Ratio Technology, a UK-based company that specializes in drivetrain upgrades, recently posted images of a direct mount derailleur conversion that they've been developing. In this case, the direct mount bracket was 3D printed on an HP Multi Jet Fusion (MJF) machine, and then attached to a SRAM 1x11 XX1 derailleur that had also been equipped with Ratio's 12-speed Wide Cage upgrade kit.
According to
Ratio, "We are planning to try aluminum or titanium but we haven’t settled on a material yet - it depends on the usual trio of strength, weight and price. If we do succeed in making a product we believe offers shifting improvements then we intend for it to be a user-fitted kit, although we’re aware that this one will likely require some specialist tools to be included. Lastly, with this being at the prototype stage, we’ll only make it available if we think we can do so without stepping on SRAM’s toes. We appreciate that there is a lot of intellectual property around the design."
"You’re looking at a fairly early prototype but we thought we’d share some photos to see what people thought of the idea. Our thinking was that a lot of our shifting troubleshooting emails are solved with a hanger alignment tool, so anything that makes the derailleur-frame interface more accurate and repeatable is a good thing for our customers. We totally understand the uncertainty about this new system. No shifting improvement is worth it if it increases the chances you write off an expensive derailleur in the process - not good for your pocket or the environment.
"That said, sacrificial parts are not an elegant solution to crash protection - everything else on the bike is either strong enough not to break, or designed with a degree of freedom to absorb impacts. Brake levers are a good example; hit them reasonably hard and you’ll usually be totally fine. Hit them harder and in most cases they’ll rotate on the bars instead of breaking.
"SRAM have designed the UDH with the same solution in mind. For us, there’s plenty of testing left to do to reassure ourselves and everyone else that this is the case - but if it is, it can only be a good thing. All that said, we’ll always design parts that are as simple and inexpensive to replace as possible if they do get damaged."
Recently we've also seen
unreleased SRAM direct mount derailleurs at World Champs. We've also seen a handful of frame manufacturers, such as
Ibis,
Evil, and Forbidden updating their rear triangles to the UDH standard.
What do you think? Are direct mount derailleurs something we need or is a sacrificial hanger still the best solution?
You must work for Sram in the Rear Derailleur department.
This thing is like "fight climate change"...You don't solve it by putting more taxes, penalties and deflating truck tires. Change the source, find more renewable and cleaner sources of energy. Start with phasing out fossil fuels.
Or the lal bikes supre drivetrain for that matter.
The difference between a set of enduro and DH casing tyres is probably more.
My Pinion has never failed me, but I've been put out of MTB and gravel races due to derailleur failure. (Those words match so well, that they even rhyme.)
If rear mechs are going to continue on, some solution, maybe DM, needs to happen. I think everyone is tired of the status quo on this matter.
A clean, well lubed, well function chained driven drivetrain is the most efficient way to transfer power.
I'd be agnostic about the UDH/direct mount if the SRAM ones that come stock on most bikes weren't cheap, bonded POS Chinesium and didn't mean the death of flip chips.
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@gnarnaimo: I'm not hung up on weight, I was responsponding to a point someone else made.
Why are you so hung up on efficiency? Most MTB riders like us just crawl to the top of the hill and then pin it back down. Pedalling efficiency is not a deal breaker.
I have never found the apparent lack of efficiency on a gearbox to be an issue.
Tell me. Is your bike actually one of those tiny little ones that clowns ride?
Trained track & bmx guys are up near 2000 watts in short bursts...
@gnarnaimo: you also missed pointing out that you've never ridden one and therefore have no idea what they feel like, so can I take any of your disparaging comments about them seriously?
@Spencermon I mentioned this in my previous point here and many times before as well. Derailleur manufacturers aren't incentivising gearboxes, so frame manufacturers aren't sticking their necks out to adopt them. E-bikes require special frames though. They ARE being incentivised and look at the take-up on them.
@Chonky13 fair enough. I love techy climbing and my Taniwha with its Pinion is excellent at this. Better than any derailleur I've ever ridden.
#makehonegreatagain
Since SRAM doesn't see fit to supply replacement outer cages!
Do you even mountain bike bro?
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I haven't really seen this in action as we only have "spy shots" so far.
With my tin foil hat on... I suspect some SRAM executives were chatting with engineers and were like:
- "So why aren't more people breaking our derailleurs and having to buy another?"
- "Well sir, the hanger tends to break before the derailleur does, it's engineered to be sacrificial."
- "So... what if we got rid of the hanger?"
- "People would probably break more derailleurs...."
- "And have to buy new ones!! Perfect!! Get it done!!"
.. as they release a design that clearly sacrifices the rear derailleur when you crash on it or get a stick stuck in your drivetrain.
Or maybe Pinkbike could do that with all those new resources and testing abilities the Outside acquisition has provided. Maybe partner with someone really into the tech over at Cycling Tips like Dave Rome or Carey Fretz . . . whoops. Never mind.
#wetoldyouso. Hope it doesn't hit home at Pinkbike.
also thinking about it again, the main purpose of the replaceable derailleur hanger was to protect the frame (not the derailleur) which isn't nearly as much of an issue if it attaches directly to the thru-axle with UDH. Also I think UDH and direct mount derailleurs will rotate backwards if the derailleur gets whacked up/back so you still have some protection that way.
With the space constraints of mtb axle widths, I feel that less is more, and 10 or 11 speeds is more than enough.
I read some reviews where folks thought the gearbox was draggy, but I haven’t even noticed. Zerode for the win!