Devinci Announces New Wilson 29er DH Bike

Aug 13, 2018 at 4:25
by Cycles Devinci  


PRESS RELEASE: Devinci


Devinci’s flagship DH ride, The Wilson, first stormed the World Cup scene in 2011. Since then — from pocketing podiums to blazing parks — the bike has set the bar for both innovation and inspiration. Wilson’s lightweight, yet durable, aluminum front triangle is synergized with a rear carbon build for responsive performance that craves aggressive terrain. Coupled with EPS-molded frame tech, where vertical compliance meets lateral stiffness, high-speed handling enters the realm of unbeatable. And so does overall flow, thanks to the Wilson’s Split-Pivot suspension system, with savvy shock positioning that bucks muck and lowers your gravitational center. Wilson DH. Fierce by nature. A force by design.


THE 2019 WILSON 29 - WHAT'S NEW ?

1. 6066-T6 Aluminum frame – Made in Canada
2. Lifetime warranty
3. Low standover height
4. Full Carbon Seatstays
5. Split Pivot
6. Low rear shock mount
7. Asymmetrical construction
8. 2.5’’ maximum tire clearance
9. Carbon Bashplate
10. Chainstay & seatstay molded rubber protectors
11. Threaded BB
12. Adjustable geometry
13. Post mount 200mm
14. Rolling on 29’’ inch wheels (Wilson 27.5 still available)


FRAME TECHNOLOGIES

• Low standover height
Deliver prime stand-over fit, with a super-low center of gravity for enhanced handling.

• 6066-T6 Aluminum frame – Made in Canada
Frames built from 6066-T6 tubesets offer superior durability, incredible stiffness, and a knockout strength-to-weight ratio exclusive to Devinci bikes.
• Threaded BB
Threaded BB for headache-free removal and maintenance.
• Adjustable geo flip chip
Allows you to customize your ride to personal preference or specific trail type.
• Carbon Bashplate
Offer added protection against impact and front wheel projectiles.

• Split Pivot
Separates acceleration forces from braking forces. The result is a buttery smooth ride with hyperactive small bump compliance, increased traction and podium-crushing pedal stroke efficiency.

• Low rear shock mount
Savvy shock positioning that bucks muck and lowers your gravitational center.



Geometry
Wilson 29



GALLERY







AVAILABLE COLORS

Gloss | Black, Silver
Gloss | Red, Yellow


PRICING & AVAILABILITY

Wilson 29 Build Kits – Pricing
Available Now

-X01 DH $6,449 USD
-GX DH $4,199 USD

-Frameset $2,279 USD



See the full lineup on DEVINCI.COM




Rider: Dakotah Norton
Filmmaker: OSM films
Photographer: Klemen Humar & Ross Bell


MENTIONS: @devinci




161 Comments

  • + 174
 I wanted to write a comment that would start a keyboard war, but I can’t think of a good one. So, have a great week everyone. One day closer to the weekend!
  • + 25
 Thanks mate you too!
  • + 6
 @benno92: Well, here in Korea it's a holiday tomorrow and we are 3/4 ish of a day ahead of you so... thanks @slayer!
  • - 15
flag thesharkman (Aug 14, 2018 at 6:55) (Below Threshold)
 Omg you are very trained in the art of kiss assmanship
  • - 10
flag endurocat (Aug 14, 2018 at 7:29) (Below Threshold)
 At least it's not one of those silly high pivot suspensions.
  • + 10
 Pinkbike is such a peaceful place where all 29 haters love to meet ! Razz
  • + 4
 @Matt-Pau: mountain bikers are such a friendly community.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/13687469
  • + 1
 @richierocket: just go north and start firecrackers. I heard they love them up there
  • + 2
 I'm jealous of anyone who'll be able to ride this weekend. Actually, in the other tab, I'm just a click away from buying a Mac Ride for my kid so that I can finally pull out my mtb and at least pretend that I ride.
  • + 1
 In the 190-200 mm travel 29er world they’re is zero mention of travel . Pinkbike is the new Bike rumor
  • + 66
 No Idler pulley...
are Idler pulleys going to be to 29er DH what water bottles are to enduro......?
  • - 73
flag Tmackstab (Aug 14, 2018 at 5:48) (Below Threshold)
 How does an idler pulley relate to wheelsize whatsoever? Do you even know the purpose of an idler pulley?
  • + 82
 @Tmackstab: you are missing the observational joke he made. Take a lap
  • + 16
 @Sycip69er: I've been up since 4am working, maybe I need to go back to bed lol
  • + 0
 tech on"if they choose to have a forward axle path (they do) , they can have so little kickback that puley it's just not needed and antisquat good enough for sprint " tech off
  • - 2
 @Tmackstab: Orrrrrr, stay awake and pound what's on hand?
  • + 1
 This design is actually a super good candidate for an idler. If they raised the main pivot a bit and slapped an idler on there you would get rid of all the pedal kickback and maintain the anti squat and still have decent anti rise.
  • + 4
 @mberrevoets: and they would separate forces like GT did with High Session. Like Kojiro in third chapter of Pokemon, the return of the Ronin Badger. Or in Marketing Departments of all major companies where everything is possible

“Come with me to MD and see the world of pure imagination...”
  • + 1
 @Tmackstab: Get with the program dude everyone knows the magic pulleys are the new 29er ...
  • + 4
 @tuumbaq: Yaah, but it least its still a few years til they introduce the 50T Eagle idler wheel
  • + 44
 I've said it before and I'll say it again, this bike should be renamed The Chainsaw.#longlivechainsaw
  • + 14
 Or at least make a chainsaw edition. % of proceeds go towards building community bike parks and kids mtb camps
  • + 17
 It’s a lose/lose situation if they do that. If they get any margin on a chainsaw edition bike then they’ll be seen as using his death for profit, and if they don’t then they’re probably throwing away sales because many people who would buy a chainsaw edition would probably also buy the current bike anyway
  • + 2
 @kleinblake: They could have stuck with the name theme and called it the Smith. That would be OK I think, and far enough down the track that it would be seen as paying homage, rather than trying to cash in.
  • + 28
 Kudos for keeping a 27.5 option.
  • + 9
 I clicked through to the website and see that they are using the never seen before prototype RockShox DHX2 Shock
  • + 3
 I would be so curious to see say 12-18 months from now what 29 vs 27.5 sales have been for a number of these bikes/brands.
  • + 9
 #27.5ain'tdead
  • + 16
 I'm starting to get scared that 27.5 bikes will disappear.
  • + 1
 @heavyp: what's the warranty look like on that? That must mean Fox and Rockshox will service it? Sweet deal
  • + 2
 26 can fit !!!! Mmmm like those 24/26 bike b4 !!
  • + 1
 @skelldify: Yes me too. And I like 27.5 bikes so much. Are we old skool ?????
  • + 3
 @skelldify: @skelldify: they totally will... just like 26" did. sure a few niche uses will mean some will be about but generally speaking 27.5 is dead from here on.....now you know how the 26er crew felt. marketing doesnt give a poop for what you like its all about moving you on to the next big thing.
  • + 5
 @rabidmonkfish: If that's the case, I'm seriously considering going back to trail running...
  • + 4
 I can see the utility of 29 for racing but tough to see why I wouldn't want 275 for the park
  • + 2
 @skelldify: just carry a bike on your shoulder cyclocrosser
  • + 6
 @skelldify: We short Asians will do our best to keep it alive, don't worry.
  • + 1
 @Foes2001: You'll have to run 10% sag or going to dig trenches with your bb in every burm...
  • + 17
 Decent “value” for the money at first glance. They didn’t cheap out on anything egregious. Would rather have half the bike made in Canada than all the bike made in China.

This thing is going to be 3-4 grand less than some of the other 29 DH bikes coming out at MSRP.

Remember how the Gambler and the Maiden talked about how you could still run 26 on them. And how nobody actually ran them 26. I wonder how many people will actually run 27.5 on these.
  • + 12
 Imho it´s a completely different situation.
When the 650B hype hit, manufacturers were making it pretty clear there won´t be any other viable option but 27,5. That pretty much killed all enthusiasm for 26" because let´s be real, you won´t build up a new super bike and make it look outdated due to wheelsize. People were even scared there won´t be any spare parts left the next year!
With the 29" push, manufacturers are pretty hesitant themselves. Most offer variable frames or at least offer frames for both wheelsizes.
Sure there will be people who might try 29". I would like to try it myself just out of curiosity, but then again as this is just a hobby to me, i´m not willing to sacrifice any more strength in my wheels than i already did with 27,5". I´m also not sold on the capabilities of 29" tires. They seem more prone to failure due to less material used to keep them a reasonable weight. As with everything they are a compromise and everyone needs to evaluate for themselves what he/she values more in each wheelsize.
Add to that that some people will be outright scared of the bigger wheels due to body height limitations or because they are a beginner and i´m pretty sure there are many people who are more than happy to keep running 650B.

I agree this is the most reasonably priced bike released in a long time.
Proven design, good parts spec, great guarantee, made in Canada, and even available through your LBS if that´s important to you. Hats off to Devinci for delivering a bike for the real world!
  • + 14
 IMO, what's going on here is that 29er wheels aren't great for the rear on DH bikes, as they're a bit of a nightmare to design 200mm of suspension around (the smaller sizes of 29 V10 even have reduced travel.). But they have enough benefit on the front to make these bikes worth it, for some racers, and they have to use a 29 in the rear to get that, as the UCI has a rule against mixed wheel sizes.

Without that rule, I think we'd be seeing a lot more bikes with a 29er front wheel, and a 650b, or maybe even 26" rear.
  • + 5
 @groghunter: which begs the question, when will UCI wake the f*ck up and let the industry find out what's really better?
  • + 1
 @groghunter: yes! Mixed wheel sizes! I've been playing with it and I do find you get most of the roll over feeling from the front wheel, while keeping the pop of a smaller rear wheel.
  • + 13
 Yah I'm gonna keep riding my 2014 Wilson until even ebay runs out of 26 tires. Things rails corners like a banshee. Glad to see they're keeping 27.5 build and frame-only options
  • - 1
 hahaha
  • + 14
 Since when was a threaded BB a "feature"
I wouldn't buy a bike without that - pressfit is a piece of sh**
  • + 3
 yup, the solution to a problem no one had. press fit is nothing but a pain in the ass.!
  • - 9
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 14, 2018 at 7:18) (Below Threshold)
 So you wouldn’t buy any Trek or Antidote Dark Matter solely because of pressfit BB?
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: yes, but that's because I had a horrible experience with trek a few years back and because I don't buy boutique bikes. My Operator is pressfit and has been fine for a year of park use so far...
  • + 7
 @yzedf: so, it's not just about the pressfit...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: nope. Funny how purchase decisions are like that. I tend to buy what I hope is a forever bike in any given category. So far I've only sold one old bike, the previously mentioned trek.
  • + 2
 @yzedf: at first it just sounded like BB type was your main criteria. Cheers!
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: former car mechanic, so I don't really care either way. Easier to remove a pressed in bearing or cups than a seized threaded bb.
  • + 0
 @yzedf: that's the theory, the reality is most pressfits suck. They creak sooner or later and that sooner happens sooner than in case of most threaded BBs. Any senior bike mechanic will tell you that. But I am happy to live with the trade offs (like my Anti) What I cannot understand is why some companies like Trek (and Spec used to) use pressfit for no reason at all. BB92 allows for unique frame designs, but Trek has no uniqueness, they win nothing by using PF.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: why would you buy any bike with a press fit bb? There are so many choices now you don't have to settle for crap anymore. I know making a press fit bb is so so so much easier, but if you actually ride and maintain your bike it simply doesn't work
  • + 2
 @jjcrawley: because I buy bikes for all sorts of reasons. Like price, amount of travel, geometry, wheel size, tyre clearance, rear hub spacing, suspension, failure potential and what is available. I am never in a situation when money is no object. If i find something that I like, that hits closest to my optimal compromise, I really couldn't be bothered by BB type or headset type. I am also highly aware of the fact that bike purchase, like car purchase are highly irrational decisions. But I find basing choice on BB type as one of main factors, to be more irrational than most decisions I have ever heard of.
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: Better man than I, which I can respect. My wife would kill me if I bought a frame with a press fit bb, a super boost dropout, external cup headset, 29" rear wheel size, 130mm+ head tube length, 450mm+ seat tube length, internal rear brake cable, proprietary shock mount, or any other really dumb standard. But she's smart as a whip so ymmv.
  • + 2
 @jjcrawley: my wife would kill me if I told her that we will not buy this bike she liked after trying it, because it has too long headtube, too little POE in the rear hub, or too narrow rims. Hell yeah, I met girls who are more particular about certain things than most dudes I know (like a friend who absolutely had to had carbon cranks, out of nowhere, carbon cranks that's it!) These are just bikes, they don't ride themselves, the more I know, the less it seems to matter. From time to time, everyone should ride a genuinely shitty bike in a terrible state on gnarliest trails their are has to offer. It exposes who you are. #conquertheinnerbitch
  • + 7
 @WAKIdesigns: some pressfit standards are better than others. Just like some threaded standards are better than others.

Let's be truly pedantic and argue grease vs antiseize on threaded bb...
  • + 0
 @finlay Totally agree. If I see press fit, will not buy under any circumstance. A lot of people say this is an extreme view, but most don't work on their own bike or appreciate things that are mechanically superior.
  • + 1
 @yzedf: some PF standards are NOT better than others. They are all terrible. Also grease vs. antiseize is not a pedantic argument. One is correct and one is not. But I can see why you are OK with PF if you think so.
  • + 0
 @DriverB: to be delicate I’d say that chosing a bike based on a BB type it has sounds even weirder than chosing a bike based on wheelsize... like Musashi said, you have to understand what way of life you are taking: are you a warrior or a blacksmith... at some point each single expertize has diminishing returns and can take from the other. Type of BB really doesn’t do anything else than some are more irritating than others. If tou cannot cope with that irritation (like chaning PF cups more often than threaded BB) to the point where you start to believe that it has some bigger meaning in performance... you are off the rails. And yes some PFs are better than other. BB30 does nothing for bike design, BB92 allows for design solutions unattainable with 73mm threaded BB.
  • + 12
 I honestly dont understand how a bike made and manufactured in Canada is cheaper in the states than hete in Canada itself. Really bugs me.
  • + 5
 just the exchange rate. I'd never used a VISA outside the US til I came up 3 years ago to Whistler. Came home and $7.50 Canadian was $5.00 US.
  • + 1
 To be fair that MSRP also doesn’t take into account plastic hair’s tarrifs. I’m willing to bet they won’t sell that much south of the border once that reality hits.
  • + 1
 Well maybe start off by looking at comparable business expenses...taxes, rents, environmental compliance regs...
  • + 3
 @jrocksdh: Devinci is in Québec, there is no greater hell for a business...
  • + 13
 I wasn’t going to buy this but since the front triangle is synergized to the rear I just have to have it.
  • + 3
 The meaning of Synergized gets me even more excited about the bike! The first bike that understands team work!
Oh Yeah!

"To put it simply, synergy means "two heads are better than one." Synergize is the habit of creative cooperation. It is teamwork, open-mindedness, and the adventure of finding new solutions to old problems. But it doesn't just happen on its own"
  • + 10
 man these downhill wagon wheelers really seem to be gaining momentum
  • + 3
 they're really rolling over the competition
  • + 1
 it's all downhill from here
  • + 6
 I'm a fanboy for Devinci but the marketing is a bit over the top.
"podium-crushing pedal stroke efficiency" on split-pivot. Who writes this stuff?
  • + 6
 I would really like a white colourway with a single red hand print on the headtube.
  • + 5
 The frameprice ist really reasonable for Made in Canada Heck the Alu Nomad frame with a less expensive shock is nearely the same. Go Devinci!
  • + 4
 ...So carbon frame's use a plastic rock deflector, and AL frames use a carbon rock deflector? Does this have anything to do with that metric system I keep hearing about?
  • + 6
 $6500 for the XO1 build! Giving Commencal a run for their money, eh?
  • + 7
 The most expensive build Commencal supreme is a $1000 less
  • + 4
 @lewispea: the commemcal build that you're referring to also is a gx build with jank code r brakes
  • + 3
 Also, the nearly equivelant devinci gx build is $1000 less than the commencal
  • + 4
 @Mntneer: and no brake jack on the Devinci courtesy of Split Pivot
  • + 3
 @bizutch: there isn't really a comparison at all.

Someone just always has to chime in about how great commencals are.
  • + 5
 Respect on the pricing and spec. $5k CAD with a real wheelset (RF Arc + DT 350's), real suspension, GX 7 speed, Code R's, Minion 3C DH casing, RF Atlas bars etc. No cheaping out in the usual places.
  • + 6
 I think I'm gonna stick with my 2013 26" Wilson Smile
  • - 9
flag spaceofades (Aug 14, 2018 at 15:32) (Below Threshold)
 get with the times, 26" wheels barely count as mtb anymore. You're riding a kids bike now.
  • + 1
 So a "Threaded BB for headache-free removal and maintenance" but yet it appears all of their trail bikes have press-fit? When will threaded BB be "in" again?
The only company i know of out there still using threaded on everything is Knolly, are there others?
  • + 4
 Here's hoping the Spartan 29 will have a threaded bb. Transition and Banshee also have threaded bbs on everything but I reckon there quite a few others. Even Specialized is using them on alot of bikes.
  • + 6
 Their new Troy also has a threaded BB.
  • + 3
 Banshee and canfield as well
  • + 9
 Santa Cruz
  • + 6
 Evils are all threaded
  • + 8
 Guerilla Gravity
  • + 6
 The new Troy has dem trendy treadz.
I saw the new Spartan and it has dem trendy threadz too.
Now the Wilson has 'em.
The next slacker/longer/lower Django will have them too.

Pinkbike, we won!
  • + 1
 Nukeproof
  • + 1
 @mollow: careful...you'll inflate Waki's ego...or incite one of his rants.
  • + 3
 Short people whining about 29ers not being fun or cool is like people that can't swim whining about the water being too cold.
  • + 2
 Geo looks pretty good to me...personally I'd like a slightly steeper head angle because aus tracks are pretty flat generally but otherwise spot on!
  • + 5
 1330 wb! Holy sheet
  • + 5
 That’s what caught my eye. Rip to hanging bike off the chair in whis.
  • - 1
 if you just compresse it to his sag , it's probably more like 1250 wb ... that a forward axle path , bike shorten a lot on compression , probably around 11 cm ... that's 1210 at full compression , not that bad.
commencal have 1307 in XL , with 63 head angle ... pass it to 62 , there is same lenght , except that commencal will shorten like ... 6 or 7 cm only ?
  • + 3
 @Megazzz: the commencal has a high pivot so it actually lengthens considerably under compression
  • + 1
 1330mm Wb, it's the same on my XL Mondraker Crafty with -2° angleset.
  • + 1
 @morrisgabriel: They have a sign in the Fitz lift line this year that XL 29er's should only be loaded in the bike trays and not on the hook... not sure what they do on Red/Peak Chair haha.
  • + 1
 @gramboh: With a Session29 (1295wb) they let me on red but they had to call ahead so at the top it would not drag itself under the chair. I guess next year they will have to either make some slight changes or make use of more signage.
  • + 3
 A more accurate representation of what I'd do on this bike would be the video ending with Dakatoh's innsbruck crash.
  • + 3
 Not a fan of McDonald's colorways but a sick looking bike nonetheless.
  • + 3
 When's the review @paulaston?
  • + 2
 I wonder how it handles in the tight tech stuff at lower speeds and tight turns without berms.
  • + 0
 Better than 650b, like all other 29ers...
  • + 2
 A german mtb Journalist who tests a 27.5 vs a 29er at different tracks and races said that he would prefer the 29er even in Spicak, which is the tightest and most technical track on the edc calendar this year.

www.mtb-news.de/news/2018/07/25/gregor-in-gefahr-ixs-edc-spicak

But still, this Wilson seems very long, even for a 29er.
  • + 0
 Someone else said it recently, these bikes are designed to be ridden the 1% of bike riders, yet they keep getting marketed to mere mortals.
  • + 1
 Corvette theory of marketing. You buy the Cavalier because you aspire to one day "upgrade" to the Corvette.
  • + 2
 @bizutch: pretty sure this is why the Chevette was made and not the Cavalier!
  • + 1
 I would kill for a Wilson, probably wouldn’t get the 29er but I would still give it a go!
  • + 1
 BTW Pink Bike, how come we haven’t seen first ride reports on the new Troy 29 and Wilson 29?
  • + 1
 An entertainment value, I give it five stars and I’ll even ride the McDonalds version!
  • + 1
 460 chainstay? a small sized bike with 1266 wheelbase? Lots to think about.
  • + 2
 Jeez, just release the Spartan 29 already!
  • + 1
 It's coming soon what I heard from very reliable sources! ;-)
  • + 1
 @fourthvisuals: kennsch de gnaui Tag vo de Veröffentlichung? Dank dir, gruss us SG
  • + 2
 Waiting the spartan 29 come on...
  • + 1
 Its basically a troy with more travel. (I built one)
  • + 1
 they really like to play with us, Threaded BB on a 29er lol
  • + 1
 Shame that the gunmetal frame in the diagram isn't a paint option...
  • + 1
 Sooooo nice Drool great to see the threaded BB too!!!
  • + 1
 Welcome to the party, go get ya some.
  • + 1
 This makes me want a Maiden now.
  • + 1
 For those who need spaced armor on their BB.
  • - 1
 29ers are cool and all... but what if I'm still tryna shred 27.5? I wish devinci and other companies gave you the option between the two with two different frames
  • + 5
 They have 2 build options and a frame only in 29. They have 5 build options and 2 frame only options in 27.5 available. Not sure what more you want.
  • + 1
 @yzedf: Well, the 27.5 models are the same as the past few years, would have liked to seen them get a similar update to the 29. Metric, new kinematics, etc.
  • - 2
 Who cares?? Where is the Spartan 29er? Does that mesn we need to wait even longer? Thought its gonna be released at CW Whistler... doubt they gonna release teo new bikes
  • + 2
 They're rolling into shops so press release will be within a week
  • + 1
 @mollow: thanks, you have some more infos? Cant wait! Travel? HA? Coil shock?
  • + 1
 @Foxy87: threaded bb, superboost, 160mm rear travel 170mm front. HA looked close to 65 but can't confirm (there is a flip chip). The one I saw was the same bronze color as the new troy and had an air shock.
  • + 1
 @mollow: thanks mate!. On Instagram they said its just boost though. Anyway. Really hope they will be available in the green yellow color Oton was racing the EWS on. Hope for a coil as well, but its probably just wishfull thinking. So release is this week? Any more infos? ;-)) really appreciate it mate! Thanks
  • + 1
 @Foxy87: that color is indeed really beautiful! I don't have anything else, but last time I saw the new Troy rolling in the shop the press release was in the following week so that's why I'm assuming it's not far. Cheers
  • + 1
 @mollow: I've seen both Spartan 29er colours in person, and that is not one of them. Keeghans one posted on PB is one production colour, and the other is metallic dark green with lime green/highlight yellow writing. The 2019 27.5 Spartan is the same colour as the new troy.
  • + 1
 @leon-forfar: the green color you mention is the same one Oton was riding in the EWS? Any info for release date? Thanks
  • + 1
 @Foxy87: Yup! that's the one. Release date actually got pushed back past crankworx (which is weird since the bikes are already available and shipping for customers)
  • + 1
 @leon-forfar: Damn, the wait is killing me. Want one really bad! Cant wait to testride it. But great with the green color, thats the one I will go for. But 170front/160 rear is confirmed? Brakes?
  • + 1
 275isdead
  • + 16
 26 aint dead yet......
  • + 1
 Awesome video Dak!
  • + 1
 The red fork is gross.
  • - 3
 everyone is going MAD!
  • + 8
 "everyone is going 29"

fixed it for ya
  • - 3
 Sorry devinci, you lost all my love for you with your poor customer service. Done with it.
  • + 7
 Care to share?
  • + 5
 I have had the opposite experience, I am sold on Devinci bikes because of great customer service. In my case, honoring the lifetime warranty with a variety of options, letting my upgrade into a newer Troy. This Wilson looks like a good value and great to see some of it is made in Canada.
  • - 2
 No high single pivot suspension...?
  • + 1
 thats next years all new model
  • + 5
 actually if you rise the pivot and add an iddler your pretty close to an antidote darkmatter
  • + 3
 It is a high single pivot. . . I mean practically, just with a split pivot that isolates braking forces.
  • + 1
 @optimumnotmaximum: have to put the rear wheel on the chainstay for that , curently lookink more like the loved son of a session and a 2010 Sunn radical ... with a Darmatter as lovely uncle
  • + 2
 @optimumnotmaximum: you just made waki hate-cum with that sentence.
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