Hidden Treasures From the 'For Sale' Fence at Sea Otter 2024

Apr 22, 2024 at 12:07
by Izzy Lidsky  


While at Sea Otter Classic, we caught word of a legendary 'For Sale' fence where attendees could lock their bikes up with a sign and try to sell them throughout the weekend. Intrigued by what we'd find, we stopped by (and by that I mean, asked random people until we found it) on Friday afternoon to see what was there. With a wealth of knowledge around, Sea Otter seems like a bad place to over or underprice a bike but you never know what someone is thinking. While I know enough to put my own bike together, I decided to tap in the lovely tech editors of Pinkbike to help decide whether or not these bikes fell in the 'Screaming Deal - take my money!!' category or the 'You've Got to be Kidding Me' category.

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Does 2017 feel like a really long time ago to anyone else?

For Sale: 2017 Specialized Enduro Pro
Price: $1800 OBO

Seems like a great bike for someone getting into the sport and not looking to drop a fortune. It comes with pedals too which is always a bonus in this scenario as well, but I'll let the Tech Editors decide the final verdict.

Tech Editor Verdict: The mid-2010s were the adolescent years for enduro bikes and, much like teenagers at a similar stage, the growth spurts weren't always in keeping with one another, and bikes ended up with long limbs, features they yet had to grow into or maybe frames that somehow looked gangly or cumbersome. That said, there were some that looked much better than others, and the 29-inch Enduro is one of those bikes. Yes, bikes have moved on, but you could do far, far worse when it comes to bikes from the same year. There were a lot of reasons to love the 29er Enduro, and there still are at the right price. That said, if this was the 27.5" version the verdict would probably be less kind.

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This person used pipe cleaners to tie the sign on. Nothing like a quick stop at the craft store on the way to Sea Otter??

For Sale: 2018 Banshee Darkside DH
Price: $2500 OBO

Tech Editor Verdict: There was a time when freeride bikes were more common, and the Darkside is of that era. The size large frame has a nearly absurdly short reach figure by today's standards (410mm). Then again, if you're hoping for something that has a lot of travel and the ability to change direction quickly in the air then it might just be the ticket. For a lot of people, when they think of getting a long-travel dual-crown bike they might think of something that will offer a lot of stability. I'm not sure the Darkside will be that bike. If this were the race-oriented Legend frame of the same age, for instance, you would still get a relatively short bike, albeit one that might offer a shade more stability at speed.

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Does it come with the Craftsman bag? Seems like a huge bonus.


For Sale: Gary Fisher Carbon
Price: $300 OBO

Brian told me this was a great deal and I'm pretty much required to believe him *shrugs.*

Tech Editor Verdict: A stopped clock is right twice a day, and this is one of the instances in which Mr. Park is indeed correct. Some things go full circle and end up being such a weird mix of things you don't want, they somehow become something that you do.

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This person put up a Pinkbike listing just in case you had as hard a time finding the fence as I did.

For Sale: 2022 Commencal Clash Kids Jr.
Price: $3000 (reasonable offers only)

My mom used to rent us skis every year until we stopped growing. $3,000 seems like a lot for a kids' bike, but then again, I was never a supergrom and have you seen kids these days??

Tech Editor Verdict: Make kids' bikes bad again. I can't imagine spending $3,000 dollars on anyone, let alone somebody who is already getting free board and lodgings. They say you can't put a price on the happiness of a child - well, you're wrong, and you can. It's around $15. Canadian, not US.

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No info listed, big IYKYK vibes.

For Sale: Specialized Demo
Price: ??????

Hard to tell if this is a good deal given there's no price listed so for this one, the Tech Editor Verdict is just 'Would you buy this bike?'

Tech Editor Verdict: The price of an adult's happiness is, by great swathes, easier to estimate. It's a blacked-out Demo, for crying out loud. Buy this, throw on some Monster sticks and go inside some turns. It even has the period-correct ugly chain device that looks like it's borrowed parts from a 1980s food processor. What's not to love?

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Reader verdict - does putting a SRAM sticker on the sign give this person credibility in their listing? Like you KNOW they walked by the SRAM booth.

For Sale: 2019 Specialized Stumpjumper Pro
Price: Willing to negotiate, need it gone!

I actually almost bought this same bike a couple years ago, but got ghosted by everyone I was talking to about it in Buy/Sell. Their loss, I ended up with an Orbea Rallon I'm still crashing, I mean riding. Seems like a good deal depending on how willing to negotiate this person actually is?

Tech Editor Verdict: I don't want to sound like a shill for the Big-S but, between friends, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Since 2018/2019 revamp of the Enduro and Stumpjumper, they've been making great bikes and haven't been blighted with the design culdesacs or ideological arguments they ended up getting muddied within the years prior. Wheel sizes had settled, they could help push bikes forward with their numbered sizing and they were packed full of features. The Stumpjumper and Enduro are like the Mercedes saloon cars. What they have in terms of features will most likely be the industry standard five years later. This bike proves that point somewhat.

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Points for ingenuity on the paper plate sign.


For Sale: Klein Mantra Pro
Price: $280

I don't know anything except that this thing is SICK.

Tech Editor Verdict: Unify your broken hearts and shattered dreams by riding this to the pub.

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Is this what I think it is?

For Sale: Norco Optic C3
Price: $1,900

If this is what I think it is (which it certainly might not be), it's a 2023 Norco Optic in GREAT condition. For less than $2,000? Whoever snagged this is a lucky person, that's a screaming deal.

Tech Editor Verdict: Sorry Norco, but when somebody says Optic, this is what I'll think of. Bryn Atkinson, those awful yellow shoes he insisted on wearing and the little bike that could. I know the new one reviewed well but, and I say this as somebody who isn't against idlers, high-pivots are like a soldier hitting somebody over the head with his gun after it misfires - it's a consequence of extreme demand and not the first port of call. I want my sporty-small bike to feel both alive and sharp, and I think vertical axle paths are best suited to this. My friend actually wants one of these generation Optics - can the seller ship to Squamish?!

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For an extra $15 you can get a climbing harness with this!

For Sale: 1988 GT Survivor
Price: $400 OBO

Other notable facts: Made in Japan. Have Original SR Seatpost! Araya Wheels!!! Front hub broken Frown
I'd like to see this person's garage.

Tech Editor Verdict: Model name checks out. Just.

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Note that this comes with the option to get it mulleted.

For Sale: Zerode Taniwha
Price: $4,000 with 27.5 wheels, $4,200 for mullet

Comes with Raceface Carbon wheels and 'fresh 'zoke suspension.' The LINGO. So cool. Also this has a belt drive so if you ride it you have to get your chain link tattoo covered up, I don't make the rules.

Tech Editor Verdict: I don't know what Fresh Zoke is, but I'll ask Pinkbike's Consultant of Cool, Dario Discwiglio, what it means tomorrow. I mean, sure? It probably rides well in terms of feeling but it would be untrue to say that the cable-operated Pinions aren't an acquired taste. Definitely not a no, but I would test-ride it first before parting with what isn't a small amount of cash.




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101 Comments
  • 132 3
 Must not buy a Klein Mantra and turn it into a cargo bike.... Must not buy a Klein Mantra and turn it into a cargo bike... Must not buy a Klein Mantra and turn it into a cargo bike.

bluelug.com/bike-catalog/8232
  • 18 0
 Doooooo it. What could possibly go wrong?
  • 5 0
 literally no-brainer. let us know!!!!
  • 3 0
 Full test tomorrow?
  • 11 0
 I don't whether you had this link already bookmarked, or if you saw the Mantra and initiated ad-hoc Google-foo. Whichever it is, you are Level Ultimate Googler and/or wayyyy more than meets the eye is happening inside your noggin.

10/10 would follow a @mikekazimer link again.
  • 11 0
 For that price it's worth buying the Klein just for those gorgeous Middleburn cranks!
  • 3 0
 ermahgerd.jpeg
  • 2 0
 @bunjiman82: are they middleburns
  • 2 0
 I had this frame/bike with a red Manitou back to 2001 with green Michelin tires and carbon everything... I can say was one of the best looking bikes in history. ( See if I can find a pic to post here)
  • 3 1
 @Compositepro: No, they are Sugino. Nothing special.
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 @bunjiman82: They are Sugino cranks. Bent a few in my time Smile
  • 8 0
 $280 for one of the most iconic Kleins ever?
I'd pay that to hang it on my man-cave wall, directly opposite my Manitou FS.
  • 2 0
 @roxtar: My buddy bought one. The back kicked and the front is steep and it cost a broken clavicle as well. I recon on the wall or a cargo bike is a good plan!
  • 1 0
 The kids bike looks like an adult bike and the old adult bike looks like a kids bike. Man the 90's were a weird time for bike fit.
  • 10 0
 @mikekazimer I didn't know you were this cool.
  • 2 0
 @Motdoc: When I bought the Manitou FS frame, the seller said he had the parts to make it rideable. I said, "I want to show it off, not ride it. I'm not crazy."
  • 2 0
 I bought a Mantra found dirt cheap on Craigslist a few years ago as a pub bike, for the same nostalgic reasons many have posted here. That thing was godawful to actually ride, especially FROM the pub. All weird angles and floppy, flexy suspension. I was not sad at all when it was stolen from the pub. Now on a beach cruiser for pub runs.
  • 2 0
 @Marquis: dunno what you’re talking about, my childhood coil sprung mantra was a bunny hopping dream. A pogo stick of a bike with a pivot down the middle. Super fun in urban settings, or at slow speeds and up hills. When the trails points down, make sure you have good insurance.
  • 1 0
 @blackthorne: Bunny hopping and pogo sticking on the ride downhill from the pub - not really a good idea. On the way to the pub, sure.
  • 1 0
 @Compositepro: they look just like a set I had back in the day...
  • 24 0
 Glad to see the remnants of COVID pricing are still alive and well south of the border.
  • 29 1
 My favorite is the generation of riders who bought a bike for $6000 back in 2012 and think its now worth $4500. I was looking for a hardtail and an acquaintance "offered" to sell me his Intense Hard Eddie. I could literally buy two brand new konas (or maybe the whole company) for that price.
  • 9 0
 @ratedgg13: too soon
  • 22 0
 I can hand my kids a box of rocks and they're happy. Way cheaper than $15 Can.
  • 11 0
 My kids will entertain themselves with just the box-rocks optional!
  • 26 0
 Yes but buying them a bike doesn't involve them throwing rocks at you as the sole source of joy in their lives.
  • 2 0
 Funny timing. Yesterday my daughter literally spent an hour and a half after school with her friends playing with rocks in the creek. Then we went home and she hopped on the 6 year old bike she inherited from her sister and we had a blast. I’d love to get her a shredder bike, but so unnecessary.
  • 4 0
 Weird thing about kids bikes is that you don't know how much bike they really need until the spend quality time on it. My kids skills have drastically improved with each successive improvement in bike technology. She's still on a 20" so I didn't go to suspension, but I'm starting to eye a 24" full suspension in the future.

I wish more bike shops rented high-end kids bikes for this reason, but there probably isn't much money to made.
  • 19 0
 My brother rides nearly that same 2017 x-wing style Enduro and it’s still an outstanding bike by any measurement. I had the 27.5 version and loved it. It was about that time in bikes where improvements became incremental and not monumental. The leap between 2010 and 2017 was much bigger than 2017 to now.
  • 1 0
 Plus most 2017ish bikes have upgraded the important parts or at least the parts that wore out by now -thats what i've done anyways
  • 8 0
 i still think this vintage enduro is the best looking bike, especially in black. the previous X was quite thick but on these it got really slim.
  • 6 0
 "The leap between 2010 and 2017 was much bigger than 2017 to now."
So true. Going from my 2016 bike with a slightly-dated-but-current-enough design to a newly-designed bike from a progressive company in 2019 was a HUGE change, but that 2019 bike is still essentially current in 2024 despite now being a generation out of date.
  • 1 0
 The downside is that weird yoke rear shock which makes it hard to replace/repair if anything goes wrong with it. A colleague of mine spent far to much to get theirs fixed after the shock failed.
  • 2 0
 Whoever says a 2017 specialized enduro is “oldschool” needs to keep riding a few more years
  • 16 0
 I LOVE that GT Survivor. Like a 70 year old sailor with faded tattoos, chronic cough, and one lag missing. Tire: shot. I don’t even think the front cantilever brakes are actually hooked up to the brake lever any more.
  • 13 0
 The model is a Karakoram, with a U brake. I had a flecky paint orange one for my second MTB.
  • 2 0
 @scruff0372: My brother had the Karakoram in orange splatter, I had a black splatter Tequesta...with rigid forks and elastomer suspension stem!
  • 3 0
 It's a rip off at that price though...
  • 1 0
 @scruff0372: I had the grey flecked one and it was 37 lbs of glory!
  • 11 0
 I wanted a Klein Mantra soooo much. $280 is worth it to realise the dream of my former self. I still need to drive a scraper to fulfil a child fantasy (the other two were to visit the cliff dwellings of Mesa Verde and to make lots if sparks with an angle grinder. Both ticked.)
  • 10 0
 These and the Trek Y frames were like bike porn to me in my teens. I also really wanted a GT RTS!
  • 4 0
 Read that as "make love of sparks with an angle grinder".

Was confused. Then kinda turned on. Landed somewhere in the middle.

Anyway, I'll be in my workshop.
  • 5 0
 @abhorred: Well, NOW I have a new dream. I'll just have to wait until my newly planted hedge grows high enough for the neighbours not to be able to see into the yard.

@terribleone1982 I too wanted a GT RTS and finally saw one at a bike show in Sydney. Problem was that later that day I saw a Mountain Cycle San Andreas.

And my wife wonders why I often enjoy the comments more than the Pinkbike/Youtube article itself.
  • 10 1
 > They say you can't put a price on the happiness of a child - well, you're wrong, and you can.

I don't know Henry. Never met the guy, not even once.

But, somehow, I can hear these words coming out of his mouth with distressing clarity and realism -- whether or not he was the one that wrote them.

TBD on what this says about me. Or about him.
  • 12 0
 I own a 98’ Klein Mantra Race.
One of my favourites in the collection.

m.pinkbike.com/photo/26504496
  • 5 0
 Wow, looks great with the matching double crown fork.
  • 1 0
 I also had the Mantra Race. Matching orange single crown Manitou with cool rubber fork boots. Raced it for the 24 hours of Canaan. Was a dream bike for sure at the time. I still use the Time atacs I had on it.
  • 1 0
 @hohmskullkrishten: Thanks, she's a beauty!
  • 1 0
 @vanstrand: also still on the ATACS I raced on in 97. Beat that, pedals of now.
  • 1 0
 Damn that looks incredible!!!
  • 1 0
 That is sweet!
  • 7 0
 1st it is a Klein Mantra Comp not Pro. I had the pro in Chameleon green color shifting paint back in my early 20's, Norba XC days. It was the coolest. 7 inches of travel when seated, it rode like a Cadillac, and is still the best steep, loose climbing bike I ever had. Something about the rear wheel tucking under you from chain torque. Sure I think it suffered from brake jack, and it has been said it stiffened when standing, but I never noticed. I eventually moved on to an Intense Tracer, which was lighter and yes, the horst link worked better but I certainly did not acquire any huge jumps in lap times. The Mantra was converted it to a general use bike for my wife. She leaned it up against the house for a ride, went in to fill her water bottle, and according to a witness report, a misguided urban teen was walking past the house, promptly ran up the driveway, hopped on and rode off. The Chameleon was never to be seen again. If there was one bike I could have back, that would be it. Still to this day wonder where it is.
  • 3 0
 I still regret the day I parted with my mantra but one of my best friends adopted it and to this day still rides it around town. I have these old film photos of it when new, then pixelated photos of us jacking around in the early days of flip phone cameras, and now he sends me photos of it in a commuter build. People dismiss it in hindsight for not being more mechanically sophisticated. But you won’t find a bike with as much unique character, and it’s bulletproof, the massive single pivot will survive a nuclear apocalypse.
  • 7 0
 The one thing that's always disappointed me about Klein bikes is that they're not made from non-orientable surfaces.
  • 4 0
 Is that why there is no bottle cage?
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 @gcrider: You could say they stripped the frame.
  • 3 0
 Re; the GT "Survivor", I think I am going to need Izzy to go back and study some vintage GT ads....Karakoram, says it on the downtube but it is a survivor.....clearly, or maybe I am just an old guy.
  • 2 0
 Whoa. That's (was) my Enduro!

I sold that kid (he was a kid at the time) that Enduro. Even has the same tires! Unreal. Sold it before moving to Billings, Montana from SoCal because the trails are more tame here.

Great bike and great shock for sure.

www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3273846
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 Renting and $15? Might be able to rent a kids bike for 10min for that much. If you're lucky. Made more sense for us to buy decent bikes for the older kid, pass them down to the younger, then sell after. Cheaper than renting. We do the same thing with snowboards. Kids get to take some pride in caring for their tools too, which is a good lesson.
  • 4 1
 if i parked that Mantra in downtown Toronto while shopping or working it would get stripped down faster than Stormy Daniels on a Friday night
  • 7 4
 Specialized Enduro? Com'on pinkbike, you of all people should recognize a specialized demo when you see one.
  • 5 0
 Ha! Whoopsie. That's amended now. Thank you!
  • 5 0
 URT joke … nice
  • 4 1
 That Norco Optic seemed like up for grabs... the way it was chained to the fence.
  • 1 0
 Long live THAT generation Optic. As the owner of one I desperately want to find a spare frame. If I were ever to break one, my grandest fear would be to receive a crash replacement in the new version or possibly a Fluid.
  • 3 0
 That generation of Optic is the best 4 year old bike in the world. Change my mind.
  • 1 2
 @izzylidsky: You've mistaken those killer shoes Bryn was wearing for Yellow when they were actually Lime-Green and were so sik, lot's of people wanted that LTD edition run of the AM9 but they were rare and hard to to get ahold of. I'd love to own that Optic myself; and if i did, i'd paint my old AM9's the same color of Bryn's Lime Green ones and slay corners like an Assassin. That Bike looks so amazing!
  • 4 0
 Araya wheels!!!
  • 4 5
 To take a good look at these photos I have to open EACH in a new tab, change 5 to 0, press Enter, which downloads an image in the original size of ~7Mb, open it locally and then I can zoom in as much as I want.

Not user friendly much, huh, PB?
  • 1 0
 Fun fact I’ve learned about selling Norco bikes: Norco is also an illicit substance so Facebook and craigslist block it in searches. Good luck with your resale !
  • 1 0
 410 reach on the darkside is for a medium frame, not a large. 410 for a medium is still short by today's standard but it's ain't a large.
  • 3 0
 that klein must have got scooped up right away.
  • 1 0
 I looked at it for 3 days.......
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 @izzylidsky: Fresh Zoke is for new Marzocchi for sure
  • 3 0
 Ha cell numbers posted on PB... What could happen?
  • 1 0
 Nothing. Everything about us is already known.
  • 1 0
 I feel like y'all did that darkside dirty. that was a dream bike for a long time for me.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiFfMafJ-M&ab_channel=MaxBerkowitz
  • 1 0
 Same here, had one for demo for few days, loved that rig.
  • 3 0
 Buy them all and do a huck to flat video!
  • 3 0
 I would turn off my ad blocker to watch that video.
  • 1 0
 Are white rims available anymore? On certain builds they look great. My brown Revel Rascal with white logos would look good with them. But would also need a white fork.
  • 1 0
 Zokes, for those who know. Cheap line of Marzocchi forks from the 90's. Basically Marzocchi now... Cheaper version of a Fox product, but not really that cheap.
  • 2 0
 Thats a mantra comp, not pro. Great yellow pain job in sunlight.
  • 3 3
 Absolute sacrilege! The owner of that Gary Fisher should have both his hands broken so he doesn't ruin anymore very rare retro bikes.
  • 8 1
 1. It is just a bike, and a mass produced production bike, not even a custom one of a kind or an art form.

2. It is/was his own bike and he is/was entitled to do whatever he wanted to it.

3. No destructive or irreversible change had been done to that bike.

You are just yelling at clouds at this point.
  • 1 1
 I have that fork for sale if you want it for your closet altar.
  • 2 0
 I'd take that GT over the GF
  • 1 1
 @opignonlibre: @twozerosix It's a joke. I take it you don't get British humour.
  • 2 1
 @captainclunkz: humor is less obvious in print. Surely that’s a lesson not even lost on the British after Swift’s Modest Proposal.
  • 2 1
 @Hayek: I'll take a note next time from Borat. Not.
  • 1 0
 I still have my Mantra frame on the wall of my workshop. Last rode it in '05 in a 12 hour race as a single speed.
  • 2 0
 "Fresh Zoke " = new Marzocchi up front.
You're welcome Smile
  • 2 0
 Great article. Love this kind of stuff.
  • 1 0
 This is what I needed. Thanks PB.
  • 1 0
 I'm still waiting for one review without an ad for Continental tires...
  • 1 0
 Did you know they're as good or better than Maxxis?
  • 1 0
 The klein needs flip paint
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 Darkside
  • 3 5
 Whatever the original price is irrelevant, the price of a second hand bike shouldn't go upwards of usd 2k. If you want more from it, it just means you didn't ride it enough.
  • 1 0
 That Demo looks amazing
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