FOX Introduces Live Valve Suspension Technology

Aug 27, 2018 at 23:34
by FOX Factory  


PRESS RELEASE: Fox Factory


Introducing Live Valve, our most advanced electronically controlled suspension system for mountain bikes.


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FOX Live Valve Equipped Scott Genius

Suspension has revolutionized the world of mountain bikes making them faster, and more capable than anyone would have imagined 25 years ago.

Live Valve Fork Connection
Live Valve Controller and Battery

Current suspension offerings provide excellent dampening and travel adjustments that can tailor your bike to the way you ride, though many riders can find it hard to get the most out of their suspension setup. Live Valve takes these systems into the future by addressing the ongoing compromise between suspension compliance and pedal efficiency with ultra-fast reacting sensors and the fastest valve we've ever created to automatically adjust the fork and shock independently as the terrain changes.

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Designed from the ground up by our Advanced Products Group, Live Valve senses the terrain you’re on and adjusts accordingly. Like our advanced powersport suspension systems, such as in the Baja proven Ford Raptor and Polaris Razor UTV, Live Valve optimizes the way you interact with your suspension and the terrain you encounter.

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The core of the system, the Suspension Controller, monitors terrain at a rate of a thousand times per second and makes compression adjustments in just three milliseconds – that’s one hundred times faster than the blink of an eye. In fact, Live Valve is fast enough to sense a bump at the front wheel and open the fork before the rider feels it. With strategically placed sensors, the Controller processes terrain data and constantly adjusts the suspension for maximum efficiency and control no matter what the trail throws at you.

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Utilizing Pitch Detection, the system can recognize when you’re climbing, traversing or descending, and tailor the suspension settings to maximize your bike’s performance.

Attack a climb and Live Valve will keep the wheels firmly planted as you put the power down, fine-tuning the suspension to maintain traction and efficiency.

Push into a corner and Live Valve will help keep your bike balanced, absorbing braking bumps and undulating terrain while you focus on your exit speed.

Live Valve is even smart enough to recognize when you get airborne. As both wheels leave the ground and you begin to free fall, Live Valve adjusts the suspension to provide a comfortable landing.

On descents, Live Valve gives the bike a more active ride to better absorb hard impacts and improve performance at higher speeds. Your suspension becomes plusher, providing more comfort and grip.

Live Valve Pivot

Live Valve Sensors 1
Live Valve Sensors 2

Live Valve Battery Location
A summary of the Live Valve technology

• The Live Valve system monitors each wheel independently up to 1000 times per second.

• The speed of Live Valve provides suspension control at a level not possible with conventional design, adjusting the suspension over 450 times an hour during a typical trail ride.

• As bumps are detected, Live Valve switches to the open mode in 3 milliseconds. This is 100 times faster than the blink of an eye!

• If the accelerometer detects zero gravity (freefall) for longer than 25 milliseconds (or 0.025 seconds), such as during a jump or drop, the suspension automatically opens to allow the next impact.

• The technology behind Live Valve is a combination of two traditional damping circuits with an electronic valve.

Available Platforms

XC, Trail and All Mountain are all riding styles where pedaling efficiency is highly relevant, and are the first platforms to receive Live Valve technology. Cutting edge innovation and performance do add cost, and on Live Valve equipped bikes the price increase over FOX factory suspension is similar to the additional cost of electronic shifting compared to mechanical shifting.

Wires and Compatibilty

Our engineers experimented with wireless solutions but the latency in information transmission speed meant delays in communication, affecting ride quality. Utilizing a wired system means Live Valve can communicate faster and more efficiently, preserving battery life and maintaining consistent transmission. With cable jacks located at the fork and rear suspension heads utilizing a 2 conductor design, the system is simple to unplug for fork removal, does not have a specific orientation (so there are no concerns regarding technological literacy), and allows for crash protection with quick disconnect.

The current external design for the Controller and Battery assist in frame compatibility across multiple manufacturers.

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At it’s core, the system still features FOX suspension, with the tuneability and performance you have come to expect. But Live Valve takes setup a step further, allowing you to customize the on-trail feel with adjustable Bump Threshold. Set-it and forget-it, personalized.

Available for complete bikes now. Aftermarket kits available in November.

Live Valve by FOX: the future of suspension is here.

Focus on the ride, and let us take care of the rest. Lear more on the FOX Live Valve Microsite.


134 Comments

  • + 144
 Start RANT- This is the kind of junk I hate. Truly what problem is this addressing? 99% of the complaints I as a shop owner/rider have (both personally and as expressed by customers) are around dependability and durability. This is "advancement" at the cost of the consumer. Maybe work on creating a CSU interface that doesn't creak after two months. Maybe create a product that you are so sure of, warranty can be transferred beyond first owner. Maybe work on creating a business model that can support product over more than three years.
Furthermore, this is the type of stuff that drives that oil market everyone hates here. This is consumerism at its finest. RANT over
  • + 34
 @BicycleHub: Something that doesn't require service every 100Hrs would be a great place to start!
  • + 21
 Idk man, although them putting time and money into this project takes time away from other projects they could be working on, this seems like a really cool feature. It's not like this is some new standard they are trying to change, no one is forcing you to buy this. Just like in every sport people are always trying push boundaries and innovate. Fox thinks there is a market for this product so they made it, if not then it will fail. Yeah it would be nice if they could make their products more durable, but honestly it probably isnt as easy as it sounds, and anyway I can almost guarantee that a company as big as fox has a completely separate team then who is working on this product that deals with the chassis of the suspension.
  • + 7
 @BicycleHub Thank you. Really couldn't be less interested in this gimmick, as its the opposite direction I'd like to see in regards to better suspension products. Why do so many companies seem dead-set on introducing electronic barriers to the bicycle, when many ride partly as means to get away from all that nonsense?

Hey Fox...how about a coil sprung 36, or the humble Vanilla shock in metric sizes?
  • - 5
flag betsie (Aug 28, 2018 at 15:49) (Below Threshold)
 Pretty sure you typed the reply on your computer of smart phone which is electronic and lasts significantly longer than a shock, especially between services... Won't go into the why's, beta values, blah blah blah, but this should be a good advancement. You will still have to service those mechanical parts though, cost v quality there I am afraid.
  • + 9
 MTB industry- are you actually just trying now to take out usable water bottle space??
  • + 2
 @Ryanrobinson1984: Water bottles are not Enduro, so I am not sure the space will be missed!
  • + 2
 seems like technology advancement more than just fuck the customer. but whatever...
  • + 6
 @m1dg3t: go buy an old marzocchi fork if you want that. Pre 2004
  • - 1
 You sir are so on point!
  • + 3
 Agree that reliability is paramount. But this actually sounds pretty decent.
  • + 4
 GREAT JOB FOX. This kind of product honestly serves a large part of the mountain bike community. I've done a ton of riding not too far from where FOX is located, in Northern California. The number of riders I encounter on expensive bikes, who also never touch their suspension and may or may not have good pressure in their tires is astounding. From my vantage point, most of the mountain biking community doesn't care to fuss with a custom tune, or a turn of the dials. Pinkbike's demographic is still the niche of the niche; not representative of the greater community and we gotta remember that. We're the weirdos.
  • + 2
 @m1dg3t: Or when you first get forks on a brand new bike would also be a great starting point.
  • + 1
 You nailed it! The CSU creak is their biggest problem but getting no attention.
  • + 0
 cool is it E Bike compatible?
  • + 82
 Yes but will it stop my receding hairline?
  • + 67
 Don't worry, by the time you're far enough into your career to afford this, your hairline won't be receding anymore.
  • + 15
 I hope they can sync to Facebook Live or IG story.
  • + 3
 I'm kinda glad I won't be alive much longer. Ultra Boost 3 and electric jawns. I'll pass. Gonna manual my 27.5 Super Enduro into the crematorium.
  • + 38
 well this is shocking news
  • + 14
 I'm sure you'll rebound quickly.
  • + 9
 Your puns really dampened my mood.
  • + 5
 To me it seems quite progressive
  • + 1
 That’s the response of a genius
  • + 1
 Innovations like this really keep the sport aLive
  • + 2
 I'm very open to this new tech
  • - 6
flag jumpbikeskills (Aug 28, 2018 at 11:10) (Below Threshold)
 all this electrical innovation seems very linear
  • + 0
 will keep you charging down hill! very positive move!
  • - 1
 the things that you do when the world doesn't revalve around you...
  • - 2
 Suspension of disbelief
  • - 2
 @P3N54: One can only bebound quickly if their sh*t is charged.
  • - 2
 "Innovations like this really keep the sport aLive" - Fox Marketing team
  • + 31
 Im not one for batteries/wires on my bike but from a distance...this sounds awesome
  • + 24
 If they really spent 10 years working on this can I just say....Thank you fox for making sure you had a polished product before selling it to the public.... Too often the rush to sell the latest tech leads to companies selling unreliable prototypes to customers
  • + 23
 Now I'm not going to deny this is impressive technology and I can see it would work on a relatively heavy vehicle where the driver is strapped in one spot. And it might work on a bike where the rider remains seated and static, plowing the bike into whatever is ahead. On my regular rides though, I'm standing up. Sure the sensor might notice the bump it is just starting to hit, I noticed it seconds before that. How would it know what I'm going to do and adjust the damping accordingly? Would I just charge into the obstacle, unload the front or actually use it as a mini-ramp to help me launch over the bigger obstacle ahead. And more importantly, how would I know what the live valve assumes I'm planning to do? You're lost? Yeah, two captains on one ship, it is going to be messy. See, I run relatively simple suspension. But at least I know how it behaves, rely on that and act accordingly. I'd rather have that than suspension that can change it's mind a hundred times within one blink of an eye.
  • + 43
 Yeah I'm sure that an entire team of engineers who design industry-leading mountain bike suspension for a living totally neglected to take real-world riding scenarios into account over the 3 years they've been developing a brand-defining product.
  • - 2
 @zsandstrom: Bullshit. So I maual for a bit and the fork thinks I'm pitched uphill on a drop? Gimmicky product that will sell on some complete trail bikes, nothing more.
  • + 23
 @drunknride: Probably not a downhiller's product, sure. And it's definitely complicated. But also, let's look at that manual off of a drop scenario: don't you actually WANT more support out of your rear shock while manualing? If your front tire is off the ground, the suspension settings literally do not matter. And once the bike goes into freefall (whether off the drop or as your front wheel starts to drop), the sensors will open and give you a smooth landing. That's the theory, at least, and what it's designed to do.

I'm not trying to sell you on the product. What I AM trying to say has two parts. 1st: it's incredibly ignorant and arrogant to suggest that you understand this product well enough to meaningfully criticize it based on a press release, when a team of people who are literally paid to be experts on suspension have spent years developing it. 2nd: you can't assess the ride quality of a product based on a thought experiment.

So if it's awful, then go demo it for a few hours and write an awful review. I look forward to trying it, and hope it lives up to its claims.
  • - 8
flag drunknride (Aug 28, 2018 at 10:07) (Below Threshold)
 @zsandstrom: Of course it's ignorant (don't know about arrogant) but your missing the point. I don't need a suspension expert to "fix" my already great suspension. I still own hardtail bikes and a full rigid bike specifically to enjoy the type of riding this is aimed at. It's arrogant for a company to fix something that ain't broke and say "you need this shit, it's revolutionary!".
  • + 10
 @drunknride: So first off, I'm loving your "The Good Place" style swearing.

Show me where, specifically, in this press release, you are told you need this. It's just not there. There is no claim that Live Valve is necessary. It's a little bold of Fox to say that "the future is here" and such, but this is also a huge tech leap so they might not be wrong; time will tell. But no one is pressuring anyone on this. Fox is just making a case for why this is a better system than manually activated suspension. Which we should expect them to, and I honestly hope it is. Time will tell.

Also, you know that "fixing things that aren't broken" is generally referred to as "improving on existing technology", right? If you want to advocate that society is better off not trying to improve already good processes, be my guest (and good luck). Or, if you want to advocate that mountain biking would be better off without trying to improve existing products, then let's talk about that. But criticizing an innovative company for innovating.....surely you realize that's a Luddite attitude.
  • + 4
 I'm not calling anything or anyone ignorant. It may actually provide advantages to both seated riders who remain static irrespective of what's ahead as well as experienced riders who put in loads of rides on this particular system so they know what to expect, how the behavior changes under different conditions. I'm neither. Let me put this as a shortcoming of myself then. I usually don't get on well with these "clever" systems. Just like automatic transmission in a car. They just never shift when I want them to, also because they can't look ahead. And how am I going to recover from a skid if I don't have a clutch pedal? Still, there are people who seem to get on just well.

So @zsandstrom you are indeed correct that I shouldn't criticize the product based on this article. But that's not what I'm doing here. I merely pointed out that I don't expect to get along with suspension that changes character on the fly. What I did criticize about the article is the reference to the success the have with this in off-road cars. Though, again, this is indeed impressive it is still also more within their control. Even steering, throttle and braking input could be sensed and implemented in the model. The transfer of body weight of the passengers can be neglected. On a bicycle it is pretty much the other way around. Both rider weight and rider suspension (through legs and arms) are dominant. How the rider uses that leg suspension depends on how he/she expects the Fox suspension to behave. Again, it may be just me then but if I don't know what to expect from my suspension I'll probably end up fighting and compensating for it.

Edit (added to this post): Just to be clear (in case I weren't), I'm not one to claim the industry is forcing anything on me. Not boost, not big wheels, not DUB, not live valve. I just pointed out why I don't see it work for me. That said, I'm actually curious whether anyone has experience with the Magura e-lect damper in fork or shock? It is a more binary version (locked or open) of what we see here, merely based on the tilt angle of the bike (so you calibrate at what upwards pitch the suspension locks). There is a freefall sensor too, just like we see here so it opens to absorb a landing. I never considered it because I never need lockout but I was curious whether people could adapt to it.
  • + 2
 @drunknride: they have more than 1 sensor and an algorithm to work out what is happening. More advanced than smart phone autorotate maybe... Wink
  • + 1
 All I heard was "mini ramp to help me launch over bigger obstacles". If FOX releases a suspension upgrade that helps you take off, a la latest Air Jordans, that is pretty mind blowing awesome. Something I can get behind. Although suspension bikes already kinda do that.
  • + 16
 This is pretty cool, I've been wondering when it would debut. I'm curious if frame designs will evolve now, removing anti-squat to free up the suspension as much as possible and using this tech to compensate for pedaling forces.
  • - 1
 Good lord, I hope not.
  • - 6
flag dualsuspensiondave (Aug 28, 2018 at 18:12) (Below Threshold)
 That would be working backwards.
  • + 4
 @dualsuspensiondave: no that would be using new technology to remove compromises in mechanical design.
  • - 2
 @dhridernz: No, that's not a proper way of engineering. Bikes use to be that way, recent advances in bicycle frame engineering has allows for a good pedaling bike with good small bump compliance (e.g. Yeti Switch Infinity).
  • + 2
 @dhridernz Yes, I agree! This was my point.
  • - 3
 @luke-miller: That's how bikes were 5-10 years ago. Pick one up used, then put modern suspension on it, although the shock will blow out quicker and you won't be able to run a coil shock unless it is oversprung. Reverse engineering at it's finest!
  • + 2
 @luke-miller That's a sharp observation and was also my first thought. As a designer, I'm excited to explore the options this gives me.

First, some info on anti-squat (more for others than for you, Luke), then thoughts on Live Valve.

It's unfortunate there's so much misunderstanding about anti-squat and pedal kickback. If the chain directly connects the chainring and cassette (i.e. no idler), then kickback and anti-squat are a fixed ratio for a given rider in a given gear combination. Whether it's a Switch Infinity, dw*link, Horst, single pivot, etc., if the bike has, for example, 125% anti-squat at that point in the travel, then the kickback at that point is the same for any system. Differences between different linkage types are more about the designer's preference (ex. the chosen level of anti-squat at that point in the travel) than the linkage type.

That said, some systems offer more control of how the anti-squat curve changes throughout the travel. Switch Infinity and twin-short-link design can (but don't always) create a region of fairly consistent anti-squat over the range of travel in which a rider is likely to be pedaling (no one is pedaling at bottom-out, for example!), then rapidly diminish the anti-squat beyond the pedaling zone to minimize total kickback. The counter argument is that spring force is increasing deeper in the travel, so maybe anti-squat should diminish in proportion to increasing spring force, creating a consistent total force. It's a complex issue!

Having established that anti-squat inherently creates kickback, I agree with you, Luke, that a system like Live Valve could allow me to create a bike with the desired level of pedaling stability and less kickback.

My favourite feature is the cost: $2000 extra for a marginal gain makes it a lot easier for me to sell bikes that offer a massive performance improvement for about $1000 extra! Wink
  • - 3
 @Structure-Ryan: Please stay away from actual engineering.
  • + 20
 Next up: hover bikes
  • + 8
 Robot bikes that ride themselves
  • + 17
 This is awesome high tech. but fuck no not a chance on my bikes ever.
  • + 13
 Is it voice activated? Like when you over shoot a landing and yell "faaaaarrrrrrk!" Does it crank up the low speed compression?
  • + 6
 @AntN: Yes, and it tickles your taint too!
  • + 1
 @m1dg3t: that is what will adjust our level of pucker while yelling "faaaaarrrrk!"
  • + 13
 Love how they use both "dampening" and "damping" in that press release.
  • + 1
 I'm dampening at the thought of this. A wet ride on the trails not so good
  • + 7
 I don't see the need for all the hate. I don't need this and can't afford it anyway, but it sounds like some cool tech for anyone who likes throwing money around. I think my suspension is as good as I could ever want it to be, but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't be able to buy a product that will help them to make some marginal gains in performance.
  • + 3
 The other night while pedaling up a longish fire road with 10 people we took an informal poll as to who was using a lock out feature or even bothered to change shock settings for the climb. ZERO, that's right a bunch of 120-160 mm dualies don't give an F about lock out or adjustable on the fly suspension.
  • + 2
 Not even sure if the lock outs work on my remedy
  • + 5
 Not trying to start anything, but I feel the feared term 'e-bike' would be better placed on bikes with tech such as Live Valve, ETap, or Di2
  • + 9
 Don't you mean I-bike?
  • + 5
 @ictus: you sir have started the next industry Buzzword that we will all come to fear
  • + 3
 @ictus: yeah because 10k entry level bikes are exactly what we need...
  • + 2
 @winko: Judging by the way the market is trending and the responses from the majority of consumers, that is exactly where we are headed. Unfortunately.

I don't know if the people posting the "TAKE MY MONEY" comments (which I've been noticing), or those who actively/outright defend the high/increasing prices, are stupid rich, just plain stupid, or company shills?

I witnessed the exact same nonsense play out on PC tech forums over the last 8 - 10 years and as a result the cost of everything PC related SKY ROCKETED! Needless to say I left PCs behind.
  • + 3
 Interesting, whether real game changing innovation or just another try, time will tell. Anyway, I would really like to try it. A comaprison with an average suspension system would look nice on a video.
  • + 2
 Tech is great, but once you rely on electronics to constantly manage the suspension setup, and it "suddenly" fails, what would the risks be? Crashing? Bodily injury due to failure of the electronics system or battery? Ultimately, as history has shown, the application of electronics is set upon its success until it fails, and it will at some point regardless.
This system is utilised from an application for a vehicle that isn't affected by the riders body movements. I'm sure FOX knows what they're doing, but the industry has been here before...
New innovations have new problems and risks. I don't believe this is a good idea...
My opinion, but I hope its not without validation.
  • + 1
 Pretty sure it will fail safe and they will have included this in their DFMEA and SRA. Its not like its a product from a budget supermarket and will carry a price tag to match. Not to cover COG's but amortized development costs.
  • + 5
 Dentists get your cheque books out
  • + 15
 Nobody uses dentist jokes or cheques anymore.
  • + 1
 Does anyone else remember the K2 smart forks back in the 90's? This is a cool technology that has been around for a while and seems like it's being recycled in the bike industry now. As an engineer in the automation industry with knowledge of how sensors and controllers have advanced over the years this doesn't seem that innovative and actually seems wasteful and overly complicated. Most people carry smart phones, which have gps's, accelerators etc. Why not leverage those devices and apps with more processing capability rather than trying to embedding everything in the frame and suspension?
  • + 5
 sounds like some kinda cosmic debris to me.
  • + 3
 @jamesbrant: Well fuk me gently! A Frank Zappa reference on PB. There is still hope! LoL

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2e8-XsJ18MA
  • + 1
 On the Live Valve FAQS you haven’t pay attention to suitable bikes frame equipped with the correct shock and fork such as Giant Anthem Advanced Pro 0 – 2018 for example, could it be upgraded only by adding the live valve electronics, cables, sensors & valve system in to the existing equipment (frame fork and shock)?
  • + 5
 If it needs to be that smooth, why not just get a road bike?
  • + 4
 Or a *whispering* twentyniner :o
  • + 1
 Let's just skip to the end game: full immersive VR mountain biking experience. Some people already don't want to pedal, now they won't even have to know anything about their own suspension, so the only logical step is to ride without actually knowing how to ride.
  • + 5
 “Can this be retrofitted to a Sworks Brain?” - no one ever.
  • + 4
 @eurospek
Fox Specialized design to be a no-brainer.
  • + 1
 I don't blame people for doubting this, but it's so easy to have an opinion on something you've never experienced; something you don't know you need until you have it; and at the pricepoint I'm sure it's easier for people to say they have no interest.

I am confident this works and people wont have a concept of how well it works until they get a chance to ride one.

I think it would be pretty cool if they could integrate the shockwiz/quart system into this for an added benefit.
  • + 1
 Also keep in mind Lapierre rushed out a version of this with Rockshox on the Zesty and it hardly went to plan. More marketing then performance.

First to market=worst to market.

flowmountainbike.com/tests/long-term-test-lapierre-zesty-am-729-with-ei-shock
  • + 1
 Wouldn't it have been much simpler and possibly just as effective to use electro magnetic damping like what GM/Bose used?

A hydro - pneumatic system like what Citroen came up with would be interesting too!

Both of those 'ideas' are prolly too heavy for bicycles...
  • + 2
 Magnetorheological dampers require real heavy fluid cause of the iron content and if the MR fluid is left to settle they stop working properly.
  • + 1
 Nitro shox are making Citroën like suspension
  • + 1
 Kind of
  • + 1
 Also MR, CVSAE etc all react way to slowly reaction times seem to be 0.1s at best. Which is way way to slow.
  • + 1
 Nice and dandy !!!!
?'s:
ELECTRONIC & SHOCK WARRANTY & HOW LONG
MAINTENANCE COST & IS IT FIELD SERVICEABLE
PARTS & COST

It would be an honor if someone from Fox can respond to my inquiry.
Thank you so much!
  • + 1
 If this could automatically stiffen up the damping for massive drops the longer you're in the air that'd be great. You'd have to have a setting for adjusting how flat you like to land though.
  • + 2
 If they had a lidar setup as with self-driving cars, then the algorithms could anticipate the bump before it happened, no 3 millisecond delay.
  • + 4
 Now I can sell my shockwiz.
  • + 5
 My first impulse is to resist and go back to full rigid,but,then I think about how I really will end up softening my position slightly and will end up complying eventually. (Written in 3 milliseconds)
  • + 1
 I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again — it’s only a matter of time before devices like this are GPS enabled and capable of providing ‘section-specific’ tuning.
  • + 1
 Anyone take the national mountainbike survey? The first question was "do we want electronic suspension aids." Joking of course, because it's stupid.
  • + 1
 What system of active damping control did lapierre have a few years back? I demo'd a bike with whatever that was and it worked brilliantly.
  • + 1
 Fox can barely make analog suspension reliable so I'm going on venture out and say this might not be the best thing to early adopt .
  • + 1
 Looks cool and sounds cool but I’m a guy who wants no batteries on my bike. I don’t need something like this or Di2 to die on me while I’m 20 miles away from home
  • + 3
 Now if they could only stop putting globs of grease in the air springs.
  • + 2
 I am having flashbacks of gen1 Di2 aesthetics with all those cables and boxes mounted to the frame.
  • + 4
 And look how quickly mtb di2 died
  • + 2
 About as useful as pissing in the wind while simultaneously burning $100 bills!
  • - 1
 I just can’t imagine the problems it will make ,it’s almost like a joke ,the f100x spreding oil as f@ck ,the next was the 130 ttx leaking again ,cause they have to stop working then open then close then open,the 130 ttx had a little “sag”until the valve open or close ,but still could not hold very long until failure ,it was almost 14 years ago but still ,now they say that it will react to the terrain that fast and be what durable?problem free ,because they just introduce a gimmick when there was none,come on how mutch time it will last ,but hey don’t stop ,but Bring the spring back ,please cause in the end it’s just durable predictable and well better .
  • + 3
 how funny would it be if the UCI banned this tech lol
  • + 1
 lol like F1 banned active suspension..
  • + 2
 I’ll vote with my dollars... well I vote ‘no’ because I’ll never have the money for this. Neato stuff though.
  • + 1
 @jdsusmc: I have the dollars and I still vote NO.
  • + 3
 Is it like live resin ?
  • + 1
 So when I eat it, I can just blame Fox, right…? I mean, that’s what I do now…
  • + 1
 Looks an awful lot like the K2/noleen/proflex "smart shock" of the late 90's
  • + 1
 @pinkbikestaff

Let's have a shootout!

Trek Re:Activ Thru-Shaft .VS. Specialized Brain .VS. Fox Live Valve.
  • + 2
 I'd add a Chromag in that test.
  • + 3
 No thanks.
  • + 1
 This looks sweet! I wonder if can add to current suspension as just got a new bike
  • + 2
 Please get your batteries and wires away from my bike.
  • + 1
 When i wheelie does it thinks that i climb?
  • + 1
 Lapierre has had a similar thing to this for years. It isn't new.
  • + 1
 Can't wait to load up my Di2 E-Bike!!!!
  • + 1
 AI-Powered, Cloud-Connected Suspension System, Soon.
  • + 1
 Does your bike turn fully rigid when the battery goes flat?
  • + 1
 If it is like the lapierre system it will be fully open when it goes flat
  • + 1
 Where is the bottle cage?
  • + 1
 What about the money??? Of course it will be expensive but for how much???
  • + 1
 Necessary as a new hole in the head . Big Grin
  • + 1
 Is it 29+ compatible?
  • + 1
 @DONKEY-FELTCHER: It's 28.99 compatible! Wink
  • + 1
 @m1dg3t: So Sram only?
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