We finally did it. After just 14 creative workshops where we learned to talk over each other with confidence, we've duct taped an iPhone onto the opposing wall and recorded a talk show.
For the first episode, we discuss the story of the week, Shimano Linkglide, as well as the Mikes holding me to account for some of my shallow opinions.
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"Wade Simmons - you are the father"
*Josh Bender runs off stage screaming
She also decided one time to randomly check behind her, stopped in the middle of the trail and cause 2 riders in the opposite direction both to crash. I really think she's less trouble and danger than riding with a newb, but I would be absolutely livid if someone's dog caused me to crash.
Can I make a case for fans of Fillmore valves?
Outside: pay him whatever it takes. This is what mtb needs.
I really hate dogs that are not on a leash during winter and breeding season (spring / early summer for most animals) as well... Or was it the dog owners? Anyways - if your dog is a danger to other animals: take it on a leash (yes, small dogs are also a danger because they can shy away the young roe deer who wait in the bushes for their moms. If they have to flee because of dogs, it might not get found again by their mom).
Also cats! Why tf does someone in the suburbs have a cat!? They're just causing biodiversity to sink like the swissair share before grounding!
If you own a cat - keep it inside or leashed! Birds, lizards, different rodents and other cute animals (way cuter than your cat!) will thank you!
Proper cats only start at 40cm shoulder height anyways :-P
Keep your wits about you out there!
Always good to hear some real debate though!
installed a M10 chromo full axle with bolts, no more broken axles. Henry is 100% right. Everyone wants a lighter bike, but we also don't want to spend money on stuff that wont last the weekend. We aren't there yet
Next show do a tour of Levy's sim rig. You guys could get all Top Gear (that was sort of a talk show) and mount a sim rig to an MTB and ride it down Hueso while lapping Suzuka. Or how about a star on a reasonably priced bike?
Love ya boys.
I'm aware of my Steel bike's weight, and burly WTB wheels which could be nice to upgraydd with carbon hoops, but I'd prob break em pretty fast...it's not my intention (or my bike's geo) to pop n jibb off every feature. I just enjoy pissing off my FS friends when they can't gap me because I'm hulk-smashing through every feature with reckless abandon and maniacal laughter. So what if I have to ice bof my knees afterward.
Too light is a compromise in durability and stability
Too heavy is too inefficient on uphills and mobility
And I’d say the range for Dh would be 35-39
Anything under 33 is trail bike weight
Trade the Outside water bottle for a box of Tim's donuts to up the prop game. Plus, Mike & Mike could use a donut or 3.
I don’t agree with with him on heavier is better, though.
Heavier is only better if you live in super gnarly mountains( Sea to Sky for instance). AND you ride 4-5 times a week minimum. For the rest of us, lighter is better. My old enduro bike weighed 30/31 pounds and was raced on the EWS with no issues…
Not by much, 195-200lbs with gear.
There’s always room for improvement, but I feel like th industry is trying to build bikes for all sorts of riders, big, small, etc.
I have a friend of mine who rides above 220lbs, he picks his parts to be a little stronger, but his bikes generally don’t break or have problems on the trails.
industry obsession with low weight in products pushes the products in that direction. It has improved over the years but it still is present.
Henry is correct overall if someone rides off road. Light weight components can survive on pavement but repeated hits of mountain biking strain light weight components especially under larger riders.
I was riding with my buddy this weekend. He’s 280lbs. He rides on Spank aluminum wheels and E13 carbon. His bike is a niner WFO RDO, 160/170 mm travel, weighs around 33 pounds( with pedals). He rides on a Fox Float X, and he rarely breaks parts or has problems with it on the trail.
Bikes don’t “need” to be 35-40lbs. They can be light and strong, but expensive. Now days, I feel like bikes are getting strong, heavy and expensive…
Bike manufacturers will continue to increase the weight of their components to reduce their warranty claims as a heavier weight product will have a greater degree of durability. Cannot change simple science.
Bikes do not need to be light at the expense of durability is what Henry is stating. The majority of riders are not being paid for their performance on the machine. And those that are being paid are not necessarily riding components with heavy hour usage. And how many people actually time their uphill climbs as opposed to the majority that are concerned about their downhill times?
Bike weight is generally a marketing ploy to generate a market for high high price components.
Why shouldn't you put a wide range drivetrain and dropper on a DH bike. Remove preconceived notions of pedalling efficiency etc.....
There are DH bikes out there with firm pedalling platforms, resonable STA (~75) and climb switches at a reasonable weight.
Eg: My Banshee Lengend 29 has better dropper insertion length than my Enduro, reasonable STA,similar HTA, reach etc.... and genuinely feels more efficient to pedal (for better or worse)..... and weighs less than my Enduro. (maybe the same or a bit more with a dropper and proper drivetrain).... I'm having a hard time explaining to myself why I wouldnt toss on a dropper and wide range drivetrain for a bit of fun. Would this make my Enduro Obsolete?
It is sort of like Henry's position on getting on with the weight increase to match performance. Long travel Enduro bikes are becoming more popular, dual crown enduro forks......exist, and most shocks have climb switches. In this trajectory, isnt an aggressive enduro just trending towards being a DH bike with 20-30mm less travel?
We must live with the devil that let's us listen to Henry for free.
The comments he's referencing from the video is that the total sales of lower-end drive trains completely dwarf those of XTR. Let's assume that's true (I think it is) and set it aside. That means that Shimano's bike division could drop XTR from its lineup and expect to not see much impact on the bottom line. However, Shimano's credibility comes from its popularity in the enthusiast market so that remains relevant to "core" cyclists.
OK, with that out of the way, if we expand our view to the whole Shimano company, we could probably drop Shimano's bike division, the loss in revenue would be insignificant.
I personally don't know if that's true, but I think that's the actual point.
The park tool sponsor would be less valuable.
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