Video: Charlie Murray's Practice POV from the NZ National DH Series Round 2
Jan 21, 2023 at 8:47
by Ed Spratt
|Practice lap down the race track for round 2 of the 2023 NZ National DH Series.|
This track starts on Community Transmission and links into the GC. Thanks, Christchurch Adventure Park and Gravity Canterbury for hosting!— Charlie Murray
SLAP! I’m Rick James b**ch!
Sun Peaks, BC.
Mont-Sainte-Anne, QC. (although different terrain)
I'm genuinely curious why you think it's subpar? I want to ride there but I live on the other side of the planet so I feel the need to hear why you think it isn't good so as to not potentially waste time and money
To me it looks sick
common to see the Pro's ride Nelson's trails and then miss CAP and head to central to ride proper and well looked after trails at cardrona/coronet & skyline(QT)
The 3/4 bike parks in central South island are well worth it, Fly to nelson or rotorua for any other real riding.
(Mostly....there are shuttles available, just not lifts)
I only ride DH so anywhere with epic technical downhill trails and old school freeride trails that can be accessed via shuttle or chairlift, I'm all about it! LET'S RIP \m/
And if it went right to the top would it alleviate the traverse over to the other trails or would it require a lift to another peak?
They need a proper trail leading to the road from the top(summit connection) of the lift and then properly fix "choir boy"(traverse) - they fixed the Lap 1 arm pump section but need to extend it all the way from the road.
It's so heavily ridden that the place needs more care than say Cardrona (CAP is open all year round)
The place used to be great pre 2017 fires But they got in trouble and the council helped out and now they seem to have some control... im not sure who gets to decide "lets just keep building trails and forget about the previous ones"
I want to like the place alot as im christchurch often but its hard to justify bringing my bike.
But if you do want to just do laps like a ski bunny, then Coronet and Cardrona and QT Skyline might be your thing.
Chch is defo worth a nudge but it’s nothing on Queenstown, rotos and Nelson.
In this instance, its clear people avoid it for a reason... probably their experience from visiting.
I would love to "love" the place aswell but they make it hard, long ass chairlift, then its blown out right from the very first corner of summit - I took a group there via a bus trip recently and we had Green riders to Some really good riders, i never noticed before but there is NO greens or green-blue progressive trails on the main side of the hill....
CAP was awesome before the fires but they've failed to reignite the flame they had before that.
Don’t discount us
The pedal access riding in NZ is absolutely excellent.
Lift access riding here, leaves a bit to be desired. Usually super blown out, CAP is especially punishing. It’s $120/day and you essentially have to skip a third of the vert the lift gets you, in order to get to the majority of trails. The a lot of those trails in that section are just a random mix of trails and cut lines. The trail quality is pretty low, and sporadic (they had a large fire a few years back that greatly set them back).
Queenstown bikepark is mostly a side hustle for the gondola, its main job is to sell lift passes to tourists to drink coffee at the top. Acceptable riding in the park, but far better riding around the bikepark. Elevation is also limited, QTBP is like 400m of vert. Not like say, kicking horse gondola laps, or Whistler laps, or even silver star and the new stuff at Revy with like 2,000m a lap off the summit.
Coronet has some excellent stuff, but again lots of good stuff that isn’t on the lift directly. Full transparency haven’t actually ever had a lift day at Coronet, just pedalled all over it a bunch.
If you’re coming to NZ, bring an Enduro sled and you’ll never run out of good trail to pedal. It’s excellent. But if you want to lap parks, western Canada is the goddamn dream.
Chch this summer has been brutally dry only 35mm of rain in the last 60 days, means all the tracks turn to fine dust and get blown out in days.
Also why did they lose a bunch of the trails in the open? I noticed that they have a bunch closed on trailforks and was wondering why. I'm now realizing they must be permanent closures?
On the other hand though, you folks are so lucky down there! Where I live in Canada there are NO Mountains, and the riding season is only about 5-6 (maybe 7 months) of the year if we're lucky. But lift access (no shuttle mountains available) only run for 5 months out of the year. So most of the year is depressing and wishing I was riding haha. I actually drive 13 hours round trip each weekend to get to the closest mountain to me Bromont Bike Park, Québec, or 18 hours round trip to ride Mont-Sainte-Anne Bike Park, Québec. I'm hoping to end up in Coastal BC in the next year or so, but damn I'm jealous of all the riding you guys can do, all year round!
That's pretty epic ;D
And TBH I'd take being able to ride DH 12 months of the year, over the less than 5 months at Whistler. Hands down.
Having the grade 4 (dark blue) rating is crucial. Especially with the insane amount of dumbing down happening with trails and their gradings nowadays. Blue's are now Black's in many places, when they shouldn't be because the ego of some people who are new to riding think it's harder than it is. Just because someone can't ride it, doesn't make it a Black, or a Double Black, or my favorite one "THIS IS A PRO LINE!" lol ;P.
I'm surprised CAP doesn't use this trail grading system. It's the best.
For example: a black technical or jump trail in Northern New Zealand, should be the same as a black in BC, the same as a black in Southern New Zealand, and the same as a black trail in Québec and elsewhere.
If the area's hardest trail is a blue so be it. But it shouldn't be rated higher because it's the hardest in the area or something along those lines. It makes no sense to me. I see trails here in Canada rated double black or pro line that are at most black. People hit them thinking they're legit double blacks or pro lines and become overconfident. Then they show up to ride something like this:
Dream Track (Queenstown, New Zealand)
Crabapple Hits (Whistler, Canada)
Diesel Wolf Train Gap (Pemberton, Canada)
Brutus Road Gap (West Vancouver, Canada)
Fort Hill - TMBP (Massachusetts, USA)
And send themselves to the glue factory.
In regards to red's and pro line's, yeah that can be pretty confusing.
Technically the pro line sign is a red triangle with a black outline, it also says "pro line" ("pro" in white "line" in black - one atop the other) on the inside of the triangle, and the triangle has a black circle going around it touching all 3 of it's points.
they're pretty similar, and often confusing.
@EvolutionMTBer : I get arm pump on a lot of tracks, but connection link or choir boy isn't one of them, they could do with some work for sure, especially a few corners on link, but they are not arm pump material
I will happily point out many things they could do better, but it's definitely not as bad as some try to portray, and there is heaps of good riding in cap
The price of CAP vs what you get is very poor.
We were there a week ago and its the only place(summit) i see people get punctures and having to stretch their hands back out... Right as you go through the slow gate everyone stops to shake the arms etc.
- We WANT CAP to do better and whinging is the ONLY way to get things through to places in the modern era. dont forget all the bad trail choices they've made... like a tree in a direct landing zone, or a gap jump with a damn tree in the middle(thats now removed, like wtf) wheres the green/blue progression trails on the forest side?
3 weeks ago we rode Signal hill, with some gnarly rock sections etc, its public access and its looked after more.
Rode all day no worries on the shuttles.
I do agree with stuff you say about Askins, but honestly link and choir boy just need a couple corners fix mainly, rest goes good... and rest of the tracks are as good as the soil allows
Having the trails on the fire damaged side of the hill closed has made me wonder if having a rotation on the trails would be a good idea, for instance if they closed 3 or 4 each year then they would have some proper time to maintain and rebuild them
For the CAP haters. Don't like it?! Great, don't ride it. One less grom causing braking ruts on the berms.
I had a bigger thing written out but i feel itll fall on the "im in love ears" and you wont care regardless if its true or not. Im not a fan but i have hope they improve,
I'll leave it with this: there's reasons the intl pro's generally skip CAP.
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