences between the two bikes. There are eight models in the range, two aluminum and six carbon, with prices ranging from $1,800 USD to $9,500. The range-topping S-Works bike gets SRAM XO1 Eagle with Fox Float 34 Factory fork and Float DPS Factory shock, with Purgatory/Butcher 2.3” tyres on Roval Traverse carbon wheels.

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2019 Specialized Stumpjumper


Stumpjumper

The standard Stumpjumper has 150mm front and 140mm rear travel with 29” wheels, and 150mm both ends with 27.5” wheels.

There are ten models on offer, starting with the Comp Alloy at $3,000 USD, rising through the Comp Carbon ($4,200) with carbon front and rear triangles, and topping out with the S-Works for $9,500. You can also buy the S-Works frameset for $3,200 if you want to build your own bike from scratch.

A look at the spec sheet on the top-end bike reveals a Fox 36 fork up front and a Float DPX2 shock out back, 2.6” Purgatory and Butcher Grid tyres on carbon Roval wheels, a 160mm Command Post dropper, SRAM X01 Eagle and Guide RSC brakes and a 780mm Specialized carbon handlebar.

As well as the eight men’s bikes there are two women’s bikes, the Stumpjumper Comp Alloy 27.5 and Stumpjumper Comp Carbon 27.5, with the size range dropping down to an XS, going up to a Large. The equipment is the same on both bikes, focused around a Shimano SLX drivetrain and brakes, with 2.6” Purgatory and Butcher Grid tyres on Roval aluminum wheels and suspension duties take care off by a Fox Float Rhythm 34 fork and Float DPS Performance shock.


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2019 Specialized Stumpjumper

Stumpjumper EVO

There were a lot of people sad to see the retirement of the Evo in the last Stumpjumper release, but after a few years on the bench, it’s back, longer and slacker than ever before. While some might accuse Specialized of being conservative with the geometry of the regular Stumpjumper, the new Stumpjumper Evo allows them the freedom to go much more progressive without alienating the many.

bigquotesLet's get something clear—the Stumpjumper EVO Comp Alloy 29 isn't a ‘normal’ trail bike. It's built to get gnarly, and there's no real way around that. It has a slacked-out front-end and a longer top tube, so the EVO has heavier steering, exceptional front-end traction, and it begs you to boost every lip and do cutties as often as possible. And with all the speed that 29ers are known for, you're going to be able to bomb down trails that you thought you couldn't touch without a full-blown DH rig. When the goin' gets rowdy, the rowdy get goin’. Specialized

So the new Stumpjumper Evo has the same suspension travel as the standard Stumpjumper, 150mm front and rear with 27.5” wheels and 150mm front and 140mm rear with 29” wheels, but the real difference is in the geometry and build kit. The build, which at $3,600 is clearly targeted at hitting a certain price point of accessibility, centers around the new Fox Float 36 Rhythm fork with a Float DPX2 Performance shock, Butcher Grid 2.6” tyres, alloy Roval wheels and an X-Fusion Manic 150mm dropper post.

Just two sizes in each wheel size will be offered, but Specialized has moved away from the conventional sizing nomenclature, with new S2 and S3 designations to describe the two sizes it is offering.

The S3 sized 27.5” wheeled model has a 490mm reach, 63.5-degree head angle, 440mm chainstays, 1258mm wheelbase and 75.6-degree seat angle. The S3 sized 29” wheeled bike has a 475mm reach, 63.5-degree head angle, 443mm chainstays, 1253mm wheelbase and 75.6-degree seat angle.

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Read our first ride report on the new Stumpjumper here. More at www.specialized.com/stumpjumper


255 Comments

  • + 118
 63.5 HTA on the EVO, yeah buddy!
  • + 61
 Are we still talking about the Stumpjumper here? That's slacker than the Enduro.
  • + 44
 @jojotherider1977: enduro will be 52 degree h.a.
  • + 5
 Wow, 3 degrees less than the 'regular' 29er! Reach numbers are further not too massive it seems, especially on the 29er version.
  • + 31
 Hopefully breaks the cycle of mechanicals in races for Gravesy! And no, I'm not apologising for that one.
  • + 68
 Hot damn! And a threaded bb!! Normal shock! 2.6 Tires! Specialized is still in this!
  • - 20
flag tyrolens (Apr 16, 2018 at 22:24) (Below Threshold)
 I ride 64° on my Trance.
  • + 1
 holy sh#t!
  • + 43
 This bike isn’t as shreddy as an enduro bike nor it is awake as fuk as a Down-country bike. I am so confused which trend it caters to. Cross-enduro? Cross-Down? Up-Duro? @mikelevy needs to write another piece... what is a mountain bike MTB?
  • + 22
 The first S bike I would actually buy with great looking numbers. Good work Specialized.
  • - 11
flag thunder-nuggets (Apr 17, 2018 at 0:41) (Below Threshold)
 looks like a polygon
  • - 2
 @SCCC120 finally a proper 'modern' hta, in a few years maybe we'll get some steep as shit seat tubes
  • + 3
 Sure, the EVO seems cool enough, but what about a model with modern reach/seat tube numbers that doesn't have a head angle slacker than Bob Marley?
  • + 3
 @lubb1: irrelevant - it's not about Long, Low and Slack. It's about Longer, Lower and Slacker. Major difference. Kanye Geometry FTW
  • + 7
 @Zaff: You mean if he stops smashing his shifter with his knee?
  • + 2
 @theedon: Yes, it is damn hot, but look at the prices on their webpage. Holy cow! You can get the Enduro with a better spec for less.
  • - 1
 @SonofBovril: huh, it's good your autorrect didn't change shifter with sister... because that's what i read first.
  • - 4
flag downhillnews (Apr 17, 2018 at 6:49) (Below Threshold)
 Reach and WB are still on the short side. I would think that would be the bike to push those numbers on.
  • + 3
 So is the evo supposed to be an affordable park bike?
  • + 1
 @Christopop: @Christopop: For now... Until the 2019 Enduros come out.
  • + 2
 Look at the fork offset, too. Using shorter offset forks similar to SBG (44 for 29, 37 for 27.5)
  • + 15
 Marketing department: “ Let’s make a Transition video to launch this bike, but with a bigger budget.”
  • + 1
 @jojotherider1977: ya that's ridiculous ha for most trails that involve climbing of any sort.. The st looks pretty sweet tho!
  • + 0
 @Adodero: Looks like a half baked attempt? EVO is only Al suggesting they realized that had a gap and quickly tried to fill it....wish they could have made a Transition or something more aggressive.
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: it's called CrossDownDuroMountain but the 29ers are really GravelCrossAllTrail.
  • + 2
 @PhillipJ: crosstrail, I like that! All gravel mountain too
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: totally agree too slack to be efficient climber and not burly enough on the downhill I don't get it I'm 64.8° and that's already tougher on climbs I can't even imagine 63.5
  • + 17
 @ybsurf:

Indeed. Rode an HD4 over the weekend with a 65 (64.9) hta and thought it climbed well but still a little floppy. Sick bike tho and can't fault the climbing for a burly trail bike. That HD4 is 1.5 slacker than my current rig and evo is 1.5 slacker than the HD4. In-san-ity.

I appreciate the big S going all crazy with it tho as an experiment. Seems like they did it just to spite Transition. "Hey, wouldn't it be funny to build a couple test mules that're slacker than the Sentinel and see if we can rush a new evo stumpy to market just to mess with the transvestites up in washington?" "How much would it cost?" "I dunno, about the same as that video we're making." "Do it."
  • + 3
 @WasatchEnduro: you win the internet today.
  • + 1
 Are they making those numbers up? It doesn't look as slack as my Reign.
  • + 96
 Pole Machine f#cked a Rallon but smoked while pregnant.
  • + 6
 Cross-eyed little tike didn't get any of the STA or reach or stack.
  • + 2
 @alexsin: And deformed single sided frame, rolls with a limp.
  • + 93
 Yawn. Oh wait. Threaded BB!!! You see that Trek! You see that!!
  • + 5
 And externally threaded at that!
  • + 12
 @MisterChow: But the thread is on the INSIDE of the BB shell :p
  • + 12
 did they contract the transition marketing squad for that video?
  • - 4
flag whattheheel (Apr 17, 2018 at 5:35) (Below Threshold)
 I no watch marketing propaganda.
  • - 20
flag taquitos (Apr 17, 2018 at 7:43) (Below Threshold)
 You guys and the threaded BB train. All they do is increase the part count for your bike with no apparent benefit. I've actually had more issues with threaded BBs than press. That's probably a coincidence though because functionality is the same.
  • + 17
 They also got rid of that stupid proprietary shock mount! It's like a real bike with functional standards!
  • - 9
flag lccomz (Apr 17, 2018 at 8:39) (Below Threshold)
 Now if they could just go back to threaded headsets! I can’t stand this press-in B.S.! Never had a single problem with my old threaded headsets and quill stems.
  • + 0
 @lccomz: I swear everyone is into just keeping the status quo and not trying to improve anything
  • + 6
 Threaded B.B. sounds cool, but they lost me when they said thru axles and disk brakes. Never had a single problem with my QR’s or rim brakes!
  • + 4
 @lccomz: I see it has a water bottler holder, but I'm really disappointed it doesn't have bar ends. I won't be buying one because of this.
  • + 74
 Only one tiny decal visible from the profile, yet instantly recognizable as Specialized. Bravo. I hope the whole industry moves in this direction - we aren't NASCAR.
  • - 7
flag dtrotter (Apr 16, 2018 at 22:01) (Below Threshold)
 what bikes look like a nascar?
  • - 8
flag Powderface (Apr 16, 2018 at 22:12) (Below Threshold)
 @dtrotter: Can't tell if you're stupid or just being sarcastic. The OP is probably referring to all the bikes that look like a session. They are almost indiscernible from one another, similar to how all nascars look the same.
  • + 22
 @dtrotter: Intense for one
  • + 33
 @dtrotter: Giants. Feckin horrible graphics and paintjobs
  • + 18
 I like the way Knolly and Santa do it. One nice colour and only minimal decals- works the best with panted parts.
  • + 5
 @dtrotter: pivot
  • + 5
 @Powderface: @Bluefire was referring to the overabundance of decals on many bikes.

You probably shouldn't call people stupid when you're wrong, btw.
  • + 7
 @Powderface: He's actually referring to the fact that the brand name isn't in large text on the bike. Like how we are all rolling advertisements for the bike companies....similar to nascar how the cars are all billboards on wheels. If you were being sarcastic with the session comment, please disregard Wink
  • + 2
 The huge SPECIALIZED on the downtube is going to get you hot and bothered i feel.
  • + 2
 Pivot. Still room for a few more logos.
  • + 46
 We all can hate on the big "S" sometimes (most of the time). But I have to admit they got a lot of things right this time. I hope other companies follow some of this formula
  • + 19
 they almost always have a lot of things right ha. if this bike is a home run, it won't be the first time for the big S
  • - 6
flag casman86 (Apr 18, 2018 at 11:16) (Below Threshold)
 And failed miserably with an asymmetrical frame. Most people will avoid that like a lefty fork. Just doesn't make sense visually or structurally. Saves them a few cents to build though.
  • + 2
 @casman86: Whatever you are smoking, can I have some? Because apparently it is pretty good.
  • + 1
 *Deleted
  • + 44
 Fun colors and understated graphics. Nice work Specialized bike graphic design team.
  • + 33
 Best new bike video in a long while
  • + 9
 This commercial is hilarious and really done well! The audio for those old clips around 1:02, the Deadmau DH helmet, poking fun at the bike industry/standards (themselves). It probably also helped that they have a really good product to support the effort.
  • + 3
 Also, I have ifht's I Only Ride Park on my playlist.... If "Berms, Lips, Ruts" was a real song on iTunes I'd buy it.
  • + 1
 @nuttypoolog: We're in the process of getting the song out on soundcloud.
  • + 27
 Watches Transition's marketing videos... Cracks a beer... we should make a promo video like that.
  • - 6
flag rrolly (Apr 17, 2018 at 6:46) (Below Threshold)
 But not as original or as funny. nailed it.
  • + 24
 Normal Stumpjumper for the regular people buying bikes at a bike shop.

EVO (S3 of course) for people on the internet who think Leo from Pole should get the Nobel Peace Prize and think that anything with less than 620mm of reach and a head angle of more than 61 degrees is obsolete junk ridden by noobs and other people who suck at riding.

Looks like the whole 6-Fattie trend is officially dead. The S-Works SJ 650 was the official bike of people with VP in their job title who can’t ride bikes worth a damn.

No more Ohlins?
  • + 19
 If they split the difference sizing wise between the regular bike and the Evo, they wouldn't need both versions. One is too conservative and the other is full nutbar.
  • + 3
 @jclnv: it’s still a trail bike right? Seems on the money to me. But totally agree about the evo...they’re just trying to out-slack everyone else. Why would I want a dh bike with no suspenshanz?
  • + 2
 I'm asking the same. No Ohlins?

Graves still has it on his race bike.
  • + 5
 @ThomDawson: I know what would put Pole and Geometron out of business. Take a tandem, remove the front seat and cranks. Done.
  • + 9
 @WAKIdesigns: Paul Aston will still say it isn't long and slack enough for him.
  • + 1
 @wibblywobbly: That's true. Unfortunately Paul and Chris know more (by luck or intellect) than the rest of the industry. You want a DH bike, follow their lead like Transition and S-EVO
  • + 2
 @Soilsledding: in this way according to "Ask me anything" Jared Graves has no clue Big Grin
  • + 26
 Gimme that Evo in a Frameset only option and let's see the magic happen.
  • + 23
 yeah what is the deal with that. I want to build it like a damn subway sandwich.
  • + 6
 I'd def take a frameset too. But you could always ebay the shit you don't want.
  • + 7
 @mxben13: I do not like veggies on my bike.
  • + 3
 @rrolly: Don't worry... Subway is not serving veggies. They are serving objects genetically grown that resemble vegetables. They have perfected the visual side, but the flavor...? Tastes like a Session. Everything's the same!
  • + 24
 That promo video is tops. I liked the "live" comments -- sounds familiar. Seems they read the Pinkbike comments.
  • + 11
 I do. They are funny.
  • + 2
 What's Pinkbike?
  • + 4
 "Looks like a session" Big Grin
  • + 3
 "S-Works Dentist Model"
  • + 1
 This whole bike and video is proof that they do read these forums/posts, and do care about our input. I really am considering one of these bikes again...
  • + 16
 That video was forking funny. I just wish they made a bit of self humor and included a SWAT team led by a lawyer entering someone’s house.

Specialized fanboi - guilty as charged
  • + 17
 We ran out of budget.
  • - 1
 @ischiller: @ischiller: bummers! Anyhoo, great stuff, possibly best in the industry right now. IMHO
  • + 6
 @WAKIdesigns: Appreciate the note. I put a nod into Waki in the scrolling comments. Look for WokePlans.
  • + 1
 @ischiller: how dare you?! You do realize I am full on long time a Specialized fanboi! Enduro 29 S-Works coil possibly best mountain bike ever man! Big Grin
  • + 7
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm a fan. Honest. #keeppinkbikenuts.
  • + 2
 @ischiller: sounds like Waki has grounds to sue the Big S haha
  • + 2
 @ischiller: Caught fuLLFaceTOM in there and I'm pretending I got referenced.
  • + 2
 @fullfacemike: Perhaps Mr. Fullfacemike. Perhaps....
  • + 1
 @ischiller: I certainly hope so because I just quit my job to take up being a full-time celebrity on account of it.
  • + 1
 ummm.. I hate to interrupt this dialog, but I just want to chime in with the fact that this video is funny AF, and I'd actually buy this DHmau song. I love stuff like this and ifht popping up in my collection. Customers like it too.
  • - 1
 @nuttypoolog: I must say this press release is the first sign of spring. It charged me with energy. I am so happy I want to polinate.
  • + 2
 @nuttypoolog: We're working on releasing the track. Stay tuned.
  • + 1
 @ischiller: Finding Demo? Searching the deep for a lost carbon frame?
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Your on another level that I can only hope to achieve.
  • + 13
 19.999% stiffer. I like that. Don't dumb it down, tell it as it is. Eat that SRAM, rounding off your crank axle diameter to 28.99mm.
  • + 12
 Gotta say, been riding Transitions, Konas and Yetis over the last few years, and have been very happy with them especially the SB5.5, but that Specialized promo vid was awesome.
  • + 11
 I like how obvious it is that manufacturers read Pinkbike comments. What other industry do you get that direct connection with such large companies that are actually designing products for us? Pretty decent, all with a sense of humor and an understanding of the BS and sarcasm. I like it, nice job big S....along with Transition and others.
  • + 9
 Say what you want about the big S but you can't say that they're tone deaf to trends and don't bring out gear with a lot of fresh tech that is well thought out and actually useful. These new stumps look like a home run. That vid was also REALLY well shot and produced.
  • + 8
 Wait wait wait, you mean to tell me, the global conglomerate, trend setting, new standard introducing, monster company that is Specialized ACTUALLY LISTENED to what the customers wanted? The fck just happened? did hell freeze over?
  • + 10
 Great vid.

Jesus if you had told people in the "NORBA geometry" era that we'd be riding 63.5 HA on a trail bike....
  • + 11
 And this, kids, is how you market to the Snapchat generation.
  • + 10
 Specialized had this design before Orbea with the Demo8
  • + 9
 please sell the EVO as an alloy frame only at a reasonable price Specialized, thanks.
  • + 9
 No more Ohlins thank god and no more proprietary bs square mounted yoke, thank GOD!
  • - 1
 I am not sure that’s not a strut mount still, and have you tried the ttx22m?
  • - 5
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 17, 2018 at 3:15) (Below Threshold)
 @MX298: too yellow, doesn't fit anything.
  • + 3
 @MX298: yes I have the ttx22m on my DH bike and it's pretty good. However on the two enduros I've owned I've broken four stx22, they rode pretty well but were complete junk for durability. Finally installed a float x2 and haven't looked back.
  • + 3
 @Trudeez: I agree, the stx is junk. And I think your right, it looks like the specialized strut mount is gone. Their 40 cartridge and TTX are best though.
  • + 1
 Yeah the TTX is hard to shit on
  • + 8
 My gf had to point out to me the marketing guy pouring the kool aid. Clever.
  • + 5
 Kind of bummed on the ST. Thought it could be a contender for next bike but the gap between the first two models is huge $1850 and then $4200. $1850 is just trying to get people in the door like a base model Toyota Corollas. And then for a $4200 you aren't getting much there as far as parts go. SLX everything with an XT derailleur, Specialized branded components up and down (not saying they are bad just looking for the price justification), x-fusion dropper and a Fox rhythm fork?

Why isn't this spec more competitive with competitors and how is there nothing in between these two models?
  • + 3
 "In CAD, we were able to put the new 3D shape against the last iteration of the Stumpjumper, and with Finite Element Analysis (FEA), we were able to prove that the new layout was 20% more efficient."

That's weird, because I run FEA all the time and none of the results it outputs are efficiency. Maybe have a qualified employee read through your press releases before you spew your bullshit all over the uninformed.
  • + 8
 Orbea is that you?
  • + 15
 specialized demo (the downhill bike)
  • - 1
 Enantiomere of the Rallon!
  • + 3
 Demo was first bro
  • + 1
 Yeah man, they got their Stump-on
  • + 2
 This marketing BS... "and what we arrived at was a vastly more efficient structure" -- Specialized. Do I believe it? No. Will the average rider walking into a shop believe it? Yes. Is it just me or every time I walk into a store carrying specialized I just get loaded with BS about the bikes. Not to mention a very poor bang-to-buck return on most of their bikes.
  • - 1
 They've definitely got a certain rep in the bike world. Seems that the shops that carry them are more interested in moving whatever they have on the floor vs finding the right bike for the customer. But, I feel this is a thing in a lot of shops for a lot of brands. Maybe this new breed of S is the sign of changes to come?
  • + 2
 My favorite part of the video:
No more proprietary BS.
Finally. Now all they need to do is apologize to the rest of the bike world for holdinga death grip on the copyright on the Horst Link (expired now) and all will be well with the world.
  • + 2
 @specialized, for the past few years you must have been the sole provider for the taller end of cyclists. Not sure how many dwarves you've hired in the last year but what the actual f#)k is 470mm reach. I'm sitting here with 2 other people that are 6'5+ that currently ride XXL Stumpys, you just lost 9K in 11 seconds.
  • + 1
 That's ok, Guerrilla Gravity's XL is even bigger than a XXL Stumpy with better geo, better suspension, and made in Colorado.
  • + 3
 @GTscoob: Bobby is laying down the FACTS! If you're an outlier, GG's XL is for you.
-MMTasty
  • + 1
 @GTscoob: @nuttypoolog: funnily enough I had been giving these a lot of thought recently but I hadn't long bought a CCDB coil for the Stumpy which won't fit on the GG but this seals the deal.
  • + 2
 As long as they have been able to build it so Graves shifter is a loooong way from his damn knee!! It should be a measurement in the Geo chart! But saw him testing M and L over on Vital looking like he prefers the M thus bringing shifter closer to ones knee..... risky
  • + 5
 That video was absolute genius! wow. I would buy any bike that was designed by a guy named Todd.
  • + 1
 2 Todds...
  • + 6
 Great promo vid! *sips the kool aid
  • + 2
 That's awesome but good luck not pedal striking everywhere on the EVO, a 328 mm bb height is too low. Also, did they add the lowest iscg 05 mounting tab back? Because with a BB that low you'll NEED a bash guard. I have no idea why they removed that.
  • + 7
 No worries! Transition's 1st gen Scout BB height was 330... Sure did pedal strike, but not nearly as often as you would think. Who pedals through rock gardens anyway?
  • + 1
 Run 165mm cranks.
  • - 5
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 17, 2018 at 3:08) (Below Threshold)
 @jclnv: or learn to ratchet and time pedal strokes. Possibly too much to ask from someone who is just about to buy their 5th S-works... also why would you stand up and mash a harder gear standing when you have the priciest dropper and one of the priciest seats in the business? And if i tell you to ride over a boulder on a steep climb instead of around it? I'll just get myself the hell out of here.
  • + 2
 Colour me impressed. Great vid, with what looks to be a solid product. I dig a company that can take the p!ss outta themselves. Threaded BB FTW. First bike I've been excited about since the 2014 Kona Process.
  • + 2
 It will be interesting to see the build weights on these. If they can get the ST Carbon Comp (or Stumpy) down to 24lbs for an XC day then swap the shock for more rowdy days, thatd be awesome.
  • + 1
 “Jamesthebikeguy” over at youtube has weighted the 29er “long” travel version incl. stock pedals and tubes. It comes in at 29 lbs (or 13.2 kg) ...
  • + 5
 "19.999 percent stiffer"

Marketing vid is gold!!
  • + 4
 At first sight i thought it was cr@p. Then i watched the video and now i want one.
  • + 3
 I like to listen to my radio at a reasonable volume. ...I also dig the video. Beats the shit out of that stupid ass Goat movie.
  • + 1
 @ jason475: without the goat movie how would you know its a german company? How?
  • + 4
 @Grosey: The efficiency, naturally.
  • + 4
 Looks like Spesh has been reading PB comments and firing their old marketing team
  • + 0
 Why is the 1260mm wheelbase the final frontier for Specialized geometry design?

SJ FSR 29 EVO S3 with its 475mm reach and 635mm ETT is what is usually labeled as size large. C'mon Specialized bring out that S4 with a 500mm reach and 660mm ETT! A1277mm wheelbase is nothing to be afraid of.
  • + 1
 Hmmm, I already wanna change out the rear shock, for something better. Amy recommendations for that?? No. No way in hell I'd buy a frame with a proprietary shock, I though we were past this BS.
  • + 1
 What's with your reading compression?
  • + 2
 ... comprehension...
  • + 3
 That EVO is a good looking bike. I haven't cared about Specialized since forever, but these are interesting options.
  • + 0
 Keeping the same frame for two fundamentally different bikes has always seemed kind of cheap in my opinion. It's not like specialized lacks the resources to make a new, short-travel specific frame (that would likely preform better).
  • + 1
 And this press release doesnt mention at all whether its a difference in shock stroke or yoke or both. Pinkbike coming thru with the hard hitting journalism.
  • - 5
flag zede (Apr 16, 2018 at 23:25) (Below Threshold)
 @mm732: the stroke is really shit, I read (vitalmtb) 50mm for Stumpy 29, 42.5mm for the Stumpy 29 ST and 50 mm for the Stumpy 29 EVO. It's a BIG FAIL. say hi to 300psi and hot shocks
  • + 15
 @zede, the 140mm 29er uses a 210 x 50mm shock, and the 150mm 27.5 bike uses a 210 x 52.5 -- those numbers are very common for those travel ranges, and certainly not anything out of the ordinary.

Recommended shock pressures are around 20-40 psi above body weight depending on the shock model - you won't be running 300 psi unless you weigh upwards of 260 lb, and in that case, yes, your shock will probably get pretty hot.
  • - 5
flag zede (Apr 17, 2018 at 1:23) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer:for 150mm of travel most of the good bike companies chose 57 or 63mm (55 for your nukeproof). I had to run over 200psi on my 2012 reign (51mm stroke) and I was 150-160lbs at the time. Any non skinny guy (read not you, and not me) will have issues, particularly if they specs non piggyback float on the low end versions.
  • + 3
 I think it is clever. If the ST is enough for your home trails, get that. On trips where you need more, you can swap wheels and mount a bigger fork. It is no longer N+1 anymore. We can now do fractions too.
  • + 1
 @zede:

I hear you zede. I think Mike's off on his numbers. But isn't it only an issue if you're using a small air can shock w/ no reservoir?

I'm about 215 lbs and run 280-290 psi in my DVO Topaz on my stumpy29 with a 47.6mm stroke. That gives me a hair under 30% sag. I've also run a 50mm monarch+ on the stumpy and had to go to ~300psi to not sag like a mofo.

Even on the 57mm stroke DPX2 i rode over the weekend on an HD4 I had to go a little over 300psi to get 30% sag.

I guess those shocks can handle the psi though.

I think a 260 lb rider would be close to the 350psi limit on a DPX2 for this bike.
  • + 3
 @WasatchEnduro: yes it is an issue mostly for "small air can shock w/ no reservoir" (the kind of shocks that will be specs on every comp model), still, one would expect that in 2018, trail/enduro bikes are designed around a size of shock that makes sense.
Orbea rallon (which everyone is comparing this bike to) has 60mm stroke for 150mm travel. But no matter how I bring facts, specialized fanboys will keep bringing the neg props, and I will keep riding a bike with nice shock setup.
  • + 1
 @zede:

I think it's safe to assume that most stumpy owners will not be outriding the small air can shock and that riders that are will upgrade to a reservoir shock.

I'd love a podcast tho on shock stroke and little shock performance on trail bikes that are being ridden harder these days.
  • + 2
 I cant believe this new stumpy has 2 wheels, gears, handlebars, front and rear shock and a rider... Awesome advert though and the bike looks really nice.
  • + 4
 Wow I'd love to have a ride on those Evo models.
  • + 3
 No more auto sag either! All standard parts. It’s like they really were reading the comments here.
  • + 2
 Looks like they took a page from the Kona marketing department and tried to poke fun at themselves or at least try to show a lighter side.
  • + 2
 So specialized uses NSMBA built trails for their adds but can't send a couple dollars their way? nsmba.ca/2018-sponsors
  • + 1
 ads*
  • + 3
 Shimano drive train!! Threaded bb! Hallelujah finally someone listened. Hmm St 29er and sod the hardtail off I'm thinking
  • - 1
 Yep. My recently retired 2014 Stumpy Evo 29 was a money pit to keep running in UK winter conditions. The BB30 blew up on a regular basis, including one that lasted 3 rides, and the price of replacement cassettes/chainrings and jockey wheels for X9 drive train was a joke compared to XT (I'm fairly convinced that many SRAM internet fanbois don't use their stuff for long enough to finish off a chain)

It's good they've sorted things, but amazing it takes so long. I can't have been the only rider with these persistent maintenance problems. I felt at times like a bike that was this expensive to keep running in a wet country shouldn't ever have been sold in a wet country, and have gone back to riding a hard tail with the build kit of my choice!

On the other hand the bike was lovely to ride even then, and was actually a bit ahead of it's time for a "mid range" trail bike. It felt like a lot cooler brands out there took a while to warm to the idea for a 29er trail bike that you could rag about
  • + 4
 My 2018 Enduro feels so "last year" already
  • + 2
 How do you find out if the suspension curve is more progressive than the old style??
  • + 1
 yeah I'm glad Spesh addressed all that rear end frame flex with their new sidearm design. it seems they have a unique problem coming up with bikes that have stiff frames.
  • - 1
 Overall, I think these bikes check a lot of boxes for a lot of riders, but who decided on the paint colour for the green Stumpjumper?
That colour fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
It doesn't cost anymore to paint a bike so it looks twice as expensive, as evidenced by the other two fantastic looking models.
Matte black is getting a little dated.
Raw aluminum, white, or silver painted bikes almost always look classy, timeless, and show off the lines of a bike. Neon or fluorescent? Not so much.
  • + 1
 It's what's cool at the moment. The bike fits in nicely at Coachella.
  • - 1
 Kind of the Apple of MTB. They are huge as bike companies go. They are reliable. But they don't really innovate. They follow with the goal of letting the other guys learn what works and then just trying to do it better than they do. They push the koolaid on people, and they are generally in the possession of weekend warriors.

All in all very good bikes, but there is nothing niche or "special" about them.
  • + 1
 Win the model of your choice right here! Thank you Specialized for supporting trail stewardship!

access4bikes.com/giveaway
  • + 0
 Tire clearance was unclear - will the 29ers fit 29x2.8 or larger? Will the ST fit the same tires as other models? (Potentially also 29x2.8? Or do you need go to a 275 wheel to fit bigger-than-2.6 tires?
  • + 2
 Interesting, I had kinda written off spesh as a granddaddy company, too big to evolve quickly. This is pretty impressive.
  • + 3
 The earth is flat, Prove me wrong.
  • + 2
 You caught that.
  • + 2
 Looks like IFHT teamed up with Specialized on that promo vid. Homerun on that!
  • + 3
 The late, great Jason McRoy at 0:59?
  • + 2
 Why is the regular stumpy headtube so mich taller than the evo? 125 plus exterior headset is tall
  • + 2
 2019 SPECIALIZED SLACKJUMPER EVO, 63.5 DEGREE HEADANGLE WITH INNER FRONT TRIANGLE BOTTLE MOUNT.
  • + 20
 We have a Shortjumper, Stockjumper an Slackjumper,
  • + 3
 Looks like a dem... I mean Orbea
  • + 2
 Main evolution Stumpys needed was a threaded bb and a non pedal platform dependable suspension.
  • + 1
 Sea Otter Classic is this weekend right? I feel horrible for the kid at my lbs who just bought his 2018 frame in January...this is a damn sexy bike though.
  • + 1
 Also, would love to see leverage rate charts to illustrate whats really going on. I cant follow all this midatroke support marketese
  • + 1
 Why is it so damn hard for factories to get their geo charts straight. 29er ST has bb height labeled as 27.5x2.6. Attention to detail folks.
  • + 3
 H.R. Geiger would be proud?
  • + 2
 What is the shock size of the evo?
  • + 2
 One EVO for me , please in raw !! Thanks.
  • + 1
 All the new Stumpys are now on geometrygeeks for comparing geometry.... geometrygeeks.bike/search?q=Stumpjumper+2019
  • + 0
 As an engineer that works with FEA I really wonder how they determined and even claim to have proved an eificiency improvment of 20% over the old stumpy!
  • + 2
 Looks like a Cannondale had sex with an Orbea.
  • + 1
 What happened to ohlins im thankful they dont have em but are specialized finally moving away?
  • + 2
 ...and not one stump was jumped. :-(
  • + 1
 The EVO seems to take after Transition's mantra slacker HA, less fork offsets, ~shorter stem
  • + 2
 Can anyone tell me is that 66.5 HA in high or low position on 29er?
  • + 0
 Have specialized out sourced manufacturer to the Basque Country in Spain? That looks exactly the same as the new Orbea Rallon.
  • + 0
 Out of my armchair, geometry changes look really exciting. Was just about to recommend to a friend.
But why is that seattube higher than Snoop Dog?
  • + 2
 Oh Orbea... oh wait... hello from the other side.
  • + 1
 The Mike McAndrews part was un-fuck. So hilarious.
  • + 1
 Stumpy ST ? You've got my interest
  • + 0
 I’m just wondering, with what specialized is trying to do with the ST, why don’t they spec the new fox 34 stepcast?
  • + 1
 I love the video. The bike? Meh
  • + 1
 Why have normal sizes on the evo when you pay the marketing people salary
  • + 1
 Would want to work cause it ain't pretty
  • + 1
 I'd be very interested in an S5 version of the Evo SJ.
  • + 1
 What’s with the stack height on the large 29?
  • + 1
 Fox on the S-Works instead of Ohlins?!
  • + 2
 really, i like it.
  • + 1
 And then the tiny seat tubes.
  • + 0
 The EVO looks killer with the exception of that stack height? Why is it so much lower?
  • + 1
 I feel like If I bought one 5% of the cost would go to making that video.
  • + 2
 And you'd be right. No different than any other bike, though.
  • - 2
 Don't understand how you guys like that video. Cringed through the entire thing.
Evo looks pretty fun, though not sure why the 27.5 geo is much longer than the 29er geo (even wheelbase).
  • - 3
 Yea makes no sense. Typo @ specialized? 29er should have longer reach/wheelbase or maybe I just don't get it
  • - 1
 Yeah. Specially at the whiteboard scene. They're trying to be funny but they're not funny at all.
  • + 1
 @ugez: at all what? I don't understand... Please explain.
  • - 1
 " not sure why the 27.5 geo is much longer than the 29er geo" look at the chainstay length Wink
  • + 1
 these look dope!
  • + 1
 I'm sold.
  • + 1
 Is there no EVO in 27.5?
  • + 1
 In the 29er version.
  • + 0
 Still a Specialized. I'll pass...,
  • - 2
 Asymmetrical=ugly. I guess it makes it cheaper to make though, like walmart bikes having a disc brake only on the front. Saves them 10 cents.
  • + 0
 Orbea Stumpjumper
  • - 2
 Looking on Specialized Social media, they seem to be a road bike and a moped company.
  • + 0
 This is true. Strange attempt at trying to get into the mountain bike game.
  • - 2
 Such an odd advert, but effective as I watched all of it!
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