PRESS RELEASE: DeityIt has been a long time coming and we are excited to debut the latest Deity pedal: the Deftrap! With a true concave profile that your feet sink into, our signature non-offset symmetrical design to offer more stability behind the spindle, 8 cr-mo pins and 2 nylon pins per side, and a massive functional footprint…the Deftrap is in a league of its own and dead set on becoming the best feeling nylon pedal on the market.
Riders are passionate about our pedals, so when we decided to dive into a new top tier nylon pedal model, we knew we had to exceed their expectations. Oftentimes nylon pedals are treated as an affordable afterthought by brands, but we wanted the Deftrap to leave an emotional response. By offering a “feel” that would rival the highest-end pedals in the world and using the best nylon fiber materials available, the Deftrap is a cost effective pedal that could thrive performance-wise in a World Cup setting, but also be perfect for someone who simply commutes daily to work. It really is a special feeling pedal and anyone who loves the TMAC will understand what we mean.
| Not all nylon materials are created the same though. Did you know that in the pedal manufacturing game there are two qualities of nylon fiber used for pedals? One is widely used and is the standard in this industry due to its cost-effective price and ease of access. However, there is another nylon fiber material available that is substantially more expensive, harder to acquire, and is approximately 28% stronger against impacts and even stronger than that when faced with dramatic weather ranges. This material is used in high load industries and in equipment that experiences extreme forces, high heat ranges, and bitter cold temperatures. It is vastly superior and the clear winner for us during the development and production of the Deftrap Pedal.—Eric Davies (Owner / Designer) |
Full color range available in Black, Orange, Blue, Red, Green, Turq, Pink, Mint, Purple, and Shaolin Yellow
DEFTRAP SPECIFICATIONS:• Inspired by the world-renowned TMAC pedal
• Injection Molded Nylon Fiber Composite Body
• Premium Nylon Fiber Composite material is 28% stronger than Nylon Composite used by most leading brands
• Nylon Fiber blend does not get hung up on rocks
• Non-offset symmetrical design gives the rider perfect weight distribution across the pedal, creating a very stable platform through rough terrain
• Large 113mm L x 103mm W footprint
• Featuring a true concave pedal body profile
• 1.5mm of concave shape in the pedal body per side
• 18mm at the center
• 10 pins per side (8 replaceable steel pins, and 2 fixed nylon pins)
• 2 sealed bearings with oversized DU bushing design is robust and reliable
• Open channeling for mud and snow shedding capabilities
• Not the average plastic disposable pedal...the Deftrap Pedal is fully sealed, rebuildable, and offers superior grip
• Brilliant design for all genres of riding...from Trail, Enduro, Downhill, Dirt Jumping, to commuters
• Full color range available in Black, Red, Orange, Green, Blue, Turquoise, Yellow, Mint, Purple, and Pink options
• 391 grams per pair
• $49.99 USD
| It was fun designing the Deftrap with the goal to pour everything into it and try to make something special. It looks simple, it appears minimalistic, it is definitely in the opposite direction of other nylon pedals on the market, but it feels insanely good underfoot. With a focus on feel, durability, and quality, we treated it like a $150 pedal so we could give riders something special. From the concave profile to our non-offset symmetrical stance and size, literally every person who has ridden on a pair has loved them and we cannot wait for the rest of the world to put their feet on a set!—Eric Davies (Owner / Designer) |
To read more details on the new Deftrap Pedal and the full line of Deity components check us out at
www.deitycomponents.com
fooker didn't pay for better axle and that small KP logo in place of RC logo is most likely a logo of manufacturer, you can find a bunch of identical pedals under different name with same KP logo there
This, or they simply filled the original RF logo shape on the original mold by welding. Seth mentions in the video that the Fooker logo looks like the RF one buth with filled areas. This could be the case if RF actually stopped ordering pedals from that mold.
Anyway, while I enjoy Seth's videos, he went a bit over his head on this one with all the "3d scan" speculation.
is fooker ripping off or copying from race face? no
how doing the exact same thing is ok for race face but wrong for fooker?
now, would i buy race face instead of fooker? yeah of course i want to support raiders, i can easily afford it and i want a better quality product, but again, there is nothing wrong with buying a fooker
I think Asmodia is making the point that RF probably didnt develop their pedal. They probably picked something from a suppliers catalog in china, asked for a few upgrades and then ordered a ton of them.
That is a super common way to do business in every industry these days.
and you'll be right, it wasn't fooker but it wasn't race face either, it was a Taiwanese or Chinese company from which BOTH race face and fooker are buying it
both companies are just re-branding already designed product, which im pretty sure was made by wellgo, they are based in Taiwan and chester is manufactured in Taiwan as well
with that i can agree, you should support your local business and companies sponsoring raiders etc
>or made
but he is wrong about this, fooker isnt doing anything illegal or immoral, i already said it above, both companies are doing the same thing if you think its wrong to make such product than you also should think race face is doing a wrong thing.
the only difference here is that fooker is some random chinese brand and race face is based in US (they are canadian iirc? but owned by Fox)
Some of these Chinese companies on Amazon have the incredible customer service, they know the positive reviews create more sales and they can afford to do whatever necessary to satisfy the customer because the cost is so cheap and they aren't spending their money on advertising or sponsoring pro riders.
As for the copy cat factor, they are pretty regular pedals, get over it. A Chinese company doesn't have to change much to essentially legally copy a product. I've seen fake completely fake $15 POC glasses on Amazon with the logo, that's going too far and I wouldn't buy them, but it's amazing the quality of Chinese watches and knives you can find on Amazon in the $30-40 range.
But it's great that Deity is stepping up and making high quality nylon pedals, I might give them a try when the Fookers give up.
Why should a knockoff cost 30 bucks just because there is ANY logo on it?
BTW that Chester design has some flaws, like not enough pins. That Deity pedal looks better. I am sure that like Wahwah knockoffs you can find all of them in Alibaba. Thats what happens when you produce in China - they have all the knowledge, and leave the marketing to the seller. Why are such simple pedals not produced in the US or EU? Does nobody know how plastic is injected?
Also, it's not only the cheaper labor, these pedal giants like VP and Wellgo have all the tooling, know how and economy of scale to offer you a cheap, reliable pedal and start spiting it how by the millions in a very short time to market.
Plastic injection in the EU is not a problem. Portugal, for example, has two large hubs of mold making and injection. A good deal of car bumper molds are made in PT, just to mention a niche. But I've read somewhere that, interestingly, the hardest part of the pedal to source was the axle actually
And before I get slammed, just wanted to say I have a pair of Chesters (The actual RF ones) on my bike and really like them.
After riding the TMAC's for years I absolutely hate having to ride with other pedals that don't have near the grip or platform size. Lucky for me, I picked a great time to bend a pedal and was able to pick up a pair of the Deftraps to use in the meantime - at 50 bucks this is so worth it for me to have a spare set to ride that feels almost identical to the TMAC's (after the first ride I can 100% confirm this is the case - can't comment on the durability yet).
50$ and under 400 grams . It's like getting the legendary properties of carbon fiber and actually having a strong light weight part that doesn't crack on the first rock strike.
-Would be cool if these were around 300-350g..but just being greedy.
I've owned many different nylon pedals and I'm a big fan..
I own the Deity TMACS now and they are the best pedal I've ever owned! Deity customer service is fantastic too!
>a better company that put time into designing the product
but race face didn't design that product, they bought it from open catalogue and paid to put their branding on top of someone else product, so exactly the same thing as fooker, race face just paid more for a better quality product but its not their own design (unless the axle is, but that part is not being copied) of course their logos are their design as well but thats obvious
i enjoy Seths content but this video is very reactionary and uninformed
given sufficient founds and contacts in Taiwan/China (chesters are manufactured in Taiwan, most likely by wellgo) you can do the same thing, order exact same pedals from open catalogue and put your logos there, you are not stealing or ripping off anyone, you are legally buying rights to sell it under your own name
a lot of things work like that in bike industry, even Pinkbike made video about this while they were trying to design the Donut
@Asmodai is just pointing out what someone with any idea of component manufacturing knows:
- RF is not he OG pedals manufactures, just a brand
- there's the possibility RF didn't even designed and procured the tooling and manufacturing, rather just picked something from a catalogue, with varying degrees of exclusivity for the design
- it's pretty safe to bet those Fooker pedals come from the same injection moulds as the RF products
- this might happen at "Fridays night shift" or even with RF's knowledge if the deal/license experied, they sold the rights, they ceased to order more units or simply didn't had exclusivity in the first place
But, am I the only one bothered by the use of the term "nylon fiber"? It is a glass fiber reinforced polyamide.
Nylon is not a fiber, is a type of polyamide (PA), a plastic, to put it simply.
Nothing serious, but I keep seeing users, brands and the press mixing it up all the time
Anyway back to my lab....
long-time user here, back when you guys still had that pretty gothic font. In recent years, it has been next to impossible to find your stuff in Europe (LBS or online, no matter). That's very sad because I'd like to support you guys instead of UPS/DHL, etc.... If shipping costs more than the stuff I wanna buy, then it's really hard not to look for (cheaper) alternatives.... In any case, thanks for everything! My 31.8mm blacklabel bar is still going strong and is among the most comfortable I ever remember using!
Yup, almost any combination of things you could think of out there to modify properties. Not just glass fill, glass ball fill, short fiber, long fiber, extra long fiber, different fiber materials. Hell their choice of injector location and glass fiber length and % fill would have a lot of strength implications. Ive seen GF fills at 50% or more in the auto industry. Surface finish and mold life goes to hell but you get a strong part.
A 50% glass fill is not uncommon in bicycles actually. "Ancient" stuff like the Magura Julie disc brake master (by most considered "cheap plastic") already had a 50% glass fill. Short fiber still though with their MT range of disc brakes they indeed started injecting longer fibers in such a way that they were actually oriented in a useful direction. To me this process that involves fluid dynamics is pretty cool and doesn't seem to receive the same level of respect that hand lay up seems to be getting. Tape laying like Guerilla Gravity is doing now is pretty cool but then again, Magura has been doing that for their carbon lever blades since 2012 too. Fair enough, carbon lever blades are stupid and GG is cool .
I also weigh 220 and run them on everything from my AM to slope bikes, have yet to break a legit pair. Took a while to trust them hitting 30 footers but even casing they've held up!
Width (how far the pedals sticks out from the cranks) increases rock strikes, as does thickness, but does length really matter as much?
If you have a more supportive shoe, can big foots get away with pedaling a smaller platform like the Stamp1 Small or Burgtec?
Longer pins are fine, but does trashing your shoes mean anything to you?
Is mud clearance important?
Personally, having tried many variants, mid-sole with convex pedals is the best for comfort and pedal grip. YMMV as I find stiffer shoes (RC Hellion) are better with flat to slightly concave shape.
rideissi.com/pedals/thump
CrankBrothers did too: www.crankbrothers.com/products/stamp-1-large
The Chester's no longer have crappy plastic pins: www.raceface.com/products/chester-pedal
Burgtec MK4s said nope too: burgtec.co.uk/product/mk4-composite-pedal
These plastic pins suck imo
All day every day. Bars on every mtb in the fleet (even fat bike) and xc and road whip are the only ones without pedals.