Burning Question: What Do Racers & Team Managers Think About Discovery Taking Over the World Cup Rights?

Feb 24, 2022 at 9:25
by James Smurthwaite  


Following the news that Discovery has taken over the broadcasting rights for the UCI World Cups, it seems that everyone has an opinion. You've had your say, we've had our say and Beta have had their say but what do the people who will be affected most about it think? We've gathered a snapshot of reactions to the news from racers and team managers and their thoughts on how it might affect the sport.

The questions we asked to the racers and team managers were:

- How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
- What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
- Do you have any worries about the news?
- Do you think it’s good for the sport?
- What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?




Camille Balanche

Balanche hammering into a second place qualifier.

How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
For me this it's too much of unknown so far. They have apparently more money but is it gonna only go in the pocket of the UCI or is it gonna really be used to push the sport in the right direction, I’m not sure. Especially the DH discipline. I feel like Red Bull TV had probably more interest in extreme sports than Discovery. I don’t like the fact that it probably won’t be possible to watch easily from every country and every screen and be free of charge (not sure yet but it’s what I heard).

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
Probably that they will not have to put the priority to certain athletes like Red Bull did with their own athletes. I hope they will keep Rob because he is just the best and I hope they can bring the sport to the next level by providing decent coverage and more visibility than we have now, which is gonna be hard because I think Red Bull TV is doing a good job.

Do you have any worries about the news?
Yes. I’m worried that it won’t be available in every country and that we will have to pay to watch the races. I’m also worried that they will start using adverts during the broadcast and that we will lose the fans watching because of it.

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
Like I said, I don’t know enough about them to answer the question. But a new vision can be good for the sport or it can destroy it. Finger crossed.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
More coverage with more cameras, more angles. Every run should be totally filmed in finals so we can always have the full run of the riders who win or are on the hot seat even if they start before the top 30. More prize money. Interesting pre-show inside stories and more contact with the teams/riders.



Henrique Avancini

Henrqieu Avancini putting in the graft at the front of the race.

How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
I guess it’s a mixed feeling. Red Bull TV improved over the years and we finally got to a good level in terms of reach. As long we don’t know more details on this take over, is hard to judge and make a call if could be positive or negative to the sport.

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
A new platform could be the next step for the World Cup. I hope the new broadcaster brings some more extra race content to solidify the sport with its fan base and keep improving and bringing new people to our sport.

Do you have any worries about the news?
Mountain bike's numbers were getting bigger and bigger. To the point that the reach is big enough to be compared to events that are being held for much longer time. My main concern is that this could be a market control move more than a desire the build and develop a new product on their platform.

A second point to worry is how it’s gonna be access to the content. Red Bull TV played a very important role on bringing the sport to new people. I believe we are still on the process of growing before capitalizing on pay per view model of business.


Do you think it’s good for the sport?
Could be very good as long Discovery Sports keep increasing the reach and quality. If that is achieved, on middle term the teams and riders are going to be positively affected. In general terms, I see it as something risky for the teams and riders, but also could bring bigger rewards if things go right.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
I believe there is a lot to cover on the backstage of the teams and athletes. It’s different when a team is producing their own content to when a broadcaster starts to dig the behind the scenes. There is a lot that happens on our sport that the open public don’t have a chance to know.



Vali Holl

Vali Holl couldn t match her qualifying pace and slipped back to 6th.

How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
Honestly, I can’t say if it’s good or bad. I was kinda shocked when I read the news because it came out of nowhere. I really love the Red Bull TV crew. I kinda grew up with them in the World Cup circuit, most of them are Austrians and we did many projects together already, I really hope they continue to be at the World Cups, because they did an amazing job!

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
Honestly, I never heard of them, apparently they produced all the EWS footage but somehow I didn’t really see a lot at all. I hope it’s not the same for DH, because the coverage that Red Bull produced was fire, live broadcast, daily recaps on YouTube, etc.

Do you have any worries about the news?
I just hope that they keep the Red Bull crew. Not only the producer crew also the commentary, we need people who know the sport and the history. We need people who interact with the athletes and know all the gossip haha. Tracey Hannah was the perfect add to the woman's broadcast, and Elliot and Lauren are doing an amazing job and entertain the crowd. A World Cup without Rob Warner - can we even call it a World Cup?

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
I really need to read into it more. It would be cool to see DH on the local TV like Eurosport. But Red Bull TV was free for everyone and it was not hard to figure it out, even my grandparents could download the app and watch it and select the right language. The whole Red Bull pre-show was so cool, when I watch a ski World Cup on Eurosport, they don’t work much on those things. But who knows, maybe they will do an amazing job.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
I would like to see more women qualify. 20 would be a great fit.



Reece Wilson

The man that ruled these woods last year. Reece Wilson will fancy his chances once again this weekend.

How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
Personally, I’m very positive and excited about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcast. The sport's in a great place and that’s clear to see with the momentum it has gained over the pandemic period. I feel this change is one of the positive results of that momentum.

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
The thing I look forward to most is the same thing we all want? To see the sport getting mainstream coverage, outside sport endorsements, more documentation and growing to its full potential.

Do you have any worries about the news?
I think it’s unfair to be negative about something that is already happening. Why not just be positive and take this as an opportunity to improve what we currently have? Red Bull have done an amazing job and set a high standard so I don’t think we’ll see crazy changes the first few years, but I do believe it’s a great move for the future of mountain biking.

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
They broadcast the Tour de France which is the most watched sporting event in the world - I think we’ll be ok. Being under the same umbrella as the Tour de France and EWS can only be beneficial to the sport's growth as a whole.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
Mainstream coverage and potential for investment coming in from outside the industry. More structured calendar, more investment in the sport. To name a few.

As far as paying for it goes? Discovery know fine well that they need views to continue to grow. I’m pretty confident they won’t do anything to jeopardise that. AMA Supercross, MotoGP, PGA Tour, Spotify, Netflix, iTunes, Amazon Prime... subscriptions services are everywhere and they can be great value for money.

I look forward to hearing more from Discovery and seeing how they plan on taking mountain biking through the next stages of its development.




Bernard Kerr

Bernard Kerr loves a bit of Leogang and has found himself on the podium before.

How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
Honestly no idea on a feeling really... Hopefully it's a good thing? Red Bull on the whole did a very good job but who knows maybe Discovery will be better? It would be awesome if we were kept in the loop more with the UCI I guess... and mainly good to know if we are bent over / sold out.

Previously the UCI sold all the riders' rights to our own POV footage and also made us put Red Bull logos on our videos even though we don't get paid for this. We are also never technically allowed to use our own full POV race runs, just parts of them. And Red Bull can decide how much footage and things like this.


What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
Hard to say when we don't know what they are going to do... If they, say, double the amount of cameras then I would definitely look forward to this... with almost zero insight or news its pretty hard to make a comment? Maybe they will bring in amazing outside sponsors and the prize money will go up from the £3k joke it currently is? Maybe they will let us use our own POV footage and things? Maybe they will be super friendly... it's like looking forward to a holiday when you don't know where you are going? Could be good, could be terrible? haha

Do you have any worries about the news?
Yes... That the UCI have sold them all the riders and teams rights to our own footage... it's unfair and taking advantage of us. In other sports you may even get a cut of the TV revenue, not have your own stuff sold out without you having a choice.

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
I really hope so... I'm sure they have amazing crews and big budgets to do some great things... It would be awesome to know what their plan is then I could give you a better answer? haha

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
If any rider wants to run a POV camera in their race run they should be allowed... It should not be so elitist and "only if we have enough cameras".... everyone knows each rider has their own one. It's unfair that only some are allowed and I'm usually one of the lucky ones that is.

Better placed cameras....Red Bull on the whole does a great job, but also often miss some of the best / most important parts of the track... They need a better expert or person to help position the cameras in my opinion.




Neko Mulally


How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
I don't know all the specifics about the deal, but in general I think that it shows our sport is in a healthy place if companies like Discovery and Red Bull TV are competing for the rights to broadcast the World Cup.

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
Reaching new fans.

Do you have any worries about the news?
For sure, it normally takes a little bit of learning to perfect something, so I hope they can get it dialled on the first try. Red Bull does a great job in my opinion.

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
I think Discovery's reach can be good for the sport. Time will tell if they can execute the broadcast in a way that is good for the sport.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
I think that more cameras on the race course can help the broadcast. I would also like to see more reporting on the riders outside of the race to be used in the show.



Wyn Masters

Wyn Masters nipping at the heels of Hugo Frixtalon in the steeze-stakes.

How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
I think it's exciting and I look forward to see how they put all together.

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
Hopefully getting the sport in front of more eyes, and taking the sport to a mainstream audience, in turn bringing growth for the sport.

Do you have any worries about the news?
Of course, I think that’s normal with any change. You just hope that they will do it as well as Red Bull did and can keep the format similar with, of course, Rob Warner in the booth too.

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
I think it could be great and hope that it brings it to the next level and allows the sport to continue to grow worldwide.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
Just broadcasting more worldwide and keeping the quality and format similar to what Red Bull did. Personally ,I’d like to see the World Cup to become more of a true “World” Cup as there are regions like South America and Asia that would really get behind having events there. Also, I don’t personally have a problem to pay for access to watch it if its done properly, I watch Supercross, Motocross and Road cycling and pay to watch all of those without an issue.



Sina Frei

Sina Frei pushed hard for that second place. Nobody was giving up positions easy.

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
A change is always also a new chance. I hope that it will get streamed in even more countries and that it will improve the MTB media presence to a new level.

Do you have any worries about the news?
I think Red Bull TV made a really good broadcast. The camera work and commentary did a really good and exciting job. It’s not easy to start from the same level, but nothing is impossible!

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
If it will be streamed in even more countries than it will also make the sport and the media presence bigger.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
Neutral and equalized, team-independent treatment.



Thomas Wickles
Ghost Factory Racing Team - Team Manager



How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
I think we all agree that RBMH produced the best content ever of the World Cup and lifted the broadcasting quality to a new level. We are grateful for everything they invested in our sport, remember where we were when they took over the licensing rights and how much they evolved throughout the years. I do have a neutral feeling to a new broadcaster though. We did not get any official information from UCI yet, therefore I do not know enough to really come up with an opinion based on facts.

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
All the three questions above are hard to answer for me at the moment. Of course, we all would love to see the streaming and broadcasting being still available for free. Depending on what the plan of Discovery will be exactly, we will be able to judge this, once more news are available and we will be involved into the plans. Red Bull’s plan of course was to generate views on their channels, which they did very successfully. Hopefully Discovery wants to raise the quality of the production even higher making it accessible to as many people as possible and keep it for free to the MTB world and the rest of the (potential) viewers. But, even we as UCI Elite teams we're not involved in the whole process nor did we get any information from the UCI yet.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
If you compare MTB sport and the level of money being involved to other cycling disciplines and their broadcasting and TV situation, there is of course way more money involved (even though some disciplines are comparably small like CX) and with reaching a broader and bigger audience the sport has the chance to develop further and bigger. More and bigger sponsors could be attracted and lifting the whole sport to a new level. In particular for XC and DH (with our team being an XC team of course) it depends again on the future plans – but we as XC teams always hoped for more single round XC World Cups in the past. On double events we had to go to places where there were DH tracks of course, XC tracks were sometimes simply added and did not really feel as much in the focus as at single events like e.g. Nove Mesto. Of course production costs played a role in those decisions as well – we do love the vibe of double World Cups with the DH family, but there would be crazy good venues and organizers (and crowds!) if you could go to some more XC only World Cups. We will see in which direction it will be going…



Haley Batten


Haley Batten hasn t needed anytime to get up to speed after her move up to elites over the winter.


How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
I’m honestly super surprised about it! RedBull has always done such an exceptional job with the live broadcast and the coverage gets even better every season. Since RedBull-TV covers a range of extreme sports it created a great platform to grow following for mtb from other sports and vice-versa. Red Bull is well known around the world for sports content and I’ve also been really impressed by how they represent the women’s field in XCO.

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
I don’t know much about Discovery. It seems that they have a documentary and reality-tv focus, which is different from what we are used to with Red-Bull.

Do you have any worries about the news?
Red Bull TV has always been extremely accessible, which makes the races easy and fun to watch. I worry that Discovery my be a bit less user-friendly or include more ads. In addition, I think Red-Bull TV attracted a certain type of viewer that is interested in mtb and action sports.

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
It’s hard for me to say since I don’t really feel like I have a good understanding of Discovery and what they will be capable of. I am hopeful that they can do a good job with the World Cup broadcast, but there will definitely be a learning curve for all of us I think.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
It would be great to have an easy-access broadcast that can reach an even larger audience and help grow our sport. I would also love to see coverage of the World Championships since that has been limited in the past.



Dean Lucas

Dean Lucas custom Scott Gambler and matching kit

How do you feel about Discovery taking over the World Cup broadcasts?
I think it could be a good new change, Redbull has done an awesome job to build it up to where it is now but I still think there’s massive room for improvement.

What are you looking forward to about the new broadcaster?
Hopefully more feedback from athletes on what they want to see happen at the events. I feel like athletes get kept in the dark with a lot of different things so it would be nice to have more of a voice.

Do you have any worries about the news?
Not really any worry about it will be interesting to see how different it is run.

Do you think it’s good for the sport?
I think it really could be if it’s done the right way, I think it could put a lot of new eyes on the sport and grow it to where it needs to be.

What improvements would you like to see with a new broadcaster?
I think the need to build up back story’s with riders to help the fans get involved, Redbull did the show “Fast Life” but that only focused on Loic, Finn and Kate when I feel like they could go more in depth into more riders.

Also they need to film qualifying and Juniors!! It blows me away they miss them, even if it’s not played on the live feed still have the footage so people can see it.






179 Comments

  • 122 0
 What Vali said about keeping the RB crew could be crucial. New crew plus generic extreme sports commentators plus ads could easily equal an unwatchable shitshow for the initiated. And you'll have to pay for the privilege of being insulted. Maybe we'll see them take Rob Warner to the next level. Not only sober but lobotomised. But hey, let's be optimistic.
  • 16 0
 I agree. I really hope that Discovery models their broadcasts after the Red Bull format, because they had a great thing going. On the other hand, Discovery probably has a lot more broadcasting resources, and might come up with something great of their own. I'm just gonna choose cautious optimism.
  • 11 2
 Link to submit a request to discovery - let ‘em know if they lessen the quality from what red bull did you’ll do everything in your power to destroy them
corporate-discovery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
  • 9 0
 @artistformlyknowasdan: I shall stare angrily at round 1 before unleashing the full force of my fury on the direct debit I arranged to watch it.
  • 9 2
 Vali had the best take.
  • 27 2
 My understanding of the Eurosport model is that they do not do the actual TV recording, that is down to the host broadcaster. A couple mentioned road riding coverage - it is the ASO that controls the TV coverage not Discovery/Eurosport. Eurosport just provide patchy quality commentators like Knob Hatch and Carlton 'what race key moment' Kirby who scream commentary at dull experts trying to create a football style commentary, made worse since they brought in the half wits from GCN. Heaven help us if the idiots at GMBN get involved.

I would be suprised if the commentary team did come across from Redbull - there will be too many within the discovery family rubbing their hands at the opportunity to take over, especially given the locations visited - and discovery has a history of this within its non-sport channels, ripping out show presenter characters that viewers really resonated with and replacing with 'personalities' to 'broaden appeal'. The average producer at Discovery will have no idea the importace of the likes of Rob and replacing them with someone that indexes well with non-traditional viewers - hope you are looking forward to DH presented by the winner of Love Island 2022

As for Bernard Kerrs comment about POV video - naive beyond belief if he really thinks that it has not been sold by the UCI - until the MTB racing community as a whole unites as one and tells the UCI to f*ck off, UCI have them over a barrel (and self interest of people like Kerr who do get to use the footage means that unity will be impossible)
  • 3 0
 @Puddings: oof. I don't know about Discovery, but that sounds in line with anything I've ever read/heard/experienced with TV networks, ad agencies, and media outfits: new guys always ditch the predecessor's projects, even when they're doing well. Bring in their own people and start over. I do not want to start over with DH racing!

...and please point me to Discovery's history of this within its non-sports channels, I'm unfamiliar but interested.
  • 6 17
flag sino428 (Feb 25, 2022 at 14:33) (Below Threshold)
 @Puddings: Has no one told Bernard Kerr that POV footage is generally horseshit and no one wants to see it anyway?
  • 2 0
 @Puddings:

Carlton Kirby is definitely a marmite figure, but he does a great job when there’s not an awful lot happening, which lets be honest is quite often
  • 1 0
 @sino428: given the viewing figures he seems to get on youtube, I am not sure anyone has pointed it out to his fanboys either (I am not one of them)
  • 8 0
 @DylanH93: Agree and Camille was right on her heels. DHers get it. If there is no Rob Warner to have a beer with at 5AM, I will not subscribe.
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: Camille was totally echoing PB comment section
  • 1 0
 @sino428: people clearly do with that 2:1 down vote ratio
  • 4 0
 @Puddings: "Heaven help us if the idiots at GMBN get involved." amen to that.
  • 89 0
 The best thing about Redbull TV was that you could watch the racing whenever and wherever you wanted. Races are always on at different places around the world and at different times. If it ends up on Discovery's TV channel or something and not even live anymore? I can see myself going from watching every race to never watching and just doing the highlights on Pinkbike or something. I really hope thats not the case.
  • 5 6
 I watch battle bots on Discovery, and the DVR functionality works great. The only problem is my adblocker fails to catch their ads....
  • 33 0
 @hamncheez: Well, that's great for you and other people with cable/satellite and DVRs... What about the rest of us who cut the cord years ago and can only watch on Redbull TV?
  • 8 0
 @abercrave: Yes, I meant in the browser (I have never had cable/satellite tv). You can watch whenever.
  • 3 0
 Just wait 'till the end of the season and buy the Earthed dvd to see all races at once.
  • 1 0
 *vital raw
  • 89 1
 I haven't missed a World Cup DH race since 2012. I haven't seen a MOTO GP in 4 years. Guess why.
  • 5 0
 For me it was too sad to watch VR46 at the back of the pack…
  • 5 3
 Because you didn’t download the MotoGP race next day from PirateBay? Or watch 2hours later on fullmatchsports.com ?
  • 3 1
 You missed out on some epic races!
  • 9 0
 This one didn't change for me until literally last year. I don't think I've missed a GP since maybe 1999, and last year I missed half. For most of my college/post-college years we had Speedvision, which showed everything including WSBK. Even then, the last half a decade we had BeIn which had all 3 races and qualifying for GP. WSBK has been on a different channel... FS2 or NBCsports or what not, but it was still doable. Last year NBCsports got MotoGP rights in the states and TOTALLY f*cked it all up. Couldn't catch any of qualifying or Moto2 or Moto3, and they aired GP like 8 hours later so of course I either saw it already or read about it already. And lord knows what happened to MA. I know the "easy" answer is: "just get the subscription." but I'm not gonna cave to the subscription life and have 15 recurring payments every month from 15 different things. The business model sucks, and I can't stand to contribute to it. I guess this is my penalty. BeIn losing MotoGP was the last straw I needed to drop cable all together. Oh well I guess, but saving $100 a month here has been quite nice. Hopefully Discovery doesn't over-estimate demand and do something stupid.
  • 3 0
 @Sweatypants: i get it. I got into motogp watching Rossi on speedvision/speed but honestly the coverage has for the most part sucked. Last straw was a few years ago when Speed or whatever aired commentary right over important parts of the race in Austin. Dorna's service is expensive but mostly worth it IMO. I was able to get on the fan wall like 3 times this past season, and they're improving their coverage year over year. The shoulder cam stuff they tried out this past year was amazing to watch.
  • 90 3
 The fact that Discovery broadcast the EWS and no one watched, answers a lot of questions!!!!
  • 6 0
 Did they do a live broadcast or just buy the footage? Heard this for the first time
  • 17 0
 I didn't know anyone broadcast the EWS, but it's not a broadcast-friendly kind of format in the first place. WC DH is much easier to cover like that, and frankly much more of a spectator sport.
  • 43 0
 if an EWS race happens in the woods and there is no video did it even happen?
  • 1 0
 Seriously.
  • 8 0
 EWS is a far harder format to film than DH. Not saying Disco is going to be great, but I don't think EWS will ever be as compelling to watch as DH.
  • 2 0
 We have Discovery+ cause my wife likes shit tv. What sub-channel is it even on? I also had never heard of this and could have been watching all year I guess???
  • 1 0
 Didn't know till this article that EWS was covered, lets hope it all improves
  • 6 0
 @Gustavotomasi Is this actually true? Did you watch the broadcast? My understanding is that they own GMBN, who actually handled the EWS coverage this year. It was way worse than previous years. They didn't "broadcast" shit.
  • 2 0
 The fact that Discovery is set to take over CNN- the propaganda network, speaks volumes to what lies ahead (pun intended) for WC viewers!
  • 2 0
 @sheldonuvic: Yeah as far as I thought it wasn't live and instead we had like 30 mins of pretty rubbish GMBN footage. I can't imagine how they would broadcast it live but if they did I'd be keen to watch
  • 48 0
 Interesting to see if Discovery will allow WYNTV or Cathro's track analysis to be posted on here and Social media. They will own all broadcasting rights and content, so we could have seen the last of it, unfortunately.
  • 21 0
 @Three6ty I think you just asked the question many of us here on Pinkbike (and other places like Vital, etc.) are asking. Will Cathro's analysis be allowed and posted on 'other channels'? Can Vital post track walk interviews? Pit interviews? Will team-produced videos, summaries, etc be allowed if they included race/pit footage? Will things like 'Wyn TV' be allowed? Howe about straight up photos from photographers working in for PB, Vital, etc.? So many unanswered questions for sure.
  • 7 0
 @bman33: I would assume they will continue to allow this kind of thing. What you are talking about is essentially media coverage of the sport. They would have no reason not to allow that type of thing because it all helps spread awareness of the sport and the races. Companies who buy broadcast right are generally protective of the game/race itself but welcome the media coverage.

Take the NFL or the NBA for example. They very tightly control footage and the broadcasting of the actual events, buy they will hand out 100 press passes to reporters and photographers. Before and after each game there are a dozen pre/post game shows interviewing coaches, players, etc. Reporters from all networks can go to practices, get locker room access, talk to players, etc.

I wouldn't expect it to be any different here. This type of surrounding coverage of the events will only benefit Discovery's actual broadcast.
  • 14 0
 The mixed platform combo of YouTube and RedBullTV gave a compelling story for each race. YouTube channels like Bernard Kerr's LSD, Fox's Dialed and PB's "Line Guy" give you a peek "under the covers" of race week. You then get to watch the races live on RBTV. Back to YT for the BTS footage of the day's racing then ended with WynTV interviewing all the racers. If Discovery can take this model, nurture and expand it to become something greater than the sum of its parts, it would be the best possible outcome.

However, this being a massive corporate entity, they're going to throw underqualified(no DH racing experience) people with unreasonable financial expectations at it with, most likely, horrendous results.
  • 14 0
 Vital RAW was the best bit about world cups.
  • 3 1
 Someone needs to sabotage the cable every race untill UCI gets the message and returns the BULL!
  • 2 0
 @sino428: I few years ago I believe RedBull started limiting length and number of videos produced by others like Cathro, pinkbike, and Vital. I think they lessened up a little on it but still have multiple restrictions in place.
  • 1 0
 @vesania: Even if thats the case I really don't see it as much of an issues considering Cathro was putting out 2-3 videos at each race that were 10-15 minutes long. Same with Vital Raw videos. Multiple 10+ minutes videos each race. Even if there are restrictions they don't seem to be too strict.
  • 1 0
 @vesania: Vital Raw don't use any qualification or race footage. They don't have permission. Same would be for Cathro. Teams can use race footage but only of their riders. RB have a bunch of content restrictions which have played a part in shifting a videographers role at the races. To get a fancy media bib you need to get vetted to ensure you stick to the broadcast rules set by UCI/Redbull. Fyi
  • 40 0
 you are all going to be forced into crossover programing with Deadliest Catch and Naked and Afraid...get ready
  • 66 1
 I guess Claudio's naked and afraid track previews are going to be nuts!
  • 31 1
 @LaurensVR: literally nuts
  • 17 3
 This season: Ben Cathro ramps up his search for the winning line! Brings few old men, a broke 18 yr old, an excavator, pile drill and loads of dynamite!
  • 8 0
 90 Day Fiance: Before the World Cup. Riders from one country meet a rider from another country and decide where to live and get married before the season is over and their travel visas expire. Edge of your seat entertainment!
  • 3 0
 @nyhc00:
Crotch-cam incoming!
  • 36 0
 I am absolutely gutted to be honest. Watching the DH on Red bull was one of the happiest things in my life. Life, which is so full of misery and suffering now is likely to lose yet another thing that brings joy to the people. It seems as though as time goes on we are being more and more isolated from the hobby we all love.
  • 3 1
 How will discovery access work? If it’s like £5.00 a month could you spare it for something that gives you that much back?

I would pay a small monthly fee to watch it, free is better of course.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername:
Guess it will depend where you, in the UK all Discovery cycling is on Eurosport.
The cheapest stand alone option for cycling only is currently via GCN+ which is £40 a year.
Eurosport is available on the base package with most paying platforms like BT and Sky.
Also it's available for £7 A month via the Eurosport player.
  • 33 3
 Bit naive of Reece, to assume "They do the Tour!" is some sort of street cred. I watched some of their coverage, was not better than before, also, filming DH racing is challenging logistically and operationally and the Tour has more budget/funding from townships, govt, TO the one with film rights.
Like his positivity, but, pretty misguided.

The fact they took over EWS, and I saw less EWS coverage than ever last year and what I did see, was rubbish.
  • 5 0
 Yea , Watching the tour is only good because they have a helicopter and motorcycles right there with the riders. Neither of these things will be happening with the MTB broadcast. Now if they can place more cameras along the course, that would be an improvement. I guess we will have to reserve judgement until we see the actual broadcast
  • 12 1
 Maybe he didn't want to step on any toes in case he ends up in the booth one day?
  • 2 0
 Dude's Volvo is full of golf clubs, he's gonna be just fine!
  • 3 0
 Maybe Reece is talkin to them about talkin for them... Nah.
  • 6 3
 The ews was worse because they used the gmbn clowns to present it
  • 4 0
 I though that French Television filmed the Tour and then different companies broadcast that with their commentators
  • 2 0
 @mfoga: Yeah, that's what happens with virtually all road races. The host country films it (France TV, RAI, Sporza, etc) Eurosport just take the pictures, and commentate on them.
  • 2 1
 Really?
I didn't see any less EWS coverage than beforehand. They live streamed the prologue stage on YouTube and turned over the highlights package in 24hrs, which previously took 2/3 days.
The one thing that I disliked about the 2021 series was the product placement time allotted for Vittoria at the Canazei stop. I feel sorry for Ric having to do the piece to camera about an event sponsor, leaving less time in the highlights show for the event itself! Half an hour for a day long event (or two) is short enough already.
Still, it's not as bad as some other forced promo items in other sports events.
  • 1 0
 While Reece did the hardline commentary and is probably on good terms with redbull, I saw an Instagram story (from him) complaining about how RBTV barely broadcasted his run and had him film an interview that then was scraped. He still got a place in the hardline booth shows that he is confident with his criticism but still careful. Yet he'd still want to see a change and it to early to say.
  • 1 0
 @Burningbird: maybe he remembers who was pumping all the money into trek racing not so long ago.
  • 27 0
 Henrique Avancini pretty much summed it up for me:

"My main concern is that this could be a market control move"
  • 1 2
 @nilswalk I don't understand what he means? as in what territories get to access the racing?
  • 10 0
 @yakimonti: As in when you control an established brand/product and you see an upstart gaining traction you buy it to prevent it from taking away the marketshare from your existing product. i.e. road racing.
  • 3 0
 @nilswalk:It's exactly this that concerns me. Everyone is asking about Discovery's intention but its the UCI intention that could be the scariest. All too cloaked and secretive with zero rider/team involvement. It's unclear if they even entertained a RB counter offer or if this was presented fait accompli.
Or perhaps not even UCI - Prudhome/Amaury could have an in at Discovery and be pushing this!
  • 5 0
 @solephaedrus: the UCI are right up there with the IOC, FIS, and World Cup. Their incentives are not aligned with those the ones they work with, or the consumers of their products. They're not fans of bike racing.

The wrong people are in charge. UCI just plain suck.

I think there's currently plenty of money to go around, but these baddies are holding onto it.
  • 6 0
 @nilswalk: This is a scary thought. Like the FIA did with Sports Prototypes (group C) in the early 90s because it was "stealing" fans from F1. The product was just too good. They didn't realize proper entusiasts watched both, and there was room. I wouldn't start watching road bikes if DH/XC coverage was poor. Not the same sport at all.
  • 3 0
 @knutspeed: Totally. Doesn't even have to be anything nefarious about their intentions either, like deliberately wanting to shut it down. It'd be enough to kill it by just not caring that much.
  • 3 0
 @knutspeed: The UCI are just the like the FiA; in charge of a multi sport discipline, but favour the biggest sport, to the detriment of the smaller ones. We've seem Group C die a painful death, the same with the WRC which was threatening F1's popularity.

The UCI's main interest is always Road cycling, in the 90s, MTB was a success - and since then it collapsed, and is trying to regain it's popularity.
  • 1 0
 @nilswalk: there's a massive battle for subscriptions going on... Remember when people were told "hey, it'll be one cost per month and everything will be able to watch online whenever you want" and now some people end up with multiple subs and costs all over the place. Time to add disco+ to the list, but I'm not bothered about the other shit, and don't want a contract for $15 a month for 6 races through the year
  • 25 0
 Red Bull gives you Wiings and Discovery gives you pay per view.
  • 3 0
 Pour-out a Red Bull for Red Bull.
  • 10 0
 The key question is what are Discovery/WarnerMedia's true intentions? If it's to make some money in the short term capitalizing on the growth of bike sales and media attention over the past few years, then obviously this will be a disaster. If their intent is to develop a Sports branch to their media content with bicycle racing as one of their anchors then it's good news.
I think the general consensus is that RB honestly cared about the sport, and that's what we're hoping Discovery does as well.
  • 8 0
 Probably the former.
  • 1 0
 The last few years have kinda pushed me away from MTB. Too much BS.
  • 4 0
 I think D+ is serious about branching out into the "action" sports market. They own the coverage rights for the 21/22 world cup skiing season. The Norwegian commentating has been a bit meh after D+ got the rights so we usually turn down or mute the sound when we watch.

What really grinds my gears is that we had to subscribe to yet another package full of s#!% just to get a few hours a week of what we want, So we wind up subsidizing a ton of crap that we have absolutely no interest in, in exchange for mediocre coverage of one sport.

I like the F1 subscription model _much_ better: Formula racing and _only_ formula racing. The commentators are knowledgable and awesome and the features that the programmers work on actually enhance the viewing of the core content.
  • 1 0
 @st-lupo: they have the coverage rights in Europe maybe. Just like the Olympics, the Tour, MTB Wold Champs in the USA that is all NBC.
  • 14 0
 Team rumours: Reece Wilson to Discovery DH team.
  • 9 0
 Discovery broadcast the TDF? What? I had to watch that on NBC Gold or whatever they called it.

Also, Discovery broadcast EWS?? oh crap, that sounds ominous.....I've never seen an EWS. I'll miss RB XC coverage with Bart, that dude is smart and gave so much great insight into XC racing mindset/tactics.
  • 6 0
 Being the producer for a broadcast for a big off-road racing series (King of the Hammers/Ultra4 racing I will give you my thoughts on what is about to happen. Our events get edited down to NBC TV shows, so I have some experience with this.

Sadly, I don’t think it will be ever as good, as raw, and as enjoyable to watch as it has been over the red Bull years. The transition from Freecaster.TV to red Bull brought us expanded coverage, better angles, and solid graphics/beta. In my opinion it is not going to get much better than it was here.

Here’s the thing. Add more cameras and try to get more course coverage and what will happen is well actually see less and less of each race run. With so many racers, so much course, and only so much time for the event/broadcast, we’re going to get less and less of the action, and more and more of “the story.” It’s what the director, and the people running the show want. They want prepackaged content to put around the snipets of racing, because they believe it gives a more compelling broadcast to lay-viewers. The problem is we are not average viewers, we’re fanatics, that know what happened at the roast race, we know what happened last season, and we want love raw racing action. That is where the story is. That’s why we watch the races. We’ll be getting less and less of the raw coverage and more ans more of the mainstream stories that we see in all other forms of sport broadcast. People will tell you it’s good for the sort, it’s exposure, finally the athletes are making money, but all that is really happening is one of the best live webcasts is getting pushed aside in a cash grab and we’re all worse off for it.
  • 9 0
 If you film your run with your own gopro the footage belongs to red bull?
  • 10 0
 Yes. UCI sold any and all rights of any video captured during race runs to Red Bull. So you can film it and have that footage, but if you try and put it online anywhere you have to put a Red Bull logo on it.
  • 6 0
 This is why things like Cathrovision, and even racers gopros of course, always end with "Catch all the action live on Red Bull TV". It's not just them supporting the sport, which they should obviously, but it's a contractual obligation.
  • 2 0
 Remember that the same organization that sets the safety rules (like no mixed whee size bikes) also gets to tell athletes they can’t take pictures of themselves and then profit from views. Does anything sell like crash footage and comeback stories? And if that sounds like an insanely creepy conflict of interest, you’ve only just started to think about it.
May the odds be always in your favor!
  • 3 1
 red bull minions get to KO'd Rampage carcasses before the medics do--to retrieve the helmet gopro...

Ickiest thing I've seen from Red Bull. Gross.

(all this defending Red Bull I kinda forgot that)
  • 2 0
 Yes rb own the footage not you
  • 2 0
 They would like to think that. Contractually, they reserved the rights to the footage. It's just that said contract with the UCI isn't necessarily binding for riders at races in all countries. Like I said, RedBull Media House would like to think they own the footage, but in accordance with local laws, things might be differnet. Though as far as I know, no one has actually challenged their claims yet. People don't tend to bite the hand that (indirectly) feeds them.
  • 9 0
 I foresee another paywall... Frown
  • 6 0
 That is pretty much expected at this point.
  • 9 0
 @bman33: Can piracy be far behind? Yarr!
  • 6 1
 If it becomes subscription only and no longer free I'm going to rip my hair out. Sick of everything being a subscription these days. Redbull did an awesome job, the app worked great, free, Rob Warner and great commentary. Don't want to be a glass half empty person but fuck..
  • 9 0
 #keepROB
  • 5 1
 why has there been NO comments on all these concerns from Discovery or the UCI. It is a typical UCI move to not disclose info or be open about anything....as long as they can charge you for it. But come on Discovery, beat your own drum and let people know your intentions on all these valid concerns. Ya know, the race season is upon us and still nothing....!!!
  • 2 0
 The contract starts in 2023.
  • 3 0
 I require live coverage. I'd prefer to hear Rob Warner's voice in the booth during this live coverage. I require live coverage. Must be live. The coverage. Live. En vivo.

I will pay for live coverage, probably no questions asked.

Present me with live coverage. Not much more to say. I'll check back in next year.

Don't forget: live coverage.
  • 5 0
 ..or replay that not-edited live coverage whenever one fancies!
  • 4 0
 @knutspeed: okay hmm very good point

At this point I'll take a single broadcast of 80% RedBullTV quality with no replays if it's free. And has my guy Rob Warner.
Add on-demand full replays with The Voice of DH and I'll pay.
If you ditch the eggman and bring in an impostor, say Bob Warmer, I'll probably still pay.
But goddamn...
if it's not live then what are we talking--replays gotta be same day...instant...of what though? Pieced-together clips?

maybe Discovery has a travel wing they're trying to pump up...destroy the at-home viewing experience, forcing me to travel to every race now that I'm hooked...this is all about me right?
  • 3 0
 Somehow everyone complaining about it becoming a subscription is glossing over the fact that the Redbull streams were blacked out in the US last year and you had to buy a very expensive subscription to watch- or a VPN, which isn't free or (I know, I know) arguably legal.
A subscription to watch my local hockey team is $80/month, which I refuse to pay. I'd pay $5/mo for World Cup, it's the only sporting event I watch. If the money improves the camera coverage I'd pay it with joy.
I'd also like to be able to send in-app purchases that cause Rob Warner to drink a shot, but that's a stretch goal.
  • 3 0
 Every company exists to make money. The difference here is RedBull makes their money selling their drink product. They quickly discovered action sports were a fantastic market so they have used DH and XC race coverage as a marketing tool to generate revenue off sales of their product. They didn’t need to make money off the broadcasting coverage. For Disney, and therefore Discovery, broadcasting IS their product. They only way they will generate revenue is to charge the fan to watch and sell advertising. Neither of those are great for us. Any of the mainstream sports covered by Disney owned networks like ESPN and NBC are so littered with commercials they have become unwatchable. Did anyone watch The Olympic coverage this year in the US? If you actually timed it, which I didn’t, there was probably as much advertising time as their was actual event coverage. My wife and I lost interest early on and just quit watching. In addition, neither Disney or Discovery has a great history of understanding what makes the action sport participant interested. I hope I’m wrong, and they keep Rob and up the camera coverage without overcharging and selling an absurd amount of advertising.
  • 1 0
 mmmm.....this is quite a grim - and probable - assessment of the future. Damn, I'm gonna miss the Redbull days
  • 2 0
 This is a weird move I think, just trying to watch existing discovery shows online is a bit of a mess, they have multiple versions of the subscription/app/amazon integration. Do they even have experience in live sporting events? I think the RB coverage on track had gotten to a good place with # of cameras, a drone, good commentating, now that all is scrapped? or will Mike Rowe narrate everything going forward?
  • 5 1
 Mike Rowe an Rob Warner could be a fantastic combo!
  • 5 0
 @bman33: I'd pay for that. Track building is a "dirty job" after all
  • 3 0
 Discovery owns GCN and GMBN (PlayNowSports). They hold broadcast rights to a large chunk of UCI road races and stream them through their GCN+ service. This is how I expect they will broadcast XC and DH starting next year. Currently, it costs $60 USD for a one-year subscription to GCN+.
  • 3 1
 @NatusEstInSuht: I didn't know that, but that's good news, I like a lot of the GMBN presenters, but not crazy about the constantly recycled content Wink
  • 3 1
 Glad to hear all the riders agree that RB production leaves a lot to be desired from a camera perspective. If Discovery is offering a better product I'll happily pay for it. If Discovery is subcontracting the camera work to local crews like RB did this might be the end of it for me.
  • 2 0
 To go off Henrique Avancini's comment, it seems like we're transitioning into a time where riders and say independent filmers don't have any rights to their footage without first getting the approval of whatever company owns all the rights. I hope Discovery doesn't put a tight lid on racer produced content where their own GoPro footage belongs to the network.
  • 1 0
 That point past years ago
  • 2 0
 I hope the contract includes quality guarantees like "you're required to broadcast every race live, have at least 2 commentators, x% of the course covered by camera, arial drone shots", instead of being a straight "you have exclusive rights you can do whatever you want with them" contract. Worst case is selective or delayed coverage of events. Next worse case is bad camera coverage and commentators.
  • 2 0
 Discovery better have a free stream and replay worldwide or this is a major downgrade for the sport of mtb. If Discovery uses a traditional cable broadcast model then the UCI just flushed the sport down the drain for a quick cash grab. Like they usually do, the UCI is terrible.
  • 1 0
 It's called Discovery+. Get out your wallet.
  • 8 1
 Reece is delusional.
  • 2 0
 I can’t see the UCI pumping any of the money into mountain biking, especially Downhill, when they are only really interested in road and track cycling.
We can but hope that Discovery will push the coverage and bring it to a broader audience, but don’t hold your breath.
Subscription or worse still, PPV, will push a lot of viewers away
  • 2 0
 I really hope all of the concerns about Discovery turn out to be unfounded, but I do share a lot of them. If I zoom way out, I can't help but feel that the problem is the UCI. They should be doing more to continue to grow the sport.
  • 2 0
 They will call downhill „The Deadliest Ride“ and riders will have to stop mid ride for a scriped Interview.
American riders will be the heroes, of course, and the Frenchies all will have to be evil.
Sorry Loic, no more Super-Bruni you will be Dr. Brun from here on…
  • 3 0
 Seems like lots of unknowns right now. Seems fair to be a bit apprehensive at this point…..hard to beat free, accessible and great commentators.
  • 4 0
 I believe they ran out of Gold Rush content...

ON THIS GOLD RUSH - We drink every time Bruni says "frickin".
  • 1 0
 If discovery are gonna broadcast on Eurosport I think we're all gonna get the shaft. The Mx gp and Dakar footage is less than reliable with snooker, darts, tennis and pretty much every other sport getting priority. Also when Eurosport covered the worlds last year the commentator was boring to say the least. Hate to be cynical but I can't see this working in our favour.
  • 1 0
 It will be on Eurosport player.....you have to pay to get that.
  • 2 0
 @Starch-Anton: It will probably also be on GCN+
  • 1 1
 @billreilly: Oh jesus, then we're really f*cked.
  • 2 0
 @billreilly: Yes, I'm already a Eurosport subsriber, so didn't bother with GCN+. What tends to happen is they put the popular sports on Eurosport 1/2, so Snooker, Tennis, Ski-ing, etc and others get put on the Player.....
  • 5 0
 All I know is Rob Warner better be involved
  • 1 0
 I'd be gutted if Rob Warner was shelved
  • 1 0
 No doubt the uci is cashing out the sport there so greedy. Just look at how bad the prize money is for the risk the sport has. Discovery is just the sucker in this deal and I can see them being as good as redbull tv even with a paid subscription service. There's so many questions will it be live, replays available at all times, able to watch all races with no blackouts forcing you to use a vpn and who's doing the commentating.
  • 1 0
 I think HA hit the nail on the head. The coverage is just getting a following, and if you make people pay next year, you are going to lose the momentum. I watched every XC and short track the last 2 years, 90% of them live, and the rest on replay, but I dont think I would pay to watch them, I have enough subscriptions in my life.
  • 1 0
 Once again wyn does it just right. Were used to getting it free, but mx and road are paid and the broadcast is just awesome. If it free and mediocre we dont get shit, people dont follow and we dont enjoy. Divided in there... hope its free and good enough so that anyone can see it...
  • 1 0
 good point - but, they will have to make it very superior to the free coverage, as you well know, mtb'ers are some of the cheapest sports fans out there
  • 4 3
 I enjoy the hypocrisy of MTBers:

"MTBers, especially DH riders should get paid more"

When broadcasting is no longer done by a narrow niche streaming channel and there is a good chance of more outside sponsors as a consequence

"This can only be a bad thing for the sport"

It proves that Pinkers fear two things most: change and things staying the same
  • 1 0
 Nope, its not stay the same i am afraid of, its going back to what had not worked before.
You might be to young to remember when mountain was (about to) going mainstream and teams had major sponsors like just formula 1 or nascar teams that had absolutely no interest in sport but potential $.
We had races on pay tv for no one to see and major tv stations in individual countries having the rights, just like it still is at world champs, but not broadcasting it because mor people would watch a rerun off CSI…
Whole thing fell apart becaus viewer’s where just not there and for a few years we could not watch at all because the broadcasters still had the rights for a few more years when the decided to stop spending to produce… what followed was a crash of racing because the sponsors got no exposure and polled out too…

But you know what they say, the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history…
  • 1 0
 Volvo-Cannondale anyone? Perhaps the HISTORY CHANNEL will take over from Discovery in 2026...
  • 1 0
 The free access via redbull was a HUGE factor in bringing more curious people in, and I fear that Discovery is going to kill that momentum entirely by cloistering World Cup behind a pay wall....... At least if this happens, Bernard Kerr better get ready for a huge increase in subscribers to his YouTube LSD channel....
  • 1 0
 I think BK is on the money here. His LSDs, the pinkbike line guy, WynTv etc give the leadd up and behind the scenes, and they do a very good job. I think if discovery can keep that going and incentivize 3rd part supplement media, it will add a whole new dimension. That said, they have to improve on RBs coverage as well. High production value, live coverage, lots of camera angles etc.
Does it really only pay 3k to win and elite world cup? That needs to change. There is way too much money floating around world cups for 3k to win. We all know what DH riding at that level does to your body. Pay the athletes.
  • 5 0
 Rob got robbed?
  • 1 0
 Now I get why fast life started by saying it's in their final season, that was a well done series as well. What about RB athlete's? do you think they are going to thin out their contracts or drop riders?
  • 1 0
 Ask the the team sponsors, for 6.or 8 DH races and the amount of hours and costs involved I'm sure Redbull are happy to pass the baton, if I was a sponsor I would embrace it, do the riders care, they get paid no matter what.
  • 1 0
 This makes me aprehensive, it's almost like big sport governing bodies don't bother to look at what makes sports viewing figures high! I don't see this move going at all well imo.
  • 1 1
 I am sure the racers are secretly happy that they won't be forced to drink a can of red bull on camera. One of the top reasons why I am not racing world cup. I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face and not gag on all the sugar.
  • 1 0
 (sugar free versions exist....)
  • 1 0
 Discovery bought the broadcasting rights for the Olympics in my region. Sucked ass. Thanks for nothing. It will be a massive loss for the wc, give it a couple of seasons..
  • 1 0
 skimmed, but is it gonna be on discovery + ? if so i guess ill never see another bike thing .. im tired of "+ " draining my bank account
  • 1 0
 For thousands of fans around the world this is Goodbye to the WC Live broadcasts . Count on it . Redbull TV was doing an amazing job . I'm totally against this change
  • 1 1
 They are two completely different marcom groups with different approaches. I like what RB were doing but am excited to see what Discovery can do with more marketing $ behind them.
  • 1 0
 Just remember discovery makes its money selling tv programme people want to watch. RB makes its money selling drinks and the broadcasts are just marketing
  • 1 0
 RIP DH World Cup Racing, won't be the same after 2022. Discovery Channel and the UCI, they deserve each other....

Long live Crankworx DH with maybe RedBull on board now! Smile
  • 2 0
 Does this mean we'll all be sporting spandex DH kits?
  • 1 0
 We are already do
  • 3 0
 did you miss the Naked and Afraid crossover comment
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: with dropper posts.....
  • 1 0
 We will see. Enough time to stress and rage about it (or maybe not) when the details come out.
  • 2 0
 Wickles purple bike is dope.
  • 2 5
 I personally think that it will be a good outlet for the sport to be more exposed and open to the world. I think Red Bull TV is what is Mountain bikers will prefer but for everyone else this will make a lot of sense and hopefully helps out sport develop even more.
  • 1 0
 But Everyone else insn‘t watching mountainbikeing i am afraid…
  • 2 0
 Discovery = PPV
  • 2 1
 Now I wish I could drink that teeth rottening stuff.
  • 2 0
 The sugarfree is better!
  • 1 1
 @drunknride: it’s the citric acid that I’m most worried about.
  • 3 0
 @unrooted: I'd rather buy new teeth then stop using copious amounts of limes in my cocktails
  • 2 1
 Well it was fun while it lasted RBTV.
  • 1 1
 Hopefully it will mean those with other helmet graphics will get a look in in the pre and post shows
  • 1 0
 Some of these riders sure do know how their bread is buttered.
  • 1 0
 Rob being replaced would be a crime against humanity.
  • 1 0
 Lets hope Discovery Rampage doesn't become a thing.
  • 1 0
 Has anyone noticed this beautiful bike and outfit by Dean Lucas?
  • 1 0
 BK Is the man for his honesty alone. Cheers
  • 1 0
 ......no....Lada is THE MAN!
  • 1 0
 @jokermtb: He is a good pup Big Grin
  • 2 3
 Change is scary - said no one that was ever successful at anything.
  • 3 0
 UCI will make the racing better - said no one that was ever watching.
  • 1 1
 The wake of dead bodies that litter the hillside as the champion stands triumphant atop the mountain probably feel differently quite often.
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