Industry Digest: eBike Regulation, Stolen Bikes, Zwift Layoffs & More

May 27, 2022 at 7:03
by Ed Spratt  
What's going on in the cycling industry this month? Industry Digest is a peek behind the curtain and showcases articles from our sister site, Bicycle Retailer and Industry News. In each installment, you might find patents, mergers, financial reports and industry gossip.



E-bike regulation discussion an ‘eye-opener’ for industry
By: Steve Frothingham // Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

The closing session at this year’s Bicycle Leadership Conference was not the flashiest or the best attended. But it probably was the most sobering 60 minutes of the two-day conference. “It was a real eye-opener,” said Claudia Wasko, the general manager of Bosch’s North American e-bike business, after the session. Session moderator Larry Pizzi said he sensed the interest in the audience.

“I can tell you, from the stage I was looking out and I saw people standing up so they could take pictures of the slides,” he said after the session.

There wasn’t a lot of new information. Instead it was a fresh overview of federal e-bike regulations, some of which go back two decades. The review highlighted the steep penalties that could come from non-compliance — bankruptcy-inducing fines and other regulator actions that could set back the entire industry.

“That was a rather sobering discussion for probably 50% of the people in that room,” said an industry attorney who sat in on the session.

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Merida reports 133 bikes stolen from container at rest stop in England
By: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

Merida Bikes reported the theft of 133 bikes on Thursday from a container at a Southampton port that was on its way to its logistics facility here.

The container locks were cut before more than half of the 210 bikes were stolen. Merida said its logistics partner instructs all drivers to park only at secure facilities. The theft occurred at Fleet Services lorry park (rest stop) on the M3 motorway that's equipped with CCTV and ANPR cameras.
Merida Ninety-Six 2021

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Zwift announces staff layoffs and halt to trainer plans
By: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

Zwift has announced significant staff layoffs and a "pause" to its much-anticipated hardware development program.

California Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) records show that Zwift let go 63 workers at its facility in Long Beach, effective July 11. The company may also have let workers go in other states.

The company had been working on its own range of smart bike and direct-drive trainer offerings, but the development had experienced delays and proved more complex than first anticipated, as discussed in the From the Top podcast, with a launch previously expected sometime this year.

However, following similar layoffs at Wahoo and Peloton, Zwift has now decided to lay off staff and halt the development of its hardware range.
Zwift

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Specialized releases new Globe e-bike brand
By: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

Specialized on Tuesday announced a new line of e-bikes under the Globe brand, which Specialized has used in the past for city bikes.

The company said Globe will let independent bike shops compete with D2C-only e-bike brands. Globe will be a new business unit and "an extension of the Specialized brand that will focus on bringing more fun to local living while reducing the number of car, truck, and SUV trips needed for everyday transportation."

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TIME re-enters US market with frames and complete bikes
By: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

TIME Bicycles is officially re-entering the U.S. market under its new ownership and with a new IBD sales group. For the first time since the brand was acquired from Groupe Rossignol, it will have complete bikes, a new gravel model and a supply of frames in the U.S.

"There was a long list of things we didn't have until now," said Tony Karklins, the CEO of Cardinal Cycling Group, which bought the brand from Groupe Rossignol last year.

Time continues to manufacture frames in its factory in Slovakia; complete bikes for the U.S. are being assembled in a new Arkansas facility.

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Osprey's Layne Rigney leaving CEO post
By: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

Osprey Packs announced Thursday that CEO Layne Rigney will leave the company at the end of the day following nearly six years. Rigney recently guided Osprey through the Helen of Troy acquisition.

Going forward, the Osprey executive team will report to the Helen of Troy Home & Outdoor leadership team.

“We want to thank Layne for his partnership and dedication throughout the acquisition and integration,” said Larry Witt, Helen of Troy Home & Outdoor president. “Osprey thrived under Layne’s leadership, and he played a pivotal role in ushering the brand into this next stage of growth.”
Robb Thompson Photo

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Amid layoff reports, Wahoo announces acquisition of RGT Cycling
By: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

While several former employees of Wahoo Fitness have told BRAIN in recent days that they had been laid off, the company on Tuesday announced it had purchased RGT Cycling, a virtual cycling platform.

The former employees tell BRAIN that Wahoo has let go around 50 employees, across several departments and at its facilities in Georgia; Boulder, Colorado; Reno, Nevada; and Tasmania. One former employee said he'd been told Wahoo trimmed its workforce by 20%. A Wahoo spokesperson told BRAIN the impact of the changes is "very minimal."

"Last week strategic changes were made to support the growth and development of Wahoo," the spokesperson said. "We didn’t take these decisions lightly, but we made them to ensure Wahoo can maintain focus on new innovative products and services. The needs of athletes are evolving and our areas of emphasis need to do the same. We greatly value the contributions of our talented colleagues and are committed to supporting impacted team members in their transitions."

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Shimano asks SRAM-owned Hammerhead to remove Di2 functions from its head unit
By: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

Hammerhead, the GPS cycling computer startup acquired by SRAM in January, says Shimano asked it to remove at least some Di2 functions from its Karoo 2 head units.

Hammerhead announced the move in a post Thursday on the Support FAQ section of its website. It was first reported on DCRainmaker.com. Shimano and did not immediately respond to inquiries from BRAIN on Friday. A Hammerhead representative shared a company response below.

The Karoo 2 currently has functions that allow it to show the battery level of Shimano's Di2 system and to use the buttons on top of some Di2 road levers to switch screens on the head unit. Hammerhead said that with a software update next week, users will lose "a small subset" of Di2 functions. It indicated it is negotiating with Shimano to return the features.

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Park Tool issues a 'stop use and inspect' notice for some crank-puller tools
By: Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

Park Tool has issued a Stop Use and Inspect Notice for their CCP-22, CCP-44 and CWP-7 crank pullers due to an out-of-spec nut may cause damage to cranks during removal.

Some, but not all, tools sold between October 2021 and April 2022 may be affected by the out of spec threading on the nut.

The notice applies to Park Tool CCP-22, CCP-44 and CWP-7 Crank Pullers. Some, but not all, tools purchased between October 2021 and April 2022 may be affected.

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139 Comments

  • 118 0
 hmm i wonder if there have been any other bike media related layoffs recently
  • 19 4
 Cycling Tips, recently bought by Outside, did have some folks laid off, as it turns out.

Maybe pinkbike runs a tighter ship…
  • 29 1
 @hllclmbr: Jason Lucas doesn't work for Pinkbike anymore
  • 14 0
 Care to elaborate @notoutsideceo
  • 25 1
 The silence is deafening.
  • 11 0
 @Mtbiker32: When did that happen? He was a great presenter.
  • 7 3
 @Mtbiker32: why, did he badmouth Enve like Aston?
  • 30 0
 I have a question. How do you get those cactus’ out of the bike buckets?
  • 5 1
 Paraphrasing here…”Beta, Peleton, Oxygen, and Ski are all getting shut down over the next 6 months because they are making a shift from high volume print to greater focus on immersive video and storytelling”.
  • 8 0
 @SvenNorske: So just their print editions? The titles will continue but in a different format?

@joemoto: Pinkbike is one of their stronger properties. It’s not going anywhere. They are probably evaluating the need for two mountain bike titles. My guess is they will eventually fold Beta into Pinkbike and merge staffs where appropriate. If Beta no longer exists, there goes the pay model… look for the paywall stuff to start creeping into Pinkbike.
  • 1 0
 @scary1: I wondered the same thing when I saw that image a week or two ago, and figured that a couple of forks would do the job.
  • 4 1
 @hllclmbr: Doubtful. I don't mean that as a slight to PB staff, who put out great content, but Cycling Tips is arguably the best cycling publication around. I would read it more if I cared about road cycling. Beta on the other hand, was DFL of all cycling media.
  • 46 0
 To all the Beta apologists out there, just look how much better Freehub Mag or NSMB are at "long form" media. NSMB in particular has really deep articles and a comments section that is actually mature and constructive. To be honest, I don't actually comment on NSMB because I'm not mature enough. I just feel at home in the usual dumpster fire of Pinker comments.
  • 1 0
 @mookmeister: sure,sure. Smile
  • 8 3
 @fentoncrackshell: Yes, the comments on NSMB are very serious and well-informed. The articles tend to be a bit self-absorbed and overwritten though. Especially the opinion pieces.
  • 2 2
 @chakaping: Amen. I had never heard of this site, so I just went to see what they have to offer. First thing I read was a column/blog about new tires. It was pretentious, bordering on insufferable.
  • 2 0
 @kidtrailboss: huge bummer reading that stuff. bike, powder and surfer consumed a large part of my psyche when I was young(er), for better or worse.
  • 4 1
 I command that paywall posts BE GONE!
Be safe, be well
-Robin (not CEO of anything)
PS: sucks when people have their livelihood fkd with
  • 1 0
 @Mtbiker32: Why? What happened? I thought he was happy there.
  • 2 0
 Speaking of long form articles, when are we going to see that article about the end of DirtRag I keep hoping for? What, still nothing? Did DirtRag shit in your bed or something, PB?
  • 78 9
 Wait, the ebike people who have been breaking the law riding their ebikes we're sobered by learning that breaking the law riding their ebikes is actually breaking the law? lol
  • 23 8
 "Manufacturers who become aware that their bikes can be modified to exceed the limit could be held liable"
Funny because most manufacturers are not only aware, but making the bike purposely easily moddable and this is used as a sell point by many shops when they talk to customers. There are still countless instruction videos on YouTube by official shops on how to mod your e bike from this or that brand, even though many have been deleted

It won't take long until the e bike lobby becomes as strong in US as in EU, so these fines will never be applied
  • 15 4
 @zede: Most of the manufacturers we sell in the shop that I work are doing everything they can to stop mods.
Any customer that tries to talk about it get respectfully shut down. We actively refuse to work on modded bikes and if the customer becomes arsey about it I send the details of the bike to the supplier, so their warranty can be voided.
A lot of customers just wait till the warranty has expired and then go at it anyway.
  • 11 0
 @zede: Manufacturers have an interest in making Ebikes hard to mod. For the reasons explained in the article. Modded Ebikes massively increase the risk of dangerous accidents. Too many high profile accidents will turn public opinion and force regulators to crack down hard on Ebikes.
  • 16 13
 Riding a derestricted bike on private land isn’t against the law !
  • 12 0
 @Matt115lamb: only with permission of the landowner. Who has their own private land anyway.
  • 3 1
 @Jonesey23: I know , there is also races that have a derestricted ebike class !
  • 1 1
 @Ttimer: it also takes money away from companies
  • 16 0
 @zede: HA! I recently 'modded' my analog bike to go faster! I did it by spending secret time in my garage, late at night, on a contraption resembling my bike, but not quite. It has a curvy place to hold on to, narrower tires to not make much noise, the back wheel is suspended an inch off the floor in a metal frame that slows it down. The more I pedal, the faster it makes my mountain bike go the next time I ride it. Completely legal, don't tell, it's a secret...
  • 2 1
 Which is why I don’t understand the push in the USA. Did anyone at these companies do market research?
Modding a bike, who’s gonna know? Let er rip, I mean it’ll only make the thrown eggs more painful when I see you.
  • 1 1
 @Ttimer: You are taking "European". They are talking "USAish".
  • 1 2
 @Jonesey23:

You sound like a lot of fun
  • 45 3
 In a shocking, "eye opener" session, "People for Bikes" reveals its true identity by rebranding as "Megacorps for Motors" now that its Trojan-horse mission is complete, and its batteries have burned human-powered sport to the ground...
  • 19 2
 People for Bikes is trash and I’m ashamed to have ever supported it. Does anyone care about our sport or is it all just a circle jerk for the industry? I get that companies need to exist and make a few dollars, but why can’t we do what’s best for the sport and let the industry adapt instead of vis versa?
  • 5 2
 @speed10: Because capitalism only cares about one thing, and its disgusting!
  • 45 0
 Announces Zwift Layoffs but fails to announce their own layoffs...
  • 2 1
 It's a bizarre oversight, but perhaps @brianpark is concerned the news would be greeted with a distasteful level of schadenfreude by the PB commenters?
Fair dos to Outside for giving Beta a go, it didn't work but it was always going to be risky launching a print mag in the current media landscape. It's precarious enough for all the MTB websites which aren't PB.
  • 2 0
 @chakaping: They didnt really launch it did they? Was it not just Bike Magazine Rebranded and run into the ground?
  • 39 0
 Ha, all this and not so much of a mention of shutting down, oh, I don't know, your sister publication??? Weak sauce.
  • 1 0
 No, this will get pushed under the rug and we shall no longer speak of it...
  • 33 0
 There’s some very close to home (page) industry news conspicuous by it’s absence here…
  • 1 0
 What’ve I missed?
  • 8 0
 @sewer-rat: seen any beta on the front page recently?
  • 2 0
 Absolutely nothing!! @sewer-rat:
  • 19 0
 Outside sports killed of peloton magazine and beta mtb and fired a bunch of well respected people @Td5819:
  • 5 0
 @gcrider: yes I know, sorry was being sarcastic about the way there’s been a little less BETA content recently
  • 13 0
 Probably behind a paywall.
  • 2 1
 @StromloSlayer476: didn't they just kill the print version? Beta MTB site seems alive and well.
  • 2 0
 @warmerdamj: The last Yeti review post was right before it was shut down
  • 8 0
 That's shitty if Beta is already on the chopping block. Outside let Brian Park stick his neck out on both the podcast and the main page about us all giving Beta a chance, only to pull the rug out from under him like two months later.
  • 4 0
 @j-t-g: I hope they are refunding all the people that signed up for the deal they were throwing out there to existing TF users. Even though it was just $2 or something I bet they got a lot of takers.
  • 7 0
 @warmerdamj: we'll see. I'll admit, I'm one of those people, and honestly I made my decision almost entirely on Brian's appeal after growing to trust him over the years here. I want to be clear, I am not thinking this decision reflects negatively on him in any way, more on Outside. Sorry to see anyone at Beta lose the job, I hope their long form editorial style content can be rolled over here it possible.
  • 1 0
 @j-t-g: same here.
  • 31 0
 I cringe every time I read "letting workers go". Were they trapped inside the factory begging their employer to let them leave and never come back?
  • 9 0
 "Made redundant", "let go", "walking papers"... never got any walkin papers, never got a pink slip, either. You know what I would get? A guy would come around to my desk and go, "GET THE f*ck OUTTA HERE!!!"

-George Carlin, RIP
  • 46 15
 All this ebike regulation just further supports that ebikes are not bikes. They are motorized vehicles.
  • 4 24
flag chunkymcpot (May 28, 2022 at 12:12) (Below Threshold)
 So a Motorbike is not a bicycle? My Motorbike registration states that it's a bicycle...
  • 37 12
 @chunkymcpot: no a motorcycle is not a bicycle, let me help you out with some basic dictionary terms:

bi·cy·cle
noun
a vehicle composed of two wheels held in a frame one behind the other, propelled by pedals and steered with handlebars attached to the front wheel.

mo·tor·cy·cle
noun
a two-wheeled vehicle that is powered by a motor and has no pedals

id·i·ot
noun
a stupid person; pinkbike user chunkymcpot
  • 22 6
 E-bikes are mopeds
  • 2 0
 @chunkymcpot:
interestingly its not left to pinkbike to decide what is what
  • 2 5
 @warmerdamj: Gosh, your 'ard bruv, insulting people over the internet, guessing you don't do it infront of peoples faces?
I literally just stated what is on my motorbike registration document, nothing more. It states the class of vehicle as a bicycle.
  • 2 7
flag chunkymcpot (May 30, 2022 at 3:48) (Below Threshold)
 @ctd07: Technically not quite right, e-bike doesn't power itself unless you have a throttle fitted. In which case, get a proper engine. But my regular bike got a uplift at a trail centre, so what does that make my regular bike as it wasn't pedalled? A scooter?
  • 6 0
 Did any of you read the whole article or just read the first paragraph and just burp out your opinions based on already biased notions of e-Bikes. I'm actually really happy that there will be regulation on e-bikes since it will penalize companies that make e-motorbikes to circumvent the motorized vehicle regulations in the gray areas (which to me, there is actually a fine line of what a e-motorbike is versus an e-bicycle). In addition these regulations will improve on standardization of batteries. It's all for the safety of the people buying these expensive toys and it's pretty much a wild wild west when it comes to electrifying everything. It's funny how the article mentioning someone getting hurt. The first thing that came to mind was "Simon Cowell" and how he broke his back on a motorbike what the news media called an "e-Bike".
  • 2 6
flag chunkymcpot (May 30, 2022 at 11:57) (Below Threshold)
 @CSharp: Martyn ashton broke his back on a regular bike, should we start finding restrictions for normal bikes?
Also pretty sure the bike cowell was on was actually illegal in this country, but it's still an e-bike, you pedal to put the bike into motion and is not run of a throttle (that literally defines a e-moto, stop calling them e-motorbikes, e-motorbikes are purely road bikes, your not going to call a Gas Gas a motorbike now?)
Personally, i just like to have fun doing what i'm doing, but everytime something new comes out, people like you crop up and find issues with it to complain about.
Wierd thing is, those that seem to have issues with e-bikes don't tend to have an issue with uplifts.
I've also not stated any opinion, just fact.
  • 1 0
 @warmerdamj: Really, this is the definition that will matter in North America, as per the Bicycle Retailer article:

"A bike is a two-wheeled vehicle that is solely human-powered or has pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 horsepower), and which can be powered solely by the motor to less than 20 mph (for a 170-pound rider on flat ground)."

The "solely powered" bit there at the end is particularly interesting.
  • 1 0
 Ooops, double post.
  • 27 1
 You forgot to mention the shortest lived bike publication in mountain bike history
  • 14 0
 Didnt have the sigma grindset
  • 39 15
 Ebikes just plain suck.
  • 27 5
 First time I’ve read Ebike news and smiled.
  • 6 0
 This is Sad, but not very suprising. Big corp attitude
  • 10 0
 "Offering them COBRA". Isn't that required by law? How generous of them.
  • 6 0
 @schu2470: can’t afford CORBA on a journalist salary anyways. High hopes e BETA staff have a soft landing… pretty bummed because I just a print mag subscription. I really liked the articles…
  • 16 0
 I have always found it confusing why so many e-bikes and e-scooters are sold and used in Vancouver even though the vast majority are illegal. They should really either enforce the rules or remove them.
  • 1 0
 I was in Sydney for the weekend here in Oz and throttle ebikes are everywhere. All of them illegal, lol. 95% being delivery drivers too.
  • 17 0
 I m hearing that Beta is completly done since early this week. Very weird, since they still try to sell suscriptions...
  • 30 0
 But you will get a subscription to replace it with something you could care less about like Outside did when they cancelled Bike mag and sent me Men’s Journal as a replacement. Outside pretty much sucks as a corporation.
  • 2 0
 They were advertising for an editor’s job as recently as two weeks ago.
  • 5 0
 @endoguru: they sent me a check for $1.70.
  • 9 0
 @unrooted: try not to spend it all at once
  • 5 0
 Hav not heard a peep about what is supposed to happen with my subscription. Supppper bummed to have only received 1 of the 4 issues I paid so much for just because I like print.
  • 5 0
 @endoguru: I loved Bike magazine. And Dirtrag. I didn't even know Beta was a magazine. I thought it was some digital paywall thing.
  • 6 0
 @office: I did too. I still enjoy a good magazine. Beta was just a renaming of Bike essentially. It was the same editing and testing crew as Bike. They suckered me into buying a subscription 2 months ago. They knew good and well they were going to dump it by then. Very dishonest and deceptive business in my opinion. It’s hard to believe Pinkbike will exist with Kaz, Levy and the crew in its current form in the future.
  • 5 0
 @endoguru: in all seriousness, they likely did not know for certain they were going to dump it then. As I mentioned, they were advertising for an editor as recently as two weeks ago. They likely knew they were in trouble and needed to see where they stood at the end of the quarter, but back when you bought in, they were likely hoping there would be more people like you subscribing.

Pinkbike is probably one of their most successful titles. It’s not going anywhere, but you will see changes. For example, they wanted Beta to be its paywall site. Where do you think that paywall is going to go now that Beta no longer exists? At least some of it, anyway.

As for staffing, no one is immune from the corporate bone hammer, but I think Outside management has at least gotten a picture by now about the Pinkbike community. Start axing our favorite contributors, and we will abandon this site as obstinately as we refused to pay for and patronize the other one.
  • 4 0
 Another thing I can’t figure out. None of the articles about it have made it clear to me — is Beta completely dead, or just the print edition? On the one hand, they say they want more in depth video content, and it would seem Beta could still do that behind their paywall model, but on the other hand, haven’t seen any Beta content promoted here on Pinkbike in the last week or so?
  • 1 0
 @TheR: the last article published on beta was on May 20th: www.betamtb.com
  • 16 0
 i can't even remember the last time i used a crank puller
  • 12 0
 Adam Morka sells his and Emily Batty’s soul and reputation to influencer hell of sports betting and online casinos. Dicks
So much for Inspire Athlete Management values. Also dicks
  • 2 0
 Looks like they deleted all the negative comments on the IG post, too.
  • 10 0
 I sure hope “the regulators” can find a way to bankrupt the Surron and Segway e-motos. Those things are going to kill trail access for all biking. Around where I live they are getting way too prevalent and it’s dangerous to do rides near sunset as that’s when they are out doing 35 mph or better.
  • 9 0
 The regulators don’t know it yet but all it takes is one battery fire in a dry forest like BC or SoCal for the banhammer to come dropping down.
  • 3 0
 I almost got ran out of the bike lane on my commute home last week by one of those guys weaving around traffic. Between that and having to stop a pair from going UP the DH trail my GF was currently riding down, I am getting rather sick of them.
  • 2 0
 @JSTootell: I think it’s gonna take mountain bikers to enforce this. I feel like the trouble with SoCal is just to ride a real bike you already have to break the rules to ride anything decent so we as riders don’t feel we are in a position to enforce other people breaking more serious rules. Shy of cutting power cables I’m not sure what else is gonna stop them.
  • 2 0
 @tsn73: I already caught flak from people who didn't understand why I was upset (and called out in person) a guy riding a GAS powered dirt bike up a jump line, I don't think anything will make a difference.
  • 8 0
 USA is amazing county. If you lose your job because you have depression you lose your health insurance and you cannot get better to go back to your job. You end up on the street. They make 5% of population of the planet but use almost half of Earth's resources. They have the largest number of people per Capita in jail. Their cities are PURELY car oriented. The list goes on... But they say that an assisted bicycle is bad for environment. And the american populus buys this crap as a fact. Wake up people.
  • 6 1
 Republicans and corporate propaganda, combined with usually uneducated people. It’s a bummer to see it first hand. There are great things about the U.S., but corporations, NRA, big oil have other plans for the country. People here don’t even know how gas prices work. They can’t understand that they will save money by ditching fossil fuels. There are certain states that have their shit together and pretty much provide the economy for the whole country.
  • 3 2
 I mean I don't think most of the e-bike hate on here, at least, is for commuter e-bikes. It is solely for e-mtbs and stems from the trail access struggles that the US mountain bike community has gone through.
  • 3 2
 People aren't riding eBikes to replace cars, they are riding eBikes to replace recreational bicycles.
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: Some people. I do know a few people who are using ebikes to ride to work etc. If I worked at home or at least where I could ride to work without possibly getting killed 10 times a day, I'd 100% be buying something like a Surly Big Easy to replace a lot of my car trips.
  • 2 1
 @93EXCivic: I have been bike commuting for about 8 years. My current commute is 30 miles round trip. I occasionally see one other person on an eBike. A couple others on regular bikes. I would say on average I see TWO other bicycles a week on my commute route.

I saw 5 eBikes on the trails (though for once, I think they were staying where legally allowed....when I was witnessing them) on my ride Sunday.

People aren't buying eBikes to commute on. Maybe a handful, but only a handful.
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: I mean how many people commute on bikes? The lack of biking infrastructure in the US is the biggest problem.
  • 2 0
 @93EXCivic: That just supports my argument that people ARE NOT buying eBikes for commuting.

My bike commute is 3 miles of bike lane, then 12 miles of 50-55 MPH roads with a shoulder, half of which is virtually highway. I occasionally see one guy on a regular road bike on my way home. I occasionally see another guy on a regular road bike in the morning on my way to work. On very rare occasion a guy riding an eBike.

People are not buying eBikes for commuting/errands, they are for recreational use in America.

I am in SoCal where I can comfortably commute year round (which I do). Only days I don't ride to work are the days I drive to work and bring my MTB so I can hit the trails straight after work.
  • 8 1
 I read the ebike theft as “container driver makes a lot of money from organised crime”. Come on, Fleet services is very remote, hardly anyone uses it or stops there and to have the container conveniently targeted frankly beggars belief
  • 3 0
 Not really remote if you're heading from Southampton to Nottingham, where Merida are based. On the M3 its the last stop before you hit the M25 so depending on when he was travelling could be a 'sensible' option for a stop.
  • 3 0
 can be anyone who knows what's inside the container and which truck is gonna carry it, from the harbor, customs, or freight company. All it takes is to follow a truck and wait for a taco break. On the other hand, the dodgiest englishmen I've come across are truckdrivers lol
  • 4 0
 @iiman: you guys have tacos over there?! Nice.
  • 4 1
 @Chafingdish: yeah mate, deep fried mars bar tacos with a mushy pea dressing are to die for.....maximum noms
  • 16 11
 The rest of the world doesn't appear to struggle to differentiate between a Mx bike and a 250 watt pedal assisted emtb. Why do yanks find it so hard?
  • 30 3
 Because we are a country of idiots at the moment: “Have an opinion on everything and be a dick about it”. It is actually quite sad how divisive we have become. I was in a gathering recently were someone who was talking about the need for inclusion followed up with this statement: “How am I supposed to be in a room with people that don’t agree. They make me so angry and I hate them”. The hypocrisy is amazing.
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 It's extremely easy to differentiate an Emtb from a MX bike, one clearly weighs more and has a notable amount more power. It's also easy to differentiate an Emtb from a mtb, one clearly weighs more and has a notable amount more power. Emtb don't have to be the same as MX bikes to make them a bad idea to have on recreational trails that were designed for and designated as non-motor powered vehicle access... Now, if all Emtb only had 250w motors or less, and weighed 50lb or less, and topped out at 20 MPH or less, and people were ethical enough to never bring modified ones to the mtb/hiking trails, then it might be very easy to be accepting and friendly about sharing the trails with Emtbs. But this isn't what is happening. In my own experience on my local trails I have so far seen one fair and reasonable use of an Emtb which was a slightly overweight man riding a new Santa Cruz heckler in order to get into the sport and lose some weight and get healthy. Every other "Ebike" I've seen out on the trails has clearly had much more power, most have had thumb or twist throttles and weren't being pedaled at all as they went flying by. So when this is the reality of Ebike use on the trails, it feels much more like there are MX bikes out there than Emtb.
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 @endoguru: you have absolutely no potential whatsoever in the political arena do not become a politician .....but omg did i lol at the honest appraisal
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 @robw515 you mean that kid went up that hill on a standard trek rail at 35 mph dont you , just to get the strava KOM i have considered going up there on a modified surron just so he get that OH NO YOU LOST YOUR KOM but id rather punt him off his ebike down the side of the hill for being a twat
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 This is a good point. And I think it needs to be brought up that the “opposition”, ie the Sierra Club and the like, are doing their best to lump all E bikes together, ie a class 1 pedal-assist is the same thing as a Surron or full E-moto.

There is such a massive difference between a class 1 pedal assist bike and an E-moto and we bikers need to recognize this and acknowledge it rather than playing into their hands by also lumping anything with a motor into the same camp.
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 @robw515: that's really unfortunate. Here in Oz throttle bikes are used almost exclusively by delivery drivers. Never seen them on the trails here. They'd get called out and kicked out pretty quickly if they did I reckon.
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 That picture with the cacti on a Cargo bike does a really good job at convincing me to take the car the next time i go to the garden store...
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 Another batch of bikes stolen before it gets into the shops.
How many cases like this needs to happen before the companies rises up the security?
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 That's a lot of bikes to be stolen. Fleet services are quiet at times though (I live in Southampton where the container docked), I bet no-one batted an eyelid.
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 I can't see many Police Forces wanting to escort lorries on the motorway in case the driver wants to stop off for a piss...
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 @korev: police forces? Maybe a simple movement sensors in the container, you know, ever heard of IoT? that kind we protect our bikes with
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 A bike (bicycle) is a two-wheeled vehicle that is solely human-powered or has pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 horsepower), and which can be powered solely by the motor to less than 20 mph (for a 170-pound rider on flat ground).

Haha, didn't some roadie produce over 1500 watts for an extended time recently?
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 @Thirty3 - If by "extended time" you mean 10 seconds, then yes.
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 @Inertiaman: And if by 10 seconds, you mean maybeeeeee 1-3s and then a 10s average of around 1kw, then maybe yes.
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 @Breeconay: the PB comment system apparently deletes the less-than symbol, so take my 10 second reference loosely. No objection to your further clarifications, although I thought I had seen cases of track sprinters able to sustain 1400W for ~5 seconds, but maybe I'm wrong.
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 @Inertiaman: I've never seen it in data, but I wouldn't be surprised by the looks of some of the athletes. Thanks for the clarification!
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 @Inertiaman: Yep that be it :-D
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 This removes any hope I had that the Karoo 2 would integrate field data from Shimano’s STEPS system (the most prominent ebike system by orders of magnitude).
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 It's only a matter of time for the Ebikes.
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 doesn't viathon have an assembly facility in arkansas?
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 Not sure of the Viathon connection to the articles above, but fwiw Viathon is apparently defunct. Still have a website, but phone numbers are dead, emails bounce, no Facebook posts in last 18 months, no way to order a derailleur hanger, no way to submit warranty claims. I'm sort of surprised someone like Bicycle Retailer - or Pinkbike? - hasn't picked up on this and written a "Viathon Part 2" article. Surely it would inspire a million I-told-you-so's.
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 Yeah
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