[UPDATED] Elite Finals Results & Overall Standings from the Andorra DH World Cup 2023

Aug 25, 2023 at 23:40
by Ed Spratt  
The final results are in from Andorra after the schedule was changed due to expected extreme weather.

Nina Hoffmann was dominant in Andorra as she battled the steep and loose course to take her first win in 2023. The winning streak of Vali Höll has ended as Nina Hoffmann took a 2.8-second win against the 2023 World Champ. Vali Höll missed out on another win this year as she was the only rider in the top five that did not improve upon their qualifying run. Tahnee Seagrave continued to show she is back on form as she flew into third place.

Thibaut Daprela takes the win at the fourth round of the 2023 World Cup series after an electrifying run. As heavy rain began to fall for the top ten racers Thibaut Daprela took the win in Andorra besting Greg Minnaar by 0.121 seconds. Finn Iles wraps up the top three racers, 2.316 back. Loic Bruni deserves plenty of praise as he had the tough job of being last down after the heavy rain and still managed a great finish in 22nd.

Check out the results below.


Elite Women

1st. Nina Hoffmann: 3:09.755
2nd. Vali Höll: 3:12.591
3rd. Tahnee Seagrave: 3:13.947
4th. Marine Cabirou: 3:14.396
5th. Eleonora Farina: 3:15.580

Elite Men

1st. Thibaut Daprela: 2:46.455
2nd. Greg Minnaar: 2:46.576
3rd. Finn Iles: 2:48.771
4th. Antoine Vidal: 2:49.014
5th. Bernard Kerr: 2:49.045

The Elite Women's Race as it Happened

5:45 PDT: The Elite Women's Race is Now Underway
After a change to the schedule and the race almost looking likely to be cancelled we are finally seeing riders on course for finals. Vicky Clavel is the first rider to go today.

The road gap that caused a number of issues in qualifying including taking out Camille Balanche has been removed for today's finals.

5:49 PDT: Vicky Clavel Sets a Time of 3:29.283
Despite the tricky conditions this morning, the track is back to looking fast and loose as Vicky Clavel improves her qualifying run by around seven seconds.

5:51 PDT: Veronika Widmann Goes Fastest by 2.6 Seconds
Veronika Widmann is down early today and makes her way straight into the hot seat.

5:52 PDT: Anna Newkirk Goes Fastest
Anna Newkirk just overtakes Veronika Widmann as she builds a lead of 0.6 seconds.

5:53 PDT: Sian A'Hern Just Falls Short of a Top Time
Sian A'Hern was looking fast at the top but loses momentum through the bottom splits to go 0.153 back.

5:54 PDT: Phoebe Gale Goes Fastest by 5 Seconds
Phoebe Gale continues a great season as she flies into the lead by a huge margin.

5:54 PDT: Lisa Baumann 1 Second Back in 2nd
Lisa Baumann was another rider fast at the top but couldn't hold the lead in the bottom part of the course.

5:55 PDT: Louise Ferguson Takes the Hot Seat
Louise Ferguson battles the wind as it looks to be picking back up to go into the top spot by a large margin.

5:56 PDT: European Champ Eleonora Farina Goes Quickest by 2 Seconds
Freshly crowned European champ Eleonora Farina moves into the hot seat as along with the stronger winds rain starts to fall.

5:57 PDT: Rain Expected for the Next Hour
With a yellow thunderstorm warning remaining for the rest of the day we are now seeing rain on course alongside an increase in wind. Hopefully, we won't see unfair conditions for the later riders.

5:59 PDT: Tahnee Seagrave Leads by 1.6 Seconds
The weather isn't slowing Tahnee Seagrave down as she takes the hot seat with five more riders to go.

6:02 PDT: Marine Cabirou Takes 2nd
Marine Cabirou puts down a loose run but it isn't last enough to best Tahnee who remains on the hot seat with a 0.449-second advantage.

6:08 PDT: Mille Johnset Takes 4th
With just two riders left it is Tahnee Seagrave who leads with a 0.449-second gap back to Marine Cabirou.

6:11 PDT: Nina Hoffmann Dominates to Lead by 4 Seconds
Nina Hoffmann has a wild run as she lets the bike fly in the steeps to go fastest by four seconds. Only Vali Höll remains at the top.

6:13 PDT: Vali Höll Gains Over Half a Second at Split 2
After losing time at the first split she has pulled back 0.6 seconds by the second split.

6:14 PDT: Vali Höll is Nearly 2 Seconds Back
Vali Höll has lost a lot of time at the bottom as she is off the pace of Nina Hoffmann.

6:16 PDT: Nina Hoffmann Wins in Andorra
Nina Hoffmann stops the winning streak of Vali Höll as the Austrian rider crosses the line 2.8 seconds back.

The Elite Men's Race as it Happened

6:31 PDT: Taylor Vernon Kicks Off the Men's Race
Taylor Vernon is the first rider out of the start hut as the wet and windy conditions continue.

6:34 PDT: Taylor Vernon Sets a Time of 2:56.588
Taylor Vernon sets the first time of the day as the elite men start hitting the course.

6:36 PDT: Tuhoto-Ariki Pene Leads by 3.6 Seconds
Tuhoto-Ariki Pene flies into the lead as he goes around four seconds back from Loic Bruni's qualifying time.

6:41 PDT: After 10 Riders the Top 5 Are:
1st. Tuhoto-Ariki Pene: 2:50.244
2nd. Kye A'Hern: 2:51.955
3rd. Chris Grice: 2:52.783
4th. Ed Masters: 2:53.279
5th. Antoine Pierron: 2:53.857

6:51 PDT: A Crash for Jack Reading
After leading into the final split Jack Reading gets thrown over the bars at the bottom of the course.

6:52 PDT: After 20 Riders the Top 5 Are:
1st. Tuhoto-Ariki Pene: 2:50.244
2nd. Davide Palazzari: 2:50.439
3rd. Baptiste Pierron: 2:51.025
4th. Simon Chapelet: 2:51.627
5th. Connor Finnis: 2:51.736

6:54 PDT: Luke Meier-Smith Goes Fastest by 1.063
The winner of the first round of the 2023 Enduro World Cup series has taken the hot seat as he stormed the lower part of the course.

7:01 PDT: Ethan Craik Moves into the Hot Seat
By just 0.054 seconds Ethan Craik goes fastest.

7:02 PDT: After 30 Riders the Top 5 Are:
1st. Ethan Craik: 2:49.127
2nd. Luke Meier-Smith: 2:49.181
3rd. Mark Wallace: 2:49.791
4th. Tuhoto-Ariki Pene: 2:50.244
5th. Davide Palazzari: 2:50.439

7:03 PDT: Antoine Vidal Goes 0.1 Up
Antoine Vidal doesn't allow Ethan Craik to enjoy the hot seat for long as he knocks him straight off the top by 0.113 seconds.

7:09 PDT: A Crash for Remy Meier-Smith
It hasn't been shown on the live feed by Remy Meier-Smith has crashed in the second split as he loses over ten seconds.

7:12 PDT: After 40 Riders the Top 5 Are:
1st. Antoine Vidal: 2:49.014
2nd. Ethan Craik: 2:49.127
3rd. Luke Meier-Smith: 2:49.181
4th. Oisin O Callaghan: 2:49.283
5th. Mark Wallace: 2:49.791

7:15 PDT: Bernard Kerr Just Misses the Top Time
Bernard Kerr comes the closest so far to Antoine Vidal as he goes 0.031 back.

7:23 PDT: Antoine Vidal has Done Something Special in the Final Sector
As rider after rider fell short of the top time in the final split Antoine Vidal must have found a really fast line in the final 20-second sector.

7:25 PDT: Greg Minnaar Takes the Lead by 2.4 Seconds!
Greg Minnaar takes the hot seat as he goes 2.4 faster than Antoine Vidal. Interestingly Greg still lost around 0.3 seconds in the final sector to Antoine Vidal.

7:12 PDT: After 50 Riders the Top 5 Are:
1st. Greg Minnaar: 2:46.576
2nd. Antoine Vidal: 2:49.014
3rd. Bernard Kerr: 2:49.045
4th. Ethan Craik: 2:49.127
5th. Angel Suarez: 2:49.139

7:29 PDT: Thibaut Daprela Bests Greg Minnaar
Greg Minnaar has a short stay on the hot seat as Thibaut Daprela goes into the lead with 10 riders left. We now wait for the last 10 riders as we are given a longer interview with a MotoGP racer than we often get after the race.

7:33 PDT: Finn Iles Takes 3rd, 2.3 Back
Finn Iles can't match the speed of Daprela and Minnaar as he is over two seconds off the top pace.

7:37 PDT: Conditions are Not Looking Good at the Top
Andreas Kolb almost loses control at the top of the course as the rain looks to be starting to affect the conditions.

7:39 PDT: Andreas Kolb Crashes Out
Andreas Kolb loses the front end as he slides out in the second half of the course. The rain is getting very heavy now, the riders left at the top will need to do something special to match the rider who had more favourable conditions.

7:42 PDT: Even Danny Hart Can't Beat the Greasy Course
The course is looking significantly slower and harder now as Danny Hart struggles to hold a high speed and goes into 52nd.

7:48 PDT: Benoit Coulanges Catches a Tree Pad
Benoit Coualnges fought back against the tricky conditions and was not too far off the pace but a crash in the lower woods knocked him out of contention.

7:54 PDT: A Flat Tire for Jackson Goldstone
Jackson Goldstone was only three seconds back at split two before a rear flat ended his chance at a good result.

8:00 PDT: Thibaut Daprela Wins the Andorra World Cup
After wet weather affects the last ten riders it is Thibaut Daprela who wins in Andorra.

Full Results:

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Elite Men


Overall Standings:

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  • 166 1
 How much better is a one-run final with a sensible number of riders in it. Scrap Semi-Finals, they're just a boring waste of time! Stoked for Nina too, she'd said earlier on Misspentsummers that she didn't think she could beat Vali... well turns out she can.
  • 19 22
 Less riders in finals means more chances to have the same conditions for all of them. Pretty sire Bruni would have prefered 30 riders in finals and a run in dry conditions
  • 42 2
 @pasteque51: yea but then we wouldn’t have gotten that sick drift from Kolb.
  • 3 3
 @pasteque51: not necessarily too much difference. I believe the gaps are larger for finals than what we witnessed today.
  • 32 6
 Asbolutely - this is a full scale assualt on riding and our intelligence. I absolutely love watching DH and I'm sure a full day watching on the slope is amazing. Semi's are too long, dangerous for riders and far, far, far too much content for anyone to consume, even on a day off.

They'll finish it out this year for sure. The riders "union" which looks to have imploded, should've said "no semis - period" and stuck on it. Guarantee there would've been no semi's this year. Who's got time? Even among riders. Its probably the dumbest thing I've seen in DH riding ever.
  • 20 29
flag forecast01 (Aug 26, 2023 at 13:08) (Below Threshold)
 @Mtn-Goat-13: I don’t understand this complaint. Don’t watch the Semis - problem solved. A 30 Rider final means less track deterioration from when the fastest guys were previously on the track and less likelihood of what happened today. I watch exactly what I’ve always watched - Mens final. The racing has been amazing this year - I hope you can find some positives.
  • 10 2
 @pasteque51: I can guarantee Bruni isn't that stupid. Sometimes weather plays a factor and that's an inherent part of racing. Anyone who has raced enough understands this.
  • 2 0
 Yes to this!

And, #GasToFlatGotRobbed!!
  • 2 1
 @pasteque51: don’t think that’s the issue here. We’ve always had qualies to make sure the best riders come down on similar conditions. It’s actually quite rare that the weather ruins just the top 10 runs. And if it goes like that then it can happen with any number of riders in the finals. It’s just bad luck
  • 3 0
 @pasteque51: But they would have still have had to run the semi, which would have started earlier and it still would have rained during the final. It's been raining in finals since the sport has started and Bruni has won a shit load of races regardless.
  • 3 0
 @scott-townes: I think I remember Bruni stating earlier in the year that he doesn't like the format and is struggling with figuring it out.
  • 2 0
 @scott-townes: eh, Bruni seems pretty upset about it judging by his Instagram post and comments
  • 8 0
 @forecast01: I don't watch the semis either, but I want to scrap them officially so we all get to see everyone at their very best in the final. I'm less interested in seeing exhausted riders trying to pull off two runs at race pace.
  • 2 0
 @bikes-arent-real: Bruni actually benefited from not running a semi today as far as points for the overall. Danny, Kolb, Jackson, Jordan etc would have made into a semi through being protected or having the speed. Since they didn't and finished where they did they missed out on Top 30 points and he got a few for finishing 22nd with his run
  • 2 1
 Did PB post the link to FF yesterday? I think not: www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQM3E0N1Xk

Cheer up!
  • 2 2
 @scott-townes: weather always affects fastest qualifiera, it is surprising we never found a way to try avoid it!
  • 6 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: Absolute True! The semi finals format is the stupidest thing the UCI has done in a while & that is saying something. The semi format is not about making the racing better or to make it better for the fans. It is about money! The UCI could give 2 shits about the racers they are just a means to a end. Their actions prove that over & over.
  • 3 1
 @forecast01: What's not to get! Im writing in English. Riders aren't- even - getting - UCI - points for semis's... hence Adam Brayton getting booted from Andorra entirely. Im not gonna stand around thinking that's brilliant - thats f*cking retarded

Danger still stands - and it's a massive waste of an otherwise baller race day.

But yeah: it's unbearable to watch, makes no sense, doesn't even allow riders a chance to keep UCI points AND does not at all uplift or support racing or attract more viewers.

I have no clue what it's for; what, "the love of it?" Effing please... and yeah, cant watch. Tried paying for GCN just to watch & its celery. In fact - celery is more interesting now.
  • 2 1
 @Darknut: Watching Discovery this year is like slow mon watching someone steal all your bikes. It's a joke. Again: all respect to the riders... they supposed to just quit? Nah: but that doesn't mean I or you or anyone has to PAY to watch Discovery learn on the job. f*ck that & f*ck them. UCi is a joke.
  • 1 0
 @forecast01: Correction: mis-typed "!" when I tried "?". FYI, I up voted and did not down vote you.

While we disagree, I literally despise downvoting and those who do it, just totally Russian and Chinese. I'd rather see visceral and logical disagreements, heated arguments and whatever – it's just words on a screen, rather than trying to hide peoples viewpoints.
  • 2 0
 @eckljkr: Check check on all that. And here's another kicker – no one gets any UCI points at all for the semi's, which is why Adam Brayton was forced not to race... dude was 55th overall and didn't get 40 pts by 12 months so BYE says UCI. So basically two race runs per day – and you don't even get points for the first one. Who made that rule & how could that possibly benefit anyone or even UCI?
  • 2 1
 @Darknut: They had semi's back in the day when Greg started racing, he even mentioned it in a pit interview earlier this season. This is not some new thing.
  • 3 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: After listening to the "Post Race Show Podcast" it sounds like Brayton maybe wasn't aware of certain rules about his points situation and didn't realize he should have asked for a national jersey sooner. Just reading between the lines of what Mullaly said. Rule changes happen and it's the riders responsibility to know them, period. It's unfortunate but it is what it is, bitching about something that doesn't effect you or change your day is pointless.
  • 2 0
 @MikeGruhler: You're actually right (and I'm not spewing here just to read my opinion & gloat). I see this as a spot to say what you think & take in others views too - so I'm open. So yeah, he should've known that being the seasoned vet he is.

Its also possible to simultaneously state (and push) that BS rules like this, of which there are plenty, only harm. What did it really matter w/ Brayton sitting there at 55...b/c outta 180 (or is it 200) qualifiers, that's killer. Rules are just that and they can be updated & changed. This one's dumb and pointless..rules for the sake of rules.
  • 8 0
 Thanks bro! 3
  • 34 4
 Thank you for this, I've been paying for GCN+ since the start of the season and wanted to support them but after the quality of the streams and the absolute shambles of the World Champs I refuse to give them any money for the rest of the season.
  • 16 3
 @curtiscycles: will also help bring the viewing numbers for the payed stream down so they will hopefully give up putting it behind a paywall if nobody watches it! Wink
  • 15 1
 Quality is real good today
  • 18 7
 They're showing the first five seconds of each run, and then the last 30-35s... I hope this changes as they get closer to the top 10 riders. Otherwise, why would anyone actually pay for this coverage?
  • 15 27
flag stefkrger (Aug 26, 2023 at 6:50) (Below Threshold)
 @stevemokan: because they love and support the sport
  • 1 0
 @stevemokan: yeah, fingers crossed…
  • 1 0
 @stevemokan: Normally does but with the weather they might not want the long gaps today
  • 38 18
 @stevemokan: I think my GCN subscription was £46 for the whole year. Hardly bank breaking, people spend that on coffee in a week! Coverage isn't great but it's still significantly better than not watching it and well worth the small subscription fee.
  • 20 20
 @stefkrger: don't be so self righteous, the coverage for this race is hot garbage. Hardly exciting
  • 23 11
 @hi-dr-nick: agree to disagree. Commentary is controversial, but I think the production work is actually better this year.
  • 17 12
 @stevemokan: Just like Red Bull did... at least for the last 10 they show the full runs, more than RB ever did. The videoproduction is better than it ever was with Red Bull.

The commentary, race format and subscription model etc. are dogshit though.
  • 2 0
 Its now blocked
  • 7 1
 @stefkrger: yeah I especially liked the part where the womens leaderboard was full of mens names & times lol
  • 10 10
 @stefkrger: They're literally showing 30 seconds of racing per rider... That's crap
  • 15 9
 @Nuss-95: production is not better not sure how anyone can say that are we watching the same thing?
  • 31 11
 @waxed: You are clearly looking back through rose tinted glasses. Go rewatch a race covered by Red Bull. They didn't even show the full course for the top 5 riders. They didn't have cameras on the whole track.
  • 8 2
 @hi-dr-nick: Full track for the top 10.
  • 2 1
 @Nuss-95: I agree this
  • 3 9
flag waxed (Aug 26, 2023 at 8:27) (Below Threshold)
 @Nuss-95: is that all your judging the production with! how much of a run they show whilst ignoring the actual poor production of the full run you get to see?

so your basically judging the whole production of the top 10 riders coverage?
  • 3 0
 Big ups!!! Cant adjust image quality aside from other issues mentioned already. Website sucks too. They also had ed masters and taylor vernon on the elite womens start list Big Grin
  • 9 10
 @waxed: What else are you judging the video production on? They have more cameras covering the track, the drone footage is better (at least last race, today it was hit and miss), video quality is better (on desktop, I heard it's not as good on the TV app). What else is there to judge?
  • 68 10
 @Nuss-95: Really? OK
--late start
--six week gap between points cups
--setup designed specifically to end privateers
--season desgined to directly conflict w/ Crankworks
--points set to exclude riders from qualifying once the season has begun (Adam Brayton this week)
--late season end = likely snowfall / freeze-hit tracks
--semis at all, much less same day as finals - absurdly dangerous to all riders and far too much content to enjoy
--laughable commentary
--plastic bags in front of lenses
--rain-covered lenses in views
--not providing the W-Champs even for subscribers
--major viewership loss of core fans
--inability to draw massive tv audience as they claimed

I could go on.

I'm happy to pay for viewing and support - a few months GCN subcritpion = the cost of a rotor, but this is a joke.

Discovery are Shark Week parasites w/ cornball vs. core rider commenters. All respect to the riders but Discovery is doing everyone wrong and what choice do riders have but to keep on going.

But lets agree - its DH riding on film. Fine, but that doesn't mean we all have to pay for it, fall in line & no continue to be vocal about what looks to be effed up. We vote w/ our money - I vote this is a joke.
  • 6 5
 @Nuss-95: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ this... thank you @Mtn-Goat-13 i couldn't be bothered..
  • 1 0
 @Davec85: those are rookie numbers
  • 9 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: it really is shocking, not sure how anyone can defend it. I feel like it should be mandatory that the top 10 riders that go down the track have to wear a GoPro or Insta360 or whatever action cam. That way we can see full runs of the riders hauling ass + if there's issues with the livestream all isn't lost. We still haven't seen our World Champion's full run this year, or Reece's full run a few years back. Infact I think the only full winning run we've seen this season is Jackson Goldstones in Val De Sole. It sucks so bad as a fan of DH not being able to enjoy race weekends like we used too. Proper depressing.
  • 12 29
flag MikeGruhler (Aug 26, 2023 at 13:14) (Below Threshold)
 @Mtn-Goat-13: Boo-hoo, cry me a river. World Champs has never been part of the WC tv package. Point systems are what they are, I like Brayton but dude's off the pace for years, anywhere but Hardline. It sounds like your digging for something to complain about with that one. WC schedule is generally set up 2-3yrs out, at least the dates. Semi's being some how more dangerous for a rider is also funny, riders take the risks there willing to deal with, period. DH is dangerous, period. If riders were worried they'd leave the sport.Your complaint about "to much coverage to enjoy" made my f*cking head hurt. Is it not enough coverage or to much? Water on lenses? really? Cause that never happens at outdoor sporting events. You think people not watching is some how going to benefit WCDH? Discovery could easily write the whole thing off and not even blink at the money wasted. We're a very small niche of a very small sport. For there first year there killing it, it will only get better. Redbull was also a mess there first few seasons, tons of rain on the lenses..lol
  • 10 3
 @Mtn-Goat-13: Thanks for saving me the time to write this. The women's cat coverage I just watched was an absolute joke. 30 second run snippets for 90% of riders then watched dozens of mid-pack mens "full run" The drone footage was terribly produced, terribly flown and vomit inducing too.
  • 6 2
 @waxed: Yeah everything it is shit. Not even close to RedBull
  • 3 3

Can't believe you missed the "No Replays" issue!! No replays after each run, barely even a brief one if there's a crash, means no time to digest and analyse what happened for each rider.
I actually started to feel sorry for the commentators that they don't get a chance to look back on any runs, it's just straight on to the next one as soon as the previous rider crosses the line
  • 9 0
 @dontrideontheroads: Did I imagine the replay of Goldstone hitting the stump that caused that flat? Or Kolb's slide out that caused him to crash?
  • 8 8
 @JonnyTheWeasel: Pinkers falling over one another to whine the loudest, that's what this thread is. I loved the racing and thought the coverage was fine. I could pay for this if I weren't such a cheapskate (and if tiz-cycling didn't exist).
  • 4 0
 @Nuss-95: the live redbull feed was very laggy and buffeting and low speed so made watching live unbearable sometimes here in nz. if you exclude the drone shots. I don't think they have more cameras. and the far away drone shots dont add much after seeing the shot twice. but can look good if not overdone. in a previous round i watched redbull and disco back to back. redbull showed more track but it wasnt by much , same length of time per run.
imo the only improvement are the drone shots, streaming quality, enduro and junior coverage.
Ric does a great job in interviews and non live commentating like enduro where I think he is fantastic.
Get the old crew back and have Ric do the roving reporter part.
  • 2 0
 @gcrider: Yeah to me the only difference in riding footage itself was Redbull used to build a little platform that was up high enough that it got a better angle of riders and showed the detail of the track better, and was above spectators and padding/fences. They'd also put them in really good spots that could get a lot of riding into one continuous shot.
  • 6 2
 @MikeGruhler: please learn there their and they’re are different. Thank you.
  • 4 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: Ok - here is my perspective on GCN from a viewer in Ireland - my first year of subscription
- DHI needs a lot of work in terms of the production and commentary - but it is not unwatachable
- XCI is good - I have been more than happy
- We had full world champs coverage for every discipline and it was fantastic seeing all the other disciplines and I am glad I didnt have to put up with that woeful comentator for the DHI from BBC as per last year
- Got to watch the cyclocross at the beginning of the year - fantastic
- Had full tour de France coverage - which was great (as well as all the other road cycling events which I ordinarily would not watch - but might well now)

I hope they will take feedback from the community and improve the DHI coverage in time

If it is only downhill you are after and the fact that you did not get worlds then I understand you might be annoyed (but you never used to get worlds with redbull anyway - well we never did here) - but if you are interested in all disciplines of cycling - then it is great
  • 2 1
 @ravens-outdoor: Doing my best to snipe & be hyperbolic when I can! Jokes aside, I could sit down and watch this but it's insulting to me so I refuse. I hope tens of thousands of other Corps fans also refuse until discovery pools there big boy big girl pants up and treats this like something legitimate instead of losing its core audience
  • 1 0
 @dontrideontheroads: My bad! I had a longer list but only so much time... will add that next time...
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: Falling over to point out amateur coverage & flawed design easily dunks on Pinkers bending over to take it for UCI & Shark Week TV

I was at least willing to pay for coverage, and I did until I saw what a trash product it was. Ended up covering three months before realizing I was getting duped... so at least one of us coughed up $$$ and gave it a shot.

I don't remember anywhere in the PB or UCI terms and conditions where we have to pay regale sophomoric attempts at learning on the job
  • 1 0
 @stretchza: Fair enough, and good points. I don't care or watch cross country or road at all, just not my jam or interest but I get that others do.

I do think it's ironic however that paying a GCN subscription would exclude the world champs. There's simply no reason to do that and foist it off onto some platforms that people have to dig around to even find, it just doesn't compute

I gave it a shot, I paid and bled up until I realized my subscription didn't even cover the world champs and that was all I could stand - the 1.5 min official UCI "highlights" of the Champs race told me all I need to know & Whoever devised the porn sex wet slap laugh-tracks over dub on those Fort Bill jumps should be hung upside down backwards on the whaling hook

I'm just not gonna cover pay for learning on the job coverage like this. Maybe in a few years when their sophomoric skills become more expert and until then I'll just check out the highlights and ride my bike more.
  • 2 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: I think the fact that you could not watch world champs was more of a licensing conflict issue with a provider in the US as opposed to GCN's fault. I dont think people in the UK could watch it either because the BBC bought the rights for the world champs. There was no national broadcaster conflict here in Ireland so we were able to watch through GCN

I get what you saying though, and yes, I would prefer it was still on Red Bull...but I will persevere!
  • 2 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: I assume you know this, but you could have just used a vpn + your GCN+ sub to watch world champs for no additional fee. That’s what I did.
  • 1 0
 @nvranka: Did - had to pay a months worth (1st) to get "free" trial but it didn't work. Did it last year. One of my buds here to watch is a tech dude - also couldn't get the VPN to work. Diddled w/ support for an hour then said f*ck this, lets ride. Had to be a VPN issue but - just one more reason none of this had to happen. Why would any core fan, who were 99% of people trying to watch, even messing around w/ finding other viewing platforms when GCN could've just carried it? Makes no sense. Just another reason for me to despise them. They could've done it differently this year.

Ultimately this is no biggie - its just f*cking bikes. But for UCI to bid it out & then have to kinda start over - just doesn't compute. to me. Literally none - no one - of my DH loving buds I've watched with for 15 years are even bothering. Just easier to focus on things you don't have to solve rubiks cubes to watch.
  • 1 1
 @nvranka: As long as you capitalize the first letter in your sentence, and put commas between there and their. Funny that's what you decided to nit pick about my comment, but you can't use proper punctuation or sentence structure.
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 @MikeGruhler: lmao, I suggest you just do what I said please.
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 @Mtn-Goat-13: do you despise the UCI for bidding out world's or GCN for not having been awarded it? From what I've read online, UCI farmed out the rights as a whole, with geographic limitations/exclusivity, so if you live in a country where a broadcaster has successfully bought the rights & blocked out all others, that's not the fault of the outlet who don't have it.
  • 2 0
 @andyrm: I actually defended UCI (and a bit blindly for years) until this seasons DH. I have argued back & forth here for years w/ people...but I'md one with them and everything they direct.

Yeah, bureacracy. Yeah, crazy rules, yeah some old guys and desk jockeys not necessarily in touch (but some who are). Pros & cons. There's always something to gripe about and I won't apologize for that - its part of the f*cking point of these comments here so if that curdles yr milk, just move on. The cons far outweight the pro's this year (pun intended!) in every facet of DH coverage from structrue, rules, intent, pay, coverage, and planning.

Point being - UCI could've just rolled Champs into the GCN package & been done with it - but surely it mustl've been viewed as more "product" to sell - I get that. I own a biz (35 yrs now).

Point being: this was lame. UCI has gone nuts w/ the DH rules, Discover are Shark Week interlopers and the coverage for W-Champs was hysterically unwatchable - that porn-sex, over-dubbed, laugh-trax SLAP they cut into the jumps section was easily the worst & crappiest move I've ever seen on film with bikes.

So yeah - once I realized I was STILL cut off from Champs - like every other year (I've been watching DH since it began & can say Redbull had its share of horrors too) - I just couldn't support Learning On The Job that Discovery is pulling.

Its laughable - and it is not me. I know about 20 DH riders, many for coming up on 20+ years now and some newer ones - NO ONE is interested in the Discovery coverage. We used to have bike parties every race - that's over. Its a joke and we're just gonna focus on riding and outer-coverage. UCI and Discovery do not deserve and will not earn our $. Not til they get shit right.
  • 1 0
 @stretchza: I'm fully - entirely - aware that UCI has always farmed out the Champs race most years - and I've been in the herds of livestock mooing and baa-ing about it. UCI & GCN gave every indication this year that ALL DH races were gonna be in GCN+ this year.

I even tried to use a VPN - didn't work. Got a tech buddy to try & figure it out - didn't work.

I shouldn't have to go strip-mining and off on wild goose chases to watch a f*cking race. UCI says they want to "bring DH to the world" - but this is handily and exactly how not to do that. Core fans - are falling off the map.
  • 2 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: I would have to think UCI packages World Champs separate because it's all cycling disciplines, not just mtb. Still dumb though, can't argue that.
  • 2 0
 @MikeGruhler: Its always more complicated than I (or most of us) think... but I can also gripe w/ the best of them and this helps me get the anxiety out.
  • 77 2
 Man I don't even care now I'm just stoked to see Greg finish a run an be really happy about it after all the flats and things he's had go wrong.
  • 15 2
 Man he came so close to winning the rain game, pretty damn good result either way!
  • 11 0
 Thought he had it over Thibault after the 4th split. That duel was the best of this race for sure!
  • 43 1
 I wonder if Lyle swapped Greg’s rear wheel for Jackson’s when no-one was looking…;-)
  • 9 2
 To rush down a mountain, then realize you've got a goat biting at your heels... Never count the man out. He might just take another win this year.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Yeah it was a really aggressive run too, hell it's good.
  • 72 11
 THE COMMENTARY IS WOEFUL! Just now the after race get together to camera, Gwin and Amaury with some female commentator, and the female says " and someone next to me who will be wearing the rainbow jersey tonight..... Nina Hoffman.... and it's Tahnee Seagrave...... it's just cringeworthy! Jeees someone please just pay Rob Warner some dollars and get Tracey back to interview trackside.

Discovery have taken the sport backwards 10 yrs! What a shit show!
  • 17 0
 She also won't be wearing the rainbow jersey
  • 12 70
flag JonnyTheWeasel (Aug 26, 2023 at 8:26) (Below Threshold)
 Is there a problem with her being female?
  • 54 3
 @JonnyTheWeasel: of course not! There's a problem with them putting someone on the TV commentary team, that knows f*ck all about the sport they are there to commentate on! I used the term "female" as I don't know the lady's name - please don't bait for some sort of sexist bollox!
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flag JonnyTheWeasel (Aug 26, 2023 at 8:41) (Below Threshold)
 @Molly2202: No bait...it was the "some female" part of your comment which sounded weird. Anyway, I've seen plenty of veteran news presenters / sports commentators make mistakes in their time. I imagine it's pretty chaotic down at that finish line at the end of a race.
  • 20 3
 It's like watching tv in black and white and one shitty mono speaker. Rob, Eliott, Tracey are all part of the mtb comunity, they know the riders and the riders know them. From the vlogs, one can tell that they do appear in the pits and chat to people. Emelie Siegenthaler did the commentary for the championship in fort william and lenzerheide in german, and she knew actual details about almost every rider, and she knew the tracks every detail of it. Nothing against Cedric, i grew up watching him ride rampage etc, but that doesnt make him a commentator, neither the other guy.
  • 8 0
 Glad I missed that rainbow jersey comment!! There is a GCN+ feed that just has the race and not all the fluff/BS. The UK bloke is fine but Cedric wasn't made for this.
  • 13 0
 @JonnyTheWeasel: you’re aware that using descriptive factors to identify a person isn’t inherently negative, right?
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flag JonnyTheWeasel (Aug 26, 2023 at 10:38) (Below Threshold)
 @captaindingus: depends on the context
  • 2 0
 Can someone please post a clip of this goof, just have to see it.
  • 8 0
 @mtbcyclist: haha yes that was hilarious. What did she even mean with wearing the rainbow jersey tonight?? That comment made no sense front to back
  • 6 12
flag Bushmaster123 (Aug 26, 2023 at 20:05) (Below Threshold)
 @JonnyTheWeasel: JonnyTheWokeIdiot
F ing tosser...
  • 5 15
flag Bushmaster123 (Aug 26, 2023 at 20:06) (Below Threshold)
 @JonnyTheWeasel: Hey Jonny! Go f*ck yourself.
  • 1 0
 @mchacker: that is something I can’t I unsee. I immediately cringed.
  • 3 3
 @suspended-flesh: the “UK bloke” is fine? Are you deaf, dumb or both? Lmao!

He just repeats his same few braindead lines the whole race. If you actually listen to what he’s saying, it’s awful.
  • 3 6
 @JonnyTheWeasel: yes you are! a*shole...
  • 4 3
 @Bushmaster123: Lol - I see I'm dealing with a 5 year old.
  • 2 0
 @JonnyTheWeasel: That dude is on the brink of getting suspended again.
  • 2 0
 @nvranka: He can string a coherent sentence together. It's 2023 - this is what we get. Freedom from choice.
  • 1 0
 That’s was sooooooo bad it was cringetastic
  • 1 0
 @mchacker: hahahahahaha omg
  • 52 0
 Stoked for Nina and Tahnee!
  • 24 2
 Yeah, congrats to Nina and particularly happy for Tahnee after such a tough time with injuries.
  • 17 0
 Good to see Marine Cabirou up there as well after a rough year or two of injuries
  • 6 1
 If only I knew which one was which. Is Nina the one in the rainbow stripes?
  • 49 3
 Another race not a level playing field with the weather. Must be so frustrating for top, fastest riders having to come down with worst conditions. There's not many sports where weather conditions can stop top 15 athletes being competitive. I know it's noones fault but it is maddening
  • 23 15
 Nah mate Thibaut is a top guy, he nearly won at VDS, well deserved win. Great to see Greg on there too, you still have to turn up. They still beat guys like Laurie Greenland in the same conditions.
  • 30 6
 It’s almost like afternoon mountain storms are a common occurrence that could be planned for…
Race in the morning. Ditch semis for good!
Juniors on Friday.
Elite Women on Saturday.
Elite Men on Sunday.
Get everyone off the hill before 1pm.
Adjust for incoming weather the day or morning before as necessary.
Let the racers RACE on a similar track.
  • 11 1
 ski is like that and it has a lot of tradition.
also it can bring a nugget rider to the top 10 and give the extra boost in his/her career and confidence.
  • 6 1
 Well they could have run everyone in same conditions. They moved it up then moved it back. Based on what Dean ans Ed said it would have been wet race for everybody if they ran it at the time they gave everybody last night but they want to keep playing with start time. I bet they wanted to get best show for top riders, that failed miserably.
  • 4 0
 Four protected riders in the last five places, so it was pretty extreme today. But that's racing, congrats to the winners.
  • 8 4
 Pretty much every single start racing sport is like that, no? Especially those that take place in mountains...
  • 3 1
 @snomaster: Sunday is for the coveted xc
  • 3 5
 Get over it. It’s called “mountain” biking for a reason.
  • 1 0
 @pisgahgnar: as xco starts at the same time with the same conditions, and it’s almost always only on the lower mountain, [by my logic] they can have their mass start at 1p on Sunday
  • 3 0
 @snomaster: there's like 20 elite women, shouldn't take too long in the morning to get them done first.
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 @bikes-arent-real: Greenland quali'd 18th. That why he had similar conditions to Thibaut.
Look at times top 10 were posting and they didn't have a chance.

Nothing to do with Daprela being a top guy or not?! It's not his fault. Weird you took that from my comment.
  • 2 0
 @mfoga: Yeah but you can't really say that's anyone's fault. It's weather it's incontrollable and it's a fact of racing. Jackson won at VDS in the wet. I remember Nina saying they woke up at 5am just to be mucked around all day, some riders would have been disadvantaged and tired by that.
  • 3 0
 @puukkopedro: Yeah they didn't have a chance, but guess what, there is next race and it's DH racing, it's always like this. Laurie is one of those elite riders, he's been at the pointy end all year and Daprela beat him, the winner is fair. A bunch of guys missed out but you know what the sport isn't a free ride for the best riders. It's a Downhill race and if it rains then it rains.
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 @bikes-arent-real: it’s is not something they can control but if you are going to move the start time up to super early at the last min don’t change your mind again unless it was unsafe(didn’t sound like it was) or if you are going to move it for rain to later you better be right it was be equal when you could have run everyone when they thought it was gong to be. Instead they moved it for let’s be honest for the show , every single decision this year has been for the show and they failed. At least the show got everyone’s names right, oh wait never mind they can’t even do that right.
  • 8 0
 @mfoga: they moved it up but the storm came in faster than expected.
Was unsafe with high winds. People there were told to get off the mountain and seek shelter.
  • 9 3
 @bgoldstone: give up on it. Keyboard warriors on the other end of the world obviously know best how to run a race. Not that the decision to shift the schedule was mainly based on the ability to fly a rescue heli and run the cable car..
  • 3 2
 Alpine sport. Deal with weather or GTFO
  • 5 2
 @stefkrger: Your using logic, stop that. We only discuss uninformed and illogical opinions based on no experience here on PB...lol
Guess they forgot the debacle of getting brook off the hill after breaking his back. Just imagine that, their actually considering the safty of the racers and people still want to bitch. Nothing but a bunch of childish people complaining they can't get free shit. Bunch of Karen's in here.
  • 2 0
 @bikes-arent-real: He is a top guy but was lucky to have a bad quali.
  • 53 7
 That was the first time I watched the live stream. I thought you guys were just over exaggerating how bad the commentary was. You were not. Holy crap Garcia is bad.
  • 5 2
 and the other guy´s accent., jesus. cant understand a word when he starts speaking faster
  • 6 0
 We gave you Cédric Gracia for the English commentary to get Flo Letondeur in replacement, and that's the best thing that could happen this year for the French speaking viewers. His knowledge is fabulous.

Anyway, I miss Rob's punchlines.
  • 3 0
 And today was a little better. Less screaming.
  • 14 16
 Geez, the commentary is fine. People are just piling on week after week and it's getting old. Rick and Garcia bring their own energy and had a few good one-liners. Is it exactly like how it was with Rob? No. But it's not horrendous, terrible, awful, or holy crap bad.
  • 5 4
 @eckljkr: they did a great job today. I’d wear a silicone wristband supporting them.
  • 9 0
 @eckljkr: can you monkeys please figure out that it is Gracia and not Garcia??? Jesus.
  • 8 3
 @maxnomas: Ric is worse than Cedric. Not even compared to Rob. He’d just be an average to bad commentator for any sport. Doesn’t help that he’s not confident on a bike and let’s you know that every chance he gets.
  • 2 1
 @succulentsausage: Cedric is terrible, even factoring in that English is his second language. Ric is bland, but at least what he says generally makes some kind of sense. When Cedric starts yelling "LOOK AT THE BIG ANDLEBAR" or whatever, I cringe and feel embarrassed for our sport. For someone with his level of success and involvement in mountain biking, he should be able to come up with something at least slightly insightful. Even Claudio had some good feedback occasionally in between his babbling.
  • 4 0
 @leon-forfar: I always hope they will pick up things that are happening on the track but they never do. I'll see riders start taking a slightly different line into a berm to avoid the bomb holes created, what does that mean for their entry or exit speed? Rob would walk the side of track during practice, usually a couple times, and would bring in some points about how lines developed in certain sections. He wasn't perfect, but he was way better than these two.
  • 3 0
 @pisgahgnar: That's exactly what Flo Letondeur does now in the french commentary. When Gracia just shouts "Look at the body language !", Flo will explain precisely what this language is, what are the signs of confidence or tiredness in the rider's stance. Same for the line choices. French commentary are definitely better now, whithout CG !
  • 48 5
 Who thought it was a good idea to have Karen in the fake leopard do the post race? This coverage feels so alien to the sport I actually love.
  • 80 0
 "we have Nina Hoffman here with us"


"I'm Tahnee Seagrave"
  • 5 0
 Yes, I thought it was so out of our sport mentality.
  • 13 1
 I understand she's done this kind of sports hosting before, but this "random person in fancy clothes not knowing a whole lot about this specific sport" thing just doesn't fit too well at all in DH. She just looks (and sounds) so out of place compared to everyone else on and off screen when on location.

That's why I always choose to watch the race options without the "live show" on GCN+, and actually watch the podium ceremonies and rider interviews instead of those often rather awkward chats she has with guests (lately injured riders as they're available aplenty). Thanks to this I'd actually missed the Nina-Tahnee f*ck up completely, had to go now and check it, oh dear lord.
  • 2 0
 She called Aaron, Allen during the pre race commentary too. Just get an ex racer in there already.
  • 34 0
 Gwin quote on Minnaar: That‘s why they call him the goat. What a moment. Gotta love that man.
  • 17 0
 Cool to see gwin becoming more of an ambassador to the sport. Not in a way of stepping away from racing, but recognizing that he loves the sport.

Early on there were all the rumors of him retiring early and trying something else, and maybe it’s just owning a team and having a stake in intense, but seems like he’s very invested in the sport and not just his own racing, and that’s pretty cool to see.

I’m oddly more of a fan of him these days than in his winning days.
  • 14 1
 @Longroadtonowhere: Man he would be a good commentator tbh. He's not super emotional but is very passionate and knowledgeable. And ofc it's Gwin so anything he puts his mind to he is going to do well at.
  • 1 0
  • 34 1
 Was amazing to see Tahnee Seagrave for Santa Cruz take the win and Nina Hoffman for Canyon take 3rd place.....what a fuck up of a post race interview
  • 30 0
 Bruni was on a different level, the only rider to get so close to the dry condition times.
  • 4 0
 A legendary run for the history books.
  • 4 0
 Yeah, Bruni's run was definitely the best run of the day for me, incredibly impressive.
  • 42 17
 I'm going to get downvoted for this, but I thought the commentating was better today. More constrained and balanced than previously.
  • 8 1
 have to imagine cedric has been getting coaching. was relatively restrained & coherent this round. perhaps there's hope?
  • 8 1
 I think they are seeing what people are saying and both seemed to have improved. Not great but still much better first races.
  • 5 11
flag eckljkr (Aug 26, 2023 at 19:38) (Below Threshold)
 The commentary was good. People have been shitting on it way too much - a few days were a little off, but it was never horrific.
  • 4 4
 @eckljkr: As if Claudio and Rob weren't making mistakes or not full of silly hype/ People are exaggerating the quality difference.
  • 6 2
 How about we cut Ric and get someone who can add even just the slightest bit of value?

Dude could be replaced by AI.
  • 2 0
 The race commentary has definitely improved. The post-race interviews could use a little work though
  • 1 0
 It was less irritating but not better.The sooner the replacements come in the better.
  • 27 2
 Minnar minnar, do do do do.
  • 18 0
 Cathro needs to get into that last woods section right now. We need to know what the hell is going on.
  • 1 5
flag betsie (Aug 26, 2023 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 That was obvious yesterday. The race is over now so good he didn't try and reveal what was happening. Riders have heaps of spotters though.
  • 16 1
 Go Nina. Anyone who watched Fox Dialed will have heard her saying how much faster she could ride after setup changes to her fork. Clearly paid off!
  • 21 4
 I miss the the FREE to watch Redbull live stream.
  • 17 1
 no semis makes it enjoyable again!! one run send it as downhill should be!!
  • 20 5
 This isn’t half bad now. Maybe I can do with Rick and Cedric if they just cut the semi thing
  • 5 0
 I watched it with the German commentary for the first time in my life. It was much better, than the English! Real enthusiasm and insights. Definitely recommended for German speakers.
  • 2 0
 @dizIzib: I guess we were scarred by the red bull German commentary which wasn't exactly great in comparison to Rob (*wipes tear)
  • 12 1
 Great to see wins form Daprella and Hoffman, two people who really deserve it even if the weather was tough. Also to have Seagreave, Kerr, Isles and Minnar of the box makes me super excited for the rest of the season. Again another woeful effort on the production and commentary side but its still a great sport to watch. Sadly the post race was just awful, why not let Gwin and Amuray lead the talking rather than a commentator that clearly has no grasp of the sport.
  • 12 0
 Been nice listening to Gwin on the broadcast.
  • 12 0
 Wow, Minnaar just blew up that track. Hope he holds that lead!
  • 5 2
 This didn’t last long. Daprela is a mad man.
  • 9 2
 @pisgahgnar: if it had stayed dry be a different story 100%
  • 11 3
 I thought the commentary today on GCN+ was much improved on the last televised race I watched (Val di Sole). One thing I noticed is there was a bit more historical context included - Rob used to have Martin Whitely in his ear relaying race stats and facts for him live during the race (MW said so on a Downtime interview) so I wonder if they've maybe now got something like this in place. To be fair, Ric's been covering the sport as a journalist for so long he may be doing it himself pre-race.

Some of the camera work was pretty dodgy (the drone, some long shots cut in so early I thought the rider had gone down) but some was excellent (the shot through the trees between splits 2 and 3 and the lowermost woods sections) in what must have been pretty challenging conditions.

Post race interviews on GCN+ were OK - professional interviewer rather than an ex-rider (I think?).
  • 4 6
 Ric is a braindead ape who repeats the same canned general bs the whole time and has zero knowledge about the riders or how to ride. It’s crazy.
  • 2 0
 @nvranka:Really? He worked for Red Bull for almost 10 years, writes for Cranked, Misspent Summers and MBUK and commentates on the EWS. Never met the fella but I'm guessing he has some tales to tell.
  • 11 0
 Ninaaa!!! So stoked for her!
  • 12 0
 Fuck yes Greg!
  • 11 0
 Jackson must have gotten Greg’s wheel
  • 4 4
 He utterly smashed his back wheel into a tree stump. That was a clear riders error. No wheel would have survived that.
  • 7 0
 This shambles isn't exclusive to DH either. Look at the state of this evenings TTT at the Vuelta. Riders hanging around all day in the dry to be told they must race in lethal conditions at night with no lights. The UCI doesn't give a flying ---- about anything other than lining its back pocket in all disciplines of cycling.
  • 2 0
 I thought the Vuelta was organised by ASO?

It was a ludicrously poor decision though. Also fair to point out that the UCI is not really popular in other disciplines.
  • 10 0
 Foreshadowing for MSA in October
  • 7 0
 Add some frost delays and snow flurries though.
  • 10 0
 Love our sport for the fact that there is 20 years between the top 2 guys
  • 10 0
 Bruni's run was sensational, on par with the all time best
  • 9 0
 Greg on the beers yeoooowwwwww
  • 9 1
 Why are GCN+ having interviews at the same time the podium press are going on!!???
  • 8 3
 What would you gain from live commentary of the podium scene? "And now, ladies and gentlemen, we see 4th place finisher Vidal raise the bouquet to raucous applause from the crowd!!"
  • 3 0
 There are two separate streams, although if there's some other race like road stuff going on at the same time, the other option isn't necessarily at the top of the list. The one that "includes the live show" has the post race chats and whatnot without showing the podiums at all (the issue not being just someone talking over the ceremony), the other version shows the podium ceremonies and top rider interviews. Why of course the live show one is the default offered first.
  • 5 0
 Happy for the top 3 elite women the best three riders definitely won. I was routing for BK as always I really want to see him get that win he craves. What can you say about Minaar that hasn't already been said? He's been a certified legend for what feels like forever.
  • 7 0
 He may not have been the fastest due to conditions but Bruni’s looked pretty close to bike riding perfection, amazing stuff!
  • 10 6
 No disrespect to Ric and Cedric but next to rob warner who is a god among mtb commentary they aren’t entertaining, this makes me not care to watch the broadcasts. I’ll be following crankworx religiously from now on instead unless the world cups can sort this out. And why did they change the official naming to “World Series”, so many issues with this season it’s pretty dismal, I am glad some riders are speaking their mind about how they feel this season. The UCI needs to listen and not ruin the sport
  • 5 3
 Agreed. Ultimately commentary is not the riding itself but its become a major part of the experience - which is what Discovery is selling. They are selling a mediocre commentary experience. Couldn't even watch this race and won't pay for this after trying the 1st 3 races (then getting shut out on W-Champ).

Only way to even match Rob is to get some actual f*cking core insiders in the box - and trained instead what looks like Fog-Commentary from noob commenters (and yes I realzie Cedric is a longtime rider & Rampage ex). Doesn't make it legit.
  • 10 1
 Damn Loic was pissed.
  • 2 7
flag BenPea (Aug 26, 2023 at 12:07) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like the rain only affect the last few guys. Bag of shite.
  • 5 0
 @BenPea: Thats racing. Sometimes you get the luck, sometimes you don't.
  • 1 2
 @BenPea: Yeah and at VDS it effected the guys who were outside the top 5 more and the top guys had a drying track. Its racing, get over it or go and watch indoor ice skating.
  • 4 0
 Finn had to warn him about the cameras
  • 1 1
 I would've loved to have caught what he said...
  • 1 0
 @bikes-arent-real: chill buddy, I know how it works. Still a bit frustrating though.
  • 7 1
 Women's coverage was a disgrace. So undervalued as a cohort. The whole thing so far has been an overpromised mess as far as a consumer of the GCN+ model goes.
  • 4 1
 At least scrapping the semis showed us what a great final could look like - more than 10 women, fierce competition for the top slot. The 10-women final is a disgrace on the regular schedule.
  • 9 2
 How come no one gave Brayton a national jersey so he could race?
  • 9 3
 Rob & Tracey must be pissing their pants laughing at this shower of shit! ;-)
  • 8 0
 Yes Minnaar!!!
  • 5 0
 I had written off Greg Minnaar lately. Thought it was time for him to retire...I am very happy to eat my own words! What a Beast!
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  • 3 0
 I’m sure I’ll get downvoted, but I agree with most people that the semis should be scrapped. I would also like to see a smaller final. I generally only pay attention to the top 20 riders, or top 40 if I I really enjoy the track. I feel the first 2 or 3 races should be for trying to qualify you to race. Top 80 qualify for semis, and top 30 from semis race. And then keep the top 40 men. And top 30 women, and just have 2 finals the races after. The alternates would be based on the best average places of the first 2 or 3 races. This would allow people a chance to qualify in without costing as much, create better incentives for sponsors to back riders, and hopefully evolve the local scene as top talent will be in their respective home countries to ride.
Though I’m just a keyboard warrior, so what do I know. ‍♂️
  • 5 0
 It's awesome when people overcome adversity and put it together. Way to go Nina!!!
  • 5 3
 Insultingly bad broadcast coverage today. Honestly looks like a new production crew every race - the overhead shots are useless, they apparently cannot hire a decent FPV drone pilot, and many of the camera locations seem super awakward.

Were we just that spoiled by Red Bull?
  • 4 6
 You wear rose tinted glasses. People kept complaining the same way about RB broadcasts. They are different but no, they aren't worse.
  • 2 0
 Drone operator was dogshit today, which is weird, because he was so fucking good in VDS. No, people complained about Red Bull all the time too.
  • 5 0
 @Nuss-95: I'm surprised that they didn't ground the drones because of the high winds. It doesn't matter how good the pilot is when the thing is getting blown sideways by 80kmh guests. They're never going to keep the rider in frame
  • 2 0
 I don’t know if it’s the sum of a lots of minor changes, or the overly fussy camera/drone work or simply the loss of Warner but DH has truly lost its magic this year.

I feel for the racers who hoped the discovery take over was going to raise the profile of racing. As a long time avid watcher I have a membership but I wouldn’t renew it based on the state of DH this year.
  • 2 1
 found this with spanish commentary that's actually pretty insightful, for those who speak spanish.
Is up now with the first riders on track.
Tiz-cycling worked like shit for me today (and even working normally is annoying with all the cut) so gonna try this and if they broadcast every race I'll stick to it.
It is the sports channel of Spain's public tv, btw
  • 1 0
 after watching most of the race again I'll correct myself, comments are bad. One is an ex racer with zero stoke and the othe one a clueless generic sports commentator. Still better than gcn, tho
  • 3 2
 the Commentary was seriously like WTF, Took them half the track to realise goldstone had a flat, Anyone watching couldve seen that in multiple camera angles before the stump.... Then they replay the stump 2 extra times.... like no you clowns it was dead as before that. Surely these guys wouldve improved by now, Some of its even worse... Calling riders by wrong names etc if i preformed this bad at my job id be given the boot, but i guess they were probably the cheapest guys.
  • 3 1
 I'm curious to know what viewer ratings are this season compared to last? I bet it'll only get worse year after year... I know one thing, I haven't missed any Saturday rides to watch world cups this year
  • 2 1
 I'm curious to know how much money Redbull was loosing in order to not continue doing WC's? If it was making them any kind of real money they would have stuck around, they were most likely breaking even or just making a small profit. WB/Disco figured out to be profitable that they have to charge something. Makes sense really. This idea of free content has to stop eventually, everyone's been sucking that teat to long.
  • 2 1
 @MikeGruhler: Unless you're privy to the bidding process, that's a lot of supposition on your part.
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 @commental: Yep, and here's some more...It's not hard to understand how money works. If Redbull was making money hand over fist they would have stuck around, it's a good assumption. Redbull market value is believed to be 19Billion, Disco is around 31Billion. They both have money to spend so it's interesting that Redbull walked away after so many years of investment and time. Wouldn't be surprised if UCI raised the amount of money it costs to bid for the contract. Redbull probably makes a better return doing Crankworks then WC so I could also see that being a determining factor as well. Either way it's really interesting to think about.
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 @MikeGruhler: How do you know they walked away and weren't simply outbid?
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 @commental: I don't know, but generally when you're outbid it's because it won't profitable if you go above a certain amount. Unfortunately at the end of the day it's about money not MTB'ing.
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 @MikeGruhler: exactly this. If putting all that $$$ into DH didn't move the needle in can sales, what's the point in all that marketing expenditure?
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 @MikeGruhler: Thing is we don't know how the bidding system worked. Were they sealed bids? Was there any room for negotiation once bids were submitted? Maybe RB submitted what they thought would be a winning bid and got it wrong. Unless you're party to all that information it's just speculation.
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 @commental: Absolutely, great points.Thx for pointing out those kind of things. Would still rather speculate about this then jumping on the "bash the broadcast" bandwagon. I f'n love DH and can't ride anymore due to back injuries but absolutely love the fact I can watch the races and all the awesome auxiliary race week coverage.
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 @MikeGruhler: Yes, the vlogs from the riders add so much to the event. I'm not a fan of the double headers as we miss out on the great DH coverage provided by MoiMoi and Eddie. I think it also dilutes the EDR coverage.
Sorry to hear about your back.
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 @commental: Ehh, no worries on the back man. Just adding some context to my experience with it all. Definitely a lot coverage but I don't mind it to much. I wake up @5am every day regardless, race days start @4:30am. I watch semi's with a coffee in the garage, poke the web and just relax. Doesn't really dig into may day to much.
  • 1 0
 Anyone else get a UCI - WSB Sports email yesterday at 5pm with the winners in the subject before they watched the race?

Out the blue I got one on 22nd with countdown to andora. Can’t spot a single email from them before (GCN+ member)
  • 2 0
 I actually save money by subscribing to gcn. Less where and tear on my bike because I am sitting in front of the telly watching DH instead of being out there thrashing my bike. Win win
  • 5 0
 Congratulations Nina!
  • 1 0
 Looks like everyone's losing time after the last split to Antione, save for Mark Wallace who gained time but not enough. Interesting to see if that tracks for the rest of the riders
  • 3 0
 It's kind of sad to see all those riders past 30th place receiving zero points.
  • 1 1
 I saw the a post from the UCI that the race had been postponed. Then I saw the results from the race pop up. Oh well would have liked to have watched that. Surely it would have made sense to the start of the race is delayed rather than the race is postponed
  • 1 1
 Why can’t they let the top few riders from quali ride in better or the best conditions instead of having to ride at the end? We can see it as their having earned the right to race under favourable conditions by doing well in the qualis.
  • 1 1
 Top qualifying riders go last to create a level playing field for the rest of the field. Slower riders get a slightly better track to try and even up the field and create tighter times. As well it helps build up excitement as each rider generally gets faster as the race goes on. Imagine 1st place qualifier going first and so on. Everyone would switch off 10 riders in. All common sense really.
  • 3 0
 Weather's going tits up again! Strap yourselves in, boys and girls...
  • 2 0
 From checking the weather forecasts it should just be wind and light rain. There was a prediction of thunderstorms for this time earlier today but let's hope that doesn't happen.
  • 3 3
 @edspratt: We'll see. It'll take a direct lightning trike to stop Vali winning this though.
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 Or Nina Hoffmann lol. No bloody way.
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 @BenPea: don't hassle the Hoff
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 @BenPea: Couldn't help imagining some cartoonish madman on a trike chasing Vali down the mountain, shooting lightning bolts in all directions. Vali is quicker, but the lightning trike is straightlining and doesn't care about the taping. Could Rocketman stop him?
  • 2 0
 Why do they keep the 2 or 3 minuts gap between riders when rain is likely to come ?
  • 5 1
 @pasteque51: Because people complain all the time when the gaps are smaller.
  • 3 1
 @Nuss-95: always better than seeing top riders 10 sec off…
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 Yes Greg!!!!
  • 4 1
 Anyone else who got their day ruined by the GCN+ apple tv app not working?
  • 4 5
 Replace Cedric with Josh Carlson. Carlson in the booth.
Cedric, with the post run interviews and actually have someone trackside and actually cross to them from time to time to look at track changing and point out things the box team don’t see.
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 Carlson is an absolute fun void whenever he's popped up. Offers nothing of value.
  • 5 3
 Semi finals are crap. Coverage is crap. Commentary is worse than crap. The UCI is ruining downhill. That is all.
  • 1 1
 Coverage is the best we ever had lol. Semi finals and commentary are dogshit though, yeah.
  • 2 0
 Hells ya Finn killing it out there making us Canadians super proud and stoked!!
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 I find it entertaining to see but not painfully read all the super long comments vomiting on the chosen commentators as if these folks are video entertainment recruiters. You are so far from that. Go away w your comments and enjoy the show while the world can still tolerate it.
  • 3 2
 No hangover today so hopefully I can handle the screaming Frenchman commentary.
  • 6 0
 That drone shot almost did for me.
  • 5 4
 Video coverage absolutely sucks. It's the RACING I want to see - not just a few turns and the finish line!
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 Canadians 1 and 2 in the overall!
  • 2 0
 So happy for Nina Hoffmann! Congrats!
  • 1 0
 With Cami out could they not have added the 16th rider who missed out on qualis just to make up the numbers.
  • 1 0
 Adam Brayton STILL sitting 59th overall despite not being eligible to even enter a race anymore..
  • 1 0
 Gregyou beast Goat! What a run from him. And CG has calmed down a bit and did better this round. Things are looking up.
  • 1 0
 Never ever count out Greg Minaar it seems. So stoked to see him back on the box!
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 1. first: Daprela - 22 years old
2. second: Minaar - 41 years old

what a legend!
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 The Hoff’
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 Looks like they blocked off the road gap and bridge feature? Or did Taylor Vernon just decide to go around?
  • 8 0
 They have blocked it off today. All of the riders had a chance to practice with it closed earlier.
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 @edspratt: thanks for keeping us all updated with all these posts over the last 24 hrs. Much appreciated.
  • 1 0
 There was talk about that at the beginning of this story. Because of strong gusts of wind.

"The road gap that caused a number of issues in qualifying including taking out Camille Balanche has been removed for today's finals".
  • 1 0
 @Footey72: yes. At least one dude on it today.
  • 1 4
 Is Antoine Pierron actually sponsored by Union or is it a typo and is he sponsored by Unior (the tool manufacturer)? I do know Union as a bike brand (from Pon-Bike) but they don't quite make something suitable for safely rolling down the Andorra track.
  • 3 0
 The Union ride Santa Cruz bikes.
  • 2 0
 yeah Nina!!!!!!!
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 Go Nina!!!!
  • 3 2
 I’m assuming Dak broke a chain or flagged at top?
  • 1 0
 Was curious also, few comments above mention he got caught in the rain ️
  • 1 0
 So first and second men’s drew?
  • 1 0
 It's a mistake on pinkbike. Greg was 0.121 behind
  • 1 0
 There is a wrong time for Minaar posted. But what a legend!
  • 3 3
 Can we please get Tracey back for the women's race and interviews? Other aspects are improving, but this is getting worse.
  • 3 1
 The GOAT is back!
  • 1 0
 Part time home track. Great to see him on the podium but I’m saying with the competition this is his best finish. At his age and his injuries he is a super human to throw himself down the track at that speed.
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: put $25 on it? Venmo?
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 @Whataboutism: Even if he's a top 10 finisher till the day he retires from racing, still gives him (regardless of age) the prowess to finish 1st and for what ever reason which can be many, prevent that win from occurring. Every rider encounters a thousand obstacles and hurdles preventing this achievement, young or old. We're talking fractions of seconds which is butthole clutched up times and for him to return to the elite level as he did after braking his back and securing 2nd, proves to me his resilience, fortitude and desire to win!

1st. Thibaut Daprela: 2:46.455
2nd. Greg Minnaar: 2:46.576
3rd. Finn Iles: 2:48.771

Two seconds ahead of Finn is pretty dam BOSS insane if you ask me. I didn't watch the race and understand the weather situation but still.
  • 1 0
 Yikes, what happened to Dak?
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 He went out just as the rain started hammering down, didn't stand a chance
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 Dumb idea or not?..... Top 5 or 10 qualifiers have the option to pick where they want to run in the finals. I can't think why this would be a bad idea especially on race days with shitty weather, which seem to be more and more. But maybe I am missing something.
  • 3 1
 Sorry, dumb idea. You're missing everything.
"Posted this above qualifying riders go last to create a level playing field for the rest of the field. Slower riders get a slightly better track to try and even up the field and create tighter times. As well it helps build up excitement as each rider generally gets faster as the race goes on. Imagine 1st place qualifier going first and so on. Everyone would switch off 10 riders in. All common sense really."
  • 1 0
 @MikeGruhler: I get all that I guess. Figured that was going to be the response I would get. I don't think all 10 would decide to go first but who knows, just a thought. But at the same time its a bummer to sit there and watch for 2 hours to watch some of your favorite riders not able to put down the run you know they are capable of. I get it tho, that's just the ups and downs of downhill, not much you can do about weather.
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 @Erikbel79: It does suck having weather effect the outcome, but it has also created the most legendary moments in the sports history. I guarantee all top ten riders would go first if given the option, you'd be stupid not to do it. Look at slalom, fastest and slowest qualifier go against each other first rd. At the end you generally end up with the fastest qualifiers in the final rd. Sucks to be the slow one but somebody has to do it.
  • 3 1
 UCI sucks ass.
  • 1 1
 Thanks for making this possible to enjoy so far away from Andorra. Made my day!
  • 1 0
 Cheers man!
  • 1 0
  • 1 1
 Can we get the results in readable quality
  • 3 4
 Is the livestream only showing 40 seconds of the track for anyone else?
  • 1 1
 Maybe they’re trying to keep things tight with the weather..
  • 5 0
 Here we go. Starting to show more now
  • 24 1
 Have you ever watched a DH race? It has always been like that for the first 30 riders. They show more for the riders that start later and the full runs for the top 10.

The mens race would last 4 hours if they showed the full run of every rider...
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 @Nuss-95: I wouldn't bother trying to explain. People complain about this for every race when it's been like this for years (yes, even when the much coveted RedBull did the coverage!). People want every centimetre of the track covered for all riders even though it'd take like 6 hours to get through or something stupid.
  • 2 0
 @Nuss-95: That makes a lot of sense in terms of the coverage time - I need to just focus on the racing instead of heading straight to the comment’s section..
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 @JonnyTheWeasel: or they could do something inventive like split-screen or PIP. It’s not hard.
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 @JonnyTheWeasel: I agree, the video coverage is much the same as when Redbull covered the racing and to be honest I think its way better than the video coverage of the Crankworx downhill races. I tried watching some of the Crankworx DH races and turned it off more so due to the commentary. I find Tracey is very monotone and says the same thing for every rider.
The semi finals are a waste of time and put the riders at additional risk just for our entertainment and no real benefit when they're only getting World Cup points not UCI points.
The commentators & interviewers need a little improving but that is fixable, I just switch off to it as I am watching for the riding not the commentary.
For people complaining about the drone footage for this race just remember why the road gap was closed off, it was bloody windy........ I dont mind the perspective the drone footage gives, its a nice change. Im fairly confident that this is new to the drone operator so in time Im sure they will adapt to whats needed for mountain biking.
It all comes down to personal opinion with this and everything else in life. Free was good to watch the World Cups but the subscription isnt that much so I pay and still get to watch the racing which I enjoy. Times change and people need to change with it.
Hopefully the riders get together and voice their opinions of the format at the end of the season and even more hopefully the UCI take note.......
  • 2 1
 @MTBcrash: anyone with eyes could see the drone footage was awful, so why stick with it for so long?
  • 3 1
 @kingtut87: I've got eyes, I know its not perfect, but why not try new things to give people another perspective. If everyone opted to not try new things we'd still be living in caves and you wouldnt have the internet to complain about things let alone things called bikes... Im sure it will improve in time. Not giving it a chance to improve on it is somewhat unreasonable. Redbull took a little while to get things right and sometimes their coverage was a bit average with not many cameras etc.
IWe weren't brilliant at walking when we were a toddlers but we kept trying to improve.......
They have training wheels for kids bikes because they arent good at riding straight away......
Things take time, a little patience goes a long way.

Instead of focusing on the quick easy negatives, maybe people should look at the drone from the perspective of 'at least they are trying something new to give the viewers a different view'
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 @MTBcrash: a different, but worse view. I've no issue with them trying new stuff, but if the weather means they can't keep the rider or the track in the shot then maybe don't keep showing it? It's shoddy directing and we absolutely should demand more from a product that we're now paying for.
  • 1 4
 Lots of big names didn't race.
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