$80,000 Worth of Bikes Including Two CeramicSpeed Chainless Prototypes Stolen

Apr 4, 2022 at 4:30
by Ed Spratt  

Thieves have made off with over $80,000 worth of bikes after two one-off prototypes and an eMTB were stolen from a CeramicSpeed office in Boulder, Colorado.

The CeramicSpeed office was broken into on Wednesday evening with the thieves taking an all black Cervelo P5 Triathlon bike and a Canyon Lux both with chainless drivetrains and a dark blue Specialized Turbo Levo that featured a standard drivetrain. Currently, the location of the two one-off and very valuable prototypes is unknown but the Levo has been returned with Boulder Police having a suspect in custody.

We first saw the Canyon Lux equipped with the chainless drivetrain when we were at Eurobike in 2019 and more recently the brand saw huge success after its crowdfunding campaign raised over $1 million after only two days to further develop the technology.


Jason Smith, CEO of Driven said in a CyclingTips article on the robbery: "First of all, we’re all shocked and in disbelief. We’ve all read about the increase in bike shop thefts, but Driven is a small company and really didn’t think it could happen to us. I strongly feel we were targeted as a bike company. The thieves only took the high-end bikes. They didn’t touch the laptops, expensive tools, or lab equipment; they just went straight for the bikes.

“The good news is the thieves didn’t take any of our newer development and test bikes. I bet they focused in on the concept show bikes and grabbed those first. I have to say that Boulder PD did an outstanding job. They arrived on scene quickly and got photos of the bikes out to the community and bike shops immediately.

“The true hero of the story is Russ Chandler, owner of [local bike shop] Full Cycle. I believe he received the notification from BPD to be on the lookout for the bikes, and sure enough, he saw a guy on the Levo, and called BPD. This is a great example of spreading the word quickly and awareness of the issue. The cycling community can be stronger than the bike theft rings.”

If you have any information about the incident or have spotted one of the bikes then you can contact the Boulder Police Department here.

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  • 658 6
 $80,000 from ceramic speed? So they took three pulleys and a derailleur cage?
  • 210 11
 Kinda. The main difference is that while the pulleys and derailleur parts can work, the items stolen were conceptual art pieces intended to show how bikes might look in a reality with different physics and material properties from the one we live in.
  • 7 0
 Hahah lol
  • 7 4
 That was supposed to be an upvote...two if they let me. Sorry.
  • 18 0
 @gaberoc: so did they like right click on the nft or what?
  • 9 0
 Good luck shifting those…
  • 2 0
 @gaberoc: well put
  • 143 6
 probably picked the lock with dentist tools
  • 26 1
 Dentists can afford these bikes, thereby not needing to resort to theft, unlike the plebes
  • 8 27
flag yakimonti (Apr 4, 2022 at 10:05) (Below Threshold)
 @dtax this comment better be saved in the 'best comments of the year' article.
  • 9 2
 Find the dentist tools, find the bikes.
  • 109 2
 Ceramic Speed has now realized it was a pointless exercise and now trying to recoup their money on insurance.
  • 33 0
 Hopefully, that’s not the case; but that was my first thought. That drivetrain is snake oil, and that kickstarter was a grift.
  • 4 1
 Accidental negative props given, was my thinking too. Sorry dude.
  • 1 0
 Lol for sure
  • 20 1
 @peterdavidhaile: This snake oil you speak of - decreases friction on chains, yes?
  • 83 2
 Is it just me or do bike brands need to significantly up their security measures. The word is out. Bikes are expensive and easy to fence. Lock down your merch.
  • 19 3
 And why not have gps tracker(tile) on these one off bikes just sitting around?
  • 10 1
 I was going to say the same thing. Especially in Colorado, seems like bike companies in that state have been getting hit over the last year.
  • 5 7
 @jrocksdh: You have something to recommend?
  • 14 2
 @pakleni: yeah, Tile is a product I believe that is what he was recommending.
  • 8 4
 @jaytdubs: Tile - Bluetooth key finder? With range within one room?
  • 5 6
 @pakleni: or an Apple AirTag. Point is there are plenty of options that arent very hard to come by.
  • 4 0
 Easier said than done. It's a continual game of cat and mouse.
  • 7 0
 @jrocksdh: Please provide a recommendation that would actually work.
  • 24 3
 Or how about people stop stealing and just go to work.
  • 10 7
 @m-t-g: sticker: This bike is protected by ride wrap and Smith and Wessen.
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The CO front range has been dealing with a huge criminal group the last few years that are behind most of the thefts. They’re driving vans through walls and sending bikes to Mexico. Don’t think they care about gps and airplay tags…
  • 4 0
 @mountainyj: Great article TY. Its an arms race, its sad but cycling companies need to do like Base Camp Cyclery and harden.
  • 2 1
 @pakleni: Have you tried their new ones? Even the sticker version has much further range than you'd think.
  • 4 0
 @Rokcore: Their own website says the max range of any of their products is 170 meters. How are you going to find a stolen object that could literally have been carted off to anywhere in the state, or country, when you have to be within 170 meters of it?
  • 2 0
 Land air sea 54 perhaps. There are many options out there. I'd work on securing the building too.
  • 2 8
flag NebulousNate (Apr 4, 2022 at 14:52) (Below Threshold)
 @rarerider: yall just gonna ignore the fact an air tag would solve this entirely?
  • 4 1
 @NebulousNate: Not sure about that. There are anti-stalking features built into air tags so that they can't be used to track someone without them knowing. If someone else's airtag is with me (like if I just stole their bike), my iphone would pick up the signal and alert me to it. At which point I could remove the airtag or the bike could just be ditched. It may be useful for a short time right after the theft, but I don't think it really solves the problem like you think it would.
  • 22 0
 On the bright side, the GPS on your bike just got you all the Strava KOMs in Guadalajara.
  • 5 0
 @m-t-g: Okay I’ll try. Steel roll down doors behind your storefront. Steel bollard posts full of concrete in front of any walls, doors, or windows that can be penetrated by backing a truck through them. Reinforce where your roof top units penetrate the roof so they can’t pull them off and climb in. I own a commercial glass shop. I’ve seen a lot of this. It’s sad, but you just have to be more secure than your neighbor. Make yourself a hard target. Kind of like being faster than your buddy when that grizzly shows up. If someone wants in, they’re getting in. Don’t be any easy target, alarms don’t work, and cameras only help with employee theft. Plan ahead or roll the dice and have good insurance.
  • 1 0
 @NebulousNate: Everyone will ignore that AirTag idea because it wouldn't work.

AirTag uses other people's iPhones to show you its location, but at the same time those 'other people' are notified of that.

There are some neat gps devices out there and they work great with motorcycles but the smallest one is still the size of small mobile phone. It coud work if you're a Specialized owner but 95% of the bikes out there just don't have a place to stash such a big device.
  • 2 0
 @txcx166: Does it make sense to spend $400k to prevent $80k of theft?
  • 1 0
 @rarerider: YOU don't have to be within 170 meters. When you mark your tag as lost it will use anyone who has the tile app running to find it. Does it work out in the middle of nowhere? No. If they take it to a big city or put it in a bike shop where people are coming in and out all day you're going to have a much better chance finding your bike than without one. ~$30 for a Tile and a chance at finding a stolen bike is well worth it if most people here are spending $1000+ on a bike. Good luck finding a GPS tracker small enough to hide and a low subscription fee for the service. The other benefit of the tile, which is moot now since Strava offers this service free, is with the $10/month or whatever premium service you could use it as a last known location beacon if you get lost or hurt on the trail and your phone dies/gets broken.

Take photos serial number/bike, hide a tile or other BT tracker, and report bike stolen. Going to be your best shot at getting the bike back IMO
  • 2 1
 @m-t-g: If that’s the case then your building is too big for your needs. A large shop might spend 100k to do what I suggest. They likely have a million dollars+ in inventory. Obviously you’d have to do the math. I’m not writing a business plan for these guys. I’m giving my free advice on realistic solutions to reduce the odds of a break in based on my years of experience in being a business owner and working in a similar trade.
  • 3 7
flag BlindMan77 (Apr 5, 2022 at 14:56) (Below Threshold)
 @mountainyj: Great reason to have better border security, the current administration is a travesty!
  • 3 6
 @m-t-g: An AR-15 and a cup of coffee would do the trick. plus less than a 1K investment including ammo.
  • 1 0
 @txcx166: still, insurance is a lot cheaper than pouring these kind of money into building a fortress.
  • 1 0
 @Kainerm: Not all insurance companies are fair. Depends on the country.

When my bike was stolen, my insurance company covered the amount from the invoice in full. No questions asked. In just a couple of days. For a 4, 5 years old bike. The scumbag made me a favor, actually

However, in my home country, Croatia, the insurance company wouldn't covered more than 50% of the invoice value (and I'm being extremely optimistic here) and you would have to wait it for months..
  • 3 1
 @BlindMan77: Dumb take. In reality it pokes holes at Mexico's border security letting them through with stolen items. You're making an assumption that these aren't American citizens transporting to Mexico and then breezing back in with an American passport.

Keep living in the 80's man. I'm sure it was much easier justifying your cloaked racism back in the "good ol' days". You don't just get to shoot or lynch people you don't like Rittenhouse
  • 56 1
 still blows my mind they raised that much money on kickstarter for something that has a very low likelihood of ever seeing a commercial product.
  • 82 0
 Welcome to kickstarter . . .
  • 29 0
 Especially given how easy it would be to make a proof of concept of the biggest question mark - the power transfer system. Slap together a singlespeed version, go find a sprinter and take a video. Then put it on a trainer and spin it with a motor for 10,000 km. If it holds up most of go from hardcore doubters to potential backers.

Instead they seem intent on just showing it can shift. I get that shifting is the biggest technical challenge, but if those thin metal plates, tiny rollers/bearings and microscopic contact area can’t stand up to the torque none of it matters. And I could not find a single video of a human being riding this drivetrain, or even someone actually turning the cranks faster than 30 RPM.
  • 5 0
 @Blackhat: There is a video, allegedly, but its a rider seen on a track, its blurry, and very distant.
  • 37 0
 @hamncheez: pretty sure you are confusing ceramic and sasquatch
  • 2 0
 What can I say, people are stupid.
  • 3 0
 @Blackhat: clearly it doesn't pay to be shifty
  • 2 0
 @GFozzz: why are you repeating yourself
  • 1 0
 But in all seriousness, this is the only video I'm aware of (someone actually riding it) and its single speed only youtu.be/DsUt87NB0Ck?t=95
  • 2 0
 Vaporware. The rigidity necessary between the torque tube, frame cassette, etc, is incredible.
  • 1 0
You were on to something with that “single speed” talk but you lost me at “motor” and then that talk of “shifting” just made it worse!
I was excited to see the “single speed” video you linked but there was no dirt anywhere!
My disappointment is complete.
  • 47 0
 What a time to be alive. Three bikes worth 80k.
  • 19 0
 A little deceiving really. Those bikes actually have no real ‘value’ as they are concept bikes for which there is no actual market. I’m assuming the $80k is just based on what the company spent on them, which is really irrelevant to actual value. Im sure they have value, but what that amount is would be unknown.
  • 3 0
 @sino428: Exactly, cost does not equate to value. Shame we're unlikely to see them in an auction any time soon.
  • 2 0
 @tremeer023: : They're art, probably more likely to see them mounted on a wall about someone's fireplace
  • 43 0
 Does that mean we will find a test of their drivetrain soon Big Grin ?
  • 4 6
 You win the Internet today
  • 1 0
 Review on VeloNews tomorrow.
  • 37 0
 The insurance settlement might be the only profit they ever make on this design.
  • 3 0
 LMFAO! so true
  • 4 0
 LOL. Yup. Blessing in disguise - this propshaft drivetrain is destined to fail. Move on
  • 26 0
 Perp is expected to have severe lacerations in the right calf area... keep an eye out.
  • 22 1
 Can't wait for the seller's attempt to describe the drivetrain in the poorly written marketplace ad!
  • 26 0
 "rolls downhill nicely"
  • 17 0
 And because of the slightly more efficient bearings and pulleys the thieves were able to pedal away without getting quite as tired.
  • 14 1
 Glad to hear one of the criminals is caught (and dumb enough to ride locally). Props to local BPD. Nothing is more infuriating than hearing a story about bike theft, then finding out that authorities made zero effort.
  • 5 0
 That is good news.
But, the main thing is to see what happens to the thief now.
Back on the streets or gna do time?
  • 29 33
flag mtnbikermaniac (Apr 4, 2022 at 9:30) (Below Threshold)
Most likely was given a court date and released from jail right away. The harshest sentence they will likely recieve is court probation, if the DA even files charges at all.

Funny how everyone wants to vote for "progressive" representatives/policy, then complain when thieves/criminals aren't held accountable and get off with a slap on the wrist, which just emboldens criminals. You get what you vote for.
  • 17 7
 @mtnbikermaniac: Blah blah blah politix
  • 11 1
 @suspended-flesh: hey man, I'm not one to argue politics on pinkbike, but seeing as how bike theft is a very real problem in todays world, especially the USA, he has merit to what he is saying and I agree. I personally know many people who have had their bike stolen, can you imagine? your pride and joy that you spend so much time on maintaining and caring for and creating memories and going on adventures with your friends, all gone in an instant. It doesn't make it better that majority of bikes nowadays are well above 4k+ for even the average person. When you put a lot of work and dedication to make that cash to afford your machine and then someone just takes it away from you and doesn't get any repercussions? Why do you think that there is so many bike thefts in general, its because criminals know they most likely won't get in trouble for it, that's if the police even decides its worth their effort to use resources to help with your bike. I understand you blah blah blah nobody wants to talk about politics but I think this is an issue that is very apart of being a mountain biker as a whole. Nobody wants their bike stolen. The bike industry lately has been a real target for thefts because thieves are starting to realize how expensive and big of a industry it is and they can most likely get away with it, do you not remember a month or two back the post on here about that truck driver that was sedated just so some thieves could steal a whole truck's worth of Shimano parts? That is some serious heist stuff there, no way around it.
  • 7 0
 @mtnbikermaniac: Yeah... Im pretty sure "thievery" has been legalized in Colorado.
  • 8 0
 @G-Minion: For me at least, the point of contention is when it was blamed on a political party (progressives in this case). I get tired of people just immediately blaming the "other" party. For me, that finger pointing is starting to hit my "blah blah blah" filter.
Im sure people from both sides could come out and argue why it's the other sides fault. And when everyone gets tired of the debate we still won't have done anything to improve the situation.
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 @rallyimprezive: Agreed. Why are there only "2 sides" and 'the Other Party"? Because they want us to pick a side and be a dick about it. Distractions.The 'Republicans' like to throw around the term, but there are no real 'Progressives' in power, they are (rather right-wing) 'Democrats' in most cases. I'm a member of the lovably dysfunctional Green Party but only to voice my distaste for the 2 cheeks of the same ass known as the US 2 party system.
  • 18 2
 So, nothing of actual value was stolen?
  • 12 0
 so i do penetration testing (physical and cyber) as a job and hobby. The amount i've pointed stuff out to bike companies is astounding. 99% of the time the reply was " oh ok" and nothing was changed after. I literally tried to help quite a few diff companies and the truth is, they dont give a shit. it never bothers someone until it happens to them.

Secure your websites. Secure the physical product as well. The last few years have put some people in dumb cornered positions, expect stuff to happen.
  • 35 0
 How many people think you're in the adult entertainment industry when you say "penetration testing"?
  • 1 0
 @drunknride: mannnnnnn lol you aren't wrong when ya bring that up.
  • 12 0
 Time to drive down to Mexico to check out this new drivetrain.
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 You aren't kidding!
  • 8 1
 Translation: Too bad, hope to find the lost bike soon
  • 4 1
 Tài cǎnle, xīwàng jǐnkuài zhǎodào diūshī de zìxíngchē
  • 19 0
 @rallyimprezive: +50 social credit
  • 3 0
 @Kimura: haha. I went through the trouble to look it up for myself and figured, what the heck, I'll share!
At least one person was angered by that.
  • 2 0
 @rallyimprezive: I also looked it up to see what it said and that's the Pinyin version for western keyboards
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: Ah ok! I put that in to Google translate and it had no idea what to do with it. It's response was "Resources"
Thanks for answering my lingering question!
  • 9 0
 Should be able to sell those on eBay no problem, won't look suspicious at all.
  • 9 0
 "Adults road bike for sale. 10 gears. See pics"
  • 8 3
 Colorado seems like a good place for bike thieves.
How many persons, shops, and bike companies have had major thefts in the last few years?!
Are there no cops in Colorado?
  • 23 23
 Do you really believe the police get to decide how to police?
Were you hibernating during the blm/defund police chaos?
  • 11 2
 @jrocksdh: Yes. Individual depts in the US get to decide their methods and priorities.
No, I remember them well, and I'm not sure what your point is. You might need to elaborate.
  • 13 13
 @Jackaboo: his point is he hates black people when they speak up about police brutality
  • 7 0
 @ryd-or-die: Yeah but it was a genuine question, I honestly have no idea what his point is. You might as well say "were you hibernating when the Captiol building was stormed" or any other time when there was some kind of civil unrest. I fail to see what that has to do with bicycle company burglaries. I mean cops don't generally prevent burglaries, security systems etc. do. Cops just investigate them when they happen.
  • 6 1
 @Jackaboo: He's trying to shoehorn his politics into something completely irrelevant.
  • 2 3
 @Jackaboo: hey I whole heartedly agree with you. I'm just pointing out the obvious subliminal messages jrocksdh regurgitates from OANN.
  • 1 4
 @Jackaboo: who told you that? Family or friends whom are LEO?
  • 2 0
 @jrocksdh: Who told me what? Which part are you referring to? Unless you have a cop outside your house they don't prevent burglaries dumbass.
  • 1 1
 @Jackaboo: that individual departments within a given state get to decide their 'methods and priorities'.
Policy is made by governors/mayors/DA. Ez there name caller. Who told u? I have many friends and family in local leo as well as fed.
  • 2 0
 @jrocksdh: Wrong. Police policy is officially departmental and a-political, whether or not in reality those individuals influence it.
He can't answer your question if you don't tell him what you're asking.
If you're asking who makes policy, you can read any police dept's policy document and it'll tell you. But that's just you introducing a straw man, the topic here is burglarly, and that fact that police do not prevent them, they investigate them afterwards. If you think the police do prevent burglaries, you should say exactly how you think they do so.
  • 1 1
 @Greeta25: stay with us. His response was 'yes, individual depts get to decide how to police'. So I asked-who told you that?
Every CA Leo and fed leo I know consistently share to our group of friends how handcuffed they are by .Gov at state and fed levels.
Usually by executive decrees.
  • 2 0
 @jrocksdh: Yep, people always bellyache about that sort of thing. It doesn't make it true, even if your apparently multiple both state and federal law enforcement friends (apparently) tell you so. Since you don't have any evidence for your claim, and he doesn't for his, I'd suggest you drop this straw man.
  • 1 0
 @Greeta25: so your in canada or a canadian and you propose to tell me how things are going around here huh.
Just in my immediate circle I've got costa mesa swat; San Diego sergeant; navy seal; blm ranger of 30 years; and A few lawyers. So when many of them tell me they cannot enforce certain laws or hold certain criminals very long because of new policy and/or political pressures I believe them.
San diego sarge told me "street justice's is going down bc our hand are tied. And we look the other way when it happens ". That's all I got. Take care
  • 1 0
 @jrocksdh: Sure you do bud, sure you do. And no, what I asked for is evidence (a universal concept), which you haven't got Wink
  • 1 0
 @jrocksdh: Because nobody can fake a flag on PB. Dumbass lol
  • 8 2
 Fair play to the thief - I have a Levo, and I don't like to be seen riding it...
  • 5 0
 The stupid thieves stole stuff that they can't really get anything for. Who is really going to buy it because so unique product everyone knows it is hot?
  • 4 0
 $1 Million from crowd funding? hmmmmm. One off is worth 80K. Too many stolen goods in the bike world. Sometimes you have to connect the dots and follow the $$$ trail. You will find the truth.
  • 4 0
 I wonder if it's the curse of having big cycling logos on the side of your trailer? More and more just plain black or plain white seems to be the more rational choice...
  • 5 1
 It blows my mind that people leave anything valuable in vehicles that advertise the nature of the valuables.

When we had our work (aerospace and robotics engineering company) vehicles covered in marketing, they were constantly broken into, once a week at least. Now they’re all incognito and not one of the 60 or so has been broken into in the three years since.
  • 4 0
 @Afterschoolsports: In the Netherlands the public broadcasters had to do that step too because of angry conspiracy theorists. Now its fine - sad world
  • 4 0
 @Afterschoolsports: I always say that the trucks with 40 stickers and a rack on the back that are parked in front of a house are just giant advertisements that you own 10s of thousands worth of outdoor gear and it's probably no further than the garage door away. I'm always trying to make my vehicle look as plain as possible.
  • 3 1
 @AVann6: that’s not very smart either.
An acquaintance had a really nice van covered in stickers. He went on holiday, people broke in. They used his van to steal three MTB’s, two dirt bikes, a Ducati, and all the equipment. The van was found a few days later burnt out and missing the (again, expensive) wheels. The stupidest part was that he had no type of insurance on any of it that covered theft.
  • 5 0
 @Afterschoolsports: I've wondered before what signwriting would make a van the least appealing to break into. Maybe 'Clinical Waste Disposal Ltd' or 'Pedro's Pencils'?
  • 6 0
 @Linkpin: ................Public Library
  • 1 0
 @Linkpin: "Deceased Persons Transport" or "Coroner Services Vehicle"
  • 2 0
 @Linkpin: there’s a cleaning company here that only does sanitary bins in ladies public bathrooms. There branding is what I would put on my van to throw thieves off.
  • 5 0
 CeramicSpeed bikes ... Such a fuck-up for thieves.. I mean, you should better choose a stuff to grab.
  • 5 0
 They won't be able to sell that anywhere without getting busted
  • 6 0
 LOL: Where are they going to sell these? psst, I got a bike for you: super bargain 20.000$
  • 2 0
 I remember some 15 years ago Matti Lehikoinens prototype intense (m9 maybe) was stolen, there were only few existing and the paint was unmistakable... few months later they have found it in neighbouring country with someone using it to ride around the town Big Grin
  • 6 1
 @winko: like yesterday, when I crossed ways with a 50 y/o woman smoking, weraing a pajama and all the 'on benefits' extras aboard a Mondraker eBike. Couldn't help but think someone must be looking for it really bad.
  • 4 0
 @iiman: Mum borrowed my Mondraker again? I told her she could only borrow the Hightower as it is less expensive.

Thanks for the heads up!
  • 4 0
 Just look for the ad "used once but too small, needs new chain"
  • 3 0
 I would check the drivetrain competetors. Shimano, SRAM I'm looking at you.
  • 4 0
 damn thieves broke the chain of custody...
  • 2 0
 When are people gonna realize that they shouldn't keep anything of value in colorado? everything there just seems to get stolen
  • 2 0
 Haha the "art" was stolen. That's rich. It was probly a stealth bong & vape kit designed to look like $80k worth of bling bling.
  • 1 0
 Speaking of bike theft, I wonder if those in the US can see this FB page with their stolen bikes being sold in Mexico?
  • 3 0
 This really sucks! Hope they get their bikes back soon!
  • 3 0
 There's no way to be linked to the crime, it looks like.
  • 2 0
 should have just 3D printed a compacted version of the honda rn01 gear box out of carbon.sold like hot cakes...
  • 1 1
 You know the 5-yearold Hambini (5 Year Old autistic Engineer LOL) is not in on this because he thinks Cervelo and Canyon bikes are really bad in their engineering tolerances and, therefore, they're shites! Big Grin
  • 1 0
 I'm sure he'd love to rip these things apart
  • 1 0
 Kudos for correct pronunciation of "shit".
  • 3 0
 5 years ago, worth $8,000
  • 3 1
 Boulder County 740 square miles surrounded by reality.
  • 2 0
 3 bikes = $80K. There's something really wrong with this industry.
  • 3 0
 Hambini did it.
  • 1 0
 Did you see my post? Cervelo and Canyon are shites!
  • 1 0
 How exactly do they value these bikes at $80,000? Is this just a ruse to set up future bike price expectations?
  • 2 0
 Praying that the thieves get graped. The g is silent
  • 2 1
 Wait, they had something that could actually be stolen?
  • 2 0
 time to check craigslist
  • 1 0
 Wouldn't happen if bikes weren't worth diamonds these days.
  • 1 0
 Only at ceramic speed are THREE bikes valued at 80k
  • 1 0
 Mr. Spratt is this news worthy?
  • 1 0
 f*ck ceramicspeed ntn/fag better (smhing my head)
  • 4 4
 At least it wasn't #Ebikes again.
  • 1 0
 Corporate espionage
  • 2 1
 Insurance job.
  • 4 5
 Russia didit ...lol
  • 1 0
 But you know they blame it on Jina Big Grin
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