Richie Rude Announces Return to the EWS

Jun 22, 2019 at 10:15
by Ed Spratt  
Richie Rude is back There was no stopping him once the stage wins started piling up.

Yeti-Fox Factory Race Team rider Richie Rude has announced today on Instagram that he will be returning to the EWS after being under investigation by the French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD).

The case which we reported on back in November involved both Rude and Jared Graves when it was revealed that they both tested positive for the banned substances Higenamine and Oxilofrine at the third round of the EWS in France.

So far this year Rude has sat out of any major competition waiting for the final verdict from the AFLD and it appears today that they have served him an eight-month suspension, which he has has been able to serve retroactively because of his choice not to compete in the season so far. The suspension put forward by the AFLD will end on June 26 allowing Rude to enter into the fourth round of the EWS in Canazei, Italy.

bigquotes"Thank you to everyone who has had my back for the last 8 months, family, friends, and sponsors. I would not be here today if it weren’t for you guys!
You guys might be wondering, why am I thanking everyone? Well… I am super pumped to announce that I will be back racing in Italy for the next stop on the EWS calendar. Before I get back to racing I would like to fill everyone in on what has been going on in my world. Firstly, I would never do anything to harm this sport or jeopardize the result of another athlete or myself by cheating. Everyone works way too hard and a lot of sacrifices are made, I respect all my fellow competitors and love my fans and support system too much for that.
So, in case some of you weren’t up to speed… Last year I had a doping infraction while racing in France. This whole thing was a shock to me. All in all, it was accidental ingestion of the substance. I had run out of water and used someone else’s bottle as we climbed up to the start of another stage. Due to it being accidental and the French anti-doping authorities also seeing it in this light, my “suspension” was backdated to when I stopped racing last season, and now I am free to continue the sport that I love. I'm thankful to be moving on from this. I hope this brings awareness and stands as a learning experience to others.
Again, I want to say thank you to everyone who has stood by me and I look forward to seeing everyone at the races again soon!"
Richie Rude

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Good News Alert~ Thank you to everyone who has had my back for the last 8 months, family, friends, and sponsors. I would not be here today if it weren’t for you guys! You guys might be wondering, why am I thanking everyone? Well… I am super pumped to announce that I will be back racing in Italy for the next stop on the EWS calendar. Before I get back to racing I would like to fill everyone in on what has been going on in my world. Firstly, I would never do anything to harm this sport or jeopardize the result of another athlete or myself by cheating. Everyone works way too hard and a lot of sacrifices are made, I respect all my fellow competitors and love my fans and support system too much for that. So, in case some of you weren’t up to speed… Last year I had a doping infraction while racing in France. This whole thing was a shock to me. All in all it was accidental ingestion of the substance. I had run out of water and used someone else’s bottle as we climbed up to the start of another stage. Due to it being accidental and the French anti-doping authorities also seeing it in this light, my suspension was back dated to when I stopped racing last season, and now I am free continue the sport that I love. Im thankfully to be moving on from this. I hope this brings awareness and stands as a learning experience to others. Again, I want to say thank you to everyone who has stood by me and I look forward to seeing everyone at the races again soon! Scroll left for more -> @yeticycles @redbull @smithoptics @rynopower

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Alongside the post on Instagram Rude included a more official statement regarding the incident which we have included below.

Official Statement:

I am pleased to announce that I have been cleared to race in the remaining Enduro World Series races of 2019. My first race will be in Canazei, Italy, on June 29. I am also looking forward to competing in the Big Mountain Enduro series and other races on my original schedule. I would like to thank the Yeti-Fox Factory Race Team and my sponsors for supporting me throughout this process.

The French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD) recently ruled that I would serve an eight-month suspension for testing positive for trace amounts of banned substances oxilofrine and higenamine, on May 13, 2018, at EWS Round 3 in Montagnes du Caroux, France. My win from that race will be automatically vacated.

My other results and wins in 2018 at EWS Round 7 in Zona Zero, Spain, and Round 8 on Finale Ligure, Italy, will remain intact. My decision to refrain from racing until a ruling had been made by the AFLD allowed the suspension to be retroactively served starting Oct 26, 2018, and ending June 26, 2019.

With the AFLD process complete, I can now discuss the facts related to my case. I ran out of water after many hours in the saddle on Day 2 of the EWS Round 3 in Montagnes du Caroux, France. After climbing to the top of the stage, a fellow racer offered me a drink from a water bottle that was filled with a mix of water and dietary supplement. Fatigued and dehydrated, I took a few drinks from the bottle. We later determined that the bottle contained an over-the-counter supplement, which led to the unintentional ingestion of the banned substances for which I tested positive. I accept full responsibility for what happened in those late stages of day 2 and can only hope that this situation can serve as a learning moment for others, and that it helps to strengthen anti-doping testing and education throughout the sport.

Thanks again to my sponsors and all my fans. I can't wait to get back to racing!





529 Comments

  • 728 4
 This is a wake up call for all these manufacturers who aren't putting enough bosses for bottle holders on their frames. Look what can happen!
  • 78 0
 Now that's the spin I wanted to hear! We need water bottle mounts damnit!!!
  • 24 0
 @metaam Comment of the day. More water bottle bosses for everyone!
  • 11 5
 Best comment ever?
  • 7 0
 The below threshold comments on this are fucking epic.
  • 97 7
 call it a "Rude awakening" if you will... yet the mystery remains.... did he cheat? That's a secret he'll take to his Graves.
  • 10 0
 When your water bottle runs out, you're supposed to switch to beer...Richie!
  • 46 0
 “If the water bottle does not fit, you must acquit”!!
-Johnny Cochran
  • 24 8
 this is f*cked - didn’t Graves fail in the exact manner? He drank from the same bottle? Yeah, ok.
  • 7 4
 Absolutely. A big reason I went with the Fezzari La Sal is it has two bottle spots in the front triangle! Crazy how much it really does matter in races.
  • 3 0
 @jeppson57: I have the same bike. Didn’t buy it for that reason but have loved being able to go on long rides without a pack. Also, edit to my dumb comment above, seems like Graves fell on his sword. Surprised this got his suspension reduced.
  • 1 0
 Good dude time to get Rude , no funny business!
  • 7 5
 Make Bottle Holders Great Again
  • 29 4
 @powderturns: It was Jared's bottle that Richie drank from.
  • 2 0
 @Rucker10: *scrolls down to read!
  • 11 1
 "Do not try and bend the rules, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth...there are no rules. Then you'll see that it is not the rule that bends, it is only yourself."
  • 5 0
 @powderturns: From 160 to 140?
  • 3 0
 @JamesOliver: And it was Richie's bottle Jared drank from...
  • 4 4
 when DH bike were hip we didn't need water bottle mounts, we were too busy banging out laps.
  • 393 33
 Reminds me of that time I took a quick sip from a friend's water bottle and went on a steroid induced rampage where I single handedly over turned a cop car. Fortunately, the police realized that the sole reason for my actions was the quick sip of a friend's steroids that I accidentally ingested, so I just had to do 3 hours of community service.
  • 62 17
 Someone at Richie's pr firm was like:

"Man, we've done the tainted supplement defense SO many times. It's boring. Let's add a fun twist and throw another rider's water bottle in there!"
  • 24 4
 @toast2266 ...... and since you've chosen to serve that community service coincidentally from the moment you were caught, are you on the clear.. !?
  • 8 5
 Well said, we all drop a bollock now and then...
  • 66 6
 Bring back lance
  • 49 0
 Last two posts unfortunate to be seen together.
  • 6 1
 Rush "Witch Hunt"
  • 35 50
flag Flowcheckers (Jun 22, 2019 at 16:31) (Below Threshold)
 @WestwardHo: Drinking from another riders contaminated bottle is THE classic cycling doping excuse. Being sponsored by a company with a reputation for no contaminants puts everyone involved in an uncomfortable situation, seems like a way to salvage it. Despite any cheating in enduro, I still think the downhillers are keeping it real. Except Kate.
  • 7 1
 @Extra300L:The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill
  • 14 1
 His lawyer is a roadie
  • 23 0
 the real doper is still out there on the loose!
  • 2 0
 @jefftrancex1xtr: His layer is a fixieSmile
  • 330 8
 Ok,I'll try and clear a few things up, NO BS, just facts, hope it can help.

The supplemnet in question in this case is BPM labs "the one" which if you want to look it up. Now states Higenamine in the ingredients list, but in older versions, and in the tub in this case was listed as Nandina Domestica (fruit extract) and the oxilofrine component is still labelled as Synephrine HCL. Things get tricky when you type these ingredients into the WADA search and not a single result comes up, which tells you everything is OK. So we had to dive a bit deeper into finding out how these things got in our systems, and when we did, we found of that many ingredients have many different variations, and names, which is what has caught us out.
We also found out since learning the hard way, just how prevalent these ingredients are in off the shelf pre workout drinks, which is a bit scary when you first hand find out the consequences, and how unregulated products with these ingredients are. Even a teenager could walk in to a supplement store and buy this, no questions asked. I've also since learned that 1 in 5 off the shelf pre workout drinks (in Australia at least) have something banned in them.

Everything i've mentioned above had to be proven beyond doubt to the AFLD (french anti doping) theres no corruption, or loopholes, or lawyers spin put on it. Just facts and real consequences.

So i'll put my hand up all day long and say im guilty of negligence. MY mindset was that I'v never sought anything performance enhancing, and Ive never had an issues with the Dozens and Dozens of in and out of competition doping tests ive had, so all will be good. I git a bit too relaxed with the whole process, I never thought there was any chance I could ever be in this situation, yet here we are. A moment of Negligence yes, premeditated cheaters, hell NO!!!!

Maybe ask yourself, would you ever think you need to do extensive study and research, on every ingredient of every thing you ever put in your body?

Combine that with what I said above, and hopefully you get a clearer picture of how this very unfortunate situation has come to be.

Possibly the main reason i'm writing this is the amount of uneducated and downright false comments here. Some of you really should be a bit more careful with your wild assumptions and accusations. There are real people on the other side of this. Its obvious that many just want to be hateful and drag people down, and that's pretty sad. When road cycling and in Particular Lance Armstrongs name gets thrown in the ring, WOW, are you serious??? Consider the things iv'e mentioned, and maybe think again.

People all seem to think theres some kind of Magic pill out there, that will take them from weekend warrior to world class level podium guy. Nobody stops to think that maybe the 25+ hours a week spent training, in the gym, on the bike, not going out with your friends, 5am starts, the constant crahses, injuries and sacrifices, has a bit more to do with it. The work that goes in is simply incomprehendable to most, and it's what makes the difference. Everyone who trains and competes at that level understands that, Which I would say is the main reason no other pros have spoken up about this.

Mistakes were made, and we're both paying the biggest price for that. It's added more stress to my life, on an already extremely stressful time. So maybe take the time to consider both sides of the equation before spreading some uneducated hate, and misinformation.
  • 24 2
 Thanks for the clear description Jared, it's incredible how easy these ingrediants get into things (I found them in my own pre-workout), and no one would willingly risk their career on them. It's a bad situation, but at least the anti-doping agency leveled a fitting punishment for minor negligence.

Keep fighting the good fight!
  • 72 9
 This comment should be pinned to top of the page. Thanks for speaking up Jared, and hopefully some of the haters read this and pay careful attention before just tossing out blanket opinions and accusations
  • 14 3
 Thanks for your response.

You have been honest in admitting your naivety. I think it highlights in the quest to be at their peak physical form, people are willing to put things in their body they don't fully understand. The fitness industry seems to be built on a web of complete horseshit and people are treading the line between what is legal and what is not.

The question is, why bother? Our sport was born in the woods, not in a test tube, yet 'sports' drinks and kitchen sink supplement companies are pushing this stuff down our throat as a way to get better and faster. They have taken the sport from us and made it into something it's not.

We need to educate ourselves, but especially the future generation of riders, that this isn't the way and this isn't our sport. If people choose to get that close to the line for their performance where they have to question what is going inside them, then maybe riding about in the woods isn't for them.

Ryno power should be used as cat litter and nothing more.
  • 18 2
 Good on you for clarifying Jared Focus on yourself mate, and forget about the sad trolls on here. You owe them nothing. You have a big battle ahead of you, and you want strength and support in your corner, and that's important. And you will pull through this. Heal up brother, look forward to seeing you healthy and riding again asap.
  • 20 55
flag clink83 (Jun 23, 2019 at 18:03) (Below Threshold)
 Its super cool you commented on this thread, so I'll tell you why you why its hard to believe that athletes accidently ingested amphetamines and a beta 2 agonist. Do you really believe someone is going to believe that between the (snake oil) supplement company you are sponsored by or all the people in cycling that have a background in nutrition or exercise physiology that no one told you guys what the ingredients are in those things, that they have zero scientific backing at best and are often dangerous to you health at the worst, and that supplements when tested are contaminated with steroids, ED drugs, and all sorts of stuff regularly?
  • 20 59
flag omartrs (Jun 23, 2019 at 18:03) (Below Threshold)
 So I bit your excuse.

Searched on google "WADA higenamine" first link has it as prohibited. Searched "Synephrine WADA", first link has it as prohibited as oxilofrine (synephrine). Searched "Nandina Domestica WADA", first link is a scientific paper with higenamine and nandina domestica in the first sentence.


Either you are insulting our intelligence or you are quite challenged. By the way I don't follow EWS, but I do know who Richie Dude is, but your excuse is mind blowing. Don't you have some doctor in the team who can answer questions you have trouble researching for yourself?
  • 9 1
 Stay strong, sending healing vibes your way, and thanks for being the awesome racer and competitor you are.
  • 5 0
 re: BPM One... This youtuber is funny www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_Kif1RqK8 "Face burning feeling... the ants in the pants feeling....yeow!!". I can't tell if he likes it, hates it or is scared of it but, no way I would want to drink that - that culture is alien to me.

Jared - keep on the road to recovery. We want to see you healthy again.
  • 53 0
 @omartrs: Like i said, type directly into the WADA website search function (not google) nandina domestica and Synephrine HCL and see what comes up. Then come at me with your reply.
Typing those things into google later on, is how we came to know they were banned, nobody googles every ingredient on every thing they consume. Thats what the WADA site is meant to be for, and the site that is meant to be used to search for info on these things.

I'm not sure why my comments are so "mind blowing" nothing but the facts fella. I know people don't appreciate being bullshitted. If you don't like or accept what I wrote, thats up to you, just trying to give some honest answers to help people understand the situation a little better.
  • 43 1
 @clink83: there seems to be big misconception that professional MTB riders are surrounded by dozens of staff including nutritionists, masseuses, doctors, coaches, therspists etc.... But this could not be further from the truth. Im on arguably the largest/biggest budget team in the EWS, Yet apart from a team manager to take care of all the logistical things, and mechanics to keep the bikes running as well as possible, we are on our own.

At the end of the day, every rider is not too disimilar to the weekend warriors, we all go our seperate ways between races, train, and prepare, and try and be our best for the next race where the whole process starts again.

Even in the past working with coaches, nutritionists, and sport scientists (all of which was independantly funded off my own back might I add) none of them ever talked about things like this.
  • 9 6
 @jaredgraves: Jared I'm sorry you are going through all this on top of everything else. Heal up soon.
No one seems to realize Jared has competed at the top of a lot of different aspects of cycling. He's been around racing/competing for so long and has never had an issue. If anybody thinks an Olympian and World Champion never got drug tested then they are dillusional. To compare them to Lance Armstrong... Lance had doping allegations for years and years. He had a ton of his wins vacated, lost all of his sponsors and now might be able to get a free bike if he takes a few pictures for his Instagram of himself riding it. Richie and Jared didn't even lose their supplement sponsor over this. The only win that was vacated was the win from that event of the failed test and to think the French took an American racer like Richie at his word when the story of what happened came out is downright laughable.
  • 6 1
 Thanks for the honest facts. I believe this event can be described as accidental.
The scariest thing is that there can be many "workout drinks" that contains that kind of stuff without people knowing. Anyone can be controlled at races in France so we could all be concerned.
  • 6 17
flag mtb-scotland (Jun 24, 2019 at 3:17) (Below Threshold)
 Why did you not check these ingredients before? Seems a bit odd that such a professional team wouldn't investigate exactly what is in a drink given such strict rules concerning what you can and can't take.

reason enough not to bother with these stupid supplyments.
  • 38 1
 I'm speaking up as one of Jared's mechanics.
Some people have a wrong point of view how this whole process works. Athletes don't travel with a 5kg pack of supplements. So sometimes it's up to us mechanics/staff to provide athletes with everything they need. And sometimes you find yourself in a small ski town and your happy that you we're even able to find electrolytes or Bcaa's.
At this point we've been naive as well, because we didn't check all the ingredients. We're all learning from this and it's a wake-up call for us, to take it more serious and to not trust regular supplements.
I'm not taking any guilt away, but if you're calling Jared a cheater and villain, you've got it all very wrong.
  • 8 3
 Great response Jared, it's appreciated. Unfortunately people will fear the worst when they hear two of the biggest names in the sport fail a drugs test.

No one is claiming a 'magic pill', and we are all well aware it was a supplement that caused the breach, not something more extreme.

For me, the issue has been that the EWS have been very vocal about their hard line anti drug stance but then the first time they have a positive test, they go quiet then appear to back down. If they have given a lenient punishment due to the fact Richie only had minute, non performance affecting traces in his system (as you'd expect from a couple of mouthfuls of a drink) why haven't they released a statement to say this?

Obviously Richie wouldn't want to name you in his statement, but this only added to the perception that we weren't getting the full story as fans. I think the story should have come from EWS, not Richie. They should be providing the facts to fans and competitors, and then Richie and yourself can portray your side of the story after.

Was Richie banned, or did he just not race whilst the investigation was ongoing? If the positive test was in May, why didn't it come to light until after the season? How come Richies results stand?
  • 15 1
 Jared, thank you for taking the time to reply here to all of us. That is above and beyond. It's the PB comments section, after all. I mostly come for the often hilarious comments but this whole situation is no joking matter and you have kept it grounded and real. I'm really stoked to see RR race again and I hope to see you race again as soon as your health allows it. I work in health care and I know what your going through. Keep up the fight!
  • 8 1
 @jaredgraves: I've always followed road racing and XC, where I think that kind of thing is more common. It's probably why I'm also kind of jaded about doping, so let me be the first to apologise since I made a bunch of assumptions that appear to be wrong.

I had to take a bunch of nutrition classes for my degree, and one of big things they taught was that nutritional supplements aren't needed and due to Utah congressman, aren't regulated so to me it's shocking that people don't k ow.
  • 8 3
 @jaredgraves Mic Drop- you're the Man Jared- you're crushing cancer and you're crushing internet trolls. If you don't start your next race wearing a cape...well... let's just say opportunity missed. Stoked for you both to get back out there where you belong. You personally- stoked my interested in riding again- still today when ever I hit a heavy section at speed I mentally channel my "Inner Graves". You are the effing man.
  • 8 1
 @clink83: Props to you man, for being willing to take in someone's explanation in a calm, rational manner, and being willing to re-evaluate your stance on a topic if new light has been shed on it. This forum needs more of that. Skepticism is good, but I see a lot of knee jerk criticism on here from people who don't seem like their minds are open to any possibility other than the conclusion they initially jumped to.

Regarding supplements, it is pretty far out how Utah drives the regulatory situation in the USA. I go back and forth on the topic. I am generally in favor of letting well informed adults make their own decisions as to if they want to take a substance or not, but I am also frequently shocked at the level of ignorance in the general public regarding even basic concepts of nutrition. There is no easy answer. I lean toward regulations requiring full disclosure and purity testing of ingredients, but against regulations that ban something from sale, if it has the potential to be used relatively safely and responsibly.

As to what you were taught about "supplements" being unneeded, that is true from a nutritional perspective, if one has a well rounded diet. I am not sure that most people do, though. Certainly not @mikelevy (that is a Pinkbike joke in case you are unfamiliar with him). Even if you do have a good diet, I can imagine situations when one is traveling, while trying to engage in vigorous athletic pursuits, where it might not be possible to always have ready access to the most nutritious food. In that case, a protein supplement for after-workout recovery keeps you from having to chase down a restaurant where you can get a steak and then wait 30min while they cook it, or a multi-vitamin might be a good way to compensate for the crappy iceberg lettuce and unripe tomato salad that they serve you with the steak. Where the situation gets grayer is with the host of supplements that aren't basic nutrients but are derived from something you might eat, like say, turmeric extract, or green coffee bean extract. They certainly aren't "needed" for basic health but, taken at higher dosages than food would normally contain, they might have a desirable effect, and they are not banned by WADA (nor could they really be, as everyone who eats Indian food or tries a super light roast coffee might test positive).
  • 4 1
 Makes sense. Forget the vocal haters. There are a ton of us "non-PB-comment" folks out there, and we still support you!
  • 1 0
 Heal up dude, don't let the punters sap any energy. Look forward to you kicking ass next year.
  • 3 0
 The chemo drugs you've been given in the last few months can't even be imagined by the average PB reader.
Heal up, 99.9% are pulling for you.
  • 1 1
 @jaredgraves

First of all, thanks for chiming in.

I was baffled to read that you enduro guys were taking "supplements" in the first place. I don't want to denigrate the sport but we are talking enduro, not super extreme endurance event such as a 3 weeks stage race or ultracycling event. Surely you can spend 3 days on the bike and avoid suffering any anemia or dehydratation though a good diet and enough clear water intake ?

What is your take on that particular subject ? Will you continue taking supplements ? If yes what are the reasons ? health ? sponsorship ? performance? Do you think it is worth the hassle ?

Disclaimer: I am a former elite racer on the road so I used to spend hours trying to grasp in the wada forbidden drug lists (all was on paper at the time) if that simple generic medecine the doctor gave me was allowed or not.
  • 4 1
 I’m a big fan of Jared but I find some of his explanations odd. I am puzzled as to why these elite athletes who know that there are tens of thousands of ingredients out there that may cause them to fail a test if accidentally ingested would risk it all to take supplements? Why? Do drinking iffy supplements offer a massive benefit DURING THE RACE that outweighs the risk of popping due to a mislabeled banned ingredient? It just does not make sense. Why risk it all for a supplement unless it truly offered a significant enhancement in performamce?
  • 4 1
 That's a great explanation that seems entirely plausible. I wish Richie had said something similar. "Yup, I screwed up, but it was an honest and understandable mistake" sounds a lot better than some excuse about borrowing a water bottle. Maybe Richie's excuse is true, but it sure has a patina of bullshit encasing it.
  • 3 2
 keep your head up Jared! you are a true fighter and a true professional athlete. Don't let negative, uninformed people drag you down. Stay strong and keep shredding !! Healing vibes sent your way
  • 187 15
 Wtf. Who's water bottle was it. Where is that rider and is he/she suspended or banned?? Wheres the statement from the authorities?? And what about Graves?? Was it his bottle? Did he drink from the same contaminated bottle?

So many questions still left unanswered!
  • 28 30
 My thoughts exactly. Who's bottle was that?? But also, bloody scary that there are people out there that might give you a spiked bottle, just to get you caught.
  • 65 15
 @Trudeez. I agree it just doesn’t make sense......so many holes in that statement. He’s an experienced athlete and should know not to drink out of unknown sources.

If the water bottle fits you must convict
  • 216 17
 Smells like bullshit, looks like bullshit, probably is bullshit.
  • 71 7
 hint: There never was a bottle.
  • 85 5
 I bet Graves sacrificed himself and admitted it was his bottle, so the case was over for Richie ...
  • 36 9
 Haha yeah wtf this was such a dud of a statement. Dude, don't even try to explain how it happened. Say you don't know. Because if Rude is truly innocent of this, he wouldn't know. Deny, deny, deny. Good job "solving" this mystery. Now we all have even more questions when the issue would have been basically dead. So weird.
  • 21 3
 Pikebike should test this, get bunch of riders to drink some and see who fails.
  • 5 2
 @gbeaks33: i call bullshit as much as you, and don't belive in this whole thing, but if i was a rider and know what i take and had that "strange" event happen and get positive for dopping i would know it was that

that being said, it that was the case it would probably have been told right away, not now so that some believe in that and he has the image of innocent
  • 41 17
 Was the accidental sip also responsible for the 30lbs of muscle he put on? Tbh i truly dont care if athletes use drugs. I just don’t like soft excuses/lies.
  • 28 6
 Pinkbike posters are to blame here. Their incessant push for frame space for bottle cages created the toxic environment where riders promiscuously share beverages. Respect the lesson kids, stay clean #hydropacksForLife
  • 14 12
 One would think with Yeti Factory money they'd do a better job of making sure their top level athletes don't run out of water... wtf
  • 8 1
 @CarlMega: #hydropacksaintdead
  • 11 2
 It was Graves water bottle
  • 2 3
 @mitochris: it's not a real fear, no f*cking way anyone did that.
  • 3 2
 @it sound like ‘mom, i took only one sip’, that was not me, my classmates did so, i was only watching, etc
  • 3 2
 @DGWW: I was being sarcastic. It’s the excuse Ben Johnson (I think) had that someone wanted him to get caught.
  • 8 4
 He shoulda just manned up and admitted it
  • 1 3
 @sevensixtwo: well put
  • 14 1
 @JamesOliver: i think they were both on it and jared given is condition choose to sacrifice himself for rude
  • 3 0
 @tiagomano: just coincidence but a few rynoPower athletes have been pulled on doping over the years. Don’t think they even do 3rd party testing, unless it’s changed.
  • 2 0
 @enduroFactory: it is possible , but they have many MX and WC DH guys on it, so i feel that if it was the product someone else would have get caught at the same time
  • 16 16
 We’ll never find out who the water belonged to because if there was even a water bottle involved, it belonged to Richie Rude. The fact the AFLD is not investigating another rider and has issued no further suspensions clearly demonstrates that the water bottle tale is bullshit. Furthermore, this water bottle theory for ingested higenamine really doesn’t make much sense because although it is a beta2-agonist, it really doesn’t have any of the classic effects of beta2-agonists when ingested orally. Ingested orally it is used primarily as weight loss supplement and all the research I’ve found shows its biggest effect orally is an increase in heart rate. Ingested in aerosol form is where you’d receive the classic b2-agonist effects of dilation in the lungs and improved oxygenated ability.

Athletes previously under suspension or ban have successfully fought the charges based on a defence where they did not knowingly take the substance found in their body and they went through reasonable steps to not ingest banned substances. The fact that he willingly left the season and simply accepted this suspension is very telling.
  • 19 16
 @SpecializedFTW:
Your clueless. He was tested after all 3 of his season wins as well and he was clean the other 2 races. He was popped during the French race and he sat out knowing regardless of how or why he tested positive it would incur a minimum ban from the last retroactive to the last race he competed in which was Finale which he also won.

And to say that he a cheat and a proven cheat would be speculation by you or anyone else since he’s been subjected to testing all these past years and never had a positive considering all his victories which incur mandatory testing. Sadly enough the one race where he did suffer and need water from a fellow racer he tested positive from the shared bottle which isn’t far fetched if you use your brain and realize how it happened. Again he’s won in excess of 10 EWS races in his career which all incurred mandatory drug testing
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flag SpecializedFTW (Jun 23, 2019 at 9:13) (Below Threshold)
 @skinnybex: It’s not speculation that he is a cheat. It is a fact that he is a cheat because he has been convicted of doping. Full stop. His PR statements do not change the fact that he has been found to have violated the rules (cheating). He does not dispute the fact that he had a banned substance in his system and he obviously failed to provide any sort of acceptable alternate explanation to AFLD seeing as they did suspend him. This latest PR story is incredibly far fetched when you consider what the substances are (higenamine is a beta2-agonist that acts as a weight loss supplement when ingested orally and a classic beta2-agonist when ingested as an aerosol and oxilofrine is a banned amphetamine) and you consider that he actually received a suspension even though there is immense precedent for athletes not being convicted of doping if they can demonstrate that they innocently ingested a banned substance and did their due diligence to prevent such an ingestion. The fact that Rude got a suspension indicates that is not the case. And it is extremely unlikely to have substantial quantities from either in your system to be considered a positive test after a couple sips at a race.
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 @SpecializedFTW:
Looking forward to his return and when he wins 2-3 races this season and passes all the drug tests as a clean athlete just like he had always been prior to the Jared Graves water bottle incident. And this isn’t even remotely comparable to almost every other cycling doping case that’s been handed down which is why the minimum 8 month ban was given by one of the most hardline agency’s in the world AFLD
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flag SpecializedFTW (Jun 23, 2019 at 9:36) (Below Threshold)
 @skinnybex: So we’re both in agreement that he’s a proven cheat then? Excellent.
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 @skinnybex: how do you know he was tested? As far as i know from people that race and what i read it was the first time they tested .
And it was also one of the reasons the ews joined forces with the uci
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 @SpecializedFTW: The word "cheating" generally denotes some sort of intent. You can be guilty of an anti-doping infraction without intending to dope or cheat, due to the principle of "Strict Liability", which says that the athlete is responsible for what is in their body, regardless of how it got there. Full Stop. It is for that reason that a lot of pro road riders did not want to race the Tour of Beijing, as they were concerned about trace contamination in the food supply triggering a positive. There were several riders who got doping positives right after racing in China, so their fears seemed to be well founded.

When you say there is a "immense precedent for athletes not being convicted of doping if they can demonstrate that they innocently ingested a banned substance", what cases are you talking about? Are they in cycling, or other sports, that generally take a more lenient attitude to doping altogether? None are jumping to my mind. On the other hand, I can think of cases of cyclists who got doping positives and spent many thousands of dollars sending their supplements out for lab testing, only to still end up with a 2yr ban, despite a substantial likelihood that it was supplement contamination, again due to "Strict Liability". Look up Tom Zirbel. I think you have an unrealistic idea of how easy it is to prove supplement contamination.

Regarding the substances in question, if you have been following this case, you will have seen there is photographic evidence that Richie's friend, and former EWS champ, Jared Graves, was taking a "preworkout" supplement containing these substances a few years ago. Jared is very into weight training, and several people have also attested to the popularity of stimulant laden "preworkout" mixes in his home country of Australia. If you have ever looked at the ingredients list of one of those mixes, you will see they are "kitchen sink" type supplements with a long list of ingredients, with the manufacturer typically hoping if they throw everything they have in there, hopefully some of it works, or at least gives the user a sensation that makes them think its working. End users are not typically reviewing each ingredient and questioning if it offers value for their specific use case, they instead are viewing the product as more of a collective, and if the package says that it "Amps up your workout" or "Turns your workout up to 11" or whatever, that is how they'll evaluate it. Those products are often marketed to people looking to get ripped/shredded, so it isn't surprising they'd add a weight loss supplement to the mix.

Lastly, Richie may have been able to establish that he didn't intend to ingest the supplement, and that might be why he only got a 8mo ban, not a 2yr one. As I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
1. He took a sip of Jared's bottle, not knowing what was in the supplement mix
2. He mixed his own bottle, using the same mix we know Jared uses
On top of either of those scenarios, there is the question of if he knew the nature of the mix. In scenario 1, he would have had no access to the ingredients list, whereas in scenario 2, he would have, and due diligence would suggest he should have cross referenced it with the banned list. It would only be if he cross referenced it, saw it was banned, and still took it that I'd consider him a cheater, otherwise he just ranges from unfortunate to negligent or lazy, not a deliberate cheat.
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 @thekaiser: These guys weigh their food intake; don’t think they’re ignorant about anything that goes into their bodies.
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 @thekaiser: nailed it.
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 @sevensixtwo: never met anyone who actually does that...
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 @sevensixtwo: @jaredgraves 'tracking macros' is very common. I know a few and yes they are EWS athletes. .
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 @thekaiser: I follow doping control and sports law quite closely. Doping control isn’t just an organization with a hammer that only sees nails. Each and every adverse finding results in an investigation. During the course of that investigation the athlete gets to plead their case. The supplement defence and the water bottle defence are ridiculously common. Often times it is not accepted for various reasons but two of the major ones are that the athlete refuses to identify which bottle it came from or the athlete has an adverse finding at a level that could not be achieved through tainted ingestion. Richie Rude could easily appeal his suspension further if he is truly innocent. He has not. He has admitted full guilt here. Furthermore, he didn’t even wait for the findings to admit guilt, he chose to serve a suspension before hand. Do innocent people voluntarily remove themselves from competition? Additionally, as he has argued, it was only a trace amount of the two banned substances that were found, why was his win vacated? Doping control does not vacate wins based on trace samples. They vacate results when they have substantial evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, that doping has occurred. Further to the issue of reasonable doubt, it is odd that Rude wants the fans to believe a tale which the AFLD, who has immensely more facts than us, did not believe. The AFLD believed, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Rude knowingly or negligently doped in contravention of the rules. Yet here we are presented with this PR sob story that he didn’t knowingly ingest anything and implies that he didn’t act negligently to ensure he did not ingest banned substances. This PR story doesn’t mesh with the fact that the AFLD issued a suspension.

I quite frankly don’t really care what Jared is doing for supplements. As an athlete, you know the rules. You know that you are entirely responsible for what you willingly put into your body. If you want to take shitty supplements that aren’t tested properly that is your prerogative and if you get caught for doping you ought to face the the consequences. Professional athletes aren’t regular end users. Closely monitoring what you put into your body is something that you accept when you become a professional athlete and become bound by anti-doping rules.

If Rude wants to be believed, perhaps he should release the adverse analysis report so we can see for ourselves whether it was actually “trace amounts”. That’d certainly settle this very quickly.
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 @SpecializedFTW: blahblahblahblahblah....I read a lot of conjecture in your response, compared to a lot of facts put forth in DT’s and skinnybex’s among others ...rude has done his time, I believe Jared, and the French doping panel that handed out a relatively minor eight month ban. Case closed. Let’s see how RR does now....
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 @phclaw: Seconded. It doesn’t matter what happened now. The suspension is over. Let’s move forward. And see exactly how big of a beating Maes-dog gives the Rude dude at the next round!
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 @JamesOliver: Cheers for that.
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 @emf: I unfortunately agree
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 @richard01: funny thing, most people posting on here would probably fail a WADA piss test... If only for over the counter stuff they have bought...
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 @lumpy873: I guess it’s a good thing most people here aren’t athletes subject to WADA rules.

Athletes can bitch and moan about having to follow WADA rules all they want but at the end of the day it is the athlete, not anyone else, who decided they want to be a professional athlete and will be subject to WADA rules. If you don’t want to follow WADA rules or you find them too arduous to follow, it is a rather simple solution: stop competing.
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 @SpecializedFTW: nailed it. They both had AAFs. Advanced Analytical Findings. This is what Froome had with his 2000mg+ of his Sabutamol and he kelt his Vuelta win. If the French Doping Authority had believed the accidental indigestion story Rude would have kept his win and there would have been no 8 month ban. The ‘accidential indigestion’ of a stimulant (oxy) has been used in Track and Field since the 80’s.
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 @SpecializedFTW: what's a guy supposed to do if an ingredient doesn't show up on the WADA website like Jared said? Or, if something listed as a different name for a different ingredient? These guys aren't making the kind of money that allows them to have a lab test everything...
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 @lumpy873: agreed, I'm still curious of what a clean person needs to do to fail.
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 @lumpy873: Those are the unfortunate facts of competing as a professional athlete. It is no ones duty but your own to ensure you are in compliance with anti-doping regulations. Do you not find it odd how this line of argument about complying with anti-doping is rarely, if ever, trotted out by those who do not get adverse findings but almost always comes out from people who get caught with something in their system they shouldn’t? There are thousands upon thousands of professional athletes in the world many of whom are required to comply with WADA rules. The vast majority of those athletes have no issue complying with WADA rules year after year. Yet because two people got caught doping and have been extremely vocal about the fact that they got “tainted supplements” we are to believe that the WADA rules are “too hard to follow”?
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 @SpecializedFTW: I don't think the rules are too hard to follow, but there's a lot of inconsistencies and incomplete information for these riders to make proper decisions. But, I'm surprised to see this resolved in such a quick time frame compared to guys like Cade Clausen and Broc Tickle on the moto side of things..

At the end of the day, if the riders can't get proper information from the people administrating the tests or on the labels, what should they do?
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 I have to say I'm a bit (very) disappointed in the levels of negativity and slanderous accusations people are throwing out here with no proof. For one the French doping agency and UCI are not simply going to take someone on their word and roll over. Said rider would have to prove all the above claims, and even then they still dish out an 8 month suspension. For everyone wanting to know the other rider involved, he technically can not name then due to confidentiality requirements of doing investigations, but it was public knowledge long ago who the other rider was that tested positive for the same things, is a former teammate and friend... My assumption (as I don't know any other facts) is that this rider would have to admit to having these suplaments in their bottle, and/or had their suplaments tested to see if it was listed or hidden, etc. Either way that riders case is separate from Richie's... As for sharing bottles, good etc it happens all the time. And not at all unrealistic that friends would give a riders their water if they were fighting for the win on last stage. It's no different then when you see they riders all helping each other fix flats and mechanicals. The nature of Enduro and especially the race in Olargues is that riders have each other's backs... Is it so far fetched that Richie's good friend would offer up an extra bottle? This kid of things happens all the time. If that riders bottle was tainted and they admitted it or was found true through testing then the idea of an accidental ingestion by another racer is believable... But like I stated, that other riders case is separate and leagally Richie can not give details. I'd like to see people get off the bandwagon of blacker hatred and accustations and respect the process. The doping agencies do not F**k around and they don't let people off unless there is an abundance of proof... So let's not be dicks here and let's try and believe that the proper authorities have done their due diligence and the truth is what has been presented... Welcome back Richie, please try to ignore the haters.
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 So no smoke without fire OR a... smoke machine?
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 it happens all the time...is that a friendly ride on the mountains? Those guys who carefully wear their goggles and all of their sponsored staff in every chance they have to, in order to promote them.those guys that are binded by contracts ...and they have at least ten other guys to support them regarding training,eating,travelling etc...it never occured to them not to drink from others' bottles....

there is no negativity in here.we are a bunch of dudes asking not to underestimate our IQ.

thank god he didn't try to get the poison from a dopped guy that got bitten buy a snake...
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 Got busted, had the chance to man up, blew it, tries the weasel-out-it narrative, losing lots of reputation in the process of putting a spin on it. Everybody gets the fans they deserve...
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 @davetrumpmore:

As in the X-Files: I want to believe.

1. But you have to understand that after Lance (and a zillion others) we are a bit fed up with this shit.

2. It would have been easier if first the bottle owner would fess up and said: “I am guilty” (a word you almost never hear in any siping case) and then Richie came up with above story.

3. EWS always being hardliners against doping and now not so much.

Understand that people maybe aren’t nailing RR to the cross but the fact that the pipe dream (no pun intended) of the ‘spirit of enduro’ is down the drain. RR is the lightning rod in this.
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 @davetrumpore - Another thing I find funny about these reactions is they act like he was caught doing EPO and steroids. It's pre-workout stuff. It's still illegal but acting like it's a Lance Armstrong case is ridiculous. Richie worked really hard to get where he is today, and he didn't get there by using pre-workout.
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 @kusanagi72: is the other owner of the bottle actually a mystery to you? This should be really really really easy to figure out given how much info was in the public sphere about in months ago...
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 Can't upvote the above from Dave Trumpore enough.

What happened to serving your sentence and then get a chance to be back in society? I thought that was how we built our societies? Innocent until proven guilty and once you have served your sentence you get to start over. How is this different?
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 @davetrumpore:

Don’t start calling me stupid too mate.
Read what I say. Did someone fess up and utter the words: I am guilty.

I didn’t hear it.

Maybe JG is still in his own legal battle, and maybe therefore can’t come forward yet. But it just doesn’t help here.

We are just fed up with this whole ‘not accountable’ thing. In sports, politics, industries.
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 @kusanagi72: Comparing him to Lance? Really?
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 @amonas: You are vastly overestimating the level of support and organization riders have once they leave the pit/base area and are out on course. Fellow competitors are pretty much their only support between stages.
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 @kusanagi72: He was running illegal sipes too?! Where will the treachery end?

(Sorry)
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 @boozed: Bloody autocorrect... Doping... not siping
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 @BenM11: Don't think I did? What I did was I compare his :story: to all the stories we have heard before, not his actions. This as an explainer to @davetrumpore question why people are reacting as they do.

Funny thing is, I didn't even respond in any way in the comments at all before Dave came along. I only try to explain why I think people are reacting as they do.

I do understand there are many shades of grey, so try not to judge RR or JG for their action (although it is difficult not to judge, I admit) , only try to explain why they are now 'singled out' by the PB masses
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 @kusanagi72: I'm sorry, did "I accept full responsibility for what happened" not count as taking responsibility? Or do you actually want him to come out and say "I intentionally drugged myself on steroids to cheat and win" so that you can justifiably tar and feather him with guilt?

People on here love to see someone fall, however knowing one of the substances he likely took (Alphamine) and how readily available it is in Australia to athletes, and considering a) it was only added to the WADA list recently, and b) it has multiple formulas some of which contain the banned substance and some don't, is it really that hard to imagine that he got caught out borrowing an Australian athletes drink?

Richie was always built like a tank, and the he's one of the nicest athletes I've met, so I don't think he'd risk using a banned substance to gain an absolutely minor advantage.
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 What did you expect? A jacked rider comes out with what sounds like a highly implausible story in a sport that has seen it all before. Even if it is true, do you really think people are going to believe it?

The most likely thing to me is both Graves and Rude are equally "guilty", and their supplements program has got them into this mess. Whether they fully realised what they were taking is the grey area. Can seem them being naive/negligent, rather than evil dopers. Then Graves ... who unfortunately has other things that are way more important to worry about and no chance of racing anyway ... takes the fall by himself so Rude can use this bottle story and get back to racing
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 @BigAlfonz: That... sounds most likely.
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flag davetrumpore Plus (Jun 22, 2019 at 18:49) (Below Threshold)
 @kusanagi72: read what I said... Who called ya stupid "mate"
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 @davetrumpore
Totally agree: I'm gonna add a couple facts
1. There is a picture of Graves on VitalMTB organizing his supplements where he has amongst them a can which apparently has the traced element, but it is not on it's label.
2. This product does not sponsor him nor Richie, their actual sponsor in Ryno which gave a great interview explaining and defending themselves. @BigAlfonz
3. Dude, an EWS race covers huge distances (100km in Corral!) and there are many many restrictions for recieving supplies, there is NOT 10 guys running behind them with backbacks full of shit. @amonas I've several time seen pro's help dehydrated/mispaced competitors at races get to the next stage/ refuel point.
4. There are EWS highlight videos showing Graves being given water by Jerome, Maes fixing Hill's wheel, Keene giving Graves parts, etc. To think this kind of things does not regularly occur is just plain lack of information...
5. Graves has no f*cking reason to cheat. The dude's been tested a zillion times in every discipline there is, he won in EVERY discipline he competed, to think that he'd really need/want that at this stage is ridiculous. Even if he wanted too, he knew that by doing that he was risking much more than just an ews ban, his entire career was on the scale. The idea that this was not a mistake is just utter misunderstanding.
6. To think that we mortals of MTB know better that Dave, Jared, RR, or any of their teams and sponsors who are dedicated to this is just plain stupid.
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 Dave professional cyclists have cheated so much and so often that the public is understandably skeptical. That's not the public's fault it's the ranks of professional cyclists that have shat the bed so often that nobody believes a word they say when it comes to doping. Saying this time was accidental or an false positive has been the PR line of so many dopers that you can't say it again and expect anyone to believe you. So if you feel mad about this sorry state of affairs I get it. We are mad as well. But, the fault doesn't lie with us. We didn't cheat to win time and time and time again.
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 @amonas. don’t underestimate your IQ? The truth of this matter is not something you can determine with your ‘IQ’. That’s just you saying you know better than the doping agencies with specialised knowledge who conducted a thorough investigation, using very specific information, because your IQ makes you the best at guessing.
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 @JaToledo: OK, points taken on number 1 and 2. But why would Graves be taking this (and offering to others) during a race instead of just water and gatorade/electrolytes? And would a few sips of some watered down weirdo drink/supplement send someone over the threshold for a positive test? Maybe it would, but again this is something people would find questionable.
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 @BigAlfonz: I'm not a huge expert so don't take my word for gospel. There is more to riding your bike hard for some hours than rehydration. There is re-absorption, broken-down fiber, fatigue, built up acid, etc. Therefore the pros' are putting more than commercial gatorade in a bottle I believe...
And yes, just think that the world health organization recomends driking water to have less than 600 molecules per million to be safe. A good detection method can detect 2-3 particles per million easily. at the university I go to the chemistry labs have detected water with 1 part per million, and similar measuring methods are used in forensics (bodies). Measuring trace amounts of a substance in fluids is not difficult or too expensive with today's tech. I remeber amongst some interviews' and reports somewhere the concentration measured was given. Richie was also tested right after the race, so that first piss had the biggest concentration of trace possible.
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flag Robertoregency (Jun 22, 2019 at 21:23) (Below Threshold)
 Bullshit! RR excuse makes him look like the douchebag that he is! What a fucking joke!
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 @JaToledo: People also should remember that Rude planned to race some DH and try to get into Worlds before his form went off and he focused on getting back to the top in Enduro... his long term plan definitely included some UCI tests which he already knows how to deal with.
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 @carljamespatton: the role of IQ refers to the "bottle" excuse and not to the doping agencies and their knowledge about the matter.no need to twist things in your liking.
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 @jzPV: That's a fantastic point! Add that JG frequently does XC nationals in Australia, and other UCI sanctioned events, and the picture becomes clear...
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 I totally agree with DT
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 @wildedge586...pfffft, whatever...thats one helluva high horse you ride there....
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 * Supplements
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 imo he could come up with any story and the reaction here would be the same.
Seems like lots of people here have written him off as a cheater and thats it.
We will see the same BS once he is back on the podium.

I don‘t think he took anything on purpose very well knowing being tested frequently.

Hang in there Richie!
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 You'd have to question why a good friend would give you a bottle to drink from if they knew to contain a banned substance.
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flag ilovedust (Jun 23, 2019 at 2:11) (Below Threshold)
 Sorry Dave Trumpore. I whole heartedly disagree. You can only prove what you can prove. Many guilty people go to court and get off even though we all know it was them. Thats why good lawyers cost so much money. If the bottle was tainted and the other person admitted they had effectivly spiked/poisoned him, then he would never have had an issue because, whilst still offending technically, he had no mens rea or ‘intent’. Then the investigating body would say that-which they have not. Also, quantities from the sip of a water bottle would be utterly minute and that would detectable too.
This whole story is so comical, it should have its own mini series.
In life, it pays to remember that “IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, SOUNDS LIKE A DUCK, THEN IT PROBABLY IS A DUCK”.
Its nothing to do with serving your time, its the reputational damage to the sport. Life time bans are the only solution.
Oh and there is no difference between this and Lance. Dopping is dopping however you do it.
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 Anybody who claims Rude or Graves had no incentive to cheat is being naive way beyond fan boy status. Its not comfortable to acknowledge they are both obvious cheats and I understand that Rude has put himself in an uncomfortable situation where he felt like he had to lie cause of his Rhyno deal, but these guys are both obvious cheaters and the water bottle excuse is complete BS. Get a clue. But the loyal uncritical fan boys have simply gotta be a loyal fan boys, just like haters gonna be haters.
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 @JaToledo: on point!
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 Well said Sir.
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 Disappointed? That's a strange choice of words...
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 Sorry that was for Dave Trumpore...It just rubbed me the wrong way that a stranger might possibly"disappointed" In me...
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 So Richie just basically threw his mate under the bus! His mate who isn't going to be racing anytime soon and wouldn't have any real penalty from any suspension because of his unfortunate situation. There are two thing that will satisfy the PB hordes;

1. What was the amount of supplement in his sample. That should give a good indication if it was a accidental in gestation or an ongoing one. I'm sure they can tell the difference between long term use or accidental.

2. How many times was RUDE tested and provided negative results.

It doesn't make sense that he didn't have his B sample tested, which I find curious for someone who thought they were racing clean, he just accepted the positive reading and sat out for 8 months. It's a easy story to come up with the "mates water bottle" excuse, much like the tainted meat excuse, unless the other rider exposed himself and identifies what supplement he used and that supplement matches the sample reading then I'll always suspect that he had an unfair advantage.
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 @davetrumpore: so you’re suggesting I consider from the public sphere in this case? That sphere encompasses decades of cycling dopers with nebulous denials. Years of shady coincidences and—oof, you may not like this part—confederates claiming “slanderous” persecution.
Looks like yer boys got caught.
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 @owl-X: mmmm right totally apples to apples comparing systematic doping with the help of multiple staff, certified doctors, pharmaceutical companies, etc with this case. There's a big difference between ignorance and accidental case, and full blown systematic intent to cheat... Call be naive but the dopoing aggencies have seen it all and heard it all over the years from all the various sports and they don't roll over and play gently (especially would not be the case for French agency against an American athlete).

So you can either believe the process was followed and due diligence was done, or you can put on a tinfoil hat and believe there's some big coverup and conspiracy of the French doping agencyy to clear an American racer who potentially broke their rules on their soil... hmmmmmmm
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flag owl-X (Jun 23, 2019 at 7:53) (Below Threshold)
 @davetrumpore: okay, howbout...one of your boys sorta got caught?

No big deal, I’ve recently switched from slamming coffees to weed tokes and audiobooks for climbs at my local. Definitely cheating, as long as it wears off by the descent.
I have no dog in the hunt, and I’ve long since given up the ideal of a level playing field on any sports endeavor beyond toddler soccer (baby players, not balls). But realize no reasonable person believes you, even if you’ve convinced yourself it’s all on the up-and-up. Bike racers get and hold an edge with drugs. Full stop.
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 All you guys seem to have eaten wisdom with a spoon. Please apply to the french agency, you clearly could have done a better job in 5 minutes.
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 @davetrumpore: Sorry Dave but I have to disagree with you as well. For decades, we've been told that the anti-doping agencies are smart, their process is good and they don't take things too lightly. But unfortunately, history proves otherwise. That the cheaters can get away with even the most ridiculous excuses and technicalities. Lance had the "I'm the most tested athlete ever" excuse and we all bought it. Jon Jones had the dick pills and phasing metabolite excuse which guys like Jeff Nowitsky and the UFC are feeding the fans just to get JJ back in the ring. Now, RR has this laughable shared water bottle excuse which has been bought by a lot of people here. Wake up people! If these athletes, who are some of the most competitive and dedicated people on earth are indeed 100% committed to racing clean then they would take every precaution to avoid any chance that they could be tainted. These people train hours just to shave a tenth of a second on the clock. They have the best trainers and physios in the sport. They would check every label, and ask every question before taking a sip. But why is it when there's clenbuterol, M3 metabolites or whatever they found in Richie and Jared's system, then suddenly these elite athletes become oh so careless with the things they put in their bodies? Come on. MTB, may not be as lucrative as road cycling or the UFC but the incentive to get a winning advantage by cheating clearly outweighs the the risk and repercussions of getting caught. Let's not delude ourselves here.
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flag gapos999 (Jun 23, 2019 at 8:15) (Below Threshold)
 @BigAlfonz: perhaps yeti offered Jared to cover his medical bills in order to clear their name and put their champ back to racing!
Anyway, I still send my best healing vibes to Jared. Racing is so small in front of human life!
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flag SpecializedFTW (Jun 23, 2019 at 8:27) (Below Threshold)
 You’re right, the doping agencies don’t f*ck around. Anti-doping rules require either willful acts on the part of the athlete or a substantial level of negligence in determining what they’re ingesting. Athletes in the past have successfully beat off doping charges because they were able to demonstrate they did not knowingly ingest a banned substance and they took all the reasonable steps to avoid ingesting a banned substance. Richie is arguing it was unknowingly ingested and he took all the steps to not be negligent yet he still got a suspension. That’s pretty telling.

Also, Richie Rude is a proven doper, why are you welcoming him back with open arms? As far as I’m concerned (as well as many other competing athletes are concerned) you should have no right to come back once it’s proven you’re a doping athlete. It’s disgusting and seriously detracts from the sport knowing there are people who have a history of doping still competing.
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 @davetrumpore: It's an honorable thing you do, defending people that you know from people who don't know them, but I don't think anyone here has an open mind that is ready to be changed. They've all decided how they feel and they're here to yell about it.
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 @JaredHarzan: What is there to defend? He’s a convicted doper who is now trying to explain away his conviction with some fabricated PR story.
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 @SpecializedFTW: It's more telling they only banned him for 8 months....if this had been a serious, willful, large endeavor to skirt doping rules he would've been banned for years.
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 @phclaw: Doping agencies don’t give out suspensions for accidents. Contrary to what people here seem to be implying, doping agencies aren’t looking to vilify athletes. They function much the same as courts do in that a doping charge must be proven. The athlete gets a chance to defend themselves and offer alternate explanations. There is clear precedent for the water bottle defence and tainted supplement defence being accepted and the athlete being spared any suspension (Burke, 2013, 2014; www.researchgate.net/publication/318257664_Is_unintentional_doping_real_or_just_an_excuse). They give out suspensions when there is wilful intent or negligence present in the conduct of the athlete. If the story is as Rude claims and he innocently drank from a water bottle and did his due-diligence to ensure to the best of his ability he wouldn’t ingest banned substances, why was he suspended?

The story does not add up in the slightest.
  • 13 31
flag Painhawk (Jun 23, 2019 at 9:55) (Below Threshold)
 Can barely hear what you're saying over the sound of slurping on Richie's cock. I mean he IS hot but what the fuck Dave. Go take some pictures and shut the fuck up.
  • 18 11
 @Painhawk: your response here speaks volumes for both your level of maturity to have an informed debate with adults, and whatever opinion you have to be taken at all seriously ... Try better next time
  • 14 9
 @SpecializedFTW: I see where your coming from here. But often the doping rules state that you are 100% responsible for what's in your system (with rate exception where athletes have gotten a pass). That's the baseline and just testing positive will result in some type of sanction, the severity of which depends on the case presented once all the facts are investigated. Neglagence and ignorance will not get one exonerated with no penalty, but likely will result in minimal sanctions. If rider I'd believed to be willfully and intentionally cheating then the sanctions are far more severe. In this case it's probably rather safe to assume that Jared's waterbottle was not up to snuff with current regulations (given there's a photo of him from a few years back with over the counter drink mix that contained a now banned substance... A substance that is also still perfectly legal in training and outside competition). It's also pretty believable (some will agree some won't here and that's their opinion) that riders and friends share food and water in the last stage of a massively long day like the one in Olargues. One could say Jared offered a bottle up to his buddy that was leading the race at that point innocently and ignorant of what was in it and that it was indeed illegal, or one could believe the two guys set out from the start with the intent to cheat... From the sound of the ruling those that have actually been in charge of investigating and wheighing the facts have decided on the former of these two scenarios and rules accordingly. Accidental/ignorance/negligence not systematic pre meditated dropping... Hence the minimal sanctions compared to what could have been dishes out. Personally I'm okay with giving the benefit of the doubt to the riders and the doping agencies involved (and we still have not heard what they will do with Jared's case where more facts may come out). But in Richie's case they have ruled accidental and unintentional, and I prefer to respect that ruling than the ones people are throwing around in the court of public opinion. human beings make mistakes, very often unintentionally and obliviously... That does not make them innocent but it doesn't mean they acted with the intent to cheat and break rules and that is what it seems this case is all about.

But in the end everyone can believe what they want to believe for their own reasons.
  • 12 6
 @davetrumpore: I honestly don't give a shit about this, but the logic has some flaws.

These flaws point to the fact that Jared Graves should be considered both a cheater and a villain. Obviously a cheater for having PEDs in his water bottle. A villain for knowingly allowing Richie to drink from his bottle with a strong very high probability that he would get tested and fail. Allowing his friend and training partner to unknowingly take a risk that could ruin his entire career would mean that Graves is up there with the lowest of the low scum bag athletes that have ever existed. He's an Olympian and none of this would be a mystery to him.

However, I believe that Jared is a good guy and wouldn't do that to a friend; Especially when he could have just said "I don't have any water, ask someone else."

Basic logic is why people are skeptical of Richie's statement and bothered by the ruling.

It's pretty obvious that he cheated and used a classic legal move to avoid being crushed by the EWS
  • 8 0
 “And not at all unrealistic that friends would give a riders their water if they were fighting for the win on last stage.”

What kind of **** of a “friend” would give a mate a banned substance to take mid-race?
  • 5 5
 @painhawk: damn, it sounds you have some huge issues with your own sexuality....
  • 12 9
 @davetrumpore: Sorry, where have they ruled accidental and unintentional? That is what Rude has said. Forgive me if I don’t trust a proven cheat on his claims in relation to doping. The AFLD has not, and unfortunately cannot, comment on the validity of Rude’s claims. However, we do know for certain that in the past athletes have successfully fought doping charges and any penalties by a credible claim of accidental and unintended ingestion. The facts of this case presented by Rude are almost the exact same as the facts in a road biking case from 2013 where an athlete had trace amounts of a banned substance and was able to demonstrate it came from impure drinking water. In that case the rider received no sanction. Yet, Rude received an 8 month suspension. So how are we explaining away this difference in punishments for incredibly similar offences? Two riders both accidentally ingested banned substances yet one got nothing and one got a permanent doping record and an 8 month suspensions?

Furthermore, an adverse finding will be triggered over even trace amounts however lab results are both quantitative and qualitative. Rude’s claim would be far more believable if he actually said how much of the banned substances were found in his testing. If his claim is that he accidentally ingested it you would see no more than a few billionths of a gram at most. Yet here we are with nothing more specific than “trace amounts”.

And you’re absolutely right, athletes are human and humans make mistakes. That’s why courts and quasi-judicial bodies exist to arbitrate doping penalties. In my opinion there is only two options when it comes to adverse findings: you are either responsible for it (either you wilfully doped or failed to act in a way that was not negligent to prevent the ingestion of banned substances) or you are not responsible for it (unknowingly ingested the substance but took all the reasonable steps to prevent the ingestion of banned substances. The only penalty for being found to be responsible for your adverse finding should be an immediate lifetime ban. Of course you are free to appeal it but after so many sports being rocked by doping scandals we need to do more than silly little one or two year suspensions.
  • 10 5
 @Mntneer: I like the way you break it down and agree. Jared obviously isn't a villain so they were both obviously cheating, that's pretty much the only conclusion that makes sense.

Seems like Jared probably got hooked on the stuff when he was winning his first ews titles (No testing), got his Yeti teammate on the program, and they both kept doing it despite the testing. Based upon Jared's last pinkbike interview he said these supplements weren't serious cheating, and you gotta love how both these guys have framed this as a wake up call for other racers to be educated when they were just obviously cheating. As if they are taking one for the team or something. The fact that they have both been so disingenuous has made me lose all respect and I hope other enduro racers give them shit for it by jokingly asking for sips from their water bottles before the last stage of the race. I feel bad for Jared's cancer but the skeptical part of me gets the feeling he was relying on sympathy from it for this cheating controversy to pass over quietly.
  • 6 9
 @phclaw: Not really bro, I'm LGBTQ. I do however actively dislike cheaters in sports and the apologists that enable them.

The instagram post and excuse that Rude made is an affront to both participants and fans of the sport.

I'm not a plus member though like Trumpore so take whatever I say with a grain of salt.
  • 8 2
 It's my understanding that Richie got caught at the very first EWS that ever tested athletes for performance-enhancing drugs!
Who wouldn't cheat? @Mntneer:
  • 16 3
 @SpecializedFTW: I love your crime and punishment outlook on life. There is no sliding scale, once you're caught on the wrong side of something you're out for life. Drive 5 over the speed limit? Lifetime driving ban. Steal a candy bar as a kid, lifetime in jail. Get caught with trace amounts of a specified substance (which is definitely exactly the same as the impure water case)? Lifetime brand as a dirty evil cheater and banned from racing for life.

Pat yourself on the back, I bet you're perfect. You definitely know better than the anti-doping team. Who cares about the actual facts of the case when your opinions involved right?

Me? I'd rather leave it to those who actually did the investigation and know the facts. The perceived benefit and therefore punishment was minor, and from the few times I've met Richie he has been incredibly kind, so I'll take him for his word.
  • 30 5
 @Flowcheckers: I'veread a lot of these comments here and the one main trend that is very frustrating being on the other end is people making assumtions that are completely false. People are going to say what they want, and thats something we have to live with now, but If I can sum up this whole situation in one quick statement, it would be that there was never any premeditated intention to cheat or get an advantage on the competition. Are we guilty of being naive and somewhat neglegent when it came to double checking and cross checking names of ingredients on off the shelf of a pre workout drink, definitely, and we're paying to biggest price for that now, but we're not cheaters.
  • 12 0
 @gapos999: appreciate the healing vibes, but what you said above that, please don't go there, that's how really bad rumors start
  • 4 0
 @jaredgraves: I appreciate your sincere reply and apologize if I've hurt your feelings with my speculation but so many people wouldn't be questioning the explanations and speculating if the explanations made more sense. I did go over the line and won't do anymore speculating. Wish you the best in your recovery.
  • 11 1
 @JaToledo: thank you! Especially point number 5. I was first tested 19 years ago, and had extensive testing, both in and out of competition over all the years since, never an issue!
  • 3 1
 @jaredgraves: Your welcome Smile I just said what I felt needed to be said, the rest is just the truth that you'ved paved in your life! I hope to see you between the tapes soon!
  • 1 0
 @dualsuspensiondave: I agree with you fully but offer a small clarification that only furthers your point. You said "It's still illegal" and in most countries it isn't even that. Preworkout supplements are fully legal, over the counter supplements. They may be banned by an athletic governing body, but that simply makes them against the rules in that sport, not "illegal". Some countries have criminalized doping, which makes the division a little more fuzzy but, to my knowledge, they have only used that criminalization to strengthen the penalties on things like EPO that are prescription drugs, but have not used that to try to criminalize use of dietary supplements in an athletic context.
  • 1 0
 @kusanagi72: Dude, JG's case is separate from an adjudication perspective, and the brother is getting treated for brain cancer, for gods sake. It isn't unreasonable to expect that his case might take a bit longer to resolve as his priority right now is simply staying alive, and until his case is resolved, I'm sure Richie doesn't want to comment on it.
  • 1 1
 @BigAlfonz: Graves would be taking it because he felt that a stimulant drink was helpful for him. The same reason that people drink Redbull or Monster. It just so happens that this stimulant drink had additional stuff that has been banned, which he either didn't know, or knew, and thought he wouldn't get caught. Stimulants (both banned and permitted) have been used in athletics for many decades, either to help someone get fully "pumped/psyched" before a short event, or to perk someone up at the end of a long event. Coca-cola is a popular last half hour drink in road racing, due to the caffeine.

Graves would have offered Richie some sips for 2 reasons. 1. "The spirit of Enduro". 2. Because they are buddies and have trained together since they were on the Yeti team together. As to why he offered him his high-test stimulant drink vs. water/gatorade, I'd imagine Graves only had 1 bottle on him, with whatever his preffered beverage was. Even if he had 2, Richie might have wanted the one with stims and carbs. The only question is, did Graves know the ingredients were banned and, if so, did Richie know if they were banned. I don't expect that we'll ever know the truth of that.
  • 5 2
 @thekaiser: scroll down a bit and read the Jared's very long post that touches on much of what you are questioning... Cheers
  • 3 7
flag Beez177 (Jun 23, 2019 at 19:18) (Below Threshold)
 @davetrumpore: naive much. Btw Bill Cosby and OJ did it!
  • 3 3
 You are the man Jerry. Whatever you write won’t be a good enough explanation for these kooks looking for ways to rationalize their sub mediocre accomplishments in life. @jaredgraves:
  • 3 2
 Amen @davetrumpore I'm right there with you. Welcome back Richie, you are a class act and have been missed.
  • 5 4
 @davetrumpore: so there’s a few ways about this. Jared knowingly gave Richie spiked water without telling him, or Richie knew but Jared took the fall given his health situation. Hard to think of any other plausible possibility.
  • 3 4
 @kleinblake: This is the primary problem, we have statements, but it's obvious we are not given the whole truth. This is the most frustrating thing, not some minor-recently-banned-substance, but lies and half-truths.

@jaredgraves, @davetrumpore: There was a VERY simple way to cut all this BS, just tell the whole truth, a statement that one can actually believe. Whose bottle was it, why the supplement was there, did Richie know it was there (this one we get, but no one believes it), what was the amount of substance detected ...
But we do not know, so here we are, thousands of posts. But maybe this is too hard, maybe there are only lawyers, contracts and official statements.
  • 4 8
flag RoadRunner13 (Jun 23, 2019 at 23:53) (Below Threshold)
 Man, you are so naïve and biaised.
As if road cycling wasn't a good example of what a rider can do to get a case dropped, even when it is VERY suspicious.
Personnally, I think that even juiced, the road riders (and MTB) are amazing (you still have to be a monster, train soooo hard and race smart). But that's another debate.
But man, this Richie is juiced, it's not a question of haters or whatever.
  • 2 0
 @jaredgraves: My apologies!!!
Once again, stay strong man.
I'd love to see you back as strong as ever.
  • 6 0
 So much judgement, so little information.
  • 4 1
 The negligence bit is hard to swallow. I can see why fans who have never been tested before would accept this as truth. For anyone who has to comply with testing, the story sounds like even more bullshit being piled on. I was a division I college athlete, and we knew the ins and outs of WADA regs and procedures like it was the Bible. Partially because lots of guys were taking all kinds of PEDs, and partially because you didn't want to fuck up and get popped for something dumb. Either way, an olympian would have been under significantly more scrutiny than I was, and it's unbelievable that he could have been so negligent and ignorant of the substancea for years in competition The negligence and accidental ingestion plea works, so do what you gotta do, I guess.
  • 1 0
 @ilovedust: No one is saying somebody maliciously poisoned Richie. He apparently took some sips from a friend's bottle. As to if the friend (who is almost certainly Jared Graves) knew about the banned substances in the drink mix, we'll need to wait for that friend's case to play out but.

Some WADA labs, including ones in France, are testing down to Parts Per Billion and nanograms now. That doesn't take a hell of a lot to trip a positive. The threshold for a positive is in no way related to the minimum effective dose for performance enhancement. That is to say, yes, a few sips of something could trip a positive, while doing little or nothing to enhance your performance.
  • 1 1
 @Flowcheckers: I agree with you regarding the incentive bit. So are you saying that you think Rude was using the same drink mix as Graves (which had banned substances in it), but since it wasn't a Rhyno product, he isn't admitting it, to avoid pissing off his sponsor? That could certainly be the case, although it seems to me that if he is lying about "having a nip off a friend's bottle" with the banned mix rather than using the mix in his own, it is probably more a way to show this ingestion was unintentional, rather than to avoid saying he uses some non-sponsor products.
  • 1 1
 @steinbex: More info would certainly be great. But also consider this for a second: If Rude's attitude was something like "Hey, there's no testing going on, I want to take banned stuff to get an unfair advantage", why would he choose such piss-poor performance enhancers? If he thought it was open season on doping, why didn't he get popped for 'roids and EPO? Those have a much longer half life than the stuff he got caught with, so if he didn't expect testing, he would still have been in his "glow time" from the last dose of the proper doping agents.
  • 2 1
 @thekaiser: I have heard this was the first race with full testing stemming from the EWS UCI coupling.
  • 1 0
 @davetrumpore: Thanks for bringing my attention to Jared's comment Dave, in the rapid fire growth of this thread I had missed it! It's super cool of him to take the time to come on here and give his side of the story, despite his health challenges. Some of these people commenting seem really invested in being outraged, but I am hopeful that the majority of the critical folks just want more "straight talk" rather than spin doctored PR pieces, so hopefully Jared's efforts will not be wasted on them.
  • 1 0
 @gapos999: douche comment.
  • 95 1
 Two guys one bottle.
  • 14 0
 Omg I only watched for about 10 secs and am still traumatized 13 yrs later.
  • 7 0
 @Junk2016: ice cream
  • 4 0
 @BenPea: I haven't been near a Mr Whippy since.
  • 2 1
 it's an older meme sir, but it checks out
  • 1 0
 @miff: nice, prequelmemes made it to pinkbike Smile
  • 81 8
 Accidental ingestion = I smoked but I didn't inhale.
  • 129 4
 And I fell on it while hoovering naked. Honestly!
  • 10 1
 @mitochris: if you’ve ever been in the operating room for a foreign object removal you would shake your head. People put a lot of weird things where they don’t belong. First excuse was I fell in the shower.
It’s never travel size either....
  • 4 0
 @bandit350: other ones...girlfriend stuck it there..but no girls with them. A new one was, “I was constipated so I thought it would help.” It was a socket wrench. WTH.
  • 1 0
 @Pisgah4life: Snap-on?
  • 6 0
 @bandit350: go big or go home lol
  • 4 0
 @bandit350: it's 2019, everything belongs everywhere.
  • 61 9
 Thought anyone found guilty of drug use was automatically banned from riding in the EWS.
  • 16 1
 Yes, but not anymore.
  • 11 3
 @HenkkaK: nice that they changed the rules for these two
  • 1 0
 I think the problem is that it is such a very area - I used to be 100% life time ban but I read an article saying how easy it was to accidentally ingest something. A lot of the banned substances are masking agents, and there's so many of them and they are constantly changing.

I'm not sure I really believe RR (as someone said earlier everyone cheating says the same thing...). I could accept his ban better if he put his hands up to it (Askrigg this might not be the truth).

I also question why, if the other rider was his friend, why a friend would give them a drink of something that may end their career...? Doesn't sound too friendly to me...
  • 1 0
 Yeah, and I'm resisting the temptation to do a huge fart noise with my mouth
  • 59 16
 Sounds pretty good... I, a professional athlete, fully supported from my team and supply stations in the course of one race, magically ran out of water and took "a few drinks" from a fellow athletes bottle, which was more than enough to produce more than trace elements of banned substances after being filtered through my body's system in my piss.

Gotta say it's not really surprising that he doped, but this is just window dressing for a dead issue.
  • 4 5
 Can't help but wonder if this excuse is at the advice of a lawyer and related to him being sponsored by Rhyno.
  • 1 0
 @Flowcheckers: the other rider is sponsored by Rhyno also though.
  • 8 2
 I wouldn't call any EWS rider "fully supported." These guys have to carry tool pouches on their kits. This isn't the Tour de France where they have a car following them around with spare bikes mounted to it. It's not completely unreasonable that someone pushing hard enough to win that event ran out of water somewhere along the way.
  • 7 5
 @grldm3: Lol, I gotta bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.
  • 2 2
 @grldm3: That they are both sponsored by Rhyno is irrelevant. The point I'm implying is that he would be vulnerable to legal consequences if he intentionally violated his contract with Rhyno and took illegal supplements. By denying it and lying with the water bottle excuse he doesn't risk having them sue him for brand damage or risk having to pay back all his sponsor payments. Just a theory, but it makes sense given Rude's completely disingenuous water bottle excuse.
  • 3 2
 @grldm3: It might not be the Tour de France, but clearly it’s on its way there.
  • 1 0
 @grldm3: You got me there. Now the story seems much more plausible.
  • 2 1
 @FuzzyL: ews, and for that matter world cup downhill, is light years away from tour de france levels of interest and money.
  • 2 0
 @phclaw: Sorry, that was meant to be a joke, since EWS seems to be getting pretty close to TdF in the department of stupid excuses.
  • 47 9
 Hahahahah cool story bro!
  • 80 5
 Dope* story!
  • 11 2
 Needs more dragons though.
  • 39 5
 Randy gave him his bottle
  • 31 2
 Randy's backwash is a performance enhancing substance.
  • 7 18
flag ginosega (Jun 22, 2019 at 13:23) (Below Threshold)
 @PhillipJ: You just won the internet
  • 10 1
 @PhillipJ: Randy doesn’t do drugs...

...drugs do Randy.
  • 2 1
 @dubod22: hell I’d do Randy
  • 34 9
 Not everyone can be a pro athlete but your chances are better if you have the genetics, $, total commitment ( from sponsors), drive, dedication and the drugs help. However ANYBODY can be president.
  • 26 0
 “I’m super pumped”. Case closed.
  • 33 12
 What happened to a lifetime ban for getting caught doping? saying it wasn't his bottle and a hand me down instead is not really a valid excuse. I understand it's not nice to ban someone from being able to do his job but at the same time that just seems like a small slap on the wrist because he's a well known rider. If it was some random rider the result would've probably not been the same.
  • 15 0
 What sport has a lifetime ban?
  • 6 9
 @sino428: WADA controlled sports. Like, all of them.
  • 16 0
 @spaceofades: look at road cycling and those guys get a 2 year out of competition ban for way worse stuff. Im not seeing lifetime bans for single infractions.
  • 57 2
 EWS rule book 2018

''With the interests of keeping enduro mountain biking clean from the start and to avoid the spirit and reputation of enduro mountain bike racing from being brought into disrepute, any cyclist, regardless of cycling discipline, who has previously been found guilty by any court or regulatory body of any use of or involvement with banned, performance enhancing drugs will not be entitled to compete or take part in any Enduro World Series event.''

Doesn't appear in the 2019 rule book tho; it's been given a hefty dose of ambiguity....how unsurprising.
  • 2 1
 @owwmyface: The controversy's good for business...
  • 13 4
 @owwmyface: Welcome to the UCI where the spirit of bicycle racing goes to die!
  • 17 4
 @owwmyface: that’s funny that they seemed to have changed it. Zero tolerance always work better in theory than in practice. It all good until two of your top riders get popped.
  • 8 7
 Makes you wonder if botgng Richie and Jared's tittles were gained while they were doping.
  • 4 3
 @derekisrad: sad but true
  • 5 0
 @sino428: That is exactly why it should be practiced, there will always be more top riders.
  • 6 5
 @TobiasHandcock: It sure does. Rude's results in 2015 and 2016 are tainted.
  • 2 1
 @owwmyface: I don’t think they were banned substances. I think they were “specified substances” whatever that means. They were talking about it at the time.
  • 4 9
flag thesharkman (Jun 22, 2019 at 19:49) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah, ban the person who built the sport and lose his fans. Good plan!
  • 16 1
 @thesharkman: this is entertainment at the end of the day. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves talking about ethics when he was also riding a bike made by the closest thing to modern slavery, at a location he had to travel to on a plane, for promotion of a product sold to rich people when there are so many people in the world living below the poverty line.
  • 2 2
 @jaame: I guess that they were masking agents - something you could use to hide the presence of an actual banned substance.
  • 8 6
 @slimboyjim: no need to guess... The two substances were listed months ago when the original story broke. PB even did a lengthy article on what they were, what they do, and where they can be found in some over the counter products (one substance is legal in training and out of competition even)... And they aren't masking agents
  • 2 0
 @ddd: he says they’re intact! No problem!
  • 3 1
 @ddd: Why are they tainted? He was tested then and he was clean. The supplements he got popped for now were banned in 2018, they were fine in 15 and 16.
  • 2 2
 @phclaw: Regular/thorough testing was not a part of every EWS event/venue prior to coupling with the UCI last year. According to the EWS this is the primary reason they coupled with the UCI. So, we do not know the extent of Rude's previous testing. Who knows what he was taking in 2015 or 2016? If there was less regular/thorough testing he could have been taking larger doses, stronger PEDs, or nothing at all, but there's no way to know for sure, and I don't think Rude is going to tell us, but we wonder, and that's why his previous victories are tainted.
  • 1 0
 @owwmyface: Sad :/
  • 23 0
 So many things have steroids in them nowadays. That's why I only eat pop tarts.
  • 6 12
flag dualsuspensiondave (Jun 22, 2019 at 17:01) (Below Threshold)
 No one was caught doing steroids or anything that resembles it in this case. Coffee must be a banned substance next.
  • 5 0
 @dualsuspensiondave: Never let the truth get in the way of a good joke...
  • 1 0
 Yeah. It was Higenamine and Oxilofrine, with two lumps! @dualsuspensiondave:
  • 2 2
 @Lugers: Yep, exactly. It's from over the counter pre-workout. It's like drinking a couple cups of coffee. How do I know? I've used pre-workout just like 90% of people who workout.
  • 3 3
 @dualsuspensiondave: amphetamines and beta agonists aren't "just like coffee". Put down the crackpots dude.
  • 6 3
 @clink83: Dude, I've taken OTC pre-workout and it feels just like drinking coffee, it's not f*cking meth man.
  • 24 4
 So he still got suspended i.e. did something wrong?

He’s talking as if he was exonerated

I’m confised
  • 16 2
 Also... Graves got popped for the same stuff. Whose water bottle was it?
  • 99 4
 @SangamonTaylor: Richie drank from Graves bottle, and Graves from Richie's....
  • 9 1
 @H3RESQ: lotta bottle swapping going on the EWS Top 10...
  • 8 2
 The confidential nature of the testing allows athletes with good pr firms to get out in front of everything and create their own narrative. They could have done a better job with this one quite honestly. Should have just gone with the standard tainted supplement defense. It's a classic for a reason.
  • 12 2
 @gonecoastal: 2 guys 1 bottle
  • 3 2
 @H3RESQ: two guys one cup
  • 7 0
 The 8 month suspension was for testing positive for a banned substance (which is obviously doing something wrong), the exoneration-esque feeling we're all getting is because he claims it was "accidental" and that the suspension was served retroactively, so it's basically over and everything's back to normal. Nothing else to see here, folks! Move along!
  • 4 3
 @gonecoastal: 2 riders, 1 cup...
  • 7 3
 Total and complete exoneration. No colution!
  • 1 1
 @WestwardHo: Graves will run with tainted supplement, since it will have been his bottle (only way it makes sense that they both got done).
  • 1 0
 @WestwardHo: The tainted supplement defense would have cast aspersions on his own supplement sponsor, who bill themselves as being free of any banned substance contamination, with no guarantee of any reduction in penalty. It would also open him up to more risk of claims from the sponsor of brand damage. Now tell me again why would that have been a better PR route?
  • 15 0
 So if he does well people will say he juiced and if he bombs people will say he is not on the juice. The biggest hit here is to his rep, regardless of what he thinks that is never coming back to what it once was.
  • 4 0
 @gbeaks33: I was wondering about this - surely he should be subjected to a stringent testing scheme now. If his account is true, that would provide evidence that he is competing clean, and if his account isn't true, then it assists his competitors.
  • 17 0
 ...And Adam said “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
  • 18 1
 This is the dopest news I've heard in months!
  • 20 3
 This is an embarrassment and truly disappointing.
  • 19 6
 Stoked to see him back, love watching him race, Do they think anyone actually believes the water bottle excuse. Come on, I get it, EWS got to lax, people pushed the limit, a couple got caught and something had to be done.
  • 18 5
 I think I've found a loophole. Remind me to have a privateer competitor bring EPO water in his bottle to the top of a stage next time I'm a top EWS contender.
  • 10 4
 You would be in for an unpleasant surprise. EPO needs to be kept refrigerated. And it can only be injected iirc.
  • 17 2
 This is both hilarious and sad.
  • 14 2
 Serious question, what are the EWS top riders opinions on this? Can PB get some genuine thoughts, might have to be anonymous, but is Sam all chill, Maes like what eve's?
C'mon PB get onto it.
  • 8 3
 Maes cannot answer such a question.i can recall him helping Sam Hill changing a tube...maybe it was an inner tube with forbidden gum...though Sam hill's wheelset was never tested for doping at that time...
  • 8 0
 A bunch of top ten french riders race my local races, and I specifically heard one say "if Richie comes back to racing, I'm definitely going to start doping", it was said in jest, but facts are Barelli and Ravanel will be out of contention due to injury longer than RR for doping.
  • 6 0
 @gbeaks33: I think rider reaction to him at the events may be very telling...
  • 1 0
 It's not their job to put their collegue's words in question. They could be considered tattletales.
  • 3 0
 I can't remember who it was (maybe Barelli?), but there was an EWS rider on a podcast who was looking forward to more stringent testing, suggesting other riders may be taking banned supplements.

It may make him unpopular within the paddock, but I'd love someone to come out and give their thoughts.
  • 18 4
 So Richie drank from Graves bottle, and Graves from Richie's....?
  • 18 4
 Sounds like a load of bollocks to me!
  • 12 0
 BEWARE racers of sharing bottles, and for Canadians also joints, at races. You can end up with a doping infraction...or even oral herpes!
  • 2 0
 @mtnrush666 sharing is caring , ok?
  • 16 6
 Never heard something funny like this ..

" ah yes sorry mr Armstrong used someone else's bottle as well" Big Grin Big Grin I love pros ..
Gwin blaming his mechanic .. Gwin's mechanic mounting an old set of cranks on a brand new bike ... rude used someone's bottle ...

They all think we are f%#ing stupid readers and believe everything.. of course we do .. we buy the shit they wear and use FULL PRICE . That is stupid ..Big Grin
  • 15 3
 But officer, it wasn't MY gun! Someone just walked up and put it in my hands!
  • 11 0
 Richie is wearing Specialized pants in the latest Vital RAW video. Teamrumors2020!

EDIT: maybe they're his friend's since he 'forgot his kit' or something.
  • 10 1
 To counter @jaredgraves lengthy response above:

Point 1: Oxilofrine caused a massive scandal in 2013 in Track and Field. It is a well known banned stimulant and there is a ton of info out there to help athletes avoid positives. The top 100m sprinters in the world were caught (Asafa Powell former World Record Holder, Sherone Simpson) which means it works as a DAY OF EVENT performance enhancer (stimulates nervous system generally, heightened concentration, quicker reaction times). 100m athletes look for any advantage they can get! Jared above said the label on his product said “synephrine HCL”. Oxilofrine is brand name for methylsynephrine. If you simply type “WADA Synephrine” into google the FIRST GOOGLE HIT is the WADA banned stimulant list stating “Oxilofrine (Methylsynephrine)” is banned. Shouldn’t Jared have been concerned the “Synephrine HCL” was oxilofrine? The Oxilofrine is the DAY OF EVENT stimulant that would offer the most performance enhancing effects and that should have been a red flag to stop using the BPM Labs ‘The One’ supplement right there for Jared. There is no need to “type these ingredients into the WADA search” as Jared says it is pretty obvious from the first google hit that the supplement is sketchy.

www.wada-ama.org/en/content/what-is-prohibited/prohibited-in-competition

Point 2: Jared has been taking supplements for years. Higenamine is a chemical compound found in Nandica Domestica (a plant). As far back as 2016, the Australian Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) who Jared would be most familiar with, issued this warning that supplements may label higenamine as Nandica Domestica. As Jared has likely been tested by ASADA lots of times over his career (2008 BMX Olympics) this press release may even have been emailed to him by ASADA (maybe.....just saying). Most national anti-doping agencies (USADA, AFLD) have issued similar warnings on higenamine. As a DAY OF EVENT performance enhancer, I am not as concerned with the higenamine as I am with the oxi. Hig’s biggest benefit is as an asthma drug helping to open up the airways. Asthma drugs help otherwise why would so many endurance athletes be diagnosed with asthma (hint: so they can be prescribed salbutamol…it helps). Typing “Nandica Domestica WADA” into google results in this ONE OF THE TOP GOOGLE HITS, but not the top one like above. The ASADA original press release was in 2016:

www.asada.gov.au/news/athlete-warning-higenamine-supplements

Every athlete who has ever been caught with one of these stimulants blames supplements. It is the go to defense. We heard “trace amounts” from Richie, but the drugs leave the system quickly so a “trace amount” is irrelevant. What is important to understand is that as DAY OF EVENT drugs, higenamine and oxilofrine would have offered a performance advantage for Enduro when you are exhausted dropping into the last stage (open airways, stimulated nervous system, increased awareness).
  • 1 0
 I’m a big fan of Jared but I find some of his explanations odd. I am puzzled as to why these elite athletes who know that there are tens of thousands of ingredients out there that may cause them to fail a test if accidentally ingested would risk it all to take supplements? Why? Do drinking iffy supplements offer a massive benefit DURING THE RACE that outweighs the risk of popping due to a mislabeled banned ingredient? It just does not make sense. Why risk it all for a supplement unless it truly offered a significant enhancement in performamce?
  • 2 0
 @almacigatrailrider: Drugs never offer a MASSIVE benefit. Think Charlie Francis (Ben Johnson's coach) said 3-4% for steroids for the 100m in his book for example. Steroids are a TRAINING DRUG. EPO might be more for cycling - maybe 5%+ range. Those are huge advantages though. Tons of endurance athletes get diagnosed with 'exercise induced asthma' so they can go on Sabutamol (what froome was busted for) so inhalers must offer a 1-2% advantage by opening up the airways. The key thing no one in the MTB world understand is that 100m athletes have been using stimulants for 30 years because they work. Sabutamol and stiumulants are DAY OF EVENT DRUGS - they offer an advantage on race day. Carl Lewis tested positive for 3 stimulants a the 88 US Olympic trials and never should have been allowed into the 88 olympics. Cheater. In 2013 like 5-6 world class sprinters got busted for Oxilofrine. If you run the 100m any advantage counts so Oxi must count for at least 1-2% in the 100m. Oxi would help with alertness and focus in all stages. You pretty much have to ride balls out to win an EWS so Oxi would help. They higenamine would help to open up airways. Debatable if you would get a real advantage from the hig, but it may offer a more mental confidence boost. Since the EWS never tested before, many riders could have been using DAY OF EVENT training drugs for years. The advantage is probably small overall - like 1-2%, but that always matters at the top level.
  • 15 3
 Who was the fellow racer?
Jared?
  • 20 9
 Yes. You must be new here.
  • 4 1
 Thanks! I only knew Jared tested positive too. Didn't know he was the one who passed him the bottle.
  • 6 0
 @IntoTheEverflow: at this point I think it’s speculation, but also the most believable turn of events aside from just lying. Unfortunately it also carries implications for Jared’s character...
  • 12 3
 Is it actually possible to be tested positive only by drinking 50ml of somebody's bottle. Sounds like a weak excuse. Sorry but this just sucks. It is just so unfair for every clean rider
  • 2 0
 Well he is a pro athlete, probably takes monster swigs.
  • 17 5
 Go Richie Rude! Always stoked to see him rip it up!!
  • 9 2
 It’s good to see him back but this accidental thing is just always the answer...
reminds me of that „little Britain“ sketch with the politician that got caught at a gay party speaking to the press: “and then I accidentally fell into him”
  • 8 1
 The evidence has been considered and a ruling has been made. The case is closed. Racers, better keep it clean because the next case will likely yield a far stiffer penalty. Now let's see if RR or Sam Hill or anyone else can challenge aMAESing's phenomenal speed and consistency this season!
  • 9 1
 PB get us the story that gives the inside of this, how they found out about situation, about zero chance they just happened to sweep up Rude and Graves randomly....that’s the real story here...
  • 11 11
 This was well reported months ago including exclusive interviews with both riders involved a d the EWS... Much is not new news
  • 3 3
 I read all of that and had same response then as now. I have been involved w organizations that when it became known personnel were on drugs a “random” test was scheduled but reality was it was specifically to catch them. All the articles I read made no mention of the back story beyond it was except it was random. @davetrumpore:
  • 12 11
 @ov3r1d3: the French federation held doping controls at the EWS in Olarges and tested the podium (that's standard not random) which includes Richie Rude, Martin Maes and Adrien Dailly... Then as is standard they tested riders at random that included Jose Borges, Greg Callaghan, Jared Graves and two others I can't recall. It was not a sting to catch/entrap people they were already aware of, there's no alterior motive or conspiracy going on here. Just standard protocol when anti-doping is conducted.
  • 4 2
 As I said read that, Dave and I still doubt Graves was random and conspiracy? If you cheat you deserve to get caught, but I like your sentiment that behind the scenes w the riders and governing organizations there isn’t all kinds of wild and weird maneuvering going on regularly....yeah no historical precedents in bicycle racing of any of that kind of behavior happening lol @davetrumpore:
  • 11 10
 @ov3r1d3: so you are accusing the French Anti Doping Agency, the UCI, the EWS and riders who failed drug tests of a conspiracy, fraudulent coverup, and PR spin... But with no proof, just your personal feels? Sounds legit LOL.
  • 5 1
 You gotta be kidding w the continued “conspiracy” stuff right? I would hope so Dave, I’m not accusing anyone of anything and so what ifI was? It’s a comment section not legal action. I like a good story Dave that’s all and guess you’re not too familiar w some the great stories w crazy ass plot twists concerning drug testing/cheating etc in high level bicycle racing, so I’ll let you go and google it...maybe start w a guy named Lance...no one suspected a thing but then 7 years later wow! OH MY!!!! Lol @davetrumpore:
  • 2 0
 @ov3r1d3: “start w a guy named Lance...no one suspected a thing...” really?
  • 2 0
 Given that Rude won the race he wasn't random. The rider that wins and normally the podium are the ones who are tested
  • 3 0
 And testing was extremely rare in the EWS. @tiagomano:
  • 10 1
 Why would someone be racing with Higenamine in their bottle, which is a weight loss supplement?
  • 4 2
 If you get to beefed up on roids for BMX racing you gotta lose some of the mass for enduro.
  • 8 7
 @Flowcheckers RR has been jacked for years and has been clean for years until this (winning the US junior downhill during the process). He’ll continue being jacked. And he’ll continue being a top ten racer, and I’m guessing he won’t have another testing issue. But given how some of these supplements are in otc powders, and how they’re placed on and off the banned lists, I can see where riders could ingest small amounts of them unknowingly or accidentally...if a French doing agency more or less believed him and only gave an American eight months, it definitely wasn’t some long term, multi year, systematic conspiracy of RR, JG, rhino, yeti to dope...
  • 1 1
 @bikefuturist I don't think anyone specifically put Higenamine in their bottle. They more likely put a drink mix, with about 30 different ingredients in it, in their bottle, one of which happened to be Higenamine. Gymbro drink mixes often have a wide range of stuff in them, in the attempt to achieve all sorts of effects. The manufacturer would have put weight loss or "fat burning" supplements in because they are marketed to people looking to get ripped/shredded, which usually requires both gaining/maintaining muscle and losing fat. Also, not all of those formulations are based on conclusive scientific evidence. A lot of them are simply the company throwing a bunch of stuff in that looks even remotely promising, based on theory, mouse studies, etc...in hopes that even if most of it is ineffective some mix of them will provide the end user with a perceived benefit.
  • 9 1
 Again another quality cycling discipline that started out riding with mates and having fun timing each other turning to who's got the best dope. Joke
  • 9 2
 A liar in a world full of cheaters who's mantra is it wasn't my fault. Around the water cooler the saying is " the only thing I did wrong was get caught"/ f*ck it back to racing now.
  • 12 3
 So the EWS life time ban for anyone found with banned substances isn’t a thing then...
  • 8 10
 Would be a pretty boring sport to ban people for life for using a pre-workout powder that would be like drinking a cup or 2 of coffee before a stage.
  • 4 2
 Would definitely send a message. Enforce the rules since ews2018 rulebook had the lifetime paragraph and 2019 edition mysteriously doesn't. He could still ride and film and entertain when banned, just not compete in ews anymore, it's not incarceration....
  • 4 3
 Yeah but these substances weren’t banned before 2018...and what it sounds like they can be found in many workout powders you and I can get on amazon or cvs...and how much needed to be ingested to show up in a test? And like Dave T said above, ews stages have riders sharing bottles on all the liaisons...personally I could care less - this doesn’t seem like a huge Jared/RR conspiracy to dope...seems pretty minuscule to me....
  • 1 0
 @phclaw: Yeah, if they set out with the intention of "Lets dope!" they would be idiots to be using this stuff that they got popped for rather than the far more effective stuff. In other words, if you make a conscious decision to cheat, because you think the rewards are worth the risk of getting caught, why would use such lame doping agents?
  • 2 0
 @thekaiser: Because now the UCI was in charge of testing... but back in 2015 and 2016, when I believe each venue was individually responsible for EWS dope testing, who knows what they could have been taking.

The half-life of the ingested substances, that is how quickly the substance remains detectable in the body, is very brief, allowing an athlete to consume at the beginning and during a race and still piss clean when it's over, that is another reason these substances would be used.
  • 2 0
 They had "advanced analytical findings" (small doses) It is legally hard to ban someone for an AAF. If a rider was busted with a 6:1 testosterone to epitestosterone (4:1 for example is the "natural" IAAF [track] limit) that would be completely difference as it would be blatant evidence of testosterone/steroid doping so could result in a lifetime ban. Same thing with a hemocrit level above 50% (have to be taking EPO to get up here as 50% would make your blood very thick from all the red blood cells putting rider at danger of a heart attack).
  • 13 5
 boom....pleased to see the dude back. Hope Jared is healing up well too...
  • 4 0
 To start, I am a cynical old git, but......

He opts to not compete, then after 8 months it is decided he serves an 8 month ban and can without saying, let people read that he drank from Graves bottle (who due to his illness will be out the game for much longer) then just steps right back into racing.

If you're innocent and can race you race.

But either way, he's a great rider, so ride your bike.
  • 5 1
 It's just odd that the peanut gallery can't accept a perfectly believably explanation. What a witch hunt. That said, every athlete that is subject to WADA testing needs to, moving forward, find a trusted compliant supplement provider or hopefully sponsor, completely stock up on their products and carry them with them at all times. There should be no mechanics chasing products around in a some ski village. At this level, that's just poor planning. I'm a weekend warrior and carry my supplements in an organized manner at all times. As a sponsor I'd write that requirement right in to the contract. Glad to Have Rude back and get better Jared!
  • 9 3
 Omfg that's a big joker ! I hope to see more invertigations in every EWS for top30 to make de series full clean.
  • 7 1
 Was he coached/teached by someone with roadcycling history?????

WTF... water bottle.......
  • 5 2
 Frank Schleck claimed this a few years ago.
  • 7 1
 Glad to see him back. Think it would of been better to just say he made a mistake and move on.
  • 7 4
 I think Richie had a couple of small grammatical errors in his statement, it was missing a couple of quote marks, and then it all makes sense ....

This whole thing was a "shock" to me. All in all, it was "accidental" ingestion
  • 7 2
 Still a fan of Rude, but I can't swallow the whole "i drank out of someone else's bottle". That means either Jared was the one cheating or it's completely made up.
  • 4 1
 I think mid to back of the field riders like most of us underestimate the pressure to perform and the desire to win at the front of the field. I have had a nasty flu bug for nearly 4 weeks. I was on an in competition banned steroid for 5 days. I did a 28km ride last week while still sick and not riding for 2 weeks. I felt better than I could have imagined possible on the climbs and descents possibly thanks to the steroid meds. These drugs are banned for a reason.
  • 4 0
 Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed and the French Anit-Doping Agency didn't ban whoop ass (canned) which we fans are about to witness gleefully.

Amateur Tip #2: That's why I only drink Brawndo
  • 8 3
 I believed Floyd. I believed Tyler Hamilton. I believed Contador. Hell, I even believed Lance for a while. That's why I don't believe you now, Richie.
  • 5 0
 is there actually an over the counter supplement that has Higenamine and Oxilofrine?
  • 1 0
 at least one of them, don't know about both
  • 3 2
 of course! and some asshole put it in his bottle.. and then borrowed that tainted bottle to Richie who tested positive! How unfortunate!
  • 3 2
 @bikefuturist - Yep, it's usually found it about half of pre-workout powder that can be bought anywhere.
  • 2 0
 I don't know about Oxilfrine, but I've had Higenamine in my Alphamine which I've used for years as a decent weight management pre-workout. However, some of my tubs didn't have it - I had two in my cupboard that were different flavours, one had it and one didn't.

I've use it to sweat more at the gym, I wouldn't say I've ever considered using it for mtb racing as I personally wouldn't see the benefit of it. Other pre-workouts I have used before racing as they give you energy, some goes with a coffee or a red bull.

What I can read from this case is: it was an offence so they couldn't not punish them, but also so minor in level and apparent benefit they couldn't warrant doing much more than an 8 month ban.
  • 3 1
 actually a ton in reality. Those are both common ingredients in most of your pre workouts that you buy at gnc/vitamin shoppe/ bodybuilding.com. The screwed up part is that since supplements do not fall under FDA requirements, hence the "supplement" label, they dont ever list what their "proprietary blend" is. So you have no idea what is really in there. So you buy it, expecting it to be 100% legit since you got it from a local store, which isnt always the case.

This whole thing is really BS. Now if they were taking Cardarine...I could see that.
  • 2 2
 @wolfman00: From what I have seen, ingredients in the "proprietary blend" are generally listed. It's just that the amount is listed as a collective for the whole blend, not each ingredient in the blend. In other words, you could see that guarana extract is in the blend, but have no idea if it is 5mg or 50mg, as they just tell you the total blend is 500mg. It would still allow you to identify if there is a banned substance though. That of course doesn't rule out contamination, or running ingredient changes with lax labeling updates.
  • 2 4
 @dualsuspensiondave: Yes, these substances are so prolific that no other rider has been found with these substances in their bodies... only a devout workout and training guru and former olympian didn't know what he was ingesting...
If you're interested, I have a bridge to sell you.
  • 4 2
 @ddd: Seriously? Those compounds have been found in over half of pre-workout powder tested, yet none of them had them on the ingredient list.
  • 2 3
 @dualsuspensiondave: The bridge is recently renovated, connects to a thriving metropolis, and has the option to build out tollbooths. If you're interested, reply here. Serious offers only.
  • 8 4
 Pinkbike should do investigation, like real journalists should do.... and then state a critical review. Just routing stuff trough is not enough
  • 6 0
 It look like Richie got some coaching from Richard Virenque...
  • 6 1
 Does anybody know where I can order myself some of these tainted water bottles? I could use the boost.
  • 7 1
 Broc tickle probably reading this with steam coming from his ears.
  • 2 0
 What does Higenamine do?
What is Oxilofrine?

The other drug Jared and Richie tested positive for, Oxilofrine, is a stimulant and amphetamine. It is commonly used to treat low blood pressure in people who do not respond to conventional treatment.
Beta2 Agonists relax the muscles that control the airways, allowing an athlete’s lungs to take in more oxygen and boost performance. Higenamine is also used as a fat burner in dietary supplements.
  • 8 6
 I’m glad he’s back to racing he’s such a nice guy, so hard working, talented, and I believe that he would never cheat on purpose. We all make mistakes and he definitely paid for his. Thank you for being you Richi, so simple, so fast!!
  • 5 3
 I’m just glad to see him back - awesome rider, awesome racer, and from what everyone says, he’s a humble awesome person...and what these substances are, not banned until 2018, available in most otc workout powders, seems like barely trace levels, t doesn’t seem like a huge doping conspiracy by him and Jared in the first place....
  • 6 1
 The whole zero excuse policy is coming to a end, was expecting a 2year ban to be announced
  • 7 5
 I personally believe him. Because they all admitted the amounts in his system lined up with accidental ingestion and would offer no performance edge. I doubt RR or anybody in his shoes would risk his career (especially at his age) over something that doesn't even give him an edge. Especially since someone else failed and it doesn't seem far fetched that the other rider and RR would share a bottle. I'm pretty sure the EWS and French Anti Doping agency wouild have shot this statement down immediately if they thought it wasn't true. The French Anti Doping Agency does not mess around with this stuff.
This reflects on EWS though. 1) they need more testing, that way they can establish a pattern of clean tests or dirty tests for when trace amounts of something we can buy at the store and offer no edge does come up in a test. 2) if the sport is at the point where a few sips of water can get you suspended for almost a year or potentially ruin a career then these guys need more access to water during an event. They should never be in the situation where they have to drink from any bottle except their own. Now riders are going to remember this and if they run out of water they just won't drink water and that can end up a lot worse than a failed test.
  • 4 1
 There is no rule saying that you can't wear a backpack with 10L of water in it. If they don't like to wear a backpack or those hip bags then they shouldn't complain about the lack of water.
  • 6 3
 Are you so high that youre thinking a beta agonist and an amphetamine provides no edge in endurance racing? The mental gymnastics you guys are going through to try to explain away dropping is insane.
  • 3 1
 @clink83: it's the amounts that offered no performance edge. He would have had to have 10 fold of it in his system to give him any form of advantage. You can take Tylenol for a headache. 1/8th of a pill of Tylenol isn't going to do anything though.
  • 2 1
 @jmjr: I agree with you there, but there was a water stop that was supposed to be in that race that didn't actually exist. I understand the point you are making but I don't think anybody thinks it's a good idea to send racers out there with 20+lbs of water on their backs. If this came down to poor planning on his part then he paid a heavy price for it.
  • 6 1
 Most of this comment section feels a bit like the witch Hunt scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail
  • 5 2
 Turns out that fans of mountain biking can be just as shitty as fans of every other sport. Just waiting for the first hardo to hope he ends up with a spine injury. Fucking jackals.
  • 6 2
 Bike riding is fun, watching Richie on a bike is fun. I am excited to see him back. World hunger is more of a problem to devote emotion to. Chill out everyone
  • 4 2
 I’m glad to see him back. Glad to know most people on here never do anything wrong.
I’m sure a lot of supplements at your local GNC store are illegal with the a**holes at UCI. Be awesome to see no rules and let them juice it up and then go beast mode on the trail
  • 2 0
 I know I am late to the party, and I know I am not adding anything really, but I just wanted to say I am disappointed. The statement seems weak and kind of opens the door for this excuse to be rolled out every time just like you see in other forms of cycling.

I would rather see the statements made by the doping agency. I would really like to see the other rider named as well. Shame for the other rider, yes, but the case isn't closed at this point without an official statement on that.

Also I want to know what the "Dietary supplement" was. Because it's obviously being used in the sport, and people should know to avoid it. Especially if it is "over the counter"

Plenty of privateers could fall foul of this so it would be seen as more giving back to the sport to fill in these glaring blanks.
  • 4 0
 Jared Graves has replied in the comments - his response is very good, but I'm of the same opinion as you. Anti doping agency should be releasing official statements, not instagram posts from the guilty rider.
  • 14 9
 Excited to see you back on the circus Richie!
  • 8 5
 really I could care less if these guys wanna get jacked on whatever drugs to push the body. Maybe hire somebody to make statements for you though :/
  • 8 2
 sounds like a joke
  • 5 2
 Man, there is a point where you are rudely insulting people's intelligence! Of course from the standpoint of pulling your head out of the sling, it's fine.
  • 6 5
 I'm a fan or Richie Rude, and will continue to be, but this excuse makes no sense.
Sure if the positive drug test came back seconds after providing a sample you could potentially determine the source of what you ingested but with the time lag between when a sample is provided and a positive test it returned it's going to be pretty much impossible to trace back the source with any certainty.
Picture the phone call: "Uhhhh, hey man, it's Richie... Uh, yeah remember when you gave me a bit of water a few months ago at that race? Yeah... Any chance you still have the bottle and never washed it?... You do? ... Still unwashed? ... Perfect! Can you send it to WADA for testing? They think you might be doping and I ingested some.... Cool! Thanks bro!"
Given that this water was from another racer how come we haven't heard of any other positive tests? Unless it was Jared Graves' water this is ludicrous.
  • 14 12
 Another rider failed a test at the sAme race for the same substances... so in theory wouldn't be too hard to find out what that other rider had in their bottle. That other riders case would be (is) separate and Richie would not be allowed to comment on it or name them (Hence the vague statement above). The other rider involved will surely share their story when it is legally allowed, but Richie certainly can make no further statements about it.
  • 22 4
 We all saw the picture of Graves with the supplement that had the banned substance in it. Why is it so hard to believe Richie's story that he drank from another riders bottle (Grave's)? Also, wasn't the substance just added to the banned list in 2018? I don't see what's so hard to believe about this story or why everyone want's to kick these two guys to the curb after the years of awesome racing they've given us.
  • 14 6
 Or they were both caught doping using the same substance, and this ridiculous PR move was to blame someone else. Because you know, in ‘Merica it’s never your fault.
  • 11 3
 @westeast: because it's the internet and pb; it's not real life. All anyone does here is run their mouth. The amount he tested positive for was super low from what I remember. Richie is a good kid, hopefully this doesn't put a cloud over his past or future results.
  • 12 5
 @erod: yeah, I'm just disappointed with so many of the comments. I still think highly of Richie and Jared and find the story (as I understand it) to be very believable. Yes, Jared should be routinely checking to ensure the supplements he's taking are still not on the banned list and Richie probably should not be drinking from anyone's bottle but his own. However, I don't see the malicious intent to cheat from either guy in this case (assuming my understanding of the story is somewhat correct).
  • 3 1
 @westeast: totally agree. Foto the haters and "humorist", remember the amount of the banner stuff published in the interviews? If was true, was ridiculous amount.

So figure caffeine is banned, I drink a drop an thats the way I cheat? Man if l want to cheat, I'd drink at least a full cup... Dont understand why so difficult
  • 6 1
 @westeast: I think it sounds completely plausible and not at all surprising or odd.

Graves used a supplement with banned drugs in it, maybe he knew it had banned substances in it maybe he didn’t. Rude runs out of water and asks Graves for some of his. If Graves knew he had banned substances in the bottle what exactly is he going to say to Rude “sorry mate better not, I’m doping with it” or just yeah sure here you go thinking few swigs, it’ll be fine. Got that one wrong, got caught and brought his mate down with him. Then came clean to UCI, so they give a minimal sanction to Rude.
  • 2 2
 @westeast: probably because there has been enough doping in cycling that we know better?
  • 2 1
 @erod: Doesn't matter if it is super low. Oxi and Hig leave your system fast. Could have popped pills throughout race day. Could have always done this because there was no testing before. They are both DAY OF EVENT performance enhancing drugs (as opposed to TRAINING DRUGS like EPO, Steroids and HGH).
  • 6 2
 All I'm learning from this comment thread is that most of you have no idea what he tested positive for.
  • 7 2
 What a hilariously stupid excuse.
  • 11 6
 Stoked to see your back! Go kick some A$$ Richie! Shut these guys up
  • 8 12
flag SpecializedFTW (Jun 23, 2019 at 8:38) (Below Threshold)
 Shut these guys up? He’s a convicted doper. Thankfully every single result he ever gets will always have that asterisk beside it now.
  • 2 4
 @SpecializedFTW: doubtful...if he wins more than a couple podiums, and obviously tests clean, no one will care.
  • 5 4
 @phclaw: Dude got caught on the first organized doping control on the EWS. That says something.
  • 7 2
 Already looking forward to the Oprah interview.
  • 1 0
 I do not accept that an athlete racing at EWS level with full factory support and with feed stations on the course, would ever run our of water. Let's say it is even remotely true, a rider using a drugged bottle wouldn't offer that bottle to somebody else because it would almost certainly lead to them both being convicted. It is utter fabricated rubbish.
  • 9 9
 Nice, it's deep in the season already and I hope he feels he has something to prove. This will make for some good all out riding from a strong rider who is willing to send it. I hope PB has the cameras fixed on him. I've got a good feeling we will see something special once he gets comfortable.
  • 3 0
 The story does sound far fetched, but let's watch some racing. It will be interesting to see how the season stacks up Rude.
  • 5 1
 They all do it...Let's race!!
  • 1 0
 most truthfull comment yet
  • 4 0
 I love a good 'whodunnit?'!!
  • 7 4
 He seems like a good guy. Transparent efforts. I believe Richie. Best to him the rest of the EWS season.
  • 5 1
 Pssst ! Hey, kid ! Want some water ?
  • 3 0
 After reading these comments, I'd love to see the WhatsApp chat between Richie and Jared.
  • 1 0
 Wait, did they take a pre-workout on purpose without knowing the substances in it were banned (per Graves’ comment)? Or did they sip from “someone else’s bottle” (per Rudes’ comment)?
  • 8 5
 Whoa. No mention of god in his statement.
  • 7 4
 @gonecoastal Big Grin gwin wasn't available for the interviewBig Grin
  • 6 6
 Let me get this straight - You unknowingly drink from a water bottle of unknown origins and turn into a dominatrix enduro mountain biker? Too bad Stan Lee died - he'd back you up.
  • 3 7
flag phclaw (Jun 22, 2019 at 23:40) (Below Threshold)
 Lame analogy but whatever....
  • 3 1
 Naming the over-the-counter supplement would go a long way towards clearing his name, in the eyes of his fans...
  • 4 1
 Who wore their jawline better:
Richie Rudd or Curtis Keene?
  • 5 2
 Bring it on!! Maes can handle it!! A bottle yeah...right
  • 3 2
 As soon as someone test positive for a banned substance everyone jumps to steroids you could get banned for using an inhaler or a supplement over the counter..
  • 2 3
 Uh huh.
  • 1 0
 You can also clear testosterone from your system very quickly. I mean, I wouldn't know anything about beating collegiate WADA testing
  • 1 1
 Do you know the difference of testosterone a biker takes and a bodybuilder @Mntneer:
  • 1 0
 @hunter1031: anyone who is tested would probably rely on test suspension since its effects clear rapidly from the body. Otherwise, any test will do in the off season if youre not worried about giving a sample
  • 1 0
 @Mntneer: Roadies in stage races would apparently use transdermal patches at night after hard days of racing, in hopes of speeding recovery before subsequent stages.
  • 6 4
 That's a complete joke, sounds like the same story of Alberto Contador eating "tainted beef"
  • 3 2
 Tainted beef does exist. (Widespread in China )Including where he got tested( a vet ,body builder, and farmer got busted before his trial). They never used the beef excuse in contadors trial ( trial defense seemed like pr exercise to me) He got busted for a Clem which was in his blood from bag of blood from previous Clem use. There was blood bag plastisizer they couldn’t explain. One of the Schleck brothers stated the day blood was bagged and retacken.
  • 4 2
 Glad to hear you are back. I love all of the EWS racers but it just wasn’t the same without you.
  • 4 1
 YES!!!! Welcome back!!!!!
  • 5 4
 I think that most people would agree that eliminating all testing and allowing a performance enhancing drug free for all would be best for the sport
  • 2 0
 All Drug Olympics, here we come! www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU
  • 6 4
 I just look forward to seeing RR race again. All of this other shit is just brain damage and stupid.
  • 4 3
 Finally(although it would've been AWESOME to see RR compete in DH). The EWS was definitely a tad stagnant without him there-IMO
  • 3 1
 Totally agree
  • 3 0
 So – which EWS champions have been clean?
  • 5 1
 EWS = Everybody Wants Supplements
  • 5 2
 So stoked Richie is back!
  • 5 2
 Richie is back , fuck yeah !!
  • 1 2
 You would have to be very naive or a bit dumb, as a professional athlete to drink or eat anything that you don't know its origin...but can happen of course?! Didn't Graves also tested positive? Both drank from the same bottle then?
Still, I'm stoked he is back and I hope he gets to the top again.
  • 2 2
 Will take a couple of seasons of undoubtedly clean and crushing wins to take that one off. For now on, presumption of innocence for these folks is purely theoretical, I must say.
  • 4 1
 good, bouncing back and second chances.
  • 1 0
 SKS Anywhere (not exactly anywhere but yeah) Bottle Cage Adapter anyone? anyways this post only creates more questions than answers.
  • 1 0
 Sucks but you learn from experience! Hopefully this never happens again but if it should, then everyone knows he’s doping!!!!
  • 2 3
 lots....lots of hate I see here...common guys give Richie and @jaredgraves (specially him, we all know what he is going trough )....if the AFLD says that he is free to race, that´s it..give the guy a break, everybody knows how good he is, and honestly I don´t think he needs any special drug to be as good as he is...stop posting start riding, you bunch whining old ladies
  • 21 22
 Wow, so much hate. Life time ban for over the counter substance? Pathetic that you have so little respect for this guy who has been the best in the world at times. Really reflects on your own issues more than his.
  • 18 17
 #teamlance
  • 19 7
 @H3RESQ: Thanks for proving his point. EPO and steroids are not comparable in any way to pre-workout powder. Let's ban them all for drinking a couple cups of coffee before a stage!
  • 5 11
flag clink83 (Jun 23, 2019 at 10:56) (Below Threshold)
 @dualsuspensiondave: you do realize he tested positive for a beta agonist and an amphetamine right? You know, stuff just as bad as EPO?
  • 7 3
 @clink83: Hahahaha! That's hilarious. It's from OTC pre-workout. Nothing like EPO, you need to do some research before sounding that ignorant. They would be both banned for life for using EPO or anything like that.
  • 4 1
 @clink83: I can't tell if you are joking or not, because that comparison is ridiculous! If you're not joking, you need to start by defining what makes something "as bad as" something else.
  • 3 2
 You say pre-work out like we know what that means. A bunch of powders to help you get bigger muscles?

If someone wants to take drugs that are quickly excreted from the body and makes their heart beat really fast then that's fine with me. If my kids have to play the game of poisoning themselves for a shot at glory, then that's not OK with me.
These pseudo ephedrine's have killed many people! So the guy didn't get to race his bike down hills over the winter. So what?@dualsuspensiondave:
  • 3 2
 @Lugers: Pre-workout powder has nothing to do with increasing strength or the muscles. It's usually a combo of caffeine, BCAAs, citrulline, and some other compounds that may or may not be listed on the ingredient list. What that means to you is it's like an energy drink, but usually less harmful to the body.
  • 1 2
 @dualsuspensiondave: They're banned substances. It's against the rules. Coffee isn't. Making false equivalents is just silly and reductionist. They chose to compete by a certain set of rules, if they don't want to they don't have to race. Generally the philosophy behind banning substances is that they're thought to give an advantage at a potentially hazardous cost and athletes shouldn't be forced to make that choice. Accident or not, they gained what the rules say is an unfair advantage. Why is that so convoluted?
  • 2 2
 @matttauszik: There were no false equivalents made. What I'm telling you is factual. I have no connection to either one of those guys, or anybody at all really. I don't idolize people period. It's just the most blown out of proportion, ridiiculous accusation to say that drinking pre-workout powder before a stage is "doping". Marijuana is also a banned substance that they claim is performance enhancing and "doping". Sounds like the 1990s U.S. Government has come up with this. A bunch of uneducated people on here acting like these guys were sharing needles before a stage.
  • 2 2
 @dualsuspensiondave: They're false equivalents bc one is against the rules, and the others are not. Full stop. It's semantics you're arguing. As to the relative effects of what they tested for, if they don't really "do" anything, with us it so important for (some) riders to have them?
  • 4 4
 "trust me, my dudes, Just a sip of a fellow riders bottle. Not gonna tell you who's, just trust me" - " ok, sounds reasonable"
  • 1 1
 Quite recently I participated in a 5k corporate run and I had a sip from someone’s bottle! I will now proactively file my case to WADA AND NASA
  • 2 1
 Iam still telling you, bottle cage mounts are an evil, put a beer tap closer to stages
  • 4 3
 Desperate times called for desperate measures when the Belgian turned up the heat!
  • 3 3
 He beat him plenty of times before....
  • 3 0
 I came for the comments.
  • 2 0
 I bet gatorade would have passed the test
  • 5 4
 Whoever came with the bottle story in 2019 - WAKE UP u IDIOT!
  • 8 11
 So all it takes to beat a doping case is a barely plausible story? No wonder road and mountain cycle racing, along with most other professional sports, are such a joke.

“I drank from a competitor’s tainted bottle” isn’t just a terrible excuse, it’s a cowardly one as well. How about coming clean rather than throwing another rider under the doping bus, Richie “Lance” Rude?
  • 6 2
 So as many other people have said very well and intelligently here - you’re saying it was a conspiracy between French doping agency, ews, uci, yeti, rhino, and an American racer (RR) and JG to cover this all up? Comparing some small amounts of substances (which were just banned in 201Cool found in pre workout powders from one test - after years of clean tests - to Lance (years of methodical steroid/hgh doping)? Sure, go for it, Alex Jones.
  • 2 0
 Jared Graves is literally commenting on this post that it was his water bottle...
  • 2 1
 Never share water bottles, ever! Like always wear clean underwear!
  • 4 3
 Lots of armchairs around here today
  • 1 0
 BigToner I totally agree
  • 3 4
 "Accidental Ingestion"
Hahahaha, yeah, sure. It's like the Contador case again "oh guys I'm sorry, it was the steak"

What a bullshit story
  • 1 1
 I can't help but imagine the cruxification it would be, if the riders in question were european.
  • 18 20
 It was unintentional, an accident, after sharing another rider’s water. Lessons for every current and future athlete: you can never be too careful. Welcome back, Richie.
  • 13 10
 doesn't matter that it was accidental.
  • 10 1
 @mtb-scotland: the French authorities seem to have taken ‘accidental’ into consideration, so it sounds like it must’ve mattered in their decision making.
  • 7 1
 @mtb-scotland: yes it does. Ultimately these riders are responsible for what goes on there body but of course intent matters. If they determined it was not intentional it should absolutely be a lesser penalty than intentional use.

Do you think someone who accidentally shoots someone should be punished that same as someone who commits premeditated murder?
  • 3 2
 @sino428: not for drug testing. you are solely responsable for your intake hence why he was banned for 8 months.
  • 6 0
 @mtb-scotland: yea that fine, and he likely would have been banned longer if they had determined it was intentional. Which is how it should be.
  • 2 0
 @sino428: When the shooter is Dick Cheney....
  • 3 3
 "why does your water taste funny?" It's kombucha"....Oooohhhh gotcha,!
  • 2 2
 COMPUTER SAYS NO! (You can do better than that).
  • 2 2
 Still waiting to hear from O.J. about this...
  • 2 2
 I remember the time I ate a steak that was chocked full of clembuterol....
  • 2 1
 Inject marijuana
  • 1 0
 Richie Smash!!!
  • 4 4
 What a Bull... s
  • 1 3
 Will become worse, when UCI and EWS partnership die to boost doping investigation. All eyes closed.
  • 2 4
 Maybe the bottle just had the wrong type of contaminated mud on it. Then both riders are in the clear.
  • 5 6
 Bunch of pathetic whiny bitches!
  • 1 3
 EWS should change its name to Rynopower Enhanced Water Series, similar to Monster Energy Supercross.
  • 1 1
 With Improved "Vitamin"?
  • 2 2
 Enduro is just dope!
  • 3 5
 I blame the chemicals in the plastic,obviously reacted with the water ????
  • 2 2
 Should've gone 'BPA free'.. even if they cost a little more, its a good investment
  • 1 1
 Unfortunately the bpa free plastic bottles have the same effect as BPA @nordland071285:
  • 2 0
 @gcrider: Yeah, the BPA substitues are really just trading an old evil for a new one, with uncertain consequences. Did you ever see the Hydrapack Purebot bottles? They were certified to be free of Estrogenic Activity by PlastiPure, which seems like a more comprehensive testing method, but they seem to have disappeared from the market.
  • 1 0
 Lots(5+) articles in new scientists about bpa free plastic and its negative effects Also in national geographic. . The effects are similar to BPA. So trading old evil with the old evils little brother. That’s why the plastipure has disappeared I presume. The first BPAFREE plastic alternative paid for the testing to say it was safe. Scientific testing scams work by either purposefully poor study design or by results fraud. Glass is pretty safe to drink water out of but not on the bike. Or for the planet if you buy it in glass or the water in about half of the world, including clean green New Zealand . The good news is we are all going to die and the world is going to end sooner or later @thekaiser:
  • 2 4
 A.C.C.I.D.E.N.T.A.L Yeah right!!!
  • 5 7
 thats dope news
  • 8 11
 No more Yeti to buy. And EWS lost the cool down-to-earth riders-series
  • 3 1
 Just curious. Before this came out, how many Yeti's have you bought (new ones, buying a used bike isn't supporting the company)?
  • 1 1
 Not sure what planet you're on but Yeti is killing it
  • 6 9
 Cheater...ruining the sport for $$$.
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