Day 2 Randoms - Eurobike 2022

Jul 14, 2022 at 15:43
by Ed Spratt  
American Classic relaunched MTB tires ahead of this year's show with four new options.

Basanite
Tectonite

Vulcanite
Mauka

Selle Italia has launched its first saddle with a 3D-printed cover. The new saddle is based on the SLR Boost and is made using a proprietary pattern.

The saddle cover is developed with Carbon DLS technology. Selle Italia expects these to be available from the end of September.

The Porsche-owned Greyp eMTBs don't look any better in-person.

Another product launched earlier this week is the Niner RKT 9 RDO.

The new RKT gets a little longer, a little slacker, and gains a geometry adjusting flip chip.

In an update from day one the mystery banana is still there and it doesn't look to have been changed. It's not going to look great by the end of the show.

Cybro had all six of its interesting models on display today. They are definitely some of the more unique-looking bikes.


You can't say Cybro's take on a hardtail looks similar to anything else.


Oh no, not another e-mobility bike.

The brand new Pavei (pah-VAI) Ventilation shoe from Vaude is hard to miss, even though you can literally see through it.

The panels across the sides and above the toes on the Pavei Ventilation are made of a sparse honeycomb of nylon. So sparse that you may want to finally chuck that ratty old pair of holey Sock Guy socks.

Not quite as new are the Moab Tech All Mountain flat-pedal shoes. These are one of only a handful of BOA-equipped flat-pedal shoes on the market, so we figured they’re worth highlighting.

A stretchy little neoprene panel on the Velcro strap keeps the knob from pressing against the top of your foot while still offering some extra support and protection.

Bosch has teamed up with Magura on a new ABS braking system for eBikes and eMTBs. During development, Bosch worked on ensuring easy integration with current bike technology while Magura produced e-bike specific braking components.

The system works by using a control unit to regulate pressure on the front wheel during harsh braking, and as with other ABS systems the bike will brake at intervals. A unique feature of this system is an intelligent rear wheel lift control that tries to ensure there is less risk of going over the bars if you grab a load of front brake suddenly.

SRAM had the full range of new suspension products from RockShox available to check out.

This seems like a lot of work to have four-piston brakes.

Abbey Tools
Abbey's Team Issue Toolbox also got an upgrade, with some higher density foam. And it now includes their coveted Team Issue titanium hammer.

Abbey Tools
If you just can't get enough splined sockets, Abbey now makes one to fit the lockrings on Shimano Hyperglide+ chainrings.

Abbey Tools
For the mechanic who has everything, Abbey Tools has added a chamferless 13mm socket meant for disassembling the air bleeders on Fox forks, or just for installing a fender.

An interesting-looking headtube on this Corratec.

DT Swiss has launched a new range of wheels aimed at the new market of lighter less powerful eMTB's. The Hybrid MTB Light Support wheels are essentially a middle ground between full-on eMTB wheelsets and one designed for regular MTB riding. With the lower power and weight of these eMTBs the wheels don't have to be quite as strong but they do need to be built slightly differently from a normal wheel because of the torque from a motor.

The new range features two options with a $1446.20 HXC 1501 LS carbon wheel or the cheaper aluminum HX 1700 LS costing $692.10.



114 Comments

  • 79 0
 Is that and e-Vil there at the end?
  • 202 2
 The e-wrecktion
  • 34 0
 @baschyboy: you really rose to the occasion with that pun.
  • 3 4
 Just Dealta with it.
  • 8 0
 @bigtim: It was hard not to!
  • 7 0
 @baschyboy: pretty sure evil is the one getting boned though, second summer of ebike with no motor…
  • 72 3
 Please keep us updated on the banana
  • 3 0
 It's a banana for scale joke
  • 6 0
 @nickfranko: I thought it was making fun of the banana taped to a wall “art” piece haha
  • 41 0
 I wish I had the money to come up with a bike that I know no one is gonna buy
  • 34 5
 Never seen a more appropriate named company than “Cybro”. I can just imagine the backlit keyboard hammering, Joe Rogan loving, Mountain Dew swigging Chad who designing this while watching The Fast and Furious.
  • 2 1
 Crybro?
  • 3 0
 Definitely missed their statics course and understanding zero force members in truss.
  • 20 0
 Could someone explain why ebikes need specific brakes? Will i explode if I put them on a normal bike?
  • 4 0
 In this case, the brakes are ABS (anti lock brakes). The computer than powers them needs power, so the brakes will be 'ebike specific' becauses theres no point adding a battery to a normal bike JUST for ABS.

I think, in general, ebike specific brakes are built to handle more stress. The bikes are heavier and the brakes normally endure harder forces, so the pads have more durable compounds and the calipers are overbuilt. I think.
  • 6 16
flag fielding (Jul 14, 2022 at 19:28) (Below Threshold)
 @dexterfawkes: of all the electronic gadgetry to come out for pedal-power bikes, I think ABS is the most intriguing one - imagine not having to worry about endos or washing out due to too much brake ever again.
  • 11 0
 ABS is just because there’s already this huge battery on board so it opens up a plethora of applications like ABS, integrated GPS unit, lights, etc. It’s a “might as well” thing. Weight is irrelevant since most ebikes are 50 lbs, so just 15 lbs heavier than an alloy Transition, Commencal, etc. with the same components. If you gained 15lbs on your body would you need abs?
  • 40 3
 @fielding: Imagine not being able to do endos and nose pivots because the "biking" community now considers those things unsafe. Imagine all the fun technical trails being widened and smoothed so all the unskilled e-bikers can effortlessly ride every inch of trail without ever feeling discouraged or even challenged at all.
  • 24 0
 @dexterfawkes: I absolutely refuse to believe an e-bike handles more stress than a full-on DH rig. No way an extra 10-15 lbs adds more stress than a stocky person riding proper DH tracks at full race pace
  • 31 1
 @gravitybass: If I gained 15 lbs, I could no longer see my abs.
  • 5 0
 @IsaacWislon82: Aside from the extra stress on the drivetrain ebikes don't need extra beefy parts. It's just marketing BS. The upside is that those same "ebike" components are now great alternatives to those of us that break regular parts.
  • 31 0
 @Gwizard: I'll get canceled again for telling the truth, but if you come to yurp, and particularly to Germany, Italy or Austria you will see that the vast majority of e bike users if a very specific population (geriatric, low skill, sometimes overweight). Considering what I see everyday, specific brakes are indeed needed. Constant brake dragging for while going down fireroad, panic brake squeezing when they are surprised that "there are other people on the fireroad/bike lane, including after blind turns...

It's likely if you don't belong to this user population you don't need these type of idiot proof brakes.

Honestly I'm surprised they haven't made yet an automatic low speed stability assist for ebikes and assistant robot that helps putting the ebike on a bike rack
  • 3 0
 @IsaacWislon82: maybe not, but the overall wear rate for drivetrain components and frame and wheel bearings is much greater, which is what they don’t tell!!
  • 3 0
 @IsaacWislon82: not justifying e-bike specific nonsense here, but 10-15lbs at the frame is a lot different than 10-15lbs on the rider (separated by legs) and can easily add a lot of impact force to… well, a non-suspension ebike. I don’t think BB and center-of-frame weight really applies here on a full suspension, but it’s a known fact that 10-15lbs on a rear rack or even at the unsprung axle will significantly increase the forces your bike needs to survive to bounce out of the way of obstacles
  • 7 0
 Yes you will explode. Proven by scientists.
  • 6 0
 @dexterfawkes: so..
If average joe is 75kg, me, being 20kg heavier will need different brakes?
Common.......
  • 2 0
 @gonpalco: up there with you... still on normal brakes
  • 1 0
 @zede: you're just telling the thruth
  • 1 3
 @zede: My take is that ABS will be used in downhill world cup sometime next year. Certainly will be tested now in the offseason.

There is already some programing and sensors on motorcycles that allow offroad use of abs, pretty clever shit going on there. Wheelie control, no locking stopie control system, ABS just in the front or the back wheel.

Also, it is a awesome tech for roadies, where their weight is almost over the front wheel.
  • 4 0
 @zede: This is exactly what I am saying. E-Biking is a entirely different thing to mountainbiking and for 99% of the people it is not even a sport it is maybe a hobby or just getting from A to B thing.

It should have it's own marketing channels and stop wasting marketing money on people who will just laugh out loud when they see ABS. We don't need to see this stuff we don't care. I think ABS might be great for the demographic of e-bikers but really, why is it everywhere on every imaginable medium that is about mountainbiking it has nothing to do with it!
  • 1 0
 @SintraFreeride: Good point, there is legitimately more stress on the drivetrain, no doubting that. It is interesting to see that the extra-beefy e-bike specific parts seem to make their way into Enduro and DH (or at least get developed somewhat jointly) and then fill a need for stronger, heavier components people have wanted for years, e.g. 38mm stanchion forks, TRP's DHR brake birthing from their e-bike brake being raced downhill, etc.
  • 1 0
 @dexterfawkes:
I can say that those e-bike specific rotors from Magura, made for heavier bikes/ebikes(MDR-P) are rubish and nothing but waiste of money…. Bought 2 220mm rotors for front brake and both of them start ratling on hard terrain, first one Magura replaced, second one I removed from wheel after maybe 200km for the same reason, and then replaced them with new Sram 220s.
  • 1 0
 @fielding: this makes a ton of sense for utility bikes for urban commuting, kid-hauling, groceries.
Can’t see the mtb crowd getting excited about having their nose-wheelies and skids taken away though LOL
  • 2 0
 @fielding: you've clearly never ridden a motorcycle, specifically an off road one with ABS. There is a reason KTM, BMW, and the others give you the option to turn off the nanny aides on their bikes specifically when using them off road as intended. No one has figured out how to properly electronically modulate brakes off road on a 2 wheel camber thrust sensitive machine. How long until the motors have traction control?
  • 2 1
 @Notmeatall: AHAHAHAHAHA

F.....U....C.....K!

Have you EVER seen ABS on Enduro/Hardenduro/Baja/Desert motorbikes?

Me......NO!


Abs for losers and wimps!
  • 2 0
 @dexterfawkes: it's more that the functionality, or lack thereof, needs to be tied to the functionality of the bike itself. if your AXS battery dies mid ride, you are bummed and maybe walking up a hill. If your ABS battery dies mid ride, you might think you have it when you don't and have a stupendously bad time....

it's the reason we don't have brake by wire. lol. the failure state is never good.
  • 1 6
flag mcozzy (Jul 15, 2022 at 22:18) (Below Threshold)
 Ebikes get ridden much more than acoustics, whos riders only ride for short distances and spend much of that time pushing them uphill. So yes e-specific parts are designed to be more durable.
  • 4 0
 @mcozzy: What a load of BS‍♂️There are still a lot of people out there pedaling uphill, we haven't all given up on life and push uphill
Mtbs get a lot of use as well, whether pedaling or shuttling. Like I said before ebikes have more more wear of the drivetrain due to the motor otherwise it's the same as a mtb.
  • 1 0
 @zede: bro, they have electric bike racks usually found on the back of expensive campervans that lower all the way to the ground so you can just roll your bike on. These people have the money, companies are just getting them to part with it.
  • 1 0
 @robw515: really good point... and just when I've been working on my nose pivots... what was I thinking?
  • 2 0
 @fielding: I'm glad to hear it. Learning a handful of basic trials type riding moves and dialing in your slow speed balance can really transform your riding and improve your entire biking experience. It's a great feeling to be able to ride a very sketchy technical trail all the way through without skipping or going around any of the cool obstacles and never touching your feet to the ground or having to lift your bike over that new log laying across the trail. I mean, it's those difficult technical obstacles that make it mountain biking right? If you're going to just ride around or walk your bike over all the tech, you might as well just go get a gravel bike because that's probably what you actually want to be doing.
  • 1 0
 @gonpalco:

Yes.

There is a reason ABS and traction control is banned in some motorsports.
  • 1 0
 @zede: Switzerland too!
  • 16 0
 "You can't say Cybro's take on a hardtail looks similar to anything else." ... Wish I could post a pic of my bathroom towel rail radiator.
  • 26 9
 Evil isn’t cool anymore.
  • 1 1
 Evil was cool? Ok..
  • 14 0
 Someone was paid to design that monstrosity from Greyp. Let that sink in for a minute. The Moab Tech shoes are interesting. I'll be checking those out.
  • 7 0
 Cybro's take on a hardtail sure looks heavier than everything else.

And @edspratt, it should now be The Mystery Banana. And because of the Cybro hardtail it's now the most important update we can look for at the show.
  • 10 0
 Missing that "8-piston brake" opportunity there...
  • 4 0
 not enough oil in the system. But would look cool.

just imagine, 12 piston? Old hope 6 piston brakes...
  • 10 1
 Nowhere for a bottle cage on that Cybro hard tail - lame
  • 16 0
 real cybro's don't need water, just tiny packets of motor oil and hydraulic fluid
  • 2 0
 When everyone else moves toward bikepacking bag and water bottle compatibility, Cybro found a different way
  • 5 0
 As a disabled shredder, do you have a photo of the brake lever for that double brake setup? Or what splitter they are using if it isn't a special lever?
  • 1 0
 That pic may have been of 2 separate brakes but I know that Hope makes their Tech 3 Duo brakes. Seems like a really cool option
  • 2 0
 Can confirm, it was definitely two separate brakes.
  • 5 0
 Consumer: We've been asking for full coverage lace covers to come back for years
Shoe companies: Avoids eye contact, looks down and kicks a rock.
  • 6 0
 Isabeau should check them out as a new shoe sponsor.
  • 4 0
 Ti HAMMER? I don't think these folks understand the function of a hammer. Best hammers are brass, basically the exact opposite.
  • 4 0
 That's a lot of work for 4-piston brakes, but the easiest solution for 8-piston brakes.
  • 3 0
 "So sparse that you may want to finally chuck that ratty old pair of holey Sock Guy socks."

You leave me and my "nice" socks alone, ok buddy?
  • 3 0
 Will my butt cheeks have Selle Italia proprietary pattern after a few rides? Looks terribly uncomfortable and lycra damaging.
  • 5 1
 I really hope Evil call that bike the Ice-T in a nod to his DJ Evil E
  • 1 1
 Specialized take note of that vaude airflow shoes... You just went back to hell with your 2FO gravity "pedaling" shoes with no ventilation at all when was having enough the previous versions... This is mot the way to go from a company you expect the best (and tricky) of 2 worlds... Pissed off cause when you get used yo body geometry difficult to go back ... And mow having to suffer this 2FO crap of unevolution... Was trusting the S... previous model was fenomenal lasted 3 seasons and just disappeared for a hot pedaling DH shoe having the guts to call it the same ..
  • 5 1
 Uh what?
  • 3 0
 I'll say it again, I'm tired of this e-bike craze at the expense of traditional bikes.
  • 2 0
 Please tell me more about the frame with dual 2-pot brakes. I'm bemused but intrigued.
  • 2 0
 After Mikes and Sebs discussion on the PB podcast about 2 pot brakes the other week, they need to get this on test.
  • 4 0
 I want throw a set of Grimeca System17 6-pot calipers on that PM adapter just because.
  • 1 0
 @theboypanda: TLBig Grin L on their discussion on 2 pot brakes?
  • 1 0
 "This looks like a lot of work for 4 piston brakes"
However, if you mounted two sets of 4 piston brakes on it instead... 8 pot rear brakes! Imagine the skids.
  • 4 3
 My dog has had stomach issues recently. What's coming out of him must've been Rockshox's inspiration for the new Lyrik colorway. What bike would that look good on?
  • 2 0
 Something hanging off the back of an army green Tacoma
  • 1 0
 More information on the Moab Tech All Mountain shoe. It looks like it could be the mythical shoe everyone wants! Velcro lace cover and BOA!
  • 2 1
 "The Porsche-owned Greyp eMTBs don't look any better in-person." Came out with both barrels blazing on that one. Def not wrong though.
  • 1 0
 Greypists coming to the woods near you.
  • 1 0
 @L0rdTom: hide your kids hide your wife, We got a Greypist up in here!
  • 2 0
 I like sockets and these are beauties.
  • 3 0
 Aluminium sockets that cost more than steel ones confuse me
  • 1 0
 @gabriel-mission9: The Shimano DM chainring tool? That's from Abbey, the most-expensive bike tool brand I'm aware of.
There are really good CNC sockets that do the same job on eBay for less than a tenner, from China.
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: exactly. And you dont even need to buy dodgy chinese crap. you can buy good tools made by a good manufacturer out of good materials, for far less than you can buy abbey tools nonsense
  • 3 0
 Who The f*ck Cybro Is?
  • 2 0
 Is looking Unique a good thing or a bad thing?
  • 1 0
 Well according to the narrative above, it doesn't look unique, it looks unusual, its just that the article is written by somebody who doesn't know what unique means. But in the case of that bike, i'd probably go with bad.
  • 2 0
 That Cybro is the bicycle equivalent of a try-hard Alienware laptop.
  • 1 0
 Really hoping the mystery banana becomes a standard on all Eurobike displays
  • 1 0
 I thpught that by these times bosch would've known that the first thing you do when you get offroad is you disconnect abs...
  • 1 0
 The shoes with the holes in them would suck in the wet
  • 18 1
 Or they might dry really fast. Could go both ways.
  • 14 0
 Good catch! I think we should tell the company, they probably missed this detail!
  • 2 4
 @kabanosipyvo: socks would still be wet unless ur planing on riding without socks
  • 6 0
 @buddy32: Someone's riding with cotton socks.
  • 4 0
 @kabanosipyvo: so much this
  • 4 0
 @kabanosipyvo: This is what high-performance sailing shoes are designed to do. If they're basically guaranteed to get wet, the focus should be drainage and quick drying
  • 2 1
 @buddy32: sealskinz waterproof socks covers that, and are great with traditional shoes too
  • 5 0
 This may come as a surprise, but some people live in places where it is hot, and even more shocking, they ride mountain bikes in hot weather too.
  • 1 1
 @Afterschoolsports: I don't believe you
  • 3 2
 That E-Evil looks pretty neat
  • 5 0
 Poor thing doesn’t even have a name but people are gonna start dumping on that 60 degree seattube.
  • 1 0
 I dont know what i think of that Evil
  • 1 0
 It might just be the colour
  • 2 1
 “We need bottle cage mounts” - everyone
“NOT ON MY WATCH” - Cybro
  • 3 1
 get RKT niner
  • 2 0
 Looks like a Delta V?
  • 1 0
 Banana watch 2022. Need a live stream.
  • 1 0
 Dear Cybro: Marin called, they want the rear end of their bike back.
  • 1 0
 Looks like all bikes will have motors soon
  • 1 0
 Not only is that Greyp bike ugly, its powered by T-mobile
  • 1 0
 I'll take any bike with a motor. The rest can go in the skip, or a museum.
  • 1 0
 Those American Classic tyres are Gneiss...
  • 1 0
 Hahaha
  • 2 2
 Niner seat tube angle fail
  • 2 0
 Niner handlebar rotation angle fail as well
  • 1 2
 It looks like Walmart now owns Niner.





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