deepinit

check my update above...

Well after 4+ years I feel I should update my "review". Let me start by saying I have gone on over 350 MTB rides of over one hour in that time and I *DO NOT* own any other pair of MTB shorts. Just this one pair. I wash and hang dry them pretty much every single time. The shorts are still holding up remarkably well. There is some pilling on the butt area where it contacts my seat. Kind of expected after 350 rides. I was wearing them on a 50 mile trail race where I crashed and broke the seat off my bike in the first 10 miles. I rode 40 miles on the seat rails and had a couple of small mishaps with the pointy part of the rails, so I tore a small hole in the crotch of the shorts. The material really is ripstop - the hole hasn't gotten any bigger. I still continue to wear them since my inner bike shorts keep the boys safe and hidden. My complaint about the waist band is pretty much not an issue any more. It turns out I get sweaty all over when I ride so a little extra sweat around the waist doesn't matter. Great shorts. I will probably buy again for the next 5 years of riding.