Video: Jackson Goldstone's Final Turn Crash from the Val di Sole DH World Cup 2022

 exactly. that was the sickest run i think i've ever seen. the speeds involved with these guys is on another level altogether. he's going to be a massive force next year and beyond.

 I really don't understand the relevance of the handlebar discussion either ... he crashed going ~65kmph and his bars broke. What about that is surprising? Honestly I'm surprised that's the only thing that broke.

He came in 4th after crashing, crossing the line with snapped bars. Now that's surprising/impressive/bada$$/something to talk about!!!

 I'll translate for you all: *Gosh! *Oh Darn! *Fiddlesticks!

 @bigtim: Gosh eh, oh darn eh, fiddlesticks eh!

 @alwayslivingthedream: Wow, you really had to go there... Cause he's Candian you automatically assume we all say eh' after every sentence. You should be ashamed. Your being a real hoser there don'tcha know.

 @jomacba: You tell em eh

 @BigMulaCeazy: Jeeze Louise am I right??

 @jomacba: I thought you all spoke French.

 @bmxbackground69: woosh

 @scott-townes: y'all*

 @bigtim: Crazy to think that next year he'll upgrade to actual curse words, can't believe he's come this far

 i thought i was getting an amber alert on my phone

 He would’ve still lost the run, regardless of broken or bent handlebars. So what’s the point of the “idiot” comments?

 @mitochris: he was .2 behind at the last split, but faster in the speed trap which was between there and the finish line, so it’s not a given that Jordan would have won.
But he crashed so we will never know…

 @juanargent: that wasn’t my point. The front wheel washed out, he fell, and as a consequence, the handlebars broke. He lost the time because of his crash, not because the handlebars broke. The time was gone regardless of whether they bent or broke.

 Fair point @mitochris:

 Jordan was in front at the last split. Jackson was gaining on him as he was faster in the speed trap. We will never know how close it could have been, but it wasn’t a certainty that Jordan was in the lead.
He was the winner though. @jpnbrider:

 @mitochris: He lost shit ton of time rolling to the finish line with broken handlebars. He would have easily finished 3rd if his handlebars held up in the crash.

 @jimmythehat: That's not science, it's math. Read up on the scientific method if you're gonna claim it.

 @megatryn: whoosh!

 @jimmythehat: re-woosh!

 @megatryn: Denied

 Stabbed? He doesn't ride for Kona in the 00's you know.

 I've had friends who have sheered carbon handlebars and crank arms. While I am generally a fan of carbon fiber, I keep those particular components metal on my own bike.

 @CSharp: That bar broke because of the crash which is a completely different type of load than the big hits in “ steep gnarly stuff” it was designed to withstand, that being said, I gave up on carbon cranks and bars years ago except for my cross rig.

 I've snapped alloy bars too. However, I do agree. Interesting to see if the syndicate end up running SC carbon bars or running alloy. The SC bars are truly phenomenal.

 @jomacba: I’m pretty sure SC Syndicate runs Burgtec bars and yeah, carbon or alloy, they all break under the right circumstances

 @reydin: They do, thTs why I was mentioning the potential switch to SC carbon, or if burgtec might look into it. To be honest, a crash like that should not have snapped those bars.

 @KJP1230: Handlebars and crank arms were my limits, then I saw a riding buddy split the bottom tube of a Trek carbon dh frame when they first came out from landing a bit whipped on a longer tabletop. He's a skinnier guy too, said Trek warranty sent a list of questions about storage and riding terrain...

 @ab909: Trek is the worst for warranty. They don't stand by their product.

 Just to be clear, I think it is ok or a component to fail in a crash. If it results in a dangerous products that could injure the athlete whilst still ragdolling, that's another one. For little kids' toys it is unacceptable to have a dangerous product after a foreseeable failure. For grown-ups, it is fine as long as they're aware of what they're buying. If Jackson would have hurt himself on the fracture surface during the initial crash, I think it would give the product a bad rep. If Jackson hurt himself on the broken bar once he moved on (and possibly crashed again), there would be no one else to blame but himself. If you consciously ride with a broken bar, you know the risks. Not sure how officials should react actually. You can't start a race without capped handlebars, but you can continue a race even though you now have exposed ends. Obviously for his race result it paid off as he still managed to get on the podium. So yeah, all good. But there would have been talk if things would have gone bad.

As for metal components, they sure do break too. I've broken loads of metal handlebars and pedal axles (which can be scary too) but I think these were all due to fatigue. If racers replace their components as often as I think they do, metal stuff might bent but is less likely to crack. And it are the cracks that can hurt you.

 @vinay: I somewhat agree. I think you need to take into account the severity of the crash. When Minnaars frame snapped in half when it hit that tree in 2017 or 2018 (can't remember the season) that was a legitimate failure, however seeing a handlebar snap that easily is not acceptable in my opinion. Now before we get into semantics, I agree that it's difficult to determine exactly what caused the failure, and weather or not this is deemed a design issue or not. Regardless, it's worth some investigating.

 @jomacba: I don't know exactly what handlebar he was riding and whether it is a consumer product. At least back in the days (don't know about now), Intense had their FRO (for racing only) frames. These were designed to not last a full season, apparently giving the rider a bit of a competitive edge. Some brands are clear about this. If you buy race level gear, it is not designed to last and it is not designed to survive a foreseeable impact. Did it break a too little of an impact? Maybe, then it is up to them to make it a little bit stronger next time. It is a choice really. If he wants a bar that doesn't break under foreseeable (and maybe also beyond) impacts then this manufacturer probably has these too on offer.

But yeah, maybe people make these decisions too far at the competitive edge, risking their own health over it. If we don't want it (just like we don't want athletes to compete without proper full face helmet), maybe the officials should be in a position to end a run if they deem the gear (or protective gear) too damaged to continue. That might force people to play a bit more on the safe side. If your gear is too weak you may not "just" get injured, but it could also end your run even if you come off without injury.

 @vinay: Yup, so many variables, at least you see some practicality in age... most "official" rules are dictated by the company's warning that probably says "never use on unpaved road" or similar stupidity. I expect components to break, but its about how it breaks and (as you said) the results from it. Goldstone's bars are expected to break at his speed/etc... some other carbon splits, or lack of warnings around direct sunlight for extended periods of time/outdoor storage is what sketches me. I've seen it around 2A policy too, companies eager for brightest and most compact light, regulations are focused on flowers, and the consumer winds up with a bad covid batch that causes sparks. Edit: UCI usually avoids deeming specific components due to the liability; they want to tell lawyers, "we know nothing but how sharp edges on bar ends can hurt (applies to all companies equally)." Same with Trek lawyers, "we told you to keep the 5 grand Session with trophy truck suspension on paved bike roads, rocks make you fall, duh." Look into the craziness of remington "advertising" lawsuits, not declaring either party crazy, solely the debate around assuming a third party's intentions with consumer items... may impact the way the bike industry advertises in some years (scope how shop advertisements rarely show entire gaps of jumps anymore, road gaps, and you have to follow an athlete's IG to get a full view).

Lets all be fair though, Greg Minnaar is far from human and that video suggests my femur/shin/ankle would be shattered in a similar crash irrelevant of body armor.

 I had a major crash last weekend (broken elbow) on my DH rig. Long story short, I have alloy bars and thing snapped in the same spot as Jackson's bar. My situation was unique/different than Jackson but point of my story is alloy bars could have failed too.

 @vinay: Throwin shade at the juniors.

"For little kids' toys it is unacceptable to have a dangerous product after a foreseeable failure."

 @vinay: He was riding a Burgtec Ridewide Carbon Bar. Burgtec is known for good components. I gotta argue a bit of a counter point here. First and foremost I wouldn't use intense as a good model for what to do or how to manufacture, but that's another debate all together. My counter point, that somewhat aligns with some of what you said, is a company producing a product that will finish a race, and here's where this aligns. I think we are long past the intense FRO days, and I would argue that most companies today are doing a good job producing reliable and quality products. Some more than others, but I feel the industry has hit a good stride.
Let's take Reserve wheels as an example. Built to last, and built to perform, all at a phenomenally high price. These bikes are built to withstand not if but when you crash. Again, I'm speaking from my perspective, but as somebody who has worked in and out of the industry, and has had the privilege of testing quite a few brands of every product imaginable, his bar breaking like that just seems unacceptable. It's really not about rider safety, or even the brand image, it's about finishing races.... However, that could have easily snapped under heavy compression. So all in all, Jackson is lucky. He's not a big guy at all, but if Minnaar was on that bike, or somebody like myself, those bars would have been toast.

 @Dustfarter: I stretched the ABP pivot so the bearing just floated around in there and TREK replaced and upgraded my whole frame. I couldn't have been happier with their warranty.

 On why it would break? Naw for carbon it’s the material source and the matrix layout. For metal it’s material source and manufacturing. You generally want to get DFARS material. If it’s made in China and you are willing to take the gamble then so be it. Taiwan depending on the year is included in DFARS list.

But yea, for flow downs (Corporate CYA) it generally boils down to material source. Assuming the design is sound.

 step 1 : dont buy carbon
step 2: look previous step

 The carbon fiber repair business that I'm familiar with uses ultrasound to inspect for damage. So that would be another way to decide what's safe to use. Of course, most of us don't have ultrasound machines in our garages.

 I can tell you for sure that a crash is not at all required.

I bought a U.S.E Flow carbon bar and four rides in - without once crashing them - the bar snaps clean off about 1 inch left of my right shifter/brake on coming off a small rock slab. I mounted the grips & shifters w/ carbon paste at just slightly less than the recom'd Nm, and the stem clamps exactly to suggested Nm. Luckily a TLD D30 upper body armor saved me from a punctured my lung where the severed bar hit my chest.

In 30 yrs mtb I've never once shattered or even slightly bent an alloy bar so 1) I have zero confidence in carbon bars and 2) U.S.E entirely blew me off and said this was not a manu-defect whatsoever and refused to correspond with me after 2-3 attempts. They are complete and total s***. Surely this was a fluke but if that's not a manu-defect, what is? They were kind enough to offer me 30% off my next bars though - wow, how generous! No thanks..

 @f00bar: wrong, that is an ass hat backwards comment. Or do you not know that Aaron Gwin uses alloy.

I’ve went from aluminum > carbon (race face and renthal) > spank vibrocore. I’m sticking with aluminum. Carbon is way too stiff for a contact point. The flex gives you a more stable platform especially on chatter and rough sections of a trails.

There are many pros that will counter your argument and tell you exactly what I just wrote.

 @f00bar: laugh your ass off surely.

Firstly Ti for all round riding, steel for DH and bmx then alloy for you mere mortals.

;d

 @f00bar: Quality alu bars have far better ride feel than carbon. It is the cheap thick wall alu bars you want to avoid

 @barp: if only there were ultrasonic lasers that could scan my carbon bars for weakness and also get them perfectly aligned!

 Yup@DmoorDevil:

 Actually, i'm pretty sure a lot of bars don't get tested before ending up on the market. A few years ago, a (german) bike magazine did a fatigue stress test of MTB handlebars. More than half of all bars failed very quickly.

Even worse, they tested two units of each bar, and some had huge differences in strenght between two instances of the same bar.

Since then, i only trust bars from manufacturers who publish their stress-test results, or bars rated at least one category higher than i'm going to use (DH bars for trairiding, Trail bars for XC, etc.)

 @Ttimer: which bars you use on the DH bike :-)

 @betobi: probably just a pure iron rod. Who needs weight savings?!!

 @Ttimer: What are your preferred bar brands?

 @ridebikesyall: In Rod we trust

 @Ttimer:
do you have the results?
As far i know they tested given handlebars in different stems (FSA with FSA, Easton with Easton etc.)
May be wrong but I suspect it has some impact on handlebar strenght.
For example deity stems tolerances are terrible compared to others CNC'd stems, which may influence steerer longevity as well.

 @betobi: I use Title AH1. Passes EFBE Tri-test gravity module and isn't too punishing to ride at 31.8mm

 @betobi: moto bars

 @Ttimer: I have this handlebar test - ( from Bike Magazine) they also came to the result that the carbon bar from Syntace was basically indestructable. After a million cycles on the Dyno they called it a day. All other bars broke sooner or later.

 @lightone: Here is the results graph from the article: ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb16892098/p5pb16892098.jpg

The bars next to each other are the two units of each model. I prefer a bar with lower average but consistent strenght to one with higher strenght but more variation. Less chance of getting a dud that way.

Note also that things seem to have improved since the test was done. There are now more manufacturers doing independent stress testing of their handlebars.

@ridebikesyall Syntace, Sqlab, Newmen, Reverse do independent testing of their bars. I'm sure there are others, these are just the ones known to me and readily available around here.

 @lightone: Do you have results for DEITY's Stem tolerances?

I ask because they just received the 2022 award for best stem on the market from Vital MTB's Audience Survey (for the Copperhead).

www.vitalmedianet.com/vitalmtb-trends

 Exactly the same place my alloy burgtec bars snapped too.. only the two fractures though.

 Burgtecs?

Ouch. I'm guessing you're back on Renthal after this.

 The bend, were the taper meets the straight section, is a weak spot on any bar. If a bar is going to snap, it will likely be in that place.

 one of those things where increasing the grip area from 7/8ths to full 1 inch would make absolute sense. @Tajlucas tried it years ago (I think?) but.... bike industry

 @fartymarty: you know stuff CAN break and that doesn't make it a terrible product right? at some point, every product hits a limit of what it can deal with. we don't know anything about hermsey's crash. it may well have broken any bar on the market. this mindset that products should all be indestructible and last forever is just unrealistic.

 @fartymarty: saw a buddy break some carbon Renthals recently too though.

 @gravitybass: I meant aluminium Renthals. I wouldn't touch carbon for anything but an XC bike.

 @thepwnstar39: good point.

 I’ve seen so many renthal
Bars snap it’s scary. They make the least rigid bar and stems in the world. Hard pas @fartymarty:

 @freeridejerk888: Aluminium, carbon or both? I'm surprised as I thought they would know a thing or two about making bars. I'll stick with my German Ergotecs.

 Both. Mostly carbon thin@fartymarty:

 I’ve seen a broken carbon burgtec and a broken burgtec alloy one. Curious.

 I'm also betting homie has like a whole wall of "shit I done broke" while riding - and my guess those broken bits include a wide range of parts, brands, and materials. My guess is those bars make a particularly nice souvenir for this race, and after the whiplash fades they'll get a rather prominent spot on the wall and a rather fond spot in the memory bank reminding him of the heater he was on just before losing grip. Oh yeah, and I too bet he'll still run carbon bars next season.

 It would have absolutely made a difference, if he wasn't injured and nothing else broke. Between getting back on the bike and crossing the line there were roughly 18 seconds. That's 18 seconds with a broken bar where he couldn't push himself as hard as he could to cross the line because it was snapped. Definitely cost him third place.

 I didn’t realize that until you pointed it out and I’d have to agree. Hell it may of cost him second for all we know ? My point was the cause of the crash had nothing to do with the handlebar material. Either way it’s gotta suck bad going down that close to the F/L especially after a near perfect run through the roughest section.I was hoping for Jackson to get a podium along w/ the Goat but not this time I guess. Any info on how Bruni made out ?? @nickfranko:

 On Instagram there's a video of his crash filmed from another guy. And it looks like his front wheel caught up on something causing him to fall onto his handlebar with all of his weight. So I think the crash was causing the handlebar to break...

 Burgtec pedals are bomb proof so not sure what crap you bought. However their old stems are made of cheese.

 Sorry dude, it’s not the product, it’s the user, all parts break.

If we were to collect all the broken bike parts and list them under the manufacturer, the majority would fall under the largest producers.

What bike do you ride? Trek, Specialized, Giant? Chances are it’s made by a manufacturer who’s has a lot of product failures.

Better sell that bike fast

 exactly. I have no idea why anyone would downvote this (chinese bots who work at the carbon fiber factory?)

 @hellanorcal: exactly !

 Can attest, they are strong as hell. Don’t even stress about the couple crashes I’ve had on them.

 His hopes for another win got broken

 you must be related to mattp LOL Carbon bars, especially oneup bars are friggin awesome.