10 Things I Loved in 2022: Henry Quinney

Dec 9, 2022 at 22:59
by Henry Quinney  
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be"

Shimano Saint

2022 marks 10 years since the M820 groupset was released. 10 years, 10 gears, and everything just works.

Yes, bikes have moved on, but the Saint groupset still keeps pace and is just fantastically reliable. Maybe a comparison to an AK-47 would be too close of a venture to cliche-strewn waters, and maybe a fairer comparison would be Jeremy Clarkson's Hilux or how reliably Levy's Mini used to balance on its bricks in his garden

Old does not mean bad. I've heard rumors of a 2025 new Saint groupset, but to be honest, does it really matter? To keep with the times, I'm sure the mechs will be more angular than a Cillian Murphy portrait painted by Picasso, but will these death-by-papercut changes affect the ride on a downhill bike? Probably not. It'll probably move to 11 or 12-speed spacing, but for racing that again is somewhat inconsequential. Maybe they'll be a raft of changes ushered in by a big move from Shimano, but I doubt it. It'll probably just be an evolution of what is still the best downhill groupset.

Saint was fantastic nearly a decade ago and it's still great now.

Price: Depends
More Infomation: shimano.com

Mountain Biking Clothing Getting Better

Mountain bike apparel has got better - again! Last year I talked about decent waterproof trail shoes. This year, I'm going back to basics, and maybe even back to the start.

Mountain biking clothing and shoes have historically been crap. I'm not asking for skin-tight lycra or another reason to stuff my pants with a half-crescent of conveniently malleable avocado, but I would say that compared to other disciplines it's pretty laughable how rubbish mountain biking clothing has always been. That jersey that's a 'technical tee'? $100. That baggy jacket that's not only shaped similarly to but also has the same breathability as a sandwich bag? $300. What about some cargo pants that look like Korn wore them at Woodstock 99? Naturally including massive unzippered pockets, and maybe a combination of both belt loops that you won't use and velcro that won't work. All of it coming in turquoise or orange so you definitely can never wear them off the bike. Ah - perfect.

Honestly, mountain biking clothing was so bad for so long. Everyone was going around like a nu-metal band that was on a day trip to the beach, but it's gotten a lot better recently. Racers not wearing kits that will not act as a boat sail may well have played their part, but we're moving to functional, well-fitting clothing across the board.

Now, I as much as anyone don't want my pink wobbly bits on display for the world to see, and I don't want figure-hugging ensembles that risk to tease a flash of ass-crack or, worst yet, translucent synthetic material that gives passers-by or fellow cafe patrons an absolute eyeful while they have their mouths full, but mountain biking kit, especially when it's expensive, should at least be functional.

Trousers are slim fitting, jerseys have abandoned 3/4 lengths that make you look like Smash Mouth's roadie, and the backpack seems to have finally died a death - and shoes have got better again. I want a decent set of gravity shoes to be a blend of low weight, protection on the toe and heel, and functionality on the pedal. What they absolutely don't need to have is extra-thick padding and a sole chunkier than a Tesco brand choc ice. There are now plenty of good shoes and clothing to choose from (save for the very tall or very short but that's another story for another time). And what do I have to say about that? About bloody time!

Price: Infinity, and beyond.
More Infomation: I'm here to help

Unior bearing press review test

Unior Bearing Kit

I like working on bikes, but I wouldn't say I'm that into particular brands or models of tools. In fact, I would say I'm far more concerned with having my tools organized than what they are. I think, for me, accessibility is key, as well as ease of replacement. Everything should be able to be accessed with one hand. As long as that criteria is fulfilled I'm quite happy using whatever.

When it came to stocking my own toolbox, I got the bulk of it from Unior. I visited their factory in 2018 and it just blew me away. I always thought they were the smaller, less-known blue bike tool brand. However, once I got there, I realized that it's completely the other way around - it's one of the biggest factories in Europe, and is responsible for making automotive tooling for some very big players indeed. They have these amazing stamping tools that bring down the force of 10,000 kilos. Honestly, I think inside all of us is a little Fred Dibnah, and my inner Fred was going absolutely bananas at the sight of these incredible machines and the skilled operators using them.

There is also an understated ingenuity to some of their tools that I just love. Their bearing press is a particular highlight because you can disengage the threads on one of the levers. This means you can slide it on, right up to the bearing, then engage the threads to drive the bearing, before disengaging them and sliding it straight off. It sounds small, but when you use it often, especially when doing jobs in hard-to-access areas around the linkage, it's really great. It's just an absolute pleasure to use.

I got this press in 2019 and it's still going very well. It's not cheap but it does make you smile every time you use it.

Price: $299.99
More Infomation: uniortools.com

Pinkbike Racing. You know it.

Santa Cruz V10

This year, while wrenching for the Pinkbike Racing team, I spent a lot of time taking apart V10s and putting them back together again. A dozen race weekends, two riders, and two team camps meant that Santa Cruz's downhill juggernaut and I got to know each other very well, and very quickly. To work on, this bike is a pleasure, and a genuinely sensible race bike - if it had an oval headtube to take an inbuilt three-position reach to adjust the headset it would be absolutely perfect. Its 56 mm round headtube isn't bad by any means, and it's better to have the option of adjustment up front than not, but it does mean that reach-adjust headsets need aligning and are sometimes thread-locked into place to stop them from coming out of alignment with the triple clamp fork.

At the heart of the V10's charm is the linkage, which is just so easy to work on. Not only is swapping any bearing a doddle thanks to them being on the easy-access links, but the bearings and hardware themselves are so well sealed to begin with. The V10 also covers off-bases where other downhill bikes might be vulnerable - the whole bike is easy to clean, reliable, and robust, and it doesn't rely on the shaft of the shock to provide stiffness, which is one less thing to worry about on a race weekend or keep on eye on over a season.

I like the V10 to ride, too. It just seems to do everything well. The geometry is well-balanced too. It might not be the longest bike out there, but thanks to the shorter-than-most-reach figure and the long rear center, it's amazing how planted to the front is. Maybe there is an argument for a steeper seat tube, but all in all this bike is just as fantastic as when it broke cover several years ago.

Yes, there are bikes out there that do some things better, but I think Santa Cruz has made an incredibly well-rounded downhill bike. To work on, however, they've played a master stroke. Now, all it needs is neat internal routing for that rear brake, that works whichever side you ride it on, and to call it a day.

Price: $4,299 USD (frame only)
More Infomation: santacruzbicycles.com

https www.Enduro2.com

Enduro 2 and Alps Riding

We're all products of how we were raised. Growing up on a farm in the 90s, right in the sweet-shit-spot between BSE and foot and mouth disease, meant that I remember getting the impression my parents, who both tended to the livestock full time, were almost always overworked, stressed out, and completely exhausted. And, the thing you quickly learn when you grow up on a farm is that the animals always come first. I think from the years between 1995 and 2007 we were consistently late to any event, gathering or social function without fail.

Although I understood it, and the reason was that there just weren't enough hours in the day, no matter how hard my parents worked, I often felt embarrassed and frustrated to be late for everything. Even if we were actually going to be on time for something the universe would conspire against us - whether it was cattle escaping their enclosure, local kids setting fire to hay bales, or maybe a ewe going into lamb, we would always, always be late. Now, I know that in the vastness of space and time being five minutes late for a vol-au-vent or some crisp and dip is rather inconsequential, but it left an impression on me, and, ever since, I've hated being late and really really hated people being late with me. Five minutes is absolutely fine. Ten minutes happens. But fifteen or twenty and that's just not on.

"To be early is to be on time, to be on time is to be late, and to be late is totally unacceptable" - especially if you aren't even ready to go when you get there.

It's the reason I hate group rides. I've expressed this and some people have said "Henry, you haven't done it right! They're the best". Well, no, they're not. They're absolutely awful and I hate them. However, there is one man in the world who is full of much bile, misery, and hatred for the One Show as I, and a week's riding with him in the Alps culminating in the Enduro 2 in Meribel was probably the best riding I did all year. In fact, it was probably the most fun I've had in five. Just imagine doing 500 meters of descent and then dropping into the Meribel World Cup track on one continuous stage. Lungs gulping air, brakes pulling to bar, hands screaming. muscles screaming. You - literally screaming. Incredible.

The 10 days we were in the Alps was full of non-stop complaining, bike breakages, pizza, and one incident where Matt got perilously to the one-meter exclusion area while working on his bike for him, and thousands upon thousands of meters of timed runs - and the best part is - you got all the social aspects of riding in a large group, but within the race, you were on your own schedule and never had to wait for anyone (except all the waiting Matt did for me but that was at the bottom of runs, so it doesn't count, right?). However, it managed to do all this in a great no-bravado culture and environment. Honestly, we had just a fantastic time.

Price: I can't remember exactly but it was pretty reasonable
More Infomation: enduro2.com

Topeak Pressure Guage

One more tool shout-out, from that man that just told you he wasn't that into tools. It's unglamorous, and I know there are some pressure gauges that look like a hand-crafted pocket watch of a Victorian train conductor, but I've had one of these for years and always loved it. Reliable, with long battery life and can fit both Presta and Schrader. What's not to love? It's not the most exciting piece of kit but it's the first thing I would put down if I was speccing out a toolbox.

There are of course those who prefer to measure their psi to decimal places, but I believe this to be pointless. One psi is definitely close enough. Setting up your bike should be about consistency to alleviate anxiety and bring reassurance, not chasing tolerances so small they'll fluctuate straight away and undermine the whole exercise. Maybe fat bikers would find it useful where 0.5 of a psi can play a bigger role - but it isn't for me.

I don't know what else to say. It's a pressure gauge and it works.

Price: $47 USD
More Infomation: topeak.com

e13 LG1R

Short Cranks

Finally, cranks are getting shorter, and although I still don't think enough brands have adopted them or have truly considered the wider benefits they could bring, it's great to see them becoming more common.

I remember last year, and we had 175 mm cranks on some review bikes. It's just absolutely bizarre, and an anachronism of the sports road-cycling roots. They belong in the exact same parts bin as rim brakes, unified rear ends, or QR axles.

Currently, I have some e13 LG1 Race carbon cranks on my downhill bike and they're just fantastic. However, at 160 mm, I think this is only the beginning. I think 160-165 would be my preferred length for trail and enduro bikes, and maybe even 155 for downhill.

You see, the benefits aren't just about ground clearance when pedaling, but they also mean we could design frames and bottom bracket heights with shorter cranks in mind. There is also another big bonus for me - why do we want long cranks that demand greater glute recruitment in the final part of the stroke? As cyclists, most of us have overdeveloped quads - at this point, we might as well lean into it and use the bloody things. A shorter crank feels almost closer, and certainly more in range. Going back to longer ones always feels like you're trying to scrape mud off your outstretched toe and at the end of the stroke - it's just no good.

Shorter cranks also mean that the hip is more open at the top of the stroke. This again could have changed our seated position because it will free up bio-mechanical real estate. That's not even factoring in foot position. Most riders, whether flat or clips, tend to have their foot over the pedal more compared to our tarmac-loving cousins. Not always, but often. Shorter cranks give more freedom in this regard, too.

I'm all riled up just thinking about how stupid long cranks are. If you need me I'll be on the campaign trail as a single-issue independent candidate. I want to take this to the very top. Or, failing that, at least Ottawa.

Price: ethirteen LG1 Race Gen4 Cranks - $429
More Infomation: ethirteen.com

2023 Scott Genius

Internally Routed Headsets

I understand why internally routed headsets seem daunting and asking for trouble - but I think they look great. And, I assure you, riding a bike that looks that clean is a big bonus. In fact, I remember having loan of a bike with the feature just as spring broke cover and I couldn't help but feel I was commanding the starship Enterprise. In fact, the feeling was maybe heightened by my buddy wearing one of those Specialized Gambit helmets, which does look somewhat Klingon.

Now, are the looks of your bike the most important thing in the world? No, but that's not to say they don't matter.

As I've explained before, I've never understood the 'mechanic's sympathy' card. If you work on your own bike, then say about it how you wish - I can imagine not having a work stand making the whole affair a shitshow. However, bike shops are there to maintain your pride and joy and should be expected to be competent with releasing three bolts and retightening them. I imagine cars would be far easier to work on without body or interior panels. When somebody levels the criticism of them being overly complicated I understand, but when people say they're overly complicated while also trying to signal that they've come to this viewpoint from a position of technical proficiency it genuinely makes me cringe. More so, I often find that people are just pandering to the masses and scoring lucrative internet points - which in some families can be cashed in for real rent for a spot of the sofa bed in your grandmother's basement apartment. "Inside cable bad. Outside cable good." Jesus wept.

It should also be said that the latest Scott bikes come with Shimano brakes and I don't think this is a coincidence. A bucket bleed takes about 3.6 seconds and if that's too much then I don't know what to say.

I think some people just reject aesthetics being a priority as if it's moving away from a purist ideal of what a bike should be. To that, I say that it's not internal headsets that are nonsense but that attitude. It doesn't make a mountain bike less of a serious endeavor for them to look good and we shouldn't be embarrassed to say that.

Price: Occasional bouts of anger
More Infomation: Don't shoot the messenger

Rapha Trail pants and knee pads

Rapha Trail Knee Pads

Rapha's streamlined pads aren't the ultimate kneepad for all-out protection - however, if you're looking for something well-fitted, minimalist, comfortable, and light enough to never give you a reason not to wear them, then they should definitely be on your shortlist for your next pad.

Admittedly, I think they look kind of goofy with shorts, and the lack of side protection around the lower sides of the knee might well put you off, but they also don't suffer from any unnecessary bulk and fit really well under riding pants.

The material breathes well and the grippers strike a great balance between staying put without being constrictive or wearing marks. They've been my go-to pad for the majority of the year and I absolutely love them for all things pedaling.

Price: $110 USD
More Infomation: rapha.cc

Strategy Games

In late 2020, in a move that definitely wasn't a nervous breakdown, I went to Portugal and lived alone, without seeing another person to so much as chat with for a few months. Sure, I made the odd phone call and I was still working, but I felt I had something like a spiritual retreat, albeit without the trust exercises, singing around the campfire, and those really baggy trousers that people insist on wearing. We get it. You dropped acid in Thailand - good for you.

During that time I played a lot of computer games, ate fish fingers, and tried to average a mile of elevation every day. Although it was a strange time in so many ways, and perhaps even a trifle eccentric on my part, it was also a tremendously meaningful time for me as I defragmented my brain and reordered my thoughts. With all that gaming, and all that pedaling, music was a big factor, and I would sit there wrapped up in a blanket and wallowing in my own self-enforced exile as I ignored the world around me. Maybe wallowing is the wrong word - I was swimming in the serenity of its solitude, and enjoyed a previously hitherto untouched level of mental health. Maybe it was the pure omega-three running through my veins from the daily-family-value-pack of fish fingers. Maybe it was the gaming. Who knows? (Just joking - it was a truly eye-watering amount of therapy and I have the invoices to prove it).

I'm somebody that tends to think in long-form conversations with myself. If you ever listen to me speak on a podcast and curse the inescapable tedium as you wait for somebody else to interject, well that's what I'm dealing with twenty-four-seven. For that reason, I love playing strategy games as I put the blinkers on and just shut the world, and my own thoughts, out for a few hours.

Sometimes I listen to Radio 4 (Alexei Sayle's and Rob Newman's shows tread the perfect line between philosophy, humor, and surrealism and you finish them realizing that by comparison you've never said anything noteworthy in your entire existence). The funny thing is, my sensory system is so overloaded with information from the intensity of defending my in-game kingdom that I normally have to listen to a half-hour program several times to feel like it's gone in.

I've also had my eyes opened to the amazing mod communities that exist around strategy games - people who literally take a functioning game, rebuild it into something completely different, and then just give it away for free. My current go-to is the Lord of the Rings: Total War mod. Honestly, it's a work of art and I highly recommend it.

Price: Free, assuming you have the right software the mod runs on.
More Infomation: moddb.com


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 I was expecting the transition spire to be listed ten times.
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 Instead he listed headset routing?
Think he must have been on the mushies again
  • 43 6
 same... this entire article just seems disingenuous now
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 @dresendsit: Exactly what I thought. Once I saw cables through the headset, it all just felt satirical.
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 @DBone95: Sadly I think not. From the mind that brought us "In defense of useless new component standards" www.pinkbike.com/news/opinion-are-standards-really-that-bad.html
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 @rich-2000: it’s obviously because the spire chose for external brake routing.
  • 9 0
 @rich-2000: this is a scandalous lie! the clue is in the article. he did acid in Thailand and while wearing baggy trousers
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 @rich-2000: this paragraph was brought to you by Acros, head of the headset mafia
  • 4 4
 ...and those short cranks are perfect for e-bikes. Just sayin'...
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 @JohSch: the hate is strong in this one, and rightfully so!
  • 3 1
 Haha so true Henry is a muppet
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 Great trolling on the internally headset routed stuff....He is trolling right?
  • 25 8
 Came here to say the same thing. He's definitely trolling.
  • 85 2
 He is definitely not trolling. In their recent podcast episode debating internal headset routing he was arguing for it. Which is surprising because why care what your bike looks like when you only ride alone and nobody else gets to see it?
  • 7 1
 @Henryd555 No, no he is NOT.
  • 27 2
 Started with "the V10 is well thought out, but i would really love to dismantle/rebleed/get oil all over my bike with an internal routed rear brake hose", and kept going with "wait, lets route that baby through the headset!".
  • 55 13
 Pooh-poohing real mechanics' frustration with an unnecessary design change that makes their already underpaid lives more difficult is pretty lame.
  • 11 0
 strong, strong contrarian flex going on here
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 @jayacheess: what is difficult about bleeding brakes? it's the same job in the end (headset rebuild, changes to steerer height etc) but with a different route, longer yes but certainly not difficult. it's good for us as more work means more money which is good for our boss and our continued employment.
if you're a mechanic like me and this is frustrating for you then you need to change profession to be more happy in life.
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 Clearly the internal cable routing cabal has some sort of leverage over him, and this public support was part of the agreement that kept him employed.

Henry, next article, if you're writing against your will, do the "double space after a period" thing that some people claim they were taught, and we'll know to you got in over your head, and can send Levy over from Tim Hortons to extract you from this mess.
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 The DO look awesome though
  • 10 2
 @p0rtal00: I'm not a mechanic, but I know my local mechanics are swamped with work for 8 months of the year, and another task just means fewer peoples' bikes get worked on in a given day.
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 @p0rtal00: I agree to a point and I am now speaking from a position where I am not a mechanic anymore. I think that marketing drives over-engineering of components/bikes to provide something "new" to customers. This case makes sense, Bike companies are businesses and although the "based" mechanic and rider culture understands and respects simplicity, the rich customers are going to spend their money where the "newest" and "best" technology is that also looks the best.

I also can understand that innovation in technology can definitely be done a right and wrong way. For example, Sram AXS is a very simple way to bring innovation to the bike industry whilst also allowing for less cables which equals a cleaner looking bike. Shimano DI2 provides the same solution but replaces the cables with wires which provides new problems of their own. Partly this is difficult to get around for shimano because of specific patents but I think we can all agree that this same innovation was done better by Sram.
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 @i-like-toytles: I agree and disagree. "Why car what your car looks like when you only drive it from inside?" I don't like internal headset routing for my own reasons, but your argument is flawed.
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 @Spencermon: huh? What’s my argument?
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 @i-like-toytles: you said - "why care what your bike looks like when you only ride alone and nobody else gets to see it?"

I guess it was wrong of me to assume that this is your argument (or stance for less confrontational word choice) against headset cable routing.
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 @Spencermon: it’s a joke about Henry only riding alone whilst also liking headset cable routing.
My personal stance on headset cable routing is a really sensitive subject that I don’t share with others.
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flag olafthemoose (Dec 15, 2022 at 13:21) (Below Threshold)
 I’d bet that 95% of people complaining about internal routing/headset routing on here have never once in their life changed a rear brake or headset bearing
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flag olafthemoose (Dec 15, 2022 at 13:23) (Below Threshold)
 @p0rtal00: thank you, glad to see another real mechanic on here with some sense. Most of these people complaining on here probably have never bled a brake
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 @jayacheess: Yep, it can get very busy. Not that I'm the best paid person around but I can point to more reasons when asking for a pay rise. Saying that cheap bikes and parts are great! Smile
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I'd actually argue that most of the people who are complaining about it, ARE the people who have done those things. While the people that don't care are more likely to not care because they pay someone else to service their stuff.

I built my bike from the frame up, swapped rear brakes on my old bike twice, and pulled the headset bearings for service at least 4-5 times. I'm fully capable of dealing with through headset routing. But I'd much rather not deal with it if given the choice.
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flag olafthemoose (Dec 15, 2022 at 13:34) (Below Threshold)
 @ocnlogan: sure, I get that. But the level people are outraged by it makes the whole thing feel like more of a massive internet circle jerk than an educated response. It’s honestly getting really annoying.
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 @Henryd555: I love AXS, best upgrade I've bought.
You're quite right, whilst I don't see headset routing as a difficult issue I would agree that there are reasons for some for disliking it; a home mechanic who doesn't have the necessary tools to accomplish this and is frustrated by the extra expense when taking their bike to a shop; whilst I don't like or dislike the look I can see that some may find it ugly.
We're all different and this makes life bloody brilliant, it'd be boring if we all liked the same thing.
I do think that there are some very emotionally bizarre reactions to this that makes no sense though.
  • 5 0
 Since I am my own mechanic I am entitled to hate on interna routing ! And if you race you usually have to be your own mechanic so basically only posers aren't allowed to complain about this, fine by me. But in all seriousness if you race DH or Enduro and can't replace a broken rear brake somewhat efficiently enough it's pretty shit. Sure it doesn't happen at every race and if you are luck not even a season but when it does happen, and you are probably somewhat sore and tired, having to deal with internal routing will be like getting kicked while already be beaten by life.
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 @ocnlogan: it amazes me how many people can't understand this point of view. It's pretty simple. It's purely marketing and just change for the sake of change. Why make any task take longer if there is nothing to be gained from it?

I don't put my helmet on before I put my t-shirt on. I'm sure I could manage, and the end result would be the same, but it's easier to put my shirt on first.
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 I'm actually not opposed to headset routing by default, I'm willing to give anything a fair chance. Where I start balking currently, is:

can i get a Chris King headset for headset routing? NO.
Can i get a Hope? NO.
Hell, I can't even get a Cane Creek, and they're usually the best about compatibility. All i can get is an FSA? warning bells.

FSA has long been willing to support every weird, short lived, flash in the pan, proprietary idea, and then drop support for it as soon as it doesn't take off, leaving people that bought it swinging in the wind.

There appears to not even be a standard for those other headset companies to work toward supporting it. again, warning bells. when we start seeing buy in from the rest of the industry, i'll start paying attention.
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I get it. I also prefer the commentary against it stay "legitimate", and not just be the "thing the comments section people say to get upvotes this week". But I also think bringing it up constantly in the comments is one of our only tools for telling companies how we feel.

It seems to me, that BEST case scenario for through headset routing in mountain bikes, is "arguably better cable management/aesthetics".

While the WORST case for it seems to be "reduced upper headset bearing lifespans (opening for water right into them), needing to re-bleed brakes to adjust stem height (if you don't have clip on stem spacers)".
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 @i-like-toytles: haha. I'm an idiot.
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 @groghunter: This is my biggest issue with it. I use a Oneup handlebars and stem with a Chris King headset on all my bikes. I would never sacrifice quality for looks on a mountain bike. To be honest though, I actually prefer the look of external routing.
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 @p0rtal00: mate not everyone is spending £50 at a bike mechanic and doing home maintenance.

We have limited time in the day to carry out maintenance, try out yourself into somebody else's shoes before you run wild with your God complex.

"Pfft it's only a brake bleed peasants I can do it in 30 minutes and charge an hour labour"

Meanwhile I'm at home spending £14 on four olives for bleeding my brakes every time I want to regrease my headset every month!
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 @p0rtal00: I guess you haven't worked on many road bikes where internal space is extremely limited and any time you have to drop a fork a brake bleed is in order. Much less the countless times a customer changes their minds on stack height and needs new spacers installed, heaven forbid the brake lines have been cut often enough that it now needs a brand new line run because it's too short for the new stack height.

Don't get me started on downtube rattle and having to solve that with another bleed and fork drop.

Internal cable routing through the headsets empirically sucks and has no place on any mountain bikes with more than 110 mm of travel.
  • 5 0
 @i-like-toytles: that EU bribery scandal is nothing compared to Acros bribing every product manager and the media Wink

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 @groghunter: the headset compatibility is a very fair argument. I do think that will improve in the future
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 I personally hate working with internally cable routed hoses that go out the side of the down tube. You have to mangle them around to get them out the hole and having the tool with the magnet certainly does help (I don't own one atm).

I can't really see any downside for the headset routed cables tbh. I usually route my cables from the back to the front. This means the only hole I'd prolly have to worry around is where I push the hose in. With headset routed cables I don't have to worry around finessing the cables thru the sides of the downtube anymore, instead I just wait for them to pop up in the headtube and pull them out.
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 @jayacheess: so they've created the real need for more bike mechanics.

Seems like a good thing to me? Aren't there quite a few people in here that would happily take those jobs?

I've not heard these kind of silly arguments in the motorcycle or auto world. More mechanic time needed? More dream jobs for the people who live that stuff.

Besides, they look fantastic. And I'm the only person that ever wrench on our bikes and would love to own the aluminum version of that new Scott Genius.
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 @BarryWalstead: more demand for bike mechanics wouldn't be a good thing near me. Bike shops already struggle to find them and I can't see the hiring pool getting any deeper for the money they pay.
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 @st-alfie: that's really a problem for this community here. Maybe we all need to be willing to pay a little more to the people turning wrenches on bikes.

Got a take on that @henryquinney?
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 @sampo18: god complex? what planet are you on man?
tell you what though if you actually thought about it rather than having a hissy fit you'd realise you can regrease those bearings without removing any brake lines, but I guess you'd rather moan and whine rather than think.
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flag p0rtal00 (Dec 15, 2022 at 20:42) (Below Threshold)
 @antrunner: yep been there done that.
hunting down creaks when the entire bike is making all sorts of noise is a pain also.
people are people, they'll change their minds at the drop of a hat.
what's wrong with that? if they're willing to pay for the extra work it's all good.
if you don't like your job my advice would be do something else. hopefully you can find something that doesn't annoy you all the time.
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 @BarryWalstead: people here already pay around 80-100NZD an hour at a bike workshop, it just doesn't filter down. Charging more to the public would hardly be feasible. Many of our higher skilled trades don't even charge as much for labour as bike shops.
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 I love how in one article he praises V10 for the ease of serviceability, Unior tool for saving a few soconds of work and then tth routing which ads all time saved by the above and then some Wink I think that SC should produce V10 Henry edition with tth routing and require PBR team to ride those. For sure he is trolling a bit, maybe he just likes the looks and thinks this will never come to dh so he is safe and extra 10k comments on PB will not hurt either.
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 @jayacheess: Mechanics get paid for the "extra" time and effort required, which is how they afford to live. The whole internal headset thing is undoubtedly a product of shops (the bike brand's buyers - not the end consumer) making bikes more complex machines to ensure more required trips to said shop. Henry is also a World Cup Downhill mechanic....... how is he not a 'real mechanic'?
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 @p0rtal00: how ever you are regreasing your bearings it's wrong, are you just chucking wd40 all over your frame to remove old grease?

Do you take the seals off and property clean or just apply grease to the outside?

What shop do you work in so people can avoid it?
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 @Spoony187: Never implied he wasn't. I was just mirroring the concerns that I've heard from currently working mechanics.
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 @i-like-toytles: depends...have you looked in the mirror lately? What reflects back at you can have a huge impact on how you feel.
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 @smoothmoose: I went to the bathroom like 30 minutes ago and I did look in the mirror. I'm happy to report that I feel good after seeing what reflected back at me. I don't see why the reflection of headset cable routing would have more impact on how I feel than just looking at it from my riding POV...
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 @BarryWalstead: I think bike mechanics are heavily underpaid and undervalued. That said, I think how cycling is considered within a culture is changing and hopefully, the wages reflect that. That said, this idea of "but 2 of the hoses disappear into a tube before reappearing" might somewhat undermine my take if it comes increasingly prevalent. Good mechanics can't shit miracles, but it's up to the shop to have a firewall for them and to trust them, and charge for jobs accordingly. There's nothing worse than when a bike is booked for 30 minutes when as soon as you look at it you know it's a two-hour job.
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While I'm personally in camp "through the headset" cable routing sucks, I do agree with you in this area.

If Industry changes like this take hold, mechanics/shops should absolutely change how they charge/bill work. Its just not fair to the mechanics, or shops to expect them to eat the costs there.

And while I 100% support people getting paid fairly for their work... I will also admit I'm being selfish here. If enough people start realizing that bikes with (IMO) compromising standards cost more to maintain, maybe that will move the needle.
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 @jayacheess: oh heavens,
You know, there’s other jobs out there rig?
Don’t complain about things being difficult, just be better
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 @p0rtal00: absolutely!
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 @jayacheess: no it doesn’t, it means opportunities. If you, or the people around you can’t see that, that’s your failing
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 @jayacheess: so you’re upset on their behalf, I believe there’s a term for that…
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 @Henryd555: if people don’t find it valuable, they won’t continue to pay for it. Eventually it will change for what the market wants.
If you’re not into “a thing” don’t buy “a thing” there’s so much choice out there, that the “a thing” has a multitude of available options, pick something different
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 @ocnlogan: it’s true - I heard Outside is soon to be rebranded Inside
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 @sampo18: more and even more assumptions, perhaps you should ask rather than just assuming.
If you want to know how to do it properly without removing the brake, just ask.
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 @p0rtal00: he did ask. All those sentences ending with one of these "?" Is a question. Did you leave school to work at the bike shop before you learned basic grammar?
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 @st-alfie: leave him be I'm sure he isn't actually a mechanic, but if he is I'd avoid his shop like the plague.
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 Not sure why you feel the need to attack professional mechanics: "...but when people say they're overly complicated while also trying to signal that they've come to this viewpoint from a position of technical proficiency it genuinely makes me cringe". Do you understand how much technical shit we have to deal with, be proficient with, and remember all the time for our jobs? So when a company comes out with an overly-complex "solution" to a non-existent problem, we're probably going to dislike it. And we're vocal, because all we have is opinions. People only bring us their bikes when they have problems, so we've developed strong opinions about what components work and what components are prone to failure. But we're also the guys and gals who you (customers) rely on to fix your bikes when they have problems that you can't handle, or when you have to warranty something and the manufacturer requires you to go through a shop. So give us some damn credit, and trust us that when we say something is over complex and needlessly complicated, it's probably the truth.
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 This x100
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 Guy was a world tour mechanic, I'm sure he gets it. But ya hard no to headset routing
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 Yo it’s not that hard to work on this stuff though. As a mechanic, why are so many mechanics total a*sholes?
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 @olafthemoose: yeah it's only an extra hour maintenance for a seasoned mechanic, and an extra 10p for a bike shop in olives etc, but pull your head out your arse, people are at home having to spend £14 for four olives and barbs from China and doing maintenance at home due to reduce cost!

The bike industry is a joke coming up with ways to squeeze every ounce of profit out of consumers to the point where nobody will be able to afford it!
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 How do I upvote this multiple times?
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 @hughbm: a world tour mechanic and a shop mechanic are not the same thing. Working on pro-level bikes =/= working on customers' bikes.

And if he "gets it", why is he being a jerk about it?
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 I work on all my own stuff now, but I used to wrench on other peoples stuff, personally I wouldn’t want more complicated stuff on my bikes, but when wrenching for a living it didn’t matter cuz work is work.

It’s not worth the drama, if you’re really a mechanic like you say, then you really don’t care, cuz it all pays the same.

Things that made me happy: working on clean bikes and building custom bikes, nothing like variety to keep it interesting.
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 @olafthemoose: are you trying to signal you're not a good mechanic?
Seriously, look at being an auto or motorcycle mechanic? Obviously there is a huge amount of complexity compared to even an ebike.

So be better, be great at wrenching on bikes and advocate for adding another mechanic to lessen your load due to too many bikes to wrench on. Advocate for a raise because you're great at what you do.

But don't call a slight increase in complexity to bikes as a problem.
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 @hughbm: cool, so he doesn't go from a 19000$ ebike, to a 27 year old junker, to a 500$ hardtail, to an Enduro wunderbiek to an xc hardtail to a kids wrote off park bike with everything seized and the finish up with a full motor swap from a pissed off commuter who's ebike motor failed mid winter because they don't like to clean off the crust at the end of the day. He works on the same bike every day.

Let me just finish the Scott we have in this week that severed the brake hose and DI2 cable because the fork over rotated. Now we have to completey tear down the bike so we can re-route the entire thing. Do you know how frustrating it is to get headset routed brake hoses perfect to a high end customers expectations when you have a whole days slate of work to do? Likely not.
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 @BarryWalstead: the issue is that this change adds complexity and lack of serviceability for no clear advantage to the average consumer.

As a professional mechanic, even more basic internal frame routing allows for a certain amount of work to be done in a certain amount of time without affecting other systems. Currently with headset routing, if someone blows a section of shift housing, brake hose, whatever else, I likely have to disassemble the headset and BB. Bad headset bearing? Everything has to be removed. So I've stripped it down to a frame at this point. On a road bike, I have to pop the brake lines out maybe. This costs the customer far more than it should. Sure I can charge people lots of money all day, but for the average consumer who bought a mid level road or mountain bike, this is a lot of billable hours that they can't afford.

Does this consumer gain much from the constantly aero argument or having the cables tucked in out of the way? Minimally if at all.

Aero needs a constant 45km/h either flat out or with wind factored in to start to matter in watts lost per CM of cable/hose and loses its advantage as soon as the grade reaches about 7-8%. And this is on a smooth consistent surface. As soon as you're on a MTB, you have surface conditions, tire choice, and grade to consider

Now how many average cyclists, the 98-99% if you will, can hold 45km/h in perfect conditions for that to matter for more than 15 minutes without being on a descent? None of them, the upper 1-2% of cyclists that even have the wattage output for this to matter just need it.

And I've rarely caught a brake line or shift housing loop over the last 20 years of racing pretty much every discipline from road to DH. I know it happens but again, were talking 1%.

Now imagine you're on a road trip.you've planned for months. You just drove 1200km or flew somewhere. Your headset routed bike has an issue and you need help fixing it. Because the shop has to account for a large amount of time when booking it in, they can't fit it in for a week because they're already booked up. You're just f'ed bud. You didn't bring a shop worth of tools for a full tear down, the bike company blind routed the brake hose through the frame so.you need the BB and headset apart. Meanwhile the guy with downtube routing had his brake replaced in an hour and is enjoying the trails.

The auto industry doesn't make every car a rally car because 2%- of drivers are going to use them, they make extremely limited amounts, they make average vehicles for most people that are relatively similar to work on. Also, most auto mechanics hate the stuff auto makers are coming out with because of how unserviceable they are or need extremely special tools and software to work on. So shit example.
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 Not as hard as we cringe at your lame trolling Henry. Take it down a notch, eh?
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 @kiddlivid: I regret that I have but one props to give this. You nailed the vast majority of my complaints about using designs that should be limited to race gear to increase marketability to the general market.
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 @sampo18: i recently got a fully rigid , steel, singlespeed Kona Unit as my antidote .
Loving just riding my bike again.

Stuff like this just begins to seem so pointless and trivial and the industry has made so many of us lose the way and lose what's important about the sport.

Ive been mountain biking since mid90s . It's unrecognisable now and not all for good reasons.
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 Professional bike mechanics have the benefit of repetition. They also see the different design approches by manufacturers. My first time repairing something is always more difficult than the fifth. With each repetition you get to analyze how to improve quality and efficiency. Its the mark of a conscience person that takes pride in there trade (i.e. professional).
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 @sampo18: yeah f*ck sram for charging 9 usd for a barb and olive. But seriously? And extra hour to bleed a brake? When you just disconnect a hose a lever bleed is all you need, no reason to do a full flush or even touch the caliper. And if there is, then the brake needs to be bled anyways. A lever bleed should take even a home mechanic 15 minutes tops. And why is everybody taking their upper headset bearings out all of the time?
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 @BarryWalstead: I think you missed my point? Im saying headset routing really isn’t a big deal because it’s only a slight increase to complexity.
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 @kiddlivid: what….. are you talking about? Bad shift housing just replace it. You’re a professional mechanic and have never heard of park tool internal routing tools?
Internal cable routing with one of those takes less time to switch out than it takes to cut, fasten and trim the 6 or so zip ties holding the housing on external routing. Yes, even with headset routing. You shouldn’t even have to drop the fork. Bad headset bearings? Probably only the lower one, which doesn’t require any extra work. Water getting in through the cable ports? Just throw a little more of the water proof grease you should be using anyways around the ports on the internal side. Hell, maybe an o ring if it bothers you that much.
To be honest on my personal bike I think I would prefer traditional internal routing. But as somebody who has worked on headset routing, it’s not that bad. I wish you “mechanics” would stop spreading this misinformation and getting everybody so riled up
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 @olafthemoose: you must be getting paid off by the industry somewhere.

I've literally just seen a Scott spark headset crusty as f*ck with internal routing.

Just admit it's shit or that you're being paid off.

Literally everyone can see it's a scam apart from yourself and two others on these comments ‍♂️

If you're not taking the bearing off properly you aren't regreasing your bearing fully, you'd have wd40 everywhere and grease everywhere.

Again where do you work so people can avoid your shop?
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 @YukonMog: it's ridiculous, there's some huge disconnect to what the biking community wants to see on bikes and what we are getting..

Incremental pointless changes that bring nothing but profit to the monopoly that is the bike industry.

Imagine if people actually started to pay attention to gearboxes and hidden drivetrains rather than flimsy derailleurs
  • 1 0
 @sampo18: I used to BMX and teh focus is much more on riding than pseudo-benefits through tech.

There's a lot less rich BMXers than MTBers though due to target demographic so go figure!!
  • 34 0
 "Everyone was going around like a nu-metal band that was on a day trip to the beach"

The accuracy of this is painful enough to make me cringe, and I am not a bashful individual.
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 "jerseys have abandoned 3/4 lengths that make you look like Smash Mouth's roadie" - also on point.
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 @ReformedRoadie: username checks out.
  • 6 1
 Guy just insulted my entire adolescence. Korn, Slipknot, and Deftones for life.
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 @ReformedRoadie: I guess I have to roll up the sleeves on my 3/4 length jersey now....
  • 4 0
 @rrolly: feels like I'm one of the few who prefer 3/4 sleeves? But after reading now I know why I've been getting my kit at a discount.
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 @CarlMega: you and me both brother, 3/4 sleeves 4 life
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 @CarlMega: based on his headset comments you keep doing what your doing! Smile
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: Hey - you do you...now tune this damn guitar!
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 Oooh my dear Henry, you're litterally asking for hatred comments, headset routing...You naughty!
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 Pushing internal routing headsets at the detriment of home mechanics who can't afford to take their bikes to a shop for your own gain... Sound. Just take it to a mechanic?! Talk about disconnect

I won't be buying any headset routed bikes, even internal routing is still a shit show rattley as f*ck and chaffing through the carbon on some brands!
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flag olafthemoose (Dec 15, 2022 at 13:26) (Below Threshold)
 It’s really easy to work on though
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 @olafthemoose: so whilst I'm in the UK regreasing my headset constantly because I can't afford to buy new ones due to shit conditions, I now have to buy new olives and re bleed my brakes every time now too for "bike industry profit", ah shit I mean "clean looks"?

Or are all mtbers rich and have their chauffer take there pride and joy to the bike mechanic to do it and I'm the odd one out?
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flag HeatedRotor (Dec 15, 2022 at 21:11) (Below Threshold)
 if your able to buy a bike with ICR.. you can afford to take it to a shop lmao - poor excuse. FYI im not a fan of ICR, infact i hate it. but your comment is stupid.
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 Just keep your current bike until this trend is over, just like pressfit is disappearing again.
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 @HeatedRotor: lmfao hahahaha

Ah yeah somebody should spend £100 quid on headset servicing rather than take their kids out for the day?

Im amazed daily by how people like you who are unable to put their selves in other people's shoes
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flag HeatedRotor (Dec 16, 2022 at 13:14) (Below Threshold)
 im amazed you spend thousands on a bike but not on your kids?
see how stupid that sounds....

I have 4 kids but service my own bikes not because i cant afford it but because i can.

so again, the person can service their own headset an save that 100 pounds.... but whinging about not being able to afford 100 after spending 3000+ on a bike is lame.

People downvoting my comment proves how out of touch/reality people on PB are.

How do people who buy a new car get on? do they not service at place of purchase but instead ruin their own warranty on their 50k+ car by attempting to do themselves or do they jump online an whinge about fact that cars need serviced.

Sampo. this convo is funny as hell. It just proves PB users like yourself have no idea how the world works
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So because we spend X amount on making our life worthwhile on a bike, it means we should be forced into spending more using add on services such bike mechanics rather than prioritising other things, be that family or other hobbies?

This is what I mean by being priced out of mountain biking, but do please tell me how the world works

I bet You're the type of person who is willing to buy a car that has pay per use unlockable horsepower even though the car has the ability to use that horsepower anyway, aren't you?

I hope you have a nice life kissing the ring of capitalism for your remaining years
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 @sampo18: You have your thinking waaay wrong.

Why would anyone pay sub's to anything? I would never support that kinda of Car business model.

Your 100% missing the point here and clearly so are the down voters.

You need to change your Flag to the one with all the stars on it, you'd fit right in.
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 @sampo18: you're so right. But now MTB is a buy-in-sport.

Instead of moaning, go buy a 2015 26" FS amazing bike for peanuts rag the shit out of it and live it and love it.

Unless you're a pro DH racer you're not good enough to need or want more.

Also delete your PB account and go read Singletrack.

I've saved you
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 @YukonMog: ahh thanks so thoughtful xox
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 lol at the topeak gauge. Low key one my most prized and longest lasting investments. I’m not sure any amount of sealant getting blasted into it can break it at this point. I use jt before every ride and I think I’ve scraped out dried sealant once after 5 years.
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 It's my favorite, but I sure wish the head swiveled 360°.
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 @JLantz: I wish my head swiveled 360°
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 also the battery life on this thing can be measured in decades
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 Lucky you are. Mine, since the first time I got it doesn't indicate the right pressure... but half of it, each time.
I did reset it, changed the batteries, practiced witchcraft and so on, nothing happened, mine is cursed.
Fatally I said to myself: you can live with it, just double the measurment to get what you want and it'll be correct at the end. OK, then just tell me how you get 1,7 bars precisely when the monitor indicates 0.8. I hate this shit.
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 @danstonQ: That does blow a bit but not as much for me so long as it’s precise. I set psi based on feel, use the gauge and take note of what it reads. All I know is when it reads 19psi, my tire feels good. Whether 19psi is actually in there is irrelevant to me. I’m sure there are cases when you need accuracy so not trying to downplay your issue at all but most digital gauges are off in my experience.
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 @riddenagenda: I ride an check PSI pretty much every day... my battery life is very poor, ive had 3 and they are all poor in battery life.
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 @danstonQ: I had similar issues, sometimes it would completely stop measuring pressure but after resetting/witchcrafting/waiting a day or two it would start measuring again. But after the last stoppage it started showing incorrect/lower pressures, I changed the battery and it looks like it is working better now, but still need to go to my mechanic and compare measurements with his pressure gauges.
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 Why the backpack hate?

I have a hip pack for short rides and a backpack for big days out.

They've both got their place.
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 I also love backpacks, because they mean I'm going on one hell of an adventure. No pack for short and medium rides, hip pack for long rides, backpack for really long rides or if there's no stream for the water filter. Going light is awesome. Going long is awesomer.
  • 14 0
 Henry, how are you going to say you played a bunch of strategy games and not name-drop the titles you played!?
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 He did mention the Lord of the Rings Mod for Total War.
He linked the Mod for Rome remastered, but there are also the original and very good LotR Mods for Medieval 2 (eg TW Third age or Divide and Conquer)
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 Frankly I don't see the point now that TWWH exists. In anything.
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 Warcraft 3 is ( alongside SC2) probably the best strategygame ever made if we are talking pvp. (Just dont use the reforged crap). There is also a big modding community and community based servers etc.
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 I need to get into Warhammer - I don't know why but I've always resisted it. I'm a bit of a nut for history and I suppose that's why I've always liked the realism of the original medieval and total war games. That said, I'm may a running jump onto LOTR without so much as batting an eyelid!
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 @henryquinney: I loved the original Rome, but as soon as TWWH came out I never looked back. There is so much more variation in play style and far deeper tactics, and there is so much lore that by the time you are a thousand hours deep into each title it feels like non-fiction now.

I'd probably recommend you get ahead with some articles whilst it's downloading; All Beginners Should Be On 200mm E-Bikes, Boost Spacing Saved Mountain Biking And SuperBoost Will Be Our Ascension, If You Don't Service Your Forks Every Forty Hours You Don't Deserve Them.
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 I think I recall Age of Empires was mentioned in previous articles.
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 @peterknightuk: Age of Empires 2 is amazing. Playing LAN battle with house mates and friends was a highlight of my teenage years. Command and conquer were my preferred go to though.
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 It's not that we can't do the service of a headset with lines routed through it. The issue for me is that it means and service of the headset just got a lot more expensive for the customer. Something we may have been able to do in 5 minutes now means a much more costly repair that a lot of people may just forego.
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 Exactly. I'm a headset destroyer for no known reason, probably every 2 months or so. If I had to disconnect every bloody control I would just accept a loose front end.
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 @Jaib06: Jesus, every two months!? You running waterjet-cutter abrasives in your pressure washer??
  • 11 1
 lol the real shame is henry missed his calling as a comedy writer. absolutely obliterates levys mini every chance he gets. also, nobody tell Henry about Civilization. He's already on the dark path, Civ might kill him
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 And definitely don't go down the rabbit hole that is Stellaris.
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 I tried Civ, but then I remember AOE4 came out a week later and I just went HAAM into it. Glad you like the piece! Levy's mini is just too easy.
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 This comment concerns me : "You see, the benefits aren't just about ground clearance when pedaling, but they also mean we could design frames and bottom bracket heights with shorter cranks in mind." The moment they do that we will be pedal striking with 165mm cranks. We would have to get 140mm cranks to avoid that LOL. I've always preferred a higher BB height.
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 "bike shops are there to maintain your pride and joy and should be expected to be competent with releasing three bolts and retightening them."

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 Three bolts, one 8mm wrench, one hose cutter, one barb installer (torx key or press fit), a bleed kit and the ability to inform a customer that a 5 minute job is now going to take significantly longer. And will need doing on a regular basis as some dumb-ass thought it would be a good idea to have holes in a headset cap that lets water in Wink
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 All for the shorter cranks. Rode track bikes in the city for a long time and the need to pedal through turns is kinda hard to work around. I recall getting into road bikes, and being unable to afford anything new or nice, I rode a 90s Cannondale hand-me-down with 175s. One of my first rides I smashed the crank on a turn - being trained to pedal through turns was my norm - and ripped my foot outta the Time ATAC sending me into the bushes. After that I quickly learned. Fast-forward 15 or so years and low geo got me bashing cranks on rocks. Again, I learned a lesson (probably one that has helped my bike handling) and know better. Why not a shorter crank arm?? Happy to see this developing in the industry and gives manufacturing a chance to tweak geo even more.
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 We all figured out how to do a half crank/ratchet and not pedal through corners.
  • 5 1
 Ya IDK, the industries addiction to 172.5+ crank arms has baffled me for years. While simultaneously they create 27 diff standards for every other component on the bike.
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 Henry is low-key thankful for sspomer & vital, the last pic of the south park gaming guy is a dead give away
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 Nice cameo
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 other than the internally routed headset, not as batshit insane as I expected from Henry!
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 Serious question. How tf do you get your brakes to not ingest air after the crush olive is crushed? I cannot for the life of me detach then reattach the brake hose without it not properly sealing the second time. The only solution I have found is to cut the hose then install a new crush olive
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 I mean with Shimano usually just do a quick lever bleed after pulling the line and its good to go, but this is purely my experience so maybe others have better answers
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 @Henryd555: it's pretty much the same for any brake system out there in my experience. Usually a simple lever bleed/burp is all it takes after reconnecting an old hose with a new olive and barb.
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 @seraph: well that is the issue. having to shorten the hose every time is not possible for me. I do not run extra hose to accommodate shortening it every time I need to change a bearing or change stack etc. Also my olives do not come off the hose after then have been crushed.
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 @kokofosho: He is not saying to shorten the hose. he is saying pull out the line from the lever, leave the barb and olive on the line, do the work you need to, put the hose back in and then do a lever bleed
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 @Henryd555: that is what I am saying doesnt work for me. Reinstalling the hose with the used crush olive causes air ingress despite using a torque wrench.
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 @kokofosho: before or after doing a lever bleed?
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 @seraph: I've done that as well but if you read the instructions every brake I've had actually instructs you to replace the fitting and olive whenever you disconnect the line. Probably just liability overkill but that's what they usually say. And to be fair, I've had a brake line come out before although I could trace it back to improper torque on the fitting (ie using the elbow gauge instead of a torque wrench).
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 @kokofosho: Oh, never had that. The olive is just for the nut to have something to hold the hose. It isn't meant to seal anything as the hose already gets sealed to the lever at the tip. I have no experience with internal routing, let alone the internal routing of a hydraulic hose. If removing a hose/brake implies cutting off the tip with the olive, you are indeed shortening the hose. This seems pretty unacceptable if you go to lengths making your hose the perfect length. But I'll leave what is acceptable to others up to said others.

What is also up to everyone to decide is what looks good and what doesn't. Apparently it has been decided cables and hoses look bad on bikes. Maybe the chain and sprocket does too. Spoke nipples need to be covered. Bolts need blanker plugs. Shoe laces need to be covered with flaps. Seat post clamp needs to be integrated, same for stem and bars. Female nipples need padded bras. Tree roots need to be covered or dug out... If you think it looks cleaner to you then that goes for you. For others, things are ok the way they are and don't necessarily need to be hidden out of sight.

My bike has a green frame, white decals, white fork lowers and I went with a white rear brake hose and a white shifter outer cable. I think it looks much better than if these white cables weren't there. But I'd also think that nearly every other bike out there could look nice if the outer cables and hoses were routed properly and the colour thereof chosen tastefully. I'm savage like that. Sure, make up your own mind. If your fashion sensitive dentist starts routing the wires for your brace internally, make up your mind again.
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 @vinay: I'm not sure you're correct about the olives just being for the shroud to grip the hose. I'm reasonably confident that in most systems the olive crushing helps create the full seal around the end of the hose. That's always been my understanding of it at least, and would make sense when you look at the shape of most lever ports that require an olive. With a Magura hose for example you can have them installed correctly but not with the tip actually contacting the end of the lever port. The seal formed by the olive is handling business there.

Regarding olives in general, you can normally use a pair of pliars to partially crush and fracture the old olive and remove it while keeping the hose insert in place, and therefore not having to shorten the hose. I've done it before plenty of times and it doesn't affect either the hose or the insert.

If you don't need to remove the olive for whatever task you're doing, feel free to re-use it.

If you'd like to make life simpler when it comes to reinstalling the hose, before disconnecting everything pull the brake lever to push the caliper pistons out - just be careful not to grab a handful of brake and push them the whole way out. Once you've disconnected the hose, done what you're doing and reconnected the hose, you can open up the lever bleed port (however it works on your brake) and set it up like you were going to bleed it. If you then push the pistons back into the caliper body, the flow of fluid will push any air now in the system up and out through the lever bleed port/reservoir (depending on your brake). Still involves some faff, but less than having to fully bleed the system because you've got some air trapped within it somewhere.
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 @CleanZine: Interesting. Our understanding of what the olive does is different and I can't confidently say you're wrong. Obviously I can't look inside the system but I've always tried to make sure the hose is in all the way as I tighten the nut. And as it squeezes the olive whilst it moves inwards, I thought it would push the hose end extra tight into the master. In your theory, the oil could still leak around the tip of the hose but would be blocked by the olive. My thinking is that if that were the case, it would also have to be blocked by the nut and it's thread. The olive-nut contact would only block the oil between them and keep it from leaking between the nut and the hose. But it won't do anything between the nut and the master body. For that to be contained, you'd need something like an o-ring or something soft to seal that. Just like you have with a bottle and it's cap. And that isn't there. But yeah, I won't confidently say you're wrong, just that I wasn't expecting that.

Never thought of removing the olive itself actually. I always thought that a shrunk olive would somehow leave a permanent mark on the hose so that a new olive would never hold it that well. But yeah, haven't tried. My front brake is a Louise 2006 master, regular Magura hose with a 2007 caliper (because I needed a PM caliper for this fork). My rear brake is a Marta 2009 master (because the Louise 2006 master wore out), Jagwire hose to a Louise 2007 caliper (as the frame takes PM too). I used the Jagwire hose to have a slightly stiffer rear brake hose (to have it balanced out front and rear) and also because I wanted a white hose Wink . This was my first and only time installing a Jagwire hose so I recall it worked different from the Magura hoses, but I don't recall how exactly.

Yeah, I understand your approach with driving out the air from the hose by pushing the pads back. I kind of do the same when I pump the brake, then open the reservoir, then push the pads back, then top off the reservoir. I understand "topping off a reservoir" has become an uncommon approach with modern mtb disc brakes but I don't run modern brakes Wink .
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 @vinay: The shroud doesn't come into contact with the fluid as the olive (should be!) blocking that from happening. The inside of the lever port is shaped so it basically "cups" the olive when it's crushed into it. The olive is made out of a soft material so it forms to that shape and stops the fluid going elsewhere. In essence it's just a really tough o-ring which it needs to be because of how that type of sealing system works. Basically, if it wasn't doing that it would just be the flat face of the hose insert (which doesn’t crush/compress/form to the shape of anything) butted up against a flat face on the lever port which would be an incredibly weak seal, and would require perfect installation and a perfect surface finish to work.

Topping up reservoirs is actually pretty common on most brakes now. It's how the MT-series work, and it's also basically similar to how the quick bleed caps that Hope have made for the Tech 3 & 4s work. You can kind of do similar with the Shimano systems too.
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 @CleanZine: Ok, thanks. I get what you're saying. I'll dig out my old Louise 2006 master and inspect it more closely. I am aware of the taper inside and so I do understand how the cones of the nut and master bore crush the olive. Just didn't think of that it was for sealing too. But going back to the original question, I have never had issues disconnecting and reconnecting a hose with the same olive. The Magura workshop manuals also never claimed I should replace them.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Yeah, if it's just disconnecting and reconnecting I reuse them! They should still seal up fine.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Olives crush/seal around the hose and to the lever port. This is used in other industries (household plumbing etc.) The barb supports the hose so the olive can crush around it making one seal. The olive crushes into the lever port making a seal. These seals are needed to handle the hydraulic pressure generated when you squeeze the brakes.

Every brake manufacturer recommends replacing olives and barbs when disconnecting and reconnecting brake lines to ensure your brakes work without leaking/losing pressure when squeezing lever.
  • 4 0
 I've owned a couple digital pressure gauges, and one reason I'm stuck on the Topeak is how easy it is to take apart and clean when it inevitably gets gummed up with sealant. Underrated feature, imo. And on the topic of bearing tools, one of my top picks for this year would have to be the bearing tool RAAW put up in their online store. It's an inexpensive, but well made tool that works great and is aimed at the home mechanic who just needs to deal with the bearings on that particular bike once every couple of years. It's something that, as I customer, I appreciate from a manufacturer. And it speaks to the principles of the brand.
  • 4 0
Your writing is absolutely superb.

Informed opinionated and ruthlessly unfiltered dripping with sarcastic humor

Brilliant gems like this:

"Naturally including massive unzippered pockets, and maybe a combination of both belt loops that you won't use and velcro that won't work. All of it coming in turquoise or orange so you definitely can never wear them off the bike. Ah - perfect."

Please keep writing more articles like this and calling out the dumbfkry as well as the brilliant things in the mtb world

That topeak gauge is rubbish however, Everytime I go to use mine the batteries are dead. or its' too cold or too sunny or and the guage is barely readable or some combination of the three. So i'm screwing around with the lighting buttons trying to find the perfect viewing angle to read the faded LCD

1 fkn job....and half the time it can't do it...I gave mine a curb stomping out of frustration at it's inadequacy
  • 1 0
 Now that's some funny shit.
  • 1 0
 @Mikevdv Thanks! I really enjoyed writing this and I'm glad you enjoyed it too. Ain't no rush like throwing a brick of opinion into a beehive. However, I still maintain that all my views are pretty middle-of-the-road! But maybe that's where the descent into madness really starts.

Poor topeak gauge - sounds like it had it coming.
  • 6 1
 You lost me at "Internally Routed Headsets". How dare your list of things include something that I don't like? You're so entitled.
  • 5 0
 He admitted in a recent podcast that he likes to throw out some toxic comments once in a while just to liven thing up.
  • 7 0
 I enjoy that I can read his writing in his voice and it all fits.
  • 4 0
 Jesus wept
  • 4 1
 I wonder how many years we'll have to deal with 175mm cranks. It reminds me of when OEMs and wheel makers kept trying to push 22mm rims when the people had already decided 30mm was ideal. 175 should be a special fit item for tall people, not standard. I still have a bike with 175 and holy shit they feel horrible after getting used to shorter cranks, I didnt think I would even notice them but they are the only thing that makes the bike feel outdated like hopping on a bike with sub 700mm handlebars.
  • 3 0
 Like a modern Christopher Hitchens, Quinny spews provocative, senseless hit, but does it with a flair of the pen and in a jaunty English tone, and so we're all left pondering if we're the ones just not smart or smarmy enough to get what he's saying. Solution? Same as with Hitchens - have another drink and continue to ponder.
  • 1 1
 I get what he's saying just fine so either I'm special or you are, in your words, just not smart or smarmy enough. P.S. I don't think I'm special.
  • 2 0
 @st-alfie: Don't sell yourself short! I think you are "special" if you enjoy internally routed headsets.
  • 1 0
 @FatTonyNJ: I guess my parents weren't lying to me then, I'm not special.
  • 3 0
 I love your way with words Henry, shame the moaning about internally routed headsets detracts from how funny the bit about MTB clothing is. Please continue to express your opinion freely, it's a welcome addition in what is increasingly becoming a stale and safe MTB media.
  • 2 1
 The moaniest person on pinkbike moaning about other people moaning. ....something about pots and kettles.
  • 1 0
 @RonSauce: are you calling me the moaniest person on pinkbike? If so, interesting, but thanks

Or if you mean Henry, he's not moaning, I'm doing it on his behalf.
  • 1 0
 @big-sally: I like Henry, but he's a total moaner.
  • 8 2
 Internally Routed Headsets - Hell yah...
  • 5 0
 I just like that Henry referenced Fred Dibnah even though he knows no one will know who he is
  • 2 0
 Hilarious really, considering we all know Fred Dibnah didn’t care a jot about aesthetics!
  • 1 0
 Did you like that?
  • 2 0
 Tesco Choc ice, Fred Dibnah but taking it to the top means going to Ottawa Smile Confusion reigns.
I immigrated to Canada from UK so am very happy with it all. Feel like a minority though.
  • 1 0
 I as a Croat know who Fred Dibnah is! Man is a freaking LEGEND!
  • 3 1
 References shouldn't be for everyone or ubiquitous. I'd rather have one that only 10% of people will get, but then it's like we're speaking the same secret language. That to me is far more significant.
  • 2 0
 I don't personally get the point of the headset routing unless its all super proper hidden like dangerholme stuff, which does actually look clean enough I'm happy to pay the bike shop a few bucks more for the hassle on the odd occasion they actually need changing... Currently, it kinda just looks the same to me.
  • 4 2
 I had the worst experience with Saint drivetrain.
They don’t make a narrow wide ring, I dropped my chain all the time on the new DH bike so I had to do replace with a 104BCD quickly.
The derailer knock was brutal.
After two months, the shifting was crap. Replaced the hanger, changed the cable, still shifted like crap.
That was summer 2021.
On the same bike, switched to GX DH in 2022. For the price it can’t be beat, 70+ days I haven’t touched anything shifts like new never dropped a chain.
I don’t work for either company or for a bike shop.
  • 2 0
 "Trousers are slim fitting"

Next year, we will take this to the inarguable logical conclusion that tights are actually by far the most functional.

Agree on the Topeak digital pressure gage. Not so much -- somewhat surprisingly -- on the SKS digital gage. Three strikes and they're out!
  • 3 1
 Internal cable routing, as currently implemented, is a halfway compromise. High end road bikes have zero exposed external cables, its beautiful. Current iterations of MTB headset routing still have a bunch of cable sticking out between the lever and headset. It will be good eventually, once lever design is changed, but its not there yet.
  • 2 0
 The bit about Video games I liked a lot.
Henry was always a dude I liked to see and listen to.

I will do my "portugal" beginning of 2023 in Finale Ligure. I hope there will be "an previously hitherto untouched level of mental health"

@henryquinney ... I would like to hear the portugal story in an podcast
  • 3 0
 Ha - I'm happy to talk about it maybe one day but sadly my part of the story, and how I ended up there in that particular situation is caveated by other people's own stories. Whilst I'm happy to talk about my own life, I suppose it would be remiss of me to discuss other people's in such a public way. Enjoy Finale though. I hope the mental health skyrockets. It's -10 here and I sleep in a 2001 Toyota people carrier/camper. The soft-sun of Portugal seems a million miles away now!
  • 6 0
 You've done it now....
  • 6 2
 Putting internal headset routing on a 2022 best of list is the definition of click-bait.
  • 4 2
 Yes on the clothing! Mountain bike clothing is awful! The best has to be listening to the knuckleheads whining about lycra while dressed like their following Insane Clown Posse on tour!
  • 5 1
 Kazimer, Levy and now Quinney, zero love for eBikes, not even light eBikes...
  • 2 1
 +1 to:
- Short cranks. So much happier after moving from 170mm stock to 165mm
- Group rides. It is individual and subjective. But I'm not a fan, either
- Topeak D2. Mine's currently in transit, so I hope it lives up to the hype. But I'm so sick to death of the dodgy gauges built into my pumps
  • 1 0
 What length are your legs? Debating 160 or 165 on my Enduro bike. I usually run 170mm.
  • 2 0
 @Ososmash: I’m 6ft and usually wear pants with a 32 inseam. I went with 160mm Canfield cranks, and I really like them. Part of me wishes I had tried the 155mm cranks. You might want to go down a chainring size if you go for the 160mm cranks; it should offset the reduced mechanical advantage from the short cranks.
  • 1 0
 finally got some Saint brakes on my trail bike, after dealing with brake issues for a long time.....it was a transformative moment in my long mountain biking career, as these brakes FINALLY offered what I'd hoped bike brakes could be.....probably my favorite bit of bike kit EVER. Saint brakes - glorious (even for flatland plonking)
  • 1 0
 Just yesterday had to work on a bike with cables routed through the head set and I have to say, I disagree COMPLETELY with Quinney’s opinion. While removing the fork for suspension service remains a straight forward job, albeit slightly more annoying- break, forget or misalign one of those whimsy plastic parts that keep the cables from rubbing against the steerer- add a rider who never strips apart his or her bike every for maintenance and … well you know.
While that may be a slightly fatalistic view, there’s more that bothered me about this set up: apart from the bearing itself all parts of the head set were plastic- on an E-bike. Let’s propose someone buys that rig and actually uses it they way it’s advertised - you know you’ll be changing that bearing or the complete head set rather sooner than later. That used to be a 15min job including a coffee and a donut… now you’ll have to strip the brake-line, the derailleur cable, the seatpost cable and if you’re really lucky and a customer drops off a Scott as shown above- the damper remote, too. 50min right there without coffee. Good luck explaining the costs of that to the always understanding and laid-back E-bike customer… but that’s not all- bike shops are already struggling to serve all their customers. With a simple bearing swap taking that much longer, that’s going to get worse.
And we haven’t even gotten into the supply issue… currently only ACROS makes those head sets… the bike I worked on had a dedicated stem on top of that- only produced by the bike manufacturer… yes that’ll change over time but seriously- WTF?!?
Don’t get me started on the manufacturers spending precious R&D resources on this rather than something that improves function or longevity- WHYYYY?!?
  • 4 0
 Surprised group rides weren't listed.
  • 2 0
 They should have just drooped a video with the PB crew sitting around a fireplace drinking Eggnog while sharing the 2022 love.
  • 3 0
 Seeing how complaining isn't #1 on the list I don't believe Henry wrote this article.
  • 3 0
 Shrooms didn't make the list? That story was the highlight of the podcast this year.
  • 1 0
 @powderhoundbrr I guess the hypothermic near death experience sullied the memory for him. Great story though!
  • 1 0
 Little does Henry realize Korn style cargo pants are back back in style. If the MTB industry would have been 25 years behind instead of 23 they would have actually gone full circle.
  • 2 0
 Honestly, I heard one of the Hadid sisters wore a translucent Castelli road packaway jacket to a rave last week.
  • 4 2
 God, do I disagree with short cranks! Got a set of 165mm on my enduro and can't stand them. Back to 175, I'd rather raise the BB than keeping the 165.
  • 2 1
 PSA you don’t need to buy “mountain bike clothing” in order to mountain bike. After trying short cranks, you can keep them I’d rather have my regular cranks and the efficiency and leverage they give me
  • 2 0
 One thing I loved in 2022: Henry on a podcast!!! Thank you for the laughs.
  • 2 0
 Thanks! I miss the bucketboys sweat-casts too!
  • 3 0
 Not sure how group rides didn't make the cut?
  • 5 6
 There is SO MUCH going against short cranks. First and foremost shorter cranks require you to bring the saddle up. The distance from the pedal at its lowest position to the saddle must stay the same. If this "lowest" or six o'clock position rises upwards (it was at BB -175mm and is now at BB - 160 mm) you need to rise your saddle by 15 mm.

This leads to a very different position and more weight and pressure on your chest, shoulders and hands. Now you CAN rise the bar with spacers or by buying a different bar with 15 mm more rise, but that f*cks with your stack height and position while standing up. It also brings your entire body and mass higher over ground, making the bike less stable while riding/pedaling in the saddle.

And don't let me start with riders of 6'2 and up. There's just no point for shorter cranks when you are above average height.

Naw. Shorter cranks smell a lot like plus tyres ....
  • 1 0
 Short cranks require some compromise, but we’re already compromised by riding long cranks.

I’ve been riding short cranks since before they were a whisper of wind in the trees, it’s nice to see folks embracing them finally.

In time the frame geometry will be adapted to shorter cranks and it’ll all work out, in the meantime I run an extra 15mm of spacer under my stem, no problemo!
  • 1 1
 I feel the same way aboot internal cables an hoses as some do aboot water bottle mounts. I will never EVER buy a bike or frame with internal routing again. (Stealth dropper omitted obvs)
  • 2 0
 Henry, one of my highlights for 2022 was the Bucket Boys podcasts.. Thanks!
  • 1 0
 Ha - thanks! Always loved those things!
  • 1 0
 Still using the old 9 speed crank with a 11 speed nw chainring,they are bomb proof and look amazing comparing to my xtr 11 speed crank
  • 1 2
 "I remember last year, and we had 175 mm cranks on some review bikes. It's just absolutely bizarre, and an anachronism of the sports road-cycling roots."

As someone, who has 89cm (conservatively) inseam, while being 183cm tall, I would have to install even higher bar than my 50mm deity, should I decide to go after shorter cranks than my current Shimano 175mm (bike size Large).
  • 2 0
 So…..simple proven drivetrains and brakes are good, but frames should be hard to work on???

Ummmm, yeah
  • 1 0
 Yellow bikes? Cause that's me with the new 153 DL Smile with 155 cranks to boot.
  • 2 1
 List working on bike AND headset routing. Seriously, it’s one or the other, these are bipolar
  • 2 0
 The V10 doesn’t have a 56 headtube, it’s 49.
  • 1 0
 i just want bike pants that make my butt look good. is that too much to ask?
  • 4 2
 Lmao e13 cranks being good
  • 1 0
 To saints not wander? Not here to hate. Just like the feel of my four pot XTs but the wander is crazy.
  • 3 1
 I'm keeping my 175mm cranks.
  • 3 2
 Me too. Can't stand short little cranks with no leverage. I've got 165's on my DH bike and even there they annoy me whenever I have to pedal up a little section or transfer.
  • 1 1
 My fat fingers snapped the yellow lever off the Topeak that adjusts it between the car valve and the skinny valve. Very annoying.
  • 2 0
 Queue Transition giving the Spire internal headset routing for next year
  • 1 0
 I bet Henry does it DIY first
  • 2 0
 Had to google Fred Dibnah.
  • 2 0
 Imagine the joy of discovering Fred Dibnah for the first time! - I hope you watched one of his brick-by-brick chimney demolition projects!
  • 2 0
 What's out there for short 160mm or less aluminum cranks? Canfield??
  • 2 0
 Also 5DEV
  • 1 0
 Profile racing
  • 1 0
  • 1 0
 The new sram x1000 goes down to 155, but is still kinda oem
  • 1 0
 Hope do 160 and 155
  • 1 0
 I'm glad there is a finally an advocate for all the short person-specific gear. /s
  • 2 1
 Why deal with cables at all? We already have wireless shifting and dropper. Let's go all in already.
  • 2 1
 Just don’t forget to charge the batteries on your brakes!
  • 1 0
 Surprised moustache culture wasn't on the list.

  • 2 0
 Henry's stuff is just always an absolute delight to read.
  • 2 4
 All this talk about crankarms made me think of a silly product idea. Guys, tell me if this already exists and how stupid it is: a crankset that only rotates forward or or has someway to lock the arms from rotating so you can use the rear pedal as a "platform" that can't rotate downward. Why? I don't know...something about "wider stance" and "fixed point of contact"...I can't be the only idiot to think of this.
  • 4 0
 "I can't be the only idiot to think of this."

You may need to rethink that statement.
  • 1 0
 I say Henry gets voted out first, out of the 3 so far I like Henry's the least. Oh wait this isn't pb academy!
  • 1 0
 I was hoping Henry would have said referring to Levy as a prat and Kaz as an anorak were among his favorite things.
  • 2 0
 I hate internal cables... despise them.
  • 1 0
 Henry, do you AoE II micro as well as you cable route? If so my Franks would like to have a chat.
  • 1 0
 @vsong Magnificent!
  • 1 0
 Need to get rid of the the stupid cranks altogether and just have a throttle
  • 2 0
 Internal routing? A favorite? Time for a new therapist.
  • 2 0
 Love your work, Henry. The links are a nice touch
  • 2 0
  • 2 0
 Just want to point out shorter cranks mean taller saddle height
  • 2 0
 Loving the Fred Dibnah - it all makes sense.
  • 1 0
 cranks 165mm cranks since 2011 when I realised their common existence in shimano line
  • 1 0
 Please put internal routing headsets on those SC V10s for next season while you wrench on them
  • 1 0
 The clothing thing is only a decade too late. Clothing has been really good from most brands for almost 10 years now.
  • 2 0
 After the Imagine Dragons/Flow Trail overlap chart, I love Henry Quinney!
  • 2 0
 The overlap chart managed to articulate something that is a very profound a pure emotion on my part. I really do fucking hate that shitpop wankfest inner-edge-of-the-outer-wing-of-mainstream. It's disingenuous garbage. Ed Sheeran, if you're reading this, you've got a date with an overlap of lightweight detachable chin guard helmet users next.
  • 2 0
Preach on brother Quinney! I’d pay money for a podcast of you going off on planet earth every week!
  • 2 0
 This article is a lie, there’s no way Henry loved 10 things in 2022.
  • 1 0
 At this point the only thing that should need routing is your rear brake line..
  • 1 0
 I can't help but read all of Henry's articles in his voice (in my head of course).
  • 1 0
 Total War: Warhammer III is calling you Henry!
  • 2 0
 Haha! I'm gonna finish off this ridiculously long dwarven campaign I've been chipping away at then I may well get it.
  • 1 0
 Great shot of those Rapha knee pads...
  • 1 1
 bro is going to have an angry mob at his house tomorrow. also 4300 for a frame just by a yt or some shit ffs
  • 1 0
 Henry have you lost yourself in Victoria 3 yet? Dwarf Fortress?
  • 8 11
 So Saint hasn’t changed in ten years and it’s good it hasnt changed for the sake of change. (It’s not. The clutches wear out in less than a season of park riding and the brakes have the same wandering bite point as everything else Shimano makes)

Headset cable routing is good because it’s change for the sake of change.

Props for defending your sponsors I guess.
  • 1 0
 "We get it. You dropped acid in Thailand - good for you." This is gold!
  • 1 0
 henry you would like dwarf fortress
  • 2 0
 Wait, he loves things?
  • 1 0
 Put some 155s on the spire and get that baby in the low setting.
  • 1 4
 Henry, I question whether I should give you a pass, but I can't. You are not an American, but the issue is not unknown to non-Americans. The reference you use sharing your opinion about the Saint group is wrong and I am sure you could do better.
  • 2 0
 I'm genuinely curious about this. What did I say that was so wrong?
  • 1 0
 we all know its not gonna be the grouprides. Wink
  • 1 0
 And to think I like Henry this morning...
  • 2 0
 April 1st, isn 't it?
  • 1 0
 #11 Creating shit storms on pink bike
  • 1 0
 summary of comments section, Fuck this guy!
  • 1 0
 I loved seeing the South Park appearance
  • 1 2
 The first item sure looks like an all-thread and differing sized washers... Just $175 more expensive
  • 1 0
 Those drifts sized perfectly to keep things nicely aligned sure make a different. You can absolutely do without them and use washers instead - but for those of us who are not seasoned enough to maintain that perfect alignment, a proper set of drifts is where the value in those bearing press kits lies, not the threaded rod or the handles. The quick engage/disengage feature on the Unior press is probably pretty neat - but not that big a deal for the home mechanic.
  • 6 6
 Short cranks yes; eThirteen cranks NO!
  • 4 5
 Short cranks: sure. E.13: hell yes.
  • 1 0
 Oh, Saint
  • 3 3
 Crank arm length, another overthought "problem".
  • 1 0
 Exactly. And at the same time loving carbon cranks- for DH,lol
  • 1 0
 Not riding buddies
  • 1 0
 Topeak pressure gauge
  • 1 0
 Sausage Dogs?
  • 1 0
 Matt who?
  • 3 3
 Sorry, but Henry is Wanker.
  • 2 0
 Yep, fair.
  • 1 0
 Henry is a riteous dude.
  • 1 1
 Well done Mr. Quinney.
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