Updated: Sam Hill Tests Positive for COVID-19 & Will Miss EWS Opening Round

May 28, 2022 at 3:25
by Ed Spratt  

The Nukeproof-SRAM Factory Racing Team has announced that Sam Hill will be missing the opening round of the 2022 EWS after a positive COVID-19 test.

Sam Hill tested positive for COVID-19 last week and following medical advice has chosen not to travel to the first round of the EWS in Scotland. After an off season of rehab from a shoulder injury Sam was all set to take on the Tweed Valley trails next week. Currently, the plan is for Sam to join the team for round 2 in Austria and Slovenia later in June.

bigquotesWe are sad to announce Nukeproof-SRAM Factory Racing athlete, Sam Hill will miss the first round of the EWS

Unfortunately, Sam tested positive for Covid-19 last week and the decision made with medical advice to not travel.

We are gutted for Sam and wish him and his family a huge get well soon and look forward to him joining the team fit and healthy for round 2 of the series.

After a huge off season of rehab from shoulder surgery and preparing for the season, Sam is truly sorry and gutted to miss the round. Whilst it’s no fault of his, he wanted to pass on his apologise to his fans and is looking forward to returning soon.

Nigel would personally like to thank all the teams amazing team sponsors for their support. The rest of the team are 100% ready and stoked to be back in the Tweed Valley, ready for next week’s event. Be sure to look out for @elliottheap @kelangrant @coreywatson1 @danbooker1 @louise_anna__ who will be hunting for the results in the new 2022 Nukeproof-Sram colours in the Tweed Valley, we can’t wait.
Nukeproof-SRAM Factory Racing Team

We wish Sam all the best and hope he is back racing soon.



Update:

Sam Hill has now shared a post on social media with a few more details on why he is missing the first round of the EWS.

bigquotesHey everyone, as you’ve all heard the news. It saddens me to announce that I won’t be making the first round of the 2022 EWS series and joining my team Nukeproof-SRAM Factory Racing due to some complications with asthma following contracting covid 2 weeks ago.

After being deemed unfit to race by my doctor, we have made the decision to give my body some more time to heal. It’s not a decision that was made lightly. The last two years for me have been a battle. Things out of my control keep preventing me from doing what I love. At the moment it feels like one setback after another, however it’s a battle I’m willing to fight and not give up on. I wouldn’t be me if I couldn’t put my all into my racing. Huge thank you to my sponsors and my team who give me the most support and always have my back.

This battle is not over, I will be on the hunt soon
Sam Hill





591 Comments

  • 496 295
 Not anti anything but when are we going to stop giving Covid this inflated sense of importance?
  • 123 172
flag rstwosix (May 28, 2022 at 3:48) (Below Threshold)
 WTF?
  • 92 76
 I just landed in Italy and there were several sick folks on my flight. Not sure why anyone cares about athlete traveling unless he is actually unfit to race. I guess it’s PR.

Seems most of the world has moved on. Wasn’t sure what to expect here, but so far lots of old signs saying masks required, and no one wearing them etc.
  • 282 23
 I had the same feeling towards it with how prevalent Omicron was/is. That said, I caught it at the start of the month and since then I've had ongoing heart and lung issues. A few people I know who have caught it this year have had long lasting effects similar to mine, so it seems like there can still be a sting in the tail with it. Pushing too hard too early in the recovery from it seems to set some people back to and can lead to worsening symptoms. I imagine a lot of teams wouldn't want to roll the dice of having a positive athlete coming in to the pits and possibly either worsening their own illness or passing it on to team mates/mechanics who may have a worse time of it.

It is a tricky one though - we do need to learn to live with it but it might be more prudent in some situations to still keep some form of isolation in place.
  • 107 145
flag wowoalmighty (May 28, 2022 at 3:52) (Below Threshold)
 I was antivax too until I passed COVID to my grandparents and they died
  • 99 1
 I think it was not just about testing positive for covid but "the decision made with medical advice to not travel".
There are quiet a few people that got problems with their heart and lung for many weeks due to getting back to full training intensity too soon. I think it's better to sit this round out and recover fully before you hurt yourself in the long run
  • 38 0
 @wowoalmighty: who mentions vaccination or anti vaccination?
  • 17 2
 @nvranka: moving on going to work, and having a normal easy life its ok.. elite athletes, different take…
  • 103 48
 @squiffybiker - I had this latest variant of Covid. There’s almost no way anyone is racing anything with this variant. A month after getting it, I couldn’t go more than 3 miles on the bike. I’ve never felt my lungs burn like that. It’s a serious illness, that needs to be taken seriously.
  • 235 5
 @nvranka: everyone is entitled to their own opinions, however we’ve the rest of the team, EWS village and family’s to consider and if we can do our bit to limit the spread of any sort of illness we will do. Just can’t wait to have him back when he’s fit and healthy.
  • 105 87
 @squiffybiker: When it stops killing millions of people, I'd venture to guess.
  • 101 8
 @CleanZine: tested positive on 1 April and I'm still getting asthma symptoms including full-on attacks in the night. I hadn't had asthma for years and never that severe. Now extrapolate that to a population with varying degrees of vulnerability - and add the myriad other possible symptoms - and anyone should understand it's no joke.
  • 85 156
flag RedBurn (May 28, 2022 at 4:46) (Below Threshold)
 BREAKING NEWS. I HAVE A COLD
  • 25 21
 Completely agree. It's strange that my country doesn't even provide testing facilities anymore and yet athletes still have a lot of mandatory testing which influences their career badly. "There's no way anyone races with covid" is just untrue. You can easily test positive without developing symptoms. And yes it still kills people but in the countries most of us lived in everyone had plenty of opportunities for vaccination. In the Netherlands influenza/flu is already killing more people then covid for the last few months. Yet, you don't test for that and infect your grandparents with it.
  • 17 37
flag mcozzy (May 28, 2022 at 4:50) (Below Threshold)
 @bashhard: yes there do seem to be some heart issues, not sure they are covid related though..
  • 3 5
 @Nukeproofinternational: sure i don’t disagree it is the decision of the team / athlete.
  • 6 6
 @wowoalmighty: that's very sad. What was it in hindsight, that made you be antivax. I suppose consequences like that were well advocated in your country as well. I'm asking because everything is calm now in Austria, vaccinations are scaringly low at the moment, and the government started discussing the abandon the just recently agreed upon on "mandatory vaccination" before the important time window for it - late summer, early autumn - even started.
  • 10 0
 He might just feel shit with it
  • 24 16
 @dualsuspensiondave: everyone is different. I had delta last summer, which was supposed to be the worst. I tested positive on a Monday and was riding in Angel Fire on Friday. I never even coughed a single time. The mild fever and headache was bothersome tho
  • 22 0
 The issue is that if Sam was in Australia at the time of getting a positive COVID result then he basically is not allowed to get on an international flight. No international airline will take someone who has tested positive in the 48 hours before a flight... certainly from Australia anyway. And those airlines require proof of a negative test before they'll issue a boarding pass...
  • 20 33
flag HardtailHerold (May 28, 2022 at 5:52) (Below Threshold)
 My family has had it twice this year and we just felt tired for a couple of days. I was shocked to find I need a negative test to get into Italy. There are like 20 actives cases in this country.
  • 63 97
flag humoroususername (May 28, 2022 at 5:59) (Below Threshold)
 @wowoalmighty: cool, there is now overwhelming evidence that triple vaccinated people are much more likely to test positive for Covid than unvaccinated but whatever you want to believe yourself....
  • 82 2
 Are they giving Covid an inflated sense of importance here, or are they reporting Sam Hill will not be competing and simply stating why? Dude’s sick. Can’t compete.
  • 29 0
 @CleanZine: I also had it at the beginning of may and it really messed me up. Healthy 21 year old with decent lungs and heart rate, healthy diet, etc. I did a really big day on the bike followed by some partying a couple days before I knew I was positive which left me with less to fight with. Took almost two weeks to get symptom free and my lungs don’t feel the same now and get chest pains after high heart rate bursts, not stoked on it.
  • 71 64
 A yes, the "covid is just the flu" anti-truthers still prevalent on PB. What will the mods do about it?
  • 28 69
flag ashlemon (May 28, 2022 at 6:43) (Below Threshold)
 @matadorCE: covid is just the vaxx
  • 25 6
 @wowoalmighty: sorry for your loss. Don't get the downvoting
  • 10 3
 At some point, as a society, yep, we are going to have to get passed it, treat it as a medical condition. I don't know if we are there yet...it feel close. But if this said he caught the flu, and made a decision based on his prognosis not to travel...we would all say, damn, sucks... Point being, this seems to be a personal, team decision. The discussion deservers nuance.
  • 128 0
 Isn’t avoiding travel when you’re sick just basic human decency?
  • 3 3
 @dualsuspensiondave: would expect this from rigidsinglespeeddave, but not you dually... you used to be a wildman... where did it all go sideways?
  • 37 70
flag StewartHowe (May 28, 2022 at 7:25) (Below Threshold)
 Answer: When we learn that there is, same as it ever was, a real issue with ever evolving strains of influenza like illness that unfortunately, have real negative impacts on us; yet, more importantly, these issues are being conflated and spun by equally real social engineering puppeteers, with sinister motives to use this manufactured "crisis" to consolidate profit and control over the general population. When we muster the backbone to face these self appointed "ruling class" con artists and call BS on the Psy Op they're selling, THAT'S when it will stop.
  • 5 32
flag robway (May 28, 2022 at 7:27) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: night time asthma is often caused by heartburn/indigestion. Even if you don’t feel symptoms of heartburn or think you don’t have. Try a round of Zantac generic equivalent.
  • 66 73
flag humoroususername (May 28, 2022 at 7:29) (Below Threshold)
 I love how people just down vote my claim that vaccinated people are less likely to test positive for Covid than vaccinated. Its a cult and people resent anyone who isn't a member of this cult. The data is showing that people who have been vaccinated more than 5 months ago are testing positive at twice the rate of unvaccinated people and people who have been vaccinated within the last 5 months are testing positive 50% more than the unvaccinated.

Here's the source which shows that the vaccinated in the USA are testing positive at a rate double that of the unvaccinated. I guess Walgreens are just a bunch of antivax nuts, eh? This hasn't been about Science for a very long time....

www.walgreens.com/images/adaptive/pharmacy/healthcenter/b2b/pdfs/Aegis_Wag_COVID_Surveillance_20210827_Update_20220511.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiHkPnEsoL4AhVKXcAKHW6DDDMQFnoECAsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1QvvAlpKq49ckwZr0qQ6ip
  • 48 3
 How is someone testing positive and deciding not to travel international giving it an inflated sense of importance? The world is back spinning and the guidelines in most western countries have relaxed. Don't go to work if your sick, simple as that.
  • 38 68
flag StewartHowe (May 28, 2022 at 7:34) (Below Threshold)
 @boozed: Seasonal influenza variants have been killing millions of people annually for a long, long, time. What's new here is a very real global power grab under the guise of a health crisis which is being conflated and hyped up to help sell their BS system of control, increased profit by consolidated corporate interests, and yes, depopulation with this blood clot and heart enlarging death jab being sold as a "vaccine", which by definition, it is not. It is an experimental gene therapy injection which is now killing and injuring millions world wide. Sad but true.
  • 38 3
 I'm 3 weeks out from first symptoms. I still can't do anything more than easy pedalling without feeling short of breath and my heart rate staying elevated when I stop. Some people don't have issues, some people do. If Sam is sick and doesn't want to push too hard before being 100% recovered, I respect that
  • 30 31
 It’s crippling 1/5th of the people it infects. What would it need to do to become important, in your opinion? Cripple half of us? Please be specific.
  • 15 5
 @Mntneer: wonder how many people you infected. testing positive yet
being asymptomatic yet still going out in public.
  • 48 24
 What makes a disease serious? Here’s an article from the CDC that says 1 in 5 adults have long term COVID damage. You can hide from this reality by downvoting.

www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7121e1.htm
  • 45 16
 @humoroususername: so seeing how you are cherry picking this article, I will show you where your flaws are in this argument.

Something I don't see in this paper - how many people were included in the study and what was the distribution compared to cases in those areas (were a lot of the negatives living unvaccinated in spread out rural areas for example).

-Although lower (2% difference) for unvaccinated, the report specifies that most people taking the rapid test were from rural areas with lower covid numbers.

-Unvaccinated people were more likely to report getting covid more than once.

-You failed to discuss the whole part about how much more significantly the unvaccinated group experienced significant symptoms compared to vaccinated.
  • 4 1
 @RedBurn: It's probably something else. You were in Antwerp weren't you?
  • 3 12
flag Mntneer (May 28, 2022 at 8:19) (Below Threshold)
 @weebleswobbles: literally none. I tested negative on Thursday
  • 4 16
flag Mntneer (May 28, 2022 at 8:19) (Below Threshold)
 @weebleswobbles: ya f*cking dork
  • 5 5
 @wowoalmighty: with you being vaxxed or not, it wouldn't have mattered
  • 13 18
flag KeithShred (May 28, 2022 at 8:53) (Below Threshold)
 It's all a show so people can feel safe and belong to their chosen tribe.
  • 10 11
 @matadorCE: it's called freedom if speech
  • 33 51
flag humoroususername (May 28, 2022 at 9:15) (Below Threshold)
 @Strath-cona: "cherry picking" a favourite buzzword for those who can't accept other explanations or arguments.

While we are at it, let's debunk your lies and misrepresentations of what I said:

- "Although lower (2% difference) for unvaccinated"

5% positivity rate vs 7.5% positivity rate is not a 2% difference, its a 50% difference. There is no way you do not know exactly what you are doing by misrepresenting that.

- "the report specifies that most people taking the rapid test were from rural areas with lower covid numbers. "

The percent living in a rural area for the unvaccinated cohort is 30% and 23% for the vaccinated. This does not even remotely come close to explaining a 50% difference in positivity rates. Again, there is no way you do not k ow that this isn't the significant factor in these statistics.

"-Unvaccinated people were more likely to report getting covid more than once."

The paper does not say that...and you accuse me of cherry picking when you literally make up something which isn't even in the paper at all. Nowhere in that paper does it say that the unvaccinated are more likely to get Covid more than once. In fact there are multiple papers out there showing the opposite as natural immunity is much stronger than the vaccine which only targets the spike protein which has mutated significantly at this stage.

Let me guess....you won't acknowledge any of these facts and will choose to stick rigidly to your beliefs.
  • 25 42
flag markar (May 28, 2022 at 9:20) (Below Threshold)
 The clownvid 19 hoax will never end it seems.
  • 3 1
 @Mntneer: haha sho nuff!. Glad you were healthy and able to go riding! Cheers
  • 2 3
 @humoroususername: fyi the link doesn’t take me anywhere
  • 9 20
flag humoroususername (May 28, 2022 at 10:08) (Below Threshold)
 @ZanderShredsMtb: that's why i posted it again directly below and that one works.
  • 3 15
flag Fix-the-Spade (May 28, 2022 at 10:15) (Below Threshold)
 When it kills fewer than 1 in 50 unvaccinated infectees...
  • 13 7
 @RedBurn: BREAKING NEWS: YOU'RE AN IGNORANT DUMBASS
  • 9 8
 @Strath-cona: you are too intelligent and critical thinking for this conversation. Please leave.
  • 3 11
flag KK11 (May 28, 2022 at 10:25) (Below Threshold)
 ….maybe have a COVID division for all races and see how that goes. Let ‘em race still if they want to and adjust the points as needed.

Just sayin…..
  • 4 8
flag mm732 (May 28, 2022 at 10:34) (Below Threshold)
 @StewartHowe: well said
  • 2 8
flag matadorCE (May 28, 2022 at 10:36) (Below Threshold)
 @SurfNC: spoken like a true smooth brained simpleton
  • 17 30
flag humoroususername (May 28, 2022 at 10:51) (Below Threshold)
 @ekho: I take it you missed the part where I rebut everything he wrote and show how he is misrepresenting data and making up stuff? He clearly lies about what the link I sent says and you just choose to believe he is being logical and intelligent? What is wrong with you? How have so many people just completely lost the ability to take a balanced approach to discussing important issues? It's mind numbing how people just cling to positions as if it defines them as a person and anyone who goes against their position must be stupid....
  • 28 11
 @humoroususername: How's that armchair scientist job workin' out for ya bud? The eight PhD's and practitioners that wrote that Omicron update you're citing come to a different conclusion than you in their Discussion and Conclusion sections. Guess they're wrong and not good at their jobs, right?
  • 5 5
 @humoroususername: Thanks for trying though. Always remember They Live was a documentary.
  • 20 33
flag humoroususername (May 28, 2022 at 11:11) (Below Threshold)
 @jstnrt: pretty good. I've trusted my common sense and decent intellect to sniff out bullshit for a long time. More people should try it.

You know Walgreens is a pharmacy right? Yet you seem surprised that they have come to the conclusion that people should continue to take a pharmaceutical product that has made them billions over the last year? You know all the anti climate change papers submitted and published by people on the payroll of oil companies and the like are also PhD graduates too, yeah? I take it we shouldn't question anything they say either?
  • 18 12
 @humoroususername: I agree with you, climate change denial: bullshit. Also, vaccines are THE cause of more covid cases: bullshit.
  • 15 8
 I was thinking we should stop giving cancer, heart disease, and gun violence an inflated importance. Like the only kill millions of people, who cares? My slight inconvenience and neglecting my scientific illiteracy is so much more important
  • 19 9
 @StewartHowe: Yes seasonal flu has killed many people, so has many other things. But so far globally, while trying our collective best to mitigate the spread of COVID we've seen 6.29 million people die from covid. That's not a small number of people. And that's what we know for numbers, so while the vaccine may not be perfect much like any medication or vaccine it's doing more to help than it hurts.
  • 9 11
 @Corvcycleguy: some recent preprint claims vaccine (mrna) had no effect on all cause mortality.. i.e. it helped as much as it hurt
  • 6 8
 @HardtailHerold: we went to Italy a few weeks ago (from UK), Gov website said we needed neg or vax cert but nobody asked to see them, just passport and boarding pass, business as usual. I completely understand alot of people being worried (sometimes for good reason) but I feel we need to get back to normality, and going on holiday for the first time in 3yrs felt just that.
  • 14 6
 So health is overrated? There is going to be a lot more of this in the next month. Shit is everywhere. I just copped a case and it sucks balls.
  • 8 0
 @KK11: Oh, so it turns to Race, does it? From the guy with the very clever username: 'KK11' LOL
  • 3 0
 @dualsuspensiondave: Sorry, man. Sounds like you're got it rougher than me. I'm a little more three weeks out now and there's still a slight sting in my lungs too. Rest up and I hope you recover fully.
  • 2 11
flag chrscshly (May 28, 2022 at 13:34) (Below Threshold)
 Totally agree. Achew. O just sneeze.. need to be tested.
  • 1 0
 [double post]
  • 2 0
 @TannerValhouli: Sorry to hear that man. Similar boat as you (save for being almost twice your age). I'm about 3.5 weeks since my cough and sore throat cleared up. About 1.5 weeks since "the fatigue" cleared up. I still feel like my heart rate spikes more easily than it used to. But maybe I just need to get back into shape ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hope things get back to normal for you soon.
  • 17 17
 @Corvcycleguy: "we've seen 6.29 million people die from covid" is that from, or with ..
  • 16 6
 Yesterday gun control, today covid... Can’t wait what we have for tomorrows discussion… Transgender mountainbike athletes? Or a good old racism discussion? Or maybe let’s leave the politics for what it is?
  • 9 3
 @cvoc: you forgot “how female XC racers present themselves on social media”
  • 8 7
 @Mtmw: So, the article says, "experienced at least one incident condition that might be attributable to previous COVID-19." Might be attributable. It doesn't say 1 in 5 have long term COVID damage - that's the reality. COVID injured a lot of people, but that was exponentially compounded by poor health and pre-existing conditions.
  • 6 8
 @mm732: Thank you. It's not an easy thing to make a forthright and factual statement about, without triggering the unstable and ignorant minions to throw a temper tantrum. Props much appreciated.
  • 6 12
flag jtnotsure (May 28, 2022 at 14:45) (Below Threshold)
 @markar: sheep gonna sheep
  • 13 26
flag StewartHowe (May 28, 2022 at 14:46) (Below Threshold)
 @weebleswobbles: Unless your beliefs shut your mind off to game changing truths about this topic, I strongly suggest that you find through an unfortunately difficult internet search to get past the censors and memory holes, the INVENTOR of the PCR "test", Dr. Cary Mullis (spelling?) explaining how his PCR assay IS NOT A TEST AND CAN NOT BE USED TO DETECT A VIRUS, BECAUSE IT AMPLIFIES WHATEVER IS BEING LOOKED FOR BY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE, AND LITERALLY ANYTHING CAN BE FOUND USING IT, RENDERING IT USELESS FOR DETECTING A DISESE SOURCE, YET PERFECT FOR FABRICATING CONFIRMATION OF ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO FIND. The President of one nation that called BS on this fraud and hoax, had tests confirm that supplied samples of motor oil, ox blood, and kiwi fruit ALL TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID 19. He was assassinated soon after, and a sock puppet globalist was put in his place. You might want to learn how to find and confirm source documentation and then adjust your beliefs according to the reality these facts unveil. Do your own research. Learn how to use The Trivium; or remain ignorant and played for a fool.
  • 3 10
flag FoesKnows (May 28, 2022 at 14:47) (Below Threshold)
 @matadorCE: All them to speak their truth and not de-platform them one hopes for the goodness of humanity and fear of Authoritarian state.
  • 20 1
 @humoroususername: do those numbers account for who chooses to get tested? I'm not a statistician, but just off the cuff, wouldn't you think in general someone who is vaccinated and very sensitive to the repercussions of not knowingly spreading covid is a bit more likely to get tested if symptomatic then someone who chose not to get vaxxed in the first place? Problem is with these studies/articles is the numbers can be easily tweaked, or interpreted, one way vs another depending on your views, agenda; whether you're conscious of that or not.
  • 1 2
 @CleanZine: f*ck that
  • 19 8
 @StewartHowe: did you eat paint chips as a kid?
  • 17 25
flag humoroususername (May 28, 2022 at 15:21) (Below Threshold)
 @jstnrt: no, you said that people with PhD level qualifications should be listened to above anyone else. People who don't have a PhD shouldn't be listened to.

But you suddenly don't approve of that message? Why?

"Also, vaccines are THE cause of more covid cases: bullshit." there is literally a study linked which shows exactly that but you call bullshit...so intelligent. There are many more studies showing exactly the same thing. Ireland had the second highest rate of vaccinated population in Europe last winter and it also had the highest number of daily covid cases for months on end. It was incredible, Ireland went from 2-3000 cases per day and then after the booster campaign they suddenly started having 20-40k cases a day and it correlates almost perfectly with uptake of the booster. Similar story in Portugal which is by far the most vaccinated country in Europe. Their daily cases are through the roof and have been for months. Its amazing how you can't even fathom that this could be a real hypothesis.

I'm willing to admit there could be other explanations but I haven't really seen any.
  • 10 15
flag Naturalbornshaper (May 28, 2022 at 15:35) (Below Threshold)
 In Australia thé gouvernemant is probably the most fanatic in the World .. .they're completely crasy!
  • 9 2
 @bashhard: I’m a year on from having the Delta variant and I’m still having lung issues. The last time I was able to see a doctor in person they thought that I had developed asthma. Unfortunately there’s also a shortage of family doctors/GPs in BC right now, so I haven’t been able to have a follow up to confirm this
  • 3 12
flag DavidGuerra (May 28, 2022 at 15:52) (Below Threshold)
 @humoroususername: I haven't looked at the studies you mentioned so I won't comment on that, but regarding "other explanations": Vaccinated people feel protected and take less protective measures, despite the fact that the vaccine only offers a 50% protection (or less with the latest variants). Using an FFP2 mask on the other hand, offers a 98% protection from any variant. So there. Masks are the most important factor, and the unvaccinated use them more.
  • 8 4
 @matadorCE: are you suggesting a ban? May as well ban religious people too. I suggest the mods ride their bikes and leave censorship to other areas of the media.
  • 13 26
flag Naturalbornshaper (May 28, 2022 at 16:05) (Below Threshold)
 @DavidGuerra: all the countrys with masques and vacc mandates are the same countrys fighting against covid today.

Masques and jabs are'nt the solution...th're the problem!
  • 9 2
 @Naturalbornshaper: Just like when put on a bandaid you have a cut?
  • 12 13
 @Naturalbornshaper: I will never resort to PB's infantile "shut the F up" feature (the downvote), but your opposition to masks is ignorant, condemnable and... also incomprehensible, so feel free to explain.
  • 7 19
flag Naturalbornshaper (May 28, 2022 at 16:29) (Below Threshold)
 @DavidGuerra: are you stupid at a point that you trust in a story that IS completely différente ase réality?
  • 12 10
 @humoroususername: You're twisting my words, I never typed nor implied what you've typed about ONLY listening to PhDs. I'm liable to think you're just a troll.

But giving you the benefit of the doubt, this seems like the reasonable situation/explanation to me, and I'd be interested to see what you think of it:
Omicron variant has been found to be more transmissible than earlier variants, and this a usual result of virus mutation. It started popping up around October of last year, coincidentally around the same time that many people around the world were getting their 2nd or 3rd shot of the vaccine. No vaccine nor natural immunity is 100% immunity, so, definitely some of those vaccinated people are still going to get sick.

On top of this, in the data in the study that you linked, vaccinated people tended to be less likely to live in rural areas, live in higher positivity rate counties, and were more likely to report close contact with someone who had the virus. You can glean from this information that vaccinated people tended to live in higher population areas AND were more careless about protective measures. I can through anecdotal evidence say that has 100% been the case for me.

I don't buy that there's a worldwide conspiracy to keep us under a worthless needle for profit. There are just as many studies out there that show correlation between being vaccinated and reduced lethality.
  • 7 1
 @Naturalbornshaper: Almost everyone I know has caught this thing. Lucky you if that isn't your reality.
  • 9 15
flag Turboute (May 28, 2022 at 17:13) (Below Threshold)
 @humoroususername: looks like the truth triggers people
  • 6 0
 *Massive eyeroll at the sheer ignorance*
  • 1 9
flag waldo-jpg (May 28, 2022 at 17:40) (Below Threshold)
 Fuck you
  • 1 0
 Well I guess that's that
  • 7 21
flag willdavidson9595 (May 28, 2022 at 18:29) (Below Threshold)
 Exactly, "Sam Hill gets very mild case of the flu"
  • 13 8
 @watchtower: I'm perfectlyfine with a ban on religious talk too. Go discuss your sky wizard or whatever you believe somewhere else. Its the "boys will be boys" attitude that is a huge part of the problem.
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flag tacklingdummy (May 28, 2022 at 20:02) (Below Threshold)
 @CleanZine: Are you vaccinated? If you are vaccinated, how do you know that the heart and lung issues are from COVID and not the vaccines?
  • 4 10
flag the-burd (May 28, 2022 at 20:04) (Below Threshold)
 @Nukeproofinternational: So if someone has a cold...
  • 2 10
flag CarterLayne (May 28, 2022 at 21:00) (Below Threshold)
 IKR. I’m honestly sick of it.
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flag CarterLayne (May 28, 2022 at 21:03) (Below Threshold)
 @dualsuspensiondave: it’s not that it’s not serious. I got it and I was over it in 3 days. My mom however was in the hospital for. Month and on the vent for 10 days. The reality of it is that different people get hit differently. Masks are BS and they don’t do squat. My mom was wearing a mask and got it from my uncle who’s vaccinated.
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 @nvranka: Only death is real
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flag Lagr1980 (May 28, 2022 at 23:11) (Below Threshold)
 @Smokey79: "nobody asked to see them, just passport and boarding pass".. this is the typical example of enforcement to comply.. and not to abide because its asked to.. but this is a pub conversation over many beers..and this thread is on covid.. cheers my fellow brit.
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 @the-other-skier: I feel for you! I'm the same - got Delta July 21 and only just now starting to feel back to normal. No pre existing conditions, good sporting lifestyle, very much proof that you can't tell who's going to suffer bad effects.

To my mind, Sam opting to stay home and recover properly is the sensible choice - he's got to think about long term health effects, how that impacts his future earning potential if he doesn't be sensible and recover properly, plus the human decency factor of not risking passing it on to others.
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 @matadorCE: what is the problem, according to you?
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 @CarterLayne: with respect, covering the face with something, even your arm, is better than not doing so. When one talks, particles come out. If they hit a face covering they're not hitting someone else's face. It's pretty obvious.
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 @Nukeproofinternational: apologies not apologise?
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flag humoroususername (May 29, 2022 at 0:06) (Below Threshold)
 @jstnrt: thanks for assuming I'm a troll...trolls generally don't go into this much detail. I don't really buy into the results of many studies about masks being incredibly useful at slowing the spread because they are so contradicted by the reality I see before me.

In Ireland we had mandatory masking with very high compliance rates (I can barely ever remember seeing anyone in shops not complying with the mask mandate) highest booster uptake in Europe, unvaccinated people not allowed into restaurants, pubs, cinemas, etc and it is a country with a very high rural population, very low levels of public transportation usage, etc. And still we had the highest case numbers in Europe all through December, January and February. Then suddenly and shockingly we removed the restrictions completely and the numbers didn't really change at all. We had doom sayers and experts telling us it was premature and a wave of death would overwhelm hospitals within 2 weeks but it never happened. Almost nothing they ever claimed would happen came to pass.

Regarding unvaccinated people I can only really speak for myself and a few other friends who I know are unvaccinated. My vaccinated girlfriend had covid and I spent every single night with her when she had it yet I never got it. I have another friend who tried his best to get it so he could get a cert to allow him travel to Canada fro skiing and he could not get it despite drinking with friends who actively were positive. My brother hasn't caught it despite not shielding or taking excessive measures to not get it. My parents haven't caught it and they didn't get the booster. In fact not a single person I know who is unvaccinated has caught covid in the last few months yet almost everyone I know who has had the vaccine or booster has tested positive. I would assume we have all had covid and never knew it so therefore have quite strong natural immunity at this point. We are three years into this thing and I still don't know a single person who has been seriously ill from Covid or who has had "long covid".

There is good evidence out there that this is due to natural immunity being superior and the vaccines only targeting spike proteins.

Here is a link to a new paper, published by a very reputable source which shows the mechanism of why vaccinated people are now getting infected at much higher rates than the unvaccined.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.18.22271936v1.full

TL;DR - unvaccinated people with natural immunity have far higher levers of anti-nucleocapsid antibodies than people who have been vaccinated. This is a secondary line of defence against a virus and protects the body against parts of the virus which are slower to mutate than the spike protein. Once the spike protein mutates significantly then the mrna jabs are useless as we have seen with omicron. An unvaccinated person with a mild infection had a 71 percent chance of mounting an immune response that included those antibodies. A vaccinated person had about a 15 percent chance.

Only in cases of severe infection and very high viral loads did the difference narrow significantly; in those cases all unvaccinated people and most of the vaccinated had anti-nucleocapsid antibodies.

So no....its not "bullshit" to claim that vaccines may be weakening peoples ability to create long term immunity to covid. Its based on science and people should be skeptical when profit driven experts continually make predictions which do not come through.
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 @humoroususername: I just spent about 1 minute quickreading your "study". Besides this being an unreviewed corporate report (i.e. not actual "science") says absolutely nothing about the effect of the vaccination on your likelihood to get infected. It merely shows that at Walgreens vaccinated people more often get PCR tests while non-vaccinated get rapid tests. The likely reason for that being that the vaccinated get a test because they have symptoms or have been exposed to an infected person (i.e. more likely to be positive) while unvaccinated are more likely get tested "just to be sure" (i.e. less likely to be positive)... So in short this report has significant selection bias in it's samples and mixes different test types which make the results completely inconclusive. Better look at some proper science that has very clearly shown in loads of studys that the vaccination works...
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 @humoroususername: That's a lot of honest information and a lot less trolly than our last interactions and I appreciate that, you bring up good points. I will definitely read this paper.
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 @pilsz: isn't that convenient that you posted at exactly the moment I posted a link to "proper science" that shows the precise mechanism through which people who have been vaccinated lack certain types of immune protection and are prone to reinfetion through varient....enjoy spending more than 1 minute skim reading this one.

@jstnrt no problem. I hate how people resort to calling others trolls when they disagree. Disagreeing is a good thing. People shouldn't cling on to beliefs so steadfastly. Science is always changing. Almost nothing is "settled science". Particularly when it comes to a rapidly mutating novel virus.
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 @humoroususername: This was was quite easy to work out. Unvaccinated people are obliged to have tests for travel etc so there will be people having tests only because they have to. Vaccinated people will probably only get test if they have symptoms.
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 @korev: Vaccinated people have to get tested for the same things that unvaccinated people have to get tested. Flights, work, etc.
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 @CarterLayne, @jaame: There isn't zero benefit in covering the face with a piece of cloth or a surgical mask, but unfortunately most people don't realize that their effectiveness against infection is actually similar. They don't keep the virus from passing through, but only reduce the speed at which is is projected from the infected person's mouth. Only FFP2 masks and above actually provide an effective protection against infection. This also explains a lot, because I see a lot of people using surgical masks, thinking that they are an effective protection.
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flag bchampig (May 29, 2022 at 2:53) (Below Threshold)
 @humoroususername: You speak the truth. Unfortunately, COVID hysteria is the new religion so good luck changing anyone’s opinion.
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 @bashhard: ask Kyle Warner, Segio Aguero Barcelona and many other vaccinated athletes about heart issues...
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 @wowoalmighty: very sorry for your loss but even if you were vaccinated you still could’ve done that. All the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms not prevent transmission.
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flag PauRexs (May 29, 2022 at 3:28) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: please any guys with any symptoms clarify first if you were experimental injected or not...
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 @willdavidson9595: Exactly. "Very mild case of flu" or how Sam calls it:
" I won’t be making the first round of the 2022 EWS and joining my team due to some complications with asthma following contracting covid 2 weeks ago. After being deemed unfit to race by my doctor, we have made the decision to give my body some more time to heal."
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flag PauRexs (May 29, 2022 at 3:32) (Below Threshold)
 @TheR: Hilarious how a supposed "sick atlete" goes compete internationally without even realize he is sick and maybe probably placing high rank...
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flag PauRexs (May 29, 2022 at 3:34) (Below Threshold)
 @humoroususername: our words get burned by the " Inquisitor pinkers"...
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 I just tested positive with this variant about 12 days ago. I’m a very healthy person. This thing had me flat on my back. I was so sick I actually had to contemplate whether or not it was worth expending the energy to get to the damn bathroom. I’m now 12 days out from first positive test. Tested negative yesterday. Unfortunately my breathing sucks now and I’m wracked with horrible coughing fits every morning and evening. This thing is no joke and it takes time to recover. I can easily see how this could put people in the hospital if they’d gotten it worse. Everyone may be “done with it” at this point, and I get that. But it’s not done with us.
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 @jaame: the same thing as in other social media, which PB technically qualifies. Posts that are homophobic, transphobic, racists, xenophobic, misogynistic, and as of 2 years ago antivaxx and pro-misinformation get inadequate moderation.
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 @Mntneer: People are certainly different. But that’s nothing like the current delta and omicron combination variant. Delta was said to be worse than omicron, but not this delta and omicron variant. This version of omicron brings a serious attack on the heart and lungs on top of the mild fever. Every person that I’ve known to have it started with the same respiratory component. Not only is it way easier to transmit, it attacks every system in the body.
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flag humoroususername (May 29, 2022 at 5:58) (Below Threshold)
 @fattyheadshok: you are very likely vitamin D deficient in that case. Vitamin D deficiency is a problem for most people who get seriously sick with Covid. Have you been supplementing?
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flag jaame (May 29, 2022 at 6:05) (Below Threshold)
 @DavidGuerra: I get your point but it's percentage gains in my opinion. Wearing a mask might offer 1% more protection than no mask. It might be 10%. If my boss tells me I'm getting a 1% salary increase I'm not going to say no, there's no point.
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 @matadorCE: freedom
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 @TannerValhouli: go see a cardiologist. I ended up with pericarditis after Covid with similar symptoms as you. It’s fairly easy to treat with specific anti-inflammatory medications, just need to take them for a few months. Untreated pericarditis can cause damage. My cardiologist sees a lot of young healthy people post-Covid. At the time, he said he gets 8-12 new patients a week post-Covid in his small mountain town practice.
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 Which part of "deemed unfit to race by my doctor" do you not understand?

What's your next hot take? "When are we going to stop giving dislocated shoulders this inflated sense of importance"?
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flag pistol2ne (May 29, 2022 at 7:09) (Below Threshold)
 @jstnrt: the covid vaccine goes into negative efficacy after 6 months for infections. It still keeps people out of the hospital which the important part.
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 @Mtmw: I don’t think the CDC has any credibility left after misrepresentation of the statistics!

Healing vibs to Sam, we can’t wait to see you mixing it up on the trail.
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 @matadorCE: What we have seen the last few years is that the so-called conspiracy theorist's misinformation on many different issues has been correct a lot of the time. So there's that.
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 @matadorCE: buzzword, buzzword, I am very intelligent, buzzword. Problematic. Buzzword. Misinformation.

Thank you for protecting all of the stupid and naive people from dangerous information that only clever people like you can see. You provide a vital role in society and like all censors throughout history will be totally benevolent and wise.
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 @Nukeproofinternational: thank you for doing the right thing. If he feels remotely like I did for a month after, its also the right personal choice to recuperate first.
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 @RedBurn: breaking news. Nobody knows who you are or would miss you at an event.
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 @fattyheadshok: sucky indeed
I tested positive February '21. My fever and shitty feeling was gone in 5 days.It took 6 months to regain my Arobic threshold. Then another 3 months of riding 2-3 days a week to recover the skillz.
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 @bocomtb: @bocomtb: Not in today's society. Today everything is about me and my closest surroundings
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 @rivercitycycles: Thank you anonymous forum poster for letting me know that the CDC is not an authority on the topic of infectious disease. Who should I trust instead, CIDRAP or Russia Today? Please be specific.
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 @wowoalmighty: Newsflash, the vaxx doesn’t stop infection or transmission.
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flag pistol2ne (May 29, 2022 at 9:58) (Below Threshold)
 @Mtmw: the cdc that said it was less racist the virus came from a bush meat market instead of a US funded lab, that the you can't get covid if you're vaxxd, the cdc that said cloth masks do anything. That cdc? Lol
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 @Mtmw: Oh gasp - you might have to develop some critical thinking skills and exercise some discernment all on your own - cause it's pretty obvious at this point who you can't trust.
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 @fattyheadshok: Hang in there, man. I hope you kick all the residual symptoms soon. People don't seem to realize or care that it affects different people differently, regardless of vax status.
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 @boozed: This. Here in Australia, more people died from covid in the first four months of 2022 than the two years prior.

I had covid and the symptoms were minor, as they are for man. However, anecdotal evidence does not equate to fact.

Covid is serious shit for a lot of people even if it isn’t for everyone.
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flag mcozzy (May 29, 2022 at 13:56) (Below Threshold)
 @bce: so after the vax then? Hmm makes you think, or maybe not.
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 @jaame: yeah, feeedom to keep being a crap human being apparently
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 @tacklingdummy: soooo you want that type of stuff freely discussed on a mountian biking website????
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 @humoroususername: found the 14-year old pretending to be a grown-up.
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 OK here's my take for anyone still listening. COVID found the sweet spot for chaos. Think about it, if the virus was more deadly, everyone would be on the same page, no matter the cost. If it were any less serious, nobody would care. It managed to be just bad enough to cause the worst possible response by us humans.
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 @matadorCE: up in the sky, is it a bird? is it a plane? No, it's Banman.
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 @bluemonkeywrench: look on the bright side. people of a certain political persuasion have latched onto this anti-vax thing so hard they are literally offing themselves. and they've dug in so hard that they may die in greater numbers in some future even more-deadly pandemic. at least one can hope, anyway.
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 @Mtmw: It won't be real until it cripples Tucker Carlson
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 @suspended-flesh: *ucker carlson? guaranteed that hypocrite is vaxxed. no, it may take some good 2A people to cripple that treasonous pos.
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 @Bikerphx: Then why are the cases and deaths higher in most countries after the vaccines were released? Clearly if the vaccines worked as good as they claimed, the cases and deaths would be far lower after they released the vaccines.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer or anti-science. Worked in pharmacy industry for many years, have a science degree, and also worked in science research. There are a lot of very qualified and experienced doctors and scientists that have a lot of questions about the vaccines.

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9jMONZMuS2U
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 @Bikerphx: Fox News has a strict vaccine policy of all their employees while their personalities rally against vaccines. It’s the most obvious hypocrisy of all time, but completely unnoticed by their viewers who criticize everyone else as sheep while blindly jumping off cliffs like lemmings.
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 @tacklingdummy: Perhaps less developed countries don't have the time and resources to test every sick person or perform an autopsy. They have a body to bury.
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 @suspended-flesh: My reference to countries with higher cases and deaths are not lesser countries. They are first world countries. Look at the data.
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 @tacklingdummy: serious illness and death rates are much lower in the vaccinated population. period. your unhinged ranting doesn't change that fact.
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 @tacklingdummy: I watched the first 15 minutes of that video and although I actually despise the fact the Big Pharma basically pays for the studies that determine what pills we are fed, the whole tone of the panel sounds like a cult indoctrination. Senator Ron Johnson is a full-blown crackpot (google him), as well, so I'm not getting a good vibe so far.... It comes off like a sales pitch. Also, where is any hint of dissent in the comments? You would think someone would disagree, but it appears to be curated and sanitized. Too bad because I tend to side with anti-corporate/government views generally. This 'panel' gives me the creeps. Sowing fear is what has been getting retrumplicans elected since 2016 and worked for some evangelicals before that. It sells guns and breeds blind followers. Just my opinion, though
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 @Bikerphx: Show me the data. The data I have seen does not support your claims.
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 @suspended-flesh: Sales pitch? What are they selling? They have nothing to gain by saying what they say. You should watch the entire thing.
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 @dualsuspensiondave: I just competed in a 27 mile xc race today. I think its possible I currently have it, I had zero juice but was able to maintain an even pace and had a decent mid pack result. Two other competitors I know just got over it in the last 10 days, one had a rough race and the other finished 4th overall (1st in cat and his time put him 4th in elite men) My point being is it has massively different effects and outcomes for different individuals.
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 @matadorCE: for most people covid is not nearly as sever as the flu. Obviously not all, but most- so "covid is just the flu" is true in many ways as it relates to symptoms. Flu is just the flu, but it also kills many many thousands every year.
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 @Mtmw: no, it is not. stop spreading missinformation.
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 @tacklingdummy: unvaxxed 53 times the risk for death v. vaxxed. but of course we should trust what you pull out of your ass instead of the CDC? www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm
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 @tacklingdummy: A worldview?.Distrust in the CDC and the Big Gov? They sound brainwashed. They are all just a bit too smarmy and sound very scripted to me. Sorry - I'm a skeptic .Maybe they are in the pocket of the Horsepaste Lobby.
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flag jaame (May 29, 2022 at 22:42) (Below Threshold)
 @matadorCE: Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.
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 @jfog52: I have never had a flu vaccine in my multi-decade adult life and never got the flu. I have lived with some very dirty, seedy, people (bike messengers, band mates, addicts, girlfriends!). I hardly got sick. .For the last 2+ years I've been a front line worker and never worked from home, Hell at first I wore gloves and a mask every day and sanitized the shit out of everything. I had access to PCR testing every day if I wanted it and tested neg over a hundred times. The flu never got me but this variant did with the quickness despite my vigilance. Point being, it's not 'just the flu'. I didn;t get it because I'm vaccinated (as some proclaim here), but because this variant is much more effective at transmission than its predecessors. Luckily it seems to be far less deadly. I won't be surprised it 80% of the people reading this get the BA.2 or subsequent variant. I've put in so much work generating clicks for PB today because I'm isolating in a room on day 5 of Covid+ with my computer and not much else to do..the rest of my family had it a week or more before me.....Covid outcomes are a lot better than they used to be.
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 @suspended-flesh: "I didn;t get it because I'm vaccinated (as some proclaim here), but because this variant is much more effective at transmission than its predecessors."

I'm not "claiming" anything, I'm referencing scientific papers that are showing this is exactly what is happening. And no its not a conspiracy that the jab is the virus which I'm sure is the next step in what you will claim I'm saying. Its simply the result of putting a product with no long term testing out into the public domain on a massive scale. They obviously couldn't have predicted that these vaccines would inhibit the production of certain types of antibodies which is now having a negative efficacy effect on peoples immune system.

Can you not read the linked paper which shows that vaccinated people are massively lacking in the secondary line of defence that comes from anti-nucleocapsid antibodies? Vaccinated people need 100,000 times the viral load to produce the same amount of anti-nucleocapsid antibodies as the unvaccinated. This is literally science and you lads will not acknowledge that things are changing?

Why do ye think vaccines were studied for 10 years or more before release until this one arrived? Were they just dawdling along? There are certain things that only reveal themselves through long term testing and this is one of them.
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 @humoroususername:

I'd read the paper and it may well be true.I don't see the link.

We all rolled the the dice on both sides of the jab. I'm fine with my choices. Perhaps I can unvaccinate.now that the virus has mutated into a form with fewer bad outcomes.
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 @Bikerphx: I am not telling you how to think. Make up your own mind. I'm just showing the data I have seen and my opinions. Take or leave it. I like debating science.Wink

There are several things I find interesting about that study. First, that is older data. April 4–December 25, 2021. It does not include Omicron data. It also says that it recognizes that the vaccine effectiveness waned with the emergence of Delta, so they are aware of the vaccine's decrease in effectiveness either from time or different variant. It still does not consider possible adverse side effects that may occur and does not consider how effective natural immunity may be and that may last for decades or a lifetime.

The study itself says that it has five limitations. I'll list three that I find interesting that raise some questions. 1. "this ecological study lacked multivariable adjustments, and causality could not be determined. Possible differences in testing, infection-derived immunity, waning of vaccine-derived immunity, or prevention behaviors by age and vaccination status might partly explain differences in rates between groups; trends are likely affected by temporal changes in testing or reporting." 2. "Variable data linkage completeness might have resulted in misclassifications (e.g., booster doses not being linked to primary series) that could influence IRR estimates." 3. "These data represent 62% of the overall U.S. population, and therefore might not be generalizable."


The VAERS data of adverse side effects and deaths is nothing to ignore. If the vaccine provides fractional protection, but comes with high risks of adverse side effects and deaths, the risks outweigh the benefits for me. Also, they don't know what longer term adverse side effects may be because it only took 8 months to go through the safety protocols, clinical trials, etc. Normally it takes 10 years for vaccines and medications to get through the FDA.. Again just look at the cases and death totals of the world and per different country pre-vaccine and post-vaccine. If the vaccines were as effective as they claimed at 95% efficacy and protecting against infection and transmission, the cases and deaths would near gone because the vast majority of the populations are vaccinated.

"The total number of deaths associated with the COVID-19 vaccines is more than double the number of deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since the year 1990."

vaersanalysis.info/2022/05/27/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-5-20-2022


At this point, I am still more concerned about the vaccine safety than COVID. Having to waive all rights to hold the the vaccine companies, governments, or the companies that administered the vaccines liable for any adverse side effects or death brings up my questions for me. Just my opinion.
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 @suspended-flesh: I do question the FDA and CDC after they have said so much conflicting narratives or just changing their narratives over the past few years and keep moving the goal posts. From the beginning of "People stop buying masks, they don't work for the general public" to complete nationwide mask mandates to admitting of overstating deaths of people dying "with COVID" and not "because of COVID".

These Project Veritas undercover videos of FDA executive raise eyebrows.

www.projectveritas.com/video/fda-executive-officer-on-hidden-camera-reveals-future-covid-policy-biden

www.projectveritas.com/video/fda-executive-officer-exposes-close-ties-between-agency-and-pharmaceutical
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 Allowing an insufficiently tested vaccine that produces serious effects or death can be somewhat excused given the state of public health emergency, although the vaccine itself is also a public health issue, and its partial effectiveness is also problematic for giving people a false sense of security. But what is absolutely inexcusable are the vaccine mandates. Even if this was a problem-free vaccine they would be debatable, but it demonstrably isn't. And being anti-mandates is not being "antivaxx". It's defending the rather fundamental personal right over what you put into your body.
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flag humoroususername (May 30, 2022 at 3:44) (Below Threshold)
 @DavidGuerra: I think we all agree there. The vaccine mandates were a disgrace and the fact that some zealots still want to mandate them even now and for children is pretty sick in my mind.

What annoys me most is that when I say I know people who have had adverse reactions to the vaccine they just will not believe you. Total denial that it's even possible and they won't even engage the possibility that it could happen. The wife of a colleague recently went for screening where they put dye into the blood checking for leaky heart valves. She immediately went into anaphylaxis despite having had the procedure before with no issue. The doctor said in 10 years he never experienced it before but it had happened twice that week on two women who had recently had the booster. The doctor was the one making the link in this case.

I have another friend who would be as straight laced as they come and not even remotely into conspiracy theories or even vaguely interested in any of the political aspect of covid. I expected him to be very judgemental of me not getting the vaccine until he told me one of the girls in his athletics club has basically been wheelchair bound since she received the vaccine. Her heart rate spikes instantly when she does anything and she gets shooting pains all over. These are real people I know and these are not stories I was ever hearing about until the last year. I still don't know a single person who has died of or has had a long term injury because of Covid.
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 @humoroususername: you're so right, the best medical research is always done with a sample size of f*ck all.
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 @humoroususername: It's difficult to prove a cause-effect relationship. Many statistics do show an increase in the number of sudden deaths, namely during sports, but associating the two is just conjecture, since not much is being done to investigate this. I do know of three sudden inexplicable deaths in my extended range of acquaintanceships since the mass vaccination started. For me the connection is obvious.
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 @humoroususername: Have you read that report? I'm not seeing what you are seeing.

"When the unadjusted positivity was calculated for those with previous COVID-19 infection, unvaccinated
patients were significantly more likely to test positive than vaccinated patients."
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 @bocomtb: coming from a fellow american “basic human decency” is lost in translation
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 @cvoc: um.. just so you know they do have transgender athletes that couldn't win shit as a man so now they try it out as a woman. Just drop your testosterone to an acceptable level, and now you too can race as a "whoaman"
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 @jfog52: how are you still repeat this junk after 2+ years of this shit? I've had it, it's certainly not at all like the flu. At this point saying stuff like this is wilfully and purposely being ignorant.
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 @jaame: coivd will certainly hurt you, and we're still finding out all the long term effects.
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 @weebleswobbles: careful pointing that out around here, there’s a few PB mods who are shills for the trans movement who equate basic logic like this with hate. Clowns.
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 @nvranka: duly noted friend. It's not hatred, it's just science.
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 @tacklingdummy: i wonder how many people didn't get vaxxed and suffered severe illness or death after listening to your arrogant, unqualified, illogical rambling. you are a cancer on society.
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 @matadorCE: it wasn't that bad. Certainly not worth putting everyone's life on hold for two years.
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 @Bikerphx: Just discuss/debate the subject civilly and stop trying to debate by shouting someone down with personal insults. Keep it out of the gutter. How old are you?
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 @tacklingdummy: no, you are sealioning, pretending to debate but acting in bad faith.
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 @Bikerphx: That is purely your opinion. I take the same stance that you are acting in bad faith. Look at all the lives the vaccines have destoyed. Tons of athletes have gotten mycardits, pericarditis, and blood clotting.from the vaccines. ex. Kyle Warner. What we have found the past few years is a ton of information pushed has been founded untrue by new data and facts about COVID.
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 @tacklingdummy: that you are sealioning is objective fact. whether you're a russian troll or just a useful idiot is open to question.
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 @Bikerphx: Russian troll? Lol. Perhaps get some new material.

Sorry, I don't take blood clotting, myocarditis, or pericarditis lightly. I worked in science research on a cholesterol experiment (HDL, LDL) program at Stanford.
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 @tacklingdummy: if you don't take "blood clotting, myocarditis, or pericarditis lightly", then encourage vaccination. because covid is far more likely to result in those problems. but your mind is made up, so no sense trying to reason with you.

again, what's sad is the damage you do to people who listen to your unfounded, illogical arguments.
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 @StewartHowe:
Hahaha
Hahahahahaha

Holy sh!t, you're so full of crap.

I have some dope anti cabal, anti mind controlling hats to sell. Just one hundred bucks and you'll be save! I'll even throw in a discount if you order more than one!
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 @jaame: sure dude lmfao
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 @tacklingdummy: oh just stfu "
I worked in pharma, aka I have a bachelor degree, therefore I understand everything"
What you are is a prime example of the dunning Kruger effect
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 @Bikerphx: Science/studies is sealioning. Lol. If science/studies can't hold up to peer reviewed scrutiny, then it is not science. There is a ton of slanted self-serving science.
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 @tacklingdummy: thank goodness we have a stable genious like you keeping science honest.
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 @whoopsy: stfu with the arrogant grandstanding shouting down vitriol. You can't debate civilly, so that is all you have. Just another troll trying to spew I'm a Russian troll, anti-science, anti-vaxx, idiot. Please get some new material to debate or just ignore my statements. You are too emotionally triggered. Lol.
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 @Bikerphx: the last "source" he linked to me did manage 4 lines of filler text before stating that Covid was a hoax and the vaccines are made to control us. So, yeah, great research there, im sure
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 What do yall experts feel about Paxlovid antiviral pills? Curious to know what the spin is.
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 @Bikerphx @whoopsy Big pharma is has paid out billions upon billions of criminal fines due to misrepresenting their medications or vaccines or downplaying/misrepresenting the adverse side effects in in the past. Just like the smoking industry. For decades they paid money to their own doctors and scientists to put out favorable studies. Fast forward to now, it is 100% known that smoking is dangerous to your health. Big pharma has done the similar things.

Not saying big pharma is all bad because there are medications and vaccines that have worked well, but they definitely push out medications/vaccines as fast as they can with questionable efficacy and adverse side effects and questionable studies because of the big money. 60%+ of Pfizer's profit in 2021 was from the vaccines. You think they have motivation to push vaccines and boosters. So, yeah, I question the safety of the medications and vaccines that have not been tried and true for decades or gone through the standard 10 years of safety protocols and clinical trials.
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 @tacklingdummy: In a few years nearly every single human being on this planet will have had Covid multiple times. You just need to pick your time to jump in. The beginning was a more dangerous entry point. I feel that people who avoided a terrible outcome in the first couple versions probably did the right thing. I just got over my first bout and I feel great. Pretty nasty sore throat the other day I gotta admit.
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 @jaame: let's get the sticks and stones
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 @tacklingdummy:
A Russian troll would explain so much...
I think you are just smart enough to know a few things, but apparently you are not smart enough to make the correct choices regarding your sources. You obviously are scowering the net for information that fits your worldview instead of looking for information as data. For some reason all the information that does not fit your narrative is deemed corrupt and fake and on the other hand you seem to be blind and unable to find anything wrong with information that fits your needs.
I guess American media is partly to blame, but you should have been educated about this by the University you briefly visited.
Honestly nobody cares any more if you get vaccinated or not. People at risk had the time to get a jab. It is just sad that there are people all over the world claiming bullshit regarding Covid and the vaccines and making money off it and enough fools get influenced by those parasites and make stupid decisions because of that.
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 @whoopsy: Why is everyone so programmed to stay someone is a Russian troll? I'm Asian-American. You just say how wrong I am without proving me wrong with any of your so-called legitimate data.
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 @whoopsy: I love this advice coming frona German. A country with a spectacular record of not falling for propaganda....

There's a great meme going around of Trump speaking at Davos in 2018 and all the German delegation laughing at him when he says they will be entirely dependent of Russian oil and Gas and praises Poland for getting independent of Russia....German arrogance has always been a problem.
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 @Mtmw: the main thing that 'crippled' the world was how we responded to the virus, not the virus itself. Mental health cases are through the roof, 50 million people estimated starved to death, children under lock down are now showing developmental disorders........
the virus wasn't the problem, it was our panicking knee jerk reactions in which we gave complete control over to a bunch of people that routinely demonstrate their inability to lead or remain corruptionless.
If you are for protecting the masses and not the vocal minorities, covid lockdowns/restrictions make no rational sense.
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 @Caligula1620: lockdowns have the beneficial effect of weeding out the mentally feeble, the ADHD children and other undesirables. Successful policy
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flag Caligula1620 (May 31, 2022 at 8:58) (Below Threshold)
 @wowoalmighty: lol I think your level of sarcasm is too nuanced for this site/medium
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flag Caligula1620 (May 31, 2022 at 9:00) (Below Threshold)
 @whoopsy: "all the information that does not fit your narrative is deemed corrupt and fake and on the other hand you seem to be blind and unable to find anything wrong with information that fits your needs."
not agreeing with tackling dummy but the fact that you said this after calling him a russian troll is pretty hilarious.
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flag Caligula1620 (May 31, 2022 at 9:01) (Below Threshold)
 @tacklingdummy: not to mention that big pharma pays for nearly all the major new outlets.
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flag Caligula1620 (May 31, 2022 at 9:05) (Below Threshold)
 @whoopsy: ugh god referencing the dunning kruger effect has become the new insult that makes idiots feel intelligent. you commit logical fallacies in nearly every post you make (ad hominem, strawman, red herring to name a few) and you have the audacity to call someone else bereft of intelligence? LMMFAO
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 The More You Know.....had to DDG "Sealioning".......

Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity. It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate".
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 @Bikerphx: not wanting to send 40b to ukraine or get involved isn't treasonous.

I guess I'm a traitor for not wanting to get involved in Iraq too. Par for the course. War mongers aren't affiliated with parties.
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 @suspended-flesh: this is how these people argue. They ignore all valid points you can make. You can reference papers, tell anecdotes, discuss with civility and it all falls on deaf ears. He will use some buzzword. Gaslighting was popular before, and like yourself I am only hearing of the term sealioning myself now. Seems like a pretty stupid term so not sure it will take off.

They call everyone that disagrees with them Russian trolls. Do these lads really think Russia has the resources in the middle of a crippling war to be engaging multiple trolls on a mountain bike discussion forum. It's mental that they've been led to believe Russian trolling is everywhere.

Reds under the beds.
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 @humoroususername: hey the CIA/FBI colluded to press the "Russian disinformation/hacking" hoax in the election cycle so I'd say the Russian paranoia is as rampant as the drug usage in America.
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 @Caligula1620: youtube.com/shorts/9_bNSbA6opM?feature=share

I think the above clip sums up an awful lot of the comments from users like whoopsy. Fully sure of their own intelligence to the point of obnoxious bragging and then it all goes horribly wrong when actually IQ tested. So many people are like this now, they think they are intelligent when in reality the university system has just been massively dumbed down to churn out clowns who can pay lots of money for meaningless paper and have no critical thinking ability but are still convinced they are the clever ones.
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 @Caligula1620: dudes are stuck in jan 2021.. got hooked with the promise of salvation by the pure and the faultless FDA/CDC/EMA and just cant let go..
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 @tacklingdummy: your a troll (of undescribed origin)
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 @humoroususername:
The down votes are because you're a fool.

I dont think you've fully read or understand the paper. Several conclusions you've drawn through out this thread are not borne out by a statistically significant p values. There is also many statements in the paper contradicting you. Lastly there is not a power calculation that I can see in the document that means any conclusions drawn are valid in application to the study population, let alone the wider world, regardless of the p values.

Interested to hear your thoughts on this sentence in your Walgreens 'paper'. If like other 'facts' in this document you believe are true do you want to see more severely ill people die in hospital.

Conclusion section. Page 4 "Importantly, recent studies have demonstrated that the COVID-19 vaccine continues to offer strong protection against the most severe illnesses that result in hospitalizations and
deaths."

Page 12 conclusion
"The COVID-19 pandemic has taken a tremendous toll on both individual lives and the healthcare systems across
the nation and world. Non-pharmacologic risk mitigation strategies and vaccinations have made significant progress in reducing viral transmission and deaths associated with SARS-CoV-2."

I would say this is probably level 4 evidence at best. So not a strong basis for scientific decision making. Anyone can observe a difference in two groups and fit the statistics to fit their story.

Just for anyone wondering about levels of evidence.
Level I Evidence from a systematic review or meta-analysis of all relevant RCTs (randomized controlled trial) or evidence-based clinical practice guidelines based on systematic reviews of RCTs or 3 or more RCTs of good quality that have similar results.
Level II Evidence obtained from at least one well designed RCT (eg large multi-site RCT).
Level III Evidence obtained from well-designed controlled trials without randomization (ie quasi-experimental).
Level IV Evidence from well-designed case-control or cohort studies.
Level V Evidence from systematic reviews of descriptive and qualitative studies (meta-synthesis).
Level VI Evidence from a single descriptive or qualitative study.
Level VII Evidence from the opinion of authorities and/or reports of expert committees.
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flag KK11 (May 31, 2022 at 17:35) (Below Threshold)
 @raawbikerider: uhhhh, huh, huh, huh huh huh…….
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flag pistol2ne (May 31, 2022 at 17:42) (Below Threshold)
 @raawbikerider: My favorite part about studies is that no covid masks studies were done for level 1 evidence but 30+ done for the much less transmissible flu virus to no help from masks. Sorry if people are skeptical of the most sued industry regarding their studies on vax efficacy. BTW, I do believe vaccines do work well keeping people out of the hospital.
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 @pistol2ne: masks do a good job of hiding your face
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 @wowoalmighty: Everyone at work is vaccinated, I'm the only one to not get Covid, though I'm vaccinated too.
The vaccine is clearly not stopping the spread, considering we have a 90%++ rate of vaccination in my town.
So maybe don't make arguments like a mental amoeba?
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 @humoroususername: They usually don't have arguments, they simply have this weird sense of superiority due to a positive feedback loop from their echo chambers where they parrot the "expert opinions".
A lot of the blame lies with media and education today, everything is being politicized so much now, and many opinions are pushed as fact.
Critical thinking is dying, and I'm starting to fear it's by design, really hope I'm wrong though.
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 @matadorCE: Are you working at the ministry of truth?
How people still swallow the programming like you, I will never understand.
Have everyone forgotten about Iraq? Swine flu? Bank bailouts?
That the scum in DC and on wall street have managed to not only silence all dissent, but also make people defend them as the authority on morals, baffles me.
Fun little bit of homework, try checking google analytics for you favourite buzzwords (racism, misoginy, fake news, misinformation, conspiracy theory, etc.) and occupy wall street.
Your buzzwords aren't something that was just suddenly way more relevant, it was a concerted effort to deflect from something way more important, and was a massive success.
The billionaire scum you parrot, are not your friends.

"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"
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 @Losvar: who or what are you ranting about? If you haven't noticed, it's only the crazies talking amongst themselves now in here
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flag Losvar (Jun 1, 2022 at 5:17) (Below Threshold)
 @matadorCE: Just tried to follow the discussion in reverse, and saw you post a whole novel of only buzzwords, but I kinda went off track...
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 Let’s all stop arguing. Once all the these animals in the south and middle die from the virus and lack of education, we (the rich people from the north and coastal areas) will just come in and gentrify the place, buy everything up, and enslave the poor like we normally do. It’ll be grand!!
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flag DavidGuerra (Jun 1, 2022 at 7:52) (Below Threshold)
 @raawbikerider: Yes, vaccines can offer protection from the most severe outcomes to the most vulnerable groups. But they will also cause health problems and/or death, while not offering a reliable protection from infection and transmission. So it's up to each one to look at the pros and decide what suits him/her best. This is the critical part, though. It's not our discussion about whether vaccines are good or bad, or the political and/or scientific discussions and/or conclusions about the benefits and/or problems of the vaccines that determines whether someone will take it. Information is good. May it be offered and/or countered, but at least looked at. So, I am basically and strongly opposed to two things: 1: The withholding of information or the submission of biased or false information with the purpose of presenting a coherent narrative and influencing the population to take the vaccine, for political or profit motives. 2: Conditioning the access to services or jobs to the unvaccinated. This is both ineffective, due to the insufficient protection offered by the vaccines, and illegitimate, because it interferes in what must remain a personal decision. Furthermore, the uncontroversial benefit of the vaccines is the reduction of the severity of the most serious cases, but a major health complication resulting from an infection affects only the individual, as such the rest of the population and/or the government must have no saying about this (the taking of the vaccine to prevent it), only the individual. The argument that there aren't enough hospital beds is both invalid at this point, and insufficient to justify a compulsive vaccination.
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 @DavidGuerra: I wish I could give multiple upvotes. perfectly said imo. compelled action is never ideal and suppressing information only hinders critical decisions being made. I hate being told "just trust me I'm an expert, you don't need to know or see anything just get this shot, I am very trustworthy"
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 @DavidGuerra: great post, yes your right Russia did cause coronavirus. Escalate the war!
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flag DavidGuerra (Jun 1, 2022 at 12:23) (Below Threshold)
 @wowoalmighty: Besides having nothing to do with what I wrote, I am quite horrified by the anti-Russia bias on the media and especially the supplying of weapons to Ukraine, that will cause the direst consequences in the future for the US and many other countries, besides the already terrible consequences in Ukraine (continuation of the war). So your pigeonholing attempt was quite a miss.
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flag DavidGuerra (Jun 1, 2022 at 12:35) (Below Threshold)
 @wowoalmighty: And Covid actually traces back to a conspiration between Richard Nixon and Mao Zedong...
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 @DavidGuerra: what are you on about? Typical Latino lefty. Russia need to be eradicated
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flag DavidGuerra (Jun 1, 2022 at 12:50) (Below Threshold)
 @wowoalmighty: I am horrified by the prevalence of this thinking, fueled by disinformation and bias on the media. And if only it was exclusive to those who are "right wing" politically inclined! Indeed, this artificially created hate of Russia transcends any political affiliation.
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 @humoroususername: people are clinging to what they were previously told, so much evidence to prove the vaccine is flawed yet people won't accept that. The vaccinated people I know who get covid are ending up sicker than the unvaccinated, I'll believe what I see, not hear.
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 @DavidGuerra: are you mad? The bombs are coming followed by winter. If you don't do the damage now you will be too weak to later. It's 1939 only pearl harbour has just happened. The gulags are empty Russia hates itself
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 Also the media didn't kill my grandpa in the 1950s bring on the bombs
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 @SterlingArcher: the name checks out
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 @wowoalmighty: That's madness. The damage is on Ukraine, that's what's happening. Ukraine is a pawn to sacrifice in the US's plan to take down Russia. Zelensky doesn't care about Ukraine either, he only cares about power, he's a megalomaniac. So much stupidity and war fanatism all around. This could have ended long ago if it wasn't for the US's and other countries' support of Zelensky, and it wouldn't have even started if it wasn't for the US, the NATO and the nazi war fanatic Zelensky. Bring on the downvotes!
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 @DavidGuerra: lines straight out of the iberian playbook. stick with your dictators down there in neutral land. Pick a side better not pick russian. Your making less sense than Stalin himself - ship yourself off to Siberia with all the others. Ukraine is a line in the sand which stretches all the way to your front door. Bring on those nukes- let them rain down on us all
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 @wowoalmighty: how exactly does a lockdown weedout ADHD children and other undesirables? I'm asking for all the ADHD children.
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 @wowoalmighty: your grammar sucks
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 @Corvcycleguy: Nope. Your conclusion is supported only by illusion. The number of people you claim have died of covid actually died of a vast array of causes blamed on covid by way of a bogus PCR assay, falsely claimed to be a "test". According to it's inventor, Dr. Carry Mullis, it is no such thing. Pure con artistry conflating numbers to incite compliance with a medical tyranny grid for fascist control, depopulation and profit. Learn to use The Trivium, and how to research source data which is not tainted by conflict of interest or confirmation bias. Or remain ignorant and played for a fool. Your choice.
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 @StewartHowe: speaking of which: fullfact.org/online/pcr-test-mullis
What I really want to know is what other conspiracy theories you're into. The likelihood of it being "none" is zero.
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 @StewartHowe:


Are you also known as "VirusGuy"?
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 @weebleswobbles: you know exactly how, the fidgety little f*ckers couldn't stand lockdown
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 @weebleswobbles: ADHD is by the way a fake disease caused largely by parents unable or unwilling to teach their children leading them to be 'diagnosed' at school where they are by and large massive twats
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 @suspended-flesh: you mean the guy who, for clicks and giggles, disseminated a deliberately erroneous interpretation of words uttered by Kary the dead scientist who conveniently isn't here to debunk the bullshit he unknowingly triggered? That guy?
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flag tacklingdummy (Jun 2, 2022 at 1:58) (Below Threshold)
 @StewartHowe: There are a ton of contradictions surrounding COVID policy. One of them, is the US southern border. The US is allowing millions of migrants to cross the border and are not requiring them to be vaccinated or take the vaccines, not requiring all migrants to be tested, and many are COVID positive. Yet, the US requires legal travelers coming to the US through legal points of entry to be negative tested and vaccinated.

If COVID is such a danger and concern, the policies would be applied equally. I guess only certain groups of people can transmit COVID. Wink
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 STOP COMMENTING ON THIS ARTICLE! ITS OLD
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 @willdavidson9595: I kinda wanna hear about more conspiracy theories. The pb incels are on a roll with this thread.
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 @tacklingdummy: your right that is a massive contradiction. What they should do of course is remove all testing except for those travelling from Asia (where the virus is from) and their relatives and connections etc
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 @wowoalmighty: the US arrival testing is absolutely a grift.
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 @wowoalmighty: you belong in some sort of camp that is concentrated with your people (idiots)
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 @SterlingArcher: haha excellent
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 @wowoalmighty: whoa there that's what Trump did at the start of the pandemic and was called a racist so beware lest ye too be deemed a reeeeeecist
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 @BenPea: Indeed. As noted in your link.
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 @whoopsy: lol nice try
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 @wowoalmighty: uhhuh. cope.
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 @raawbikerider: mobile.twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1456336316006903813

So an NHS consultant cardiologist says there is very good evidence Pfizer lied about the trials and efficacy of the vaccines....

Is he a fool? At what point will people like you begin to accept even a little bit of the counter evidence which is coming out everyday from very reputable sources?

From what I can see people like you don't accept any criticism of the vaccine program. It's interesting to see how long you guys will keep up the abuse of people who don't share your opinion....

Most likely I assume you will just ignore it and live in ignorance.
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 @humoroususername: probably shouldn't listen to the crazed twittering of a mad Dr.
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 @weebleswobbles: have you any evidence at all that he is crazed or mad? Like, you guys complain when it's Joe Rogan and you say people should only listen to experts. Then when an expert speaks out you immediately claim he is mad.

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/23/ignaz-semmelweis-handwashing-coronavirus

I love how people like you would now do exactly the same thing to that man in the 21st century. Ridiculed by other "experts".

You do not understand how to think or accept opinions that are not the majority. Its tragic.
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 @humoroususername: I do apologize .. HOWEVER if you are following a twittering doctor, then it must be you who is crazed and/or mad. I bid you good day sir!
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 @humoroususername: But maybe..just maybe homoroususername sir. It's people like you.
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 @humoroususername: very few people will discuss your points, ignorance is indeed bliss for them.
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 @watchtower: @humoroususername agreed, pro vax people are just waiting for the next instruction from their handlers on life. they'll never admit to their naivete or mistakes.
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 @humoroususername: I called you a fool, that was unfair, I apologise.

The twitter article points towards flaws at 3 of 153 research centres. Totaling 1000 patients of 43000. There may be more. Its primary focis is actually on a failure of whistle blowing and regulatory bodies. This is clearly unacceptable. I'm sure he's a good cardiologist and able to appraise evidence.

Vaccines aren't a panacea and are by no means 100% safe. Nothing is. However I believe they are an effective tool in modern medicine. Smallpox wasn't great, now just exists in labs. The reason? Inoculation. When we chose to get a vaccine it is in the knowledge that we take a tiny risk to benefit the wider world. Much like if you give blood, it's a tiny risk to you but a big benefit to others in need or the vulnerable.

I'm not going to try and discuss or reason with you any further. Its clearly pointless as we both obviously have a view that is not likely to change.

Let's all get back to bikes. After all that's why we are on this site.
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 @raawbikerider: The smallpox vaccine eradicates the disease. Why do people always bring this up? It's not as good and likely won't ever be. The Covid vaccine clearly does not eradicate the disease. The US is the first country to approve vaccine for the least at risk people, kids. Vaccine mandates FOR COVID are and were ridiculous, and I believe they should be required if the disease can be eradicated via vaccine, which clearly they can't with the current covid ones.
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 @pistol2ne: Daaaaaaamnnnnnn! Y’all still on this? Why y’all gotta be bringin’ up old shit?
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 @raawbikerider: Hmm... A kernel of truth, extrapolated without foundation and with zero statistical rigour to confirm the bias of a community of paranoid contrarians who like to think the world isn't chaotic, because the alternative is too much to bear. Sounds like the recipe for every single bullshit conspiracy theory that ever saw the light of day. Not a coincidence, boys and girls.
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 @BenPea: in your contrived efforts to sound like an intellectual you come off incredibly conceited, just FYI. yesterdays conspiracy theory is tomorrows established truth, that the pearl clutching skeptics will say they believed in all along.
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 @Caligula1620: in your contrived efforts to sound like an intellectual you come off incredibly conceited, just FYI, incel.
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 @SterlingArcher: dang my biggest simp is back for more? lol you really do live for attention
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 @Caligula1620: dang the conspiracy believing grand wizard incel is back for more? lol you really do live for attention. you're a worthless subhuman LOLOLOLOL
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 @SterlingArcher: lol more racist drivel, see you in my next comment response simp
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 @TheR: It keeps popping up in my damn notifications. I don't want to be here. Covid is over besides those who are still devout to covidian cult.
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 These endless discussions about vaccines on a website about bikes and absolutely everywhere, the endless arguing and the division it creates in society, all derive directly from the state action of imposing vaccine mandates. This should be clear. If it was just about a vaccine no one would care. But when it is the imposition of the ideas of some over those of others, this is unavoidable. Just a visible side effect of the catastrophe.
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 @DavidGuerra: I agree that it is completely pointless to keep jabbering about. Honest question: did your state (country) force to to take the vaccine?
The USA did not, but I still see people protesting online (No Mandates!). Sure, if you weren't vaxxed, you could be excluded entry from certain venues for a while, but it was never Mandated by force.
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 @suspended-flesh: private companies mandated the vaccine, which included tons of nurses getting let go. Not a direct federal mandate but to say it wasn't mandated in the US is a bit disingenuous
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 @suspended-flesh: No police force is tracking down people to jab them, if that's what you mean by "force". However, what do you call firing someone for not getting jabbed? The US is an infamous example of this, so many people losing their jobs over it. And what about preventing someone from going to the US if he is not vaccinated? I cannot do that for instance. So the US is not forcing me to get vaccinated because my life doesn't depend on travelling to this country, but these restrictions, this creation of first and second class citizens, there is effectively no logical basis for that. And you or someone else will disagree, and will say that it is necessary. And that's what I meant with my previous comment. A division and a "fight" that is being created on the population through this.
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 @DavidGuerra: I'm not arguing, I just asked you because I thought you were in Portugal. I work in Gov here in the US and while they tried to get as many people vaxxed as possible, none of my coworkers who refused to got fired (although there were 'deadlines' and threats, etc.) Our unions fought them off until the guidelines changed.
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 @suspended-flesh: You thought correctly about me being in Portugal, and I answered by saying that "forcing" in the strictest sense doesn't exist anywhere, what does exist are smaller or greater restrictions for the non-vaccinated. I think we are mostly unrestricted by now. For a while it was necessary to show a vaccine certificate to go to a restaurant or a night club but that has been lifted now. I'm not sure about mandatory vaccinations for certain professionals like doctors or nurses, it might have happened or not.
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 @Caligula1620: Sorry pal, that's how I express myself. I'm not an intellectual, but I listen to folks who make sense and try to ignore misguided nut jobs. I feel people deserve to be addressed using proper sentence structures and appropriate vocabulary. Unless they belong to the community of pricks you inhabit. And the moon landings were real. You should read up on the phenomenon you have fallen victim to, despite your colossal critical thinking skills. There's an increasing amount of research on this rampant tendency for seemingly normal brains to seek an explanation as to why they don't understand anything.
The equation for lockdowns, masks, etc. is so simple, even you can understand it. You saturate the hospitals, everyone's f*cked. Granted, Covid measure aren't pretty and the negative impacts are manifold. Governments rarely make perfect decisions. However, letting covid rip through populations would have brought economies to their knees like you can't even imagine. Developing vaccines that quick (thanks to the groundwork that already existed) was hella lucky, but also the child of necessity. And you actually think the biggest single covid-related problem is the science that curtailed it? Look around at all the freaks, fantasists and absolute loopers who agree with you and understand what shaky ground you are on.
FYI (this is actual information, not some glib bollocks I made up), my ex was in hospital with covid in March 2020. Couldn't breathe for a week. I had pretty serious asthma for 2 months after covid. My mum caught it 1 month after the 4th jab and she barely noticed it. She's 78. My 4-jab dad didn't even develop symptoms, despite regularly kissing her on the lips.... Wait, "naiveté"? GTFO off my language. Jesus, go and get laid before your trigger finger lands you on TV.
I enjoyed that, thanks for giving my faux-intellectualism the forum it yearns for.
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 Let’s never let this thread end.
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 @nvranka: Never-ending subvariants should facilitate that.
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 @nvranka: I'm in. I'm writing my next "Get f*cked Talk" as we speak.
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 @BenPea: it’s clear you put time into your responses. I respect that.
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 @nvranka: all in vain, ultimately
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 @BenPea: Hospitals were never overwhelmed in the US except for NYC for 2 months. ICUS in the US are designed to run at 70 to 80% capacity or they go bankrupt. It might be different in different countries. The cost of lockdowns, in the US will be exponentially worse than the few ICU beds open, which saved very few people. Biggest wealth transfer in history, 2 years of kids schooling lost in blue and a few red states, thousands of small business closed, violent crime on the rise, the impending recession (a lot to do with china shutting down) etc. Covid ripped through anyway, and again, didn't fill hospitals. Sweden never locked down. The states that DIDN'T lock down, had much speedier and much better recoveries. So "the science" royally screwed the pooch and will pay dearly for it. People greatly distrust science as a whole now, for better or worse (likely very bad). Ya know how many times I got asked if I was an epidemiologist? Hundreds. Sorry, I don't live in fear and work in excel. I do have many friends that are infectious disease doctors that weren't terrified and realized their oath of do no harm. If we're playing credentialism, which IMO is for morons, I have a much better understanding of an aersol virus than an EPI. Don't get me started on the leftist movement in this country that wanted lockdowns for political reasons (this also includes some worldly organizations as seeing it as an opportunity for change).

Shaky ground is thinking lockdowns were even remotely close to worth it. To be honest, that's not even shaky ground, it's just flat out proven wrong now. The mantra of "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING" is so dumb and harmful. There was no easy button and people don't want to accept that.
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 @BenPea: there have been multiple research papers out there that say lockdowns didn't really prevent any deaths. Look at Sweden for example, it had no lock downs and has one of the lowest excss death rates in Europe and the entire world. Far lower than lockdown mad Ireland, Britain, Germany, etc. An awful lot of the statistics around covid seem dubious at best. Officially 7500 people have died from covid in Ireland yet the CSO says less than 200 people have died from covid and nothing else. All others had multiple comorbidities and would probably have died anyway. The excess mortality rates for 2020 are exactly in line with other years and 2021 is only about 2000 deaths above the usual trend. When the numbers don't add up you have to ask questions, to do otherwise is negligent.

On the other hand I was speaking with the daughter of a family friend yesterday and she said her father is dying because his follow up scans for cancer were put off for 6 months and it's now too late. I've heard this story far more times now than I have heard about anyone dying from covid. The excess deaths over the next few years from cancer and other illnesses will far outstrip the covid deaths.
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 @BenPea: “ paranoid contrarians who like to think the world isn't chaotic, because the alternative is too much to bear”

Oh, contrarians know very well the world is chaotic. They know, that with any measure implemented there will be unforseen costs that will not be accounted for in the cost benefit analysis. They know well that in the chaotic real world some simplified campaign slogans like “vaccines save lives” do not hold up as universal truths. They also know well about chaotic interests, incentives, motivations and corruption of public and corporate institutions, to simply believe that what those institutions do is solely driven by their official mission statement.

It is control freaks like you , who need a simple answer of “masks, distance, vaccine” to feel certain and to feel safe
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 Keep it coming boys.
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 @CleanZine:
Great to see a sensible comment.
Sam made a decision to protect the health of himself, his family and his team.
Can't believe the amount of controversy this post has generated. A world dividend re a response to a deadly disease.
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 @Caligula1620: using your burner accounts to +1 yourself, just like mein fuhrer Trump using fake electors in all the states he lost LOLOLOL. The saddest part is that he tried SO HARD to cheat and still couldn’t win, just like you! Hahahahahaha
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 @pistol2ne: says the incel cult leader himself lololol
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 @GZMS: get a job
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 @BenPea: economies were already brought to their knees lmao you must have had blinders on for what was happening in America, between the BLM riots and the covid restrictions most small businesses never recovered.
glad you got some sense of importance/superiority from your misguided mudslinging, it says a lot about how devoid of meaning your life must be. cheers
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 @BenPea: lol as soon as someone comes back with a coherent point you ditch the intellectual persona and go back to deflecting cope troll. lmmfao you're all the same
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 @GZMS: Just a quick response to your frankly astonishing suggestion that "vaccines save lives" is an empty slogan. It isn't, it's a statement of reality and it's not debatable. This is a classic illustration of you applying your own standards to those you disagree with (cf. MAGA, do-nothing democrats, Brexit Means Brexit, etc.). Hopefully someone else will deal with the rest of your confused ill-calibrated horseshit before I have the time to engage with it fully.

Actually, f*ck it.

"Oh, contrarians know very well the world is chaotic. They know, that with any measure implemented there will be unforseen costs that will not be accounted for in the cost benefit analysis."

No, everybody who cares to put their mind into first gear knows this. But we also know that just because the response to the virus (whatever form it has taken across the territories of the globe) has been somewhat haphazard and undoubtedly damaging in a number of ways, that these measures were in no way designed to accelerate the inception of a new world order, a great replacement, the creation of a docile population, bla bla bla... The way in which the pandemic was exploited in all kinds of different ways by governments and corporations of varying temperaments and criminality is in no way a reflection of the true impact of the virus. Ultimately, measures were put in place because this was a novel virus that nobody knew how to handle and for which there was little precedent. So you're attempting to demonstrate that governments shooting in the dark were motivated not by trying not to lose large swathes of their populations (i.e., taxpayers), but looking to what... traumatize kids for shit and giggles? Stop people smiling at each other? Keep people off the streets because they hate the free-market economy? Tank entire industries such as aviation, hospitality and tourism? Really? China very likely went hardcore to reassure/intimidate its people regarding its omnipotence, so yes that was political, but it doesn’t change the fact that it saved lives by doing so (yes, the CCP is a murderous, authoritarian, genocidal regime, but let’s keep to the topic at hand).

A quick point on lockdowns in the west: had the UK locked down a week earlier, thousands of deaths would have been prevented and the lockdown would have ended earlier. Competent individuals did the research so « truthers » don’t have to make shit up. As for Australia/NZ playing the every-human-counts game, which most countries attempted after the horse had bolted, you’ll have to ask their populations what they thought of that and the fact that their grannies and vulnerable relatives are still alive.
The fact that opportunistic posturing and corruption in public procurement were rife is merely a reflection of the terrible individuals who sadly hold the tiller of our nations. "Big pharma" can be accused of many things, but scientists stepped in and worked with the industry to stabilise a situation that would have been even uglier had they not. Did you visit covid wards in Italy, France, Spain, the UK, Germany, NYC (to mention only places I am familiar with). Do you know that the true death toll is 3-4 times what we see on worldometer? Are you aware of the many, many governments in developing and even western countries who disclosed grossly underestimated figures? The bodies being incinerated in huge public space in India? The catastrophe that unfolded in Peru, Brazil, Iran… This is a "not seeing the wood for the trees" issue.
Just a quick bit on Sweden. This is a country with a highly socialised healthcare system and a population with a higher-than-average life expectancy who know how to look after themselves and can be trusted not to lick each others faces in confined spaces if you ask them not to. That would not have worked in France or Spain where we can't stop touching each other. Neighbouring Norway applied restrictions and had a significantly lower all-cause death rate during the pandemic.
The US is at the other end of the spectrum. The official figure fails in great part to cover those who died at home because they didn’t want to incur the cost of going to hospital. Thousands died in their beds, untested. Most of these people were not tested. But I’m guessing that doesn’t bother those who have happily lived alongside victims of healthcare poverty since time immemorial, so it was basically business as usual, just more so, in the land of the free. You have to admit that millions of uninsured Americans are more likely to end up in a funeral parlour than a healthcare establishment. But that’s not even news in the US. Others went to hospital and were bankrupted. The unvaccinated (remember your antivax brethren gasping in disbelief as they perished?) cost the US healthcare system the GDP of a small country over the last couple of years. Another example of individual freedoms shitting on collective liberties.

And no, there is no certainty with masks, distancing or vaccines, but every measure taken has a marginal effect that will save someone somewhere from death, illness or long covid. I hate masks. I don't wear them anymore, be it on the plane or train. Because I've got fresh antibodies and those who don't can do what they want. Anyone can buy a mask that will protect them to a very large extent. I feel safe AF, but only because I've had covid twice, 3 jabs and I'm back to 110%.

@humoroususername: my man, in the same f*cking post you talk about people who « would have died anyway » in the first paragraph, before lamenting the fact that a cancer sufferer… *died anyway*… in the second. You know what’s sure to kill a cancer sufferer even faster? Catching f*cking covid. And let’s not even get started on those who, in normal times, live quite happily (happily enough not to be disposable) with diabetes, respiratory problems and so on. Funny how proponents of the Great Replacement theory (not saying you are one) are happy to see so many kick the bucket with no replacement. Then again, ethnic minorities took one hell of a hit from the old ‘rona, which makes it harder to fault the inconsistency.
« The excess deaths over the next few years from cancer and other illnesses will far outstrip the covid deaths. » Yeah, but they were going to die anyway.

@pistol2ne: « Don't get me started on the leftist movement in this country that wanted lockdowns for political reasons (this also includes some worldly organizations as seeing it as an opportunity for change). » Don’t get you started? Why would you omit to mention the entire premise of your arguments. It’s the f*ckin commies, man! That ship sailed a while ago. If your hero is Joseph McCarthy, I suggest you do a little research on that massive charlatan. Oh, and your substantive points are grounded in sheer conspiracist fantasy and are an utter fabrication. You know how I know? Because pretty much all the figures to which you hint are untrue. Red states saw more infections and more deaths on average, by some margin (30%). The only reason there wasn’t more of an outcry in these godforsaken places is that people in red states would rather die than accept government assistance, because they are conditioned to believe not only that any issue can be resolved with a gun and a dollop of machismo, but also that anyone who benefits from the altruism of others is a parasite and probably better off dead. Who pays to keep these Republican reality deniers alive? Not me, thank f*ck. Pardon the generalisations, but there’s only so much nuance I can provide.

« Hospitals were never overwhelmed in the US except for NYC for 2 months »
Ok, assuming this is true (I have very little faith that it is), are you essentially telling NYC to go f*ck itself? « What did NYC ever do for us ? ». Well, along with a few other select areas of your fine nation, it (only just) keeps the US from turning into the vast basket case and internationally ridiculed dumpster fire that it keep threatening to become.

@DavidGuerra : Your country has the most intelligent drug policy in the history of our species and the best people, so you get to say what you like xxx
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 @Caligula1620: You got mail. See above.

My life is f*cking amazing and looking for meaning is a futile pursuit. I just can't help but argue with bullshit artists on the internets.
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 @BenPea: I'm more curious what you think of the recent french elections.
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 @BenPea: Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true. And it was only a few hospitals in poor, overweight neighborhoods. More to do with socioeconomic situation than anything.

FL, age adjusted is about the same death rate as California, who destroyed their economy. The red states that did bad, are exponentially more obese than blue states. Obesity is the 2nd leading factor, besides age for covid deaths.

Sorry your biosecurity state got loads of holes poked in it and people woke up to the fact they were shooting from their hip and didn't actually know shit. Btw, their ideas, will ultimately kill more people than it saved. People distrusting public health officials (rightfully so) will lead to lower vax rates of vaccines that stop the spread of its disease. Not to mention the previous crippling economic things that it caused which has been correlated for eons to lower longevity of life.

And yes, many leftists, some communists and socialists wanted everything shut down and people to get 2k a month. I don't want that, neither does the general population. Don't act like a large portion of the left co-opted it to push dumbass political agendas.
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 Just throwing this out there. In the UK the biggest drain on public resources is the NHS. Second is pensions. Those two account for about 70% of government spending. If Covid ripped through unchecked in 2020 no doubt a lot of ill, fat and old people would have died. It would have taken a huge load off those two liabilities that necessitate the ridiculously high taxes we pay. It would probably have helped the economy, not brough tit to its knees.
Of course, dead people is not a great way to get reelected, and that is why we had lockdowns. Human life is considered to be the single most important thing in the world even though there are far too many humans. 200 years ago there were only a billion people. Now there are 8 billion. What statistic!
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 @pistol2ne: which elections, presidential or legislative?

Your country and the food lobbies have been working together for years to make as much cash as possible by offering the worst food standards in the developed world. And now you want all the fat people they created dead? Isn't that going to f*ck up the economy? Who's going to eat all your local delicacies?

btw

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/california/article256675307.html

You can keep making up economic figures all you like, doesn't make them true. You think I don't have access to the web? How do you think we're talking now?

The rest of your disappointing response is a baseless stream of consciousness skewed by your fear that governements could be a force for good. You don't know shit about France. There are many reasons to criticize where it's headed, but the French know when they're getting f*cked, while Republicans spread their cheeks. The distrust of health officials is fuelled primarily by online kooks, the same ones who told you Trump was on a crusade to rid America of Satanic peodophiles, that muslims want to rape your daughter and that jews planned 9/11.
Also, "dumbass political agendas"? Please elaborate. You mean supporting working people? You realise you're also a person right?

@jaame: absolutely, if you're fat or old, do f*ck off, the rest of us have lives worth living.
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 @BenPea: I think that last sentence says even more about you than the first. good luck with that.
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 @Caligula1620: If you can't tell when a person's being sarcastic despite having been offered a significant insight into their character and general disposition, then I can't speak to you I'm afraid. Unless you have learning difficulties or are on the autistic spectrum, in which case, you have my full sympathy and I will help in any way I can.
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 @cuban-b: it’s a day-off here
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 @BenPea: You are assuming too much about me, and putting words into my mouth that I never said.

""vaccines save lives" is an empty slogan" - Did I say it is an empty slogan? Or did I say it is wrong to push it as a universal truth? Do you understand the difference?

"these measures were in no way designed to accelerate the inception of a new world order, a great replacement, the creation of a docile population" - Did I write something like that, or you made it up?

"Ultimately, measures were put in place because this was a novel virus that nobody knew how to handle and for which there was little precedent" - The virus was novel in 2020, and during that time I think the measures were fully justified. By Q2-Q3 2021 we had a shitload of data about the virus. Data which was very clear and accessible to everybody. We roughly knew the effectiveness and side-effects of the implemented measures. We also had an option to get a vaccine for everyone willing to do so. Yet the most drastic restrictions came in Q4 2021 - Q1-2022, when vax rates were 50-60%, and in vulnerable groups 70+%.

"traumatize kids for shit and giggles? Stop people smiling at each other? Keep people off the streets because they hate the free-market economy?" - are you high on something, because you keep seeing shit I never wrote. Governments were lobbied by companies, who in turn were motivated by profit. They allow 50000+ deaths year after year for 2 decades from opioid overdose, for the same motive. And you think they would care about a few hundred dead kids? You seem to realise very well what a shitshow the US healthcare system is, yet you expect the very same people who actively work to make sure this inhumane system never improves to somehow produce different results when it comes to corona? They couldn't even if they wanted. Because habit, competition, incentive structure, corporate culture will put them back on the same course.

Unrestricted 'Never let a good crisis go to waste' mentality turned what started as a sensible reaction to a problem, into a complete clusterfk of bad public policy, corruption, mccarthyism and authoritarianism.
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 @GZMS:

You said "simplified campaign slogans like “vaccines save lives” " - please excuse me if I read into that the possibility that you may be vulnerable to dodgy information.

We agree on the opportunism of certain miscreants in government. We had the eminently corrupt Trump and Johnson administrations in place in the US and UK FFS. My point was that the fact that covid was exploited by agents of greed doesn't mean that it wasn't worthy of drastic measures for a time. Yes, in HY2 2021 it was way more under control because of vaccines and prior infections. But where the hell do you get the idea that this was when restrictions were at their most sringent. I flew to Sicily for a holiday in October 2021 and to England for Christmas. WTF were you doing? Living in a tower block in China? Can you people stop firing bogus information around as if it's borne out by reality?

And don't equate the opioid crisis with anything to do with covid. Nobody's getting hooked on Moderna jabs. And the vaccine campaign was a global one. You think the EU's health bodies operate in the same way as the FDA? Or as the institutions of any other country in the world? The global alignment was pretty strong. Do you think the governments of Finland, South Korea or South Africa were all in on a conspiracy with Pfizer? No, they were not. And even if we only consider America. You know it's possible for people and entities to behave differently depending on the context right? You don't think that perhaps for a few months, actual clinical research specialists were killing themselves to find a way to stop the rot without being motivated by the idea of wealth and glory? You're barking up the wrong tree, wearing mistrust of government as a badge of honour, rather than a way in to greater insight.

McCarthyism? Authoritarianism? Irrelevant.

And if you knew me, you'd feel like an idiot for calling me a control freak, but I guess you're immune to that sensation.
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 @BenPea: I don't wish for obese people to die. That is their choice to not get vaccinated and frankly, to be obese. It seems like you don't think people are smart enough to make their own choice and prefer an often times, inept government to make it for you. Par for the course. I'm sure with your new far right you'll surely trust that government? Or wait, is it only your opinions, and when your party is in power that you trust it? That would make sense for someone yammering on like you.

www.politico.com/news/2021/06/24/gop-states-fight-uneven-recovery-495762

You also seem angry lol. I didn't vote for trump and I certainly distrust public health officials, there are lots of people like me in the US.

Didn't you just say "Your country has been working for years by offering the worst food standards in the developed world" LOL, yes, I totally trust them to weigh the balances of economy and lockdown harms vs people dying of covid and how worthless lockdowns are.
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 @BenPea: "you'd feel like an idiot for calling me a control freak". Yammers on about how the government's food supply is trash in the us. Then says to trust the government. Just extraordinary.
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 @BenPea: Austria had mandatory vaccine q1 2022. Aint that a strict restriction? Or you only count movement restrictions as restrictions? Most EU countries had a version of a mandate. Yes, you were allowed to leave your house, but house arrest measures lasted 2 weeks, while vax passport restrictions lasted for a year. 2 weeks in a super security prison vs a year in a “regular” prison - which is a more strict punishment? Could be a matter of taste ofc, but I say the latter.
EU governing bodies have the same massive lobbying problem as US governing bodies.
Government of Finland and South Korea? As well as all other governments they were put into a situation where their independent decision making ability was reduced, none of them had access to full trial data, none had a chance to verify any of the claims or request additional trials. They were given an all-or-nothing proposal in which they had to trust the lead of US and FDA.
Clinical reasearchers did tremendous work no doubt. But they had as much say in how their work will be used, as you and I. I’m sure Oppenheimer wasnt a bloodthirsty killer either, but 200k people died. And when he protested, mccarthyism treated him well then, as it is doing with the dissenting people now. So it is very much relevant.
You can keep yapping, but honestly you dont even say anything substantive or original, so it is quite boring to discuss.
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 Ok, this isn't getting us anywhere. A high proportion on these arguments are based on a skewed interpretation of reality and the intentions of those in power. Your inability to see government as anything other than a fixed entity that acts in an identical way in every context is just lazy fatalism (all these men in suits are the same right?). Also you keep making statements that are demonstrably untrue.
Quickfire response on the vaccine trials. Yes, they were full trials and went through all the necessary phases. This information should be available to you if you have a personal computer at home.

The sentence "They were given an all-or-nothing proposal in which they had to trust the lead of US and FDA." Ok, so the other statements of this kind I've seen made here were mostly conjecture, so it's pinch of salt time, but in times of war, you use the weapons at your disposal, especially when they are proven to be extremely effective. The people who's lives and health outcomes you save in the process DGAF about your self-destructive libertarian agenda.

I think someone mentioned we have a far-right government in France now. Did you really say that? This blows a major hole in my motivation to keep talking here. The president of France is Emmanuel Macron, a "centrist" techocrat who used to be in the socialist party. He won 58% of the vote. The subsequent parliamentary elections generated a mixed bag dominated by centre left and greens. Jesus, is this an even bigger waste of time than we already knew it was?

The 2-week house arrest thing. After coming back from England at xmas we could test after 48 hours and our personal lockdown ended if it was -ve.

EU bodies do not have the same lobbying problem as US bodies. Not even close. Companies can't just do what they want. Regulations are way stricter and while nothing is perfect, consumer protections are a f*ck of a lot better here, particularly when it comes to agrifood. That's why we don't have American levels of food poisoning deaths.

Final point to whichever truth twister said this: "It seems like you don't think people are smart enough to make their own choice and prefer an often times, inept government to make it for you" Indeed, often they are not and the gaps they have in their knowledge are exploited again and again by every kind of a*shole under the sun, who then claim they made their choices in a free and democratic way.

Ok, I'm done. I'm sure someone will read your victory speeches, but it won't be me.
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 @BenPea: to give you some perspective on who you’re dealing with, these people believe in eugenics and that the holocaust didnt happen. The type to end up on the evening news if you will.
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 @SterlingArcher: I don't think a single person on this thread believes in either of those things. But hey, why not just make up shit?
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 @BenPea: lol the amount of copium you had to intake once all your points were refuted mush have been extraordinary!! also kek at you saying most people aren't smart enough to make their own decisions, but I'd wager you don't consider yourself a member of that group? the Machiavellian naivete is strong with this one.
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 @BenPea: (gets every point countered soundly with facts)
"guys this isn't going anywhere I'm done"
rofl this shit is comedy gold
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 @Caligula1620: f*ck me, you actually showed your face again. Your perception of reality is even more of a mess than that of the guy above who thinks Marine Le Pen won the French presidential election. "Machiavellian naivete". Meaningless. You like ad hominems. Here's one: you're a deluded c*nt. Now jog on.

@SterlingArcher: your approach may well be more efficient than mine. I made the mistake of assuming that reading comprehension skills were a pre-requisite to any kind of written discussion.

@humoroususername: hmmm, apart from the 1 or 2 dudes who stated quite happily that a passive cull of the weak would improve our species.
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 @BenPea: it’s the internet. Fight fire with fire
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 @humoroususername: uhhh check out pistol Pete’s posts lol
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 @BenPea: lol you suddenly have awareness of ad hominems after you called me autistic as a put down? way to show your true colors btw. and it's not meaningless it's just falling on deaf ears. big diff. but hey why am I surprised that you gave up on defending your point? French people have a long history of giving up Big Grin
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 @Caligula1620: hahahaha youre a simp lolololol
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 @Caligula1620: that was a genuine enquiry, you can never be sure. But apparently you have no excuse, so you can f*ck off a second time. And this time do it properly.
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 @BenPea: hahaha well I knew french were great runners and cyclists but I think you take the podium for fastest abandonment of an argument and backpedaling to avoid hypocrisy. if only you guys were as adamant about telling old Adolf to eff off, instead of all that last minute ankle grabbing you did....
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 @Caligula1620: uhhuh, cope lolololol
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 @SterlingArcher: Progressives backed the eugenics movement in the 20s. Almost all progressives believe the holocaust happened. Idk wtf you're talking about.
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 @pistol2ne: which makes it ok if course
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 Uggggggggghhhhhhhhhh! Someone make it stop! I’m all for a spirited debate, and if you all want to get into one that’s non-bike related, fine by me. But seriously guys, it’s time to put a bullet in this one. It’s been going on for weeks. I’ve never seen anything like it in all my time on Pinkbike. Whose minds have been changed? Whose lives have been saved? Regardless of which side you’re on, you know you’re right. Congratulations! You owned that foo you’ll never meet who lives half a globe away. Satisfied? Now just walk away. @brianpark, is there a way to put a lock on this thread? I’m confident at this point, everything that can possibly be said has been said.
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 @TheR: it’s the reason I check PB every morning. Just dying to read what has been added to the thread of wonders.
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 @jaame: I guess when you frame it that way, it is kind of hilarious. Well then, don’t let me stop the party!
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 @Caligula1620: Morning!

1. I'm not "French"
2. Anyone who mentions a mid-20th century war as an attempted put down in a conversation about a 21st century pandemic is a f*cking idiot. Especially when their grasp of the detail of the conflict clearly boils down to nada. Also, I wasn't involved in that war, but came close to never being born due to a small altercation in Dunkerque.
3. The autism comment was another part of my brain (the "try not to be a twat" compartment - one day when you grow up, you may develop one) reminding me that people's perceptions are unique and subjective and in some cases this can affect their understanding of words. Unfortunately, the comment came across as sarcastic because the other part of me thought that was too charitable an interpretation and had already dismissed you as a generic empty conspiracy vessel who wilfully ignores reality.
4. I wouldn't call typing 2000-3000 words a fast abandonment of anything. It is probably a waste of time in the face of debate-winning arguments such as "LMMFAO" and "Machiavellian something something". Neither is "hahaha" a strong basis for an argument. There has to be something else.
6. You don't deserve more than 5 points. Now get some sleep. You have cars to wash in the morning.
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 Apologies to car wash employees, but at least you're not French.
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 @TheR: sorry, but that was your fault Smile
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 @BenPea: Keep it coming. Only 425 comments more until we break the thousand.
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 @jaame: I think I need to work on my words:comments ratio.
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 @BenPea:
Go for it BenPea, keep it coming!
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 @jaame: 421
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 Aaaaand 420 to go. Something I one day hope to be able to say at my local pharmacy.
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 @BenPea: Yeah, I know. Take full responsibility.
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 @TheR: Netbangers punching the air right now. LAIC
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 @suspended-flesh: I guess I should try to add some value. What’s this thread about again? I think I was still doing my GCSEs when it started.
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 @BenPea: lol bro you really need a life. I already forgot you exist.
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 Has anyone here tried a v4 Mega 290? I’m contemplating buying one, a metal one. From looking it seems like the cables might go through the tubes inside rubber tubes. It looks likely that they would rattle easily. Any thoughts?
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 @Caligula1620: I can't have hobbies? I understand it might not have been enjoyable for you.
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 @jaame: Real issues here.
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 @jaame: I don’t Doubt that
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 @jaame: I have one, it's awesome. Got the top of line RS (Zebb sram code etc), it rules. I'm 6' 3" and got an xxl and kept the same stem. Remember that in 2021 they came out with the XXL, which was the same size as thte XL from 2020, they just put a size between the 2020 xl and L and bumped it up.

The reverb sucks, only complaint, put a transfer on after it started sagging. Also the Michelin tires changed out for maxxis.
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 Sam ill
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 That's hillarious.
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 Missed opportunity for the headline writers, for sure.
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 Now that's funny.
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 He definitely lost the W
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 King of the ill.
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 Don't take this as a PSA, just my personal account. I consider myself a pretty fit person. I reluctantly got the jab and the booster, primarily because my job required of it from me. I was in "Covid is just another flu" camp....until I got it. And as of last night, I am still testing positive after a week with living with it. By and large, it really was just a like a bad flu, but still have some lingering effects, primarily in the lungs and stuffy head. Yesterday, after being stuck at home for a week doing really nothing, I couldn't take it anymore and I went for a short and easy 18 mile bike on a paved bike path. It was a mistake and today, my health took a minor stepback. Point being, Covid, like many other things, effects everyone different, regardless of age and health. Moving forward, I will be taking this freaking virus a little more serious. It's a PIA, but rather try to retain my health as long as possible....afterall, I consider myself too young for a ebike.
  • 16 1
 Hope you heal up alright man!
  • 18 25
flag Mirko91 (May 28, 2022 at 14:27) (Below Threshold)
 Maybe the second booster will fix it
  • 16 10
 @Mirko91: the booster already spared him from a worse illness. and sure another booster might help more. did you have a point?
  • 8 5
 @Mirko91: I'm on my fifth vaccination.
  • 14 19
flag Naturalbornshaper (May 28, 2022 at 16:26) (Below Threshold)
 @Jamminator: RIP
  • 8 3
 @Jamminator: good on ya! Go for the sixth
  • 3 5
 Deffo wasn't in my top-5 worst flus. Everyone is different.
  • 3 7
flag pistol2ne (May 29, 2022 at 7:11) (Below Threshold)
 I actually take all of my advice from ancedotal evidence online people. Covid isn't as bad as the flu for children, it's much much worse for adults and elderly people than the flu.
  • 2 3
 @pistol2ne: Bit of a generalisation
  • 42 4
 Yeah i would pretend to have covid also to avoid having to ride in the pissing rain in Scotland.
  • 38 0
 Don’t read the comments, don’t read the comments…

Oh no.

Get well soon Sam.
  • 4 1
 This topic turned the "Pinkbike commenter mouth frothiness" up to 11 and ripped off the knob.
  • 38 0
 Is anyone ever anything but ‘gutted’ for injury/illness?
  • 29 0
 Right? That word needs to be retired.
  • 34 0
 Have you ever had explosive diarrhoea?
  • 13 0
 @silentbutdeadly: I'm having it right now.
  • 9 0
 @silentbutdeadly: user name checks out
  • 2 0
 @silentbutdeadly: There's another kind?
  • 1 1
 @Grosey: username checks out
  • 35 5
 It's sad how political the comment section is these days. Fuck off and go ride your damn bike.
  • 13 51
flag Naturalbornshaper (May 28, 2022 at 15:31) (Below Threshold)
 Maybe because some politicians dont want a free World, using covid as a prétexte.....forcing an agenda who's a nightmare for freedom.
If you're concerned by potical....political will take your soul!
  • 3 24
flag Naturalbornshaper (May 28, 2022 at 15:33) (Below Threshold)
 *if you're not
  • 13 3
 @Naturalbornshaper: you're missing the point man. Move on and stop arguing about shit you have zero control over. Fighting about it on a bike website is doing you nothing.
  • 12 37
flag Naturalbornshaper (May 28, 2022 at 16:25) (Below Threshold)
 @541freeride: yo guy's......trust in fauci and Bill Gates!
You're completely hypnotised.....people sucks!
  • 6 6
 @541freeride: easy to say but in California we couldn't ride our bikes for 4 months to "slow the spread". How'd that work out? Lol
  • 9 6
 @Naturalbornshaper: Amazing. Every word you just said was wrong.
  • 8 4
 @pistol2ne: I find it incredibly hard to believe you "couldn't" ride you bike during that time. Stop blaming others for your lack of motivation.
  • 3 6
 @541freeride: parks were closed and cars were getting towed at trail heads. Clearly you have no idea wtf you're talking about.
  • 7 0
 @pistol2ne: no one got towed you skunk’s anus
  • 1 7
flag pistol2ne (May 29, 2022 at 14:09) (Below Threshold)
 @dmclemens: Okey dokey you authoritarian, I totally believe you. Just wear a mask!
  • 7 1
 @pistol2ne: If you’re on the side of the people banning books, you might want to check in on what authoritarianism means (literally and historically).
  • 6 0
 @Naturalbornshaper: Voted for Marine Le Pen?
  • 5 0
 @pistol2ne: That' s bullshit. I never stopped riding and no one 'stopped us'. I've heard this trope before. Are you talking about a few popular trailhead parking lots being closed, perhaps?
  • 3 5
 @suspended-flesh: I had never ever voted for anibody......Never give the power to someone who whant it!!!
  • 2 6
flag pistol2ne (May 30, 2022 at 11:28) (Below Threshold)
 @suspended-flesh: so you agree that the trailhead parking lots were closed and being ticketed. Lol yet you say I'm full of shit. Extraordinary.
  • 3 1
 @pistol2ne:

No I didn't say you were 'full of shit'. Yes, I called BS because you said:

"easy to say but in California we couldn't ride our bikes for 4 months to "slow the spread".

It's bullshit that anyone told you you 'couldn't ride your bike for 4 months'. They tried to prevent people form congregating en mass in parking lots. The trails weren't closed to bike riders - that's what I call BS on. If you can't ride a mountain bike because a parking lot is closed, then you have other issues.

CA encouraged outdoor activities in the early days of the pandemic.
  • 3 2
 @Naturalbornshaper: If you don't vote then you get whatever you deserve.
  • 27 2
 F*ck me. If I had to make a decision whether or not to race with Covid it would be a hard no.

I caught it 3 days ago, double vaxxed and boosted and it’s absolutely throttling me. Last week my wife had it and was drinking beers and doing yard work with no symptoms.

Don’t give a flying f what side of it your on, it sucks when it sucks.
  • 13 1
 Can be so random eh? Russian roulette. My figure skater jock sister and her completely sedentary husband had it, both vaxxed and boosted. He had a mild cough, while she was gasping for a week so bad could barely speak on the phone.
  • 9 10
 Vax worked well then.
  • 4 11
flag jaame (May 28, 2022 at 23:46) (Below Threshold)
 @darthsarge: it's exactly 50% effective clearly
  • 6 4
 Sounds like the vaccine did its trick.
  • 32 11
 "Flat Pedals Win over severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2
(SARS-CoV-2)" as they say.
  • 13 23
flag nickkk (May 28, 2022 at 5:25) (Below Threshold)
 agree with the down votes here. Tone deaf and simply not very funny. I've let myself down and I am sorry. I am better than this. Pls downvote this to oblivion. Cheers.
  • 21 4
 @humoroususername: Someone should mention that you're both wrong with regard to the %diff from these data. The reason they give value1 vs. value2 is because the two populations can't be compared using the statistical methods they report. In other words, you can't quantify the difference between these populations because they are different in too many other ways.

This is fairly common in population health research as a way of taking small bites out of complex multivariate data. Importantly this is not done to make life easier for the statisticians. It's done to make sure they don't come to wild conclusions by attempting to relate things which truly might not be related.

Anyway, as a fellow mountain biker and an actual working scientist, I humbly ask you please don't go around drawing conclusion from data you've taken out of context. It's irresponsible and contributes to the confusions and distrust people have towards research.
  • 20 5
 I’m actually appalled at the number of people here commenting how this disease is just a trifle. Yes it is possible to get it and have nothing but the sniffles. I know some that have had it like that. I also know of several who’ve died from it. One of them was only 35 years old. I’m currently recovering from it. It’s no joke. I’m having breathing problems for the first time in my life. And… there’s not a single PB member that has a right to question anything regarding Sam Hill’s decisions about his health or racing. The man is an absolute legend, and by all accounts he’s a decent human as well. He could beat anyone of us down a course even while sick. So stop it. Show some respect for a man who’s given so much to our beloved sport.
  • 16 1
 Check out the BJSM infographic for elite athletes return to sport/play following mild/moderate COVID infection, easy to find with google. Proper science which explains this decision.
  • 15 3
 I Googled BDSM by mistake and just want to say thanks man.
  • 1 0
 @nickkk: LOL - masterstroke
  • 16 0
 Maybe Outside can acquire COVID and quietly kill it off.
  • 4 0
 It is a shame this came in so late on this thread, because that is pretty funny. Nice one!
  • 3 0
 @akwl: I was at work all weekend, so I did my best when I could Smile .
  • 1 0
 That was a 100% effective comment!
  • 12 1
 Any illness needs to be treated with respect. Just being responsible towards ourselves and others. I imagine being an elite athlete and making a living out of your performance on the bike would make anyone play it safe. There will be other races to be raced anyway. I had omicron a couple of months back, unvaccinated. Felt like shit for a couple of days, then some mild fever followed by some coughing. I tested negative six days later and went back to work after a few more days. I ride my bike to work and didn't notice any side effects after this. But then I also know young, healthy people who had a hard time recovering. So do what feels best for you but don't judge others for being careful and responsible.
  • 27 13
 I thought the war in Ukraine ended COVID?
  • 17 23
flag hamncheez (May 28, 2022 at 15:18) (Below Threshold)
 No it was the BLM protests in May 2020
  • 17 14
 @hamncheez: how's that GOP cock taste?
  • 6 14
flag hamncheez (May 28, 2022 at 20:36) (Below Threshold)
 @Bikerphx: ur mum
  • 5 3
 @hamncheez: 11 year old spotted
  • 9 0
 I come to get all my medical knowledge and statistical knowledge from pinkbike.

@mikelevy for the next podcast can we deep dive into bayesian statistics and pre and post test probability regarding a disease? Since Covid is so hot right now, I suggest that smallpox be looked at instead, and we can see how it affected the bicycling world in the 1800's
  • 12 0
 That’s a real shame.
  • 3 44
flag RedBurn (May 28, 2022 at 4:47) (Below Threshold)
 Nobody cares ?
  • 36 0
 @RedBurn: I care bro. I care for you. Come here big guy, hug comin' at you.
  • 21 14
 @ any moderators in here: Can you guys like yeet all the braindead antivax/ conspiracy theory nuts off of here? Seriously this shit has killed a lot of people and shouldn't be tolerated. Don't be a platform to spread harmful BS.
  • 10 27
flag mcozzy (May 29, 2022 at 2:25) (Below Threshold)
 Switch off CNN/BBC/sky or whatever the government sponsored propaganda channel is in your country and go for a ride.
  • 10 18
flag bchampig (May 29, 2022 at 2:57) (Below Threshold)
 Commies sure love their censorship.
  • 5 3
 NO. Keep Pinkbike real.There isn't much left on the Nannynet. Don't try to pretend humans aren't believing what they are believing by hiding it. Go to a gated community if that is what you want. I give PB massive credit for letting MTBers of all stripes carry on in public. Good 'ol PB. When it gets subsumed it will leave a massive void.
  • 18 8
 One of the symptoms is no symptoms apparently haha.
  • 9 2
 3 time covid survivor. Omicron Was the best, I could not taste a thing forever and water taste the best! No lead taste or chlorine taste I could actually drink water.
  • 11 26
flag jtnotsure (May 28, 2022 at 8:34) (Below Threshold)
 3 time cold survivor. you win 100 points.
  • 19 0
 You should probably get that lead thing checked out anyways. Both the taste in the water, and the fact you have a known lead taste to reference to.
  • 16 0
 @tkrug: a lead connoisseur
  • 2 6
flag the-burd (May 28, 2022 at 21:13) (Below Threshold)
 I don't believe you. Unless your body has no ability to create immunity and you're french kissing every sick person you can.
  • 5 0
 @the-burd: I've heard of worse strategies.
  • 1 1
 @the-burd: Maybe go cause a love triangle that ends in murder or something.
  • 13 9
 It’s best to take covid infections seriously. I had a mild case but a couple weeks later i started biking again, which kicked off bad long haul. I could barely walk for 4 months. A year later I’m still very limited.
  • 8 21
flag jaame (May 29, 2022 at 0:10) (Below Threshold)
 I know someone who tore his ACL when casting his fishing rod. Since then I have taken fishing very seriously. Despite it being one of my true callings before his injury, I have not returned to the rod since he sustained it. The possibility that I may tear my ACL while casting out is too real to contend with. Better to stay indoors with my knee pads on.
  • 6 0
 I hope Covid is ok after this. No doubt this will spawn a much faster variant. The Belta
  • 7 0
 Covid 19 tests positive for Sam Hill.
  • 5 0
 Makes sense to me. If you can’t compete at 100% of your ability due to illness, then you shouldn’t.
  • 9 2
 Probably also about not exposing other passengers and his teammates and crew to a contagious disease.
  • 5 0
 Got sucked in and started to read the comments........... Gutted that you won't be at the race mate
  • 6 1
 It is Sam Hill, he does what the fk he wants.
  • 15 9
 Needs more BOOSTERS
  • 12 10
 I think they will get the 7th booster right…
  • 10 9
 Well documented on CNN that the E-Bike industry is using this pandemic in concert with the WEF - Global Government forum to take advantage and leverage athletes whom have had the virus worldwide to spread concern about long term effects and thus play into the "you are better off with an E-Bike" agenda. EWS is on board too and will leverage these events to lift E-EWS to its premier offering.
  • 13 2
 This is more believable than the actual conspiracy theories tbh
  • 1 0
 Funk me, not seen a comment thread this long for ages. It would have to be on this subject wouldn’t it, you know, the one with millions of crank experts. I hope Sam recovers well, gutted I won’t get to see him race this weekend.
  • 1 0
 If you think this is a shitstorm go and read the comment thread about the murdered cyclist.
  • 5 0
 What In Sam Hill!
  • 4 4
 Jerry was a race car driver, he drove so goddamn fast, with some bosefus stickers on his 442 he’d light em up just for fun.
I think this is not fair to all the people who don’t care. For fairness to be fair it must include all people and all the people must agree to care and that fair is fair if all the people care. So unlike Stalin this will be so much better for all the people. It’s really easy and makes so much sense that everyone will go along with this idea of fairness. Oh and anybody who thinks otherwise is not part of the group and will have to make up their own reality, something like Logan’s run featuring Holden. Enter the pleasure dome. Pretty weird how this shit f*cks with everyone. I said shitf*cks but did not mean it in a penetration sense like actually pushing in of the stool. Jesus, hitler and the pope walk into a bar in NYC. A local sez hey I didn’t know you were so short. Hitler is shit faced, can’t stand and drops his pants. Oh, well look at this and raises the goblet of iron to the ceiling and pours out monkeypocs. That’s the new shit y’all gotta watch out for. Monkeypox.
  • 3 2
 Pretty screwy comment but did you know Les Claypool auditioned for Cliff Burton's (RIP) vacant bass player job but was turned down?
  • 3 4
 @suspended-flesh: yes; also there is a forum for social and political topics. Calling my comment screwy is unfair so your not in the club of fair. I wanted to say how unfair it is that trans athletes are not represented in the Covid wars but I’m a Soviet era AI off my meds in Siberia and this is my only form of social interaction. Hoping for one more downvote so everyone will read me. Plus I think I had Covid- jfwy
  • 1 0
 @jha: HAHA We need more of this here.
  • 1 0
 HA! What on Earth?! Everyone needs to try reading this out loud.

But only to someone outside of the PB sphere of influence, just to see the look on their face...
  • 1 0
 @jha: Have you grown tired of killing 1/3 of the wolf population in your state this year?
  • 1 1
 i live in China, yeah, We have the strictest epidemic prevention policy. in my personal opinion, i don't afraid of the Covid-19, i don't like masks. i even don't what is this 19 thing. stay at home for 21 days last month, crazy. but, but, almost every people around me are very serious about it. you can't against everyone. i can only say, this is a big thing. for me, the only thing i can do is keep my eyes open and stay awake and independent. hope Sam get well soon.
  • 9 6
 I am willing to bet that Sam will recover swiftly and be just fine.
  • 2 1
 Of course.
  • 6 6
 @Thirty3 Im willing to bet he will too.
But a bet is by chance of luck and I know many that have had a hard time. Even a couple of years on.
Laid me in bed for a week in Feb and I still felt it yesterday running and on an MTB on the arvo when I was at my peak.
Hopefully he had a jab so what I had is the worst of it.
  • 31 27
 I bet he dies. I've been watching cnn.
  • 3 1
 We’ve just passed our peak (apparently) in Western Australia. He’s damn unlucky to have got it after all this time.
  • 1 0
 It's an endless range with peaks and valleys.
  • 4 0
 That sucks. Carry on.
  • 15 12
 If only he had the vaccine!
  • 2 0
 So as per the header pic was Sam going to be riding the Mega 290 this season?
  • 6 4
 I wondered same. Apparently no one cares what mountain bike he will be riding - covid is far more important!
  • 1 0
 @jaame: Strange times we live in being a MTB site and all .....After a closer look I think the pic is a 297 Mega.
  • 2 3
 @Assistedbygravity: I think he may have done testing over the winter and concluded that the Mega is quicker than the Giga in the EWS type of format.
Giga is no doubt a weapon on the steep and chunky stuff, but maybe as an a Freddie Flintoff with ups and downs it's not the faster of the two.
Just a guess.
  • 5 3
 Can we not make pink bike a place to say political opinions and keep it about bikes?
  • 1 1
 We cannot. PB is one of the last places fairly free banal discourse it allowed. Long Live PB!
  • 7 5
 Oh snap....covid is still a thing???? Maybe I should start following the news again....
  • 9 7
 Everyone worldwide is so divided on COVID. The deep state sure knows how to divide populations. Wink
  • 4 2
 Sam will be fired up for round 2....fu*k Covid
  • 3 1
 Can't wait to see all the haters above cheering up Sam when he is back....
  • 3 3
 Marin Cabirou had the best year of her career and won the WC overall the year she got Covid mid season. My money is still on Sam
  • 5 1
 If I'm not mistaken, she tested positive for COVID in September 2020.

Two things to note: 1) different variants were prevalent then. 2) My recollection is that was after the bulk of the season's racing.
  • 1 1
 @pmhobson: no midseason
  • 1 0
 @fwp39: mid season, the season that had 4 races over 2 weekends?
  • 1 1
 @pmhobson: Yes had covid in september and two wins and two 2nds in october. Best results of her career.
  • 1 1
 @fwp39: COVID gives you wings. Maybe the CDC should pick up the broadcasting rights for WC DH. This is sarcasm. Have a nice day.
  • 8 9
 I'm guessing he is asymptomatic or has minor symptoms like a cold or the flu. After two years of COVID, the statistics say that COVID is like the flu, if not is another flu strain.
  • 2 1
 Such a bummer, hopefully, he can get the asthma issue figured out and can make the next round.
  • 29 29
 Let me guess. Double vaxxed and double booster?
Downvote into oblivion covid cult.
  • 18 14
 and people wearing seatbelts sometimes are injured in car accidents, moron.
  • 7 15
flag jaame (May 28, 2022 at 23:48) (Below Threshold)
 @Bikerphx: one time my mate Danny Kay had a car crash and he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. When the car rolled he was flung into the passenger seat. The driver's side was crushed. Had he been wearing the belt, he would have been killed. That's why I never wear one. It's a sign.
  • 10 2
 @jaame: yes, yes, that's solid anti-vaxxer logic right there
  • 2 6
flag ChrisHaugh64 (May 31, 2022 at 18:46) (Below Threshold)
 @Bikerphx: did the seatbelt ever go through any r&d UNLIKE the shot you have floating around in your body that NO ONE knows what any long term effects look like?

Imagine being one of those people walking around with that shit in them rn seeing that the only people catching this shit are the ones with said shit in their body and the career/life ending side effects.

Good luck to you. I’ll be over here in the control group taking my 99.996% chance of survival with zero experimental shit floating around in my body.
  • 17 16
 Hope Sam makes a speedy recovery from his bout of flu.
  • 5 6
 Man from the country with collective immunity caught covid, and persons fully protected have serious symptoms as I read here. Not as advertised.
  • 2 1
 @dualsuspensiondave: are you vaccinated by chance? Just curious......
  • 1 0
 @suspendedflesh
Dem woofs everywhere but I don’t kill ‘em.
  • 5 7
 Two years of lies and people are still hypnotised bealiving the ''science'' and that Gates IS a phylantrope. WE are living the most dystopic Era of all Time.....people are completely dumb!
  • 1 0
 It’s a fun way to remove competition.
  • 1 0
 Why aren’t more people concerned there is a user named @kk11?
  • 1 0
 Also, most of y’all sound dumb as shit.
  • 1 0
 I wish we could just argue about ebikes and not political beleifs
  • 22 21
 #scamdemic
  • 1 1
 Oh no, gutted ☹️
GSW Sam
  • 1 0
 Thanks
  • 1 0
 Paging,, Dr. Greenthumb
  • 3 2
 Hey cool aid
  • 8 9
 Covid vaccines doing a fabulous job. Very efficient. How many shots did he got? 3? 4?
f*ck, I love $cience
  • 10 6
 yes, the vaccines are doing a fabulous job. with rare exception, serious illness and death is only among the unvaccinated. and you clearly wouldn't know science if it bit you on the ass.
  • 4 7
 @Bikerphx: But the cases and deaths are still the same or higher post-vaccine. Where is the science that show they are decreasing cases and deaths? Clearly if the vaccines were working well the cases and deaths would be a fraction what they are now.
  • 6 4
 @tacklingdummy: you pose your question in the form of a lie. cases and deaths are way, way down both in the US and worldwide.

that's not just vaccines working and saving untold millions, of course. it also includes milder variants, prior infections, better treatments, and the most susceptible dying off.

but death rates are still 10x higher in the unvaxxed population.

not sure why i'm bothering to reason with you on this. you've made clear your intent to ignore data you don't like and stick to your pre-determined conclusion. good luck to you and yours when the next pandemic hits.
  • 3 8
flag tacklingdummy (May 30, 2022 at 19:33) (Below Threshold)
 @Bikerphx: You are gaslighting and lying. Look at all the numbers for US, World. Also, some first world countries like Australia, Japan, New Zealand, S. Korea, etc. You are not even looking at the numbers. Show me your data.

As you know, the vaccines were released in Dec 2020. Just look numbers for the world and country charts. Many countries have cases and deaths have gone up despite the majority of the populations vaccinated. Again, the cases and deaths would be a small fraction after Dec 2020 if the vaccines worked well.


Total World Cases 84M (Jan to Dec 31, 2020), 206M (Jan to Dec 31, 2021), 240M (Jan to May 29, 2022).
Total World Deaths 1.9M (Jan to Dec 30 2020), 3.5M (Jan to Dec 30, 2020), 836K (Jan to May 29, 2022)

Total US Cases 20.7M (Jan to Dec 31 2020), 35.6M (Jan to Dec 31, 2021), 29.3M (Jan to May 29, 2022)
Total US Deaths 369K (Feb to Dec 31, 2020), 482K (Jan to Dec 31, 2021), 179K ( Jan to May 29, 2022)


World
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

US
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

Australia
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia

S. Korea
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea

Japan
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan

New Zealand
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand
  • 8 3
 @tacklingdummy: are you even serious? the sites you link show daily new cases and deaths way below peak and near lows seen early in 2020. i can only assume you are looking at cumulative deaths and are too stupid to understand that cumulative numbers only go up. the dead don't rise from the grave. seek help, though you may be beyond help.
  • 2 5
 @Bikerphx: vaersanalysis.info
  • 3 3
 @tacklingdummy: God help you man. You've been duped, surely you can see a glimmer of the truth of that.

Trump has been fact checked at telling over 30,000 lies during his 4 years in office.

At the very least verify the information you're given. Snopes.com, Politifact, All Sides, Media Bias, etc.
  • 2 5
 @Bikerphx: Show me the link to what you think are the legitimate numbers.
  • 2 5
 @ViolaVesperlin: You say I'm wrong without any links to the so-called legitimate data.
  • 5 2
 @tacklingdummy: i'll take a last and final try on the hopes you're both not purely a troll and that you are intelligent enough. highly unlikely but here goes.

first, your own damn link for US data. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

daily deaths are under 500 and still falling. well off the 4K+ high in Jan 21 that has not been touched since. your claim that deaths have gone up after vaccination is bullshit.

if your fool question is why didn't deaths plummet in Dec 20 the moment vaccines started to become available, engage your brain. it took months to ramp to the pathetic 66% coverage we're at now. and the people who died in the interim (still at daily rates far off the peak) have been overwhelmingly the unvaxxed, a very sizeable population in part due to drooling idiots like yourself spreading bullshit.

but enough wasting my time with your sealioning requests for data that you already have. you are a cancer on society and i'd rather ride my bike on a nice day.
  • 1 6
flag tacklingdummy (May 31, 2022 at 9:03) (Below Threshold)
 @Bikerphx: We can keep doing this, if you want to keep pushing ignorant misinformation, lies, and showing your ignorance. The sad part is more people believe your ignorant interpretation and opinions than the real data.

My information from worldometers.com is accurate and mirrors the WHO and CDC data and other data I posted is accurate. Add my totals, they equal the total cases and total deaths. I just broke them down into year, so you can see. Australia was at 95% vaccinated in Jan 2022, but the cases and deaths are climbing extremely fast. The same is in Japan, S. Korea, New Zealand, Germany, among others where vaccination is extremely high, but cases and deaths are high. Cases and deaths in France, UK, Italy, and Spain are about the same post-vaccine. Cases were higher for the world and US in 2021. Again, look at the deaths of the US per year. Total US Deaths 369K (Feb to Dec 31, 2020), 482K (Jan to Dec 31, 2021), 179K (Jan to May 29, 2022) with the trajectory of cases and deaths to be either higher or about the same with extremely high rates of vaccination.


USA Today "COVID-19 deaths in 2021 have surpassed last year's count, CDC data shows: Live updates"
www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/11/22/covid-death-toll-vaccine-mandate-united-states/8712846002

WebMD.com "U.S. COVID-19 Deaths in 2021 Surpass 2020 Total" as o Nov 22, 2021 with more than month in 2021.
www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total

Guardian "Australia reaches 95% first-dose vaccination rate but Covid deaths continue to climb"

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/15/australia-reaches-95-first-dose-vaccination-rate-but-covid-deaths-continue-to-climb

News.com.au "Australia’s Covid-19 deaths in 2022 more than double combined total from previous two years"

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/australias-covid19-deaths-in-2022-more-than-double-combined-total-from-previous-two-years/news-story/6b060bd62424e04b247b040c6022bda7
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 @tacklingdummy: you are like a broken record with your unfounded arguments that continue to ignore the fact that it's the unvaxxed population dying at much higher rates. you have proven yourself unwilling or unable to think, no sense wasting more effort trying.
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 @tacklingdummy: Cognitive dissonance runs deep. Here's an interesting site howbadismybatch.com
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 @Bikerphx:

Yeah, I know, you already told me several times that I'm an idiot and toxic cancer to society for posting data and articles from leftist websites and organizations that you all get your COVID data and information from. The mob squads have spoken.

Good luck with your 5th or 6th booster shot in 2 years that is likely coming before the upcoming COVID (flu) season. Yeah, the vaccines are working great!!
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 @Bikerphx:
You are so right. I can't believe the way this story has caused so much comment. Antivaxxers crawling out of their rabbit holes. Bull.... and ignorance abounds. Covid is real and killing people everyday. Conspiracy theory has sucked in people the world over. Crazy!
Sam is right to stay home and rest up for a full recovery. He has nothing to prove race wise anyway - he's a champion.
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 The thousands of pilots from 30 airlines and 17000 doctors and scientists that are part of the International Coalition of Aviation and Medical Professionals are all stupid uneducated crackpots that have no idea what they are talking about when they call to end the vaccines because of adverse side effects. My tin foil hat sees the vaccines being a deja vu to what happened in the smoking industry, but just is happening faster.

www.ntd.com/aviation-coalition-calls-to-end-vaccine-mandate_781593.html

twitter.com/freetoflycanada/status/1526638596282777603
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 Eye roll
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 What a sad reality of the World today..WAKEY WAKEY People
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 The jab is killing people
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 You fu..... idiot. Climb out of your rabbit hole and get real.
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 Not cool to live in Sheepstralia
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 Complete unfit
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