Ratio Technology Tease Direct Mount Derailleur Conversion

Nov 17, 2022 at 10:35
by Eric Olsen  
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Ratio Technology, a UK-based company that specializes in drivetrain upgrades, recently posted images of a direct mount derailleur conversion that they've been developing. In this case, the direct mount bracket was 3D printed on an HP Multi Jet Fusion (MJF) machine, and then attached to a SRAM 1x11 XX1 derailleur that had also been equipped with Ratio's 12-speed Wide Cage upgrade kit.

According to Ratio, "We are planning to try aluminum or titanium but we haven’t settled on a material yet - it depends on the usual trio of strength, weight and price. If we do succeed in making a product we believe offers shifting improvements then we intend for it to be a user-fitted kit, although we’re aware that this one will likely require some specialist tools to be included. Lastly, with this being at the prototype stage, we’ll only make it available if we think we can do so without stepping on SRAM’s toes. We appreciate that there is a lot of intellectual property around the design."

"You’re looking at a fairly early prototype but we thought we’d share some photos to see what people thought of the idea. Our thinking was that a lot of our shifting troubleshooting emails are solved with a hanger alignment tool, so anything that makes the derailleur-frame interface more accurate and repeatable is a good thing for our customers. We totally understand the uncertainty about this new system. No shifting improvement is worth it if it increases the chances you write off an expensive derailleur in the process - not good for your pocket or the environment.

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The 3D printed bracket replaces the stock B-knuckle, allowing it to mount directly to the frame rather than to a hanger.

"That said, sacrificial parts are not an elegant solution to crash protection - everything else on the bike is either strong enough not to break, or designed with a degree of freedom to absorb impacts. Brake levers are a good example; hit them reasonably hard and you’ll usually be totally fine. Hit them harder and in most cases they’ll rotate on the bars instead of breaking.

"SRAM have designed the UDH with the same solution in mind. For us, there’s plenty of testing left to do to reassure ourselves and everyone else that this is the case - but if it is, it can only be a good thing. All that said, we’ll always design parts that are as simple and inexpensive to replace as possible if they do get damaged."

Recently we've also seen unreleased SRAM direct mount derailleurs at World Champs. We've also seen a handful of frame manufacturers, such as Ibis, Evil, and Forbidden updating their rear triangles to the UDH standard.

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SRAM's Blackbox direct mount derailleur as seen earlier this year.

What do you think? Are direct mount derailleurs something we need or is a sacrificial hanger still the best solution?

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143 Comments
  • 63 5
 I'll withhold judgment. I hate dealing with bent derailleur hangars, so if these prove to be strong enough and not be damaged easily, I'm on board.
  • 314 1
 Withhold judgement? You are on the wrong site.
  • 51 1
 Part of the sell of derailleur hangers was that a hard hit would bend the hanger instead of the derailleur, since its theoretically cheaper.
  • 46 0
 go buy yourself a north shore billet hanger, and then watch your derailer blow apart instead when you hit rocks...much better!
  • 21 0
 @acdownhill: yeah - WTF, this is going to either a) destroy your der or b) rip apart your rear swingarm....
  • 12 15
 @RadBartTaylor: ain't no way it'll "rip apart your swingarm" lol nobody makes a derailleur anywhere near strong enough
  • 54 0
 So you're for removing the cheap purposeful weak link and for bending the expensive part instead?

You must work for Sram in the Rear Derailleur department.
  • 12 0
 @RadBartTaylor: You got it! That was the original point of soft der hangers, protect the frame, not the der.
  • 8 1
 Replaceable hangers were an improvement over rame-integrated hangers, which if damaged, meant a new frame in most instances. The frame-integrated hanger was an improvement to the hanger integrated into the derailleur. Myself, I'd like to see a replaceable hanger that's part of the next generation of through-axle so the derailleur placement is consistent in relation to the cassette's center.
  • 24 9
 how many cars or motorcycles have their transmissions hanging out ?? None ! Stop solving a problem thats a problem to begin with. Hide it somewhere where it doesn't get hit...Oh I don't know, like a Gearbox maybe ??

This thing is like "fight climate change"...You don't solve it by putting more taxes, penalties and deflating truck tires. Change the source, find more renewable and cleaner sources of energy. Start with phasing out fossil fuels.
  • 14 0
 @Geochemistry: wasn't there a Saint derailleur that mounted to the thru-axle?
  • 8 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: That's funny, I've seen a bunch of Treks get their seat stays snaped by a derailleur swinging around. JRA
  • 7 1
 If this was a new gearbox, then we wouldn't be raising any of these points. Just saying...
  • 3 0
 I kind of like the WRP gearbox concept so far. Good weight, stock parts, less susceptible to damage…

Or the lal bikes supre drivetrain for that matter.
  • 4 1
 @mininhi: Ha, this is the same thing I've always said: name me another off-road vehicle of any sort that has a fully exposed drivetrain. Shimano, where are you with your mythical gearbox, time to change the paradigm once and for all.
  • 1 1
 @MrShreddypants: It doesn't have the range, and its too bulky.
  • 21 0
 @Chuckolicious: No motorized vehicle on land, sea, or air is as weight & efficiency sensitive as human propelled machines are
  • 12 0
 @Chuckolicious: If it were up to Shimano, we'd all still be sporting front derailleurs.
  • 2 1
 @hamncheez: Yeah, but it’s still an early concept. I’m hoping he’ll figure something out with larger range.
  • 5 11
flag excavator666 (Nov 17, 2022 at 13:25) (Below Threshold)
 @hamncheez: the difference between a gearbox and derailleur system is negligible compared to many of the other factors that effect the weight of an MTB.

The difference between a set of enduro and DH casing tyres is probably more.
  • 9 4
 @excavator666: That simply isn't true. There is a reason why gearboxes have not gained widespread adoption.
  • 4 4
 @hamncheez: I own a Zerode Taniwha and it weighs in at 15.3kg, which is pretty average for an enduro rig. Weight savings don't help if you can't finish the race.

My Pinion has never failed me, but I've been put out of MTB and gravel races due to derailleur failure. (Those words match so well, that they even rhyme.)
  • 5 2
 @excavator666: Then why is there no widespread adoption?
  • 1 0
 @RadBartTaylor: I think the idea is that the part can still be replaced like a normal hanger but the 'hanger' bolts onto the derailleur instead of the frame.
  • 2 0
 @davemays: also the Shimano Hone derailleur, wonder why these went away as they eliminated the cheesey hangers.
  • 4 4
 @hamncheez: yeah, but......that's not the way reality seems to work. lol. 75% of hits strong enough to break a hanger also send the derailleur to its death.

If rear mechs are going to continue on, some solution, maybe DM, needs to happen. I think everyone is tired of the status quo on this matter.
  • 2 0
 If you're dealing with bent hangers and not bent derailleurs, then expect to deal with bent derailleurs that use integrated hangers. If it was just a matter of strength, then the existing system could be "strengthened" and problem solved.
  • 1 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: I've seen a shock eyelet torn out of a frame, taking the frame with it. Put a strong enough hanger on there, tighten it down hard, and apply a hard rock at ramming speed...yeah it could happen.
  • 8 1
 @hamncheez: exactly - a human has max output of like 1/2 HP, that's if you are a really strong rider, the efficiency losses, even if minor, add up.

A clean, well lubed, well function chained driven drivetrain is the most efficient way to transfer power.
  • 2 1
 @Chuckolicious: how about every single dirtbike and a good majority of all motorcycles built in the last 100 years.
  • 1 0
 @davemays: thought so, but never saw one IRL.
  • 2 0
 @conoat: That was the "selling point". In my experience, if you ride within 1 inch of a rock your hanger will bend just enough to make your shifting go to crap, and any decent size hit will break your derailleur and hanger with no middle ground haha.
  • 1 1
 NSB solved this problem years ago for about $30-$40. If one of their hangers bends, you wanted it to bend.

I'd be agnostic about the UDH/direct mount if the SRAM ones that come stock on most bikes weren't cheap, bonded POS Chinesium and didn't mean the death of flip chips.
  • 1 0
 Wait till you hear about bent derailleur cages
  • 4 0
 @excavator666: Why are you so hung up on weight? It's the wattage absorbed by the lack of efficiency of a gearbox that's keeping it from growing in popularity. A modern chain driven drivetrain is the most efficient option available which is why it is still going strong in the market.
  • 2 2
 @davemays: there was. I rememver our shimano rep telling us they killed it because they stopped selling, because none were breaking. Keep in mind this was in the days of the brooklyn machine works, when a >40lb dh bike was light, so basically the upcoming 2024 yeti sb125 downcountry edition. Wait till someone tells you about shimanos dual rotor xt break.
  • 1 1
 @ElDragon: I’ve seen that too but those treks still had derailleur hangers. I don’t see how direct mount would put the swing arm in anymore danger than it already is.
  • 3 7
flag excavator666 (Nov 18, 2022 at 1:21) (Below Threshold)
 @hamncheez: Gearboxes are vastly more reliable than derailleurs, so derailleur manufacturers aren't pushing them. Do you honestly think that if one of the top manufacturers started making and marketing a good gearbox, that there wouldn't be more uptake? Shit, even if they started marketing a bad one, there would be more uptake.

@gnarnaimo: I'm not hung up on weight, I was responsponding to a point someone else made.

Why are you so hung up on efficiency? Most MTB riders like us just crawl to the top of the hill and then pin it back down. Pedalling efficiency is not a deal breaker.

I have never found the apparent lack of efficiency on a gearbox to be an issue.
  • 1 0
 @RadBartTaylor: Drivetrain includes transmission
  • 2 0
 @excavator666: You replied directly to @hamncheez who didn't mention anything about weight but was actually talking about efficiency.
  • 1 4
 @gnarnaimo: "No motorized vehicle on land, sea, or air is as WEIGHT & efficiency sensitive as human propelled machines are."

Tell me. Is your bike actually one of those tiny little ones that clowns ride?
  • 2 1
 @excavator666: ever tried to pedal one? They feel like you are riding in sand or mud because of so much drag. If the resistance was in the faster gears instead of the lowest gears I might be on board. I guess you could look at it like a stationary bike at the gym & just keep getting stronger until you don't notice it?
  • 1 0
 @Geochemistry: 2006(?) called and they have your Shimano Saint axle mount derailleur waiting for you.
  • 2 0
 @excavator666: Wow, ok yeah I don't know how I missed that lol Fair enough. Well I do feel they would be more widely adopted if they were a more efficient design, but it simply can't compare with the efficiency of chain driven drivetrains. I personally couldn't care less about weight. My current enduro bike is likely around the 37-38 lb mark haha
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: What about the frame? Doesn’t the hanger take some of the stress off the frame too?
  • 1 0
 Buy the Abbey Tools HAG. You'll then love adjusting hangers. Seriously, it's an incredible tool that is a joy to use. I went from hating to do it because the Park is a piece of garbage to now checking it every other week just for shits and giggles. Also, Wheels Manufacturing hangers FTW. I'm sure direct is 'better' but not worth the frame damage risk.
  • 3 0
 @conoat: I'm talking sustained max output, W to HP is about 750 to 1, you are a very very strong rider if you are putting out 1/2 a HP or 375 watts for an extended period of time, 1 hr +

Trained track & bmx guys are up near 2000 watts in short bursts...
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious: "partially exposed" drivetrain
  • 2 2
 @Chonky13 yes, I own one. You're words suggest to me that you're easily influenced to the point that the comments from the "I've never ridden one, but gearboxes are draggy" contingent have manifested themselves as imaginary drag to you. Either

@gnarnaimo: you also missed pointing out that you've never ridden one and therefore have no idea what they feel like, so can I take any of your disparaging comments about them seriously?
  • 4 0
 @hamncheez: I don’t think derailleur hangers were ever meant to save the derailleur. The derailleur, after all, is generally the thing that’s going to take the impact. The hanger is meant to save the frame.
  • 2 0
 @excavator666: I was surprised how little drag there was in a pinion gearbox when I tried one after reading so much negativity about it on PB.
  • 1 0
 @excavator666: I have ridden two gearbox bikes..
  • 3 0
 @gnarnaimo: @hamncheez: @excavator666: I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that a HUGE reason that gearboxes haven't made any impact is the lack of options for both high end bikes as well as low end bikes. For any major bike companies to be on board with a gearbox, they need to be financially viable. Some more niche high end companies can handle it, but the bigger brands have to sell the lower end bikes as well. They're not going to be happy about a drivetrain/transmission that costs a lot and they have to create a completely new frame for it. Especially if they don't have any options for their entire price range. If there were SX, NX, GX, XX1 levels of gearbox, that would be easier and we would probably see more bike companies jumping on board.
  • 2 0
 @Spencermon: I've been trying to get around to this, but I haven't had time. My next project (after my steel ebike with internal battery) is a mid-pivot bike, just like that Acoustic Bikes steel stunner. I'm going to try and put the idler pulley on an axle tho- you can swap out the axle and put a Kindernay Geared hub in there, or on the cheap with a different adapter a $400 Shimano Afline. The Kindernay, if claims are true, is on par with a Rolloff in terms of efficiency, which would put it measurably ahead of Pinion (in terms of efficiency). This way you can run a regular derailleur, primo "gearbox", or budget "gearbox".
  • 3 0
 @excavator666: I have tried them. Not really impressed. I am influenced by the stoke I feel from progressing on the human powered machines we love to ride. Lately I get more amped cleaning hard climbs than big drops or steep techy descents, although I'll never stop doing what I love, which is riding advanced terrain.
  • 2 2
 @gnarnaimo: even though my point about weight was right here for you to read, you incorrectly made a point of saying that no one ever mentioned weight. So I'm wondering what other obvious things your capable of missing, like gearbox performance.

@Spencermon I mentioned this in my previous point here and many times before as well. Derailleur manufacturers aren't incentivising gearboxes, so frame manufacturers aren't sticking their necks out to adopt them. E-bikes require special frames though. They ARE being incentivised and look at the take-up on them.

@Chonky13 fair enough. I love techy climbing and my Taniwha with its Pinion is excellent at this. Better than any derailleur I've ever ridden.
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: must be because of the weight difference. Yep, that’s definitely it.
  • 34 2
 I’ve never damaged a hanger without damaging my derailleur…but I must be in the minority.
  • 23 0
 same here. never bent a hanger. have bent many derailleur cages
  • 3 0
 I cant say I have bent a hanger and it is noticeable but I have crashed a bunch mostly trying tricks where you land on the bike or throw the bike and I can say that I have broken many hangers but not my derailleur! I imagine most people are tricking DJ bikes but if you ever try on your trail bike you will be thankful for that cheap part. I am totally on board for the UDH
  • 3 1
 Same boat. I've generally found it's enough force to bend or break a derailleur hanger, it's enough to bend or break your derailleur. Best I've managed is to save the part for spare bits on the next derailleur if I'm able to get the same one. Direct mount... long live OG Saint RDs.
  • 23 0
 In russia derailleur hanger bend you?
  • 25 0
 I have bent several hangers with no damage to the derailleur.
  • 4 0
 This concept is based off the UDH and the legitimate underlying motivation behind the UDH. The hanger is designed to rotate backwards during and impact, helping to ease potential damage to the Derailleur. Also providing less flex at that zone and should genuinely provide crisper and faster shifts, while simultaneously allowing a lighter setup. This idea is long overdue.
  • 5 0
 @jomacba: What if it gets hit from the side?
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: Sounds like the impact plane the UDH is designed to protect is front to rear direction of travel. What about clocking the RD on a tree trunk? That pushed in the derailleur on my bike and I needed a hanger and a new inner and outer cage for the jockey wheels because it went into the spokes. This was in a middle gear too... I don't know how I avoided spoke wheel damage. Musta been the quick dismount.
  • 6 0
 @jomacba: every derailleur out there rotates backwards already.
  • 2 0
 @mrosie: Well here's to hoping the x-horizon design takes a large brunt of the load and the upper section that would typically mount to the b tension bolt is string enough to take a significant impact. All designs have limitations.
  • 1 0
 @iiman: yes, but given where the impact may arise, this can also help prevent showered hangers and raises the Derailleur as well. Ad I stated before all designs have limitations. The main focus needs to be performance. While what is produced performed very well, there is an opportunity to improve.
  • 1 0
 @itslightoutandawaywego: I think at some point everything had a point of failure.
  • 1 0
 i have twice
  • 1 0
 Same, I've severely mangled 2 derailleurs but my hanger stayed dead straight, it's too strong
  • 1 0
 I have been through several hangers and straightened all of them several times, but I have yet to break a derailleur.
  • 1 0
 Has your shifting ever gotten bad in just a few gears and you couldn't fix it with any of the adjustments? If so, I have news for you.
  • 1 0
 I am with you. The santa cruz hangers refuse to break, my derailleur got sent into the spokes and the hanger cracked my frame instead of breaking....
  • 1 0
 Have bent hangers dozens of times without doing anything to the derailleur other than maybe tweaking the cage, but not to extent it couldn't be coaxed back into working shape. Maybe has something to do with whether your smashing your derailleur on things while riding by them or taking actual falls. Like someone already said, a fuller lower replacement cage would be a great aftermarket product.
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: someone who understands.
  • 1 0
 @itslightoutandawaywego: I think that is where AXS could help as the clutch on the motor would let it move inwards. Not advocating for Axs, but between the two there could be reasonable ability for the derailleur to move rather than break
  • 1 0
 They're a left over from back in the day, when they actually made the derailleur more durable than the hanger. Now its just pointless.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I should probably take more time to proof read for spelling mistakes. Reading my own paragraphs hurt my head.
  • 24 0
 Hang on, a UK-based company used the world ‘aluminum’?
  • 3 0
 They must have translated to American before publishing
  • 18 0
 We're back to direct mount derailleurs now? Full circle?
  • 6 0
 bring out that old Saint you never used!
  • 9 0
 @phobospwns:
#makehonegreatagain
  • 7 0
 How about just making reasonably priced replacement inner & OUTER cages for Eagle mechanical derailleurs?

Since SRAM doesn't see fit to supply replacement outer cages!
  • 5 1
 Making one of these for existing AXS derailleurs would be amazing. The B-Knuckle movement on them helps to increase all the slapping around and noise that you get from them. Converting them to direct mount would stabilize AXS stuff a lot.
  • 4 0
 As will a very inexpensive washer.
  • 2 0
 @dancingwithmyself: Inexpensive?

Do you even mountain bike bro?

/s
  • 1 0
 @FrankS29: ? You buy the washer from the hardware store.
  • 2 0
 @juliuskliemmtb: you can get a thin washer and put it between the head of the b-bolt and the derailleur. It will lock the derailleur in place for all but very hard hits. I'm sure it increases the chance of damage to some extent and isn't recommended by SRAM blah blah blah, but it definitely quiets things down. There are some threads and videos out there if you look.
  • 8 0
 But why?
  • 43 1
 Supposedly, this new direct mount design puts more of the guts of the derailleur higher and more inboard... so less chance of it getting smacked. In this day and age of 12 speeds with long cages, it could be a help.... and arguably negates the need for a sacrificial hanger?

I haven't really seen this in action as we only have "spy shots" so far.

With my tin foil hat on... I suspect some SRAM executives were chatting with engineers and were like:

- "So why aren't more people breaking our derailleurs and having to buy another?"

- "Well sir, the hanger tends to break before the derailleur does, it's engineered to be sacrificial."

- "So... what if we got rid of the hanger?"

- "People would probably break more derailleurs...."

- "And have to buy new ones!! Perfect!! Get it done!!"
  • 4 1
 @islandforlife: yes tinfoil hat, more like deepest dark fantasy, when in the history of anything has an executive spoken to an engineer, theyre like polar opposites at the end of the food chain lol
  • 2 0
 @islandforlife: sram NX (cabled) and GX AXS clutches seem to break if you breathe on them the wrong way already
  • 1 1
 Most bent hangers I see are from whacking stuff. Well—that, and sticks in the spokes. OTB and the bike whacks a tree. Dump it in a corner and bike whacks the ground. Bike tips over when a dingus kicks it outside the weed store and the derailleur lands on a curb. Will this and the auto-move-out-of-the-way derailleurs fix this? Maybe. Will this just make the derailleurs break more? Maybe!
  • 4 0
 "sacrificial parts are not an elegant solution to crash protection"
.. as they release a design that clearly sacrifices the rear derailleur when you crash on it or get a stick stuck in your drivetrain.
  • 4 0
 …or worse, your rear triangle!
  • 3 0
 I really hope the German mags get a direct mount derailleur and some NSB or Wheels Mfg hangers in a lab test the difference in stiffness. I'd be happy to buy some hangers and ship them over.

Or maybe Pinkbike could do that with all those new resources and testing abilities the Outside acquisition has provided. Maybe partner with someone really into the tech over at Cycling Tips like Dave Rome or Carey Fretz . . . whoops. Never mind.

#wetoldyouso. Hope it doesn't hit home at Pinkbike.
  • 2 0
 Maybe SRAM designed another part of the piece to bend/break if hit? Did anyone consider that? Instead of the actual hanger breaking or bending, some other replaceable part might be sacrificed? Would offer the best of both worlds, much stiffer, reliable mounting of the mech, removing the whole "hey, your hanger needs to be straight" arguments, but gives you a way to salvage the mech. Probably not though, they'd rather just sell you a whole new derailleur I suppose.
  • 3 1
 I thought the upcoming direct mount derailleurs were predicated on changing the design of the derailleur to be more inbound and AXS's ability to move out of the way upon impact. This design just seems like it's solving the bent hanger problem by forgoing any sort of derailleur protection.
  • 4 0
 Mechanical derailleurs can also move out of the way on impact. The cable goes loose for a moment and the spring returns the derailleur to its original position.
  • 5 0
 @ericolsen: I've never understood why that was a marketing point for AXS. SRAM only solved a problem that they introduced when they made it electric, but marketing latched on to it like it was the best thing since sliced salami.
  • 2 0
 @ericolsen: oh, hi Eric! I didn't realize that was you. Nice work on the article!
  • 2 0
 @ericolsen: good point. i just tried to hit my ancient 11 speed xo1 derailleur with a mallet and it still worksSmile

also thinking about it again, the main purpose of the replaceable derailleur hanger was to protect the frame (not the derailleur) which isn't nearly as much of an issue if it attaches directly to the thru-axle with UDH. Also I think UDH and direct mount derailleurs will rotate backwards if the derailleur gets whacked up/back so you still have some protection that way.
  • 2 0
 @danperl: fancy seeing you here! Thanks!
  • 1 0
 @bikesalot: the UDH rotates backwards until your mech punches a hole in your carbon seatstay.
  • 6 2
 ah yeah coming off the train i smacked him with a baguette and there the frog went
  • 1 0
 I had a bike with direct mount before, the shifting was so crisp and precise. Now that brands like microshift make decently cheap and decently light derailleurs, I would like to see it come back. I think microshift and box have good ideologies about mech: KIS.

With the space constraints of mtb axle widths, I feel that less is more, and 10 or 11 speeds is more than enough.
  • 4 0
 Yup. I have 2 bikes with advent x that I’ve been riding almost exclusively the last couple of months. I took one of my eagle bikes out last weekend and felt as though I needed to shift 2 time any time I was shifting it. 10 for the win!!!
  • 1 0
 @Rageingdh: Love my advent x as well.
  • 1 0
 I believe this is a horrible idea, once you get a strong enough stick flipped into the wheel and derailleur something has to give and I pray it isn't the chain or seat stay. Wheel or spoke loss isn't sounding good either. I've seen many of hangers get ripped off in front of me from mud build up, are they thinking this is stout enough to push through that kind of force? Here comes another (DAG) Park tool because you know some manufacturer is going to screw up the tolerance's somewhere along the line and your shifting is going to be screwed!
  • 1 0
 Once, while riding, a rear spoke broke and then the broken end jammed into the der. cage. That ripped the der. off and carried it all the way around, passing inside of the seatstay and jamming against the chainstay. Once, something hit the der. while climbing and jammed the chain between the big cog and the spokes. Same result, ripped the der. off and carried it around. Any mounting system has to be capable of tolerating your derailleur getting locked to your rear wheel without destroying your frame or axle. If this does that, OK. If not, forget it. The der. didn't survive either of those. I don't see the replaceable hanger as der. protection, I see it as frame protection.
  • 2 0
 My Norco Truax has the system where the derailleur mounting bolt is designed to break, sure enough when my derailleur hit rocks the $18.00 bolt broke and saved the derailleur from damage.
  • 2 0
 Norco nailed it with that system, my old revolver had that and even stored a spare bolt in the frame. That's was innovation, it was simple and required no change in any sort of standard.
  • 1 0
 Seems like a good initial idea. If the dropouts are strong enough to handle constant forces from the axle, occasional impacts to the derailleur doesn't seem like it'd ruin the interface. Just depends if the derailleur's strong enough...
  • 1 0
 I just got this really cool bike, it’s got a gearbox, so no delicate parts hanging off the rear of the bike, no more bent hangers. It’s really quite ingenious.

I read some reviews where folks thought the gearbox was draggy, but I haven’t even noticed. Zerode for the win!
  • 2 0
 Now wait first review of SRAM direct mount derailleur, and let's hear how this make your riding much better and you can't live without.
  • 1 0
 I can see it for AXS rear derailleurs as they release when crashed. This accomplishes the same thing as a derailleur hanger bending. Makes sense to go to a stiffer connection when you don't have this worry.
  • 1 0
 All the direct mount in the world isn't going to keep the parallelogram from twisting. Then you get to choose which half of your cassette will shift reliably and which half won't.
  • 4 0
 I prefer the shear pin logic
  • 2 0
 Lots of commenters pointing out that the hangar doesn’t do a great job at protecting the derailleur and they’re correct but I thought the hangar was to protect the frame.
  • 1 0
 The hanger is to protect Sram now.
  • 1 0
 Can somebody please tell me if UDH frames are compatible with a regular hanger? Thats all I want to know and every time I ask nobody answers. And no, Im not going to look it up, just f*cking tell me.
  • 1 1
 They are not.
  • 7 7
 3D printing is just a fad, just like the light bulb and boxer briefs. If I ain't freeballin' in a dark room, I ain't livin'. Peace out friendos. Have a great day, and never stop asking questions! #staytwokepal
  • 5 1
 Thank you for sharing
  • 3 1
 so basically theyre bringing what SRAM have already said theyr'e going to bring to market by using a SRAM product
  • 1 0
 How's this going to work with flex pivots? I.e. does a stronger derailleur mount put more stress into the frame in the event that the derailleur is smashed?
  • 3 0
 so what if the frame breaks?
  • 1 0
 Serviceable derailleurs would be the way to go. That would be very easy to engineer. We all know the parts that fail. Toughen up the pins and make them easy to replace.
  • 2 0
 There is a reason that current hangers are designed to take an impact and be replaced.
  • 2 1
 I'd prefer modifying Shimano derailleurs since Sram is coming out with their own anyways.
  • 2 0
 Direct mount is great ...for gearboxes
  • 3 2
 Does this allow us to convert a regular SRAM derailleur to a direct mount version? If so, that's pretty cool.
  • 2 0
 Oh yea new jerric article
  • 1 0
 We need this like we needed Boost, or Dub 28.99, or Specialized lawsuits over Roubaix...
  • 1 0
 My Pivot der hangers are so stiff that I doubt they even protect the frame.
  • 2 1
 I can't see any any real benefit, just negatives.







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