Updated: Sam Hill Tests Positive for COVID-19 & Will Miss EWS Opening Round
The Nukeproof-SRAM Factory Racing Team has announced that Sam Hill will be missing the opening round of the 2022 EWS after a positive COVID-19 test.
Sam Hill tested positive for COVID-19 last week and following medical advice has chosen not to travel to the first round of the EWS in Scotland. After an off season of rehab from a shoulder injury Sam was all set to take on the Tweed Valley trails next week. Currently, the plan is for Sam to join the team for round 2 in Austria and Slovenia later in June.
 | We are sad to announce Nukeproof-SRAM Factory Racing athlete, Sam Hill will miss the first round of the EWS Unfortunately, Sam tested positive for Covid-19 last week and the decision made with medical advice to not travel. We are gutted for Sam and wish him and his family a huge get well soon and look forward to him joining the team fit and healthy for round 2 of the series. After a huge off season of rehab from shoulder surgery and preparing for the season, Sam is truly sorry and gutted to miss the round. Whilst it’s no fault of his, he wanted to pass on his apologise to his fans and is looking forward to returning soon. Nigel would personally like to thank all the teams amazing team sponsors for their support. The rest of the team are 100% ready and stoked to be back in the Tweed Valley, ready for next week’s event. Be sure to look out for @elliottheap @kelangrant @coreywatson1 @danbooker1 @louise_anna__ who will be hunting for the results in the new 2022 Nukeproof-Sram colours in the Tweed Valley, we can’t wait. |
We wish Sam all the best and hope he is back racing soon.
Update:
Sam Hill has now shared a post on social media with a few more details on why he is missing the first round of the EWS.
| Hey everyone, as you’ve all heard the news. It saddens me to announce that I won’t be making the first round of the 2022 EWS series and joining my team Nukeproof-SRAM Factory Racing due to some complications with asthma following contracting covid 2 weeks ago. After being deemed unfit to race by my doctor, we have made the decision to give my body some more time to heal. It’s not a decision that was made lightly. The last two years for me have been a battle. Things out of my control keep preventing me from doing what I love. At the moment it feels like one setback after another, however it’s a battle I’m willing to fight and not give up on. I wouldn’t be me if I couldn’t put my all into my racing. Huge thank you to my sponsors and my team who give me the most support and always have my back. This battle is not over, I will be on the hunt soon |
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Seems most of the world has moved on. Wasn’t sure what to expect here, but so far lots of old signs saying masks required, and no one wearing them etc.
It is a tricky one though - we do need to learn to live with it but it might be more prudent in some situations to still keep some form of isolation in place.
There are quiet a few people that got problems with their heart and lung for many weeks due to getting back to full training intensity too soon. I think it's better to sit this round out and recover fully before you hurt yourself in the long run
Here's the source which shows that the vaccinated in the USA are testing positive at a rate double that of the unvaccinated. I guess Walgreens are just a bunch of antivax nuts, eh? This hasn't been about Science for a very long time....
www.walgreens.com/images/adaptive/pharmacy/healthcenter/b2b/pdfs/Aegis_Wag_COVID_Surveillance_20210827_Update_20220511.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiHkPnEsoL4AhVKXcAKHW6DDDMQFnoECAsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1QvvAlpKq49ckwZr0qQ6ip
www.walgreens.com/images/adaptive/pharmacy/healthcenter/b2b/pdfs/Aegis_Wag_COVID_Surveillance_20210827_Update_20220511.pdf
being asymptomatic yet still going out in public.
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7121e1.htm
Something I don't see in this paper - how many people were included in the study and what was the distribution compared to cases in those areas (were a lot of the negatives living unvaccinated in spread out rural areas for example).
-Although lower (2% difference) for unvaccinated, the report specifies that most people taking the rapid test were from rural areas with lower covid numbers.
-Unvaccinated people were more likely to report getting covid more than once.
-You failed to discuss the whole part about how much more significantly the unvaccinated group experienced significant symptoms compared to vaccinated.
While we are at it, let's debunk your lies and misrepresentations of what I said:
- "Although lower (2% difference) for unvaccinated"
5% positivity rate vs 7.5% positivity rate is not a 2% difference, its a 50% difference. There is no way you do not know exactly what you are doing by misrepresenting that.
- "the report specifies that most people taking the rapid test were from rural areas with lower covid numbers. "
The percent living in a rural area for the unvaccinated cohort is 30% and 23% for the vaccinated. This does not even remotely come close to explaining a 50% difference in positivity rates. Again, there is no way you do not k ow that this isn't the significant factor in these statistics.
"-Unvaccinated people were more likely to report getting covid more than once."
The paper does not say that...and you accuse me of cherry picking when you literally make up something which isn't even in the paper at all. Nowhere in that paper does it say that the unvaccinated are more likely to get Covid more than once. In fact there are multiple papers out there showing the opposite as natural immunity is much stronger than the vaccine which only targets the spike protein which has mutated significantly at this stage.
Let me guess....you won't acknowledge any of these facts and will choose to stick rigidly to your beliefs.
Just sayin…..
You know Walgreens is a pharmacy right? Yet you seem surprised that they have come to the conclusion that people should continue to take a pharmaceutical product that has made them billions over the last year? You know all the anti climate change papers submitted and published by people on the payroll of oil companies and the like are also PhD graduates too, yeah? I take it we shouldn't question anything they say either?
Hope things get back to normal for you soon.
But you suddenly don't approve of that message? Why?
"Also, vaccines are THE cause of more covid cases: bullshit." there is literally a study linked which shows exactly that but you call bullshit...so intelligent. There are many more studies showing exactly the same thing. Ireland had the second highest rate of vaccinated population in Europe last winter and it also had the highest number of daily covid cases for months on end. It was incredible, Ireland went from 2-3000 cases per day and then after the booster campaign they suddenly started having 20-40k cases a day and it correlates almost perfectly with uptake of the booster. Similar story in Portugal which is by far the most vaccinated country in Europe. Their daily cases are through the roof and have been for months. Its amazing how you can't even fathom that this could be a real hypothesis.
I'm willing to admit there could be other explanations but I haven't really seen any.
Masques and jabs are'nt the solution...th're the problem!
But giving you the benefit of the doubt, this seems like the reasonable situation/explanation to me, and I'd be interested to see what you think of it:
Omicron variant has been found to be more transmissible than earlier variants, and this a usual result of virus mutation. It started popping up around October of last year, coincidentally around the same time that many people around the world were getting their 2nd or 3rd shot of the vaccine. No vaccine nor natural immunity is 100% immunity, so, definitely some of those vaccinated people are still going to get sick.
On top of this, in the data in the study that you linked, vaccinated people tended to be less likely to live in rural areas, live in higher positivity rate counties, and were more likely to report close contact with someone who had the virus. You can glean from this information that vaccinated people tended to live in higher population areas AND were more careless about protective measures. I can through anecdotal evidence say that has 100% been the case for me.
I don't buy that there's a worldwide conspiracy to keep us under a worthless needle for profit. There are just as many studies out there that show correlation between being vaccinated and reduced lethality.
To my mind, Sam opting to stay home and recover properly is the sensible choice - he's got to think about long term health effects, how that impacts his future earning potential if he doesn't be sensible and recover properly, plus the human decency factor of not risking passing it on to others.
In Ireland we had mandatory masking with very high compliance rates (I can barely ever remember seeing anyone in shops not complying with the mask mandate) highest booster uptake in Europe, unvaccinated people not allowed into restaurants, pubs, cinemas, etc and it is a country with a very high rural population, very low levels of public transportation usage, etc. And still we had the highest case numbers in Europe all through December, January and February. Then suddenly and shockingly we removed the restrictions completely and the numbers didn't really change at all. We had doom sayers and experts telling us it was premature and a wave of death would overwhelm hospitals within 2 weeks but it never happened. Almost nothing they ever claimed would happen came to pass.
Regarding unvaccinated people I can only really speak for myself and a few other friends who I know are unvaccinated. My vaccinated girlfriend had covid and I spent every single night with her when she had it yet I never got it. I have another friend who tried his best to get it so he could get a cert to allow him travel to Canada fro skiing and he could not get it despite drinking with friends who actively were positive. My brother hasn't caught it despite not shielding or taking excessive measures to not get it. My parents haven't caught it and they didn't get the booster. In fact not a single person I know who is unvaccinated has caught covid in the last few months yet almost everyone I know who has had the vaccine or booster has tested positive. I would assume we have all had covid and never knew it so therefore have quite strong natural immunity at this point. We are three years into this thing and I still don't know a single person who has been seriously ill from Covid or who has had "long covid".
There is good evidence out there that this is due to natural immunity being superior and the vaccines only targeting spike proteins.
Here is a link to a new paper, published by a very reputable source which shows the mechanism of why vaccinated people are now getting infected at much higher rates than the unvaccined.
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.18.22271936v1.full
TL;DR - unvaccinated people with natural immunity have far higher levers of anti-nucleocapsid antibodies than people who have been vaccinated. This is a secondary line of defence against a virus and protects the body against parts of the virus which are slower to mutate than the spike protein. Once the spike protein mutates significantly then the mrna jabs are useless as we have seen with omicron. An unvaccinated person with a mild infection had a 71 percent chance of mounting an immune response that included those antibodies. A vaccinated person had about a 15 percent chance.
Only in cases of severe infection and very high viral loads did the difference narrow significantly; in those cases all unvaccinated people and most of the vaccinated had anti-nucleocapsid antibodies.
So no....its not "bullshit" to claim that vaccines may be weakening peoples ability to create long term immunity to covid. Its based on science and people should be skeptical when profit driven experts continually make predictions which do not come through.
@jstnrt no problem. I hate how people resort to calling others trolls when they disagree. Disagreeing is a good thing. People shouldn't cling on to beliefs so steadfastly. Science is always changing. Almost nothing is "settled science". Particularly when it comes to a rapidly mutating novel virus.
" I won’t be making the first round of the 2022 EWS and joining my team due to some complications with asthma following contracting covid 2 weeks ago. After being deemed unfit to race by my doctor, we have made the decision to give my body some more time to heal."
What's your next hot take? "When are we going to stop giving dislocated shoulders this inflated sense of importance"?
Healing vibs to Sam, we can’t wait to see you mixing it up on the trail.
Thank you for protecting all of the stupid and naive people from dangerous information that only clever people like you can see. You provide a vital role in society and like all censors throughout history will be totally benevolent and wise.
I tested positive February '21. My fever and shitty feeling was gone in 5 days.It took 6 months to regain my Arobic threshold. Then another 3 months of riding 2-3 days a week to recover the skillz.
I had covid and the symptoms were minor, as they are for man. However, anecdotal evidence does not equate to fact.
Covid is serious shit for a lot of people even if it isn’t for everyone.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer or anti-science. Worked in pharmacy industry for many years, have a science degree, and also worked in science research. There are a lot of very qualified and experienced doctors and scientists that have a lot of questions about the vaccines.
www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9jMONZMuS2U
I'm not "claiming" anything, I'm referencing scientific papers that are showing this is exactly what is happening. And no its not a conspiracy that the jab is the virus which I'm sure is the next step in what you will claim I'm saying. Its simply the result of putting a product with no long term testing out into the public domain on a massive scale. They obviously couldn't have predicted that these vaccines would inhibit the production of certain types of antibodies which is now having a negative efficacy effect on peoples immune system.
Can you not read the linked paper which shows that vaccinated people are massively lacking in the secondary line of defence that comes from anti-nucleocapsid antibodies? Vaccinated people need 100,000 times the viral load to produce the same amount of anti-nucleocapsid antibodies as the unvaccinated. This is literally science and you lads will not acknowledge that things are changing?
Why do ye think vaccines were studied for 10 years or more before release until this one arrived? Were they just dawdling along? There are certain things that only reveal themselves through long term testing and this is one of them.
I'd read the paper and it may well be true.I don't see the link.
We all rolled the the dice on both sides of the jab. I'm fine with my choices. Perhaps I can unvaccinate.now that the virus has mutated into a form with fewer bad outcomes.
There are several things I find interesting about that study. First, that is older data. April 4–December 25, 2021. It does not include Omicron data. It also says that it recognizes that the vaccine effectiveness waned with the emergence of Delta, so they are aware of the vaccine's decrease in effectiveness either from time or different variant. It still does not consider possible adverse side effects that may occur and does not consider how effective natural immunity may be and that may last for decades or a lifetime.
The study itself says that it has five limitations. I'll list three that I find interesting that raise some questions. 1. "this ecological study lacked multivariable adjustments, and causality could not be determined. Possible differences in testing, infection-derived immunity, waning of vaccine-derived immunity, or prevention behaviors by age and vaccination status might partly explain differences in rates between groups; trends are likely affected by temporal changes in testing or reporting." 2. "Variable data linkage completeness might have resulted in misclassifications (e.g., booster doses not being linked to primary series) that could influence IRR estimates." 3. "These data represent 62% of the overall U.S. population, and therefore might not be generalizable."
The VAERS data of adverse side effects and deaths is nothing to ignore. If the vaccine provides fractional protection, but comes with high risks of adverse side effects and deaths, the risks outweigh the benefits for me. Also, they don't know what longer term adverse side effects may be because it only took 8 months to go through the safety protocols, clinical trials, etc. Normally it takes 10 years for vaccines and medications to get through the FDA.. Again just look at the cases and death totals of the world and per different country pre-vaccine and post-vaccine. If the vaccines were as effective as they claimed at 95% efficacy and protecting against infection and transmission, the cases and deaths would near gone because the vast majority of the populations are vaccinated.
"The total number of deaths associated with the COVID-19 vaccines is more than double the number of deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since the year 1990."
vaersanalysis.info/2022/05/27/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-5-20-2022
At this point, I am still more concerned about the vaccine safety than COVID. Having to waive all rights to hold the the vaccine companies, governments, or the companies that administered the vaccines liable for any adverse side effects or death brings up my questions for me. Just my opinion.
These Project Veritas undercover videos of FDA executive raise eyebrows.
www.projectveritas.com/video/fda-executive-officer-on-hidden-camera-reveals-future-covid-policy-biden
www.projectveritas.com/video/fda-executive-officer-exposes-close-ties-between-agency-and-pharmaceutical
What annoys me most is that when I say I know people who have had adverse reactions to the vaccine they just will not believe you. Total denial that it's even possible and they won't even engage the possibility that it could happen. The wife of a colleague recently went for screening where they put dye into the blood checking for leaky heart valves. She immediately went into anaphylaxis despite having had the procedure before with no issue. The doctor said in 10 years he never experienced it before but it had happened twice that week on two women who had recently had the booster. The doctor was the one making the link in this case.
I have another friend who would be as straight laced as they come and not even remotely into conspiracy theories or even vaguely interested in any of the political aspect of covid. I expected him to be very judgemental of me not getting the vaccine until he told me one of the girls in his athletics club has basically been wheelchair bound since she received the vaccine. Her heart rate spikes instantly when she does anything and she gets shooting pains all over. These are real people I know and these are not stories I was ever hearing about until the last year. I still don't know a single person who has died of or has had a long term injury because of Covid.
"When the unadjusted positivity was calculated for those with previous COVID-19 infection, unvaccinated
patients were significantly more likely to test positive than vaccinated patients."
Sorry, I don't take blood clotting, myocarditis, or pericarditis lightly. I worked in science research on a cholesterol experiment (HDL, LDL) program at Stanford.
again, what's sad is the damage you do to people who listen to your unfounded, illogical arguments.
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Holy sh!t, you're so full of crap.
I have some dope anti cabal, anti mind controlling hats to sell. Just one hundred bucks and you'll be save! I'll even throw in a discount if you order more than one!
I worked in pharma, aka I have a bachelor degree, therefore I understand everything"
What you are is a prime example of the dunning Kruger effect
Not saying big pharma is all bad because there are medications and vaccines that have worked well, but they definitely push out medications/vaccines as fast as they can with questionable efficacy and adverse side effects and questionable studies because of the big money. 60%+ of Pfizer's profit in 2021 was from the vaccines. You think they have motivation to push vaccines and boosters. So, yeah, I question the safety of the medications and vaccines that have not been tried and true for decades or gone through the standard 10 years of safety protocols and clinical trials.
A Russian troll would explain so much...
I think you are just smart enough to know a few things, but apparently you are not smart enough to make the correct choices regarding your sources. You obviously are scowering the net for information that fits your worldview instead of looking for information as data. For some reason all the information that does not fit your narrative is deemed corrupt and fake and on the other hand you seem to be blind and unable to find anything wrong with information that fits your needs.
I guess American media is partly to blame, but you should have been educated about this by the University you briefly visited.
Honestly nobody cares any more if you get vaccinated or not. People at risk had the time to get a jab. It is just sad that there are people all over the world claiming bullshit regarding Covid and the vaccines and making money off it and enough fools get influenced by those parasites and make stupid decisions because of that.
There's a great meme going around of Trump speaking at Davos in 2018 and all the German delegation laughing at him when he says they will be entirely dependent of Russian oil and Gas and praises Poland for getting independent of Russia....German arrogance has always been a problem.
the virus wasn't the problem, it was our panicking knee jerk reactions in which we gave complete control over to a bunch of people that routinely demonstrate their inability to lead or remain corruptionless.
If you are for protecting the masses and not the vocal minorities, covid lockdowns/restrictions make no rational sense.
not agreeing with tackling dummy but the fact that you said this after calling him a russian troll is pretty hilarious.
Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity. It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate".
I guess I'm a traitor for not wanting to get involved in Iraq too. Par for the course. War mongers aren't affiliated with parties.
They call everyone that disagrees with them Russian trolls. Do these lads really think Russia has the resources in the middle of a crippling war to be engaging multiple trolls on a mountain bike discussion forum. It's mental that they've been led to believe Russian trolling is everywhere.
Reds under the beds.
I think the above clip sums up an awful lot of the comments from users like whoopsy. Fully sure of their own intelligence to the point of obnoxious bragging and then it all goes horribly wrong when actually IQ tested. So many people are like this now, they think they are intelligent when in reality the university system has just been massively dumbed down to churn out clowns who can pay lots of money for meaningless paper and have no critical thinking ability but are still convinced they are the clever ones.
The down votes are because you're a fool.
I dont think you've fully read or understand the paper. Several conclusions you've drawn through out this thread are not borne out by a statistically significant p values. There is also many statements in the paper contradicting you. Lastly there is not a power calculation that I can see in the document that means any conclusions drawn are valid in application to the study population, let alone the wider world, regardless of the p values.
Interested to hear your thoughts on this sentence in your Walgreens 'paper'. If like other 'facts' in this document you believe are true do you want to see more severely ill people die in hospital.
Conclusion section. Page 4 "Importantly, recent studies have demonstrated that the COVID-19 vaccine continues to offer strong protection against the most severe illnesses that result in hospitalizations and
deaths."
Page 12 conclusion
"The COVID-19 pandemic has taken a tremendous toll on both individual lives and the healthcare systems across
the nation and world. Non-pharmacologic risk mitigation strategies and vaccinations have made significant progress in reducing viral transmission and deaths associated with SARS-CoV-2."
I would say this is probably level 4 evidence at best. So not a strong basis for scientific decision making. Anyone can observe a difference in two groups and fit the statistics to fit their story.
Just for anyone wondering about levels of evidence.
Level I Evidence from a systematic review or meta-analysis of all relevant RCTs (randomized controlled trial) or evidence-based clinical practice guidelines based on systematic reviews of RCTs or 3 or more RCTs of good quality that have similar results.
Level II Evidence obtained from at least one well designed RCT (eg large multi-site RCT).
Level III Evidence obtained from well-designed controlled trials without randomization (ie quasi-experimental).
Level IV Evidence from well-designed case-control or cohort studies.
Level V Evidence from systematic reviews of descriptive and qualitative studies (meta-synthesis).
Level VI Evidence from a single descriptive or qualitative study.
Level VII Evidence from the opinion of authorities and/or reports of expert committees.
The vaccine is clearly not stopping the spread, considering we have a 90%++ rate of vaccination in my town.
So maybe don't make arguments like a mental amoeba?
A lot of the blame lies with media and education today, everything is being politicized so much now, and many opinions are pushed as fact.
Critical thinking is dying, and I'm starting to fear it's by design, really hope I'm wrong though.
How people still swallow the programming like you, I will never understand.
Have everyone forgotten about Iraq? Swine flu? Bank bailouts?
That the scum in DC and on wall street have managed to not only silence all dissent, but also make people defend them as the authority on morals, baffles me.
Fun little bit of homework, try checking google analytics for you favourite buzzwords (racism, misoginy, fake news, misinformation, conspiracy theory, etc.) and occupy wall street.
Your buzzwords aren't something that was just suddenly way more relevant, it was a concerted effort to deflect from something way more important, and was a massive success.
The billionaire scum you parrot, are not your friends.
"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"
What I really want to know is what other conspiracy theories you're into. The likelihood of it being "none" is zero.
Are you also known as "VirusGuy"?
If COVID is such a danger and concern, the policies would be applied equally. I guess only certain groups of people can transmit COVID.
So an NHS consultant cardiologist says there is very good evidence Pfizer lied about the trials and efficacy of the vaccines....
Is he a fool? At what point will people like you begin to accept even a little bit of the counter evidence which is coming out everyday from very reputable sources?
From what I can see people like you don't accept any criticism of the vaccine program. It's interesting to see how long you guys will keep up the abuse of people who don't share your opinion....
Most likely I assume you will just ignore it and live in ignorance.
Ignorance?
www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/23/ignaz-semmelweis-handwashing-coronavirus
I love how people like you would now do exactly the same thing to that man in the 21st century. Ridiculed by other "experts".
You do not understand how to think or accept opinions that are not the majority. Its tragic.
The twitter article points towards flaws at 3 of 153 research centres. Totaling 1000 patients of 43000. There may be more. Its primary focis is actually on a failure of whistle blowing and regulatory bodies. This is clearly unacceptable. I'm sure he's a good cardiologist and able to appraise evidence.
Vaccines aren't a panacea and are by no means 100% safe. Nothing is. However I believe they are an effective tool in modern medicine. Smallpox wasn't great, now just exists in labs. The reason? Inoculation. When we chose to get a vaccine it is in the knowledge that we take a tiny risk to benefit the wider world. Much like if you give blood, it's a tiny risk to you but a big benefit to others in need or the vulnerable.
I'm not going to try and discuss or reason with you any further. Its clearly pointless as we both obviously have a view that is not likely to change.
Let's all get back to bikes. After all that's why we are on this site.
The USA did not, but I still see people protesting online (No Mandates!). Sure, if you weren't vaxxed, you could be excluded entry from certain venues for a while, but it was never Mandated by force.
The equation for lockdowns, masks, etc. is so simple, even you can understand it. You saturate the hospitals, everyone's f*cked. Granted, Covid measure aren't pretty and the negative impacts are manifold. Governments rarely make perfect decisions. However, letting covid rip through populations would have brought economies to their knees like you can't even imagine. Developing vaccines that quick (thanks to the groundwork that already existed) was hella lucky, but also the child of necessity. And you actually think the biggest single covid-related problem is the science that curtailed it? Look around at all the freaks, fantasists and absolute loopers who agree with you and understand what shaky ground you are on.
FYI (this is actual information, not some glib bollocks I made up), my ex was in hospital with covid in March 2020. Couldn't breathe for a week. I had pretty serious asthma for 2 months after covid. My mum caught it 1 month after the 4th jab and she barely noticed it. She's 78. My 4-jab dad didn't even develop symptoms, despite regularly kissing her on the lips.... Wait, "naiveté"? GTFO off my language. Jesus, go and get laid before your trigger finger lands you on TV.
I enjoyed that, thanks for giving my faux-intellectualism the forum it yearns for.
Shaky ground is thinking lockdowns were even remotely close to worth it. To be honest, that's not even shaky ground, it's just flat out proven wrong now. The mantra of "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING" is so dumb and harmful. There was no easy button and people don't want to accept that.
On the other hand I was speaking with the daughter of a family friend yesterday and she said her father is dying because his follow up scans for cancer were put off for 6 months and it's now too late. I've heard this story far more times now than I have heard about anyone dying from covid. The excess deaths over the next few years from cancer and other illnesses will far outstrip the covid deaths.
Oh, contrarians know very well the world is chaotic. They know, that with any measure implemented there will be unforseen costs that will not be accounted for in the cost benefit analysis. They know well that in the chaotic real world some simplified campaign slogans like “vaccines save lives” do not hold up as universal truths. They also know well about chaotic interests, incentives, motivations and corruption of public and corporate institutions, to simply believe that what those institutions do is solely driven by their official mission statement.
It is control freaks like you , who need a simple answer of “masks, distance, vaccine” to feel certain and to feel safe
Great to see a sensible comment.
Sam made a decision to protect the health of himself, his family and his team.
Can't believe the amount of controversy this post has generated. A world dividend re a response to a deadly disease.
glad you got some sense of importance/superiority from your misguided mudslinging, it says a lot about how devoid of meaning your life must be. cheers
Actually, f*ck it.
"Oh, contrarians know very well the world is chaotic. They know, that with any measure implemented there will be unforseen costs that will not be accounted for in the cost benefit analysis."
No, everybody who cares to put their mind into first gear knows this. But we also know that just because the response to the virus (whatever form it has taken across the territories of the globe) has been somewhat haphazard and undoubtedly damaging in a number of ways, that these measures were in no way designed to accelerate the inception of a new world order, a great replacement, the creation of a docile population, bla bla bla... The way in which the pandemic was exploited in all kinds of different ways by governments and corporations of varying temperaments and criminality is in no way a reflection of the true impact of the virus. Ultimately, measures were put in place because this was a novel virus that nobody knew how to handle and for which there was little precedent. So you're attempting to demonstrate that governments shooting in the dark were motivated not by trying not to lose large swathes of their populations (i.e., taxpayers), but looking to what... traumatize kids for shit and giggles? Stop people smiling at each other? Keep people off the streets because they hate the free-market economy? Tank entire industries such as aviation, hospitality and tourism? Really? China very likely went hardcore to reassure/intimidate its people regarding its omnipotence, so yes that was political, but it doesn’t change the fact that it saved lives by doing so (yes, the CCP is a murderous, authoritarian, genocidal regime, but let’s keep to the topic at hand).
A quick point on lockdowns in the west: had the UK locked down a week earlier, thousands of deaths would have been prevented and the lockdown would have ended earlier. Competent individuals did the research so « truthers » don’t have to make shit up. As for Australia/NZ playing the every-human-counts game, which most countries attempted after the horse had bolted, you’ll have to ask their populations what they thought of that and the fact that their grannies and vulnerable relatives are still alive.
The fact that opportunistic posturing and corruption in public procurement were rife is merely a reflection of the terrible individuals who sadly hold the tiller of our nations. "Big pharma" can be accused of many things, but scientists stepped in and worked with the industry to stabilise a situation that would have been even uglier had they not. Did you visit covid wards in Italy, France, Spain, the UK, Germany, NYC (to mention only places I am familiar with). Do you know that the true death toll is 3-4 times what we see on worldometer? Are you aware of the many, many governments in developing and even western countries who disclosed grossly underestimated figures? The bodies being incinerated in huge public space in India? The catastrophe that unfolded in Peru, Brazil, Iran… This is a "not seeing the wood for the trees" issue.
Just a quick bit on Sweden. This is a country with a highly socialised healthcare system and a population with a higher-than-average life expectancy who know how to look after themselves and can be trusted not to lick each others faces in confined spaces if you ask them not to. That would not have worked in France or Spain where we can't stop touching each other. Neighbouring Norway applied restrictions and had a significantly lower all-cause death rate during the pandemic.
The US is at the other end of the spectrum. The official figure fails in great part to cover those who died at home because they didn’t want to incur the cost of going to hospital. Thousands died in their beds, untested. Most of these people were not tested. But I’m guessing that doesn’t bother those who have happily lived alongside victims of healthcare poverty since time immemorial, so it was basically business as usual, just more so, in the land of the free. You have to admit that millions of uninsured Americans are more likely to end up in a funeral parlour than a healthcare establishment. But that’s not even news in the US. Others went to hospital and were bankrupted. The unvaccinated (remember your antivax brethren gasping in disbelief as they perished?) cost the US healthcare system the GDP of a small country over the last couple of years. Another example of individual freedoms shitting on collective liberties.
And no, there is no certainty with masks, distancing or vaccines, but every measure taken has a marginal effect that will save someone somewhere from death, illness or long covid. I hate masks. I don't wear them anymore, be it on the plane or train. Because I've got fresh antibodies and those who don't can do what they want. Anyone can buy a mask that will protect them to a very large extent. I feel safe AF, but only because I've had covid twice, 3 jabs and I'm back to 110%.
@humoroususername: my man, in the same f*cking post you talk about people who « would have died anyway » in the first paragraph, before lamenting the fact that a cancer sufferer… *died anyway*… in the second. You know what’s sure to kill a cancer sufferer even faster? Catching f*cking covid. And let’s not even get started on those who, in normal times, live quite happily (happily enough not to be disposable) with diabetes, respiratory problems and so on. Funny how proponents of the Great Replacement theory (not saying you are one) are happy to see so many kick the bucket with no replacement. Then again, ethnic minorities took one hell of a hit from the old ‘rona, which makes it harder to fault the inconsistency.
« The excess deaths over the next few years from cancer and other illnesses will far outstrip the covid deaths. » Yeah, but they were going to die anyway.
@pistol2ne: « Don't get me started on the leftist movement in this country that wanted lockdowns for political reasons (this also includes some worldly organizations as seeing it as an opportunity for change). » Don’t get you started? Why would you omit to mention the entire premise of your arguments. It’s the f*ckin commies, man! That ship sailed a while ago. If your hero is Joseph McCarthy, I suggest you do a little research on that massive charlatan. Oh, and your substantive points are grounded in sheer conspiracist fantasy and are an utter fabrication. You know how I know? Because pretty much all the figures to which you hint are untrue. Red states saw more infections and more deaths on average, by some margin (30%). The only reason there wasn’t more of an outcry in these godforsaken places is that people in red states would rather die than accept government assistance, because they are conditioned to believe not only that any issue can be resolved with a gun and a dollop of machismo, but also that anyone who benefits from the altruism of others is a parasite and probably better off dead. Who pays to keep these Republican reality deniers alive? Not me, thank f*ck. Pardon the generalisations, but there’s only so much nuance I can provide.
« Hospitals were never overwhelmed in the US except for NYC for 2 months »
Ok, assuming this is true (I have very little faith that it is), are you essentially telling NYC to go f*ck itself? « What did NYC ever do for us ? ». Well, along with a few other select areas of your fine nation, it (only just) keeps the US from turning into the vast basket case and internationally ridiculed dumpster fire that it keep threatening to become.
@DavidGuerra : Your country has the most intelligent drug policy in the history of our species and the best people, so you get to say what you like xxx
My life is f*cking amazing and looking for meaning is a futile pursuit. I just can't help but argue with bullshit artists on the internets.
FL, age adjusted is about the same death rate as California, who destroyed their economy. The red states that did bad, are exponentially more obese than blue states. Obesity is the 2nd leading factor, besides age for covid deaths.
Sorry your biosecurity state got loads of holes poked in it and people woke up to the fact they were shooting from their hip and didn't actually know shit. Btw, their ideas, will ultimately kill more people than it saved. People distrusting public health officials (rightfully so) will lead to lower vax rates of vaccines that stop the spread of its disease. Not to mention the previous crippling economic things that it caused which has been correlated for eons to lower longevity of life.
And yes, many leftists, some communists and socialists wanted everything shut down and people to get 2k a month. I don't want that, neither does the general population. Don't act like a large portion of the left co-opted it to push dumbass political agendas.
Of course, dead people is not a great way to get reelected, and that is why we had lockdowns. Human life is considered to be the single most important thing in the world even though there are far too many humans. 200 years ago there were only a billion people. Now there are 8 billion. What statistic!
Your country and the food lobbies have been working together for years to make as much cash as possible by offering the worst food standards in the developed world. And now you want all the fat people they created dead? Isn't that going to f*ck up the economy? Who's going to eat all your local delicacies?
btw
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/california/article256675307.html
You can keep making up economic figures all you like, doesn't make them true. You think I don't have access to the web? How do you think we're talking now?
The rest of your disappointing response is a baseless stream of consciousness skewed by your fear that governements could be a force for good. You don't know shit about France. There are many reasons to criticize where it's headed, but the French know when they're getting f*cked, while Republicans spread their cheeks. The distrust of health officials is fuelled primarily by online kooks, the same ones who told you Trump was on a crusade to rid America of Satanic peodophiles, that muslims want to rape your daughter and that jews planned 9/11.
Also, "dumbass political agendas"? Please elaborate. You mean supporting working people? You realise you're also a person right?
@jaame: absolutely, if you're fat or old, do f*ck off, the rest of us have lives worth living.
""vaccines save lives" is an empty slogan" - Did I say it is an empty slogan? Or did I say it is wrong to push it as a universal truth? Do you understand the difference?
"these measures were in no way designed to accelerate the inception of a new world order, a great replacement, the creation of a docile population" - Did I write something like that, or you made it up?
"Ultimately, measures were put in place because this was a novel virus that nobody knew how to handle and for which there was little precedent" - The virus was novel in 2020, and during that time I think the measures were fully justified. By Q2-Q3 2021 we had a shitload of data about the virus. Data which was very clear and accessible to everybody. We roughly knew the effectiveness and side-effects of the implemented measures. We also had an option to get a vaccine for everyone willing to do so. Yet the most drastic restrictions came in Q4 2021 - Q1-2022, when vax rates were 50-60%, and in vulnerable groups 70+%.
"traumatize kids for shit and giggles? Stop people smiling at each other? Keep people off the streets because they hate the free-market economy?" - are you high on something, because you keep seeing shit I never wrote. Governments were lobbied by companies, who in turn were motivated by profit. They allow 50000+ deaths year after year for 2 decades from opioid overdose, for the same motive. And you think they would care about a few hundred dead kids? You seem to realise very well what a shitshow the US healthcare system is, yet you expect the very same people who actively work to make sure this inhumane system never improves to somehow produce different results when it comes to corona? They couldn't even if they wanted. Because habit, competition, incentive structure, corporate culture will put them back on the same course.
Unrestricted 'Never let a good crisis go to waste' mentality turned what started as a sensible reaction to a problem, into a complete clusterfk of bad public policy, corruption, mccarthyism and authoritarianism.
You said "simplified campaign slogans like “vaccines save lives” " - please excuse me if I read into that the possibility that you may be vulnerable to dodgy information.
We agree on the opportunism of certain miscreants in government. We had the eminently corrupt Trump and Johnson administrations in place in the US and UK FFS. My point was that the fact that covid was exploited by agents of greed doesn't mean that it wasn't worthy of drastic measures for a time. Yes, in HY2 2021 it was way more under control because of vaccines and prior infections. But where the hell do you get the idea that this was when restrictions were at their most sringent. I flew to Sicily for a holiday in October 2021 and to England for Christmas. WTF were you doing? Living in a tower block in China? Can you people stop firing bogus information around as if it's borne out by reality?
And don't equate the opioid crisis with anything to do with covid. Nobody's getting hooked on Moderna jabs. And the vaccine campaign was a global one. You think the EU's health bodies operate in the same way as the FDA? Or as the institutions of any other country in the world? The global alignment was pretty strong. Do you think the governments of Finland, South Korea or South Africa were all in on a conspiracy with Pfizer? No, they were not. And even if we only consider America. You know it's possible for people and entities to behave differently depending on the context right? You don't think that perhaps for a few months, actual clinical research specialists were killing themselves to find a way to stop the rot without being motivated by the idea of wealth and glory? You're barking up the wrong tree, wearing mistrust of government as a badge of honour, rather than a way in to greater insight.
McCarthyism? Authoritarianism? Irrelevant.
And if you knew me, you'd feel like an idiot for calling me a control freak, but I guess you're immune to that sensation.
www.politico.com/news/2021/06/24/gop-states-fight-uneven-recovery-495762
You also seem angry lol. I didn't vote for trump and I certainly distrust public health officials, there are lots of people like me in the US.
Didn't you just say "Your country has been working for years by offering the worst food standards in the developed world" LOL, yes, I totally trust them to weigh the balances of economy and lockdown harms vs people dying of covid and how worthless lockdowns are.
EU governing bodies have the same massive lobbying problem as US governing bodies.
Government of Finland and South Korea? As well as all other governments they were put into a situation where their independent decision making ability was reduced, none of them had access to full trial data, none had a chance to verify any of the claims or request additional trials. They were given an all-or-nothing proposal in which they had to trust the lead of US and FDA.
Clinical reasearchers did tremendous work no doubt. But they had as much say in how their work will be used, as you and I. I’m sure Oppenheimer wasnt a bloodthirsty killer either, but 200k people died. And when he protested, mccarthyism treated him well then, as it is doing with the dissenting people now. So it is very much relevant.
You can keep yapping, but honestly you dont even say anything substantive or original, so it is quite boring to discuss.
Quickfire response on the vaccine trials. Yes, they were full trials and went through all the necessary phases. This information should be available to you if you have a personal computer at home.
The sentence "They were given an all-or-nothing proposal in which they had to trust the lead of US and FDA." Ok, so the other statements of this kind I've seen made here were mostly conjecture, so it's pinch of salt time, but in times of war, you use the weapons at your disposal, especially when they are proven to be extremely effective. The people who's lives and health outcomes you save in the process DGAF about your self-destructive libertarian agenda.
I think someone mentioned we have a far-right government in France now. Did you really say that? This blows a major hole in my motivation to keep talking here. The president of France is Emmanuel Macron, a "centrist" techocrat who used to be in the socialist party. He won 58% of the vote. The subsequent parliamentary elections generated a mixed bag dominated by centre left and greens. Jesus, is this an even bigger waste of time than we already knew it was?
The 2-week house arrest thing. After coming back from England at xmas we could test after 48 hours and our personal lockdown ended if it was -ve.
EU bodies do not have the same lobbying problem as US bodies. Not even close. Companies can't just do what they want. Regulations are way stricter and while nothing is perfect, consumer protections are a f*ck of a lot better here, particularly when it comes to agrifood. That's why we don't have American levels of food poisoning deaths.
Final point to whichever truth twister said this: "It seems like you don't think people are smart enough to make their own choice and prefer an often times, inept government to make it for you" Indeed, often they are not and the gaps they have in their knowledge are exploited again and again by every kind of a*shole under the sun, who then claim they made their choices in a free and democratic way.
Ok, I'm done. I'm sure someone will read your victory speeches, but it won't be me.
"guys this isn't going anywhere I'm done"
rofl this shit is comedy gold
@SterlingArcher: your approach may well be more efficient than mine. I made the mistake of assuming that reading comprehension skills were a pre-requisite to any kind of written discussion.
@humoroususername: hmmm, apart from the 1 or 2 dudes who stated quite happily that a passive cull of the weak would improve our species.
1. I'm not "French"
2. Anyone who mentions a mid-20th century war as an attempted put down in a conversation about a 21st century pandemic is a f*cking idiot. Especially when their grasp of the detail of the conflict clearly boils down to nada. Also, I wasn't involved in that war, but came close to never being born due to a small altercation in Dunkerque.
3. The autism comment was another part of my brain (the "try not to be a twat" compartment - one day when you grow up, you may develop one) reminding me that people's perceptions are unique and subjective and in some cases this can affect their understanding of words. Unfortunately, the comment came across as sarcastic because the other part of me thought that was too charitable an interpretation and had already dismissed you as a generic empty conspiracy vessel who wilfully ignores reality.
4. I wouldn't call typing 2000-3000 words a fast abandonment of anything. It is probably a waste of time in the face of debate-winning arguments such as "LMMFAO" and "Machiavellian something something". Neither is "hahaha" a strong basis for an argument. There has to be something else.
6. You don't deserve more than 5 points. Now get some sleep. You have cars to wash in the morning.
Go for it BenPea, keep it coming!
The reverb sucks, only complaint, put a transfer on after it started sagging. Also the Michelin tires changed out for maxxis.
Oh no.
Get well soon Sam.
If you're concerned by potical....political will take your soul!
You're completely hypnotised.....people sucks!
No I didn't say you were 'full of shit'. Yes, I called BS because you said:
"easy to say but in California we couldn't ride our bikes for 4 months to "slow the spread".
It's bullshit that anyone told you you 'couldn't ride your bike for 4 months'. They tried to prevent people form congregating en mass in parking lots. The trails weren't closed to bike riders - that's what I call BS on. If you can't ride a mountain bike because a parking lot is closed, then you have other issues.
CA encouraged outdoor activities in the early days of the pandemic.
I caught it 3 days ago, double vaxxed and boosted and it’s absolutely throttling me. Last week my wife had it and was drinking beers and doing yard work with no symptoms.
Don’t give a flying f what side of it your on, it sucks when it sucks.
(SARS-CoV-2)" as they say.
This is fairly common in population health research as a way of taking small bites out of complex multivariate data. Importantly this is not done to make life easier for the statisticians. It's done to make sure they don't come to wild conclusions by attempting to relate things which truly might not be related.
Anyway, as a fellow mountain biker and an actual working scientist, I humbly ask you please don't go around drawing conclusion from data you've taken out of context. It's irresponsible and contributes to the confusions and distrust people have towards research.
@mikelevy for the next podcast can we deep dive into bayesian statistics and pre and post test probability regarding a disease? Since Covid is so hot right now, I suggest that smallpox be looked at instead, and we can see how it affected the bicycling world in the 1800's
I think this is not fair to all the people who don’t care. For fairness to be fair it must include all people and all the people must agree to care and that fair is fair if all the people care. So unlike Stalin this will be so much better for all the people. It’s really easy and makes so much sense that everyone will go along with this idea of fairness. Oh and anybody who thinks otherwise is not part of the group and will have to make up their own reality, something like Logan’s run featuring Holden. Enter the pleasure dome. Pretty weird how this shit f*cks with everyone. I said shitf*cks but did not mean it in a penetration sense like actually pushing in of the stool. Jesus, hitler and the pope walk into a bar in NYC. A local sez hey I didn’t know you were so short. Hitler is shit faced, can’t stand and drops his pants. Oh, well look at this and raises the goblet of iron to the ceiling and pours out monkeypocs. That’s the new shit y’all gotta watch out for. Monkeypox.
But only to someone outside of the PB sphere of influence, just to see the look on their face...
But a bet is by chance of luck and I know many that have had a hard time. Even a couple of years on.
Laid me in bed for a week in Feb and I still felt it yesterday running and on an MTB on the arvo when I was at my peak.
Hopefully he had a jab so what I had is the worst of it.
Giga is no doubt a weapon on the steep and chunky stuff, but maybe as an a Freddie Flintoff with ups and downs it's not the faster of the two.
Just a guess.
Two things to note: 1) different variants were prevalent then. 2) My recollection is that was after the bulk of the season's racing.
Downvote into oblivion covid cult.
Imagine being one of those people walking around with that shit in them rn seeing that the only people catching this shit are the ones with said shit in their body and the career/life ending side effects.
Good luck to you. I’ll be over here in the control group taking my 99.996% chance of survival with zero experimental shit floating around in my body.
Dem woofs everywhere but I don’t kill ‘em.
GSW Sam
f*ck, I love $cience
that's not just vaccines working and saving untold millions, of course. it also includes milder variants, prior infections, better treatments, and the most susceptible dying off.
but death rates are still 10x higher in the unvaxxed population.
not sure why i'm bothering to reason with you on this. you've made clear your intent to ignore data you don't like and stick to your pre-determined conclusion. good luck to you and yours when the next pandemic hits.
As you know, the vaccines were released in Dec 2020. Just look numbers for the world and country charts. Many countries have cases and deaths have gone up despite the majority of the populations vaccinated. Again, the cases and deaths would be a small fraction after Dec 2020 if the vaccines worked well.
Total World Cases 84M (Jan to Dec 31, 2020), 206M (Jan to Dec 31, 2021), 240M (Jan to May 29, 2022).
Total World Deaths 1.9M (Jan to Dec 30 2020), 3.5M (Jan to Dec 30, 2020), 836K (Jan to May 29, 2022)
Total US Cases 20.7M (Jan to Dec 31 2020), 35.6M (Jan to Dec 31, 2021), 29.3M (Jan to May 29, 2022)
Total US Deaths 369K (Feb to Dec 31, 2020), 482K (Jan to Dec 31, 2021), 179K ( Jan to May 29, 2022)
World
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus
US
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
Australia
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia
S. Korea
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea
Japan
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan
New Zealand
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand
Trump has been fact checked at telling over 30,000 lies during his 4 years in office.
At the very least verify the information you're given. Snopes.com, Politifact, All Sides, Media Bias, etc.
first, your own damn link for US data. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
daily deaths are under 500 and still falling. well off the 4K+ high in Jan 21 that has not been touched since. your claim that deaths have gone up after vaccination is bullshit.
if your fool question is why didn't deaths plummet in Dec 20 the moment vaccines started to become available, engage your brain. it took months to ramp to the pathetic 66% coverage we're at now. and the people who died in the interim (still at daily rates far off the peak) have been overwhelmingly the unvaxxed, a very sizeable population in part due to drooling idiots like yourself spreading bullshit.
but enough wasting my time with your sealioning requests for data that you already have. you are a cancer on society and i'd rather ride my bike on a nice day.
My information from worldometers.com is accurate and mirrors the WHO and CDC data and other data I posted is accurate. Add my totals, they equal the total cases and total deaths. I just broke them down into year, so you can see. Australia was at 95% vaccinated in Jan 2022, but the cases and deaths are climbing extremely fast. The same is in Japan, S. Korea, New Zealand, Germany, among others where vaccination is extremely high, but cases and deaths are high. Cases and deaths in France, UK, Italy, and Spain are about the same post-vaccine. Cases were higher for the world and US in 2021. Again, look at the deaths of the US per year. Total US Deaths 369K (Feb to Dec 31, 2020), 482K (Jan to Dec 31, 2021), 179K (Jan to May 29, 2022) with the trajectory of cases and deaths to be either higher or about the same with extremely high rates of vaccination.
USA Today "COVID-19 deaths in 2021 have surpassed last year's count, CDC data shows: Live updates"
www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/11/22/covid-death-toll-vaccine-mandate-united-states/8712846002
WebMD.com "U.S. COVID-19 Deaths in 2021 Surpass 2020 Total" as o Nov 22, 2021 with more than month in 2021.
www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total
Guardian "Australia reaches 95% first-dose vaccination rate but Covid deaths continue to climb"
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/15/australia-reaches-95-first-dose-vaccination-rate-but-covid-deaths-continue-to-climb
News.com.au "Australia’s Covid-19 deaths in 2022 more than double combined total from previous two years"
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/australias-covid19-deaths-in-2022-more-than-double-combined-total-from-previous-two-years/news-story/6b060bd62424e04b247b040c6022bda7
Yeah, I know, you already told me several times that I'm an idiot and toxic cancer to society for posting data and articles from leftist websites and organizations that you all get your COVID data and information from. The mob squads have spoken.
Good luck with your 5th or 6th booster shot in 2 years that is likely coming before the upcoming COVID (flu) season. Yeah, the vaccines are working great!!
You are so right. I can't believe the way this story has caused so much comment. Antivaxxers crawling out of their rabbit holes. Bull.... and ignorance abounds. Covid is real and killing people everyday. Conspiracy theory has sucked in people the world over. Crazy!
Sam is right to stay home and rest up for a full recovery. He has nothing to prove race wise anyway - he's a champion.
www.ntd.com/aviation-coalition-calls-to-end-vaccine-mandate_781593.html
twitter.com/freetoflycanada/status/1526638596282777603
For another 2 weeks I was riding at 95% of my normal pace and then it was back at 100%. Still had a occasional cough for 3 weeks but nothing really annoying.
My wife was the same actually and my daughter tested negative all the time.
Overall I prefer Covid than a cold, the symptoms are for me less annoying.
How big do blue whales grow?
How long is the drive to your Mom's house?
50 and up is where the mortality numbers spike. Is that the average age life expectancy in your area? This illness that's killed 6.3 million people isn't "that bad"? Masks cause mental health epidemics? Overdose and suicide are now the leading cause of death?
How the f*ck can anyone be this stupid?
That last line about prevention is true, the rest is purposeful nonsense and potentially harmful to anyone gullible enough to believe it.
For f*cks safe we need to try harder. 300,000 years of human evolution, of our collective knowledge moving us forward, and after all that this is what some of us have come to, peddling conspiracy theories on public forums.
Blue whales are mythological creatures, and yer Mom lives upstairs.
. I know several people that have heath issues after getting the vax . Have you ever heard of a guy named Kyle Warner ? Maybe you should google him .
Now shut the f*ck up and move on with your lives. Covid ain't deadly. Now, if it's your time to go, it's your time and that's it. Bunch of pussies.
www.bitchute.com/video/nrQxXcElqxqk
Let's find out....