Details Revealed for Hope's HB916 High Pivot Enduro Bike - Core Bike 2022

Mar 20, 2022 at 7:49
by Ed Spratt  

After being first spotted at Ard Rock last year, Hope are at Core Bike showing off even more details about its next UK made carbon bike.

The high pivot HB916 joins the short travel HB130 in Hope's lineup of bikes with 170mm of travel and the choice of 29" wheels or a mixed wheeled setup. For the official launch later this year Hope has made up three different colourways with the classic matt raw carbon, a gloss black and pebble grey and a chameleon finish with a blend of five colours.

For spec the bike comes kitted out in a whole array of the latest Hope parts with the new Tech 4 V4 brakes, carbon bars in a choice of colour options and Pro4 wheels with a choice of rims. Each Hope component can be adjusted for a range of colours from blue to red to green, or black if that's what you prefer.

The HB916 will not just be offered in raw carbon as Hope now have two painted options to choose from as well. Each frame takes around 16 hours to fully paint by Hope.


In terms of geometry, the high pivot Hope sticks right on trend with a slack 64-degree head angle across the four sizes with reaches going from 450mm on the H1 to 510mm on the largest H4 bike. Actual seat tube angles measure 75.4 degrees on the smallest and largest size with the middle two sizes steepening slightly to 75.5 degrees. The geometry can be adjusted slightly and if you want something slacker then the numbers can hit 63.2 degrees for the head angle and 75.7 for the seat tube angle. The wheelbase stretches from 1230mm to 1303mm in the standard setting and the slack setting changes this to 1238mm and 1311mm.


The new bike also features a handy compartment in the downtube, this hatch opens up into the hollow space and the bike will come with a small bag to fit inside the void and fill with anything you want to carry on the trail.



There is no exact launch date just yet but when the bikes do launch a frame only options including the shock, headset and bottom bracket start at £3595. Full bikes kick off at £6995 with the price raising slightly for the additional colour options.


130 Comments

  • 182 20
 Regardless of your opinions on high pivots etc etc, y'all have to admit this thing is an absolute stunner.
  • 34 9
 Definitely beautiful. I was more thinking the industry needs another 170mm bike like the ocean needs more water.
  • 42 8
 @foggnm: I think we all can agree the ocean needs more water
  • 19 80
flag conoat (Mar 20, 2022 at 12:44) (Below Threshold)
 @dirtnapped: lol....go ask climate "scientists" that!
  • 11 10
 16 hours to paint what are they using oil paints ? I’d rather buy a raw frame and send it to FAT CREATIONS
  • 6 14
flag NoahJ (Mar 20, 2022 at 13:37) (Below Threshold)
 but whyyy is the reach sooo loong.
  • 8 1
 @conoat: swoon, your so funny Nicholas. Lol
  • 14 18
flag conoat (Mar 20, 2022 at 14:23) (Below Threshold)
  • 7 7
 @heavyp: start to finish, with drying? that's basically about normal....
  • 3 2
 @conoat: Sorry Nick, my bad.
  • 2 5
 Beautiful build, then they top it off with a Topeak bottle cage. C'mon guys.
  • 11 1
 @dirtnapped: Wait doesn't it need more ice actually? Aren't the melting ice caps creating more water and thus raising sea levels?
  • 1 0
 @heavyp: you might just get it back for (next) Xmas, if you book now…
  • 3 5
 Just looks like a carbon norco shore to me with split pivot instead of horst link.
  • 1 0
 @foggnm: Plenty more 170mm bikes in the sea I always say.
  • 2 0
 @verymediocrebikemechanic: Maybe invoking Maynard Keenan?
  • 5 0
 Would be sick to see an alloy version
  • 1 0
 @huntingbears: I'll see you down in Arizona Bay
  • 1 0
 i now have superstition by stevie wonder plying in my head
  • 1 0
 @makripper: Go "over the road" to Orange Bikes, they'll sort you out!...and for a similar price!
  • 1 0
 Hope--- for the win! I second that, "...absolute stunner"
  • 39 0
 Are you even at a UK tradeshow if there aren’t 1626638 VW T6’s parked outside?
  • 7 0
 If you turn up in anything other than a T6 you have to pay a 5 grand fine to British Cycling.
  • 4 0
 I spy a Transit hiding at the back, not sure if it's a traitor or a wannabe on a budget
  • 10 0
 @ROOTminus1: It's the plumber waiting to unblock all the marketing BS
  • 1 0
 @TommyNunchuck: Strong work in the comments, Tommy!
  • 38 2
 I want Orange to make a high pivot with no linkages.
  • 4 0
 Yess Salute
  • 1 0
 They've already been there with a DH bike. But yeah, I suppose they're already looking into it for enduro and trail bikes too.
  • 23 0
 Deposited a deposit for the frame yesterday to replace HB160. Fizzing at the bunghole.
  • 12 0
 "Fizzing at the bunghole"

What a delightful turn of phrase! Need to find more ways to work that into my day.
  • 5 0
 @jgoldfield: if it's fizzy properly, you shouldn't need to work it in.
  • 1 0
 @jgoldfield: you need to go to the civil service jobs website, plenty of opportunity to roll that one out
  • 1 0
 @jgoldfield: how did it turn out?
  • 2 0
 @Dogl0rd: Unfortunately it's not been the a fantastic day (Mondays and all that) so I can't say anything has really happened to make me fizzing at the bunghole yet. That said, maybe it's a matter of outlook: I certainly have a lot to be grateful for, lots of things that should have me fizzing at the bunghole. So I certainly will try to capture that fizzy bunghole feeling as much as I can today, and hopefully use this wonderful turn of phrase more.

I suppose I've said fizzing bunghole three (now four) times in this comment, so things are looking better!
  • 2 0
 @jgoldfield: the new commencal supreme looks fizz inspiring, so that's something
  • 23 1
 Though experiment: High Pivot bikes are the fat bikes of 2022. Discuss.
  • 4 0
 Truth
  • 4 0
 After some thought I would call them the Plus+ bikes of 2022.
  • 20 2
 7k ? No Hope of owning that.
  • 9 0
 So 35k nzd
  • 10 3
 Broken record complain here from me - ever possible spec and geometry for the frame listed except the weight. Not that Hope is any different from anyone else, but its an important spec for me and almost impossible to find for any frame without crawling through MTBR build up threads.
  • 1 0
 E-mail them.
  • 29 7
 You’re worried about a couple of grams on your 170mm HP enduro bike?
  • 4 0
 @SonofBovril: I just want the information from them and everyone else. its another data point. Perhaps I even want a few extra grams in the frame knowing it might be stronger. I'm just not understanding whys its never mentioned when we debate and discuss every other specification ad nauseum.
  • 11 1
 16 hours to paint is coincidently the same amount of time an owner will spend telling you about it at the trail head.
  • 1 0
 Buy cyanide pills for your water bottle before they get too expensive
  • 9 0
 This looks like chainslab could be an issue, it´s basically running on the chain stays ?!
  • 5 1
 It shouldn't. Look at the Supreme until 2019. Same thing and no chainslab.
  • 4 0
 Even if it did have bad chainslab you could always put down rubber tape or whatever
  • 1 0
 It's on the smallest gear so the clearance would be better usually. That said I'd want to watch hear it going down a trail with an onyx hub first.
  • 3 0
 Chainslab? Hmmm, try that on your Weber... :-p
  • 1 0
 Especially with the non-cocentric pulley adding movement to the upper chain strand.
  • 2 0
 i dont think chainslab might be an issue, chainslap on the other hand...
  • 2 0
 If you jump off a curb, does it hurt as much as jumping off a roof? If the chain is an inch above the chainstay, that gives it less time to accelerate and impact. If the chain is .1" above the chainstay, no time for acceleration which makes less of an impact. Easy physics.
  • 8 0
 @prosauce: exactly! I try to explain this to my Buddys every time we go on a trip to a bike park and I try and keep minimal distance to the car in front of me on the motorway. Especially at higher speeds its crucial to basically touch the car in front to keep forces as low as possible in case of a crash. If it´s already dark and / or conditions miserable so you can hardly see anything, just get close enough until you can't see the lights of your car anymore, this is when you are around 1" away and in a safe distance.
  • 1 1
 @betobi: chuckled
  • 8 1
 I’ve just realised that the idler will move up and down with the chainstay - and now my brain hurts
  • 1 9
flag wohwee (Mar 20, 2022 at 13:48) (Below Threshold)
 That’s true of all the high pivot bikes. If it wasn’t attached to the chainstay then it wouldn’t be able to isolate the chain growth from the rearward axle path and you’d have mega pedal kickback
  • 3 2
 Most of them do. There are only a few, if any, of the modern crop of high-pivots that use an idler concentric with the main pivot. The offset helps provides a good chunk of anti-squat.
  • 2 0
 @justinfoil: which brands have concentric ones? Definitely not claiming to understand these systems comprehensively, was just passing on my understanding of why the idlers are fixed to the rear end
  • 2 0
 @wohwee: that's what I'm saying: I can't think of any, but either way, offset idler is the most common so it shouldn't be that mind-blowing.
  • 2 0
 @wohwee: if it was concentric you would have zero kickback but minimal anti-squat. Mega kickback would be with an idler far away from the pivot, or no idler: BB to pivot (accounting for ring size vs idler size) becomes the kicker.
  • 1 0
 For example, the idler could be on the seat-tube just closer to the main pivot than the BB, and still provide controlled kickback.

(Forgot to add that last time)
  • 2 0
 It comes down to whether the brand is willing to pay for the I-track patent. If it’s on the swing arm it falls under the patent, if it’s concentric to the main pivot it is technically connected to the front triangle, so no patent needed. This must have been an expensive design because they would have had to pay for the concentric rear axle pivot patent too
  • 4 0
 @SonofBovril: this isn't using the itrack patent. That is for having the cog on a linkage that isn't the main swingarm. If this was a horst link, they would be in violation. But the trek style concentric pivot at the rear skirts around the patent.
  • 7 2
 High Hopes, nothing but high hopes
  • 5 0
 "small bag"....I mean, just ship the bikes with weed already in there ffs
  • 3 0
 The cameleon finish is lovely. Gorgeous frame. Wonder if they will offer that finish on their other bikes as well for those who don't like to idle?
  • 2 0
 Looks great, all they need to do now is make it out of metal and offer it in a choice of pretty anodized colours, one imagines some extaordinarily ‘sick’ builds could be done..
  • 1 0
 It's a pretty bike, but how is this notable compared to the hp spartan? It seems like it's just a prettier devinci, considering it looks like it's using pure split pivot at this point. It would be interesting to compare the two and their slight geo differences.
  • 4 0
 I’m going to miss those coloured callipers.
  • 5 2
 Do you think it will be released before the current high pivot fashion runs out?
  • 1 0
 When I read: "HB916 will not just be offered in raw carbon...", I was hope that would be followed by an alloy option. Hope makes some nice shiny metal bits, I would think they could extend that to their frames as well.
  • 2 0
 Slick storage box with CNC'd lever even. Move over SWAT, hope's is the Stores Handy Items and Tools!
  • 1 0
 So does this one have all the hope proprietary specs like their first enduro bike? No one wants a proprietary axle size etc.

If standard, looks bloody good!
  • 2 0
 They ditched the weird rear hub spacing (was it 130mm?) for the HB130.
  • 2 1
 Racers will take anything if it provides an advantage...

The original also had more than just a custom hub width and offset, it also used a brake mount thay actually made sense: since it was concentric with the axle, a bigger rotor just mean a nice linear offset, simple spacers, not weird adapters that literally follow no discernable pattern like we currently have.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil:
Yea all with that, but it its not got industry buy in, its just a pain in the a$$ for anyone buying a frame only.
  • 2 0
 high pivot enduro bike, nice, some people want fried bacon with their ice cream
  • 1 0
 What's wrong with a big squisher?
  • 1 0
 @Dogl0rd: it's pointless for an enduro bike, that thing has to go both up and down. also that cassette that weighs as much as the whole wheel renders suspension crap compared to what it could be.

there are such things as laws of physics and some people claim it's lies
  • 1 0
 If you want a real inside scoop, we have seen twice the prototype Hope #ebike couldn't work out the motor spec, but the battery was so well engineered and placed.
  • 2 0
 HOPEfully this will be my next rig.
  • 3 1
 Enough spacers under that stem?
  • 2 0
 So, why doesn't it have 916mm of travel?
  • 3 0
 It is weird they just completely broke that naming trend. Granted it was only 2 bikes, but it was also 100% of their bikes.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: named after an old Porsche I think, there is also a smaller engine version 914
  • 2 0
 @richard01: VW/Porsche, but not quite: 914/6 got the Porsche name and flat-6 motor, 914/4 had the VW/Karmann name and VW flat-4 motor. There used to be one on the route from my parents house to my favorite trails that I would pedal by back in high school. Wanted it so bad, but it was beat, doubt it even ran. Though I now have some knowledge and more importantly connections to make any old VW work, I'm sure by that thing either melted into a pile of rust or sold for way more than I could afford.

Don't see the connection though.
  • 3 1
 I'm holding out for the 69420 version
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: I was sure it was from a sneak peek article or something but you are correct.
  • 3 0
 Looks like a Spartan...
  • 1 0
 technical question (can't think of it myself): Isn't the flip chip also changing the leverage ratio?
  • 2 0
 3.5k for a bike frame. At what point do consumers say no?
  • 2 0
 Best tell Yeti, Santa Cruz, Transition et al. Not much more than an S-works.
  • 1 0
 By consumers do you mean bike shop employees getting cheap deals
  • 1 0
 Quite the stack going on in that first photo…
  • 1 0
 A pale copy of the CAVALERIE Blackbird
  • 3 0
 Because it's black, and uses a concentric rear pivot? Yeah, none of those have ever been made before. Oh, and doesn't have a gearbox mounted upright so no need for an idler? Pale indeed.
  • 1 2
 The paint job on this is absolutely gorgeous and honestly like the high pivot design better than the old pivot design not going to lie
  • 3 2
 This bike makes their new brake levers look good
  • 1 0
 High pivot remind me to Corsair bike the earlier design
  • 1 0
 This can't be a HOPE product, where's the anodised colours?!?
  • 1 0
 They had high hopes for the bike
  • 1 0
 Man that cable insert angle looks interesting into the frame
  • 1 0
 Coming with 2021 Commencal or 2018 spesh enduro colour options
  • 1 0
 They nailed that chameleon paint.
  • 1 0
 It's a thing of beauty for sure.
  • 1 0
 Sold out already
  • 1 1
 how heavy is the frame? it looks slick
  • 3 3
 Does anyone actually want a mixed wheel size bike?
  • 1 0
 Yeeep. Why not?
  • 1 1
 Late to the game...no one cares bout high pivot anymore.
  • 1 0
 That is a beauty!
  • 1 2
 Honestly... looks like a Session. Look at the chain stays and seat stays.
  • 4 0
 Really just look at the concentric pivot! How is there no mention of that? Are the ABP and SplitPivot parents expired (and in which jurisdictions)? Does Hope just not care?
  • 1 2
 Seat angles seem to by 3 deg off current 77-79 standard.
  • 1 0
 Standard?

Also, 78 degrees actually isn't always the most friendly for rolling terrain (rolling as in up and down as opposed to up then down, not rolling as in smooth). On less steep terrain, having the seat that far forward relative to the BB isn't ideal for a lot of people.

Just as it's stupid to call 64 degree head angle "on trend" like the article did (Hope didn't just pick that number for the hell of it) it's stupid to just assume because another number doesn't match "the trend" it makes the bike not good.
  • 3 0
 Effective seat tube angle is ~78 deg. It says so in the geo charts. Strange that they’ve quoted the actual seat tube angle in the article - and that’s a steeper than most.
  • 2 5
 that chain is gonna rattle....
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