Orbea's New Raw Carbon Finish Saves Up to 100 Grams

Jan 4, 2021 at 7:50
by Ed Spratt  

Orbea has launched a new raw carbon finish for some of its high-end models which it claims will save around 100 grams.

The new customization option from Orbea is available on its Alma, Oiz OMX and Rise bikes through its MyO tool. By removing the color layer, Orbea can decrease the thickness of the initial paint treatment and the final varnish, this results in a weight saving of between 80-100 grams depending on the model. For its lightweight XC bikes like the Alma and Oiz this is a decent weight saving but for the Rise eMTB it is probably more of a design choice than a choice that offers any real advantage on the trails.

The raw finish option is available alongside the existing range of colours and it can be adjusted to have a matte or gloss coat on the raw carbon. While the finish is mostly paint-free, the frames will still feature the standard logos which can have their colours changed as part of the MyO program.


The new finish options are available now through Orbea's MyO program and you can find out more about the Raw carbon finish here.


141 Comments

  • 585 2
 Orbea part ways with paint
  • 21 4
 comment of the week
  • 164 0
 Paint is now riding for Santa Cruz
  • 38 0
 Paint rejected by Raw Madonna for new frame sponser
  • 86 0
 After many memorable years together the time has come to say a paintful goodbye. It was an awesome journey together with you. Thank you for the colourful memories. We wish you all the best for your future. Keep spraying.
  • 65 1
 @nyhc00: actually, several Santa Cruz frames could part ways because of the paint...
  • 3 0
 @southoftheborder: technicallythetruth
  • 6 0
 I heard somewhere that Tesla was expecting to save up to $500 000 000 by opting out of paint completely on the cyber truck.
  • 3 0
 @theredbike: stainless steel has to be costing them way more than no paint is saving
  • 13 0
 Now I can finally ride with underwear on.
  • 5 0
 Paint is so 2020!
  • 2 0
 @jj12jj: I mean yes but it is a solid piece of stamped steal. There is no hydro molding or plastic bits which are traditionally super expensive.
  • 1 0
 @jj12jj: Not when accounting for their novel manufacturing technique, and bulk purchasing, since they are using the same alloy to build their next gen of rockets.
  • 2 1
 @jj12jj: Not confirmed but I'd assume that Elon is going to make some cyber trucks out of scrapped rockets.
Elon loves to take something thought of as waste and turn it into profit. A good example are the bricks they sell from the Boring company.
  • 18 1
 Can we opt for a paint only option (no carbon).. that would save loads of weight
  • 1 0
 @jj12jj: nevermind how heavy SS is in comparision to ALU. I highly suspect the production truck to both look wildly different that the prototype(ffs, it better) as well as be made from more reasonable materials.
  • 1 0
 @hllclmbr: "bulk purchasing".... You really think that Tesla has a competitive advantage over GM or Ford in bulk purchasing?
  • 5 0
 The Raw Carbonna
  • 5 0
 As an owner of various Orbeas, I agree that the paint has never wanted to be on the frames in the first place!
  • 1 0
 @hllclmbr: bulk purchasing doesn’t really get you a discount on commodities, 304 stainless steel (today) is going for essentially $1.40/lb for just about any decent quantity
  • 2 0
 @theredbike: the expensive part of stainless steel is the stainless steel. Aluminum bodywork is stamped as well and is cheaper (marginally) to stamp, smaller presses are needed
  • 2 0
 @lyalltheweebeastie: underrated comment of the day!
  • 1 0
 @kcy4130: in regards to stainless, yes
  • 1 0
 @nyhc00: But only puke and diarrhea colors.
  • 1 0
 Same day shipping
  • 1 0
 @doe222: Wait. I am considering Orbea for my next bikes. Do they have a problem with the paint?
  • 1 0
 @ReeferSouthrland: No way man!!! Just save 200 grams instead of 100!
  • 2 0
 @beerandbikes: No Paint is good on my Rallon.
  • 3 0
 I was responding to someone’s comment about Santa Cruz paint. @beerandbikes:
  • 84 0
 forget about weight, carbon should always look this way! looks dope
  • 2 1
 looks dope but is a complete bitch to take care of, especially if they matte the finish coat.
  • 2 0
 My 2020 stumpy Evo pro agrees
  • 3 0
 @RONDAL: Clear tape homeslice!
  • 1 0
 @RONDAL: You can choose the finish
  • 62 5
 holy crap the metric system is way better. anyways here it is in bald eagles to apple pies- 3.5274 ounces
  • 58 1
 Im sorry Im not familiar with this ounces system or bald eagles to pies. Can you do 12 fl oz. Coors Light cans to football field? If not, I understand.
  • 10 0
 @chillrider199: it weighs about as much as one quarter of a can of beer.
  • 21 0
 How many areas the size of Wales is this?
  • 8 0
 @ODubhslaine: approx. 0.037 Olympic swimming pools
  • 8 0
 @NivlacEloop: k now do big macs
  • 6 0
 @lognar: about half a big mac.
  • 7 2
 @chillrider199: aahhh Coors light, by that you mean non-alcoholic beer
  • 8 2
 The inch and foot are pretty cool systems built out of the human body that I think are lost on people today. The way it worked is if your building a sword or something the handle will always be a standard size like 5 inches but when the builder builds the inch will be remeasured based on the final user body size. This means that in olden times people could use standardized measurements for building all things but could adjust the unit size of measurement to account for scale.
  • 2 0
 @chillrider199: of Coorse we can
  • 3 0
 @theredbike:
Feet and inches are actually from the length of a grain of barley. An inch being 3 dry grains stacked end to end.

Barley used to be super common and worked effectively as a reference of measure. We now need higher accuracy so using a system based on something none really uses doesn't make sense.
  • 5 3
 @theredbike: I’m from Europe, living in Canada. Worst uneducated lame worker can build straight and square home using metric system. Here in Canada most houses do not see anything under inch as a problem. Floors, windows, doors, walls,... its all out. In almost EVERY house! So please dont tell me imperial is better!
  • 1 0
 @theredbike: It was the axle and bottom bracket "standards" of their day.
  • 43 0
 #dangerholmapproved
  • 32 0
 He can't reply right now. Too busy shaving off the extra half crown from the Intend fork.
  • 3 0
 @southoftheborder: or making 2 stemmed shit colored monstrosities
  • 33 0
 I could not care less about the weight of my bike, but I wish mine had a raw carbon option. It just looks cool.
  • 9 0
 Since it looks cool, this will obviously be a popular frame option for the e-bike models.
  • 10 0
 At least one bike company that I worked for shied away from raw finishes because consumers complain about the layup appearances at tube junctions. Controlling each individual piece and making them consistent is extremely difficult.
  • 1 0
 Carbon fibre wrapping film...
  • 3 0
 FWIW, I like them too Smile Glossy preferred.
  • 16 0
 @robokfc: Yep, look at how much trouble Unno goes to make their carbon look good. Or in the automobile segment -- Pagani. We can't expect 8 year olds in China to have that attention to detail when putting our frames together.
  • 2 0
 Hope have that one in the bag.
  • 2 0
 @fullendurbro: Antidote has insane visual layup quality.
  • 18 0
 Carbon frames should ALWAYS have a raw carbon option, no questions asked.
  • 3 0
 +1 You are right like a speed goat
  • 10 0
 Fair play to Orbea, building a frame that cant hide a ton of filer takes more effort. visible carbon used to be a big deal in the late 80s & all through the 90s, its funny how that fashion has come around again

yes you could take a dump & loose 100g, but the person with the raw carbon would still be lighter Big Grin
  • 14 3
 With $3 worth of sand paper, you too can save 100g with a raw carbon finish.
  • 40 3
 With $3 worth of sand paper, you too can ruin a $2500 frame.
  • 4 0
 @bigtim: Dangerholm uses a craft knife doesn't he? One can tell he doesn't pay for his frames!
  • 2 0
 @jaame: he claims he does
  • 2 0
 @lognar: what he claims he uses a craft knife or he claims he pays?
  • 4 0
 @jaame: I use mostly knives when raw carbon is the goal and sanding for when I'm repainting. While I have a bit more support these days I've paid for several of the frames I've stripped in the past, for example the "World's Lightest" Scale SL and Spark SL builds.
  • 3 0
 @bicyclerider: hello Dangerholm. Nice thighs!

That is interesting to know and I have to say quite surprising. I assumed because you always do Scott bikes they must be supplying you - it's great publicity after all. To hear that you have actually purchased some of them makes them even better.

Out of interest, do you hammer the bikes after the photos are done? If so, have any of them ever snapped or cracked on places where the knife slipped? I've heard people say carbon bars usually crack where the brake levers have been moved and scored the tube with a bit of grit that was under the clamp. Using a knife blade seems like it would have a high possibility of leaving similar scores or scratches. What is your experience of that?
  • 3 0
 @jaame: Haha cheers man!

I've been building more or less wild bikes for many years, but with those two xc bikes my builds started to get a lot of attention so now things are a little different of course with some support. But those two, the Genius and my alu Scale were fully paid for.

Absolutely, some more than others but they all get properly ridden. I've taken xc bikes tot he bike park, raced and for example that World's Lightest Spark build survived the ABSA Cape Epic stage race under its new owner.
While you can damage frames with the knife method for sure, cuts like that is nothing I worry about. It can happen quite easily on sharp corners/edges of frames but with a stiff knife blade and good technique you'd b e fine. As for that specific problem you describe I dare say that in most cases it's not about surface damage but over tightening. While a scratch isn't good and can lead to failure, in many places on a bike you so many layers of carbon that a very minor damage to the outer layer won't cause a failure. For example most frames are sanded quite a lot after they come out of the mold, so they sand through the outer layer in spots at the factory already.
But especially lightweight handlebars and seat posts are sensitive to over tightening, an I've seen quite a few cases over the years.
  • 12 1
 If they don’t have to paint it, does it also save you $$$? Probably more significant than 100g.
  • 20 0
 Haha, keep dreaming! this is the bike industry after all. XD
  • 16 0
 They'll charge you more for the privilege of a no paint option
  • 13 0
 You obviously don't understand the Cost vs. Weight relationship in the bike industry!
  • 3 0
 They actually don't charge for the MyO custom paint jobs - or no paint as in this case. Personally, I think its a super cool option especially as there is no up charge.
  • 7 0
 They will probably have to put more work into the carbon fiber layup as there is no paint to hide shitty craftsmanship. So my guess is no.
  • 1 0
 @ratedgg13: Yeah, we are a cynical bunch. It’s fine, and I think a lot of people dig the raw carbon look. One hundred grams isn’t enough for me to care, especially on a frame. It would be nice if they knocked a couple hundred off for no paint, but also not a deal breaker if I were buying this bike.
  • 1 0
 Likely the other way around. Carbon frames have blemishes too and its easy to hide with paint, keeping the reject rates low and saving the factory money.
  • 1 0
 @Nygaard: Paint hides a multitude of sins! Pretty sure this applies to all industries. lol
  • 1 0
 @Nygaard: This is the reason why in the automotive industry clear finished carbon parts are considered more work intensive/expensive because someone has to align the first layer (in the mould).
  • 7 1
 Looks ok, but I wonder if it has any UV protection. The resin degrades much faster on sunlight UV exposure.
  • 8 0
 They still do a UV protecting lacquer over the carbon.
  • 8 1
 cool, now a 50lb. e-bike will be 49.75lb!
  • 6 2
 That bike weighs like 35lbs
  • 1 2
 @bike-lair: is that the for the raw carbon or the proletarian version?
  • 4 0
 I'm no weight weenie but 100 grams is 100 grams. Plus I love the raw carbon look.
  • 7 1
 Take half a small poop before you ride.... save double the grams.
  • 5 1
 @Mattysville: Poop isn't very dense. That's why it floats in water.

Better to take a full shit.
  • 5 0
 @hllclmbr: you need more fibre, it should sink.
  • 14 0
 @hllclmbr: this guy acting like his shit don't sink
  • 2 0
 @Mattysville: The average human poops 200 grams per day.
  • 2 0
 @TEAM-ROBOT: yes, I am above average!
  • 4 0
 Orbea: no paint saves 100g!
Dangerholm: Hold my beer.
  • 1 0
 True, riding in jorts saves a lot more weight!
  • 1 0
 I am more of a Weight Sausage than a weight weenie, cause that's what I look like when all my baggy gear is dirty and I have to wear my one xc style jersey. Can I still buy this?
  • 4 1
 Is there any concern with the resins deteriorating due to UV exposure?
  • 3 0
 This option still has clear coat, just not a color coat. A color coat also requires a clear coat. Using only a clear coat eliminates this redudancy, and yields the quoted weight savings. But you probably still shouldn't store one of these on the balcony of your condo in Winter Park.
  • 1 0
 @blcpdx: Gotcha. That makes sense.
  • 2 0
 Nice idea. Horrible pictures. Can we see what it actually looks like please?
  • 1 0
 Quite undecided yet, what to choose. The antimatter or the energy finish? Einstein would have taken the latter but antimatter is tempting too.
  • 2 0
 Sales: MyO customization lead times are killing us. We need a more optimal process.
Engineers: Done.
  • 2 0
 Evan is already winning the EWS.
  • 2 0
 That's a bit more than 3 ounces of weed!
  • 2 0
 How do you protect the composite from UV??
  • 1 0
 It’s still clear coated, just no primer and no paint.
  • 1 0
 Suppose if it 100 grams lighter then it makes it a tad easier to pick up the bits off the ground when it shatters
  • 1 1
 Orbea just needs to bring their prices down just a little bit. Great looking bikes, but they are a little on the pricey side.
  • 1 0
 Maybe in North America. Over here they offer way better value for money than Trek or Specialized. My Oiz with full Fox Factory and XTR/XT was £4500 compared to about £6500 for an equivalent Epic.
  • 2 0
 So do the RAW frames cost less?
  • 1 0
 Maybe the 100grs comes from the paint which parts away...
  • 1 0
 Oh baby I like it Raw. Oh baby I like RAAAW
  • 1 0
 Oh wow, so my raw SB6C from 2016 is looking cool for 2021 lift poses
  • 1 0
 They used to all be like that, no?
  • 1 0
 Delivery: 10/21... Damn, that might even be optimistic.
  • 3 4
 Save 100g, have your frame marked after first ride. Or spend another $100 to protect it with wrap,... what a BS
  • 5 0
 On the bright side, if you ever have to get the frame repaired, you won’t have to pay extra for a paint match.
  • 2 1
 @TheR: very true, been there, done that...
  • 1 0
 Great
  • 1 0
 Woohoo!
  • 3 3
 100 grams isn't noticeable. That's a sales gimmick right there.
  • 1 0
 This paints me to hear.
  • 1 1
 Going to be sued by specialized piece of shit ceo in 3 2 1
  • 1 0
 Rip ODB
  • 1 0
 looks like specialized?
  • 1 2
 Wait, who tf cares about weight when you have a motor on your bike? Lol
  • 1 2
 i'd snap that
  • 15 1
 seems logic as the paint is what gives the frame most of its stability
  • 5 8
 I think they're making a HUE-hg mistake...see what I did there? Big Grin
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