Nino Schurter Receives Penalty Fine at the Lenzerheide XC World Cup 2022

 Or garmin data at least for more speculations!

 my Swiss TV crew conspiracy threads.

 Dear Sir. I have a video of the incident, please transfer 25'000$ via Western Union in advance. Thank you very much!

 @kazwei:

 schurty deal when you get flücked in a race

 Would be good if it should be possible to put a Gopro on some of the top^contenders, as it is in dh.

 @smartfartbart: too much added weight. Lol beneficial going downhill not so much uphill in their minds.

 @tiffe: everyone wears one then it’s even.

 @mfoga: Just like F1

 @tiffe: Yet they race with the mass of a powemeter, but won't carry a CO2.......

 @bok-CZ: LOL

 @FUbob: Trump sucks. The whole world knows it

 @packfill: why do people feel the need to unhide a comment only to try and start a fight.

 @kazwei: I've read that with an indian accent

 @hellanorcal: yeah always baffles me that. they waste time riding a flat to the tech zone when a quick bomb to the tyre could get them going. they weigh literally nothing!

 Brandon is worse.

 @FUbob: sorry your observational skills and critical thinking ability seem to be missing...

 @smartfartbart: to many grams

 @packfill: Let's go BRANDON!!
Packfill you are packed full of Demoncrat lies!

 Exactly! No need to connect it to things that happend a year ago. I‘m sure that MF‘s decision to overtake was made in a millisecond and has nothing to do with frustration.

But hey, who doesn‘t love a good drama

 @pensamtb: yep as another rider said “Nino he thinks he is the captain but he ant the boss”

 @Bay1: ha yeah, and that guy rarely shines; loads of fighting talk but face it man N1no is the boss!

 Thats nothing...For reaction what I saw some years ago at Maxiavalanche... One well known top rider started kicking and punching one rider at the finish line whom put him down during the mass race "contact'... The most surprisingly the organization fined the non violent rider!.. Wuala!

 @Bay1: it's a sour crout wannabe that said that.

 You won't be disappointed! Rob and Bart are a perfect mod combo as well. Go watch some XC before Rob is gone and discovery takes over!

 It's actually pretty good, I sat there and watched the Womens XC racing the other day!

 First time I watched it , the 3 last laps actually, and it was hot. Not disappointed at all.

 a double header DH and XC weekend and my family dont see me for the entire weekend. It is as good a weekends entertainment as you will ever get. XCO is top notch entertainment

 Better hurry, because 23' will be hard to watch,

 @stretchza: Same here :-)
Actually starts around thursday... Pit-Bits, Trackwalk, Cathro, Wyntv, Rider doccos etc.
Youtube knows how to get my attention.

 @yakimonti: maybe we can use the F1 trick? Put the TV on Viaplay/Discovery and put the radio on a web stream with someone that actually knows how to do commentary.

 @J3cc: I can get my whole family (wife and kids aged 7, 11, 15) to sit and watch the XC races with me. It's amazing. Now if I could only get them to ride with me too...

 @wgmmm98: Lucky! I usually get the response of "Why are you watching that crap?" from my family members!

 @yakimonti: literally

 FYI "not normal" is a coded doping allegation in road cycling.

 @Greghoin: be less racist, greggy.

 In Italy, it would just mean "you're a damn retard". Quite harsh indeed.

 @chakaping: This is true, but I think this phrase used in this context has the meaning that @Tasso75 mentioned.

 FYI, the editor who wrote this piece probably just used Google Translate as I don’t think Pinkbike got someone on the team who speaks German.

The accusation of being „not normal“ would, as an idiomatic expression, more closely translate to „you’re out of your mind“.

 @chakaping: It might or might not. Doesn’t matter as it’s surely not what Schurter meant. In German-speaking countries the accusation of being „not normal“ is just an idiomatic way of calling someone crazy or out of their mind.

 @HardtailHerold: are you from east block ex communist country? I doubt and I don’t agree that this a strong insult there. I grew up and spend half of my life in one of those countries and I can assure you that, given the variety of all kinds of really rough swear words and richness of other insults, telling someone that they are “not normal” is nothing to be punished for by any means. Punishing Nino for what he said is in my opinion a bit of virtue signaling on the part of the UCI.

 Can't believe I bothered reading through all this butt hurt hoping to find out what Nino got mad about. Someone bring me up to speed.

 @blowmyfuse: MF took him out, apparently. But no video of it.

 @Muscovir: I'm not saying Nino meant that, just providing the info that it's a very loaded phrase to be throwing around in cycling. I'm sure your explanation is accurate.

 @conoat: I thought the USA was a country, not a race. I have much to learn here on Pinkbike

 @MDW83: well...that's anti-climactic news. Dang!

 @Muscovir: I speak passable German. I don't know if the "pas normal" doping subtext carries over to German, but it's a direct, accurate translation. I'd be hesitant to translate to "you're out of your mind" or something less literal.

 @brianpark: Pretty cool that you speak German. I've got lots of respect for that acutally, it's definitley uncommon and it's a difficult language to learn. So I'm honestly not trying to berate you, but I'm sure that you're wrong on this one.

I'm a native German from a region adjacent to the Swiss border. I've grown up speaking an Alemannic German dialect that is very close to most versions of modern Swiss German. I personally can also understand spoken Swiss German dialects, which is definitley not common for Germans. For example, if you showed that SRF interview to someone from Berlin without any subtitles, they most likely wouldn't understand what Nino and Mathias were saying. But like I said, I grew up speaking a similar dialect, so I'm sure I can judge it's intricacies accurately.

Anyways, I can assure you that, if someone speaking that dialect, who is also very agitated, calls another person "nüt normal", he definitley means to say that the other person has lost their mind.

"Not normal" is definitley not a wrong translation, I'll give you that. In a very literal way, it's accurate. But it's missing the subtext. Like I said, expressions akin to "Du bist ja nicht mehr ganz normal" are (in this dialect) idiomatic for "Du hast ja den Verstand verloren" aka "You've lost your mind".

Wheter or not it also carries the doping subtext I feel like don't ultimately have the authority to say, because I don't know enough about roadie slang. But what Nino says in the interview leads me to believe it doesn't. He wasn't mad at Mathias because he couldn't shake him, he was mad because he thought Mathias made an error of judgement and rammed into him. Actually he also hints that Mathias might have done it deliberately.

 As a linguist .... no, just kidding.

 @Muscovir: Vielen Dank.

 @Muscovir: German speaking Swiss here: you hit the nail on it's head...

I hope that saying works in english, unlike: "It's not the yellow from the egg" :-P

 @Phipu: "you hit the nail on the head" is frequently said in English.

I have no idea what your "egg" idiom means, though.

 You are all the same race, Earthlings. Some are XC and some are DH.

 @barp: in German "Es ist nicht das Gelbe vom Ei" means that something is not quite right, not sufficient, might work but just is not good... Something along those lines.

 @Muscovir: As someone who speaks English and can understand what those people from the south are saying when they talk, I can without a doubt tell you that I have no idea what Nino said or even meant when he said what he said.

 @Muscovir: I watched that interview and thought the subtitles were wrong

 @Muscovir: oh yeah I’m sure you’re right. Just explaining why we were more comfortable using the direct translation.

 @ullsen: hahaahaa

 @brianpark: Any plans to report on the rumour (possibly more than a rumour if it's true that Loic has arranged a meeting about forming a rider's union today) about the DH races being reduced to 30 riders? Or team registration fees going up from $3,000 to $20,000? Seems like pretty important news to me, you know, that could be of interest to people frequenting a mountain bike website.

 I assume this roughly translates to “what’s wrong with you?”

 @suspended-flesh:
As a Enduro rider I take offense...

Also, I knowIknow.. not a ride genre.. justAjoke

 @torj: Sorry man, I now see that my remark was not very inclusive.

 @eugenux: rubbing is racing.

 @chakaping: this comment may have aged very well!
Murmurings of incoming news about a flukiger suspension.

 From that instagram video, "quiet" is the last thing I'd say about Luca's celebration Well done to him for staying focused and racing hard to the very end. The crash might have helped him but his commitment kept him within range to take advantage of it.

 Ninos having a good season so I suspect he will pick up another win, but it’d be rough if he lost his last chance because of this. With the next generation coming up in the tanks he likely doesn’t have too much more time at the top.

 But surely he doesn't want it to be just given to him. I still don't know what MF actually did, but I expect all racers to race NS hard and make him actually earn that record.

 @MDW83: like his teammate Lars Forster beating him on Snowshoe 2019. Nino could have equalled Absalons record back then

 Why do a lot of people claim that he would have "likely" or "surely" won? If the two riders were close enough to get tangled up, that seems to cast quite a bit of uncertainty onto either rider's likelihood of winning.

Not trying to play devil's advocate here, just curious. I'm trying to familiarize myself with the racing scene of the sport. I've been following the downhill and enduro since this season started, but this is the first time I've watched the XC races.

 @gullywasher: Nino is the better sprinter, afaik. He also looks more muscular and less of a climber (like MF).

 @xice: MF outsprinted him up the gravel road stretch a few minutes before the crash.

 @Rich-Izinia: was it a sprint though or an attempt to wear nino down? MF did so in leogang and it worked out, i believe. It was quite long before the finish though.
However i think nino outsprinted guys in the past 1 on 1. But im not watching xc long, so i could be wrong.

 www.blick.ch/sport/rad/fortsetzung-des-mountainbike-knatschs-was-lief-im-zielraum-zwischen-schurter-und-flueckiger-id17652882.html

here the news

they both say ther was some slapping/hitting involved!
i think this is mean from nino since his a big spriter typ of guy!
flückiger should get a bodygard!

cheers

 More drama, more viewers. Officials should be slipping them some cash under the table for the performances.

 Not to mention Hatherly's comment about "I'd rather get on the podium fairly" (paraphrasing). Might be reading too much into his comment but all the post-race reactions seem to point to MF being at fault with a reckless/impossible pass.

FWIW it definitely wasn't a guaranteed win for Nino in a sprint finish, at least IMO. MF didn't seem to have too much trouble going with Nino's attacks on the last 2 laps. Seems like a lack of skill, miscalculation, or a plain old grudge (or a combo of the three) for MF to go from a good shot at 1st to nearly off the podium.

 Not to mention Hatherly's comment about "I'd rather get on the podium fairly" (paraphrasing). Might be reading too much into his comment but all the post-race reactions seem to point to MF being at fault with a reckless/impossible pass. Yes it's racing and shit happens but it just seems stupid and I'd be livid too.

FWIW it wasn't a guaranteed win for Nino in a sprint finish, at least IMO. MF didn't seem to have too much trouble going with Nino's attacks on the last 2 laps. Seems like a lack of skill, miscalculation, or a plain old grudge (or a combo of the three) for MF to go from a good odds of winning to this shitshow.

 But regardless, nothing but respect for Braidot and Hatherly for staying in touch and seizing the opportunity. Hell of an effort for those two.

 Finally!

 A bit shirtier than usual anyway

 We don't know if there was any contact between the riders. We have reached out to find out more so hopefully we can have a clearer picture soon.

 Had there been a punch or slap it would have been a suspension, surely?

 I didn't know Nino's coach was Brian Lopes.

 @Phipu: most interesting thing to happen in xc since Nino’s perfect season. Nobody needs a morality police for the f word.

 @bulletbassman: The most interesting thing to happen in XC since Nino’s perfect season was MvdP and TP showing up.

 @edspratt: On the 16:9 version of srfsport’s video you can see there was a camera man with RedBull graphics on the mic on the left side of Braidot filming straight towards Nino and MF as Nino had his outburst towards MF.

 @magnusc: you were kinda able to see it on the red Bull feed. They were showing braidot in his outburst of happiness while nino stopped right between him and MF (both on the floor) and started cursing at MF before retrieving to a more quiet space

 @scott-townes: I was just gonna say
"And Lopes jumps in, FROM THE TOP ROPE!

 @frenchfriedfun: "Give him the chair!"

 I have no idea where people are getting these slap allegations from.

 @mi-bike: there's a whole world between a soft push and knocking someone out. The first should probably result in a fine, the latter with criminal charges and everything in between. I don't know if and what Nino did.

 @bentopi: People get these from actually BEING there at the finish line.

 @Maxipedia: I mean, a fairly significant line up of photog's right there in the video of braidot on the floor on literal touching distance of the alleged slap. Probably the most heavily photographed area of the entire event, yet no published photos?
I was expecting a confrontation, staggered that no one seemed to have a camera pointed at Nino as he finished.

 @leopaul: yeah he rode right into the sitting riders, i bet he was pumped and firing on all cylinders. ooomf

 @juanny: Why do you think somebody would make this up? Like I have written a few comments below, I was actually there, a bare few meters away, but my camera was pointed at something else. Then I head my friends talk about this: ”Dude, have you seen that? He smacked him!”. So I can just tell you what was on location and be honest about it.

 @juanny:
timetotimes.com/?p=30279

 @Wanarama: Some bad translation going on there, but looks like a pat, slap, or hit on the back.

 @mi-bike: I didn't punch you Johnny, I just hit you! And also, my bike stepped on a bee

 here is the video of the "slap".. www.blick.ch/sport/rad/video-von-brisanter-szene-aufgetaucht-das-geschah-wirklich-zwischen-schurter-und-flueckiger-id17657510.html

 @paulpimml: I would call that a pat on the back to get his attention. Nothing to make a fuzz about. There not being a real slap is still not an excuse for Nino’s behavior. Somehow he seems to think a victory for him is more worthy that a victory for any other racer. He gives me the Lance-chills.

 I'd compare that to your mobile phone vibrating when notifying you of a call/text.. sometimes more than a ringtone is needed!

 @paulpimml: if that was the only contact, There’s not much there. At all.

 *duel slalom

 !!!

 I had forgotten about that intevriew. Thank you!

 Avancini does not perhaps seem like the most reliable. Seems super macho, hot headed, and a bit of an a$$. Also, one of the only complaints regarding Schurter other than MF last year (after he left the door open and got past at the world championships). So, perhaps Nino is not too nice, but it's pretty challenging to add these two parts up and say there's a trend.

 @NorthShore111: And Avancini is well known here as a trash talker himself.

 @StFred: I've heard the same, and he always seems a bit full of bravado and himself in interviews. That doesn't make it a fact, but certainly makes it hard to take his word for things

 A 'switched on' cycling journalist should ask him on the rest day about the crash - we want to hear what he thinks. I mean, he'll be up against them both in the Worlds....he won't want to get involved in their private 'war'.

 And who is playing with whose balls?

 “Dunno too far ahead to care.”

 can someone call him and see if he's ok?

 Nobody in MTB has ever been remotely Friese-levels

 @Mac1987: Seriously! All these commentators saying they need GoPros or point reductions for making dangerous passes probably have some corporate jobs where their legacy is creating a policy because something bad happened once.

The sports dangerous. The UCI usually sucks with policies like banning super tucking and aero positions on the road. Don’t suggest things to make them do stupid shit to mtb.

In both cases of Nino passing Flukiger he took a wicked line and pushed flukiger to the outside. If Flukiger had not braked or fought harder it would have resulted in a crash. Which is probably what happened yesterday.

Stoked to watch Andorra!

 ..and came up with this passing strategy after watching Justin Barcia.

 @HelterSeltzer: bam bam

 Regarding "interaction at the finish line": see instagram video above.

 Yea vendors could test quality of their carbon under extreme stress

 He says he passed Mattias in the Forest when he was clearly leading going in to the forest. From the video it showed Matthias passing him. It would seem that he was passed and probably tried to pass him back and they came together. Only 2 people will ever know what really happened

 I can just imagine how a roadie race is. Lots of contact and smack talk and hurt feelings I'm sure.

 @conv3rt: how sure are you though? Sure like you know or sure like you have never seen or experienced it and have no idea(aka Pinkbike sure)…?

 @warmerdamj: my sister's cousin's pilates coach said that her dog walker's brother rode a bicycle once...that
kind of sure. which makes it one level above pinkbike sure.

Close friends who raced in CAT 1 used to tell me stories of elbows, unkind overtakes, harsh words, and broken friendships, baby. But hey, that's racin'. So no, not experienced myself but from a credible source. Shirley this is true. Or am I wrong and road racing is nothin but hugs and bum slaps?

What I DID personally experience was mass start nordic ski racing at the post secondary provincial level. Kind of like being thrown into a tumble dryer full of angry sharp objects that don't care about your safety or desire to win. Sometimes you stab, sometimes you get stabbed. Often both.

 There was no slap; not sure where people are getting this from.

 @bentopi: basically from being there and seeing.

 @Wanarama: where you there and saw it? or do you know of someone? I feel like he would get suspended 100% if he had done it.

 @bentopi: Yes we were there and saw it.

 @Wanarama: you saw who slap who? At thw finish line? I saw video and it showed nino standing over mathias yelling at him while mathias sat. Please explain.

 @jtorrento: There were more people talking about this. I was there too, but I did not see that, as I was too busy taking pictures, but a few people around me were in shock having seen this.

There is a lot of PR-istic talk and euphemistical language here. Nino looked like he wanted to KILL Flückiger. What they did on the podium was for the crowds, as they knew it slipped a bit too far this time. It looked like that to me, and I was 10m to the right of this whole scene. But there is as much bad blood there as there is water in the Amazon.

I also noticed there is a whole lot of bias towards Nino. I actually remember pretty well how the on-spot commentator kissed the as of every Elite Swiss rider (which I totally get, given the context, it's cool) and highlighting how special it was that Filippo Colombo was even a rider on a Swiss team (BMC) and I was like ”Dude, Flückiger won you 4 World Cups since 2019 and he is riding for the relatively small Swiss brand Thömus! Why do you deliberately ignore that, it is not fair!”. The Nino fanhood in Switzerland is something like religion, I guess, and facts matter less.

Flückiger, on the other hand, was visibly shaken and he knew he f*cked up and this will not go away easily.I'm sure his popularity on the Lenzerheid did not grow, also given the fact that Nino is literally from two valleys away.

 @jtorrento: How can I explain...he raised his arm and hit him. Now whether this was a slap, smack, hit, a push or just XC love, it can be debated.
I have no bias here, I didn't know who these guys were until Sunday, but I happend to be there at that moment.
My pain is I had my popcorn ready and feet up for the news, and nothing !
Def following the rest of the XCO world cup!

 @jtorrento: www.watson.ch/sport/mountainbike/483836842-mountainbike-hat-schurter-flueckiger-auf-den-ruecken-geschlagen

 Looks like a spark.

 @You2: bold statement