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Pinkbike Poll: Who is the Unofficial Red Bull Rampage Pinkbike's Choice Winner?

Oct 13, 2023 at 8:37
by Ed Spratt  
Brendan Fairclough riding into the lower mountain.

After an incredible event, the final results are in for Red Bull Rampage 2023. But we all know the judges' choices aren't always the people's choices and the most technical run isn't always the run that's the most fun to watch, so let's hear from you all. Who won in your hearts this year?

Who should have won 1st place?

Who should have won 2nd place?

Who should have won 3rd place?

Who had the best trick?

Who was over-scored?

Who was under-scored?

Whose run did you enjoy the most, regardless of scoring?

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  • 548 7
 Discovery have ruined this! ....wait... wrong thread
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flag southoftheborder (Oct 13, 2023 at 12:16) (Below Threshold)
 Underrated comment of the day!
  • 14 0
 finally a live drone at rampage!... RB couldnt been less...
  • 51 0
 I heard all judges had UCI badges.
  • 10 1
 I don't what this means, but it seems clever.
  • 21 0
 You should be second behind Brendog
  • 7 0
 @southoftheborder: Seems pretty rated to me with all of those upvotes...
  • 4 4
 @wpplayer18: Not when I saw it first! Glad to see the trend change the right way!
  • 2 1
 @njcbps: ha rilly
  • 30 0
 The only pitty this judges mess it up cause its been the best broadcast by far: live quality drone, riders show/lines, comentators, 2 runs, less waiting... and plenty of robbed!... Whatelse?
  • 20 1
 BTW after this perfect quality drone footage seems like Discovery bought theirs at the cheap chinese market...
  • 1 1
 @GoranNaVAjt: hahahahahaha
  • 4 0
 @PauRexs: the altitude drop and the distances involved are smaller here. Not to mention the number of riders involved and the frequency at which they drop in, alternating between woods/open spaces at the WC. Not sure it's a fair comparison, but maybe you're right.
  • 1 5
flag Notunormal (Oct 14, 2023 at 17:00) (Below Threshold)
 @PauRexs: wat r kidding terribel everything accept juging was acurat
  • 2 0
 @PauRexs: It was sponsored by T-mobile, who by the looks of it built a temporary 5G network on the site. The site is also ideally suited for this, with good line of site and no pesky trees. So WB needs to find a sponsor like T mobile!
  • 291 3
 -Zink over scored, incredible run though -TVS over scored -Bienve is a madman front flipping the canyon gap twice, deserved a higher score, rider of the day -Szymon, had potential for one of the best runs of the day, it's a shame he crashed -Brenden robbed in usual fashion, that sui over the canyon was gnarly asf -Emil showing lots of potential and proving he belongs -Talus with a fantastic run showing incredible potential for his future, crazy he's pulling moves like this off at 21
  • 94 23
 Bienve's top section was significantly lacking, but you're right that canyon front flip alone should've got him in the top 3 I think. I think they put Zink so high so they could fit guys between him and TVS if warranted. Otherwise they were basically saying, Zink's run was by far the best to that point, which is also true.
  • 67 209
flag scott-townes (Oct 13, 2023 at 12:15) (Below Threshold)
 And you're clearly ignorant about the lines they were hitting. That caveman drop is nuts and the drop Zink backflipped was easily the biggest drop ever backflipped by anyone. But hey, clueless gapers on PB know more than the legends of this sport who personally inspected every line before the comp. LOLOL
  • 89 88
 Life’s too short to not go big. Zink went bigger than everyone. Pretty clear to me who shoulda won
  • 64 1
 @adamkat: Bienve's top section was what held him back. The least action of any of the riders for the first part of the run, and then a mad bottom section.

He should have scored higher, but I also don't think he could win it without doing something on top.
  • 122 3
 I'm not trying to take away Zink's run from saying it was over scored, he definitely deserved podium at the very least. However, I think the fact that his score surpassed everyone else's by such a significant margin is ridiculous.
  • 17 3
 @ChristianToole: I mean they even said during the broadcast, not to put too much into the actual numbers of the score. What's more important is the order, hence my guess at judges leaving some room between Zink & TVS.
  • 41 0
 PB should ask the riders this year to submit their rankings of each of the runs. I know we think we all know who deserved what, but nobody (including the judges) but the riders on the mountain knows just how impressive each run is.
  • 12 0
 @Hayek: I was enlightened while watching the pre-ride show to find out that the judges measured every single jump, gap and drop. Didn't know they did that prep work.
  • 24 1
 @Hayek: it would be cool if they had the riders vote in the actual outcome, like King and Queen of Corberts...
  • 6 4
 @Spencermon: made no difference though...
  • 21 11
 @dwee: Zink for sure went the biggest and it was a sick run on account of that. What is needed is a better description of judging criteria and the weight each piece is allocated. Are we just looking for the single biggest, craziest move? If so Brendogs gap was just as, if not crazier than that flip.
  • 13 88
flag scott-townes (Oct 13, 2023 at 13:58) (Below Threshold)
 @freeinpg: They've been transparent about the judging criteria for years. This goes to show how little you guys pay attention to this.
  • 11 57
flag dwee (Oct 13, 2023 at 14:00) (Below Threshold)
 @freeinpg: other riders in the field would of been able to pull Brendogs gap. Was it sick? Yes. But no one else is doing what Zink did
  • 56 1
 @adamkat: i think the problem with giving zink such high score was it made all the guys after him think, well this is over. Nothing i do can win this. If his score was closer to TVS maybe the guys after him decide to pull something a bit bigger out.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 13, 2023 at 14:10) (Below Threshold)
 @Longroadtonowhere: LOL they're not motivated by the scores. Good lord, yall dense.
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 @scott-townes: sort of. They tell us about it but it's very vague. There is no formal weighting and it's very much seemingly done ad hoc. Not great when there is 100k and a significant injury risk on the line.


When there us
  • 69 3
 @dwee: surely in a freeride event, creating a brand new insane line and cleaning it/tricking it has to score higher than using the same line from 10 years ago?
  • 15 1
 @scott-townes: of course they are. There is significant money on the line for starters...
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 @Longroadtonowhere: and that it was unwarranted
  • 28 5
 Agree to all this. Szymon was going to win with that run, sad to see him crash.

I don’t understand how zink won, it was a cool run but there were better ones.

Pumped to see Emil holding his own, just needs to hit some more gnarly features.
  • 40 1
 @scott-townes: you should put the phone down and go for a ride. The comments section isn't worth the rage.
  • 10 4
 @Inertiatic: take out zinks flip and brendogs gap. Which run was better?
  • 53 2
 @dwee: except Zink’s one feature line has been hit multiple times over the years….with that trick….

Sink should have been top 3, possibly in the running for the win for sure

But Brendog and Bienve were massively robbed of podium places
  • 22 20
 Brendawg was gnarly exposed. Bienve had a massive trick! Zink had a massive trick and super exposed lines. His drop in from the top is so exposed, one little washout and he’s rag dolling and then goes right into the biggest drop, gap, drop sequence anywhere - with a dirt to dirt flat drop backflip. No dought in my mind who won. Zink had it all! And he made it look easy. Everyone had a great showing this year. Only thing that could have made this year better would have been Gee out there with a top to bottom run.
  • 97 2
 Who was the real winner? Not sure. But judging by this comments section the clear loser is @scott-townes.
  • 7 6
 DJ brandt underscored af
  • 69 9
 Serious question, being a rampage newbee, how many points do you get for being American?
  • 6 1
 >> -Talus with a fantastic run showing incredible potential for his future

Agree with everything you said, but please add no one has any idea what Talus is saying. Hey kids, here's your generation's Paulie Shore!
  • 7 1
 You pinned it exactly how i viewed it then rewatched it, pausing and studying their runs. BIG part of Brendog's run you missed to mention, was that "Battleship"..that ship was sketchy AF with mad exposure!
  • 28 3
 @scott-townes:The backflip was absolute madness and executed flawlessly with out a doubt (props to Zink!) but his course was too groomed and textbook was the remainder of his run. While Brendon closed the book and rewrote again his own saga of valor.
  • 13 1
 @scott-townes: I whole heartedly disagree. Bienvenido was very clear after his first run that he was done. I can't help but think that he had to be having some feelings of needing to do more just to compete against the obvious judges favorites.
  • 28 2
 Zink and Strait paved the way, 'member NWD? gotta respect the OG's

Brendog's battleship and ravine gap is what Rampage is about, shoulda taken first. Bienve's X2 back flip to front flip was f*cking INSANE though, mad respect for anyone who rides rampage, really hope Szymon's okay, prob one of my favorite riders to watch. Cant wait to see what Talus' got next year
  • 19 1
 It’s a right of passage for Zink to complain about the judging. If he ever speaks a word of that again we need to tell him to STFU.
  • 10 0
 @dwee: Brendan's. New line, more exposure
  • 5 4
 Unsignificant scores, biaised results, obvious favoritism... Rampage's figures determining a "winner" don't mean anything IMO.
Rampage is a show above all, and I don't give a shit about who's winning or got robbed or or...
  • 2 1
Dude, that is so naïve. All of them, obvs.
  • 23 2
 @dwee: zink went bigger repeating a 10 year old trick!

Think Brendog went way bigger twice riding something zink wouldn't touch.

All the old boys club has done is put riders off rampage. Just check out the voting above.
  • 5 0
 @danstonQ: Bienve just took all the most important prices at the end... really.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 14, 2023 at 3:57) (Below Threshold)
 @Inertiatic: Wrong. For being "fans" of the sport, you guys know next to nothing. LOL
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flag scott-townes (Oct 14, 2023 at 3:57) (Below Threshold)
 @betsie: LOL you fanboys are so ignorant its wild.
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and what have you done that makes you so much better then us? you seem to be on an awfully high horse for someone who’s in the pinkbike comment section as well
  • 13 1
 @scott-townes: how ironic as you're the definition of a Cam and Kyle fan boy. Your posts clearly show that.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 14, 2023 at 5:32) (Below Threshold)
 @lifeofloon: I'm a fan of all of the riders. What's to be said of people like you who are not fans of some of the dudes throwing down and who are responsible for so much progression in this sport? It must be strange getting angry because "your" rider didn't get a higher point value than you wanted. You're all whack.
  • 3 1
 @dwee: word!
  • 17 0
 @scott-townes: you wake up yet and realize you were on pink bike last night acting the fool? The oat sodas were showing man.
  • 12 0
 @scott-townes: are you even thinking for yourself, or just blindly accepting what the judges say? They are legends of the sport, more qualified than all of us on PB, but that doesn’t meant they are infallible and that there shouldn’t be more transparency with explanations for each score at the end.
  • 14 0
 @scott-townes: calm down buddy. I think it's time to reread this entire comment thread. It's quite obvious to everyone else you're the one who holds the most anger hear.
Explain to me how riding the same line year after year is progression just because he did his back flip a little bit higher this year than last year?
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 @enduroNZ: Americans and Canadians get 5 bonus points unless you’re from Utah
  • 6 2
 Sports by decided by judges giving style points are lame - especially when the riders are riding different lines. The entire event is a pointless exercise - except for the sugar drink merchants
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 @dwee: if the rest of his line would not have been the easiest on the hill, yeah sure..
  • 14 0
 @scott-townes: you're such a condescending a*shole. Goddamn dude, have some self awareness.
  • 4 0
 @danstonQ: it has always been this way. Once you let it go (and other judged events) it’s way better. Just watch them jump off shit!
  • 3 0
 You summed it up exactly (for me). Bren got robbed in 2019 and again this year. Bienve fully robbed - 2 canyon fronts and less than an 80 - with baller add'l moves? Nutty.

Still - they're all the kings of the rulers and its a sick event...I hope they're getting paid well & Godz doesn't have a concussion.
  • 6 0
 @dwee: Totally massive (and what just inches from the left side of that lip?) - just not seeing how that's a 95 and a canyon front / 1st ever - at 60+ ft gap gets less than 80 (?) Doesn't compute. Lots more to this than any one of us know of course, but visually that disparity doesn't compute w/ a 15 pt downscore on the frontflip.
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 @ChristianToole: I don't know how to judge any of this but Bienve getting less than 80 and Zink 95... just doesn't visually compute. Same w/ Brendon... his job is just apparently to get robbed: judges clearly don't rewards slope / moto style tricks - or Brendog's raw chutes & true mountain line w/ a canyon back in 2019. Lots of non-computation here.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 14, 2023 at 11:52) (Below Threshold)
 @Jdricks: Who would you trust? Some kids on PB who watched it from home, or legends of the sport who personally inspected each line?
  • 7 0
 Brendan and Bienvenido became proper rampage legends- in a few years podium spots won’t matter aside from the few thousand $ they come with. Stoked for both because it helps keep sponsor money flowing, finance sick projects, and they gained the peoples respect forever. So stoked for every rider and build crew, from Alex v. to zink that managed a top to bottom this year.
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flag cheech222 (Oct 14, 2023 at 13:03) (Below Threshold)
 @scott-townes: the most reasonable comment on this thread gets downvoted by 100 haha
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flag scott-townes (Oct 14, 2023 at 16:59) (Below Threshold)
 @cheech222: This website is infested with people who have severe cases of ignoramous gaperporius. I don't understand how they believe they're fans of this sport when they have many negative feelings towards one of the best events ever and demonizing legends who continue to push it beyond what's thought possible because they disagree with the judging. They're watching this for the wrong reasons so its hilarious seeing these idiots getting upset.

These people are not fans, they're just hopping onto another bandwagon.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 14, 2023 at 18:31) (Below Threshold)
 @likeittacky: bandwagon hopping gaper.
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Less than you lose for being an Enduro rider from new zealand
  • 2 9
flag bbachmei (Oct 14, 2023 at 20:28) (Below Threshold)
 Zinks run was insane. I can’t believe anyone thinks he didn’t deserve to win.
  • 5 1
 @scott-townes: lol did it take you a decade to remember your PB password or have you been using other accounts to troll people? Either way I got a good laugh seeing your name in the comments again. lol
  • 9 5
 @bbachmei: your right.
He dead sailed so much of his line he made me feel like I was nearly zink.
He backflips something half the size of what's already been done this year and you get all hot under the collar when other riders call out some very suspicious judging by his pals in the judges corner.
Some riders don't flip as oppo tricks are way more technical, higher risk and beyond zinks skills.
Some riders front flip a canyon gap which is beyond zinks skills
Others make a new canyon gap and battleship feature which are beyond what zink rides.

But his mates doing the scoring liked his slightly corked flip!

Watch the other runs again, take off your skewed view and marvel at what happened. Shame the judging is putting riders off rampage now.

Do you wanna come to rampage?
Who are the judges...?
Cams pals....
Nah, your alright, I am gonna go shred hardline and darkest instead.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 15, 2023 at 5:41) (Below Threshold)
 @betsie: "backflips something have the size of what's already been done this year"

Hahahahahahahaha oh my god, sometimes I wonder if you gapers even watched the event. For being "fans" you guys are so ignorant.
  • 4 1
 @betsie: i’m gonna be honest, pretty unbiased myself but this comment was pretty ignorant. yes zink wouldn’t do what those guys are doing, but they also wouldn’t have done that flip. that’s the point of rampage, push your limits and everybody has different strengths. and to say that backflip is smaller than others is just wild
  • 251 6
 Brendog needs to take his wife kids and an American flag next year
  • 68 0
 At least 8-17 cowboy hats
  • 27 0
 and his best mate be invited so they can build a line together.
  • 28 0
 Maybe more diverse judges.
  • 10 2
 Yep. That shits gettin old.
  • 42 1
 You know that when the judges are fist pumping zinks run the scoring is going to be bias. His run was real good but I feel like there will always be a natural bias with the scoring when the judges are mates with the competitors.
  • 12 0
 @enduroNZ: I definitely think the judging can be bias to the North American competitors (particularly the big names)
  • 23 2
 @enduroNZ: the Pinkbike poll got it right though.
  • 19 1
 @tom666: Zink has hinted at retirement and was the oldest guy there. Can't help thinking that influenced his score to some extent at least. The real winners were the audience thought. Brilliant Rampage.
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 @tremeer023: that plus ticking all the other boxes for a win.
  • 4 1
 @enduroNZ: to be fair, they didn’t show the judges for Brendog’s run, so we don’t know for sure they weren’t stoked.
  • 5 0
 @tremeer023: really, I’ve watched every rampage since 2010 and this took the cake. An absolute treat of a celebration of freeride in every shape and form.
  • 1 0
 @Jdricks: fair point
  • 5 0
 @NickMT: I've watched every Rampage. Zink had a good run and the flip drop was a total boss move. I put him in 3rd personally but it is very subjective.
  • 224 8
 Zink's run was insane. So was Bienve's. And Brendog's. And TVS's. And Storch's. Honestly any one of those runs could be called the winner depending on whether you're putting slightly more emphasis on tech or amplitude or tricks. Turk, Emil, and Strait also laid down heaters. The worst thing that happened today was that we didn't get to watch Godziek and Kaudela finish their runs. I don't care what the scores say. That was an awesome Rampage.
  • 8 1
 well put!
  • 52 4
 Agreed 100%. But man, no matter how you put it, Bienve’s was definitely a podium run. Even if it was lacking at the top. No wonder Andreu does not show up to this anymore.
  • 7 1
 Agreed, that was the best riding we've seen at a rampage maybe ever.
  • 18 2
 "the judges are still celebrating that Zink backflip,,"
source: time-traveler tiktok 2024
  • 8 7
 @stefkrger: how so? It started halfway down the mountain. This is not to take away from what he did, the flip to lillypad and the canyon front flip were insane, but the judges can't just ignore that the top half of his run wasn't really any cooler than King Kong. Please be objective here my guy.
  • 5 3
 This should be the take away. All these runs today from everyone were spectacular, even Jaxson with just that shear moto whipping style run. Judging was pretty damn near spot on.
Biggest shame is 110% that we didn’t get to fully see Godziek or Kaudela’s runs.
  • 4 2
 That flip was way bigger than anyone else’s of the day. FPV drone is terrible for This event. It takes the size of features down to nothing.

I agree bienve should have been scored higher for a trick never done over the canyon, but the top was weak, more than half the run was traversing.

Hot take : Carson storch had a way better run than tvs. Tricked so many more features. Granted Tom made that caveman look too easy. I’m guessing that’s an insane trick but it just doesn’t show that way.

Brendan should have been scored higher but if you go back and watch zincs run was dope
  • 2 0
 @Upat1intheMorning: agreed best rampage riding to date. Kaudlas run would have been insane.

Disappoint to see sorge just straight air everything. Injury? And it didn’t seem like Jackson’s wanted to be there.
  • 2 0
 @OrangeGoblin: agree with you! All i could add, i would have loved to see Gee put a run or 2 together. Cheers
  • 212 2

1) Gnarliest line
2) Smoothest run, zero cases or sketchiness
3) Suicided a gap most people thought couldn’t be jumped
4) Had as many tricks as most of the other riders

Still gets robbed…
  • 87 0
 When he was pulling stoppies at the top I was sure he had it in the bag, style for miles on top of the best line. Only rider to complete a run after hitting the battleship which was hyped up as the most disgusting feature on the hill.
  • 38 0
 He has consistently made amazing lines for years and gets robbed. I think 1/2 place would be arguable, but I feel like 4th...that just ain't right.
  • 17 0
I don’t know if it was a winning run, but no podium is a robbery for sure
  • 16 2
 @TopherJones93: 1/2 place is higher than 1 place
  • 29 1
 BF, Ollie and Deaks have been digging non-stop for 2 weeks straight only to get the shaft at the end is the very definition of 'getting robbed'.
  • 4 0
 @rickybobby19: A Mathlete!
  • 13 0
 He just needs kids with cowboy hats.
  • 3 0
 @rickybobby19: If you're not 1/2 place your last!
  • 18 1
Exactly, who else was more than a little worried about Brendan’s well being the week after they saw his lines? He made it more exciting than any other year in a sick way. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Brendan and a couple others just walked away after this display of such poor judging.
  • 2 3
 @derekporter: he won the non-north american category, that's nothing to be bummed for. I mean they do have these categories for sure, right? Like in MXoN where you get P10 but win the 250s?
  • 163 0
 Every Rampage got the:

1. Fan favorite daylight robbery
2. American TV profiteering
3. Transparent judging process
4. Family-friendly helmet mic and finish corral interview
5. Euro hate
6. Kyle Strait
  • 95 2
 Regardless of opinions of the judging, that was the best riding we’ve ever seen in a rampage. Absolutely insane. Stoked on it all
  • 24 0
 New to this year was the Opera endorsement
  • 16 1
 @theging: haha yeah, gotta agree 100%. But is it truly Rampage season if we aren't spewing vitriolic hate in the pinkbike comments section?
  • 2 0
 Hit the nail on the head
  • 1 0
 Y didid u do that
  • 1 2
 @thedoog: haha thedoog poop. Stop hitting nails on the head be kind
  • 1 0
 @cowboyray: shut up befor i get madd at u
  • 1 4
 @Notunormal: your an insecure sack of shit. Get a job
  • 2 0
 @cowboyray: at least i like in th land of th living unlike u livin in a graveyard
  • 1 2
 @Notunormal: dude the foods great down here
  • 7 0
 Shout outs to Talas Turk for some exquisite microphone work
  • 1 0
 @tom666: “Sorry audio guy!”
  • 117 5
 I vote for mandatory drug testing on judges before events, because they were clearly smoking something.
  • 33 0
 They were testing all of them I’d say
  • 151 46
 Cam Zink’s second run was clean… but no way in a million years was that a winning run. Same shit as 10 years ago!
Brendog got robbed, again.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 13, 2023 at 12:16) (Below Threshold)
 You're a jackass if you think that was the same drop he backflipped 10 years ago
  • 35 4
 A very solid third place run.
  • 109 12
 @scott-townes: you’re a clown mate. 2013 was when Zink flipped the Oakley sender… it was the same jump today, just minus the 8ft of timber take off.
Do your homework before spouting your prepubescent balls off. Dick head.
  • 26 0
 @lancomac: don’t panic he’s always in the local boy camp, wouldn’t hear any criticism to Sorge previously. I’m sure he’s a secret judge (and also a bit of a prick)
  • 13 0
 @sewer-rat: yes mate, couldn’t agree more - he seems like an utter chump!
  • 41 6
 @scott-townes: You're a jackass if you think a run that was literally the same he's done almost every year is worth the win... He wouldn't touch Brendog's line in million years. The judging this year was as whack as I've seen it.
  • 22 12
 @OlSkoolJake: true but Brendog would never backflip what Zink just did. Different riders with different strengths.
  • 8 18
flag OlSkoolJake (Oct 13, 2023 at 13:48) (Below Threshold)
 @markcorrigan: Fun fact.. Brendog only just learned how to do backflips at his last Rampage. He did one off axis and blind right after a huge suicide no hander over a 60ft cliff... Zink did a backflip he could do in his sleep... So yeah definitely different strengths going on.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 13, 2023 at 13:54) (Below Threshold)
 @lancomac: Oh yes, that's the ONLY difference. LOL thank god you dummies aren't judges
  • 23 1
 @scott-townes: Jackass dummies. Very good.
Shame you spend your energy wanking over the comments section on PB rather than just respecting all the decent riding at Rampage today.
Get out on your bike you punk, you might like it.
  • 13 0
 @scott-townes: Is all that negative attention worth it? Genuine question
  • 6 9
 @lancomac: you sound like the jackass here, I hate to tell you. Saying that it's the same drop even though it's got 8 to 12 feet of wood take off removed is absurd. Taking a huge drop and pulling the take off back that far is a big change to a feature and it shows in how fast it had to be hit.
  • 5 1
 @pastaman23: Gollum, on a quest to recover his precious.
  • 1 27
flag scott-townes (Oct 13, 2023 at 19:31) (Below Threshold)
 @lancomac: Do you not read your own posts? Much respect you're throwing around there, LOL "punk"
  • 12 2
 I had to turn it off after Zink's score
  • 4 14
flag Vraiphil (Oct 13, 2023 at 23:53) (Below Threshold)
 @scott-townes: you’re the man dude, it amaze me how nobody’s seems to know what they are talking about in this section. They all cry before the event that everything is groomed and slope style, and when Zink, TVS, Storch are awarded for a badass big mountain line, they are all crying again…

IMO hard for Brendan to be 4th again… he deserved maybe more to be 2nd because his line was so unique… but I haven’t be there in person soooo.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 14, 2023 at 3:58) (Below Threshold)
 @Vraiphil: Yeah that's the thing, the judges walked these lines, they know exactly what's being done. These armchair whiners have no clue and I can guarantee none of them have set foot at the venue. They're just a bunch of clueless fanboys hopping onto whatever bandwagon is popular.
  • 2 11
flag markcorrigan (Oct 14, 2023 at 5:14) (Below Threshold)
 Anyone who downvoted me is a moron.
  • 135 54
 Not a popular opinion - but I think Zink had the winning run and the judges got the winner right. There I said it.

The top part of his run was by far the gnarliest. The big flip was insane, barely not trick of the day. I do think Fairclough should have gotten more like 2nd/3rd and that TVS's first run was a bit overscored. Beinve needed more to his run, unfortunately, though the flip into the step down and the frontflip was obviously f*cking insane. I thought the event was run much better this year, no stupid 3D renderings, they fired the riders one after another! They highlighted the diggers more this year too. I cannot imagine how hard it is to judge the event. When Beinve went after Fairclough, I was thinking how the hell do you compare these?! Good work Rampage. It was not the "slopestyle event" everyone claimed it would be.

Freeride will never die.
  • 59 1
 Gnarlier than the battleship?
  • 6 6
 Great comment.
  • 8 16
flag stealthpenguin (Oct 13, 2023 at 15:04) (Below Threshold)
 @Inertiatic: you gotta see Utah to put it in perspective. The battleship was threading a needle horizontal and cams line was threading a needle vertically. I think the vertical is gnarlier, all though the battle ship looks crazier on video feed.
  • 26 0
 @stealthpenguin: no one had ever dared touch it until this year. Zinks line was the same one as usual. That's got to be telling
  • 2 0
 Agree on all of the above. Every run today was awesome. Wish Szymon completed his run though!
  • 2 1
 you gotta compare Bienves run and score to Simon Godziek last year (2nd) then to totally prove this is the biggest robbery in Rampage history... Fortunately, maybe in compensation... he got all the most important/valued prices at my eyes...
  • 4 1
 @PauRexs: No because they don’t have the same top section…
  • 1 0
 Regarding setting off the riders in quick succession, that was only because the weather held off. I'm sure that's what they're aiming for every year but this year just got lucky with the wind.
  • 3 0
 @Inertiatic: okay well I disagree I think pointing your bike straight down the mountain is gnarlier. I certainly think backflipping that drop is way bigger than a sui over a gap. Again I don't think the scoring was correct but it's easy for me to see why cam came out on top
  • 86 1
 I think its fairly obvious what I think...
  • 8 0
 What were you going to say if he won?
  • 67 0
 I'd be interested in finding out what happened with Riddle, dude seemed like he completely checked out and was not interested during his runs.
  • 18 0
 2nd run was safety run for sure
  • 4 10
flag misteraustin (Oct 13, 2023 at 12:11) (Below Threshold)
 Those eyes were looking a little spacey
  • 35 0
 His wife is about to have a baby, probably keeping it chill. Heard he wasn't around much during the week
  • 58 17
 The judges must absolutely hate Jaxson Riddle for some reason.

Kid has incredible style/fluidity, throws huge tricks, and he hasn't cracked 70 for the 2nd year in a row. He scored lower than Sorge this year who straight-aired every feature.
  • 30 0
 Same with Sorge ... seemed like he cruised down the first run and didn't even take a second.
  • 27 2
 My guess is that he knew he wasn't gonna put down a podium run to make real money, and he gets paid just to show up. So that's what he did; showed up, and put in the bare minimum of effort.

Seems like Sorge was in the same boat.
  • 17 5
 If I got criminally underscored on the first run like he was, I don't know why you'd give it your all on the second run (or do it at all TBH).

He's got so much style, I think he started the second with good intentions, didn't quite get the start he wanted then just phoned it in. He's constantly underscored.
  • 38 0
 @thetruejb: He did the easiest tricks on the easiest terrain. His biggest drop was like half the size of the big stuff out there. Style only goes so far...
  • 10 0
 @raybao: It was weird with him even leading up to the event. He got like zero media coverage.
  • 8 0
 @AidenMillsgF9: That is what was so puzzling. No bike check. Just a random photo here or there.
It was kind of funny hearing the announcers trying to be excited about his second run.

I almost feel like he was over the whole thing and didn't really care. His interview during the last practice seemed a bit checked out as well.
  • 8 0
 I think he’s pretty stoked on fishing ATM…
  • 6 13
flag yoobee (Oct 13, 2023 at 14:07) (Below Threshold)
 @toast2266: Absolutely agree. Even more - Riddle does not belong to Rampage. Not any rotation at all.
  • 8 5
 @raybao: I really like watching Jaxson's runs. I'm glad he didn't change it up this year and stayed true to his style, despite the incredibly low scores he always receives. Someday it's going to click.
  • 3 0
 @raybao: hes a local and comes and rides groomed slopestyle features......
  • 11 2
 @raybao: What huge tricks? A few whips? The same Indian air can twice and a superman in run one? The kid is talented and smooth, but I personally don’t get the hype with him.
He reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite, and every time I see him all I hear is, “You got like three feet of air that time.” Lol
  • 69 1
 Bredan got mugged this time. I know Cam is retiring but reall 95?
  • 17 0
 Their runs both should have been nearer to 90.
  • 65 1
 The scoring makes zero sense. They give brendog a gap of 10 points from someone who straight aired the entire run, then score riddle less than the entire straight air run. You have 1-100 for a reason, use it so you can gap riders runs appropriately. Then you throw TVS run at the top when he threw a caveman and a backflip? Semenuk did that same run last year with much more and scored less. Zinks run was legit, but was it 7-8+ points higher than the rest?! Helllll no. Boggs score don’t even change 1 point on the second? Was so clean..the judging and scoring made zero sense, poorly done.
  • 3 0
 Usually, yup.
  • 3 0
 Either they overscored the Caveman this year or robbed Semenuk last year. Apart from Bienve I can see continuity in the judging if they shifted weighting regarding amplitude/fluidity/style/tech/commitment. Balls to the wall often seemed to give higher scores than fidgetspinner tricks, which is a trend that I'd like to see more of in the future.
  • 2 0
 It sounded like in one of the instagram stories the judges weren’t stoked on how groomed the lookers right ridge was. Maybe riddles gaps were way smaller than sorge but it still doesn’t make sense if he rode faster but didn’t throw anything vs tricking. But sorge did have the chute up top.

Does that caveman just look to simple on camera? I thought Carson threw down a better run than Tom. The only thing Tom had over him was a caveman
  • 60 1
 Time for new judges, the we need more diverse judges than just Cam zincs mates.

Also Reed bogs got best build team? They aren't hiding the NA bias any more
  • 7 3
 I agree on the event judging! But Alan Mandel is as cool as they come. These guys have been humbly digging cool shit for years. They don't deserve any shade here.
  • 31 0
 @snomaster: Yeah Big Al is the man, stoked they got the prize, but the brits have killed it year after year with super different out of the box stuff, battleship, dwayne johnson, insanely dangerous canyon gaps, no podium, no prize for them, wouldn´t be surprised if they don't ever show up again.
  • 1 3
  • 1 0
 What is dig team even judged on? Reed had the same run as last year
  • 59 3
 I was watching live and the scoring of TVS first run took me out of it, stopped watching after that. I came back to try to catch Brendans second run and was super disappointed that he didn't take it. The way zink was scored, it's almost as if they judge on nostalgia now.
  • 62 5
The bravest (Brendog) and most memorable (Bienvenido) runs vs what? Oh, right, judges that can’t see quality for all their weepy-eyed nostalgia and bro-love for Zink. Pathetic.
  • 66 12
 Another fine example of This whole event needs change. A dude who hasn't been to a venue in years. With no line, pts in fresh one that is freaking gnarly. Does tricks on par with others and stuff he normally doesn't do. Looses to guy who literally doing an almost exact clone of what he's been doing for 10+ years on a line he basically has memorized to a t... Yeah the backy was huge. Not amazing or even clean by comp standards. been saying it for years now... Rampage need to change. Better venue, better judging, etc, etc... Brendog was most certainly robbed this year.... Nuff said!
  • 25 31
flag adamkat (Oct 13, 2023 at 15:34) (Below Threshold)
 Dude, I gotta say, I think you're way off man. Zink's back flip was unprecedented. Sure he's done similar flips before but never at that speed or that magnitude or that technicality (high-speed, flat take off, dirt-to-dirt, massive step-down). And regardless if he'd done it before, you can't snub someone just because they're consistently doing gnarly stuff. Federer didn't get his titles taken away because he was consistently doing the same things to beat people. They didn't call off Gretzky's goals if they looked too similar to previous ones he'd scored. Sorry you can't accept that someone has a bag of tricks and they reach into that bag to win competitions. And you want the judges to give someone bonus points just because they did a trick they haven't done before? If I had to guess, you probably one of the people whining on here after Emil wins his 3rd, 4th, 5th , xth slope comp in a row. Just enjoy greatness man. Brendog was unreal today, and his Sui no-hander over that canyon was bonkers. Zink was better. And that's ok.
  • 3 8
flag Bunabe (Oct 13, 2023 at 15:41) (Below Threshold)
 It's a huge step down backflip.... It's not a slopestyle competition.
  • 24 5
 @adamkat: You're out to lunch if you think the judging today was spot on... There is literally tens of thousands of people currently who are thinking the exact same thing on the judging. It was wack. Zink run was great... Definitely not worth one of the all time highest Rampage scores.... But I think you missing the whole point... Rampage has become stale in its current form. The riding is the exclusion. The event needs change from the top down... How are guys supposed to have a chance in well played out venue against guys who have been there multiple times? Riding the same line multiple times collectively? The advantages are heavily weighted to a certain group of riders.
  • 9 7
 @OlSkoolJake: I didn't say the judging was spot on, I do think there were a few weird scores for sure, but it was better than usual, IMO. I could be way off. I seem to be outnumbered here, so maybe I am. I just don't think people realize how crazy Zink's run was for some reason. Do people not like the guy? I remember lots of comments when the riders list came out for this, of people claiming him and Strait were washed up and needed to step aside for new blood. So maybe I've missed something and people do hate the guy lol

You're definitely right that it is far more difficult for new riders coming into existing venues, but I'm not sure what the answer is. The best events have occurred after the first year at a new venue. Those first years at new locations are always a dangerous, rush to the finish, where we often see more injuries and lesser riding. Not sure what the answer is.
  • 3 10
flag Bunabe (Oct 13, 2023 at 16:08) (Below Threshold)
 @OlSkoolJake: It's rather that there are plenty of people who've never thought about what is being judged at Rampage. If it was a slopesyle competition then Bienvenido would've won. And not saying if Semenuk should've won or not but if it was slopestyle Semenuk certainly would've won more than four. It's not about tricking every jump. It's also about amplitude, speed and flow. And Zink certainly had the biggest run.

How are new new NHL players having any chance against veterans? You are asking some dumb questions. It takes time and experience to learn and adjust to anything in life.
  • 4 1
 @OlSkoolJake: 10000 people who watched the same livestream which provides limited insight to how gnarly that stuff actually is. Maybe the judging is rigged, I don't know. But I can see from the content all week that the judges were around, looking at and measuring everything. Most of them rode the comp themselves back in the day. So it's fair to say that they maybe judge some stuff different than us viewers bc of things we miss on the broadcast. Shitty angles for example make gnarly shit seem mellow.
  • 52 0
 brendog got robbed again!!
  • 53 1
 We all know godziek had the winning run if he had not crashed…
  • 6 0
 Looked very promising. Hopefully he's alright
  • 8 0
 100%. I am guessing that he wanted to flip variation on canyon gap, than double backflip on the following jump.
  • 11 0
 His run was looking incredible. Battleship, lots of tricks, the gap. Gutted to not see it end. Hope he heals up and give it another go next year. Real legend.
  • 8 0
 We do but I bet the judges wouldn't have known.
  • 56 4
 How tf was that a 95?
  • 63 7
 Retirement prize. They used to give you a watch, now they give you a Rampage top spot.
  • 27 0
 @southoftheborder: Cam and Kyle - same trick every year - the big no hander and the big back flip. That's it. Everything else was meh. Truly a gift for Cam - Judges must have felt bad for him for not throwing down the 1st run.
  • 49 4
 I dont give a shit they fucked up big time, I am also fucking mad right now, p.s. Brendog deserves the podium
  • 67 26
 Once again rampage judges were brain dead. Thanks for ruining another event
  • 35 1
 Bender Probly took his Dab rig into judges tent
  • 1 20
flag HeatedRotor (Oct 13, 2023 at 14:15) (Below Threshold)
 do you understand the scoring system or just make brain dead comments?
  • 14 0
 @HeatedRotor: no one dose apparently. Majority seem to agree going by the polls and comments though. Explane how he got a 95 in great detail please?
  • 38 3
 Excellent riding from everyone and great to see no serious injuries. Judging was an absolute joke though. So biased they should be embarrassed. Think it's time for a change.
  • 5 0
 Yes, no big injures! Happy days!!
  • 38 3
 Rampage is a cool event. But it is just rigged at this point. How can the judging be this bad?! Feel bad for brendog and bienve.
  • 11 0
 @sonnyy sorry I accidentally pressed the thumbs down. Brendog was definitely robbed again. Didn't even win best dig team. They might not want to ever participate in this again.
  • 8 0
 @leannmetalhead: I don’t think they’re going to be complaining. Brendon’s and his teams vids have been essential viewing on the run up to rampage and everyone thought he won except the judges.
  • 35 5
 If I were in Cam Zink’s shoes, I’d give Brendog the trophy and tell him he deserves it, and let Bren take the trophy home for Phoebe’s 1st birthday present. But would he want that reminder again. IMO that’s the last run we’ll see from Brendan at a Rampage event. He’s not going to miss his daughter’s 2nd birthday to ride an event he clearly won’t win. I hope Brendan, Olly and Deaks have a proper good night out in Vegas en route home! There’ll be no vlogs of that!❤️
  • 30 1
 I was praying for Brendog NOT to do a second run...that was just way too gnarly!!! How does he even walk with balls that big! Disgusting judging...I mean, the man should have won! Bren Bien Zink for me!
  • 6 1
 I was scared he might tried to flip the canyon gap and then really put into trouble the judges...
  • 30 0
 The judges celebrating a run was a bit ott?
  • 36 0
 Not when its your mate who you clearly wanted to just get to the bottom so you can give him the win. Impressive, but a 95? No f*cking chance.
  • 4 13
flag OoflankeroO (Oct 13, 2023 at 15:31) (Below Threshold)
 @Hazab: I don't think you realize how monumental this flip was. The judges were happy to see him land the trick rather than see him being evacuated by helicopter...
  • 12 16
flag adamkat (Oct 13, 2023 at 15:42) (Below Threshold)
 @OoflankeroO: I think that flip is being crazy underestimated on here for some reason. It is the most difficult/consequential thing we saw today and I bet the riders would agree (Bienve's front flip is a close second). Did you see where he took off from and how fast he was going and how he had to cork it out to adjust the line so he didn't miss the relatively narrow landing 60' below him?

Brendog's run was sick, but the "battleship" aside from the obvious consequences was a relatively easy manoeuvre. The canyon gap no-hander was amazing as well. Deserving of a win on a lot of days. Today we were fortunate enough to witness about 5 win-worthy runs.
  • 14 0
 @adamkat: I think you are underestimating the battleship by saying it was easy. Out of all the riders that chose to drop in on a that side, only 2 people thought it was a good idea and everyone else said f that and everyone last year said the same. The landing to get in the battleship was super precise and the drop off it was gnarly as well. Looking at zinks drop in, everyone did that if they chose to go that way. Not taking away from it because it was gnarly but I saw a comment that you said anyone could do it and that wasn’t the case compared everyone doing zinks top line that dropped in there.

Looking at Brendogs other features, I think he had the best use of natural run ins that required a ton of skill, a canyon gap that was mind blowing and that step down backflip was super tech to look as clean as he made it look. Zinks backflip was insane but I just think brendogs run was more complete. I know we will disagree but brendogs run was more complete and one I will remember for years. Can’t say I can say the same about zinks outside of his backflip but both runs were quality runs.
  • 3 0
 @Cprobst: Fair enough. Good point about no one else doing the battleship beside Szymon. Maybe it is more difficult than I think for riders of that skill level. Also I think it just didn't fit into some of the runs going that way since they peeled off the ridge right near it.

Brendog's run was awesome, but between the backflip-can, long drop, long low canyon gap, huge step down back flip, 40' flat drop 360, and all the other stuff in between, I think Zink's just had more. Brendog definitely gets the creativity award from me though.
  • 2 0
 @Cprobst: If you want to debate... The first double drop of Cam Zink is as gnarly and exposed as the battle ship, but that part overall is way steeper and exposed, the flip drop is a way bigger moove than the suicide over the canyon (even if it's tech as hell), and he 3.6 a flat drop at the bottom vs a simple backflip. Moreover the flip nac from Zink is equal to the backflip step down from Brendog.

If you add the step down/step down to get to the ex-icon sender, it is a better run overall.

Probably 2nd or 3rd woul've been a better placement for Fairclough, but then again TVS and Storch had huge run.
  • 1 0
 @Vraiphil: sorry for the delay in response. I took the time to rewatch the lines and claws response. I will also say I watched this comp live in the hospital on an iPad and will fully admit my current chemo brain blended peoples runs together which isn’t always helpful haha! Claws response helped clear some things up but also left me with some contradictory thoughts I’ll touch on.

If we talk about the top, I think claw explained it well. Only thing I’ll point out is that he said if it was in the woods, it would not have been that gnarly. Reason I say that is for cams upper section and drops, if those were in the woods I think the same sort of reasoning applies as well. That said, I think the judges added the exposure element and judged it appropriately.

For cams step down backflip, I fully agree that was huge and deserved the praise. It was a new way to ride an already existing line and I think where I could offer any counter is that the landing was big and smooth. Also I will say takeoff run in the as fairly polished, but what counters both the points for me in a good way is the speed it required to go into it and the fact it was a flat takeoff. So that feature deserves all the praise. Moving to brendogs canyon gap, I think a big thing not to overlook is that riders were telling his team that they didn’t even think it was possible and that to me speaks volumes. Also, listening to claws explanation of the run in, the compression to jump the other riders line, the small lip takeoff, and the precise landing all factors into how big that feature was. What I didn’t fully agree with claw on is down playing just doing a sui over it and that taking away from it. So comparing these two, I can see or agree with zink being bigger but I think the judges may have been a little harsh on how they judges the canyon gap and the risk for getting that wrong should have ranked it higher.

For the other hits, cam has a much bigger bag of tricks and it showed. I think the natural roll into the step down backflip for brendog made that a super tech trick but can’t argue with what cam put down.

So here is just more of my opinion that may not hold much weight. Looking at cams line, it is a line he has done in past years, a line he knows well, and I think the tricks he was able to pull off shows just that and is what I would expect from him. Brendogs line was brand new, had to work around other peoples hold on lines, and was super natural and tech. Given I am more of a tech trail rider vs flow trail rider, brendogs run resonated more with me and felt more of a raw rampage line. So to cap off this long response, did cams run deserve a win - sure I can see it. Is it a run I would expect from someone who has ridden this line and features in the past - yes. Did brendogs run deserve the win - super debatable depending what you feel the soul of rampage is but I can see how cams run can be considered having more. Here is where I think we both agree to a point and it’s that brendog should have been on the podium and it was a shame he wasn’t. But watching interviews, he seems happy with his placement so I guess that is all that matters.
  • 29 1
 To really enjoy Rampage you have to ignore the scores. Except Simon every run was dope and all together a really good show.
  • 2 1
 You hit the nail on the head.
It's a fun event, and even if all the competitors would love to win one they all seem to have a great respect for each other and they probably know that the judging is a crap shoot, so who cares who wins (unless the rider has a contract with a sponsor that pays a bonus for winning).
Enjoy it for the awesome efforts of all the competitors, and don't let the judging ruin it for you. It's a great annual event.
  • 24 0
 What's frustrating is the prebuilt canyon gap has always been underscored in years past, yet today that line took out two people. So how backflipping into the run in then doing a 60ft front flip doesn't score higher blows my mind.

Anyway, all the riders are legends, no need for any hate. Hope Godziek is ok, did they give an injury update?
  • 8 0
 I just noticed he had posted a photo on his Instagram story with his crew a couple of hours ago, him looking remarkably normal just with what seems to be a splint on his arm, saying they're taking x-rays tomorrow. So weirdly enough, seems to be pretty much OK.
  • 29 1
 Brendog FTW
  • 26 0
 Brendog was robbed (just not quite as badly as normal)
  • 26 2
 Rampage sucks again! Brendog should have won. The judges allways gives higher votes for the Old School, non racer, freerider types
  • 23 1
 Worth noting when they were judging the lines before the runs yesterday.....should they not have marked up based on the fact that he had to cut a new line into rock and most of the others had to adjust pre-existing lines from last year when Brendog wasn't there. Craziest line I've seen at Rampage with the exposure jump at the top and brand new cut into Canyon gap. Really really poor judging and I'm not Brit tastic over here
  • 26 0
 Only run I had to watch standing up was Brendogs. That's Rampage for me.
  • 20 0
 Brendan rode the most exposed technical line and did it with unbelievable composure, the guy is an absolute legend. Robbed again and bored of saying it.
  • 16 0
 The event was amazing. But scoring? Brendog built his entire line and smashed it. Semenuk got 84 for his efforts last year and he and his team built his entire line, TVS an amazing run for sure but as good as Semenuks last year ...no. Way to go Zink for sure but in no way was it as good as Brendog. And Brendan's dig team pulled something outta the hat to make that run even possible...no mention of those dudes, surely ticking off a brand new sick as f line deserves credit.
  • 15 0
 I’d be interested to see if the judges would approve in sharing their grading system so that we can understand how they determined the results. If they have a variable point system based of personal opinions then in my opinion, (see what I did there) I don’t see how it can work in relation to the accuracy that each rider gives to their respective runs.

I don’t want this to come across as negative btw, but a bit of transparency is all that’s needed to resolve most problems (like apparent robbing in scoring)

Well done to all riders, irrespective on their results. Respect is owed to the few that have the courage to step forward.
  • 19 1
 TVS is the man but Brendog and Bienve killed it today
  • 16 1
 Love TVS but his run shouldn't have been in the top 5.
  • 23 9
 How is it that Riddle still is aloud to compete. I mean there are so many good and stylish riders that can do a decent job. Riddle obviously can't.
  • 16 1
 Brandog’s run was pure freeride. He got robbed so badly again. The judges are clearly biased towards NA riders.
  • 19 4
 judges are high af for ranking zinks run 6 pts. better than 2nd place...
  • 13 0
 Brendogs line was the run of a lifetime. Props to Oly and Deaks for helping make that dreamline happen. Forget the scores, that was the one. No need to do another.
  • 10 0
 When they interviewed the judges at the end of the comp, they were all super happy Zink won. The Claw, Watts, Bender, Spangler and Kyle Jamison. All North American former pros some who have close ties with Zink. (North of Nightfall). Is it safe to say out of all the riders that Zink had a closer personal connection to the judging group? You be the judge
  • 5 0
 And put up an Instagram post saying that they 'Nailed it' The MTB-Masons
  • 2 0
 Yeah Bent af.
  • 13 0
 I don't know who was robbed worse..... Brendog or Norbs !!
  • 13 0
 Answered Brendog for all of them. Did I do it right?
  • 9 0
 Idea for Rampage 2024, maybe it would be time to let the audience participate to score the rider, let’s say 50% of the score by the live audience via redbull tv app and 50% by judges. If audience score fir a given run can be voted all the way through the length of the event would further smooths things by being able to vote after seeing other runs!
  • 3 0
 Perfect. Just perfect. In a nutshell.
  • 12 0
 It's hard to pick when 2 people were robbed...
  • 12 0
 brendog got robbed
  • 9 0
 Despite the scoring, that was my favourite rampage to watch. Everyone throwing down, no serious injuries, second runs if needed. Super exciting
  • 5 0
 And no real wind issues too
  • 7 0
 did anyone else notice that Zink sent that backflip off like...the far left 3 inches of the take off? dang. But I enjoyed Brendon's run the most. That canyon gap is crazy. So is the battle ship, so narrow!
  • 9 1
 Brendog Bienve and Zink should have been the podium. Brendog should have ridden with an American flag jersey and put on cowboy boots and hat. Might help with those judges.
  • 9 0
 Cant remember the last time Ive aced a test.
  • 11 3
 brendog got robbed for sure but MAN! do the judges hate riddle or what that score on his first run was RIDICULOUS
  • 8 0
 Riddle's line was tiny compared to the others.
  • 7 0
 What are the scoring guidelines? Are there any? Most judged sports, like gymnastics, have actual guidelines. Curious if this event does? And if it does what are they?
  • 6 0
 Ok here's a take.... 2nd biggest highway robbery of the even is Olly Wilkins not winning the digger award by himself for standing on that cliff edge with a heavy pike for like 18 hours with no harness. What a madman
  • 1 0
 Was thinking the same thing. What is that award even judged on?
  • 1 0
 @DrM12: Not sure, I think the judges just walk around noticing stuff, probably watch some vlogs. Loved Bogg's line but not at all sure what about it would stand out from a building perspective
  • 15 10
 Cam with that insanely fast flip on that huge step down drop was well deserved.. The entrance to that alone was nuts. trying to scrub speed and then last minute just hard pull off the side edge of the take-off.. Just nuts.
  • 8 0
 Definitely a contender for best trick, but Bienve's front flip was also massive.
  • 5 1
 something is not congruent here.. if he had that score then the drop flip had to be half of it and then also he should have won best trick by far accordingly to judges criteria...
  • 2 1
 @PauRexs: Why does it have to be half of his score?
  • 4 1
 @adamkat: something had to push up that 95 score and at least that trick was half of the value of its run... or without the trick that was an 80 score at max... so it was a trick for the win
  • 5 1
 I can't believe that after all these years people still care about Rampage judging, it's always been a mess. You need to just enjoy the event for what it is, amazing riding and pushing the boundaries of what's possible.

In all seriousness, why don't they have a standard matrix for judging i.e certain tricks a set number of points, combos more etc? At least that way the judging is transparent and not so subjective
  • 3 0
 Or wait until the end of the first round an then score the runs against each other? It's got to be tough scoring the first five or so runs, and then judging everything else compared to them.
  • 4 0
 @scott-townes: were you there? have you like the judges....walked these lines? Or are you just like the so called fanboys you call many on here, commenting from your armchair like the rest of us? Yes Rampage was the best this year, from the conditions, the lines, less hanging around and great competion from all but like everything opinions are subjective and at times not all are correct , for many the judges didn't get it right , you have your opinion, just like others do ....doesn't that make you a ... Fan ....just like all the rest of us on pinkbike?
  • 4 0
 I think its time for the Rampage format to have a serious re-think. I say this because its an awesome event, and the riders and build teams seem to ensure that every year, despite all the other shenanigans. 100% spitballing here (hey it is just the PB forums) but some ideas:
-Judging criteria needs some work, for example explicit categories for exposure, control/fluidity, creativity, style, progression, amplitude etc/whatever could be nice to improve transparency
-The judges seem to mostly be north american freeride veterans, seemingly prone to bias considering some of the riders have a lot of history with the judges. Maybe try to include some younger, non-NA judges (that have also competed in rampage in the past)? Or add in a component, like 10-20% of the score is fans or the other competitors? Or honestly I love rider-judged events so that would also be fine by me
-Time is always of the essence when we're talking huge jumps in wind-prone areas (although this year we got pretty lucky). I think the live stream needs to come second to ensuring the riders have time to get their runs in before the wind kicks up. Pseudo-live coverage, judging only at the end after the riders have dropped, it seems like there are tools we can use here to improve this aspect
-Hard to ignore this one, I think adding in a womens category is a no-brainer, and having their runs a day before the mens event seems like a great option with relatively few downsides
  • 3 0
 I feel like judges should review the proposed lines before hand and then provide riders with a "difficulty rating" or something like that. That way riders could plan their runs aware of how high their base line is going to score them. I think a lot of the confusion for viewers with the scoring is around that. Having really charismatic tricks, moves and style on a run that is not as innovative or technical (comparatively...they are all insane) will have a cap to how high they can score. Personally I am a fan of that as it goes back to the original spirit of the event and pushes riders to ride things that ae wild- like some of the upper features ridden by TVS or Fairclough or Zinc (lots of nasty tech that people notice as much as the big moves).
  • 6 0
 This is the only way. IFSA freeride skiing judging system. Line score is used as a baseline to determine all other scores.
  • 3 0
 Brendog put on an epic show in Utah for sure. On top of that he shows up & rides local grassroots DH/enduro races chats to groms and is humble/fun with it. Can’t rate many riders higher in terms of the power to inspire young riders
  • 3 0
 @dwee: other riders could of pulled Brens gap...but they didn't... they chose smaller gaps with a smoother run in. Other riders could of done The battleship (only 1 did) Zinks backflip was huge but not knew...a trick on a smooth takeoff and landing, most riders had a backflip, most riders had a steep line, hardly makes Zink unique.
  • 6 2
 Best rampage ever. Super cool online drone photage. Not 100% sure about judgement (especially brendog and front flip man). Healing vibes to gee and other injured guys
  • 3 1
 From a slightly different perspective, Brendogs line was without a doubt the best on the hill, no contest. the exposure, the risk in itself was mind blowing. He put down some solid tricks but Rampage has evolved. as much as as i dislike the slopestyle "scene". theres no doubt that the judges have had to adjust to placate the scene kiddies.
If Brendog wants to take a W he needs to pull a bigger repertoire of tricks. Brendog is still the hero of the day for me though!
  • 2 0
 I used to give American Football guys some shit for watching 3 hours with 15 minutes action. I like Rampage but it’s not slopestyle as they don’t ride the same course and to tag on to that… Who else would have hit that canyon gap? Brendon likely should have had a second or third at least for that? I think if it was second run he’d have had a 3rd at least.
  • 3 0
 The judges have got to be more transparent about scoring. Are you scoring tricks over risk? If it’s on risk which is where the rampage ethos seemed to originate then get Brendog up the top
  • 2 0
 It'd be great to see some diversity in the judges booth... maybe they will then be a little less biased in future events. But, despite the scores, great rides all round, you're all gnarly as and I couldn't dream of doing what you do!
  • 3 1
 People forget that big mountain stuff outweighs tricks at this event. (as it should) I think Cam Zink was the correct winner (although a score of 95.0 was a but overkill here). He had big mountain stuff, combo trick, fluidity and speed. It was a no brainer. Brendog should have gotten 2nd in my opinion. He had all the bad ass stuff like Zink, but lacked a trick combo. Beinve should have been 3'd. But his run (although awesome), just wasn't as clean or as exposed as Zink or Brendon's.

That being said... I enjoyed this one. It had more big mountain, and less slopestyle this year. And that's a plus in my book.
  • 2 0
 Well, he might not have won, but Brendog is my new favorite rider! All those build videos of him and his crew.. how can you have that much fun while so obviously risking your life? All three of those guys deserve so much credit. I felt so incredibly stoked to see him clean that line! In the end, who cares about the scores. That was my favorite Rampage yet.
  • 2 0
 There were some awesome rides and the red bull coverage was pretty good. Better than previous years. Judging is clearly a tough job but yeah maybe some suggestions here about scoring all the first runs after everyone is down might work.
I think there would be a lot less criticism if Brendan and Benve got podiums which I think they deserved. Honestly their runs and Zinks were probably all worthy winners and you could argue til the cows come home about which was best. It’s subjective after all despite all the criteria.
I do think that giving 95 to zink was a mistake. Even if they say the score itself is not important it’s the ranking of the scores, it still doesn’t make sense. They could have scored him a point or two more than the previous leader with that logic. Then other riders waiting to go for a second run may have decided to go for it.
By the way it’s great to see hundreds of comments disagreeing with each other and barely anyone acting like a dick! Good vibes Keep it up .
  • 10 4
 Gee got robbed.
  • 6 5
 Ok having watched Brendan and Storche's runs I don't know why people are saying Brendan should've won. Brendan had a better feature line but Storch wasn't far behind with his line but just had a way better run in other areas. If Brendan's run was flowy and fast I could understand why people are saying it's the better rampage line but it wasn't even that. Bienvenido had the best slopestyle run but he was missing that flow and line selection. So I understand why he didn't win.
  • 4 1
 Why not give the lines a difficulty score like in diving and then multiply by the run score? Would give a bit more transparency.
  • 6 1
 Confused how TVS and Storch got 2 an 3. Very plain runs imo
  • 4 0
 I would love to be a able to select multiple answers to the "Who was over-scored" question.
  • 1 0
 LOVED brendog's line, should have been on the podium if not winning Bienve had mental tricks Zink also, flat drop flipping the iconic oakley sender szymon was possibly on a winning run as well throwing down heavy tricks. hope hes ok all in all for me rob the best rampage of the last few years, no injuries or wind disruptions
  • 1 0
 Hmmm must have been a tough choice with the other Bren not there.... I love the controversial he got robbed again but he actually did considering the cost to get there and dig. Looks a blast tho those Guys are heroes of the sporting world. Thanks fellas.
  • 1 0
 Next year when you think back at this event. Cam, Bien and Brendogs runs are the ones you are going to remember. Even now they're the only ones getting plastered all over social media. That should tell you all you need to know
  • 1 0
 Okay, I figured out what happened:

The judges meant to give Cam a score or 85, but they made a mistake and they couldn’t face having to admit it.

In all honesty, every single rider at Rampage is worth admiring, what a great show they put on for all us desk jockeys !
  • 1 0
 Emil was the one who was robbed this year. Both his runs, but especially his second run were fantastic. Yeah he crashed on the last jump, but he also tried a big trick on it when most other riders didn’t even try to ride all the way to the finish line.
  • 1 0
 I feel like not enough people are talking about Kyle Straight throwing down potentially the biggest suicide no hander in history. I think two-three big tricks should be the standard, and much more impressive than many x ups or smaller jumps with nac nac's, etc. I think straight airs on the biggest drops should also be normalized.
  • 1 0
 And here I thought the WSL had horrible judges, these Rampage judges definitely take the cake. I'm a Zink fan having met him and ridden with him when his company built our flow trail, but I think he was a bit overscored compared to Brendog's run. My thoughts: 1st: Brendog, 2nd: Zink, 3rd: Bienve.
  • 2 0
 Why did Brendog not go up again? Wish I had known that earlier in the event because that was a real anti-climax when I noticed he wasn't there.
  • 34 0
 I think there was no point - he was never going to add 10 points to his run. His run was also REALLY gnarly. Risk of death gnarly. Why risk it?
  • 3 0
 Because he död everything he wanted in his run. What could he add? Possibly a nohander in the last flip but that would be what 1 more point IF he did the rest of the run as smooth as his first run.

Or the short version: he didn't want to risk his life again after doing the line perfect the first time.
  • 5 0
  • 5 1
 Brendog is the clear winner looking at those results.
  • 5 5
 haven't watched the broadcast yet cause I was at the event. I also got to go up and see all the features on a guided tour and let me tell you..Zinks line was just fuggin insane. So steep and that icon sender with no wood is the gnarliest thing I’ve seen up close. Shit looks 50 feet out and who knows how far down. To backflip that is just stoopid. Zink won that shit and everyone there seemed cool with it.
  • 5 0
 BDogg Robbed
  • 4 0
 RedbullUSA on Brens Insta:

"More than earned the title"
  • 1 0
 Next Time, we should vote from RedBull TV and we could share 50/50 our vote with the judges.
It's not the first time the score and the winner was wrong. Time to change the rule!
  • 1 0
 Not perfect but judging was way better than previous rampages. Brendon’s run was the most “rampage” but it would just come down to preference cuz all podium runs were on par
  • 3 0
 Edit: wrote this before I looked at official results, thought brendog got 2nd, judging was absolute trash
  • 3 0
 What if…… they just assigned the score after everyone went.

That way they could compare apples to apples
  • 3 0
 Scoring was weird, comp was awesome. freeride is rad, thanks red bull rampage, and biggest thank you to the riders, legends.
  • 1 0
 @pinkbikeaudience: It would be really interesting if you could write an article from the judges perspective with all the scores for every rider, just to perhaps understand more why and how the scores where put together.
  • 7 5
 Jaxson Riddle has unreal style on a bike. Sooooo smooth and pleasing to watch, that was rad.
  • 8 7
 (1)Zink, (2)Brendog, (3)Bienve is how I saw it. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Including the judges apparently.
  • 1 1
 If only we weren't strong-armed into yet another subscription just to watch one event. I'm not paying for ESPN+ when I don't even watch any other sports other than cycling. ESPN doesn't even show cycling. dumb.
  • 1 0
 Can someone tell me which were the winning runs and which was the run that was supposed to win? Trying to watch the replay to see for myself.
  • 5 1
 Good ol' boys win again.
  • 4 2
 Kyle's second run was underscored. Brendog's was underscored. Benivie was underscored.. zink's second run was sick!
  • 2 0
 Who else appreciates the steeze of DJ Brandt. Very sick rider - proof: www.youtube.com/@djshreda26
  • 1 0
 Watched live. Brendog killed it. Glad to see we are all on the same page. Regardless of results this year was awesome. No wind delays!
  • 2 0
 The results of this pole say it all, i hope the judges see these results. you did a terrible job sirs.
  • 2 0
 All the top riders look like their wives came straight from the hockey wife factory
  • 1 0
 @scott-townes: interesting OPINIONS about an OPINION poll. And by the looks of it, people's opinion suggest you are a Muppet...
  • 2 0
 The judges were too busy hitting up Benders stash to pay any attention to the riding... Wink
  • 1 0
 Solution: score all the riders at the end of the competition so the judges don’t get their hands tied by over scoring. I think it may level the playing field out a bit.
  • 2 0
 It's like this same every year.... odd
  • 1 0
 Does anyone know when people in the US can actually watch the replay without ESPN+?? Would love to participate in the poll!
  • 3 1
 Bren got well and truly robbed. For real this time.
  • 2 0
 It would appear BrenDawg got robbed
  • 3 1
 So-Brendan Fairclough won.
  • 4 3
 Red bull were never going to let a monster ride win their body MTB event , it has become a closed boys club sham
  • 5 1
 @adamkat: Bruh Cam Zink is sponsored by Monster smh
  • 1 0
 My favorite part of rampage is how all of the dudes are genuinely good buds
  • 1 0
 Well, one of the one way ronnie trails had filled up like gluten free loam.
  • 9 11
 From the perspective of someone who's been at this exact location and walked around the terrain:

If you're taking the time to write out a comment and complain about the judging, I personally feel that is disrespectful to those on the podium. And to the judges who also work hard all week to scout out the terrain, watch practice, and analyze the lines. You really think you know better than them?

Not only that, the judges clearly communicate with the riders what the scoring system is. Complaining about judging really showcases one's lack of knowledge of what's really going on at this event. It's also proof that no videos will do this place justice. It's impossible to judge this event online because the difficulty of lines do not translate. Your online opinion means nothing.

Big love to all the riders out there today for pushing our sport to a whole new level! It was something special to see Cam Zink get more amplitude than we've ever seen before!
  • 2 0
 Next year the event will be call Red Bull "Robedge" 2024
  • 1 0
  • 2 3
 Nobody got robbed because the price money is a joke any ways. All these guys got paid to be there regardless. I paid zero attention to judging, enjoyed the riding, and now I’m not all pissed off typing rants about it.
  • 2 0
 They barely get enough to cover their expenses. Non local riders may well be out of pocket
  • 1 2
 @Inertiatic: how do you know this? Don’t you think sponsors do more than just provide free parts/ kit? The majority of riders make more off of Insta and YouTube clicks than any prize money redbull can manage to muster.
  • 3 0
 @Struggleteam: Olly Wilkins YouTube channel drivetime with Brendan Fairclough
  • 1 0
 Pink bike new who the winning vote was before posting this, hence the picture they used.
  • 2 0
 Cathro needs to record a "story of the rampage" for the people
  • 2 1
 The judges could have voted my mail 2 weeks ago. They didn’t need to be there.
  • 4 1
 Cam zink got robbed
  • 1 0
 If zink's flip was enough for such a high score, why didn't he win best trick?
  • 1 0
 The people could not be more accurate. Get rid of the judges and make it a peoples choice event.
  • 1 0
 Can't help but think these polls further perpetuate the hate that gets directed towards Rampage judging.
  • 1 0
 Who should be able to watch it live?
  • 3 2
 Rampage 2023 pink bike article count: 33. will fhey hit 50?
  • 2 0
 They can squeeze out a top runs video, a top tricks video, and one on judging I reckon
  • 5 0
 I mean- it is likely the most publicly recognized even in the freeride mountain bike world, one of the biggest events for mountain biking, unique, exciting, and with lots of interesting content associated for those who are interested. Covering it a bunch makes sense.
  • 1 3
 @losidan I think there was an insta post 2 weeks ago, that they were gonna tone down coverage in protest of rampage not having women.
  • 2 2
 I didn't even seen the racing, but I'm pretty sure Brendog was robbed as always.
  • 2 0
  • 1 1
 forgive my whiny complaint but every poll really needs a, "I don't know, just want to see the results" option
  • 1 0
 Why didn’t Brendog ride his 2nd run??
  • 4 1
 I’m guessing he said F that from the judges scoring in favor of slopestyle scoring over hard core freeride.
  • 3 1
 @wllmd: if Emil had won I’d agree with you, but Zinks run wasn’t slopestyle at all
  • 4 0
 Because he did everything perfect the first time. Why risk his life again when he had nothing that could give him a better score.
  • 3 2
 So biased towards zinc, brendog was the real winner,
  • 1 0
 Brendog deserves a podium
  • 2 1
 Age to difficulty ratio tho?
  • 1 0
 I told you...
  • 2 3
 Gotta love the PB peanut gallery
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