Opinion: Group Rides Are the Worst

Nov 15, 2022 at 12:35
by Henry Quinney  
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What fresh hell is this?

I think my colleagues sometimes think of me as willfully and deliberately contrarian. While I wouldn't want to disagree with them and prove them forever correct, I don't think it's true. Similarly, I don't think I'm grumpy or negative. I am, however, British, and we do revelling in misery and bitterness better than anyone else and I'm not above leaning into that.

When I first started mountain biking I considered group riding to be the be-all-and-end-all, and it's something I carried through for many years. You simply have to enjoy it, right? Friends, nature, complicated coffee orders, and things taking five times as long as they should. Ah, perfect.

For some reason, I always felt like I was rejecting some part of mountain biking or not doing my bit, but the truth is that I genuinely hate group rides.

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I'm miserable and I like it.

Yes, I find faff frustrating and will admit to holding resentment against people who seem more about disrupting the continuity of a ride rather than encouraging the flow. I like to think I'm quite a relaxed, friendly person, but if you happen to be experimenting with finding the perfect saddle height for pedalling efficiency on a ride I will probably scratch you off the list of could-be regular riding friends.

A perfect ride for me is when your feet don't touch the ground. You feel a state of flow as your move through the landscape. Just a dot making its own small way across the enormity of earth. At the top of the run, at the very most, you maybe have a biscuit and piss (in whichever order you prefer) before hoping for the best and dropping in. And that's at a push. Ideally, eating can be done on the move. It's mountain biking and not a teddy bear's picnic for goodness' sake. That said, pissing on the move isn't necessitated, or indeed on cold rides potentially even possible.

No, don't change that tubeless tire in the car park. Yes, putting your jacket on and off every five minutes is annoying. No, I don't want to have a five-minute trip-down-memory-lane as we wait at the corner of every switchback. Yes, I do expect your bike to be in working order. No, I don't care who's faster than who. Yes, spending 20 minutes on a random turn to get the insta-click-wondershit photo of you is my very idea of hell.

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A muesli bar, and a last-minute decision before going to sleep are all you need when riding solo.

Over the past couple of years, I've mainly just ridden by myself. I once tried to get Mike Levy out for a ride but he told me he was halfway through a Married at First Sight box set and it was simply too riveting to pull himself away from. That said, it was probably a blessing in disguise, and saved Mike from excitedly informing me that Jason was a total dog but they made it work with their partner, that Kimberly got over her issues with trust to fully commit to her relationship with Brian, and that human-labradors-personified Tim and Mandy sadly headed to splitsville, with Mike looking at me with erstwhile sincerity and explaining that he felt reassured that they would remain close friends, just in case I was wondering.

Another time, an excited podcast listener said hello to both Kaz and I as we rode up the Diamondhead fire road, just outside of Squamish. What they didn't realize is that we bumped into each other in the car park in a mere coincidence. Naturally, Kaz being an out-of-towner, we did three laps of Pseudo before I let him do one lap of Angry M as a treat, assured him that was as far as my local's knowledge went, and then gave him a formal escort to the US border to eliminate the risk of him getting curious and exploring the trails that definitely don't exist.

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Kaz saw this photo and I told him it was on Psuedo, it just didn't look like it.

Timekeeping is a big thing and I love being on my own schedule. If you're late, I will never ride with you again. If you complain, also, you're gone. If you feel like you have something to prove, or we have to work to service your ego because mummy, daddy, Mrs. Doubtfire, or whoever it was that put the hard yards in for you, didn't tell you how special you were as a child then also, yes, you're gone. At that rate, I recommend therapy, and no amount of fist bumps, high fives or screaming "SEND IT" as you ride down Rupert is going to remedy the issue. Needless to say, influencers, aspiring or established, will never make the grade.

There are, of course, precious friends that I do ride with, and that list may well shrink should they ever read this, but the real ones know. I think there is a sweet spot in competency where you and your friends know that you don't have to worry about each other. Some of the best times I've had over the last few years have been riding with other people, whether it's old friends at Kicking Horse, making new ones in Morzine or sweating battery acid in Meribel; those times were special - but they were all the more special for me because they were few and far between, and a very different experience than my norm.

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  • 334 13
 I was just having this same discussion today. Group rides are my hell. When I'm on my bike, I just want to go ride and not worry about anything or anyone else.
  • 94 199
flag WayneParsons (Nov 16, 2022 at 12:39) (Below Threshold)
 In my experience, men can only deal with maybe 3 other riders in the group before it all goes to hell and the pecking order gets thrown out of whack. Women, on the other hand, can have 120 strong and everything works out.
  • 51 4
 @WayneParsons: Uh, no. Women have issues to. There is a reason my GF isn't interested in doing Ragnar Relays anymore with a group of women in a van!
  • 80 1
 @WayneParsons: You know some very different women than I do.
  • 31 2
 @JSTootell:

There was a women's group in Austin my wife tried to ride with. Complete shit show
  • 108 6
 @uncanny / @henryquinney - I agree with you both...nobody likes me either Frown

Be safe be well,
Incognito Robin
  • 161 5
 @notoutsideceo: I feel like a broken record here, but ONCE AGAIN the nudist population is being VERY under represented in this post. It is becoming a dismaying issue here on this website, and something I am very passionate about. My family and I have been going on group nude rides for decades, a tradition my grandfather started in 1997 and he is still leading the ride outs today. Lets not be rude to the nude! We can do better as a Pinkbike community. I expect to see some raw, unfiltered representation for ALL demographics soon. Thank you and good day. #staynudepb
  • 2 2
 @krka73: Clearly! lol
  • 5 3
 @WayneParsons: REALLY WAYNE?
  • 7 0
 @carlwheezer69: lol spat out my drink reading that
  • 7 2
 @ATXZJ: This sounds so "Karen"
  • 36 40
flag SvenNorske (Nov 16, 2022 at 14:14) (Below Threshold)
 I enjoy and need solo rides without a doubt, but when I choose to ride with others I don't complain, compare, or passive aggressively unload an article on how I cannot handle it. I simply enjoy the company of others and the diversity of ride quality it can offer. I get it though...hardcore [British] cyclist...so must...complain about...something.
  • 12 51
flag Tuna-Flapjack (Nov 16, 2022 at 14:19) (Below Threshold)
 @SvenNorske: your m*m likes Hardcore pedalling my vibrating #Ebike
  • 65 0
 "A perfect ride for me is when your feet don't touch the ground" Amen
  • 12 3
 @SvenNorske: amazing how you 'complained' about the article writer! 'Pot' and 'kettle.' nationality has nothing to do with it, as you clearly demonstrated. can't say i agree with the article either though, so we agree there. I always ride with the adage that we're only as fast as the slowest rider, not pandering to someone\s ego thinking we're spoiling their ability to show us what a superman they are blah blah blah. group rides are about friendship and having a. laugh, if they're not, then you're riding in the wrong group!
  • 2 1
 @Tuna-Flapjack: I don't think you understand the meaning of that meme
  • 12 0
 Does the like of group rides go up for night rides?
  • 2 0
 Presumably he just stops riding as a hobby if he finds himself doing any of the things he hates others doing on a ride
  • 2 0
 @rockyjonny: heck yeah, no stops. Just flicks of the switch.
  • 1 0
 Not the worst if you only ride park then they are the best
  • 17 0
 All of this resonates and I think Quinney and I would be best mates riding together, but I don't like riding with others.
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: the farts??
  • 15 0
 @WayneParsons: Nope. A ladies group ride my version of hell. I've been on a few and you couldn't pay me to do it again. Three other people is the maximum and even with that, there's always someone who ends up being a whiny boat anchor. I'd rather ride alone or with one other person I know and trust.
  • 12 0
 @fabwizard: I ride in the middle of the night, specifically so I won't see anyone, well, no one except for the animals that stalk me in hopes of eating me for dinner.
  • 9 0
 IME its really hard to find a group, or enough individuals within a group with similar skill sets, time constraints, and goals/taste in adventure to make keeping the group thing working for long??
  • 3 0
 @danger13: I had a deer paw the ground the other night and kinda huff at me . No warning before. Scared the poop outa me.
  • 1 0
 "Hell is the others", including on a bike.
  • 5 0
 @danger13: it's the same here in the English countryside.... Those rabbits have a mean streak a mile wide.
  • 9 0
 It just ends up being a competition for a lot of people. Who is the fittest, who has the best/latest bike. Also route moaning, people having to get back for a certain time etc, the list goes on.
  • 12 0
 Yes pretty much. There is also that fitness and skillset differential that always comes into play and can lead to all sorts of delays and even med evacs. Also, as you get older you have less time to spend riding so a quick decision to ride can easily be made if you're going solo. About 99% of my riding is solo and I love it.
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: I’m sure there’s many reasons Smile . And people pay to do that is mind blowing to me.
  • 2 1
 @Tuna-Flapjack: Wife said they were friendly but odd. They would go as fast as possible racing each other down the lame, basic green singletrack, and then go around or walk any tech or feature. She's not a racer by any means but is decent at tech etc.

They also only ride during the HOTTEST months in Austin and during the HOTTEST time of day. As soon as the weather turns nice, they stop. Makes no sense but I'd expect nothing less from these clowns.
  • 14 2
 It’s 10 min for everyone you invite.
And that’s before the riding starts.
After that it’s the guy with no tools that breaks something.
That’s why riding with dogs is so popular, they are always on time and don’t breakdown.
  • 1 0
 @Yaan: math checks out
  • 5 0
 @JSTootell: my wife is very picky about who she will ride with because the majority of women she’s ridden with want to talk nonstop on their rides.
  • 1 3
 @SvenNorske: Always entertaining reading someone's OPINION about an OPINION article...
  • 4 0
 Here in Kamloops, we have the Dirt Chix club, and they can over a hundred women on a group ride. I couldn't imagine riding with that many people, but I also don't enjoy group rides.
  • 2 1
 @WayneParsons: sounds very loud.
  • 4 0
 @danger13: The crepuscular vespers of the gloam are indeed watching....waiting. Don't stop, don't crash and never look behind you......
  • 1 0
 All hail the faff.
  • 1 0
 @danger13: dude, you and I need to hang-out. I do they same and it used to be so I could ride with my dog and not get Karens up my ass. But sadly my dog has gotten too old and arthritic.

Night rides rock
  • 3 0
 The worst is when you plan a ride with 1 friend and he invites four more without you knowing.
  • 1 0
 @tullie: Unfriend!
  • 1 3
 to all of the GUYS complaining about their wifes not liking women's group rides - I am sorry for you, those ladies are probably a pain in the ass in all of the other aspects of life. RIP @JSTootell @ATXZJ
  • 4 0
 @valrock: What about all the guys above saying they don't like group rides with the Bros, do you feel sorry for their wives??????
  • 2 1
 @valrock: what???? Please explain.
  • 2 0
 @tullie: I invited another rider on a ride but forgot to tell him it was a road ride so we ended up waiting whole road ride for guy on specialized enduro and full face helmet. Lol
  • 1 0
 @valrock: What planet are you on? I never complained about my girlfriend. She's pretty damn awesome.
  • 2 0
 @JSTootell: he was insinuating that all these women who can't get along on group rides are likely hard to get along with at home.

Which is why I pointed out that just as many guys said they hated group rides and we should feel sorry for their wives.
  • 321 30
 Eh i get the point but group rides are just that. A ride with a group of friends. If you hate riding with people and the consequences of what that entails then maybe you just don’t have friends that are worth riding with. If my buddy needs to adjust his saddle 5 times I’m all for it. I want him to be comfortable and maybe he’s got a sweet new bike he was excited to show me. It’s a give and take. Sometimes it’s not about the ride, it’s about the socializing. If you aren’t that kind of person then oh well no group rides for you! I can’t imagine riding for hours and not stopping and bullshitting about life or dealing With mechanicals. Also no complaining?! This whole article was a complaint ha.
  • 32 2
 This is exactly how I feel about it, I usually am able to get at least one buddy out for a ride but every once in a while, when the stars align, and you can get everyone on a bike park day or something its honestly the best. My wife rides at the same level as me and that helps alot being able to have someone to ride with and sometimes its nice to ride with just her as we aren't waiting for people or picking a trail to ride that maybe someone else doesn't enjoy as much. Most of my friends I really only see when we ride together and then go to a brewery for lunch or something after we bullshit and talk during the ride and catch up and then have fun, I would think everyone that doesn't like group rides also doesn't like hanging out with others in general which is fine. Of course referring to group rides with your friends not like a big group ride with strangers or something from a facebook group those sound terrible.
  • 26 0
 Its funny as my wife and I were just talking about this concept that 'friends are inconvenient', but thats the whole point! I see group rides like this...are they more work to organize and do than just smashing on the pedals by yourself on your agenda...of course...but the point of group rides IS the 'inconvenience'.

Henry just mad @mikelevy won't ride with him?
  • 66 5
 On top of all that...if you ride alone, who brings the:
Snacks
Pumps
Tubes
Multitool
More Snacks
Ridiculously expensive camera phones that you would never buy

If I ride alone, I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶m̶o̶o̶c̶h̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶e̶l̶s̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶g̶r̶o̶u̶p̶ I have to bring all that stuff myself!
  • 2 16
flag HankDamage (Nov 16, 2022 at 13:58) (Below Threshold)
 While I don't like the guy who wrote the article I don't like you any more. If you can't agree with this opinion ... you have a time machine.

Do you wanna be my friend?
  • 13 0
 Yeah for me I love group rides, cause at least with my friends, we chill and talk on the way up and just shred all the way down. If I'm training I'll usually ride alone and race strava or with a couple of people who I know are faster and try and keep up. But group rides are just so much fun, it's hard to not have fun on a group ride. I get that there is that one guy who never brings anything and his bike is never functioning, but it doesn't really matter that much to me, it's still big fun to be out with your friends having a good time on your bike.
  • 4 0
 @JulioValeinte: all that stuff easily fits in my bum bag, so nae bother
  • 1 0
 wha he said.
  • 3 0
 @JulioValeinte: my dyslexic mind combined pumps and tubes and I read 'pubes'
  • 13 0
 @Aem221: I consider myself pretty social and love hanging out with others. But group rides, in the sense that there’s 6 to 20 plus, people cruising on a trail is a no go for me. Like the author says it tends to kill the flow of the ride, and not just for yourself but for other folks on the trail that aren’t part of the group. My exception to the last bit is when a group of NICA riders roll through, always enjoy seeing that.

I ride solo 80% of the time, with 1 or 2 buddies tops the rest of the time. But I’m all about shooting the shit with a bunch of riders at the bar or post ride beers at the trailhead.
  • 11 1
 @mmarkey21: I cannot upvote this enough. Large group rides may be fun for the participants, but they annoy every other trail user they encounter.

On already busy trail systems, pissing off hikers with big obnoxious groups is a recipe for access issues.
  • 1 0
 @JulioValeinte: Snacks and Tubes lol... couldn't agree more!
  • 4 0
 I think what Henry means is:
I want to ride alone, and it's definitely always other people's fault.
  • 3 1
 Yeah, I'm kinda the opposite of the author in terms of speed. I usually ride only with my sister because she's a beginner and only because she is so slow I can enjoy my various breaks to chill and enjoy nature. Most men in particular are way to focused on doing as many laps as possible and basically ignore nature.
  • 1 0
 You sound like a very friendly person. For most of us, making everyone around you wait for you is a great way to make most groups hate you. There's a limit.
  • 2 0
 Best part of riding consistently with friends is when someone has a mechanical or needs to do all their adjustments, we help them out and then bust their chops for the rest of the ride.
  • 4 0
 @Arepiscopo: Totally, also with a regular crew you can laugh when they crash before asking if they are ok.
  • 1 0
 @mmarkey21: Good point, 3-4 seems to be the magic number for group rides come to thing of it… anything bigger and it starts to feel like a work convention.
  • 3 5
 @uponcripplecreek:
The writer clearly doesn’t know what real friendship is and decent people would be smart to steer clear of his instrumental use of people to mirror his exact values to reinforce his self image. What does he give to a group? Sounds like he just takes. What a Bellend. What a dick.
  • 1 0
 @JulioValeinte: even on a group ride, pack your own shit. Don’t make other people play Sherpa for you
  • 155 0
 I like group rides*.

I also like solo rides.

::shrug::
  • 118 0
 Same. Most of my rides are solo or with one or two friends, but it is fun to get a big crew out for a silly adventure once in a while.
  • 5 1
 100% and same as Mike I also really enjoy riding with 1 or 2 friends. All rides are beautiful ! I think Henry isn't very #ridetypepositive how bad of him lol
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flag HankDamage (Nov 16, 2022 at 13:49) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: Clearly the both of you have not the slightest incling of what you are talking about.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: I think the Once In A While is the key here. At most. 4 of those a year is a good ratio I think, personally anyway.
  • 2 0
 Agree. My happy spot is riding with a select group of people. That group is around 20 possible people and I like riding in a group of 6 people max. That said my son is one of my favorite riding partners, any time any trail I am excited to ride with him. It helps that he climbs a little faster than me and I generally descend a little better than him. This is a common thread for that whole group of 20 people. The issue is his friends and their parents are a total crap shoot. Half are in the 20 and the other half have amazing abilities to ruin what would otherwise be an awesome ride.
  • 12 4
 I agree with both statements. As long as there’s no trail dogs, I’m keen.
  • 1 0
 Totally agree. I enjoy both. Solo for headspace. Small groups to be social. Zambia

There's also something to be enjoyed in the inevitably of someone doing something stupid/funny/amazing on big group rides.
  • 76 0
 Agree. I treat bike riding like I treat drinking. Early in the AM before work, alone. The only way it's enjoyable.
  • 1 0
 LOL, comment of the day!
  • 54 2
 Sorry I was late, internal cable routing turned a 3 minute job into a half hour job.
  • 13 0
 Half hour... not bad. Most of the time is half day job. And still doesn't work properly
  • 31 0
 Hey everyone, I'll be ready in a minute. The headset is back together; I just have to bleed my brakes now.
  • 52 6
 Group rides, for any/all of their faults, are at least a safe way to ride in the woods. I can't count the number of times I've been on a group ride where one of my fellow riders has been injured and has required help from another rider in the group. Safety in numbers for sure.
  • 16 1
 I have the Home Fall Alert system for that. "Help! I've fallen and I can't get up because my bike tipped over the wrong way and I can't unclip my foot!"
  • 2 1
 @scott-townes: LOL - I remember those adverts from back in the day! Funny but not (but lets be honest, funny)
  • 35 1
 True - but peer pressure to ride faster / bigger is a thing in a group...when I am solo I ride differently and take WAY less risks...
  • 7 0
 Good point. If the ride is spicy enough/remote enough I like to have a minimum group size of 3 before trying anything high risk. I like to cap my group rides at 5 people though because I start noticing more delays as groups grow beyond that size. Hell, even 5 people has way more delays than 3 people but it tends to fall within a tolerable amount for me.
  • 26 0
 @DKlassen8: it seems like a pretty accepted thing in backcountry skiing that groups bigger than ~4 people start to have much more complicated group dynamics (compromised risk management, more time making decisions) and move a lot slower. I think the same rule holds true for lots of activities, even if the risks are way less severe.

I love the occasional ride with 1-2 people, especially if they have their shit together and can hold a similar pace. But doing basically anything in a group of 6+ people gets super irritating IMO, whether it's ski touring, mtb, or taking the kids to the zoo. Beyond a handful of people you kinda need a group leader (like a guide) to keep things working smoothly.
  • 20 0
 @scott-townes: The secret is that, when you do crash and get injured and an alert goes out, make sure muster your strength and drag you and your bike over to gnarlier feature so that that the emergency services aren't disappointed that you somehow managed to mess yourself up on the easy table tops...again!
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 @scott-townes:

"Help! I've fallen 60m down a yucca-lined, buzzworm-infested rock chute, and I'm still clipped in, and I can't get up!"
  • 1 0
 @RadBartTaylor: Peer pressure and even just excitement and being off centre. You can really end up doing dumb things just because you're not in the right head space because of the social dynamic.
  • 1 0
 @SvenNorske: 4 seems to be the most I can handle, as long as the other 3 keep their bikes well maintained, and if they do have a mechanical issue they are reasonably well prepared to fix it themselves…and if they aren’t able to fix it themselves then they need to have the type of personality to allow someone else to fix it for them (so 3 people aren’t waiting for an inept moron to take forever to fix a flat….)
  • 47 0
 I like no more than 4 people including myself. Stealth rides with similar fitness levels are the best. Safety breaks are a must too.
  • 42 1
 Group rides are a lot like group sexx, looks good on camera but too complicated in real life
  • 3 1
 Do tell!
  • 1 0
 Wait are we still talking about headset cable routing?
  • 38 0
 I hate group rides. I don't like other people hearing me making excuses to myself while I'm climbing.
  • 21 0
 The trick is to get behind the one person worse at climbing than you and then act like you were totally going to make it but are intentionally stopping as they didn't and are now blocking the trail.
  • 3 0
 For the few group rides I get in on (road or mountain), I know for a fact I'm the slow guy. That's a big deal for me, but that's my own issue. My good riding friends on mountain have never given me a hard time about it even though I would be the bane of the entire PB staff ride's existence. On the road, it's become understood that I'll just time trial back to the shop after I get dropped. I guess the takeaway is that it's give and take for everyone involved, and you don't have to ride in an environment you don't enjoy.
  • 1 0
 @iammarkstewart: Same here, I don't totally drag, but climbs suck for me. But I think I redeem myself in the tech and downhill. I can't thank the guys I ride with enough for waiting up at the few rest points, good sports. And I let them know I don't care if I'm dropped.
  • 38 0
 "If you're late, I will never ride with you again."

[Matt Beer has left the chat]
  • 54 0
 Ha, at least he's so fast that even if you have a 30 minute head start he'll still catch up.
  • 3 2
 He's a product of where he's from. It's the norm
  • 2 0
 With that attitude he will @mikekazimer:
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: He's the slowest fastest guy I know.
  • 3 0
 @cooperquinn-wy Remember that time I picked you up on route because your pedal-power wouldn’t get you there in time? Ha! It was a valiant effort on your part.
  • 3 1
 @mattbeer: You're aware I just tell you the ride starts 30 minutes before it actually does, right?
  • 35 1
 The more Henry I read, the more I can relate to Henry.
  • 31 0
 Preach it, you magnificent grumpy bastard
  • 25 0
 If I only did group rides, I’d probably lose interest in mountain biking. I get plenty of solo rides to feed my soul, though. I’ve learned to treat group rides primarily as social events with some riding sprinkled in.
  • 21 2
 So much this. Also, large groups are a nuisance to everyone nearby. Doesn't even matter if they all have good etiquette and working bikes. If you're rolling more than 4 or 5 deep there's a good chance everyone you see on the trail is secretly wishing you'd all just go home.

Only time I actually want someone with me is on a night ride for the sake of safety/being able to help each other out if something goes wrong and there's no signal to call anyone.
  • 1 2
 This.

Not to mention potential access issues that can arise if the situation with other user groups is already tense. I actually enjoy the occasional group ride, but I refrain because they’re obnoxious to everyone around them.
  • 1 0
 I wish the roadies around me would have this thought. Several times a weekend I'm out in my garden or garage and hear a huge cacophony. It literally sounds like a fight is kicking off down the street, and always turns out to be a group of old blokes in lycra, shouting at each other so as to be heard. Extremely selfish and inconsiderate.
  • 16 1
 I think some of how you feel about group rides may be age dependent. When I was younger and had more time I was more keen on riding by myself. My own pace, my own trail choices, my own timing. As I've grown older and life has gotten busier with kids, an increasingly demanding job and much less free time and chances to hang out with friends I find I enjoy group rides much more. Unfortunately as we age, particularly in men, time spent with friends outside the family decreases and social isolation increases. I love going on group rides now so I can spend some quality time with the boys and catch up on social interactions that I am having less and less of on a day to to day basis. Depending on the week, the group ride maybe the only in person social interaction I have outside of work and family. I am here for it even if its slower or riding a trail I wouldn't pick if I were by myself.
  • 15 0
 Actually, as I get older I have less tolerance for group rides. After years of being a cheerleader and prime organizer, I just get fed up with flakey people. I had what I thought was a good riding buddy, we were riding together every week, then after a year he started flaking, and now he's ghosted me. Effing people, bring em into your inner circle, then they steal the cake and eat it too!
  • 6 1
 @sanchofula: same, now that I have kids and free time is way more precious, I'm just not interested in spending any of that time organizing people, waiting for them, etc.
  • 14 0
 My evolution with age has been the opposite. I have three kids — none of which can use the toilet without help — and a busy job. The last thing in this world I have patience for is dawdling with a group of riders that don’t know how to adjust the cable tension on their own dropper. When I was younger and had nothing going on, sure I’d kill time with the guys riding. That time is too precious now. I aim for 5-10 hours a week on the bike. That typically means riding alone a lot and getting started very early in the morning. I’m sure in a different set of circumstances I could still enjoy social rides, but during this chapter of life I have to pick between the social and the ride.
  • 2 0
 Ding! Group rides are like 60/40 ride/socialize.

I've lived within minutes of trails (seconds in my current house) for a long time, so solo rides have always been an easy, and frequent option. But I would never intentionally make that my only option just because I think I do biking better than everyone else.

Group rides are great _because_ they don't always go as smooth as a solo ride. But they do always make me better. As a rider and/or as a social being. If it's a fast no-dab ride, it'll be the fastest no-dab ride because the group pushes each other. If it's a faffy sketchy slow ride, it makes me a better person via practicing fun-despite-the-faff, because I'm f*cking riding bikes and that shit is awesome!
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 @justinfoil: shake that laughy faffy
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 My appreciation for Henry went up about 400%.
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 You are the master of the solo ride…
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 @caboose: lol ok true, and HQ gives lots of the reasons why.
He’s also on point about those select rides with buds that are special and stay in the memory banks!
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 @g123:

He is pretty on point for the select few to keep on riding with. The few are gold, more so on park days…
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 I like this article. a few thoughts:
- My time is limited. Most weekday MTB or road rides are solo
- I'm comfortable with group rides (max 3 others) having stops and chats. Just go in with the concept that its a catchup with a bit of riding
- I will do weekend group rides starting early (5:45AM). But I know already who will join and who wont: Friends with young children = "sure, no problem!" vs Friends with no/adult kids = "What? no way! too early!!!"
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 Are you me?
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 @no-good-ideas: The life of the time poor MTB parent is a path many tread...
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 @dave119: bike park days are more fun once they are about 10. Then you can't keep up when they are 13.
  • 14 1
 Am at a point in my last life my 45mins is a massive amount of the time I can afford to spend biking in a week and I refuse to spend it in a car park while people are late and are consulting everyman and his dog on thier suspension settings.
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 I love this guy!! The Imagine Dragons analogy, and now this..!?
You’re the man, you’ve always got a friend here.
Hey PB, let’s make Quinney’s Op-Ed’s a regular thing.
Quinney’s Corner..?
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 I have so few good friends, why would I want to jeopardize these friendships by riding with them..
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 @Untgrad: true! I have a good old friend who also rides bikes. I would love to ride with him, but our ideas of how a good ride should look like differ so much that we rather don't.
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 @Muckal:
“Old” might be the operative word here..
Back in the day, my friends were all motorbike racers, and we had one directive- beat the other guy! Seriously competitive, sometimes pro level speeds, and anyone who stepped up knew they’d have to keep up.
Some of those guys are still pushing it, some are still riding, but most aren’t.
A reunion ride for old time sake? No thanks.
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 complaining, jail.

late jail.

stop for airing down tires? right to jail.

servicing your ego, believe it or not, jail.
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 We have the best riding in the world, because of jail
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 This had me rolling
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 Wow , lots of people take their rides way too seriously , I ride alone , I ride with ex pros , I ride with people who just got their first full suspension bike, I ride mostly with my kids , and their friends . Sometimes a ride is 10km and 3 hours long with lots of breaks and chitchat , sometimes balls to the wall the whole time , it’s always fun , that’s all I care about
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 Dude has a 14 chapter list of rules for group rides. My rules are simple: ride bike, have fun, try not to die. If thats solo, with 100 people..*shrug*
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 You guys need to ride with Teens more.... You'll soon find out that your group rides with adults are an actual dream.

All the teens do is babble on about Insta rad sick things while climbing like goats, barely breathing, then eat everything in sight at the cafe leaving you to pay for it.... Then, as a final insult, after 2 corners on the way down the trail, they're out of sight and gone.... When you reach the bottom they say things like "Did you crash...."... No... "oh, why did it take so long then ? Do we have any more Haribo"

Adults... easy.... Teens... Not so easy Big Grin
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 If you have a tight schedule, solo rides trump all. Riding with family / friends and/or folks in your skill bracket is also hugely important. Some things to appreciate about group rides:
+ Conversation on climbs
+ Constructive feedback and encouragement
+ Help in case of emergencies / slowest rider gets eaten by wildlife
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 My policy:

We ride together, I won't leave you behind with a mechanical and I'd ask the same from you. But if either of us wants to ride away from the other - that's cool too. We'll see each other at least before and after and that's usually enough.
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 Best riding partner, a dog. Second best, a small group of friends who push, but don't judge, bring beer, and just all around make it a better time.

PS - I go into a "group ride" with the mentality it will suck, and let it surprise if it's not horrible.
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 Ugh! I was just going to say that people bringing dogs to group rides is one my pet peeves. Nothing annoys me more than trying to guess where and when a mutt is going to jump in front of me.
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 @Fill-Freakin: Fair point, totally understand where you're coming from on that one. I don't bring her unless everyone is ok with it and my most of riding buddies have known her since I got her (she's also really good about staying out of the way) but you're def right, it's not for everyone!

She does make it so it's never a solo ride though!
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 Lets be honest, anything you do with other people will cramp your style, which is a problem for folks who like to do it their way; yes, I'm talking to your ADHD, OCD, control freaks, and the grumpy old men.

I ride alone, with nobody else.
  • 8 0
 You know when I ride alone, I prefer to be by myself
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 @gnarnaimo: just me and my good buddy weiser.
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 "If you complain, gone..."

This entire article was complaining lol. But in your defense, it wasn't while riding a bike.
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 sometimes, we project our own bullshit onto others without realizing it....
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 Henry Quinney: Why we shouldn’t let Pinkbike commenters write articles.
  • 7 0
 My heck is being inundated with other peoples gigantic group rides. Here in SC I almost don't even want to ride on the weekend anymore its gotten so bad in the last two years. One climbing trail in particular is so bad you can pass 20 slow people and still not hit a spot in the trail that has any breathing room. Nobody, I mean nobody, should organize 30 of their buddies and go clog up the trails. Go organize a soccer game or something folks.
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 MTB is a solo sport. Occasionally done adjacent to 1 or 2 friends, max.
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 I feel you, but group rides don't intrinsically have to include all those things you mention not liking about them. At least in some other parts of the world group rides can and usually are actually about the ride.
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 Yeah, group rides, shuttles, and excursions here in Italy are usually sick- good vibes on the trails and everyone seems to ride as hard and as long as possible with their skills and fitness. Other than ebikes have practically taken over so now I ride alone when uphill is involved.
  • 7 0
 Group rides are better in different environments. I would much rather have a group ride at a bike park rather than a group ride doing XC. Enduro I could lean either way depending on the company.
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 I ride alone 99% of the time. I have friends that are on the pro fritzing team. What should I wear? Do I need pads? I’m gonna carry pads and put them on and off 14 times. But I also volunteer guide on a local Monday Night Ride. It is expected that we will be doing stop and go and that some people show up on crap bikes that work badly. But that’s OK. It’s not "my ride" but the group’s ride. But other than that I have no patience for messing around.

I formed a club though a few years go. The introverts cycling club. We all ride alone and afterwards don’t get together to discuss the ride. All my jerseys are club jerseys too. I always have the best beer too.

I know many people that don’t ride alone ever. Not for safety reasons but because they need that companionship all the time. They don’t seem to do anything alone. That’s OK too. We’re not all like that.
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 The putting pads on and off 14 times... worse than someone with no dropper or even quick release seat collar!
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 My dad is an introvert who doesn't keep up with the tech and wouldn't be caught dead on a pinkbike thread. I'll just say I appreciated him going slow, fixing things, and applying the occasional bandage while he helped me get into the sport. Taking advantage of a group is one thing, but I do feel like serving others - especially new riders - and passing that down is good.
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 You know you are in trouble when you are the only one who rode to the trailhead. A perfect ride for me is when your feet don't touch the ground. - THIS!!!
  • 7 0
 I absolutely love group rides. For me, biking is about having fun with friends in the woods. Some people take it way too seriously.
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 we are looking at you @henryquinney
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 Most of my rides are solo, but the best experience in life are always are when you are sharing it with other people. Social interaction is the basis of human existence, this article seems in denial of some basic life facts. As much as people can suck, they are also your fellow beings and we are dependent upon them. I built a hidden trail and told nobody about it, I thought it would be cool to have my own private trail that couldn't be compromised or changed by other people. It was cool but eventually I realized that without anybody to share it with there was not much reward, interest, or potential. Made me realize we need other people's validation sometimes and it's more fun to share things even if there are more problems. There's no such thing as true happiness, just happy moments. They are better when you share them.
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 You can't shuttle without the homies. You can't get to beyond your best without riding with better riders. You can't carry yourself off the hill. Riding alone at times is nessasary, but far inferior to with the homies, if progression is what is desired.
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 During COVID lockdown, I switched to flats and started working exclusively on technique. I spent most of my time on double blacks sessioning new lines. When group riding resumed, I just wasn't feeling it anymore. I'd rather go work on new features and not deal with distractions. Progress is addictive.
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 "I am, however, British, and we do revelling in misery and bitterness better than anyone else and I'm not above leaning into that."

Not to get all competitive and such - but as a native German, I'd just point out that there might be at least one other nationality that might have something to contribute in that regard...

Group rides can be a great way to have social time with people, if that's what you're looking for. And they can be hell if all you want to do is ride. There's a spectrum there, and none of it is right or wrong, it's just a matter of everybody going into it with clear expectations. And like any group activity, the overhead/faff factor goes up with group size - another spectrum, and one that needs to be understood to make it work for yourself (and others - because just as you might hate what you think of as the waffling and futzing of the group, they might hate what they see as your impatience and rudeness).
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 Heaven knows Henry is miserable now, but stop me if you think that you've heard this one before.
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 Solo rides are great for workouts and dialing in whatever you want dialed. Group rides are for hanging with your buds and progression. Both are good, but group rides end with high fives, beers and great stories.
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 My solo rides end with high, and 5 beers. No stories needed. Smile
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 Think Henry missed this one, but anybody who uses the words "exercise" or "workout" in relation to mountain biking is immediately scratched off my list of people I'll ride with. "Training" is iffy and it depends on the individual.
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 @dancingwithmyself: strava? Never met her.
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 I do a weekly group ride and we all have the same interest, ride the gnarly stuff as fast as possible. We have maybe two or three pauses in 20 miles or so, at the tops and to let some of the slower folk catch up when we finish a loop or long downhill segment. It's the best time on a bike when everyone's hauling ass and having fun. Solo rides are great too.
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 My group rides consist of my wife, 11 y.o, and 9 y.o. I'm in charge of all bike maintenance and repairs, so that simplifies things a lot. Wife is in charge of all nutrition. Kids are in charge of learning new skills. With this philosophy, we've been able to ride for 3 hours+ at any point in time, at a faster pace than some of the more experienced riders I've ridden with and with less complaining.
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 I do enjoy the solo rides, but when you get a bunch of buddies out on an epic ride, nothing tops it. The comradery, the helping each other master tricky sections, the hoots and hollers, and of course the beers afterwards to relive the ride. So freakin fun!!
  • 5 0
 Petition to change HQ's name to Hot Take Henry. He's my favorite PB contributor by far. Just hanging his opinion out and absolutely taking the piss on anyone who takes it personally for whatever reason lol.
  • 4 0
 Group rides are great... Individual rides are great... Group trail building is great... Individual trail building is great... Bike and shovels are.... Great. Each one when you feel like it though. Just get stoked on bikes and building.... My religion.
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 I wish it were a religion. I would love to have a net positive tax bracket Smile
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 This is exactly why I love group rides. It wouldn't be the same without all the time wasting, bullshitting, mechnicals and laughs with your friends (even if that includes insulting them as they take an hour to get ready in a rainy car park). Its like your own top gear special!
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 One thing i will say, is that when riding with other people, it kinda can't be helped but to actually talk to them. I know this is normal, but all the time talking is time missed being in the moment. That's the best part of solo rides is that every moment can be well absorbed and enjoyed. Especially after a few hours of climbing ones mind is refreshed and truly ready for the descent that lays ahead.
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 My absolute biggest pet peeve is people not being prepared. Bring your own tube and/ or tubeless plugs and know how to use them. I don’t want to bail you out. I have multiple friends that I love as people but absolutely hate riding with because they know how to care for themselves on the trail.
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 Group rides are safety in numbers for older riders like myself. At 60, things don't always go so well if you crash and having at least one other person available to tuck your guts back in and get assistance if it's really bad is a smart thing in my book. I've been riding MTB since 1987 in the same area and a lot of the same trail networks, so I'm mindful of what I can/can't do anymore ~ that said ~ the security of not being alone if something occurs can't be overstated.
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 I think I prefer either big groups or solo…. I think it’s just the introvert in me. In a large group, I’m just kinda tagging along. There’s zero pressure to be sociable, because there’s other people for that. I’m just joining in for the adventure, and whatever happens, happens. A big group ride like this isn’t common for me, so I’m ok if it’s not the perfect ride. That’s exactly what I expect going in.

If it’s just me and another one or two riders… I feel more pressure to be more sociable, otherwise, why get together(?). I guess that’s just how it is when you really don’t know the people you ride with, outside of riding bikes. In this case, I’d almost rather ride solo.
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 On some level, this is super validating and I agree -but for rides with people who aren't really "friends." If these people are truly your friends, their idiosyncrasies on rides are endearing and entertaining. If you've relocated for work or have isolated yourself enough as an adult that you no longer have any real friends, this certainly applies.
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 I can't remember how often I have assured people not to worry about them holding me back just because I had to wait for them a couple of times. I'll gladly wait for good company. Yet somehow people still worry. Maybe they have ridden with too many Henrys in the past. Well, thanks. :/
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 Group rides are different, but having a social life based around being active and not solely on drinking, church or having children the same age is pretty great as an adult. I think of myself as a mountain biker, I enjoy other things but not as much of my focus goes into it. To have friendships based on and around something I love is great. Most of my rides are solo, but I love sharing it with someone else too. I’m definitely my happiest on a bike in the woods.
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 When I started mountain biking, I used to ride with a group of experienced guys, hoping to learn something faster. Big mistake. It was all dick swinging and endurbro and bragging about their placement in local shitty races. Ditched them, rode solo for several years. Fast forward, I found a bunch of laid back guys, we have a whatsapp group and whoever is free fot that day, shows at the parking lot. Waaay more relaxed and fun, and some of them are scary fast.
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 Def on Team Henry. Living in a remote area where trails aren't crowded, solo is the MO and groups are disproportionately loud & clownish in an otherwise quiet wild area… its like going to yr great aunts tea party: pass.

Best group ride ever: 2-3 buddies on the lift w/ a plan to destroy whatever trail is next & then shit-talk in the line, on the lift and after riding. Everyone shreds, talk like hens between.

It doesn't matter whether we agree, disagree, or partly agree w/ Henry or each other, do what makes ya happy - Mofo is funny as hell and articles like this are pure PB magazine-in-hand SOLID GOLD
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 One thing that is super clear all the those who are too fast, too organized, too skilled, too busy to want to ride socially ... please stop coming to group rides and being a pain for those that actually enjoy and are capable of friendly social interaction!.
  • 7 0
 Urgh... people
  • 5 0
 Duo is good enough for me, both similar skill level and buddies, can’t beat it
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 Grrr.... old man Henry hates shit!! Git em! Group rides, no thanks, but riding with 1-2 buddies so I slightly reduce my chance of being a mt lion snack, yes.
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 All depends on who's in the group obviously. I have a tight circle I can ride anywhere, anytime with, no problems, and do frequently. With other people it's a cluster-f*ck guaranteed, I avoid that and those people like the plague.

There's also different types of rides, with different expectations. I know who I can ride with chill, I know who to ride with when I want a hammer-fest.

That being said, not sure I've ever been in any group larger than 5 total where it was a good thing. There's definitely an upper limit to a good thing.
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 For a group ride, I care less about technical skills, and more about fitness, because waiting on a downhill run will be at most a few minutes, whereas waiting on an uphill climb could be 10+ minutes, and that's where the time's spent.

But if you're wanting to progress your technical skills, riding with a true wizard really opens your eyes to what speed can look like. I've been left in shock and awe a few times.

I've solo ridden for years and years until I recently hooked up with a group of guys. It's way more fun to shoot the shit, but I prefer my own pace and choosing to session whatever I want, whenever I want. 50% group rides 50% solo rides, I like the mix.
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 I think more than 5 is too many for a fast ride, unless it's on roadbikes. the skill gap between the fastest and slowest rider gets increasing bigger as group size increases. It's a little higher number for road rides because the terrain/skill isn't as much of a factor as it is w/MTBing and you can draft if your skilled but not fit. No such luck on a MTB ride.
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 Flip-flops??

When I went to Bentonville earlier this year we went to the trailheads together but broke off into solo or 2-person rides based on what trails we wanted to ride. I found that to be ideal.

And I hate the one guy on the group ride that always has some overly dramatic mechanical. Like, "Bro, my dropper cable is totally stretched out!!! This is just like 1998!"
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 Organized MTB group rides skew towards beginning riders. Most of us end up just riding with a few people we like on the dirt. Then again, just about nobody makes a living at this. If the social element is what you’re after-enjoy your weekly mellow social spin.

A hard, take-no-prisoners road ride can be pretty great though.
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 There is a balance. Group rides are fun but anything more than 4-5 people gets annoying because folks take longer, people sit and chat etc etc. Hanging out with some friends and riding is great but FUCK those 15 people rides where 10 of them show up unannounced because someone put the word out without letting anyone else know it was happening.
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 I mostly ride alone. Group rides are hard if you're a racer and your friends aren't. I'll go up climbs at a pace lower than my recovery rides, with my HR not even hitting 115 and I still end up waiting at the top. It's just hard to do if you're training, because every ride generally has a goal. Even if you have an open day ride, you generally want to hit it hard, not go as slow as you possibly can without falling over just so you're friends can keep up. Once in a while I can squeeze in rides with guys from work or friends, but I might do some intervals up a steep hill while I'm waiting for them to catch up so I'm not just wasting time standing around waiting. It's hard to ride slow on downhills too. It just feels sort of awkward like you're reflexes aren't attuned for it. I feel more like I'm going to fall when I'm purposely riding slow to not lose friends than when I'm pinning it. I did have some killer group rides with some locals in GJ. Guys were on rigid singlespeeds hitting lines people think are only possible on an enduro bike. I could go at a fun pace up the climbs and learn new lines on the downhills. Followed by BBQ and beers in the Lunch Loops parking lot. I guess there are always exceptions.
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 I deal with people and human behavior all week at work. Riding solo is my salvation. However, following one person faster than me or helping a beginner are also nice options. Any group becomes about the group rather than the ride.
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 My main riding bud lives a few states away. He makes his way with family quite a bit. So chasing him up hills is quite nice. I agree, I love taking a new rider out.
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 Yaaaaa I dont give a shit how my ride goes. I am just grateful I can ride. My knickers are permanently untwisted. Unless I flat at the top of Garbanzo lift.
  • 2 0
 If I want to flow, and don't want my feet to touch the ground, I ride solo. It's pretty simple. If you're riding with friends, expect to stop, chat, whatever. By Henry's standard, some of the best mountain bikers in the world would be annoying for him to ride with.
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 When I moved to my town I went on a club group ride (they have a treasurer, etc etc. I broke a taboo- I went back up a descent for another go whilst we were waiting for a long line of people to eventually catch up.

I was taken aside and given a dressing down down. I thought i was in some surreal universe looking at the fella. Never, ever again.
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 Fukn weirdo
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 Myself and one or two mates is my ideal number. I can tolerate a fourth person if we're very like-minded. Solo rides are great too. I've found that as group numbers increase, so do the chances of mechanicals, injuries, character incompatibilities etc.
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 I like small group rides (4 people or less) because:
1) Easier to carpool together. Definitely important with current gas prices.
2) I'll have around someone who can tow me into a feature or jump.
3) If I forget something, like a multi-tool or whatever, someone will usually have one.
4) Safety. In case of an injury and also helps keep dangerous wildlife away.
  • 2 0
 It took me awhile, however politely turning down a group ride is better than inflicting ones bad habits on other leaving them resentful. Its not in my nature to be mysterious but I can't talk about it and I can't talk about why.
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 Different rides for different occasions. I ride solo often. I can maximize the limited time I have riding trails in my backyard after work and get into my own headspace with earbuds and some good music. I also love group rides on challenging terrain with people that are less experienced and people that are more experienced than I. There is safety in the group and stoke watching others progress and following lines and hitting features that I might not try of not for being towed in. Each ride serves it purpose and each has its own objective and values.
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 Just last sunday I rode solo and did one lap (it's a small hill) with two others I met there to show them a trail they didn't know. They pushed their bikes after half of the 5 minute uphill and I had to wait two times on a 1 minute downhill. With a kid and life obligations I have no time to spare for that, sorry.
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 You poor thing you had to wait a whole 3 minutes.
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 @Ironchefjon:it was ok for that one lap, but it would have added up over 16 laps and I had to be back home for lunch. I am a time crunched dad, got no 3 minutes to spare. Sade but true.
  • 2 0
 I can usually handle one group ride on a monthly basis. The exercise part is nearly as important as riding itself. On group rides the exercise part usually disappears. Its always just a too wide bracket of skill levels, which turns it into a waiting game, 1h ride turned into 2.5h.
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 Riding with one mate or alone does it for me. Gave up group club rides years ago. Too much wasted time in the car park watching all the faffing about adjusting and fixing that should've already been done. Then theres all the issues arising from lack of maintenance on the ride itself......
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 I agree. I can't deal with the faffing and everything taking 5 times longer than it should. Riding is an escape for me rather than a means of socializing these days. Something about it being just me and the bike hooning through the woods that cleanses the soul.

Although if it's more of a "send it" kind of ride and I'm eyeing up a big jump or drop or whatever, it's nice to have someone there who can phone for an ambulance if it does go tits up.
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 The thing I hate about group rides. Is then Im riding up a climb and they are straddling the trail and dont move out the way so you have to stop and then they pretend they didnt notice and go 'oh sorry'... just after ive stopped. Or when im at the tail head and they are blocking the entrance while having in depth chat with no self awareness that other people cant enter the trail and then get angry when you ask them to move.
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 Happened to me today! On a long uphill 2 ebikers could not make a switchback and stopped and looked at it in the middle of the trail. They saw me approaching and did not even consider to pull off the trail, I just rode high side on the switchback into the woods and back down and kept going and then they were pissed because i passed them, WTF?
  • 2 0
 I hate hate hate bike shop group rides for the above reasons. Along with the amount of drinking that "needs" to be done for riders to feel relevant in the MTB world. Sorry bud, your just holding up my ride. My wife doesn't really like group rides because she struggles to keep up with the guys and the coddling culture of women's specific group rides. Women, why must you cheer each other on like everyone is learning to walk for the first time? Its super weird and unnecessary, just ride - My wife.
  • 2 0
 Having a core group of friends that you truly enjoy riding with is a very special thing. 3-4 people who regularly ride together, know each other's strengths and weaknesses, and revel in everyone's success is amazing. I am very fortunate to ride with a group like this. If I can't ride with them then I usually ride alone. I find I don't push myself as hard or go as fast when I am by myself though.
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 5 or more people all on different skill levels is unacceptable.
  • 5 0
 My mental health took multiple steps up when I stopped riding in a group.
  • 5 1
 Adjusting their bloody bike in the car park, because why bother doing it any of the previous 6 evenings????
  • 1 0
 I know that I won't be late for the ride time that I make up when riding solo. Group rides with locals are great when exploring/discovering new areas but drink breaks every 100 yards and waiting for late people at the trailhead is for the birds.
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 I do ride most of my bikerides on my own, just because as a father of 3 small kids and as a husband, if I get the chance I want to grab it, and not waste time, asking for a ride companion.

That said, I'm also president of our local cycling club, and it's a great excuse that I have to go and ride, build trails and organize and participate in weekend trips with friends as a "duty"!

Imo bikeriding is a solo activity, but as always and everywhere good times shared are better times.

I've been an egoist most if my life so it also has been a good lesson to learn to wait, participate, help, advise, motivate, succumb, engage, teach...

Last but not least - train rides on jumplines are awesome - cheers!
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 Eh. When I used to live in an area where the trails didn't challenge me and I just rode for fitness I despised group riding unless it was in a race setting. Now that I live in an area that can challenge me every ride, it's fun to go with other people and have a feeling of relative safety on big features, plus they can show you new zones or vice-versa. I still ride for fitness, and pimarily solo, but group riding has become a biggger part of my routine.
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 Group rides with a few friends are awesome. Some local shops host group rides and 25 people show up. That's the hardest of no's for me.
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 The category of "group rides" can be split into sub-categories to cover the rides with friends whom you know are competent, quick, and on the same page in terms of trail preferences and duration and another sub-category where expectations are very minimal and flexible. I find I have to mentally switch to the low-expectations group ride sub-category at times and take it as an opportunity to hang out with friends and chit-chat rather than bike. For those low-expectations days, I'll sometimes try to start earlier and/or ride from home to get a bit more ride time in.
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 I agree with this. It's all about expectations. If you show up to a shop ride and start bitching about people taking too long, doing boring trails, or walking their bike, it's a you problem. You're the one ultimately responsible for who you ride with.
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 Group riding = herding cats. Waiting for people to show up then start f*cking around with their bikes for the day instead of riding.
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 When i see a Henry Quinney article on the homepage i can not click fast enough.
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 Given the latest round of cuts in progress at Outside, surely all Pinkbike rides in the near future will be solo rides
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 I love to ride by myself, and i do so very frequently. However, im really thankful for my riding group. We ride at 6am so we can all get to work by 8, and i can say with certainty that if i didnt have other people expecting me to show up, i would probably ride half as many days as i do. Im super happy to ride with friends, but im also perfectly happy to ride by myself
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 long time reader of articles, tho I rarely read the comments. Couldn't resist this topic.

Don't bring anyone slower than you.
Any ride over four people = add 15min per person.
Solo good.
my fave is the SGR (small group ride)

Ive told my "group" that i love to ride with them all......but not all at one time.

Tomorrow is Thursday Express a 2up ride. Early start, no BS.
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 Since I've gotten back into MTBing in the last 2yrs, most rides are solo. That's mostly because of lack of availability (schedule) and MTB friends too.

Riding with someone is fun - makes chasing them downhill entertaining, pushes my skill level and helps alleviate climbing-suffering through distraction.
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 It's almost like, some people are introverted, and others are extroverted. /s
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 I love group rides, and solo rides. I guess my group are a bunch of shredders that can bank a rim back to true or fox whatever repair we come across out in the woods.
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 "If you feel like you have something to prove, or we have to work to service your ego because mummy, daddy, Mrs. Doubtfire, or whoever it was that put the hard yards in for you, didn't tell you how special you were as a child then also, yes, you're gone."

How the f*ck would you figure out all that bullshit on a ride? Working to service an ego? Is that like racing up climbs and cranking downs? Doesn't that fit in with your idea of keeping moving and not faffing about?

"At that rate, I recommend therapy, and no amount of fist bumps, high fives or screaming "SEND IT" as you ride down Rupert is going to remedy the issue."

Actually, it really really really can help. It literally can be therapeutic for many many people.

Not to mention that good group dynamics are great for progressing. You say you like the no-foot-down flow ride, but that's not an instant thing that happens on every trail. Having a crew around giving high-fives after hard bits can help build you up faster, allowing more of those perfect ride no-dab rides.
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 TL;DR: I'm an introvert and people annoy me.
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 @henryquinney "It's mountain biking and not a teddy bear's picnic for goodness' sake. That said, pissing on the move isn't necessitated, or indeed on cold rides potentially even possible.

No, don't change that tubeless tire in the car park. Yes, putting your jacket on and off every five minutes is annoying. No, I don't want to have a five-minute trip-down-memory-lane as we wait at the corner of every switchback. Yes, I do expect your bike to be in working order. No, I don't care who's faster than who. Yes, spending 20 minutes on a random turn to get the insta-click-wondershit photo of you is my very idea of hell."

Truth has been spoken. Going alone and not going all out bananas on the downhill is about as easy as it gets. Maybe a ride with max. 2 others when the real monkeys get together.. But that's about as often as who knows when.
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 Love solo because it's a lot easier to organise short notice when the weather's good. Most of my riding is solo and I love it. Deffo got a lot more patience for my mates than this guy though. They barely get out so I'm just happy for them to be there. Couldn't really give a shit how much they faff or moan about families. Draw the line at Instagram photos though. That's just weird for my age bracket.
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 Seems to be an epidemic of so called mountain bikers these days that don’t want to ride. What’s the point in spending all that money on a bike and the equipment necessary to use one if you’ve always got an excuse when it comes to riding one or there’s always something else you’d rather be doing? Roughly 80% of people I know who own a bike can’t have ridden it more than ten times this year and that’s being generous, the other 20% are out all weekend and twice midweek though.
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 No, don't change that tubeless tire in the car park. Yes, putting your jacket on and off every five minutes is annoying. No, I don't want to have a five-minute trip-down-memory-lane as we wait at the corner of every switchback. Yes, I do expect your bike to be in working order. No, I don't care who's faster than who. Yes, spending 20 minutes on a random turn to get the insta-click-wondershit photo of you is my very idea of hell
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 Great article as I just finished a solo ride a couple of hours ago. I decided to bring my bike in to work this morning, didn't have to schedule it with a bunch of people or ask opinions on where the ride should take place. At lunch time I grabbed my bike, headed towards the trails and just rode. Didn't need to stop once, didn't need to ask somebodies opinion on which trail should be ridden next, didn't have to wait on anybody, didn't have to compete with any egos, just rode my bike and soaked up the beautiful scenery.
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 The beautiful part about this excrutiatingly twee rant, is that it comes off exactly like the people the author claims to revile! LMAO just like how a dog and it's owner start to look alike the more the years press on, The grumpy above-everyone-else Mountain Biker starts to sound like all the things they hate.
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 Uh rides with people who have bike problems and can not fix it by themselves, always asking you to help them out. You are a grown-ass man, your headset is wonky, figure that shLt out yourself dude.
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 Riding is like eating. Sometimes you just need to be fed. Other times you enjoy the manners of using utensils, pacing yourself while you savor the meals and show appreciation for the art of conversation. BUT, most often we just eat what we like, however often we like and however much of it we want if it's up to us.
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 hoooooly crap this is me. i dont want to slow anyone down, or feel the need to get Xtreem. I dont care about this ig video, or making sure I tag people. If the term PR is brought up to anyone other than a coach or team mate and it isnt a training ride im out. haha such a good article.
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 No, you're the opposite. Henry doesn't want anyone "slowing him down", because everyone else does biking wrong (according to him). You're worried about other people (like Henry) thinking that you're doing it wrong.

But guess what, there is no wrong way to have fun! If it's not a "training ride", or explicitly promoted as a fast-pace-and-we-will-drop-your-ass-so-keep-up-or-go-start-the-grill group ride, anyone bitching that you're too slow is just an ass and their opinions are not worth worrying about. They're diminishing your experience because they can't adapt, and that sucks. Just ride your ride, find a group that can deal (doesn't have any Henry types) if you can, and have fun!
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 @justinfoil: oh its my new jersey catholic guilt mentally projecting that im slowing everyone down.
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 I almost always disagree with Henry, especially about cable routing. *wrings hands angrily*

BUT! I kind of agree with him here. Group rides are simultaneously the worst and the best. One of the best things about mountain biking is that you can have fun riding both with your best friends and solo.
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 I run a mountain biking club at the high school I teach for. I love riding with my students and would far prefer to go on group rides than ride by myself anymore. Even though, now that my students are all way faster than me, it is sort of like riding by myself because I spend the entire time dragging behind.
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 I totally get it. With mtb, it is difficult to find riders that have the same level, speed, fitness, like to ride the same type trails, and stamina both on the climbs and descents. Group rides can be fun as the riders are generally nice people. However, there is such a wide variety of level and type of riders that it is like land of misfits stirred in a bowl. Lol. The group ride lacks any flow. It is just easier to grab your bike, not match up schedules, and just go rip for a couple of hours at your own speed and the trails you want to ride.
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 what about what the group members might bring on the ride with them always can be better for group, like some treats, some tools, weed always good too...the more experienced guys will know a good group pretty much, so no worries there
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 The best is riding with someone who is way faster than me, but who absolutely does not care to go fast that day. Then I can train at my pace, but I'm not alone out in the middle of nowhere
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 While I generally avoid group rides nowadays (I like my 420 themed solo rides), except on rare occasions for all the pain-in-the-ass reasons listed above, an after work Tuesday evening mountain bike ride I started years ago (haven't been on this ride in YEARS) is still quite popular and will be celebrating its 20-year anniversary next week......I might just show up for that one.
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 I prefer Solo rides too but somehow I remember the very limited group rides I did with friends compared to my solo rides. reminds me of the famous last words of the McCandless in the movie Into the Wild - Happiness Is Only Real When Shared
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 I too am British and similarly more of a fan of lone wolf riding than pack but, by jebus, this is whiney, miserable bastard article. I get that it’s gotten cold, wet and miserable here but, seriously, mate, sort it out.

I get you don’t like people, I live in Norfolk and I’m from Romford so I completely understand but really that article was a petition to die cold and alone!

Do you need a hug? No really, you alright?
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 perchè sì tutti sociopatici e xè meio che ve fasì vedare secondo mi.... Vuoi mettere pedalare in salita facendo due chiacchere con qualche amico come ti passa in fretta piuttosto che stare lì a soffrire come un cane tutto da solo? E in discesa avere qualcuno che un pò ti tira il collo e ti aiuta a migliorare o semplicemente a gasarti? e what about la (le molte) birra/e a fine giro?... mah provate a venire in italia e vedete dopo cos'è il divertimento.
Cheers
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 I am that person who pissing on the move, putting jacket on and off every five minutes and eating and chilling some minutes on the top before dropping in.

I totally agree that group rides are the worst: ​​anyone who doesn't have these habits annoys me.
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 My biggest issue with group rides are mechanicals. Someone's bike is always out of order and it's usually the same guy every time. I don't mind waiting for folks to catch up at the top of the climbs, but I hate waiting for someone to fix a preventable mechanical failure.

If I'm trying to train for a specific trip or event, I will avoid group rides because I want to go at my own pace and I don't want to be a jerk to others who may not want the same pace. Otherwise I'm usually up for a group ride because I ride with actual friends (usually) and I value the time spent out in the woods with the boys. Sometimes just enjoying yourself and time outside trumps the solo ride for me. It definitely helps if the other folks in the group are at my level of fitness or better though.
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 I have only once organized/ been a willing participant in a group ride. My neighbors (2) wanted to ride with me. I set a date, time, and location. Something that they could handle and would not bore me. A happy medium. Then came 'we should I drive together'. No, no we should not. You should meet me there, even if it means a car caravan leaving the cul de sac to the trail head. The next thing was my neighbors, not inexperienced but not exactly regular riders wanted to know what basic skills would be required. Riding, balance, and being able to lift up over a curb should suffice. You can always hike a bike around something you do not wish to tackle. Then some other basic questions. No big deal really.

Then, the night before something dawned on me. I was their "bike guy." If something broke, it would be up to me to bodge a trail side remedy. Any tips and line suggestions to avoid an imminent visit to the ER were coming from me. If they had a terrible time, I would take it as a personal failing for not showing them how awesome riding in the woods can be. I started planning out so much stuff, packing so many spares and tools, that it triggered some sort of nervous IBS and I ended up not even making the ride because I got absolutely no sleep and had zero energy. It was ridiculous. Never again.

I ride alone. I turn on two different GPS trackers and let two people know where I am. I am then, content.
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 Group rides are the best. It sounds to me more like you aren't riding with the right group. Our group rides leave 5 mins after the agreed time expecting your bike to be in working order, stops at the top and bottom of climbs and descents and thats about it.
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 I saw the title and immediately thought: this must be from @henryquinney and I'm gonna love it. Right on both counts. I appreciate that even in your reveling in ride solitude you recognize that the occasional ride with the right friend can be all the more memorable.
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 I like hanging out at the bike shop with my buddies much more than I like riding with them. I like being on my own schedule with my own plan on a ride. I don’t need to be on everybody’s pee break, snack break, chit-chat break schedule. The best ride is when you only unclip once when you’re back at the trailhead.
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 THIS!!! I was riding solo and came across a group of 12 on my local trails. I had to stop let 2 by, pedal 1/4mi, let two more by, It was a mile and a half of a "group" that had no awareness of staying together or that other people also use the trail.
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 I have developed this approach…solo rides are for Strava times OR jump/tech lines, group rides for beers and cheers…only one or two friends that can do both with, but lots of peeps in the latter group overall…both are fun in their own way!
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 Group rides tend to attract the builders more than the riders. The style police. The “hold on everyone, I need to tighten my purple Chris King hub again! (Please come watch while I explain why I don’t like the hubs you are using)” type of people.
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 I hate group rides - I ride solo a lot. I occasionally ride with a friend or two but then they are slow or they bring an extra friend who doesnt know how to use their gears or everyone stops to eat and I didnt bring anything because i had a proper breakfast or they all want to go for a swim because we passed a miserable mosquito swarmed patch of grubby water. Then I remember why I ride solo.
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 I prefer to ride with a small, core group of friends. We used to have mass group rides and they were often a shit-show. The amount of time it takes and the number of crashes and mechanicals seems to grow exponentially with the number of people. We had a few rules for group rides back in the day: 1- If you are late, see you later! 2- If you are off the back, deal with it. Alone!
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 You got to know what you're in for. I ride with 2-5 other people and we're all similar pace. So no set heirarchy, but if there's ppl who can't keep up I set myself up mentally for that. I like riding alone and with heaps of people. Ridings riding. I rode alone mostly though. No stops, no complaints. Stop if I want or not.
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 For group rides, you just need to account for the guy who hasn't refreshed the STANS in his tires for 12 months, and is completely flabbergasted as to why his tire isn't holding air. If you go in with that mindset, you'll be OK.
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 Lunch group rides with two to three others who ride up and especially DOWN at similar speed - YES absolutely! Some of the best riding is when I follow a master class rider down a trail, just barely holding their wheel, in absolute tunnel vision and complete focus. Or trying to lose the guy behind you by going just this little bit faster than you would when you ride alone. SO MUCH FUN! Not so many people to do that with, but I'm really lucky to know a few.
Sunday ride out all by myself, sleeping in (or not) , choosing my own schedule and maybe switching route a few minutes before I leave the house, changing plans mid ride, enjoying some free time contemplating whatever during a few quite hours on the bike - YES absolutely!
Group ride with a bunch of people you know and respect, and who know and respect you, with a beer or two mid ride and / or after the ride. YES! My understanding of social life.
Group ride with a bunch of people I don't know, have never ridden with before...nope.
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 Ha, I had a friend that whenever we went to ride our MotoX bikes near Cadomin, AB. Once we unloaded he would usually say, "I just have to change my oil". We knew we had another 10-15 to get our boots and gear slowly on. One time the tranny fluid came out milky from a previous river infested ride, so we were glad he caught that.
10 or 15 minutes lost before heading out for a 6 -10 hour day is fine (especially after a 4 hour truck ride each way). Its the, "I have maybe 1 hour to get an MTB ride in plus my 28 min commute by car on each side of that ride" that's the most dangerous. If anything cant be found like a helmet or single shoe or someone is late by 15 it can ruin the whole thing. Sometimes those are the only rides a person gets during the weekdays. Solo on short 1 hour rides can be great as you set all the paces.
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 You're so full of rules! The bad part of group rides are the rules (written or unwritten) but that's apparently not enough for you. I can just imagine you on the trail with a grumpy face, always thinking of all your rules and who would be out because one was violated.
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 MTB is an inherently selfish activity, I ride for my own benefit. Much like skiing, if we jive and have similar goals/skills we can ride/ski together. Everytime I've ridden/skiied with more than 2 other people it's been pretty miserable. I hate sessioning features, I don't want my picture taken and I don't want to take your pic. I want to ride, its experiential doesn't need documentation or a bunch of waiting around.
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 Yes group rides are a little bit boring ,when really you want to ride and nothing else,and the waiting after each section it takes you the ride “flow”,I love riding with my brother,and most 3person on a “group “ride ,you can ride so much more. But I also love that days when it’s just for fun,and a large group is the best. I do love riding alone ,but more on some more mellow tracks ,in the end I just love riding :-)))))
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 One of my angriest moments on a mountain bike was after some random guy decided to jump on my rear wheel and pretend he was in an XC world cup event. He chased me through one of my favorite single tracks undoing what should have been my zen time. When I pulled over at the first available spot to let him go by, he pulled over with me and said "Great session dude!". My reply is not printable. I was not there to have a "session" or an impromptu race. I was there to have some quiet alone time.
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 wouldn't be where I'm at today with riding without the wednesday night rides

group rides can go bad certainly and sometimes end up a waste of time / frustrating, but there's definitely still value there for progression and fun's sake
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 I consider a "group ride" to be a ride with a bunch of folks that don't normally ride together. Usually in a larger group. I'm not usually a fan of those unless I have good advanced warning and am prepared to have a mellow day faffing around.

I think riding with a few close friends that know what's up (as you've pointed out) is the best type of riding. Everyone can handle themselves and take turns leading, etc. I have a great group of riding buddies and always have a better time riding together vs. solo.
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 This is me.
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 Second.
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 When I headed out on a solo ride in the dark last night after listening to the Colin Dowler bear attack interview, I did wish I had brought a couple of talkative partners - can’t beat them for bear repellent.
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 *bear bait
Fixed that for you.
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 The problem with group rides is they almost always take 1.5X more time to finish vs a solo ride. Sometimes, we don't have the disposable time.
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 The irony of a Brit asking for independence is glorious…

Seriously though, I ride with lots of different groups and levels of riding. I also rode solo. Learn to appreciate both aspects of riding a bike, and you’ll be much happier for it.
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 @Saidrick not as glorious as when i divorced your mum #Ebike
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 Rode with same bunch for over 30 years , it’s been a great time but now I find some of their habits and idiosyncrasies intolerable. Rather than expect them to change I just don’t ride with them as often.
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 i just like riding my bike. if more people join, great, if they dont, great.
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 Group rides are awesome when they work out. Wednesday night rides in Santa Cruz, park days, etc. I also like not having to ask anyone else be on my ride schedule. Solo rides are most of my time in the saddle.
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 Gah! I can’t believe the author of an opinion piece doesn’t share my opinion! What a grumpy bastard. I think I’ll disagree with him point by point. That’ll teach him.
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 > I don't think I'm grumpy or negative. I am, however, British

my condolences Frown
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 Most of my riding is done solo mainly because I ride trials most often and there aren't many who do that. But if you don't like riding with people than I think you're taking this mountain bike thing too serious.
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 Only like riding with my missus and kids now. Much more enjoyable to watch everyone close to me grow their skill in biking.
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 Got a friend who is happy going for a multi hour cruise along a local fire road on our hardtails. No tech or singletrack whatsovever.
Got other MTB friends who would recoil at such a "boring" ride.
I'm glad I have options.
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 I think the best is when you go out by yourself and end up riding with bros you didn't know were going to be there. Former riding bros, racer bros, etc. You don't have their contact info, but you know them from racing/riding years ago. Ahhh....that's the best!
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 Anyone who grew up in BC should not be expected to show up within half an hour of when they are expected to show up. And once you account for tha thalf hour and set a new expectation, apply the principle again.
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 Henry Quinney is A KEEPER! Satire, wisdom, chain-pulling, Pinkbike "legends" (Mike Levy) "disruptor" .... what could be better?!

And he knows his stuff!
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 Group photo, Is that RC in the middle, Shit id make coffee and homemade donuts to ride with that gang of misfits
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 Yep, that was from a Field Test back in 2019. Group rides with RC are always worth it - I'm sure even Henry would have had a good time.
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flag justinfoil (Nov 16, 2022 at 18:58) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: not according to this. We all know RC can and will talk about nothing and everything all at once (and that's not a bad thing, IMO). Based on what was just written, Henry would have lost his shit by the second switchback.
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 Mike (in thongs) and RC altogether, I have a 2012's good feeling here.
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 tongs!
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 I am a big fan of group rides, particularly the safety in numbers aspect of it. However, I prefer riding with people I know and with people around the same level. Else, it is a struggle to wrangle everyone together.
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 Agreed. I was very happy not to be riding alone when I broke my leg this summer.
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 Why do you ride with a group? I've never had enough friends to constitute a group....
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 I'm not actually "friends" with everyone I ride with. I have a few true friends that I try to ride with, but the folks I see at the various weekly-ish rides are more mere aquaintances. I'm not going to their weddings, I don't know their kids names, I just know their bikes and who to follow to find fun lines depending on what kind of ride I feel like. I'm also certainly not going to claim that any of them "do biking wrong", nor that anything anyone else does on one of those group rides can actually ruin those rides (I mean, besides intentionally physically running into me and damaging me or my bike). If I wanted a no-dab flow ride, I go on a solo no-dab flow ride, and I wouldn't go to a group ride that's expecting a dozen party animals that like to session stuff. I certainly wouldn't claim that everyone else is doing it wrong and ruining it for the rest of us.
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 "The article mentioned that any need for "boosting egos" (though whatever that is in the context of a group ride, I don't know) is a deal breaker. If you truly think the best/only way to have a good time is to go by yourself because everyone else always ruins your shit, that's some big time ego stroking right there."
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 The key to group rides is having the right riding buddies. I'm very picky about who I ride with. I really enjoy riding solo though.
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 All the faffing and complaining I've done on rides has cumulatively consumed less time than I spent reading this formal complaint of an article.
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 I support Henry's right to get pleasure on his bike with or without other riders. If he's enjoying his ride, he's doing it right.
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 'British, and we do revelling in misery and bitterness better than anyone else and I'm not above leaning into that.'

Germans be like: hold my stein
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 You had me at:
"we do revelling in misery and bitterness better than anyone else and I'm not above leaning into that"

I might only agree with half of this article, but I love the way Henry uses the language!
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 sometimes I just want to get lost in the woods and enjoy the nature and the ride (most of the times) other times I am open for company and share the ride. Living in Rome, Italy, doesn't help solo rides though
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 i like group rides every now and then. i get into the habit of riding the same areas, same trails, same lines, etc. group rides sort of force me to switch things up and maybe find some new lines.
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 Yep, couldnt agree more. Loved the bit about "trip down memory lane" Please...I'm not interested, I'm here to R I D E #shutupandride well written rant and I thought it was just me who had no friends Smile
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 Most people that are fun to ride with... suck to hang out with.

Most people whose company I enjoy ...suck to ride with.

98% solo rides and every once in a while with 1 or 2 friends. Exceptions for kids and girlfriend.
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 SO. MUCH. THIS! I like flow. I like going the speed I can go that day. I don't want to skull drug and, If I feel like going fast, there is nothing worse that not being able to.
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 Henry, I totally feel you. I love my solo rides in that you never have off hang ups in the flow of the ride, but it’s always great to share some stoke with a buddy and the memories made are always worth the faffing about.
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 Well ….. doesn’t seems like it’s fun riding with you ….. people that negative who keeps crying Can stay away from me please don’t think anyone wants to ride with you now
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 Totally agree Henry, i got rid of riding partner recently just because of him being late all the time. I take care of my elderly father and when i go riding i use it to de-stress and get my bike on. I ride by myself because of my above average ability and no patience for self involved people.
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 I have a friend like that too, one of my oldest buddies, but he is always late and ALWAYS recovering when we do ride. "I just had a massive workout yesterday, so lets stop and get food."

I love the guy, so whenever we meet i always get there 1-2 hours before hand to do some solo miles.
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 @Rexuis-Twin: haha best and most constructive comment yet! sounds fair to ride alone before and then be a bit chit-chatty.
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 I mostly ride alone. And I'm always fastest. And slowest too
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 My favorite is when that person you're riding with shows up late and steps out of the car wearing their pajamas....
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 Sometimes I like party laps. Sometimes I like riding by myself. But mostly, I just like riding my bike.
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 My weekday rides are 6-8am, so that usually means I'm riding solo unless it's the middle of summer and people are wanting to avoid the heat of the day.
  • 2 1
 I noticed that most overweight middle aged men on ebikes like to ride in big fat groups..more of a social blab fest than a real ride but hey there having fun
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 I am going to add fist bumps, high fives and screaming "SEND IT" to all my rides, even if I am riding solo. Thanks for the great beta!
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 Did a great ride a couple of weeks ago with 14 guys. Smiles & laughs all around.
It did involve pot cookies, which may explain it.
Should I send you some, Henry?
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 three people max is a big enough group. anything more is annoying for everyone including other riders on the trail
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 To each their own. My biggest complaint with group rides are when I am riding solo or 1 - 2 friends and come across a group ride it’s especially irritating.
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 Large group rides are on occasion fun... but 99.99 percent of the time I prefer riding solo or a small sized group.
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 Henrys sarcasm really is the pinnacle of my day whenever he creates content.
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 100%. Very difficult to fit the right fit if people I want to ride with. With no faff and actually want to pedal and chat. Rather than stop at every opportunity
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 if i'd want to do group sports i'd play football. great thing about a bike is: go out, ride.
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 My wife and kids call me grumpy all the time. Shit, maybe I'm just British. Mind your P's and Q's, lads. Cheers Quinney!
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 Group rides suck when you are a better rider than 99% of the group. Always out front, always waiting at the next interchange.
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 Almost as bad as big groups on a ride......trail dogs ( and I like dogs) and the person who wants to take pictures every 5 minutes.
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 Thanks for this eye opening opinion. I'm going to tell all my riding buddies to fug off now. I cant believe I didnt think of this earlier.
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 it is a proven fact when more than a handful of males gather together they get the "Pack Mentality" and any sense of decorum and respect are torched.
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 What? You actually have other people who ride bikes in the bush in your part of the world? Luxury! Think the ratio where I live is about 1 trail gnome to 50.000 citizens.
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 I hate groups so much, I re wrote this article by myself, THEN read it alone, so as not to share it with any of you Pinkbike dorks.
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 "Yes, spending 20 minutes on a random turn to get the insta-click-wondershit photo of you is my very idea of hell."
LOL.

My Favorite Quinney Rant Yet!
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 I resemble this rant,
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 Group rides = more variables, for the better and worse.
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 Fact: Group Rides Are the Worst
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 what's a "group ride"?
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 It's when you talk to yourself a bunch while riding Wink

I consider this ^ therapy Smile
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 @sanchofula: Yep. I let my internal dialog come out of my mouth when I ride alone. After a hit of weed it can get wild. Nothing others should hear but I amuse myself.
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 Pro tip - Don’t piss on your biscuits.
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 Completely agree Henry. Let's not meet up for a ride sometime Smile
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 Riding is my me time, leave me alone.
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 @henryquinney, it's funny I could guess who wrote the article from headings itself
PS: you nailed it
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 Show up, keep up, shut up! My rules for any riding, skiing, golfing and working
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 I'm glad I don't pay for this shite......
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 Sometimes i's not easy finding someone whose a good match for a riding buddy. I wish I had one.
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 www.gofundme.com/f/alicia-and-her-family-with-medical-costs Get Alicia Leggett out on Group rides again!
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 Group rides = Go mach for 30-60 seconds....stop....repeat.
Love them and hate them all at the same time
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 love this. please refrain from screaming gnarly, sick, send it , yasss, cmon boys...etc every 5 secs!
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 The occasional big group ride can be fun.....sometimes. But realistically, anything over 5 people is too much.
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 Group texts are to me what salt is to slugs.
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 This is absolutely perfect Henry. Thanks for that. I'm stoked not to ride with you, in the best possible way
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 Please start asking yourself if the problem is the group or if the problem is you as part of the group? Mountain biking is all about sharing.
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 Group rides ARE the best.
You just have to have a killer crew,that’s the hard part.
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 Henry - must be nice to never have had ANY problems in life, so never require a friend to talk to etc…hope you continue on your highly privileged journey through life, AAALL the best!
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 I ride alone because I cant find anyone who rides as slow as me or makes as many stops as I do .
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 Nobody ride with Henry Quinny. He's anti social and smelly
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 Group rides are effed. I've never been on one and just seeing them coming is more than enough for me, thank you very much!
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 Worst thing about a group ride? Riding solo BEHIND a group ride.
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 Quinney is a pretty entertaining guy. Good stuff.
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 Henry goes to the grocery store specifically for poop-flavoured corn flakes.
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 Just me and the doggo. Sometimes we invite the wife but end up leaving her in the dust.
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 Sounds like we're on the same page, Henry, we should ride someti.....ah gaddammit!
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 If you dont ride with friends you have to bring your own tools.....no thanks.
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 “I like to think I’m a relaxed person…”. With out any patience for other people.
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 Kudos to Henry for responding to comments. Adds a personal touch to engage with the writer.
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 AMEN Henry! A couple close buddies is good. Anything more is just aggravating.
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 The Gordon Ramsey of MTB!! Oh piss off!!
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 Big Groups = NO. Small group with 2-3 like minded riders = YES.
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 Group rides can be amazing and they can suck donkey balls, it all depends who you’re riding with.
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 group rides can be good fun, but as the numbers goes up so does the clusterfuck factor! everything in moderation
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 I'll join a group ride but if they want to spend 20 minutes sessioning something for pictures I switch to solo ride.
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 Stop riding with anyone years ago. Best decision ever !!!
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 A perfect ride is when your feet dont touch the ground, a bad ride is when your head does.
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 Group rides can be fun. Especially with beer but please don't wear sandals.
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 This is me to a "T" ! And why I only do solo ride with my dogs, as they are on time and ready to go and don't complain!
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 Married at First Sight rips
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 I enjoy riding alone,other people enjoy riding in groups,good on us!!
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 I like burritos
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 But can’t spell or edit on a phone…
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 Group rides can be slow but they end with lots of beer!
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 Levy on a whole nother level in those flip flops
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 As long as we all have the same battery size it's all good. Analogue riders don't get invited these days.
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 Pop up rides are where it’s at!!
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 Solo Rolla for lyfe
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 No picnics on the trail. Let's go!!!
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 I think I may have yelled "SEND IT" that one time we rode Rupert together!
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 Solo shuttling kinda sucks, But solo night rides… spooky fun.
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 Preach.
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 Oh cool, I guess having no friends is finally paying off...
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 Depends on the day, but I get this.
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 of course this guy is British smfh
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 This makes a great case for racing. Best of both worlds!
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 I feel seen.
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 I agree with this so much.
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 Henry Quinney is my spirit animal
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 This is the heightened Outside content we get? This dude is a nerd.
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 *Michael Scott slams the table.
- THANK YOU!
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 Only child?
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 If you ride together in the bake park, is that considered a group ride?
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 "If you complain, you're gone."

I suppose he's gone then.
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 100% agree with you Henry
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 solo rides and homeopathic pils of group rides
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 You sound like fun
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 Also I am not into group rides. Big Grin
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 perfect riding group-size is 2 ± 1 person !
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 I think this article is the basis for a poll.
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 "He was my best friend. Sometimes we still never talk" --Ron Swanson
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 Im always late, but thats never a problem when im just late for me
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 I hate group ride so much that I didn't really want to post.
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 You guys have friends? :\
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 Pointless article. Why should anyone care if you want ride with other people?
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 Best PB article, ever.
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 AMEN! SOLO RIDES RULE
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 HOT TAKE ALERT!
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 (coolblogbruh)Life is great, I ride with my dogs (/coolblogbruh).
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 the perfect group size is 2 or less.
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 FFS Henry, it's "who's faster than WHOM"! Jeeeez...
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 Every group has its Henry, it keeps the universe balanced
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 Lonely in Chile, is it?
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 Solo is ok.
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 The article was spot on!
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 Group laps are fun!
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 i prefer mtb rides to be social and gravel / road rides solo
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 Where’s Henry?
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 There the best when you're pedalling an #Ebike
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 Bravo!
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 man after my own heart
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 Amen!
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 You're a lemon Quinney
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 I like riding by myself is my way of saying I have no friends.
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 Great thoughts.
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 Yup
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