Podcast: Loic Bruni & Finn Iles Talk to Dean Lucas About Building A Riders Union

Jul 18, 2022 at 14:28
by Dean Lucas  

In this episode of the podcast, I sit down with two of the fastest riders in the world, Loic Bruni and Finn Iles.

Both are teammates at Specialized Gravity and both are currently battling for the top spot at the UCI Downhill World Cup with them both finishing on the podium at the most recent round in Andorra.

Recently though their attention has shifted to fighting a new battle, a battle each and every rider has to face when competing. The battle? To have our voices heard on the world stage when it comes to a number of different issues such as safe riding conditions, fair rule changes, and better prize money.

All of these things we have little to no control over due mainly because of lack of communication and organization, two things Loic and Finn are trying their very best to make a thing of the past.

With rider meetings and group chats now becoming more common within the racing community due to Loic and Finn, it seems like there is a real chance this can pick up the momentum it truly needs.

I hope this podcast gives you all a better idea of the reasons behind uniting all the riders to have a single voice and also the issues we would like to see addressed to grow the sport and make it the best it can be.

Enjoy!


131 Comments

  • 109 1
 Maybe it’s time for a rider run DH series separate from UCI?
  • 19 0
 @unrooted was just thinking this, take some notes from SLS
  • 72 6
 If only the Saudi Crown was into DH
  • 45 0
 Red Bull could run a DH series like the current one. Including Orga, Insurance, Negotiating locations, Media coverage etc. I think riders would flock together to leave UCI behind.
  • 17 24
flag stiksandstones (Jul 19, 2022 at 15:21) (Below Threshold)
 How do these riders compete in the world championships then? if they have no points from racing world cups?
I mean, being the King or Queen of crankworx is cool, or World Tour DH champ, but, as an athlete you still want to win the UCI DH WORLDS.
And if I am an XC rider, and want to go to the olympics, how do I do that without the UCI events in my diet?
  • 6 0
 Good ole Local 69
  • 4 0
 @hardtailhowie: MBS is controversial.
  • 30 1
 @stiksandstones: you get all of the riders to ride the new DH series and UCI can go f-themselves.
  • 1 0
 @stiksandstones: I think that's probably the biggest sticking point in all this, riders may have to decide between having more control over competing in the Worlds/Olympics and as you say, tougher for the XC riders as they would be sacrificing more.
  • 10 0
 @hardtailhowie: Maybe they could sell the Saudis on all of the fist bumps that are so prevalent in the mountain biking world.
  • 3 0
 @hardtailhowie: Send them some ebikes and you never know...
  • 14 0
 @stiksandstones: like happened in snowboard with the creation of TTR circuit, with riders flipping the bird to ISF leaded by Terje Hakonsen.
Essentially, TTR is where the top dogs with the good sponsors are, battling in a format that much better suites the creative nature of the sport, whereas the square format ISF circuit is for second tier riders that have no other choice if they want some visivility.
I haven't followed for the last decade, but snowboard world kept spinning no problem.

Snowboarders as a whole agreed that ISF was actually about ski, but they'd be better off somewhere else; same thing with DH. UCI is about road cycling, XC could fit there too, but the dual crown side of mtb clearly doesn't belong there.
  • 2 7
flag yakimonti (Jul 19, 2022 at 18:02) (Below Threshold)
 @unrooted: What is the allure, to a DH racer, to do a 'series'....I'd imagine it's : Prize Money, Exposure (Some live stream) and Spectators? Been to a crankworx? not a lot of people go, the prize money I don't think what a world cup is and ya, has a live stream, but pales in comparison to the World Cup views. UCI XC and DH world cup is the pinnacle, always has and.....well, with redbull out, it will falter. Oh, and your "NEW DH SERIES" who is funding this? it's not free to put on these events.
  • 4 0
 @yakimonti: well I’ve got a 356 page proposal all written up, it only took me 12 years to compile all my research, but if you’d like I’ll email a copy to you. I think you’ll find that I’ve addressed any possible concern that you or anyone else may have.
  • 7 5
 That would be great - spread the already thin sponsor money between 2 different series. Oh brother. To be honest, I haven't bought a single bike in my entire life because someone won a world cup on a certain bike. How much influence do these riders have - particularly outside the top 20? Some drive product development sure, but do they actually influence my buying decision? Sucks to say, but you've got to do it (racing bikes) for the love, cause outside the top 20 it's probably not that lucrative. And if you want a union - then heck - go for it - pool all the money and spread it equally between everyone who qualifies for the big day. Only a couple mountain bikers likely make the same as a mediocre NBA player, because the ratings aren't there (not at the moment, and likely never). Do what you love, love what you do. If you're an exceptional athlete and are focused on cash - try a different sport.
  • 1 0
 @trillot: I have heard about this "golf".
  • 1 0
 @stiksandstones: on the DH side of things, you don't actually need UCI points to compete at World Champs do you? Simply to be selected by your national federation? So it is possible.

Although admittedly, many federations selection policies are built around rankings, so layers of complication there. But possible.

XC though.... much more of a problem. Given that Olympic spots for nation's are qualified from UCI points... you're not about to see XC riders walk away from UCI events
  • 1 0
 If that means 60 or even back to 80 riders in qualifying, and not cutting the field to 30, it's time.
  • 5 0
 @stiksandstones: UCI tittle only has some value because all the best riders are there, put all these riders in a different championship and leave UCI only with lower ranked rider and that title will be worthless. Kinda the same happened to the moto enduro world with KTM and RedBull teaming up to organise their own series as FIM was not listening. That was a massive success and because of its success it forced the FIM to listen.
  • 3 0
 @Balgaroth: Didn't know that RedBull already took over some other series by paralleling and overtaking.

Was thinking of RedBull running 2 F1 teams, Air Race, Football clubs etc. - So I figured they could easily pull up a DH series and overtake the current UCI run version.
  • 3 1
 @iiman: First of all, you meant the FIS (federation international du ski) not ISF (international snowboard federation), which was let's say the parent of the TTR. The ISF and TTR were led by snowboarders for snowboarders and had a huge following. Then came the Olympics and everyone needed to compete in FIS-regulated contests to qualify. Unfortunately the ISF and TTR died due to these developments. Now there's the xgames series, dew tour air&style, which are all indipendent important contests. And every 4 years the FIS-contest madness starts again for qualifying for the olympics.
  • 4 0
 @Monarch87: I totally meant FIS, thanks for the correction.
Man, what a bummer, I haven't been following any snowboard since about 2010 and everything was looking so good then.
If there's a vampire out there even bigger than UCI, that's the olympics :/
  • 3 0
 @xice: It was called WESS, I believe due to the fact that the FIM would acknowledge the existence of Hard-enduro so RB and KTM created a championship of their own with all the best names in the world in it, mixing hard and normal enduro and putting the last nail in the Enduro GP's coffin. Now FIM created an official Hard Enduro series which is basically the WESS circuit. When officials don't listen to those who run the show it's always good practice to remind them that without the athletes and sponsors they are nothing but paper pushers and annoyance.
  • 1 0
 @commental: lol but the xc courses aren’t dangerous
  • 3 0
 @xice: later UCI would try to joint, same as what happened with EWS
  • 4 1
 @trillot: Take a few minutes to listen to the podcast and you’ll notice they never mention compensation. The push for a union is mainly about safety concerns.
  • 1 1
 @stiksandstones: That’s true, but it the purse payouts were much, much larger it would cause more than a few to think hard about it.

The XC guys can have the UCI; half of them are roadies anyway.
  • 2 1
 @stiksandstones: World champs is only the pinnacle of DH because the riders and the fans make it so. And that is based on a) who is watching, and b) who the winner has beaten.

Its the pinnacle of XC only in non olympic years. On the road the Tour de France Yellow jersey is far more worshipped than the rainbow.
If we fans and all the racers decided that RB Hardline was the key event of the year, then it would be. People would still enter the UCI (and other) races with the aim of being invited to Hardline.
  • 1 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: agreed. Unless discovery channel figures out a way for people to easily watch the races it will be very easy for any races that are well filmed/commentaried/and available to the public via YouTube or other free video platforms to become the new “elite” level of racing.
  • 1 0
 @sfarnum: Agreed, podcast doesn't mention compensation, but the article does. And if there is one thing you discover when you hear union negotiations, regardless of all other demands - ultimately wages ends up being the biggest factor in working out and agreement.
  • 5 1
 @yakimonti: Been to Crankworx? You mean the busiest week in Whistler? Busier than NY and Xmas? -> Not allot of people go? Oh man, it makes me wonder if you have ever been, thousands of people flock there!
Wont even get started on the rest of the nonsense you've typed out...
  • 1 0
 Rider Confederacy
  • 66 4
 Unionism is a positive position to be in, for all people across the globe. As it’s an unfortunate human trait, where one human is quite likely to take advantage of another human, in order to get ahead or make a buck. The industrial age in the West, saw kids used as tools, to be worked 7 days a week, until death.

We should be thankful that our forefathers had the courage, to risk it all and rise up against such tyranny. Today we see constant attacks from right wing governments, combined with media moguls like Murdoch, to successfully demonised the union movement. They have collective convinced the modern man, that unionism is somehow directly related to communism, and should be ashamed of.

Here in Australia, the Unions over the last 100 years have fought for the right to have….. 5 day working weeks, paid holiday leave, sick leave, rest breaks, injury compensation, maternity leave, free medical treatment, unfair dismal law’s and the right to a safe workplace. Individuals can only complain, but collectively together as a represented group you now have a stake in the game.
  • 8 0
 Preach
  • 8 0
 Well said brother.
  • 17 1
 Where's the Saudi blood money I mean public investment fund to shake up UCI?! Give each rider a cool $20M to fling themselves off of man-made mountains in the Middle East! Granted, LIV might run into copyright issues with the unrelated women's cycling brand.
  • 22 6
 Educate, Agitate, Organize!
  • 12 0
 WTC surfing comes to mind. 1st place men and women pays $100k at each event. live stream is free, beach spectating is free.

Each surfing event has a title sponsor and you watch ads. The live stream is usually excellent and often from very extremely remote areas of the globe.

Definitely more people ride bikes, buy bike parts, apparel, etc, than people buy surfboards and surf apparel. So where’s the $$$$$ going?

There is a huge problem in professional mtb. The bike industry giants and UCI are absolutely screwing the riders and laughing to the bank.
  • 2 0
 That's a good comparison. I couldn't believe that a DH WC only paid 3kEuro to win. Someone is making money at the world cups, but its not the teams or the riders. IIRC the sanctioning fee by the UCI is high enough that a lot of venues don't want to host because they can't make money.
  • 2 0
 That's a pretty darn good comparison. I usually think of Moto, snowboarding, and skateboarding when wondering why the mtb industry seems so bad. But, that wasn't the right way to look at it as these other extreme sports probably sell more product. Pro mtb riders have been used and abused for almost 20 years now, and unionizing isn't going to make it worse for them, that's for sure.
  • 15 1
 I kind of find it fascinating that the riders for Specialized appear to be leading the charge for a Union.
  • 7 0
 or could it be Red Bull sponsored riders?
  • 1 0
 What do you mean by this?
  • 4 0
 @formerbmxguy: Because Specalized was a pretty shitty corporate bike company just a few years ago. Not saying they aren't corporate but they aren't actively suing people for name rights or putting as many proprietary parts on bikes as possible.
  • 9 0
 Well that was extremely disappointing hearing about Rob, Elliot and the rest of the commentating team. I figured they'd be under contract, but hadn't heard anything concrete until now Frown That's going to suck a bit of the enthusiasm out of watching. I couldn't even watch the Worlds last season with the UCI commentator. Pretty sure the guy didn't even know the sport and his commentating was about as exciting as watching grass grow.
  • 6 0
 If Discovery doesn’t at least reach out to Rob, Elliot, etc, they are seriously missing out on an opportunity of a smoother transition.

I expect at least the first year to be at least somewhat of a junk show- having them onboard might help pull some viewers over who would otherwise be skeptical.

That said, those commentators may not even be interested.
  • 5 3
 @vw4ever: get stoked for the GMBN boys to present the world cups!

I'm only like 40% joking, I think there's a good chance that's what they're planning to do.
  • 6 0
 @DeanLucus - Do more buddy, I remember you sending it at KingLake and the VIC DHS back in the day. Keep up the work on the real issues of this sport. Great interview, nice and relaxed. And yeah, I'm old and all my mates don't ride anymore but we love the sport and it keeps us together, even though we don't ride that much anymore.
  • 16 6
 Union Proud.
  • 6 2
 If the money is not there, it's not there. If Red Bull and / or the UCI is making a ton of money off of this, then yes the prize money should be more. But if they are not making much, then don't expect the prize money to be huge. Another point is the sponsors are also making money with their bikes, clothing, gear etc. advertised everywhere. I agree the riders need to form a union. That way they can discuss track choice, prize money, safety, racing calendar etc.
  • 5 1
 Last time I checked the UCI annual report (few years ago), it was putting more money into mountain biking than what it earned. The only event that made them serious money was road Worlds.
  • 12 1
 @ak-77: Someone at the UCI is definitely making lots of money. They're not supposed to run at a profit, they're supposed to put all the money back into cycling. Like all big governing bodies, there would be some very fat salaries up top.
Mountain Bike World Cup is Red Bull TV's number one rating program. There is money there to pay the riders better. The prize money is embarrassingly small.
  • 4 0
 @JamesR2026: Like many other professionals - isn't the prize money peanuts? The real money is in the sponsors. Just look at what the top world cup ski racers are doing. Or, look at Lance Armstrong where he would give the prize money for the tour de France to his teammates. And it was $1 million. But the money Lance made from his other sponsors made that pale in comparison.
  • 2 0
 @trillot: Prize money is always split with the team in road cycling. It is a team sport after all. Lance was not doing anything special in this regard.
  • 1 0
 Where in the podcast do the riders say they’re looking for more money? Their priorities are about rider safety and making the sport more accessible and enjoyable for fans.
  • 3 0
 @JamesR2026: Surely the top UCI people are paid some good salaries. But that money mostly comes from road cycling, just like the money that fills up the (small) hole that mountain biking puts in their accounts. If the UCI would completely drop mountain biking from their programs they would make more money (to repeat, based on info from a few years back).

I have no idea how much Red Bull paid the UCI for being the broadcaster, but they don't seem to make money from free views, it's all advertising for their own product. And if the Pinkbike poll is anything to go by, Discovery will either lose a lot of viewers or make very little money from the WC races. This is the hypocrisy of the PB comment section. Lots of people commenting the riders should get more money, but it should be somebody else's money of course.
  • 3 0
 100% we all love mountian biking but the reality is this isnt pro football (US or the rest of the world's) or like F1. Would I love it it the rides got paid more? Sure they're deserving top tier athletes too. But the hard pill to swallow is the rest of the world doesn't see that. Same argument for why the WNBA does't make more money. Where would that money come from? Hell even right now the World Cup is free to watch on Redbull, which I think we all want to keep that way. Paying riders more means more costs elsewhere. Broadcasting rights, event ticket prices, etc. And the other issue here is if the top 10 or so riders in the world won't ride unless there's more money in it, than there are thousands more willing to take their place on the big stage for much less I'm sure. It's never as simple as "just pay them more".
  • 1 1
 @yoimaninja: Nah. Look at other events with similar spectator counts. Look at the WSL . Free broadcasts, free spectating, $100k to win each event. Surfing reaches a smaller audience than cycling. Redbull's largest broadcast on redbull tv is DH worlds. They money is there. Its just going other places.
  • 2 0
 @ndefeo96: It's interesting to compare to other sports with a similar type of profile. Do the surfers get a salary? Where does the prize money come from, industry sponsors or venue hosting fees or...? Is sponsor money mostly going to event organizers and redistributed as prize money, or does most of it go directly to riders? What are the other prizes, can you make a living if you consistently place around p10?
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 @ak-77: At the last billabong pro, 8 surfers placed 9th. Each of them took home $13k. This event's title sponsor was a niche clothing company. The total purse for men's catagory only was over $607,000. the WSL is a smaller organization, with less reach than UCIDH. Everything about WSL events SHOULD be smaller than a DH world cup, the purse, the sanctioning fee, the sponsorship, the attendance, mechandise sales, broadcast viewership, all of it. A pro DH rider can't pay his expenses and still earn a living off a WC purse, even if he wins all of the world cups, and is world champ. The only way a pro DH rider makes a living is through sponsorship. UCI purse money doesn't even enter the equation when riders are trying to make a living. Why are the surfers paid an order of magnitude better, when their product is worth less money? The corporations involved with UCI say that that money is being made. I'm not saying that a DHWC should pay $100k to win like the WSL, but it would seem that UCI should pay a lot better given the similarities between the two events, and that DH is supposed to be the pinnacle of MTB racing.
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 @ndefeo96: sounds like the downhill people should take up surfing . Then again, the world's most watched sport, football (soccer), does not have prize money worth mentioning either. The money flows differently and some of it certainly ends up with the athletes. I am pretty aware of how it works in road cycling, but what is the financial relation between a DH team and their riders? Are they formally employees? Do they get a salary and benefits? Do we ever get to see the amounts that the riders get paid?
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 @ndefeo96: Why do surfers make more? Ever walked into a department store and seen Troy Lee clothing on the rack? Nope, but there are racks and racks of Quicksilver, Billabong, Hurley, etc. clothing and usually surrounded by surfing posters on the wall to build a brand image.

Sponsoring surf contests and pro surfers helps sell a ton of merchandise, that’s why.
  • 1 0
 @Reno233: bro. UCI dh is sponsored by Mercedes Benz. Ask youselft which is the bigger contract. Billabong or mb? What are you trying to say here?
Also, we can unequivocally day that riders main source of income is not the race purse. You can call the sponsorship money a salary or whatever you want, the point is the money is paid by the team. Football teams make money from the ticket sales and broadcast right from their games, not the purse from winning. Imo football does not have enough similarities to compare to cycling.
  • 1 0
 @ndefeo96: I have no idea what MB pays for sponsorship, that money doesn’t go to promoters. Based on many accounts the UCI’s fees make it difficult for promoters to cover costs, which is who pays prize money. Pinkbike comments show that mtbers may be the cheapest, whiniest people, so if a promoter can’t charge spectators more, then how are they supposed to pay out more?

The surf companies sell a lot of clothing to people worldwide that love the surfing culture but have never surfed or been at the beach, but seeing events and media of the event stimulates buying. I’ve never seen mtb culture being something non-riders want to buy into, so MB probably doesn’t pay much for sponsorship.
  • 1 0
 @yoimaninja: TV deals. That is why a union is important. They can collectively bargain on the riders behalf. Like any other TV deals, that is the no way that drives the industry. If ESPN or FOX sports picked it up, as well as a weekly show, put money into the content quality. The riders cba would likely be massive. It would also dictate what responsibilities the sponsors have as well as the leagues.
  • 4 0
 Chad Reed tried this with the AMA. Didn't work. Ego's get in the way. Sanctioning body can't be impacted by riders. Riders will always give themselves the advantage. Cyclist are narcissists by nature. It's an individual sport. Another fun fact. Lots of contracts are up this year. Bike brands don't need pros to sell product. Mayber Berm Peak will hold the next Discovery Channel UCI Downhill Sponsored by Walmart.
  • 3 0
 These guys are starting from scratch which will be hard to get everyone on board going in the same direction. Hope someone comes along with experience on what they are trying to achieve. A lawyer would be nice, as they need to know thier rights, get some rights agreed to, as UCI / Discovery wont take this lying down being challenged. It seems the teams took twp years to get something up and running for themselves. It would be easier on themselves to talk to other sports people org,s on how to structure this, what their bargaining power really is and how to use it, and have the correct person to represent them. Which isn't Greg M.
  • 13 11
 Serious question. Many of us pay to be members of the UCI which, I’ll remind you the U is for union of Cyclists no less. Why on earth would you need a union when you’re already paying to be in one? Really? How far removed from what they were set up to be have they become?
  • 12 0
 Have you been watching the last couple of years? The UCI follows the money with little to no care for the riders.
  • 10 0
 The UCI is only Union in name at this point.
  • 4 0
 Funny that Union and Syndicate have such opposite meanings from European languages to English. Can't do a literal translation of Union Cycliste Internationale.
  • 5 0
 I guess it depends how you translate "Union" from French to English.

Anyways, as I understand it, it's a "union" of governing bodies, not of riders.
  • 1 0
 @decoverley: Union against the riders. My industry is the same, all teh companies are in a union and they set wages, none of the workers are haha.
  • 2 0
 ...many of us?
  • 3 0
 In French, "Union" doesn't carry the same meaning as "union" in english.
  • 2 0
 They are referring to a Rider's Union where collective bargaining ensures that the riders are treated fairly and have a safe workplace and a voice - everything @up-left-down-right: said above..
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 @suspended-flesh: I guess the irony is lost for people where English is native language: Had Bruni been speaking in is native language he would be referring to it as a Syndicat.
  • 1 0
 The Union in UCI is pretty close to the Union for police. Not really a union in the sense of the word as it pertains to labor rights, and generally greater rights for non-union laborers as well.
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 @miguelcurto: Seems so! In English (usually) a Syndicate is a criminal mob like the Mafia. 'Crime Syndicate' is commonly used. Now I understand better. I studied French for 3 years in 'Lycee' , too, but I guess I have made roonm for different, more useless data dans la tête!
  • 1 0
 I didn’t cry ,but f*ck what a lovely talk ,I like riding my bike a lot ,I’m an not even an amateur,but I do love sometimes going fast on the downs ,like a factory pilot ,and love that feeling like going at your 90% ,and scaring my self ,but I also love to do like they call gravel rides ,like 100/30km rides in my bike in man tires ,cause it’s just riding ,see different things ,taking the time to enjoy nature ,I’ve done many sports,my favorites ones are still TÉNIS and riding my bike no matter what terrain (not road ,to boring)but when people ask me what discipline you are ? I just say to them that I love riding my bike no matter what (yes going down in technical terrain it’s still my favorite by far,but…),I like to ride no matter what whether,cause for me in the end it’s me being free from all this crazy stupid people world,it’s like in those hours I’m me again ,and that it is the best feeling in the world ,even when riding by my self ,it’s just like that emptiness,but in a good way ,but yes riding with others is the number one ,finishing with some beers or wine ,it’s like yes ,I’m alive
  • 4 0
 It's 1700 in Portugal. (American English: "It's 5 o'clock somewhere!")
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 @hellanorcal: hey good luck in your life ,be a sheep ,or just low your head ,and look down ,cause the rest is like you look but your can’t see ,that is life
  • 2 0
 I love how they want to make it a WORLD cup, i know its been said before its more of a "European cup" with visits elsewhere. it should be on every continent bar the arctic. At least 2 races per continent
  • 1 0
 On the topic of an alternate DH series...

Crankworx is one option for this. Once whistler finishes the creekside upgrades (lift and gondola), they'll be able to host a DH race and still keep almost the entire bike park open. They're already doing enough business that shutting down the park wasn't worth it. Soon they'll have capacity for an international event AND the bike park being open to all the fans. The possibility blows my mind. Crankworx is already crazy busy and this would take it to the next level.

Of course the key is prestige. Does crankworx have enough cache to lure talent on the same level as the World Cup?
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 What happens once track walk is completed? My understanding was there’s an opportunity for feedback to the venue/ builders and some changes are made - as happened in Andorra (stumps removed? Retaped in a place? Those last two bridges where presumably going to be too hard to change ie not enough time.
  • 1 0
 Simon Burney was the MTB coordinator for the UCI 2015-2019. He is still listed on linkedin as a consultant for the UCI. He's also listed as working for ESO, the new name for the EWS organisation that will be running all the UCI MTB competitions. I guess on the one hand that makes him well qualified (he's also apparently worked as a presenter of Cycle Cross Racing), but it does also seem like a conflict of interests - having a foot in both camps.
  • 9 4
 Union Strong!!
  • 3 4
 I would like to hear why 'anti-union' people DV your comment.
  • 2 0
 I want to know how many views UCI DH gets to say Monster Energy Supercross. Do the DH riders expect to make that kind of money, or what’s the expectations?
  • 1 0
 Unless you're the best of the best, supercross riders don't make any money either. There are actually less factory rides provided on a Supercross season than for DH World Cups.
  • 3 0
 Where's Dick Pound when we need him?
  • 2 0
 Probably doing porn....
  • 2 0
 Finn remembers Taxco, Mexico as the best event ever - wow, so cool to hear!
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 does anyone even know how much the prize money is??? never seen it talked about anywhere
  • 22 0
 In Bernard Kerr's final Lendzerheide video he went to pickup his winnings with Jenna Hastings. He saw Amaury Pierron at the prize money pickup.

Jenna = 100 Euros for 3rd
Bernard = 250 Euros for 9th
Amaury = 3,000 Euros for 1st Place
  • 38 0
 @t-rick: 100 euros for 3rd is an insult.
  • 3 0
 @t-rick: This can't be real. You're basically racing for nothing if this is true.
  • 27 0
 Everyone knows the real money is in frisbee golf
  • 11 0
 If that is accurate your better off trying win Wyn masters privateer of the week award. However, You have to remember that nobody in professional racing earns a living from prize money.
  • 12 1
 If I recall correctly, Ed Masters got 300 or perhaps 400 Euro for third at the last EWS. It's pathetic. Especially when you consider the winner of an intermediate sprint at TdF gets 500 euro
  • 7 0
 @handynzl: there is a bit more money in road cycling.
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 @PapaGeorgio: Sadly it is, you can look up the UCI document yourself and see
  • 7 0
 @t-rick:
Bernard earned way more than all of them by making that video
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 @djyosh: thank u for this lmao!!
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 @PapaGeorgio: cycling is not tennis or golf. The money (if any) is in salaries and sponsor deals. Not prize money.
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 @bikerbarrett: Oh yes, for sure, 100%. Money coming in from outside of cycling helps them out hugely. This is what Discovery must do though as the promoter - get outside money in to the sport. I am not so sure they can, but let's see what happens on that front. Listening to Finn and Loic speak though, there does seem to be a disconnect already in place (Greg not passing on any information about them having a say, for one, and Chris Ball's seeming indifference to them).

However, there must be money in MTB. If a local event can scrape together $1000 for first place, you would think the top tier should be able to provide more money.

Not sure what the final answer is, and don't want to pre-judge Discovery just yet, but boy, are they running short on time to prove all of us wrong. (Personally, I think they are not allowed to say anything until the end of the season and Red Bull's contract is finished. Put's everyone in a bad place of not knowing for now but Vital did have some screen shots that were not supposed to have been shown publicly (they were taken down) and it did list races at the current venues for next year (I saw it before being taken down) plus a little on plans for races Down Under)
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 @DarkDiggler: oh no doubt. I try and like all of his videos to help him out. Surely though he is making somewhere to afford a Merceded Benz G wagon and an old air cooled Porche. Granted they are old, but the maintenance isn't the cheapest.
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 @handynzl: Intense is putting out $2 million this year in prize money. What the UCI does is horrible.

intensecycles.com/pages/podium-payback-program
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 @handynzl: Don't forget the test event they're holding in Europe in February. I'm very interested in where they plan to hold that, not many places to choose from, unless you like riding in snow.
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 @commental: Indoors, on Wahoo Kickrs, with a green screen. Of course.
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 @PapaGeorgio: The riders are racing because they love it and there is some beauty in that. But for the sport as a whole, it's disheartening. IMO if the UCI really wants to grow the sport, significantly larger prize money is a great place to start. The current prize money isn't enough to get any sane person off the couch these days. They'd rather try to beat shazam for $1 mil.
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 @t-rick: Damn. I'd expect 10x those amounts. That's crazy small...
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 @Struggleteam: *mountain bike racing. F1, NASCAR, Moto GP, etc get paid a good chunk of change.
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 @RBoardman234s: yes indeed but it is a drop in the bucket compared to salaries and sponsorship money.
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 I hope they do, but I doubt they will.
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 MAKE DOWNHILL GREAT AGAIN
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 Their chat about people sniffing about Izabellas pits was funny.
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 Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?
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 Would also love to see some qualies action and juniors.
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 Dust off the plans for DH1! Anyone remember that?
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 Is Loic Bruni's quad big enough or what?
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 Does the UCI have homologation standards for DH or XC?
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 Ahhh, the French can’t resist a good ole union.
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 UFCW1516!
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