The Ibis DV9 Hardtail is Back

Feb 6, 2023 at 15:50
by Ibis Cycles  

PRESS RELEASE: Ibis Cycles

The DV9 is back! A do-it-all carbon fiber hardtail designed to take you from the trailhead to the starting line, with a session at the pump track in between. Lighter weight, with up to date geometry, and engineered to the same exacting standards as the rest of our line, it packs a ton of performance in a more accessible price.

The idea to develop high quality bikes accessible to more riders came from a high school MTB team practice. Ibis co-owner Hans Heim was helping his daughter's team and noticed many kids were at a disadvantage because of their equipment.



The result was the original DV9 (and our range of award-winning Aluminum Frame models). For the new DV9, our design goal remained the same - build a light and fast bike that a high school student could pay off with a summer job. We also launched a program with local Ibis dealers to offer a discount to NICA athletes and coaches.


The geometry of the completely redesigned DV9 is similar to the World Cup winning Ibis Exie USA. The DV9 comes with a 120mm fork and is compatible with forks from 100 to 140mm travel. The head angle is now one degree slacker at 66.5°. We’ve also steepened the seat tube angle by 2-4 degrees, depending on size. Size-specific seat tube angles improve your fore-aft balance on the bike while reducing knee and wrist strain.


The reach grew by 30mm on the medium and by 48mm on the large, bringing them to 435mm and 470mm, respectively. We’ve sloped the downtube to lower the standover by 53mm, dramatically improving the fit for smaller riders.


Despite how compact the frame is, every size can run a long dropper and two water bottles, including the small. We’ve also shortened the chainstays by 14mm, bringing them to an ultra-playful 425mm.



There’s clearance for 2.6” tires, 203mm rotors and 4-piston brakes. Other improvements to make life better: easy to use internal tube-in-tube cable routing, a drop in headset, full coverage rubber chainstay and downtube protectors, and a slick upper chain guide.


The Maxxis Factory Race Team has extensively raced discretely painted prototypes. Hayley Smith took one to a podium at Leadville in its first outing. She also clinched the inaugural Lifetime Grand Prix aboard this prototype (in conjunction with the Hakka MX and Exie USA).




The DV9 frame retails for $1,499. Complete bikes start at $3,499. The frame is available in four sizes (S-XL) and will accommodate riders 5’ to 6’6” (152cm to 198 cm). It’s available now.


For more information, visit Ibis Cycles. Find your nearest dealer here

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247 Comments

  • 275 54
 There is no right reason in the world as to why that top tube is more bent that boiled spaghetti. Straighten it out and make a nice looking bike, not one that's run head first into the side of a cliff.
  • 36 8
 I thought the same thing. They trying to make it look different? Rather have a nice looking bike that looks like all the rest than something that makes it look dumb.
  • 43 3
 maybe they let an ibis do the job

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/American_White_IbisII.jpg/800px-American_White_IbisII.jpg
  • 31 5
 I think the Purple one looks amazing
  • 54 2
 i feel like maybe nobody realizes that the ibis (like, the bird) has a bent neck, like ibis top tubes. It may be an intentional design choice
  • 15 14
 Yeah there is: Bar clearance
  • 44 3
 It’s almost as if you’ve never seen any of this iconic bike brand’s bikes before!
  • 9 7
 @SATN-XC: Toast is great to if toasted right and not burnt. They overcooked the TT
  • 29 0
 Besides aesthetics there’s no reason to have top tube up high where your knees and bars can hit. As long as bike is strong and light: Lower the better as far as I’m concerned.
  • 6 1
 I personally like my highball's straight top tube, but maybe Ibis isn't trying to be like everyone else?
  • 18 9
 @astralzombie: You're right. They have to keep the ugliness consistent.
  • 4 2
 @sevensixtwo: spare us from your promiscuous lifestyle please
  • 49 5
 Maybe if you cared to read the article: "We’ve sloped the downtube to lower the standover by 53mm, dramatically improving the fit for smaller riders."

Standover is critical for short riders, sloped downtubes on bikes like these increase confidence, and remember, this is a bike aimed for NICA, not everyone is 6' tall.
  • 22 19
 But it's an Ibis. Ugly is part of the look LOL
  • 2 1
 @marcoaml78: this
  • 9 18
flag danstonQ (Feb 7, 2023 at 10:42) (Below Threshold)
 Hey Ibis: stop to put your fat asses on the top tube when you build your bikes.
  • 12 13
 @marcoaml78: But there is NO reason to do in in a hardtail! You can just make the ST/TT junction lower ... This is required on full suspension bikes where you cannot lower the junction because you collide with suspension or run out of waterbottle space.
  • 34 4
 @lkubica: There's A LOT of reasons to do it on a hardtail, for this particular one, fitting a water bottle in the Seat tube was a priority as well, you cannot add a water bottle space to the seat tube, have low standover AND have a straight toptube.

Seriously man, it's basic geometry.
  • 8 0
 to be fair, it's completely straight in the back half
  • 1 0
 I'd be more on board if it was one curve and not the goofy compound curve. That said, if the frames ever pop on on super sale at $1000 ish i'd be very tempted.
  • 11 16
flag hamncheez (Feb 7, 2023 at 11:42) (Below Threshold)
 www.pinkbike.com/photo/20600723


They managed to make a hard tail ugly. Thats impressive.

You can have good standover without making the bike hideous

ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb13636181/p5pb13636181.jpg
  • 6 1
 Ibis gonna Ibis.
  • 1 0
 @SATN-XC:
  • 7 0
 Actually it's ball clearance for us short riders
  • 8 2
 I think what people are missing is the engineering thought process behind the curved top tube. The goal is for stand lover clearance. Now with carbon molds and aluminum hydroforming, different shapes can be made. What is stronger a straight sloping top tube with a brace in front of the seat tube connected to the top tube or a curved top tube? Apply this to aluminum and you get an ugly welded brace vs a hydro formed top tube like on a ibis ripmo af
  • 9 0
 I appreciate more standover height.
  • 2 0
 @TheR: nailed it
  • 5 3
 @jdendy: 9 out of 10 times, the straight tube with a brace is going to be stronger than a curved tube. Especially when hydroforming metal.
  • 4 4
 @hardtailparty @dchill There are plenty of bikes with a straighter top tube with equal or better clearance.
  • 1 2
 @rickybobby18: Doesn't mean it was the 'right' design choice though...
  • 4 1
 @hamncheez: notice lack of 2nd bottle cage in main triangle...
  • 9 4
 @Max5480:

You are not the customer that ibis is looking for. They resurrected the company by creating a bike that looked different than anything else at the time, and intentionally hired a non-bike designer to design the bike for exactly that reason.

If you want something that looks like a session, go buy a Trek…
  • 9 7
 @jdendy: The top tube is under compression. Adding a bend is going to weaken the structure as you've already shown the material in which direction to buckle. To resist this, you're going to have to add material, and thus add weight. A straight top tube will always be stronger.

So if I consider the engineering thought process here, I would say that it was a poor thought process.

They have achieved, at best 10mm additional standover height, which could have been more easily achieved with a straight top tube terminating at the seatstay junction that is designed 15mm lower. In so doing this, you also make the rear triangle smaller, and therefore stronger. A good engineer could then play around with the layup in the rear triangle to take a little weight out of there too.

So, yes, considering their engineering thought process, I would say that they have made an inferior frame to what they could have made.
  • 20 6
 @handynzl: please post a link to the frame you've brought to market. Thx.
  • 3 3
 @hamncheez: Yeah, but that bike doesn't hold a water bottle on the seat tube...there isn't room.
  • 2 0
 @captaingrumpy: having a bend should also increase weight
  • 1 2
 @myette10: not relevant
  • 3 0
 Looks better than the new aluminum Kona Process. Used to think the 134 was one of the best looking bikes, but it looks like it hit a tree (the carbon look a little better.)
  • 1 1
 @marcoaml78: What if someone made a bike with a low enough top tube to put the water bottle on the top of the top tube?? Always thought this would be the most accessible place. I had a Process 134 that probably would have been low enough for something like this.
  • 2 0
 @rickybobby18: bin chicken!!
  • 1 4
 @astralzombie: It's almost as if this iconic brand continues to ignore the overwhelmingly negative comments towards most of their recent bike design...

One thing the Oso does right is the top tube.
  • 12 0
 As the husband of a wife who is 5'3" with a short inseam, Ibis bikes are some of the few she can actually stand over. One of their designers is like 5'0" which is why they curve their top tubes...so more folks can ride their bikes. Much more concerned with how the bike functions than everyone's opinions about how they look and personally am glad Ibis thinks about a wide range of riders when they design their bikes.
  • 4 0
 @matthewralph: This. 2 water bottles and a long dropper on the size small DV9. Ibis builds good bikes for shorter people.
  • 1 1
 @wburnes: why not? contributing such detailed feedback suggests a strong command of the subject matter and in this case, the probability of a better alternative to the DV9. I'd just like too see it.
  • 3 1
 @myette10: I may not have brought a bike to market, but I have designed and brought to market over $US150-million of rail infrastructure equipment and heavy road transport equipment. So maybe, just maybe, I understand engineering?
  • 1 0
 I don’t know. That could be a very important inch.
  • 2 1
 @handynzl: Your knowledge of engineering clearly doesnt qualify you to design a bike. consumers value a second bottle cage in the main triangle more than the handful of grams saved by making a straighter, lower junction top tube.
-someone who's worked in the bike industry for 7+ years and understands designing a bike is more than just an engineering project
  • 3 1
 @handynzl: You wasted all of the engineering knowledge on rail infrastructure and the PB comments section when you could have been out performing Ibis. That's a missed opportunity!
  • 2 0
 That kinked top tube makes me nauseous. Literally the ford torus of bikes… but overpriced.
  • 1 0
 @dpinx3: CnB clearance too!
  • 5 2
 @marcoaml78: BREAKING: Online bike mob knows how to design bikes better than engineer.

These armchair bike designers are getting awfully uppitty these days eh?
  • 3 1
 @Apollok: I don’t really know if it’s that — most people here just don’t like the curves in the top tube. Maybe it’s functional, maybe there’s a purpose, but it’s also an Ibis thing. It’s their look, for better or worse. And many of us think it’s ugly as hell.

You don’t think there is a way not to make that tube straight and the bike strong and functional? Of course there is — tons of engineers and designers at other companies do it all the time. Do Ibis engineers hold some mystical knowledge beyond other bike designers and engineers? Of course not. But this is what they did. Functionally, it’s not any better or worse than a lot of options out there, so let’s stop pretending it is. Ibis chose a design that’s extremely polarizing, that’s all.
  • 1 0
 @Apollok: in the mobs defense, most of the comments here are about the aesthetics with price a distant second. There are only a few Monday morning quarterbacks sounding the structural integrity alarm.

I wonder if the 1st gen DV9 was this polarizing, as it too had a kinked tt.
  • 1 0
 @dchill: Ball clearance like wearing a hoodie upside down to carry these things to the bottom of the run like DANNY HART.

thanks @ rob warner
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: God damn it, I really want to disagree, but youre pretty correct on this one.
  • 1 0
 @davemays: couple of threaded ferrules, a drill, and some decent measuring, and you could prolly give it a go. Putting a 1/4" hole in your frame shouldnt do anything to it
  • 1 0
 @matthewralph: sure, but does the medium, large, and xl need to be the same?
loads of small full sus bikes have bent top tubes to accomodate a shorter rider, while still packaging the linkage design in there
  • 2 0
 @MecoBikes: So the Cadillac Escalade of bikes, overpriced, ugly. Wait, the Porsche Panamera of bikes, well engineered (maybe) ugly, not great value.
  • 1 1
 @handynzl: If you ever just missed smashing your balls on the top tube, you'd probably be happy that they used an extra 10g of carbon to give you that extra 10mm of clearance.
  • 1 0
 @davemays: Imagine catching your ballsack in the bottle cage. Ouch.
  • 3 0
 @TucsonDon: You're missing the point. You can achieve the 10mm without bending the tube like Ibis have. It's not make the tube straight and be damned with anyones undercarriage.
  • 2 2
 @handynzl: you have said a lot of stuff in this thread about aesthetics and clearance and your resume and structural integrity, but you haven’t once mentioned the second bottle… that’s what’s going on. Maximize the stand over and fit a second bottle… that’s why. that’s it nothing more. If you don’t like the practical design want a straight too tube second bottle and higher stand over go by a fuse or something. Want a straight tube don’t care about second bottle there are lots of those hard tails too
  • 2 2
 @deez-nucks: most people do not need two water bottles. You could probably need them if competing in marathon or doing longs rides in very hot climate (but then even two bottles may be not enough). Long ride = backpack because the water is not the only thing. I love water bottles but cannot imagine more than 1% of people using them on a trail hardtail, and then maybe 10% of those 1% are on S/CS frames (but I also cannot imagine spending money on a carbon hardtail other than for racing, so maybe Ibis is right, this is so niche bike that 2 bottles may be a good thing).
  • 2 0
 @deez-nucks: Ok. I can square that one away. I have a Rocky Mountain Element..it's full suspension and has two water bottles. You seem to be believing that a slightly lower top tube precludes you from fitting two water bottles. It doesn't. It never did in the 1990s when we all had steel straight tube frames, and nor does it today. Even on bikes with a shock hanging under the top tube.
  • 3 2
 @lkubica: super cool that youve decided what other people feel are important to them, thank bid you’re around to tell people they’re wrong for wanting to carry a second water bottle on their bike!

Muffin-stump
  • 1 1
 @lkubica: 2 water bottles are perfect for trail rides! Especially for rides above 10mi to around 30mi. The bottles shift the weight down low for better center of gravity, and it frees up your body to move around. Plus, it's really comfortable. Give it a try you might really it!
  • 2 0
 Super low standover, good aesthetics, straight top tube, two water bottles, what am I missing?

ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb15814535/p5pb15814535.jpg
ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb19390167/p4pb19390167.jpg
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Excellent mic drop. Can people let this die now? OK, thanks, bye.
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: It simply cant be done!

That being said, aesthetically the Niners not a winner,
but they make the bike, and they get to make whatever they want, which is cool.

Maybe theres no "right" here, just different. And we will all know that bike as soon as we see one on trail, so job done I guess
  • 152 4
 "Huh, the top tube isn't perfectly straight. I'm sure Pinkers will respond in the comments with a calm, rational-"

**TERROR, CONFUSION, ANGER**
  • 3 2
 I don't take issue with it not being straight, I just think that the bent top tube aesthetic doesn't look good. It certainly is a distinguishing feature though and is probably something Ibis fans might appreciate.
  • 13 14
 It looks like a Walmart bike.
  • 1 3
 Have to wonder, how do you mess up a century old hard tail frame shape...
  • 5 0
 Yup, every time. I didn't even notice the top tube, then when I hit the comments I was like WTF is all this pearl clutching about and scrolled back up to the pictures. Bike looks fine, if anything it's nice to see a hardtail that isn't the same as so many others. Maybe I'm just used to looking at Ibis bikes but I definitely don't see a problem with the top tube shape.
  • 118 3
 *notices a need for more affordable bikes for kids at a disadvantage*

*builds carbon bike starting at $3499*
  • 60 1
 hans heim throwing major lucille bluth vibes

"It's one banana, Michael. What could it cost, $10?"
  • 12 1
 exactly, i assumed it would be around 2k with a deore build.
  • 5 0
 Budget lol
  • 8 0
 Yeah I wish they would make an aluminum version that could be around 2000. You can get a specialized chisel for 1800 bucks which looks like a nice entry level XC bike.
  • 1 2
 @Torbo24: That’s Al frame money.
  • 12 0
 Yeah, "a price a kid can pay off with a summer job"........ If you factor in sales tax, how many high school kids clear close to $4k over a summer after beer money?
  • 2 0
 Hard to see how this is a better value than a Specialized Chisel. Buy a new Chisel and swap in some better wheels and components for the same price or save the cash for repairs and upgrades along the way. Maybe that's why Chisels are completely sold out around here. Carbon frame just doesn't add that much over a Chisel frame, which is pretty light and tough. Gotta have the bling, though.
  • 9 0
 @sfarnum: ok, so this frame is 1500 alone, and a complete is 3500. A ripmo AF is also 3500 for a complete with basically the same build, but the frame is 2200. So somehow Ibis can sell the same build kit for either 1300 on a FS frame or for 2000 dollars on a hardtail? Explain that to me, because it doesnt seem like the frame material is whats costing so much.
  • 5 1
 @dcaf: Seriously, you'd have to be crazy to take this over a Chisel or a Team Marin for a NICA racer. I'll give it to them that the standover is impressive but like.... how much do you really care about standover in a XC race?
  • 4 2
 @dcaf: Hm, summer is 3 months, so 12 weeks. At 40 hours/week and $15.50/hr CA min wage, you have $7440. Federal tax is 10%, CA tax is 1%, so call it $6600 net.

It's still an expensive bike, but it can be done.
  • 7 1
 I don't think Ibis understands what "disadvantaged" means. It means they don't have $3500 for a damn bike, and if they do, it wont be a carbon hardtail lol
  • 4 3
 This ceo is out of touch with reality.
  • 1 0
 @MtbSince84: No to get too technical, but kids today rarely get three months off. Most public schools barely get two. Plus, you forgot to factor in beer money.....
  • 2 0
 @MtbSince84: assuming a HS kid wants to spend 40 hours a week at a job while all their friends are having fun. Some kids are wired and brought up different, but I worked 20-40 hrs/ week summers and still spent almost all my money on food and stupid crap.
  • 4 0
 @MtbSince84: As a highschooler who has payed for his own bikes,not all people live in california. Most high schoolers where I live make 8-12$ an hour, and that is not including cost of driving, which is necessary for a better paying job. The chisel is by far a better option for any NICA rider though, it's what I race, and can be built fairly light, and the entry price is cheap especially with the discounts you can get.
  • 1 0
 @bkm303: exactly, these XC guys are only now just starting to come around to the idea that dropper posts might be a benefit to them, I’m not sure they care about kinked too tubes.

Personally I don’t like curve red or bent tubes, but that’s just me, lots of people obviously do as many bikes have them.
  • 2 0
 @11six: The kid either wants it, or not. Like you, I worked full-time in the summers, plus part-time during the school year (and 30+ hours a week later to get me through engineering school).
  • 2 0
 @bt006shreds: Fair enough. Like I said, it's an expensive bike. There are lower-cost alternatives, as you point out. My main point is that if a kid want to get a bike badly enough, they'll work and sacrifice for one. Happy racing!
  • 73 9
 As a former Nica racer I will label this as BS. $1500 for a frame for broke teenagers to race on is dumb. I know a guy who just built an entire Chinese carbon hardtail for $1100. Solid components, including a Rockshox Judy fork, used bontrager rims, PNW dropper, and so forth. It's 23 lbs. I raced on the same frame, but with light bicycle rims and no dropper and otherwise lighter stuff, and it came in at 20.5 lbs for about $2000.
  • 37 17
 You can trust no name Chinese carbon frames all you want. I like my teeth and appendages.
  • 15 14
 Chinese carbon frames are seriously underated, my dad has ridden a hardtail frame since 2012. Crazy amount of miles on it still holding fine. Better than a 1500 ibis frame
  • 9 0
 Yeah, I'm curious to see what the "discount to NICA athletes and coaches" is. With that said, NICA races around here have Supercalibers left and right and those are not exactly cheap.
  • 6 0
 @dualsuspensiondave: Honestly you're likely riding the same stuff that is branded or at the very least super close.
  • 3 2
 In Utah, the high schools around me average over 60 riders on their NICA teams. its crazy how much the sport has taken off.

This company was founded simply to import chinese open mould XC frames for NICA riders at as close to cost as viable. sprycycles.com
  • 5 2
 @dualsuspensiondave: Depends on the application. I would not ride anything over 130mm of travel, but if you're a 16 year old who weighs 130 pounds and ride XC trails on an XC bike, you'll be fine.
  • 11 1
 @marcoaml78: "We also launched a program with local Ibis dealers to offer a discount to NICA athletes and coaches."

I think the key word here is "local." I am a Level 3 NICA coach and they do not have a national discount (at least not currently).

Also there are more Supercalibers because Trek does have a national 25% discount for athletes and coaches.
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: I have been working recently to figure out if it is a viable business venture to do something like this. The thought came to me after I bought a Polygon Syncline C5, I upgraded wheels and tires and installed a dropper. I am $2200 in, the bike weighs right at 25lbs. Another $200 in Chinese carbon bits and I could have the bike down to 23lbs. I truly think a very decent 23lb NICA bike can be assembled for $1600. If a person wants to make a profit, sell the bikes for $2000.

Big to mid size companies are in it to profit. Yes big companies help out a ton, but ultimately it is all about profit.
  • 1 2
 @hamncheez: the 16 year olds around here are crazy good and always ripping wheelies and jumping off random stuff. Not sure your advice holds up.
  • 1 3
 @somebody-else: Is that what NICA riders are doing on their race courses? Is that how they train when doing XC training?
  • 1 2
 @j1sisslow: here is another guy trying the same thing (I've had mixed results from him) www.diycarbonbikes.com

The benefit of Utah is a very high metropolitan population with the youngest average age in the country (outside of American Samoa) with a huge biking scene. Makes it easier to get bulk shipments and have customers buy in person.
  • 1 0
 name checks out.
  • 1 3
 @hamncheez: kids have fun and way more energy than some xc training. Some coaches even encourage bike handling skills. Of course I’m in New England so we don’t ride on gravel covered hard pack like they do out west.
  • 2 0
 @HudsonBurnette: I rode one for three years with no issues. I paid $500 for the frame and built it up to just under 20lbs. Full 11sp X01, Fox 32, Roval Carbon wheels, Enve bar, Syntace post/stem.
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: diycarbonbikes was a major PITA from my experience. Waited months for the frame I paid for and eventually had to file a dispute with my bank (which I won) just to get my money back for the frame that never showed up. Buyer beware...
  • 3 0
 @Dustfarter: No, not really. There are specifications that Ibis (not made in China) and other top brands adhere to and there is no oversight for knock off Chinese frames. There’s a big reason for differences in price. Chinese knock off stuff is all garbage from my experience, regardless of the product.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Yeah, but most of us aren’t 16 and 130 pounds. So there’s that.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: LaMere cycles too
  • 2 0
 @barburutus: Sorry for your bad experience. I had a good experience with DIY (2 years ago). Built a Highball clone for a NICA racer. Transaction was smooth and the frame has been great.
  • 1 0
 Putting together a DTC Chinese knockoff bike with hand-picked parts is a tall order for a high-school kid. @ThatOneGuyInTheComments Your friend is an adult who has a lot of bike experience and knowledge. Hand-picking parts and trusting an offshore factory is time consuming and has lots of risks. Part compatibility is challenging even for shop mechs. Parent's usually don't have the required experience either unless they're a Pinkbiker. Your friend should publish a guide.
  • 1 0
 @sevensixtwo: No, he isn't an adult, he was fourteen when he built it, and he borrowed money from his parents and watched YouTube videos.
  • 2 0
 @sevensixtwo: if parts compatibility is challenging for a shop mechanic they need to find a new line of work
  • 1 0
 @ThatOneGuyInTheComments: This is starting to sound fishy. Wondering if your friend exists.
  • 1 0
 @sevensixtwo: Your suspicion is well-placed, being this the internet. I can give you a full parts list, and I will say he had a lot of help from his parents.
  • 1 0
 @bronco5: Glad you had a good experience. I was looking forward to the Epic HT clone. Pretty disappointing. Ended up with a Highball clone as well.
  • 58 1
 Why can't be like this

www.pinkbike.com/photo/24174117
  • 5 0
 Haha wow, that actually looks so much better, good job!
  • 44 6
 It's like they are on a crusade to be the worst looking bikes on the market. The rebrand from the iconic brass Ibis to the current...sticker. The Oso, being just god awful ugly, and then this busted looking frame... Gross, hopefully they ride well.
  • 3 3
 I had a previous gen DV9, and I could barely stomach the look for the price. Now they re-release the same frame (facepalm). Also the paint quality, and the borderline offensive dropper cable design made me write that brand off for good.
  • 31 1
 More photos of the 4WD van please
  • 23 0
 In other news, bike manufacturers are completely out-of-touch with the term "affordable".
  • 21 0
 It's a sweet bike but that whole affordable rant is shinanigans. It's a 4k hardtail after taxes with ngx. About as high end as a hardtail gets with nx components.
  • 8 0
 @rickybobby18: $3750 *aluminum* Santa Cruz chameleon with same parts says hold my beer.
  • 17 0
 If you need to make a carbon mold for each size (it's a hardtail so they can't share rear triangles)...why not make the chainstays size specific? I do not get it. Why would someone want a 425mm chainstay on a 511mm reach bike (AND that's before the 50mm stem on the Large and XL)?
  • 2 0
 Probably trying to keep the wheelbase down. It is apparently an XC bike and the XL is already quite long without extending the rear center.
  • 11 2
 @PhillipJ: FC/RC balance is far more important than overall wheelbase length.
  • 2 0
 @PhillipJ: that’s makes sense but you have to think people on the ends of the sizing spectrum would benefit from a bit of difference. Nothing extreme but if you’re making different molds having a few mm change would benefit the riding feel and balance
  • 2 0
 Because any competent XL sized xc racer wants to wheelie the entire course.
  • 2 5
 @mammal: I disagree, I think overall length makes a bigger difference to how a bike rides. I guess that's why there are lots of different shaped bikes.
  • 4 0
 One of the things about the prior DV9 were the 440mm chainstays.
  • 23 5
 Ibis has the "make a bike uglier than it needs to be" market totally cornered.
  • 2 1
 100
  • 21 3
 the top tube... why?
  • 13 0
 Well this sucks. I just contacted Ibis a couple of a few weeks ago to ask about this! They responded that the DV9 was not planned to be brought back or restocked, so I got a Chameleon instead. I am not happy about the geo and would definitely prefer this.
  • 6 0
 That's not cool of them.
  • 3 14
flag mbfysaulsalito (Feb 7, 2023 at 11:58) (Below Threshold)
 Sorry man, that's unlucky. Next time call a bike shop that sells ibis and not the competitor you are thinking about buying. Bike shops are in the loop, and it's in their best interest to sell you a bike that will be coming out in a couple weeks.
  • 12 0
 @mbfysaulsalito: I think he said he contacted Ibis, not the Santa Cruz dealer.
  • 1 0
 @dcaf: guess my wording was f*cked up... ment call a shop that sells ibis who doesn't stock SC.In hindsight it doesnt matter if you only call regarding an ibis ht
  • 16 2
 Ibis has never used straight lines. Not sure what all the fuss is
  • 21 9
 Looks like some fat ass sat on the top tube
  • 7 16
flag VelkePivo (Feb 7, 2023 at 10:05) (Below Threshold)
 The police will soon be visiting you to discuss your wrong-think on fat shaming
  • 8 0
 I think the ceo went around the office and said the classic "Take a look at this bad boy" slapping and bending the top tube of the clay prototype. And from there everyone just went with the new design because it was too awkward to tell.
  • 10 0
 I can't ride a bike with the same logo as a random "auto spa": www.pinkbike.com/photo/24174079
  • 2 0
 www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PgV_QPcXo Let your car be special
  • 1 0
 Ibis had that logo in the works well before that car wash opened. I can't say it without a doubt, but it seems highly likely that Ibis had developed that logo before White Swan did.
  • 8 1
 Assume the discount is 25%, that is $2,625 for Deore or NGX build, comes with a good fork and good brakes. This is getting close to being the bike kids need for NICA and other junior race events. However, the kids that do not have proper equipment probably have parents that are not into MTB. They are not shelling out this kind of money - I see it every single year as NICA coach. Kids who have parents into MTB have nice equipment.
  • 11 0
 Pinkbikers be like ThEtOPtUbEiSnTsTrAiGhT
  • 2 0
 LOL accurate
  • 3 0
 Haha totally. Ride one and see if that matters anymore. Obviously Ibis is doing something right.
  • 9 1
 That top tube is bent to protect your taint after you slip a pedal trying to dodge organic matter on the San Francisco sidewalks.
  • 6 0
 The spec on that NGX kit is all backwards. You always want a nicer shifter than derailleur if you have to choose. All the indexing is in the trigger. The derailleur doesn't affect the feel of the shift at all.
  • 7 0
 Pour one out for all the jabronies in buysell asking 3x msrp for clapped out dv9s
  • 8 1
 You don’t buy an ibis for its looks
  • 7 1
 Or if you like money. Wait, why do you buy an Ibis again?
  • 3 0
 There was a time when you did…the original Mojo design was gorgeous
  • 6 1
 Is cat shit brown an American thing? Am I missing something!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a worse colour. Looks like you need to clean it before you’ve even bought it.
  • 2 0
 @robholland - It's actually "shit can brown" and yes, very popular in the states.
  • 4 0
 Hardtail. 1 bottle. Ks post. Nx/gx mix. Alu house brand wheels. Performance 34.
$3.5k.
Cool story bro.

Also, as a bend local, to hell with a syncro vw or a delica van owner.
  • 3 0
 When dad has a ripmo with orange anodized crap all over it his kid must have an Ibis with orange anodized crap all over it to race XC on. And he/she is going to be a champion… “GET BACK BEHIND THE SEAT AND KEEP YOUR ELBOWS STRAIGHT”
  • 4 0
 "Now that we've made our logo ugly, and killed it on the ugly ebike project, what project should we tackle next, Hardtails, let's make an ugly hardtail...." someone in Ibis's industrial design team.
  • 3 0
 "Packs a ton of performance in a more accessible price."
$3500 is accessible? For a hardtail?
Rocky Mountain Fusion 10's are about 27% of the cost. Throw a $150 dropper on it and you've got an actual accessible bike that is race worthy for a third the cost.
  • 2 0
 @GTChE: and rocky has an actually good logo thingy
  • 6 2
 511mm reach (XL) with a 425mm chainstay. If you want to learn to manual, maybe this is the bike for you? Probably not much use for anything else though.
  • 1 0
 Exactly! Not sure what they're thinking with those chainstays. I hope no one has any steep tech to climb with that...
  • 5 0
 Remember when Ibis was the affordable bike hero with a DVO kitted FS rig for $2999?
  • 3 0
 Glad to see deore spec! Makes an easy upgrade. Grab a xt cassette, and slx cranks off pinkbike for like $250 total and you will drop like 2.5lbs off the bike. And it will shift better than anything sram has to offer.
  • 6 1
 Might ride ok but damn is this thing ugly!
  • 6 1
 Ok, please a Ripmo HD/Ripmost next please
  • 1 1
 Yes please! I buy a ripmost 160/170 today
  • 1 0
 @DCF: You can make one with a Ripmo AF, a 8.5x2.5 shock, and a 2mm offset bushing.
  • 1 0
 @mammal: I have a v2. Does it work for that too? I'm probably going to buy a new shock soon anyways considering how often my x2 has been blowing out
  • 1 0
 @DCF: I believe there's some interference with the carbon versions. The enduro team does it, but they remove some paint and carbon to make more clearance. The aluminum frames have more clearance to start with.

Info/Rabbit Hole:
www.mtbr.com/threads/hairbrained-long-travel-ripmo-af-idea.1182090
  • 3 2
 It is odd - when the Mojo came out, everyone loved it, the organic lines, the way it all looked...right. How did they get from that to THIS?! It looks like it's been crushed and both the chainstays and top tube have buckled.
  • 4 0
 My 2019 SC Chameleon saw the headline and began to panic, then he saw the picture and knew he wasn't going anywhere.
  • 5 0
 Evidently an unpopular opinion: I like it.
  • 4 0
 New logo. Old logo. New logo, again. Just give me the old logo 4ever pls.
  • 2 0
 Curved top tube is most likely due to where the seat stay ends on the seat tube. If the top tube does not end at same spot as the seat stay, the frame will look alike Walmart female bike...
  • 3 1
 Personally love the look, and the price for the frame isn’t obscene. Especially when a SC Highball frame is $2300 or Epic HT frame is $3000. As a NICA alum, this fits that market fine. Well done Ibis!
  • 4 0
 Seems like the intended market of this frame might want to know frame weight.
  • 1 0
 Good lord. We live in a time when it is acceptable, even marketed as "affordable", to charge $3500 for a vanilla hard tail with a mediocre build kit.

Imagine purchasing this bike and then spending any amount of the time on the internet looking at offerings from any D2C brand. Woof - that would be some painful buyer's remorse.
  • 1 0
 I think it's great they are doing keeping this going! As a old xc racer I'd suggest they add a Deore build that drops the stock wheels and upgrades to something lighter. For instance, HUNT makes an alloy wheelset around $500 that's aboug 1500 grams. With something along those lines they could come in around the same price as the NGX or SLX builds, and with lightweight younger riders, those wheels would go a long way into improving performance.
  • 2 0
 You know what, against popular opinion I'm just gonna say it. I actually like the look of this bike and the paint colors are killer. That said, am I actually gonna buy one? Na, I got me Chromag for that.
  • 3 0
 I want one. Once all my local trails are finally machine build and all the roots taken out I will get one for sure
  • 6 4
 This being a budget bike is a massive joke. But it is a damn nice bike. Hope they sell a ton of them - i Can’t wait until they hit the used market.
  • 5 1
 Ibis seems committed to not making a good looking bike
  • 5 1
 Similar Geo to the Yeti ARC, and $700 cheaper... wish I had held out.
  • 1 0
 Bent top tube…I get increased stand over but at the extreme costs of aesthetics. Call me vain but I can’t buy a bike with a bent top tube. Went with the SJ evo over the Bronson for that reason alone
  • 2 0
 Love that they’re still using the marketing that a $3500 hardtail is one a high school student can pay off with a Summer job.
  • 1 0
 if you mow 100 lawns for $40/ lawn, you should buy a full squish instead of this overpriced hardtail.
  • 1 0
 This sets ibis up to Sell custom frame bags thru a 3rd party like they did with Ibis Mojo and deviate bags. Slick move Ibis.
www.jensonusa.com/Ibis-Mojo-3HD3HD4-Pork-Chop-Frame-Bag
  • 4 1
 Ibis pumping out articles
  • 4 0
 I like the VW more
  • 2 0
 The top tube is an homage to people who have broken their backs riding bikes including me.
  • 3 0
 I'll wait for their AF model.
  • 3 0
 Thats one ugly looking ride..pass!
  • 4 0
 Ugly...
  • 1 0
 "We’ve sloped the downtube to lower the standover by 53mm, dramatically improving the fit for smaller riders."

Stranger Things in the Upside Down?
  • 2 0
 Didn’t they stop making the last one be because it was a bit snappy snappy
  • 1 0
 I don't know where else to ask this..... Why can i see the review for the Oso when im logged out, but as soon as i log in, it disappears?
  • 3 0
 Do you have ebike stuff filtered out in your profile?
  • 3 0
 Unique frame. Uniquely ugly.
  • 1 0
 I ride a DV9 and absolutely love the look and ride. Was beyond stoked for this article and these comments are all a kick in me beans!!
  • 2 1
 I mean yeah, it's CF, but starting at $3499 really highlights what a deal the full DVO build Ripmo AF was/is
  • 2 0
 Top tube already has a dent in it. Smh.
  • 5 6
 All of you are crazy, where did the obsession with straight lines come from? All Ibis bikes are great looking, though I agree that their new logo sucks compared to the classic one.
  • 1 0
 It looks like a Decathlon Rockrider from a couple of years back. Or even a Riverside.
  • 2 0
 Yikes. Ibis has really dropped the ball lately.
  • 3 1
 Looks like a great trail bike! Can't wait to throw a leg over one.
  • 2 0
 They somehow made it look worse with the new colors and decals.
  • 2 0
 @ibiscycles Whats the frame weight on these?
  • 2 0
 Great they increased the price 50% from the last gen…
  • 1 0
 ibis just let their Ibis do the job* here....




*making butt ugly bikes since inception
  • 1 0
 It looks like a Haro Vector or Cannondale V Killer from the 90s!
Thats good or bad? ‍♂️
  • 1 0
 I like the bike, but I def see the opportunity for many to be in-between sizes.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a carbon version of Canfield Yelli Screamy with a slightly smaller bend in the top tube
  • 10 9
 Brilliant colours - just fell in love with the new DV9!
  • 1 0
 The seat tube is too long for a 2023 bike.
  • 4 2
 Love the curvy lines!
  • 1 0
 Hey ibis! i think you bent your top tube :b
  • 1 0
 There's no rear travel? What happens when you hit a bump!!!
  • 1 0
 The cool kids will get the Ripley AF or Ripmo AF instead.
  • 1 0
 Bad hs race bike Needs to be lighter
  • 2 1
 Soooo… an uglier Yelli Screamy?
  • 1 0
 Who else went direct from the headline to the comments?
  • 2 0
 frame weight?
  • 1 0
 Needs a linkage fork to complete the look
  • 1 1
 Take a peek at specialized, commercial or trek for “accessible” prices.
  • 1 0
 Where is the real budget build of a DV9 AF
  • 1 0
 Someone probably left it on a roof rack before going to garage
  • 1 0
 It looks…injured.



Sad, really.
  • 1 0
 Put a 59 degree head angle on it and the read the comments praise.
  • 2 2
 Nothing says pedal strikes more than a 65mm BB drop.
  • 2 0
 For my hardtail, it is fine but I have 165mm cranks and 150mm fork. Those stocks builds seem like they are going to be a nightmare.
  • 2 1
 Top tube ruins it
  • 2 2
 511 Reach with a 425 Chainstay on the XL = Clown Bike.
  • 1 0
 I ride all my trails while wheelie-ing... Wink
  • 1 0
 Everyone's dad rejoice!
  • 1 3
 Life's too short to hardtail
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