Poll: Should Downhill Mountain Biking Be an Olympic Discipline?

Jul 28, 2021 at 11:18
by Henry Quinney  
Mathias Flueckiger is always in the mix and tonight will be no different.

The Olympics is one of the biggest sporting events in the world. In preceding decades it's expanded its retinue of disciplines to include BMX, golf, handball and now what some might consider action sports - skateboarding and surfing. Is it only a matter of time before downhill is included? And, more to the point, is that what the fans even want?

Inclusion in the Olympics could bring ever-heightening levels of exposure to a sport that often exists in the periphery. Suddenly, your favourite mountain bike rider might be boosted from relative obscurity to a national hero in their home country. Then there are the non-cycling industry sponsors that may well come into the fold. These out-of-industry sponsorship deals tend to be where some of the biggest cash injections can come into a sport.

Thomas Pidcock performs at UCI XCO World Cup in Les Gets France on July 4th 2021
A gold medal winner can often become a household name in their home country.

Of course, a proper downhill race needs mountainous terrain and a large elevation change. This would no doubt be a stumbling block but, then again, lots of potential venues don't have world-class surf spots or sailing venues. For instance Weymouth, which is around 200K outside of London, hosted events during the 2012 Olympics.

Then there is the argument that niche sports don't always translate into the mainstream. Would we want to see a potentially overly sanitised course on a relatively small hill? Or nothing at all?



Why shouldn't it be included?

Check all that apply.



How do you feel about sports like skateboarding and surfing being included?



How do you feel about XC being included?




295 Comments

  • 199 2
 Talk about surveying a biased interest group…
  • 55 3
 .. with extremely biased questions.

"Select one of the following reasons why including downhill in the Olympics is an absolutely awful idea that no rational person could ever support because its SO stupid"
  • 17 0
 To join the rest of global media, PB only needs to release a new article in a few days with the headline, "Global poll shows overwhelming support for..."
  • 57 7
 For the record, I'm one of the people who isn't so sure that having DH at the Olympics would be all that good for the fans. But being an Olympic sport would mean more national support for athletes, which I'd love to see.
  • 116 13
 The Olympics need to fade away, too much systemic corruption and politics involved now to be really meaningful.
  • 29 2
 @brianpark: I feel like once xc is in it makes sense to have the dh. Gives the sport validation in that it compares well to the different disciplines of skiing in the winter Olympics.
  • 3 3
 @commental: in many countries yes.
  • 5 0
 @commental: yeah but now they (and Tom Pidcock) have won more Olympic cash will get siphoned that way. For some reason it makes sense (?) for more funding to go into sports we are already winning at...
  • 5 2
 That explains the biased survey questions. @brianpark:
  • 12 0
 @brianpark: I disagree, Brian. XC was the logical entry point for mtb competition to enter the Olympic arena, but DH will most definitely fit right in there next to it. Win/win. Win.
  • 1 0
 @Bomadics: Exactly right!
  • 10 0
 @brianpark: I agree the increased level of support from national bodies would be a big plus.
Our national federation in Australia hates DH and puts a lot of support behind XC, mainly because of its Olympic status.
But I still think it would be negative for DH racing as a whole. The IOC are worse than the UCI and I could see them wanting to make a lot of changes that would really suck the fun and unique culture out of DH racing.
That said, looking at the figures from the rider survey, maybe we should just latch on to that Olympic teat and bring in the $!
  • 10 2
 Pinkbike surveys are terribly designed, biased by design - full stop. Too bad though, good could come out of some of those...
  • 4 0
 @brianpark: The Olympic Charter indicates that in order to be accepted, a sport must be widely practiced by men in at least 75 countries and on four continents and by women in no fewer than 40 countries and on three continents.

How far is DH from this threshold?
  • 7 0
 @sylwhistler: probably not much closer than anything that happens in the velodrome
  • 9 1
 @sylwhistler: does anyone actually do pole vault, javelin, shot, discus, curling, in that many countries? In schools maybe. I know literally no one who has participated in any track and field event since leaving uni twenty years ago. Lots of people for distance running, cycling, swimming but that’s it. I wouldn’t even know where to go if I wanted to throw a discus or do a high jump.
  • 4 0
 @Jamminator: Nonono..

It should go like this: "You won't believe what poll has shown when we asked about DH in Olympics!!"
  • 2 0
 @alexhyland: yeah, I always thought it was counter-intuitive to put more and more funding into the sports you're already crushing.
  • 3 0
 @Bomadics: And the UCI has no corruption?
  • 2 0
 @jaame: i think those "classic" olympic sports will be kept indefinitely as they have always been in the games. those metrics are for new sports to be added.
  • 1 0
 @jaame: no idea. Maybe they use different criteria now but that charter is still thrown around and thought it be cool if PB could do a little bit of research and gather the list of all the countries where there is a DH national championship. Most of us would likely learn something.
  • 1 0
 @mashrv1: BOOOM! you nailed.
  • 1 0
 @fredbusher: I'd like to see a legit debate had in these opinion articles. Two opposing arguments that duke it out and each side forms its own poll. Right now it just seems like one person has an idea and a question and we're left with half baked questionnaires to voice through.
  • 1 0
 @jaame: Agreed these events are falling out of relevance with modern times. They are legacy events that people seem to cherish as an across the generations competition (with current generations being compared against the performance of former generations).
  • 1 0
 @Mattwendling: The modern olympics haven't really been around that long, only since the late the 1800s and more so only since the 1930's onwards. There was a huge time gap between the "ancient" olympics and the modern olympics wherein there were no games, mostly because everyone was at war during the middle ages.
  • 1 0
 @SuperHighBeam: Yeah I enjoy watching them also and I m not suggesting they shoul be canned. There was ignorance on my part in terms of the requirements to get a new sport into the Olympics. I was thinking those requirements were for all sports.
  • 2 0
 @Bomadics: man this comment could not have been better timed lol
  • 3 0
 @sylwhistler: Agreed. If not, maybe more countries would start a program... remember the Jamaican bobsledders? They made a program and sent a team.
  • 142 4
 DH is perfect for an Olympic event: It is basically the biking equivalent of an Alpine DH ski race. It's exciting, has a well-defined course that can be managed for spectators and TV, and unlike many of the events these days doesn't have a subjective definition of who wins. It's one of the oldest possible types of events: Start here, finish there, fastest person wins. I don't get why it isn't in.
  • 9 31
flag jaame (Jul 30, 2021 at 12:18) (Below Threshold)
 Because mountains. The only way to include it would be in the Winter Olympics.
  • 17 1
 @jaame: not really, you know how far outside the host cities some venues are? For instance there’s be plenty of rad mountains for a course outside Tokyo.
  • 6 0
 @hi-dr-nick: Like Arai Japan, and not too far from Tokyo. Could have been the perfect place to debut DH for the Olympics. For some reason the UCI always puts DH on the back burner.
  • 38 0
 For Paris 2024 surfing is going to be held at Tehupo'o. In Tahiti. I'd say that opens the door to hold an Olympic DH race on the Les Gets track!
  • 4 0
 @jaame: Part if me thinks of L.A. and Paris upcoming wheee do you do it? Big bear hasn’t had a legit WC DH course I a long time. I don’t remember many mtns around Paris. So how far do you go? But then I have heard surfing will be Tahiti so there the idea distance is not really an issue.
  • 5 0
 @hi-dr-nick: Apparently The Paris games are holding the surfing in Tahiti. Pretty local.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/50760437
  • 5 0
 @hi-dr-nick: Exactly! Quite often the ski-ing events are many hours away from the host city - if there's a will, there's a way.
  • 12 0
 @commental: 4x is an even better Olympic event though, Boardcross was the best spectator event in the winter Olympics and it's basically the same (but for the obvious big difference).
  • 8 0
 Huh. Meant to reply to OP. Anyway I will bang the 4x drum forever, not cos I race it but just cos I like watching it, and the UCI fucked it hard.
  • 6 1
 @commental: And sailing will be in Marseille. Local is not a requirement.
  • 7 0
 @alexhyland: It would make much more sense as an Olympic event. As long as they leave the start ramp in.
  • 1 0
 moved
  • 4 0
 @Zach22: France has incredible world class surfing in Hossegor and most of that region. Sounds like maybe the surfing world said they wanted to hold it in Tahiti?
  • 1 0
 @JiminOz: not the optimal season though
  • 1 1
 @SJP: Local isn't a requirement, but you'd think holding the event in the same country as the host city would be, especially when they have good surf spots.
  • 3 0
 @alexhyland: Been saying this for years. 4X is the perfect Olympic sport. Easy to build a track, you could even build one in the BMX park. Easy to film. Great to watch. Plus, it has a lower barrier to entry. Anyone can get started with a relatively cheap hardtail. They could even standardise the bikes to make it more fair. As Scott Beaumont was saying in his interview on here recently, it’s a great way into mountain biking. Imagine 4X tracks popping up all over the world as countries try to find talented young riders for their Olympic programmes. Some of those riders might go on to race 4X, but the ones that don’t would have the perfect skills foundation to race XC or DH.
  • 2 0
 But it requires a mountain. I want to see it as much as anyone, but they won't limit the possible venues for a summer olympics based on a single sport.
  • 1 1
 @VicSandrin: yes but the Olympics will only be in Tokyo this year. How about next time? The time after that? There is no guarantee of mountains anywhere near the host city for summer games.
  • 2 0
 @JiminOz: Hossegor and other North Atlantic spots are going to have poor conditions in the middle of summer.
  • 4 0
 What about urban DH ,”Sacre coeur “ oui oui @jayacheess:
  • 1 0
 @jaame: for the Paris Olympics the surfing will be in Tahiti.
  • 1 0
 @kevinturner12: are you shitting me?
  • 1 0
 @flyingfox49: Still requires a city with significant elevation.
  • 1 0
 @jaame: well the next 2 summer games have mountains within 2 hours of the host city. They can find a way but I think the UCI/IOC doesn’t want another cycling disciple removed to add DH
  • 1 0
 Less prone to doping or judges being bought
  • 1 0
 @mfoga: mammoth is close enough to LA.
  • 63 3
 The Olympics have gone from being a showcase of the best athletes in the world to being an economic clusterfuck that's propped up by autocratic regimes and global corporations looking for ad spots, that also kinda has some sports mixed in on the side. So obviously downhill racing should go all in on the Olympics.
  • 21 2
 Autocratic regimes?

Japan?
South Korea?
Brazil?
Russia? OK, I give you that one.
United Kingdom?
Canada?
China? OK, I give you that one.
Italy?
Greece?
United States?
Australia?
Japan?
United States?
Norway?
Spain?
France?
South Korea?
etc.

I'd say autocratic regimes are underrepresented.
  • 18 0
 "Economic clusterf*ck" is absolutely true, but as @SJP points out, autocratic regimes is definitely not. I would support the creation of an Olympic City (or two I guess... one for winter, one for summer) where the Olympics are always held. Or for re-using venues more often.
  • 5 0
 @SJP: I misread and thought I saw Canada as ‘Ok, I’ll give you that one’
  • 4 0
 @SJP: the only venues competing for the 2022 games were China and Kazahkstan. Increasingly, democratic countries aren't particularly interested in hosting because it's exceedingly costly.
  • 2 0
 Why is Japan and USA represented twice @SJP:
  • 4 0
 For the 2024 Paris Olympics, surfing will take place in Tahiti
(Netherlands doesn't have mountains, so can they use one of their former colonies? So do future Olympic hosts have to be colonizers? it wouldn't be out of character given the corruption and elitism of the powers that run the Olympics)
  • 2 1
 @dubod22: You didn’t necessarily misread; perhaps it was he who instead mis-wrote…
  • 1 0
 Haha so true
  • 3 0
 @taprider: comment of the day!
Colonial Power Olympics!!

Unless you're Russia and you can include militarily annexed states too.
  • 1 0
 @taprider: what would they do for winter sports, eh?
  • 4 0
 @valleytroll: Britain could hold the DH event in its former colony, the US, next time it wins the Olympics Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @enduroNZ: they just went through every winter and summer Olympics in reverse order, that's why there's repeats
  • 2 0
 Somehow the 1936 olympics weren't included in the list. Not sure why, but I'd be tempted to say it was organized by a questionable regime at the time. Canada may not have an autocratic regime, but did build the Olympic site on conflicted land. Same goes for Brazil (and Australia iirc). Back when I was a kid I also viewed these Olympics as a celebration of sports. Top atletes from different disciplines together, giving it their best, cheering for each other, X-games style. But even though there still is some beauty in it somewhere, there is just so much shit in there that I've come to hate the Olympics with a passion. And part of the shit seems to be triggered by the fact that Olympic results are used to prop national ego. Solution? Ditch all the flag-stuff. Just have the best athletes from across the world compete regardless of where they are from. Now see how much countries are still willing to invest in their athletes if they can't use their results to prop their ego. Bright side may be that countries may also be less intend on abusing them (and then ignoring them after their career).
  • 2 0
 @korev: Sure! Why not? They could hold it in New England... Smile
  • 1 0
 @Augustus-G: @korev: @RusMan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Netherland
but Britain will have to fight the Netherlands for it
  • 41 1
 If you think the UCI are a bunch of killjoys with heavy-handed rules and regulations, just wait until you meet their good friend the IOC. Nope. No thanks.
  • 13 0
 right...the UCI are amateurs compared to IOC and FIFA.
  • 33 9
 The olympics is nationalist garbage run by some of the most corrupt organizations in the world pitting athletes with scarce opportunities against one another for the enrichment of tv/streaming media rights holders. Other than that, sure!
  • 26 4
 F the Olympics. It grown out of proportion. Biggest commercial ever made. Poluting, using money like the world was about to end next month. Well it just may end soon...
  • 4 0
 In one regard I completely agree, however from an athlete standpoint, competing for an Olympic title is pretty special, and despite all the BS associated with it, that part is absolutely amazing. As a taxpayer I am not a fan, but as an athlete and lover of this sport, I support it. Reality is the Olympics will happen... if you can't beat em' join em'!!
  • 22 3
 I don't think more should be added to the Olympics, I think they should start taking a lot away. I caught the Best Trick-Street for skateboarding. There's no way in hell that should be an Olympic event, but I feel the same way about lots of other Olympic events.
  • 28 1
 How is a horse that can walk sideways with the 7th Earl of Sussex on it's back a sport?
  • 22 0
 That skateboarding venue was not authentic. Where was the security guard that comes out randomly to chase the competitors off the course?
  • 4 0
 @JiminOz: not a fan of dressage by any means but apparently it stems from a time when 'mastery over your horse' was one of many military-based skills which crossed over into the competition as a tradition, e.g archery, shooting, synchronised swimming
  • 19 1
 Last thing the Olympics need is yet another rich people sport where 10 nations or less can reasonably be competitive
  • 3 0
 This is the best argument I've seen against. But I still want to see it happen.
  • 20 5
 Unpopular opinion: The action sports will never become respected by the traditional sports.

An olympic medal in action sport won't have the same value as a medal in a traditional sport (athletics, gymnastics etc). An athlete in a traditional sport has to sacrifice everything in their life to even make it to the Olympics, let alone score a medal. That's education dodged, friendships ruined, relationships gone, freetime non-existing. The path to the top is simply paved by hours spent painful training. Been there done that.
Enters the action sport athlete - spending childhood in a skatepark, hanging out with friends, taking substances and having FUN. Yes that is the difference, the traditional sport athlete doesn't have FUN throughout the process, all they get is loads of pain, stress, physical and moral damage for life accompanied with a distant vision of satisfaction somewhere in the future.

The action sports shouldn't turn the fun into drill.
  • 7 0
 Explain to me the difference between downhill skiing and downhill mountain biking. One is a classic winter Olympic sport, the other is an "action sport" apparently. Like, you don't think downhill athletes at the top of the sport don't train religiously and make sacrifices? Ofcourse they do. It's a proper, exciting sport and should absolutely be represented in the Olympics imo.
  • 2 0
 There are kids on bikes that are 10 years old today who will take the path of training really hard, sacrificing friends, etc. They will make DH their life goal. And eventually one of them will make all our current legends look slow AF.
  • 2 0
 I wouldn't say it's unpopular. To me, DH and XC make sense for the olympics. Skateboarding does not. I grew up skateboarding (been skating 30yrs now) and like you wrote, it wasn't because of the athletic challenge. Even though you always want to progress, learn new things, get better, etc. it's the fun aspect and the community that drives skateboarding. There's some overlap with MTB, but skateboarding is in an anti-social class of its own. It has an ethos that I can only see corrupted by IOC.
  • 1 0
 @withdignityifnotalacrity: Agreed, Danny MacAskill works his arse off, cycling and training to be the best "bike park" type cyclist. Bike parks by me are filled with THC infused teenagers going nowhere.
If you are a professional athlete, you train, hard and often.
  • 12 0
 The olympics should be the pinnacle of the sport in question, the ultimate prize.

For various sports currently included, it isn’t. Football, tennis spring immediately to mind. If this would be the ultimate prize for DH, include it, if it isn’t, don’t bother.
  • 1 1
 Pretty big deal in tennis last I saw. Men's football less so for sure, but that is pretty much it. Boxing is obviously kept at amateur level but being Olympic champ is still a big deal.
  • 1 0
 @alexhyland: never said it wasn't a big deal.
  • 2 0
 @howsyourdad: hmm fair. Yeah, it's on a level with the Grand Slams, but probably not above. I would say you could probably put road cycling in there too - TDF is a bigger deal than Olympics I would argue.

I guess that comes down to prize money for pro sports.

I think in DH it would likely be a big deal as the prestige associated with winning (as regards sponsors etc) would go beyond prize money which I assume isn't loads in DH.
  • 1 0
 @alexhyland: no single day at the TdF is as big as the Olympics road race.
It's probably the most valuable one day event to win in career terms, for the mainstream coverage... But a lot of riders would prefer to win Roubaix or Flanders, I'm sure.
  • 2 0
 @alexhyland: Holding sports at amature level in the Olympics is totally ridiculous. The whole point of the Olympics is to prove your the best in the world!
  • 2 0
 @alexhyland: Is Murray British at the moment or has he lost and is Scottish again, I can't keep track...
  • 15 5
 f*ck THE IOC. They f*cking ruined XC. I hope they keep their grubby mits of DH and Enduro. Pre '98 xc races were rad. But then the IOC came along and thought, how can we market this to an audience that last was on a bike when they were 9? Lap length came down, man made features were introduced everywhere, big climbs were removed, actual descents taken out. Go look at the NORBA races from back in the day. Races on trails that you would actually want to go out and ride. Not some bizzaro landscaped minigolf racetrack.

Every change made to the courses was purely to drive cash flow. And with the olympics being the pinnacle of the sport all other races started to follow that format. So again, f*ck YOU IOC. Go eat shit, don't ruin another sport that I love.
  • 9 2
 Sorry, but having old school monster lap length NORBA races sucked...even from a racers perspective. When you're halfway out on a 10 mile loop, there's zero fans, it's so whisper quiet you can't even hear the PA system echoing, and you cannot see any competitor in front or behind, it's quite demoralizing as a racer.

As for the death of natural singletrack racing and introduction to all these wide, manscaped "trails", I will agree with that. There are some more tech features in the sense of rock rolls or drops, but the bikes are way more capable today, which offset it.
  • 5 0
 @Jamminator: I guess thats personal, I loved it. Raced xc in various forms from 95-02 and the change from 2-3 big laps to 7-10 short crit style laps killed it for me. I could just go race cyclecross at that point.
  • 7 0
 @Deep-Friar: For me lap length didn't matter all that much, it was the two big changes with race duration and neutral support that really altered the sport. Somehow XC went from 2.5 hour races to 90 minute races, and self-support got tossed out the window. It basically turned XC into a shootout instead of a race of attrition.
  • 3 0
 @Jamminator: Fully agree. That also really separates the privateer from the factory riders. I never had a grip of wheels sitting trackside. Was lucky enough to have mom and dad at the races throwing food and water at me.
  • 4 0
 @Deep-Friar: I was racing and also on the executive of Cycling BC in the mid 90's and it wasn't the Olympics that killed XC at all. In fact it the professional racing community was by 1996 looking to the Olympics to "save" professional mountain bike racing from disappearing. That first wave of mountain bike racing popularity had a strong fad element which probably peaked with the 1994 Vail World Championships. But it was a case of "They came, they saw, they went home" and by 1996 sponsorship funding was in free fall. At the same time, we saw a steady reduction in the popularity of lap races with recreational racers, and in BC at least, by the 2000's we were left with toonie races and big events like the Test of Metal. Without knowing the numbers, I think XC has come back a bit but enduro and downhill seem more popular with grassroots racers at this time. When a sport like this goes into decline, people try all sorts of things, like making the laps longer or shorter, (or, convinced we need to not look like dorks, banning skin suits and requiring visors in DH). But these things are an effect of a decline in popularity, not the cause.
  • 3 0
 I personally would love more XCO style courses in the US and I’m actually old enough that I raced a few NORBA races. The marathon format of most US XC races is boring for both spectators and competitors. It’s a race, it should be fast, fun, and have features, passing, and strategy instead of just sitting there for three hours trying to stay as close to your target wattage for 3 hours as possible. I want to see people hammering out of the saddle, crushing turns, hitting creative jump lines.
  • 3 0
 I see where you're coming from but overall I'm pretty happy with the state of modern XCO. Yes, the trails aren't 'real' singletrack, but OTOH XC races are probably better than ever as a live spectator experience. The shorter, feature-filled tracks with quasi-continuous camera coverage are a big part of that. If races were still 2.5 hours on 10 mile loops I think we'd be getting the EWS-style recap videos instead of the awesome live RB coverage we have now. Personally as a fan I wouldn't make that trade, even if it meant putting the races back on real singletrack.

TBH I think the NORBA format is still basically alive in the form of the marathon and stage race events that still occur all over the place. As racers if ppl want to scratch that itch there a loads of options, but nobody wants to watch (or lay out big money to televise) those races.

@Jamminator 's point about self support is really interesting though. I wouldn't be opposed to that at all.
  • 1 0
 I feel like our races in Colorado haven’t change, and if anything with the advent of marathon races, have just gotten longer. For the purpose of spectating, the new world cups are way more fun to watch and have helped turn XC bikes back into trail worthy bikes. And, I was at the Worlds at Vail in 94 watching and participated in my first race in the 1990, so I feel like I’ve seen quite a bit of the changes in racing and I generally like the current state. I think the switch from NORBA to USA Cycling did more to hurt mountain biking in the US than did the IOC. All USA cycling cared about was the road. The old NORBA events were way fun. It took over a decade for mountain biking to recover from the BS of USA Cycling and that’s because most promoters went independent of USA Cycling.
  • 3 0
 @whambat: I started in 1993 and raced until about 2003. It was an incredible period with massive growth and tons of fun venues. In terms of negatives, a couple things happened, 1) sponsorships declined around 1998 which caused teams and pro riders to leave the sport, and 2) USA Cycling sucked the life out of what was left.
  • 12 3
 From a historical point of view Olympic sports rely only on human body performance. Running, jumping, swimming, fighting etc... And pedaling for the last decades. DH involves so many mecanical aspects that I feel it's moving away from this original philosophy and instead is leaning more towards motorsports in some way.
  • 10 1
 As much as I'm against DH in the Olympics, there are folks getting a medal thanks to a horse.
  • 4 1
 @dirtologist: a dancing horse no less.
  • 1 0
 @dirtologist: true. I guess they are rewarded more upon the human ability to educate an animal rather than pure body performance, which is questionable as well.
  • 12 2
 Unicycle should be an Olympic sport.
  • 6 0
 My main concern would be the Olympics changing the format and that change extending to the World Cups. Basically, worried the Olympic committee would dictate how the sport is ran outside the Olympics. The UCI XC races aren't called XCO now for no reason.
  • 9 0
 The more timed or scored sports the better, replace the judged sports. The skateboard format was a travesty.
  • 9 0
 If you need a judge to tell you who won, it’s not a sport, it’s a Saturday night reality talent show.
  • 9 1
 They could build a awesome Olympic downhill track in the Netherlands tho...
  • 1 0
 Get the same people in who built that frigging mound next to marble arch in London
  • 9 0
 I’d be up for chilli eating.
  • 5 0
 Keeping the IOC away from downhill would probably be a good thing. They're not known for their competency or their morals.

More involvement from national cycling federations, could be a good thing if there's more funding or it could be a cluster f*ck. British Cycling don't a squeaky clean track record and having them involved in athlete development could more closely could be a disaster.

Never mind the fact that the IOC don't have any qualms about dilution of the competition. They neutered the track cycling after the UK dominated and restricted the number of entrants from each country. Do we want to hold up the Olympics as the pinnacle of the sport if that happens? No thanks.
  • 2 0
 Depends if you are rooting for France, or not.
  • 7 0
 Why does everyone always hate on table tennis? I totally get the criticism of synchronized swimming, but don't hate on ping pong!
  • 3 3
 Or just swimming in general. Freestyle breaststroke, fly, backstroke, each in like 6 different distances and relays too. How many freaking ways can you swim? Give us one of those spots for DH.
  • 1 3
 Table tennis is awesome Smile Rather ditch the hundreds of variations in swimming, weight lifting, and especially race walking.
  • 6 1
 How about enduro as an Olympic sport? One argument for this is that enduro is more representative than downhill of how the average mountain biker rides. With downhill and XC as the Olympic mountain bike sports, non-mountain-biker spectators might perceive mountain biking as either risking life at ludicrous speeds or going in circles while wearing spandex.
  • 4 0
 I would argue the opposite. I feel that Downhill would yield higher viewer numbers than enduro. For one it's a more spectator friendly platform...
To be honest I am a huge fan of watching gymnastics at the Olympics, but I sure as shit am no gymnast.
I'm not oppose to enduro, but downhill IS the F1 of mountainbiking, and it is the proving grounds for almost all gravity dependant innovation in mountainbiking.
If skateboarding can be an Olympic sport (and it should be) downhill 100% should be on that list.
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: That's a good point!
  • 5 0
 Based on the poor TV ratings, I think the validity of the Olympics is falling. So I will defer to Tony Alva and what he said when asked about his thoughts on including skateboarding in the Olympics:

"They need us more then we need them"
  • 1 0
 Tony Hawk said it first. Alva had a lot of good commentary on it. I agree with the sentiment, but don't like that it was included in the first place.
  • 5 0
 If skiing is to cross-country skiing what MTB DH is to MTB XC, then it would make total sense to have DH in the Olympics. Not only that, by the same logic we'd have DH, dual slalom and 4X too. Plus a DH version of ski jumping. And XC with a gun strapped on your back... I'm sold!
  • 6 3
 You have a couple main issues I see. It limits where olympics can be held. Many venues that have hosted the Olympics simply don't have the terrain anywhere nearby for a dh race. The other would be national representation; dh is dominated by a handful of nations so the starting list would be strange with people that are effectively amateurs up against the worlds best.
  • 14 0
 The Paris Olympics is hosting surfing in Tahiti, so I guess something similar could be done for DH.
  • 4 2
 Nonsense
  • 2 0
 Every Olympics, the same question comes forward about downhill inclusion. The argument about "lack of suitable terrain" kinda goes out the window when you consider that surfing is now an Olympic sport, which also limits the location. I think we all remember Canberra world championships track on what could barely be called a hill, but it was still a proper track and an interesting race to watch.
  • 5 1
 @jamin589: Or you'll get a seaotter type course and people will race on trail bikes.
  • 3 1
 @jamin589: So if Amsterdam were to get the Olympics, the Dutch would have to colonize somewhere like Austria by the opening ceremony, is that the suggestion?
  • 2 0
 As to your point about representation. The representation in XC is largely similar. European's are the dominating faction with some strong elements elsewhere like US, Australia, Brazil etc. Same with DH and XC still holds a great race with good representation at the olympics. Guys from Namibia and Israel in the XC race weren't lapped and still finished. While they may not be top WC talent they still held their own - you can find talent everywhere. If anything it would increase exposure and get more people from countries that arent DH hotbeds into the sport.
  • 5 0
 Some venues are so far outside the host city, that’s not a real argument.
  • 4 0
 Having satellite venues that are hours away from the main venue is nothing new... it's been that way for decades. Some Olympic athletes may never even step foot inside the same host city, let alone the Olympic Village.
  • 2 0
 @obsi: How is Paris going to run a surfing competition in 2024?
  • 17 0
 @thelibatteryguy: on the 12th wave of covid?
  • 2 0
 @BenPea: comment of the day!
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: round of applause
  • 2 0
 An amateur won the women's road cycling race this year (she hasn't been a "pro" since 2017). I think giving other nations the ability to shine in international competition would be great.
  • 1 0
 @thelibatteryguy: In Tahiti. No joke. Even though they have Biarritz as part of the mainland, they'll fly the surfers halfway around the world.
  • 2 0
 @obsi: the crazy thing about the Canberra worlds at Stromlo is that Canberra is surrounded by much bigger hills with natural gnarly terrain where they could build amazing tracks for a world cup.They built the track there because it was close to the city and amenities.
  • 7 0
 Curler sweepers might be really good at trail maintenance.
  • 3 0
 I'd personally like to see the Olympics return to the old school track/field + oddballs sports with wide-eyed college kids competing. No surfing, no artistic anything, nothing that requires judges. It's a chance to actually watch/give a crap about decathalon and such.

It's not really very fun to see random remixings of NBA players, or skateboarders/popular action sport of the week, etc. If we just include everything/everyone in the games, IMO they lose what little meaning they had.

-W
  • 5 0
 If it was on Peacock, it wouldn't matter because I wouldn't be able to watch it.
  • 1 0
 I needed three separate free trial accounts to see bmx because it was never the same channel.
  • 2 0
 I think there should be a cycling combined event where individual riders combine the times of the following events:
Flying 3km track
XC track time trial
Hill climb time trial up access road to DH
DH track
Individual time trial
pump track (no chain)


Winner has the lowest cumulative time, events must all be done in two consecutive days. Each event should take around 5 -15 minutes racers must do events in listed order. If you lose momentum in pump track you must run course carrying bike, any size wheels is acceptable for any event.
  • 3 0
 That’ll be another gold for Pidcock.
  • 2 0
 Nah leave DH out of the Olympics, don't think there is much gain for the sport. Fully happy with Wold Champs which has a similar vibe with the bonus that it is held every year on proper DH tracks. Olympic XC and BMX are great though!
  • 3 0
 The Olympics are just a big corporate, commercial scene, all about the Benjamins. I'd just as soon DH stay out of that shit. Oh look it's the McDonalds Intel Visa down hill team.
  • 2 0
 A huge part of the Winter Olympics are sports that involve sliding downhill fast, be it on skis, snowboard or down the bobsleigh track. The problem with adding DH MTB to the Summer Olympics is that nothing else in the Summer Olympics needs a big hill to whizz down, so it’s a logistical nightmare. I just don’t see it getting anywhere near the investment required to do justice to WC DH. Also, because it’s a time trial (unlike BMX and XC) it’s not that exciting to watch unless you understand the sport. And it’s a lot slower than DH skiing so I’m not sure the general public will realise how great it is.
  • 2 0
 DH should not be in the Olympics because the Olympics should not exist. Huge carbon footprint and massive cost that usually ends up hurting the people of the host country financially. In return, we get... two weeks of mediocre TV, weird nationalism, and a mix of (1) sports no one cares about and (2) sports that already have a major global competition people care about. It's extremely not worth it.
  • 2 0
 Including freestyle skiing in the Olympics in 2014 did nothing good for the sport. Jossi Wells and Henrik Harlaut, legends of the sport, were shamed for being different. Now park skiing is increasingly just comp jocks and training academies. Lots of pros still get paid almost nothing btw. If your parents aren't rich enough to send you to Windells every summer, you're probably not going to be good enough. A similar fate for DH biking may be inevitable, but lets please not try to speed it up by making it an Olympic sport
  • 4 0
 Closest mountain range to Paris for the 2024 Olympics is 500 miles away. Not practical for other cities as well.
  • 6 0
 Wait until you learn where surfing will take place
  • 4 0
 Sailing for the 2024 "Paris" Olympics will be held in Marseille (just like 2012 London had Weymouth). Funny thing - if you take the TGV to Marseille, you pass right through the French Alps...
  • 4 0
 The wc track in la Bresse is 200miles from paris. I used to go for the weekend when o was living in Paris
  • 8 3
 Olympics arent relevant anymore.
  • 5 0
 Where is the couldn't care less option.
  • 2 0
 Theyre saving it for the outside subscribers
  • 1 0
 I used to think it would be difficult to find a good location, but if they can include surfing they can including DH. Just make sure the course specs are legit so we don’t end up with a Sea Otter style Olympic course. Also, please come build some XCO calibre courses here in CO!
  • 1 0
 Just start researching corruption, bias, and misogyny in the Olympics. Anybody who's not a jerk won't take long to realize that anyone who's not a jerk would want nothing to do with the Olympics. If there's an international cabal version of the Boogeyman that is industrialized sports, the Olympics is it.
  • 1 0
 I think if they could the venue dialed. Hardline showcases the best format. Obviously it would have to not be as insane but that mix of slopestyle and DH sendy stuff is where it's at for mass appeal. Same with Rampage. No one cares about a dude navigating some amazing tech with sweet line choices the whole time. They want to see the fun stuff too.
  • 1 0
 Not even a mention of this reality in the article, ie the number of cycling events is limited. For a new event to be included, one of the established events has to be eliminated. There's the problem. That and the fact of the very real limited participation in dh.
  • 1 0
 I can see the debate of Skateboarding and BMX freestyle etc etc in the Olympics.(although my personal opinion is, they fit in well with gymnastic side of the event) But, DH like XC and BMX racing is just that, a race. A Competition where the fastest wins. Why wouldn't that fit into the olympics?
(Political,financial and social olympic debates aside)
  • 1 0
 I find the whole "country/athlete" association rather stupid, so I don't care for the olympics. Sure the athlete may benefit from his country's sport federation or whatever but most people are just rooting for their country's athlete just because it's the same country.

I think that unconsciously the human brain is always seeking a tribe for maximum chances of survival and since humans settled some millenias ago this nature of us has been covered by society's organisation, but deep down it's still there at all levels (from skin color, religions, politics to sports team, flats/clipless, etc), so the whole idea of the olympics is meeeh to me.
  • 1 0
 It can't happen. The number one reason is that you would require a mountain - making it the only sport in the summer olympics to require that kind of terrain. The entire summer games will be limited to certain regions for a single sport.
  • 1 0
 The comparison to skateboarding/surfing as Olympic sports seems shallow. Sure the cultures have similar roots, but one is a timed event with objective winners and losers, the other a subjectively judged style event.

That’s important because niche subjective sports tend to have more politics and controversy involved and are more vulnerable to outside influences. For example, judge selection at the olympics could change how the sport progresses and influence the image athletes present at these events. Might not want to invite an 800lb gorilla with wads of cash in.

But the clock doesn’t care what you wear, how long your hair is or if you say dumb things. And at the end of the day, you don’t have to have “Brage was robbed” type debates.

So I don’t know if DH belongs in the olympics, but skateboarding and surfing aren’t terribly similar.
  • 1 0
 I don't trust the Olympics to get it right. When I want to watch Olympics that really just means I want to watch track and field. Let mountain biking be mountain biking. Let the Olympics be Ryan Crouser destroying everyone in shot put. Thats all I really want to see
  • 1 0
 Comparing DH to many sports already in the Olympics then its hard to argue why it shouldn't be included. But for the sake of the Olympics I would like to see a lot of sports removed from such as football, golf, dressage, shooting, skateboarding, surfing to name but a few.as for me they have devalued the event..
  • 1 0
 Look at some of the rubbish, boring, so called sports that ARE included. So on the face if it it makes it seem odd to me that a sport as exciting as DH isn't. Its not alone though; consider Squash, a sport that ticks all the boxes but gets overlooked in favour of surfing or it might've been skate boarding or some other shizzle. I guess there are complex reasons why not but i hope they can be overcome and I'll see DH in the games within my lifetime - I'm the wrong side of 50.
  • 2 0
 WTF Why is nobody advocating for bicycle jousting. The blood! The gore! And you get to drink grog from a flogon made with the skull of your foes. That's the shit I'm talking about. F#ck DH.
  • 1 0
 It's a more natural fit than freestyle BMX was. Mainly because the UCI already have their dirty mitts on DH and DH is a lot more corporate. I think downhill could do well in it but UCI should f*ck off out of BMX and possibly DH (don't know enough about DH). UCI have become like all big organisations all about the rules for the sake of rules rather than concentrating on the sport.
  • 1 0
 Surely the main reason it isn't (and shouldn't) be in the olympics is because there's a high chance of medals being decided in no small part due to weather.

XC can be in because they all race at the same time. BMX can be in because it's an elimination, so even if it rains it's still fair and equal inside each moto.

But DH... an individual time-trial during which the weather can change conditions significantly? I guess you could argue the same of the road race time-trial, but I think the variation/effect could be a lot stronger on a DH course.

I think the only way DH could be in the olympics would be if it was modified into an eliminator sport, like BMX. Think a widely-taped track with huge amount of line choice and "motos" of 8 rider mass-starts... Wait, that sounds awesome, why aren't we doing this already?
  • 5 0
 Ramps, lots of ramps.
  • 1 0
 Especially if it rains.
  • 1 0
 Basically, it should just be the Hardline course. Would be epic!
  • 5 1
 I would rather watch DH then XC by like ALOT
  • 2 1
 can this be upvoted to infinity?
  • 2 1
 We should be discussing why is 3 on 3 basketball in the Olympic’s….your already watching the best the world has to offer with just normal basketball. 3 on 3 was hard to watch for more than a couple mins
  • 5 1
 I just think they need to actually ban Russia. Olympics is so soft
  • 2 0
 Seriously. This “oh you can’t compete under the Russian flag so we’ll just call you the ROC” is BS. Like they give a shit, those cheating f&cks still get to compete.
  • 1 1
 For a large number of athletes, they only receive any govt funding if its an olympic code. Which then trickles into sports hubs, high performance coaching, available resources and national federations. If it were olympic, then DH riders would have the same support. And when you consider the participation rates, event numbers and how well some riders do on the world stage. It doesn't seem at all fair. Take NZ with a ton of world cup level dhers not getting a bean. And a couple of xco riders have all the resources available. The contrast is stark. Not taking away from the xco riders. They deserve everything and more than they currently recieve.
  • 3 0
 Whether it should or shouldn’t be is largely irrelevant.
The IOC’s prime concern is how they can cash in.
  • 1 0
 Personally I don’t care for judged events. There’s always opinions and bias. In racing there is one clear-cut winner. The clock doesn’t lie and it doesn’t care about your reputation.
  • 1 0
 All these XC racers based their whole year on the Olympics and then one flat, chain drop or crash ruins their whole year instead of just focusing on races week to week in the World Cup. it's dumb.
  • 2 0
 The world champs should be the pinnacle, not some over hyped race held every four years.
  • 2 0
 If they put DH in the olympics then they should not use existing WC DH courses. If they did that it would just feel like another WC.
  • 1 0
 Downhill would awesome! They only problem is there may not be a suitable venue. Like for instance Atlanta back in the day. Nothing for world class dh. That could be a problem for many places.
  • 1 0
 Winter Olympics are usually in a snow resort.
  • 1 0
 @zoobab2: That is true.
  • 2 0
 Why on earth do we want to be a part of a massive cash grabbing corrupt organization that has nearly bankrupted many host cities.
  • 1 1
 Ofc it should be in the Olympics. All of the polls does not matter. high price? So is equestrian. accessibility? People would go.. probably become the most popular event. Location? They'd make it work. - DH biking is the ultimate kind of biking. The F1 of bikes. Seeing all the new events they added and not DH is disappointing. It should not be a popularity contest, The "Mountain Biking" I could do on my road bike. Most of them are road riders who switched. And it's basically lawn mower racing compared to DH. The BMX racing is cool. But it's 30 y/o men on kids bikes. Why would it be good to be in the Olympics? Because it deserves to be recognised. Don't care if it means more or less UCI events. Most people never get to watch DH races because it's never on TV.. you have to know when are where to watch it. If it's in the Olympics DH biking would grow and grow. A lot of people have no idea the different between MTB and DH. You can't deny it's the ultimate form of biking and be good for the sport.
  • 1 2
 The olympics are considered by a lot of traditional world participated sports as the pinnacle of competition, so why not? Some of those sports are losing their appeal and the IOC needs to bring the olympics to as many people as possible to stay viable and current. I think its great for all sports on that level to have as many sports and people represented for those that want to compete
  • 1 0
 Theres the reality of world wide participation. DH dont have that.
  • 5 2
 Prefer not to already enough people biking surfing climbing and such.
  • 2 1
 The olympics further calibration for the new era. How is equestrian is still a thing? Let's at least do sports where at least a human is judged on their performance.
  • 2 0
 Yeah sure because the Olympics have such a proven track record of contributing rather than detracting from sports.
  • 1 0
 just thinking on the requirement of a mountain and the parallels to ocean for surfing. How is Paris (2024 site) going to run a surfing competition?
  • 3 0
 Tahiti. Its a sick wave.
  • 3 0
 Hot take: divest from the Olympics entirely across all sports.
  • 4 2
 does someone even watch Olympics? it is 2021 nobody ives a s* about Olympics at all
  • 1 0
 I watched BMX.
  • 2 0
 I’ve really enjoyed them this year
  • 1 0
 @fruitsd79: Racing or freestyle park? totally different sports.
  • 1 0
 @DarrellW: back in my day a BMXer did both.
  • 2 0
 I believe in equality of outcomes so racing in general should be banned so everyone gets to be a winner
  • 2 0
 Worst survey ever, barring the first question all the responses were the same answer, no option to disagree!
  • 3 1
 If BMX can be an Olympic sport, there's zero argument to be made against DH being there as well.
  • 3 0
 Except that Pidcock will win the DH-Olympics held in the Netherlands Wink
  • 2 0
 @paulpimml: but VdP would have the home advantage, they'd probably even tell him when the ramp's not there...
  • 1 1
 You'd need to specify what you mean by BMX - racing or Park. I had zero concerns about BMX racing being an Olympic thing - it's full UCI anyway. I was concerned about BMX park, but having watched it, it really felt like FISE. If they can do that right, they should be able to do downhill.

Let's see them do Florideah Swampfest though
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=XSdgYWwcs8o&feature=emb_logo
  • 3 0
 I'm still hopeful "Dueling Pistols" will return to the Olympics.
  • 1 0
 It would be fantastic for the sport! And most of the televised coverage of the cross country event was focused on the rock drop anyway. They know what people want to see!
  • 1 0
 Based on the fake ass terrain I saw in the XC course, having DH in the Olympics would make Sea Otter look like a gnarly course.
  • 5 4
 You forgot the only correct answer in the final poll question.
"XC is boring af and shouldn't be the only representation of mountain biking in the Olympics."
  • 4 1
 Golly, so many Americans opinions here that arent worth jack.
  • 2 0
 @ColquhounerHooner: No ones opinions matter. Mine doesn't, Bobtheguy's doesn't and yours doesn't.
  • 2 0
 @Thirty3: they all matter to PB ad revenue
  • 1 0
 I don't know . Lately Rampage and Red Bull Hardline are my favorite venues to watch. Olympics , why not trials . Dual slalom. Slope style?
  • 2 1
 DH>xc dh should have been the first in the Olympics logistically it makes the most sense easy to spectate film and far more interesting and exiting in my opinion
  • 1 0
 naw, it shouldn't be a sport because none of the fastest guys would be able to attend, as they are in racial sensitivity classes then....
  • 1 1
 The question really is, how highly would the downhillers rate an Olympic medal. Activities that don't deserve to be there include ones that are judge scoring based. Gymnastics for instance, is absolute nonsense.
  • 1 0
 Cost. With lumber prices they would have to make so many ladders to put in front of all the drops. Then they would have to pay a pretty large crew to secretly remove them.
  • 1 0
 I say why not. Olympics means more races to watch, which means seeing more DH racers hurling themselves down mountain more often. Win win for me.
  • 6 4
 Better DH than golf or table tennis
  • 7 0
 Table tennis is wicked in the Olympics!
  • 3 1
 So we're not gonna mention ENDURO??
  • 4 1
 Enduro is newer and a whole lot harder to organize given the size and scope of courses. DH would be the natural addition for mtb in the olympics given its relative ease of only having 1 course. But enduro should put feelers out for inclusion at some point. Dislike of the Olympic establishment and corruption aside, it is hands down the biggest international sporting event for multiple sports so the visibility would be good.
  • 6 1
 They couldn't cope with Olympic anti doping procedures
  • 3 0
 @Bobadeebob: not everyone accidentally drank his mate’s accidentally tainted water.
  • 2 0
 Isn't the BMX racing a combination of road cycling and downhill now?
  • 2 0
 More like track and dirt jumping.
  • 1 0
 Dirt jumping is judged, DH there is a clear winner. Plus, have you seen the height of the start hill? That is just like DH.
  • 1 0
 No. See the the guy with gears on his bike. Last in every semi.
  • 1 0
 Yes, maybe, but it makes for great TV.
  • 2 0
 Anything to get more high level dh races tbh...
  • 1 1
 Yes to olympic DH. It's a timed event so no subjectiveness, you need to be fit and very skilled. Definitely should be an olympic event. DH skiing is!
  • 1 0
 I think that Downcountry should be the next discipline of mountain biking to be included
  • 1 0
 there's DH skiing .. it just makes more sense than BMX, surfing, and a handful of others events
  • 3 0
 Rampage in the olympics.
  • 1 0
 If curling is an Olympic sport, Downhill Mtb should’ve been added years ago
  • 1 0
 How about more doing and less spectating. Haven't watched any of the olympics because I was... riding.
  • 1 0
 If Downhill was in the Olympics then we're all going to be wearing lycra lol . More Redbull hardline tracks please
  • 2 0
 Only if you want me to watch the Olympics again.
  • 1 0
 eBike enduro should be! A sneaky way to insert motor sports into the Olympics mindset :-)
  • 1 0
 I don't see why DH is any less deserving of an Olympic spot than beach volleyball.
  • 1 0
 I still don't understand after 20 years of xc on olympics there's no DH whatsoever... why?
  • 1 0
 Cycling is like skiing as far as olympics are concerned, we should have xc, downhill, slope style, slalom, enduro
  • 2 4
 I’m struggling to understand how a obese woman throwing a steel ball as far as she can is an actual Olympic event. Honestly, the Olympics have been corrupt for decades and don’t deserve to exist as long as the corruption remains. I’ll add, I can’t even really watch most of it as some of the host are the same political talking heads that spent five years telling lies about President Trump. Love em or hate em, I don’t want the news presenters opinion….I just want facts.
  • 1 2
 But an obese man throwing a steel ball as far as he can should be an actual Olympic event?
  • 1 0
 @korev: hell no
  • 2 1
 @JosephDunbar: then why not just say "people throwing a steel ball..."?
  • 1 0
 DH is long overdue to join the olympics. But I think I would rather see enduro be a part of the games.
  • 1 0
 The politics and regulation of the olympics would ruin it. Go big or go home.
  • 1 1
 Even more so than Downhill, Enduro and Slopestyle should be in the Olympics, the former being timed and the latter being judged.
  • 1 1
 YES.

And just imagine what it'd do for ratings!? I don't understand why it isn't already.
  • 2 0
 Ratings? It will never make primetime spots. The western nations are too busy ramming gymnastics and swimming down viewers throats. These sports are perfect for TV... It's not one and done, these athletes get like a dozen different medal chances in a dozen different events, so the media can build up the hype train and create storied heroes.
  • 1 1
 Also major inequality in equipment. Closer to mx than xc in equipment cost for top riders vs bottom.
  • 3 1
 I disagree, bike is majority of cost and you can be competitive on a heavy (inexpensive) DH bike, where with XC you essentially have to use a high end/light weight bike to be competitive.
  • 1 2
 @unusual-bread: I am thinking actually suspension and tires.

Top guys have major advantages these
  • 1 1
 With these
  • 1 1
 Have you not seen Cool Runnings?
  • 2 0
 MVDP does not approve
  • 2 0
 Not enough ramps
  • 1 0
 So funny
  • 1 0
 Yes, Yes and Yes, downhill skiing is in for god's sake
  • 1 2
 Slopestyle makes more sense for the Olympics. It can be set up anywhere and it has the instant wow factor any non-biker would be impressed by.
  • 1 0
 Norbs got robbed by the French judge.
  • 1 2
 Olympics are where sports go to die. It gives short term credibility and boost but competition quickly dies due to over regulations and higher barrier of entry
  • 1 0
 Can't see that on olympic XC or even road races.
  • 2 2
 Who cares? The Olympics is shaping up to be a joke. No one seems to care about it, anymore.
  • 1 0
 We have hurling, badminton, … so that door has been busted
  • 1 0
 This years XC was a down hill event…..ask MVP
  • 1 0
 heck yeah!! and bring back the skinsuit!!!
  • 2 2
 @Henry it’s not less world cups, it’s fewer.
  • 1 0
 It depends on how high the person can count to.
  • 1 2
 I think the UCI should establish E-Bike-DH first before the sport takes the next big step to the Olympics..
  • 1 0
 The problem with this is they will basically just be motocross bikes unless they set limit on weight and battery / tyres ect
  • 2 0
 I think the UCI should focus on chainless E-bike DH before they look at anything else.
  • 3 3
 Is XC even mountain biking?
  • 1 0
 is dh even mountain biking?
  • 4 3
 Fuck the olympics.
  • 1 0
 Summer or winter ?
  • 2 5
 The question should be should a man be able to complete in woman’s sport???
  • 1 0
 men don't compete in womens categories.
  • 1 0
 Wait did you call dh a woman's sport or are you making a testosterone point
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