Flat Pedals Win Medals & 3 More Things We Learned from the Maydena Enduro World Cup 2023

Mar 27, 2023 at 8:58
by Ed Spratt  
Emmy Lan took the top step in U21 women

The Enduro World Cup kicked off the 2023 season with some incredible racing at Maydena Bike Park. Despite some live timing issues we were treated to and exciting race as the Australian riders proved dominant, flat pedals won medals, and some of the best World Cup downhill riders provided a real threat to the usual enduro pros. Here are a few of the things we spotted from the Enduro World Cup season opener.

Flat Pedals do Win Medals

The king of flat pedals Sam Hill may not have been racing last weekend, but we saw flat pedals return to the podium of the Elite Men's racing as Dan Booker took 2nd and Connor Fearon 3rd. Morgane Charre proved once again flat pedals can be fast as she matched her 2022 EWS overall result with a 2nd place just behind Isabeau Courdurier. Flat pedals also manage to rack up a couple of stage wins alongside the race medals, as Dan Booker took a first stage victory, while Morgane Charre managed to come out victorious on the incredibly long stage six.
Maydena local and bike park trail builder Dan Booker took 2nd just 5 seconds off the win

Australian Riders Dominate the Men's Podiums

It's not unusual to see local or even riders from the same country as a race having a great result, but Maydena really shone a light on the incredible talent coming from Australia as it produced five of the top six Elite Men and all three podium positions in the U21 Men's racing. In the Elite Men's racing it was an incredible result to see Luke Meier-Smith take home the top position at his first Elite level enduro race. Luke is an amazing talent on the bike securing a top 20 in the 2022 World Cup DH overall with a 6th-place finish at Vallnord.

While it is no surprise to see him doing well after winning the 2022 U21 EWS title, he is the first U21 rider to move up to Elites and win their first race. For those saying that knowledge of the tracks was an advantage, keep in mind there were quite a few riders who have been riding and racing in the area over the past few weeks including Yeti Factory team riders Richie Rude, Slawomir Lukasik and Bex Baraona. The 2023 series stays in Australia for round two this weekend so it will be a test for the rest of the field to see if they have an answer to the current crop of Australian talent on home turf.
On a charge all day Luke Meier-Smith took his first elite win here in Maydena

DH Riders on Top

Not many riders can switch disciplines and be a threat for the win but the racing in Maydena saw Troy Brosnan and Vali Höll in the running for top results at what is their second international enduro event. Alongside Troy and Vali the top of race results featured more DH racers with Connor Fearon, Dan Booker and even the Meier-Smith brothers taking on both disciplines successfully.

Dan Booker, Connor Fearon and the Meier-Smith brothers have been swapping between downhill and enduro for a while but it is a big surprise to see Troy and Vali taking to enduro so easily to score some great results. Vali Höll may have ended the day in 10th place, but before a small crash on stage five she was very much in the running for the overall win in a tight race against Isabeau Courdurier. Vali even managed to take two stage wins, which is no small feat as the top Elite Women's field is incredibly competitive.
Vali Holl with the best finish line whip on the day

Aditional Stage Points Can Switch Up the Overall Standings

With the switch to World Cup status, a few new rules have been introduced for 2023, one of which is extra points being awarded for top stage results (stage points table can be viewed here). The aim of this is said to create tighter and more exciting racing and hopefully closer overall title fights. During the 2023 season a stage win will award Elite Men and Women with an additional 20 points in the overall with 17 given to 2nd and 15 to 3rd. The new stage points will extend to 10th position where an extra 5 points are handed out. For U21 racers it is 10 points for first with the scale lowering to 3 points for a fifth place stage position.

When it came to what effect this has on the overall standings it appears that for the most part not many riders actually changed positions, but for a few it really changed the results. Vali Höll and Jesse Melamed saw the biggest changes in their outcomes as Vali rose from 10th position to 7th, Jesse moved from 19th to 11th place. Interestingyling we noticed that the stage points can not only improve a rider's fortunes but also give them a worse result in the overall. An example of this is Martin Maes who finished the day in 14 but once the adjustments are made to include stage points he drops to 16th in the overall.
Sketchy moments and crashed saw Jesse Melamed end the day in 19th

We saw something similar in the EWS with Queen and Pro stages giving additional points, the change to having this on every stage could make things quite interesting and as seen with Jesse's result help to bump up riders that may have done well on a few stages but finished lower at the end of the race.

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  • 66 0
 Funky Cold Maydena
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 Tazm Loc
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 @DJ21111111: this is amazing news! I have loads of flat medals and need some new pedals, where do I enter?
  • 1 0
 Why you so fly?
  • 38 3
 The Chromag Dagga has been the best pedal I've run. It's heavy and doesn't offer the best ground clearance vs. a lighter pedal, but the grip is unreal and I can still get a foot out when I'm riding like complete garbage. Most importantly, they look good.
  • 11 1
 I second this message. Best flat pedal on the market.
  • 2 4
 I ride Scarabs for pretty long time and I am fine with them as well. On the lower price its One up with those composite ones which suits me
  • 3 1
 How they compare to vaults? I love the vault feel and grip (concave with massive pins) but sick of constant bushing swaps.
  • 4 0
 @dirtyburger: They are not nearly as concave as Vaults. In fact, they're nearly flat in the middle. That said, they're not convex, you cannot feel the spindle area above the outside of the pedal.

Compared to my wife's Vaults, I have more miles on the Dagga with not one rebuild. I rebuilt her Vault's once with half the miles.
  • 9 1
 @dirtyburger: I feel tmacs are just bigger and better versions of vaults. (I ride them both)
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flag wburnes (Mar 27, 2023 at 12:40) (Below Threshold)
 Pedaling Innovations Catalyst pedals are objectively the best. I have them on every bike, except for my DH bike. I've been trying out the Hustle Labs Remtech Avery magnetic pedal on my DH bike, and am liking them so far.
  • 4 0
 Agreed. Dagga on all the bikes...just works. Though the Tenent pedals looks good too.
  • 3 0
 @adrennan: I absolutely love mine. All time favorite pedal
  • 5 1
 10000% Dagga's are the King of flats \m/
  • 4 0
 ...100% Agree - Chromag Dagga's are the greatest Pedal of all time, especially in Chrome - why would you ride anything else?
  • 7 2
 @kyleluvsdh: raceface atlas pedals are pretty amazing as well
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 @skinuts: except the bearings that last 3 months
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 @wburnes: had and got rid of concave pedals like t-macs, burgtecs and vaults. Catalysts are the only pedal that makes sense.
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 @dirtyburger: More grip than the vaults for sure, like the other commenter said they aren't quite as concave but the grip is the best of any pedal i've used out of the oneups, raceface atlas, tmacs, vaults, and chesters. Haven't had to do a rebuild on them yet.
  • 5 0
 Big up for the Daggas.
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flag CassetteCrusher (Mar 27, 2023 at 14:50) (Below Threshold)
 Best (ultimate) flat pedal is
“SYNTACE Titan number 9”
When you know, you know
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 @CassetteCrusher: Those have literally the worst pins Razz . Try Aussieman Chris Kovarik's Dagga.. They're far superior to the Titan 9. Sorry not sorry. Love ya though
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 @kyleluvsdh: titans have options for pins in steel and alloy and different lengths, also titanium axles, full bearings and made in Germany so the build quality is unmatched
But yeah looking at those dagga’s seems like their mission was to stick your shoe to the pedal permanently, but my shins ache just looking at them
So many good pedal options these days for sure
  • 5 1
 Often people forget that the NukeProof Horizon pedals have spacers on the pins & if you remove them, they are extra long like the Daggas.

They've been that way for a long time too. But it's one of those things in the features that goes unnoticed b/c they aren't photographed with the mega pins.

For DH and Enduro Racing (riding maybe not so much) all the World Cup pros on flats run longer pins than people realize. My foot isn't big enough to justify the Dagga's wide platform. But would love to try them and Horizon's back to back tall pins and all on my DH bike.
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 @CassetteCrusher: Shin pads are a must. They're the closest you'll get to being clipped in on a flat pedal, when you're in you're in. Still love ya
  • 5 1
 The new RaceFace Atlas has been blowing my mind for the past year. This is coming from a previous TMac, Vault, and Dagga user.
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 They’re also bomb proof. Every time I think “surely they need servicing,“ I pull the spindle out and see a perfectly healthy layer of still translucent green factory grease on them. I do nothing, reassemble, and keep riding.
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 @blowmyfuse: Older nukeproof pedals, the solid af ones from when Sam was riding DH on them. They grip like all hell and had really long pins in them. I run the new ones now and they're great too but not quite as nice as the old ones. I don't like these pedals like daggas that have the corners cut in, less surface area for control, atleast thats how it feels to to me.
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 @wburnes: Too narrow for me
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 @kyleluvsdh: 10000%? Why not 100000000%? This is F from maths young man, go and learn using percentages properly!
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 I have Dagga’s but Deity Composite for the win
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 @bikes-arent-real: true. My Horizons don't have the nip/tuck corners of the latest "Enduro" version mimicking JC's grind down mod.

I just assumed they kept the standard Horizon and the Enduro w/ cut corners was an addition.

Had mine for over 3 years & haven't touched the axles. They don't wobble, so I'm not looking in there. Beer
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 @gooral: you might like the XL model
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 @wburnes: looked at them, but too still too narrow. I have a wide stance, t-macs work best for me. Pedals are really personal thing, aren't they?
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 @dirtyburger: scarabs have a similar feel to vaults. I’ve had a pair I’ve ridden for 3 seasons, haven’t touched the bushings and they feel just as good as the new ones I just bought for my other bike.
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 @skinuts: the bushings don’t hold up as well though
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 @cakelly4: Chromag pedals are the best when it comes to longevity
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 In process of swamping all bikes to Daggas..... Anyone wanna buy 3 sets of stamp 7s hahaha
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 @dirtyburger: be got 2 sets of vaults, one set is (roughly) 6 years old, the other is 2 years old.

6 year old set have had 1 full rebuild, they both benefit from the occasional clean and re-greasing that takes 10 minutes or so.
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 Any of those guys and girls would beat me without any pedals on their bikes.
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 We learned that ESO still can not figure out their live-timing
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 We also figured out Maydena is a cracker of a park!!
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flag deco1 FL (Mar 27, 2023 at 14:21) (Below Threshold)
 Maydena's crap. Clapped out tracks due to little maintenance and honestly just pretty poor building to begin with.
  • 9 1
 @deco1: Ha! not sure if this is a joke or not. Maydena is world class.
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 @deco1: Its the style they have gone for - steep, technical and raw trails. Lots of good flow or XC in other parts of Australia if that's what you're into. Fair to say Maydena isn't for everyone or every skill level.
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flag FoesKnows (Mar 27, 2023 at 15:38) (Below Threshold)
 @tgiblin50: And the Forestry action on forest land surrounding will enable live coverage as the bloody trees wont obscure the camera positions. Getting special arrangements and access to land and then whining about how surrounding land is used always is a winner.
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 @FoesKnows: Better live coverage is a positive at least! Youre right though Maydena was built within working forests so have to expect surrounding areas will be logged at some stage. Derby has had similar problems also. Forestry is an important industry in Tasmania but I wish there was a less emotional conversation around what what value can be derived from logging vs tourism/preservation. Or are there alternatives such as selective logging?
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flag FoesKnows (Mar 27, 2023 at 21:09) (Below Threshold)
 @tgiblin50: 60% of European "Renewable" energy comes from US/Can plantations and native forest. Can't beat the Euro's, they are destroying our original industries and telling us what gets financing so can't beat them, join them.

Or we can stop forestry and have house structures and inputs rise significantly. Everyone loves expensive housing, put it up again on the false argument Forestry runs at a loss. Its a cottage industry argument.
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 @FoesKnows: Completely lost you with the point you are trying to make here mate
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 @tgiblin50: The power of the DH riders has melted my brain. Apologies.
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 @tgiblin50: that's what I'm looking for. Tired of machine build trails ..
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 Maydena is a cracka park! It's amazing what the team at Maydena has been able to put together over the last 7 years alone, will be amazing to see where it goes in another 7 years time!!

Also on the topic of Tasmanian forestry for anyone who may be interested; the state-run Tasmanian forestry industry is indeed a money-losing entity. Its operations have been subsidised into the billions of dollars over the past couple decades, essentially making it a work-for-the-dol style scheme where Australian tax-payers are the main thing keeping the operations going and forestry workers employed. This is all the while happening whilst destroying Tasmanian old growth rainforests with clear fell logging practices to primarily produce low-quality timber products such as sawdust, woodchips and pulp.

This is in contrast to another industry that brought 4 billion dollars into Tasmania last year alone (Tourism). Tourism is an industry that also employs regional workers in Tasmania but organically makes a profit. Companies like Maydena Bike Park are an example of sustainable business innovation in a state full of outdated industries that destroy Tasmania's natural assets for short-term gains.

In the case where you have a profit-making tourism business competing for land with a money-losing destructive industry, who can better use the land seems to be black-and-white.

Yes, we need high-quality timber products, yes we need regional jobs, and yes we need to preserve our natural environments for future generations to benefit from and enjoy. However, the current scale and operation style of the Tasmanian forestry industry is not the best way to achieve these needs. Forestry shouldn't be banned outright, there are sustainable ways of utilizing forests for the benefit of society. State-run Tasmanian forestry is nowhere near achieving sustainable practice in its current form.

This is not meant to be a stab at people working in forestry or to promote tourism as a universal solution to replace unsustainable industries. I'm simply trying to illustrate that we need to think of and exercise better ways of managing natural assets like the remaining ancient forests of Tasmania.

Please just keep in mind these things if (and when) you visit Tasmania and places like it so you can truly appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes to preserve wild places and provide access to them.

Now go ride your bike and enjoy your own natural backyard! Yiew!!
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 @CharlieEdis: Fantastic words thanks Charlie. Mature perspectives such as this have been very lacking when it comes to the conversation around forestry in Tasmania. (or anything else affects Tasmanians cough cough cable car.....)
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Only 52.8 per cent of Tasmanian men and 46.9 per cent of Tasmanian women read at a functional level.

Tasmania's Gross State Product is the lowest per capita, per capita as % of ratio to National, second lowest share of National economy and second lowest growth rate.

Tourism was subsided by Federal debt growth (a cool $1 Trillion) and taxes from other jurisdictions being redistributed to Tasmania, not at the point of consumption through the following mechanisms:
- Tourism Industry Grants, Department of State Growth
- General Grants, Department of State Growth
- Events Grants & Funding, Events Tasmania
- Heritage Grants, Heritage Tasmania
- Business Support, Business Tasmania
- Arts Grants, Arts Tasmania

The GST redistribution for Tasmania, the second largest in the Nation is estimated to be $3,409 million ($3.4 Billion) in GST in 2023-24. This would be an increase of $5 million compared to 2022-23. The change reflects Tasmania’s assessed needs for GST and its share of the growth in the GST pool.

Derby was largely funded through Federal Grants and in 2021 the Federal Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment, Dan Tehan, confirmed further funds as part of $5.14 million to fund new tourist attractions in Tasmania, including mountain bike trails, rock climbing and farm experiences, to attract more visitors to the island and support local jobs and business opportunities.

Eight tourism projects account for $2.34 million and another $2.8 million is to encourage agricultural businesses to develop unique tourism experiences, such as interactive farm tours, on-farm accommodations and meals, paddock to plate experiences and cooking schools.

So with the GST redistribution from other States to Tasmania and the other Federal Grants, the net impact of Tourism to Tasmania is neutral in the Australian Balance Sheet, using your provided $4Bn contribution.

Forestry in all States largely runs at a loss or just break even. These are State Trading Enterprises, they support Government Priorities initiatives and are run by Governments to deliver jobs and regional outcomes. The primary outcome is access to timber. Timber for modern living, classified as renewable and sustainable in European and American environmental and global energy policy of the IEA, but for Australia its most important contribution is access to cheap lumber for housing framework.

Housing framework and access to timber is critical to the building and construction industry, and so like much of Tasmania, it is subsidies at the State level balance sheet to create jobs in regions and deliver lower priced housing. Lower priced housing benefits the community, next generations and present economic and social fairness.

Community fairness is why it appears as incorrectly stated as a "loss making enterprise" by those opposed to forestry, on land dedicated to forestry. Why else a State with a significant debt, educational and health constraints and challenges would it be run as a loss? Thats fiducial and Government funding misappropriation if true. Because perhaps like the statement around the net benefit of Tourism you quoted, there are other grants, subsidies and considerations in play to consider the totality of the outcome and impact and form an enlightened view of forestry, across the entire supply chain.

The other alternative is of course that housing frameworks could be instead constructed with galvanized metal. Unfortunately, regulation and restriction in the State of Tasmania have made this all bar impossible. Where before the State has a broad and deep tradition of mining, community benefit and flow through processing to deliver community outcomes, these have largely reached their economic lives or for new deposits been deemed socially unacceptable. So, the State will rely on the gratuity of others to talk about their tourism benefits and preservations of natural environments to ride bikes in.

I 'spose the only questions for the other States would be, what could they do with their GST if it was maintained where imposed and deployed in terms of benefit to their natural environments benefit, and what domestic grants and outcome could be deliver to their cycling facilities, considering they have mining, tourism, forestry and are net creditors into this redistribution cycle that when consider all grants and redistribution has significant off balance sheet inputs not recognized as liabilities at the State level?

I think what has been done there is great, and applaud and enjoyed riding and competing in 2017. But if going to consider Forestry and true sustainability for all of community, all the facts need to be considered.

You cant cherry pick Government Services and funding. Its a whole of package.

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 i think the area where stage points will work to benefit riders is when crashes are involved.

Vali: 1 crash drops you from 1/2 to 10 as we saw...but individual stages bring you back up

sort of a way to punish crashes less for top riders
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 Exactly. Let's say, the race has 5 stages, and you win 4 of them by 1 second, but have a crash in the other stage that costs you 1 minute. While your day was ruined with the old system, you'll still get loads of points for the overall with the new system.
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 So flat pedals win medals, just not gold ones. Got it. Wink
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 I know the last race of last season was ages ago but Rudeau and Charre won Loudenvielle on flats.
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 Damn, seems like flat pedal riders are like vegans out here: won't shut up about it, and can't take a joke (rooted in reality). Ride what you like; literally nobody gives a shit.
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 I give a shit -Any way flat pedals just look better -Can ride to the shops in ya flip flops -And nothing looks cooler than a racer sliding a corner with his foot out cause he can
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 @lwkwafi: you're literally the one who commented about it though? I guess clipped in riders are like non-vegans. Bring up the subject and them hope someone has the opposite opinion so you can moan on the internet from your mom's basement.
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 It turns out flat pedals are the first loser

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 @CassetteCrusher: Slicing their shin when they get bucked? Also, I can ride whatever I want on my spds to the shop. Life ain't that hard.
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 @ruckuswithani: Another person who can't take a joke. I am responding the headline that seemingly omits the fastest races on the day, and making a joke. Jeezus. y'all need to chill. I ride both but primarily race clipped in unless hella muddy.
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 Redbull Rampage hello? Sam hill?
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 @lwkwafi: I’d rather get whacked in the shin than go down stuck in clips, that shit breaks bones, just don’t wanna get whacked by those dagga’s LOL
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 @CassetteCrusher: You figure out how to not whack your shins that much after a few years of it. Only time in the last 5 years I've hit my shins were because I was too lazy to tune my gear so my chain wouldn't slip and I was jibbing while blazed out of my mind.
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 @CassetteCrusher: any racer on clips can out a foot out in corners, too.
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 @CassetteCrusher: i can do all of those in clipless. it’s called clips with pins in them
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 @boozed: "idler pullys drop chains"

*Hides behind ducking boozed*
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 Flats for life. If you ride clipless it's like a gateway component... pretty soon shaved legs, spandex and matching outfits and riding in packs are the norm.... Cant have that
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 Bro... I mean, I have been doing more xc lately but I still have baggy shorts and a visor... It won't happen to me! It can't!
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 Don't forget getting hit by a car
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 It's not any worse than the outfits the endurobros wear these days. All of them running around dressing like a limp bizkit roadie from 2003.
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 1. Enduro is where Downhillers come to eat breakfast. Some enduro racers surely be looking for new careers.

"Dan Booker, Connor Fearon and the Meier-Smith brothers have been swapping between downhill and enduro for a while but it is a big surprise to see Troy and Vali taking to enduro so easily to score some great results."

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 A numder of the top DH guys have done Enduro races and struggled to get inside the top 30.
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 @panaphonic: Not anymore. As every year progresses need to be more and more a fully disciple rounded athlete to be elite.
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 @panaphonic: I reckon some washed up old Downhiller could do EWS and win 3 seasons in a row.
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 @bikes-arent-real: Possibly. Does this make or detract the point though?
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 @panaphonic: most of them rode in finale just for fun without taking it seriously and even riding blind.
Anyway Voullioz, Tracy, Barel, Hill and Moir won as soon as they rode enduro seriously, almost the same with Rude if you consider he comes from DH. A guy I know had very good results in EWS and struggled to be inside the top 15 on DH french cups.
For the girls I am absolutely sure Aterthon or Nicole would win, they just ride a bike way faster than Isabeau (nothing against her).
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 @panaphonic: like Sam Hill?
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 @Frank191: wooosh
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 Hot take: Dan Booker and Luke Meier-Smith grew up in an era and area in which they were most definitely riding trail/enduro bikes most of the time. It's a combination of their DH competitive drive, that ability to push 110% on a track, and a lifetime of riding trail bikes that helped them to the top of the podium.

Although Troy Brosnan probably has more DH bike time at this point in his life, it's not really surprising he makes a great enduro racer. Looking at his Roots and Rain profile, Brosnan might be the most consistent rider of the last 2 decades, a quality that is essential in enduro.
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 Apart from the usual outlets, including this parish, the new improved EWS hasn't made much of a splash with the rest of the cycle racing media, has it?
That is surely the aim of all these changes; to reach out to those outside the MTB 'bubble'.
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 We have also learnt:
1 - Definitely the new points system creates confusion. Is this a good thing or not? I have strongly mixed feelings and more negative ones.
2 - It is not as easy as before to find detailed information regarding competitions. Read one page with all the information and links to pdfs or scoring after.
3 - the level of coverage so far is holding up
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 This could also point out just how much easier it is for European racers to perform when they don't have to go trekking to the other side of the planet.
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 I may be out of touch, but I have never understood the need to point it out when a flat-pedal rider wins, while every time a clipped in rider wins, it's not.
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 I suspect it's because "clipless" doesn't rhyme with "medal" or anything else particularly aspirational. I mean who wants to "drip less" or be "lipless"? God knows I don't want to "rip less".
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 Current MTB fad-of-the-day favorites:

-Flat pedals - Even though 90% of pro DH and Enduro racers see the obvious advantages of clipless.
-Glove free - Because, you know, who sweats when riding?
-Riding in jeans - see glove free.
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flag wburnes (Mar 27, 2023 at 19:54) (Below Threshold)
 1. The advantages of clipless are neither obvious, nor real. They are physically bad for your body, and are not more efficient than flats. They also represent a barrier of entry to new riders, make crashes much worse, and encourage poor technique. The only people.who have a reason to run clipless are roadies that are obsessive about weight/aero, but I don't believe that clipless is inherently superior aerodynamically or weight wise, and pedal weight needs to include shoes as well, which are usually left out of the equation.

They should be banned from competition and manufacturers should cease production.

2. Even on a 100 degree day I don't sweat enough to need gloves, if anything, riding without gloves eliminates sweat via airflow. You may must lack strength to hold onto the bar properly, you should do some basic strength training to fix this.

The only good reason to wear gloves is sun protection, but sun exposure being bad for you has recently been called into question, so even that might not be true.


3. Jeans these days often have "stretch denim", so it really makes no difference in maneuverability. Doesn't increase sweating either
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 @wburnes: How do you deal with not messing up your hands with crashes without gloves? I'd love to avoid the summer gloves tan but road rash on my hands is not fun.
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 @wburnes: what are you on about? Clipless pedals are absolutely advantageous for pedalling (no flats in XC), gloves are for crash protection, and jeans are a shortcut to heat stroke where I live. Good luck getting the bike industry to ban clipless based on your self-assured opinions and beliefs!
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 @wburnes: I have never read this long of a post with literally every sentence being incorrect.
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 @roxtar: Really? You have evidence that clipless is more efficient than flats?
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flag wburnes (Mar 28, 2023 at 7:44) (Below Threshold)
 @caltife: No one has ever been able to prove that clipless is advantageous for pedaling, in fact only the opposite has been proven. Gloves offer very little crash protection.
  • 7 1
 @wburnes: This has to be the dumbest comment I have ever seen on pinkbike.
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 @wburnes: 30 years of clipless riding mixed with a year on platforms. The difference wasn't even close. Peddling, bike handling, jumping, etc. All way better with a solid connection to the bike. The only thing better with platforms is falling.

Arguing about peddling efficiency is really just stupid. Road riders are all about peddling efficiency. Ever see a roadie on platforms?

Arguing that wet sweaty hands are somehow OK for riding is more stupid.

And did you really say that riding in jeans doesn't increase sweating?!
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 @wburnes: This was made by a non-cyclist. His premise is based on pulling up on the pedals. That's not where the efficiency is.
The efficiency comes from spinning fast circles vs pounding the pedals. Cadence and smoothness are vastly improved with clipless pedals.

However, efficiency isn't where the primary advantage is. The main advantage of clipless with mountain biking is the connection to the bike. Things like steering with the hips, jumping without the need to have that toe-up/heel-down thing, smooth cadence while climbing, having the perfect foot placement every time automatically. You mentioned physical issues. Clipless actually allows your knees to be more protected because clipless pedals have float. No float when you're standing on metal pins.
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 @wburnes: THe only thing correct in your entire post had to do with entry level riders.
Yes, platform pedals are a must for them. Beginners belong on them.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against platforms. Ride what you want to ride. Just don't say they are in any way superior to clipless. It'd simply not true.

There's a reason everyone applauds those who do well on platforms. They're working with a distinct disadvantage.
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 @roxtar: A non cyclist? He's literally a pro cyclist who does gravel and MTB. Everything in your comment is wrong lol
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 @wburnes: I stand corrected. I meant the people doing the testing, not the video maker. He is a cycling coach.
However, my point stands. The entire video was about the extra gains from the upstroke, which I agree is minimal.
As I said before, the primary gain in efficiency is from the ability to spin circles with a faster cadence rather than just pounding the pedal up and down. Spinning faster as opposed to pedaling harder. To understand what I'm talking about, get on a trainer and compare platforms and clipless. It'll be very obvious pretty quickly.

By the way, did you bother to watch it to the end? You know, where he talked about the problems with the testing criteria, and where he still recommends clipless due to all the reasons they work better, ie., climbing, cadence, knee issues, etc.

Anyway, I'm sure none of this matters to you. It's painfully obvious that you've never tried clipless and, as such, really is simply babbling bull$hit. You're the kind of person who shouts his completely uninformed opinion regardless of the facts.
As a great man once said, "You can't fix stupid."
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 @roxtar: I have tried clipless (carankbrothers mallet, eggbeater, also shimano)
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flag wburnes (Mar 28, 2023 at 16:14) (Below Threshold)
 @roxtar: If you think that clipless is more effecient, you are simply wrong. Stop trying to defend a position which you should know isnt true.

You're the one who has been spouting uniformed opinions regardless of of the facts.

Intelligence isnt relevant here, but thats not an advantage you have over me anyway. Besides, even the unintelligent can understand that clipping a pedal to a shoe doesn't make your leg stronger, and doesnt increase the amount of energy transferred.
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 @roxtar: Also higher cadence isn't better, and if you need clipless to stay on the pedals wuth a high cadence, you need better pedals, better shoes, or better skills.

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 @wburnes: Dude, you've convinced me. I've seen the light!!!

Clipless is the devil and you're a genius.

I, along with those 99.99% of professional bike racers, are all just idiots who blindly follow results. We will all probably die in fiery crashes due to our life endangering, slow riding, bad technique creating, inefficient pedals.
Our only hope is that you are successful in getting them banned from racing and eliminated from production before we destroy ourselves.

Godspeed, young man. Godspeed.
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 @matyk: in fact its two of them.
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 I think the new points system is good thing- whilst I don't see how it could punish anybody for consistency, it will also give people who aren't necessarily in the fight for the podium a reason to still give it everything on every stage to go for the stage win; and more reward for some of the up and coming riders to shine if they do take a few more experienced scalps on certain stages.
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 Thank you, sky daddy. Now I know I’m on the fast track to Enduro podiums thanks to my pedal choice.
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 2. Its great to finally have a Global Series again, where truly the best rider will claim the overall at the end. Its clear not pedal selection, riding discipline or local status is as important as country of origin, culture and familiarity interspersed with distance, support and distance from origin. And finally we have a series worthy of being considered global and approaching balance. Of course, with the Oceania legs early up in the series and Australian riders seemingly on a roll, if for chance Australians continue that domination and continue success in EU and US.............no pressure, Rest of World. Oh, hang on, it was only practice for their real discipline.
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 UCI kept banging on about all the loam, in reality the racers told you dusty with a little bit of loam
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 "Despite some live timing issues....."

Second line. Truth, comment of the Day.
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 Flat pedals win medals …as long as they’re used by good riders who have down a load of riding at the race venue previously
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 Yes! Flat pedals rule! Long live flat pedals!!!
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 PANIC BUY FLAT PEDALS! In all reality I think clipless pedals are the winners of todays day and age. I see some absolute shredders on flats though too. ‍♂️
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 No PB Fantasy this season?
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 Seems they even removed the Fantasy heading from the top bar. That's a bummer, always looking forward to that one...
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 They don't want to deal with giving the winners their prizes at the end of the year.. uhhhh
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 Meier smith will f*cking dominate if the courses are like Thredbo.
I’ve never seen anyone ride Thredbo that fast.
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 Tried watching the footage n damn it’s boring compared to DH, I also think the XC is more interesting to watch
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 1. EWS sold out to the UCI
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 B I N G O
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 I'm a big fan of the new points system
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 racing bikes down hills!
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 Aussies smashing it on home turf.... Be RUDE not to really!!
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 Flat medals do good pedals
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 Word of the day: Interestingyling
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 I like my shin burgers
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 Yoshimura Chilao flat pedals have most certainly Won me Medals!!
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 Sam Hill Nukeproof Horizon Pedal the real winner

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