Chromag Announces Doctahawk, a Super Aggressive 180mm, 29er Hardtail

Feb 11, 2019 at 6:14
by James Smurthwaite  

Just a couple of weeks ago I said that most hardcore hardtails fall around the 140-150mm travel bracket but Chromag has just thrown that rulebook out of the window with its new 180mm travel Doctahawk 29er.

This bike was built for people who don't think Chromag's (already pretty radical) 160mm Rootdown went far enough and it's easily one of the most aggressive hardtails being made today. The numbers make this bike sound like a monster truck - 29 inch wheels, a 62° head angle, 77° seat angle and a 501mm reach in size large. This envelope-pushing geometry puts it way beyond most hardtails or even full-suss enduro bikes and is clearly designed for tackling some of the most brutish terrain going.


Normally we would worry that a 180mm hardtail would steepen up too much as it goes through its travel to be any use at all. Chromag is aiming to nullify this with the slack initial head angle and the length of the bike. Theoretically, a longer bike means the pivot point is farther away from the fork, so the change in head angle should be less severe.


Like a lot of Chromag bikes, the Doctahawk is built from Chromoly steel tubing by hand in British Columbia. The bike is the brain child of Clark (Doc Tomahawk) Lewis, an emergency physician in Whistler. Clark has been riding his full time since last spring and claims it is, "a giant leap forward in the right hands and in the right terrain." The frames will be fabricated by Chromag’s newest welder, Brad Howlett.


The bike comes in two builds, a GX Eagle level that retails at $4,999 CAD ($4,300 USD) and an Eagle XO1 build for $6,090 CAD ($5,250 USD). If you fancy a frame alone, it will set you back $1,900 CAD ($1,650 USD). For more info, click here.




490 Comments

  • + 405
 LOL Thanks for the feedback everyone!
  • - 280
 lol maybe you should listen instead of LOL
  • + 20
 Comment of year. Calling it. This bike is so great on so many level. Also puts it near a what would be a production Warbird. Cool as fuck.
  • + 25
 Chormag, please build me one of these with 180mm travel out back as well, 29er wheels and move the dropper cable from the bottom of the downtube to the top. A Canadian version of a Sick Gnarpoon if you will. Do that and I’m all in.

Plus no more baby blue bikes please. #saynotobabybluemtb2019
  • + 34
 @chromag I have a 2018 Rootdown BA, running 275 x 2.8" with a fox 36 Grip 2 at 170mm. This bike brought new life to my local trails and gives me a whole new reason to ride. The Doctahawk makes total sense, this is the direction bikes are going and I am stoked to try one!
  • + 11
 Gotta say, I have a 2018 Rootdown and even building it up I was a bit sceptical... But it is a riot! Super fun bike, extremely capable. This bike looks amazing as well, would love to ride one.
  • + 5
 Surface is my favorite bike I've owned, and the first one in awhile I vow not to sell. Cheers to you !
  • + 5
 Thank you for making this @Chromagbikes I've been looking at the Moxie Enduro out of Scotland and waiting for the currency to plummet in the UK with Brexit. Now I can just drive up from Seattle and pick one up. Its sooo wonderful to see someone finally making a modern 29er hardtail. This is my next bike.
  • + 12
 This bike reminds me of the guy who'd slay most peoples times in the Mt.7 Psychosis race on a hardtail... Shouldn't be possible but is!
  • + 16
 A bike like this really hasn’t existed before and suddenly everyone ‘knows’ it can’t serve a purpose.
  • + 1
 I think you need get Josh Bender on your bikes he is OG when comes to pushing limits on a Hardtail
  • + 2
 @dv8416: With a risse bigfoot... guy was a fool, but we love him
  • + 62
 my brain says yes, but my knees say go fuck yourself.
  • - 3
 I love this thing! I want it. lol I already ride my rootdown faster than I should. Is this thing considered a down-country bike?!?! LOL
  • + 8
 @shredb4dead: At the risk of being assassinated via keyboard, this was custom painted for JM. You can have whatever colour your heart desires!
  • + 5
 @DaveySImon: did you just compare canada's pipeline-less economy to the uk's europe-less economy? Cuz if you did, your not wrong
  • + 7
 At least here there’s place for more than 4 water bottles LOL
  • + 16
 425 chainstays with a 501 reach?? On paper it looks like a ‘79 Corvette... if the drivers seat was in the trunk!
I’m all for long and slack but would have to have a serious test ride before even considering. Nevermind the $$ for cro-mo and pressfit.
  • + 5
 Take the Rootdown BA and make a fat bike out of it, Please, we need decent fat bikes to ride in BC, Thanks
  • + 1
 I love it! It’s good to know that I have an option if my Mondraker Vantage ever dies!
  • + 3
 @g123: my Rootdown in size M/L has 415 chainstays and 457 Reach. On paper it doesn't work but in riding it sure as hell does. Front Center is long enough to keep your weight where it needs to be for climbing and it is super balanced when descending, an absolute riot to ride.
  • + 7
 How soon till we get a video of some one shredding on this bike?
  • + 2
 Where is the super rad promo video for this bike!?
  • + 2
 @Trevorjn: well then I’d give it an honest shot.
  • + 0
 If I am not mistaken the bike in the photos has a 27.5" rear wheel and 29" front. This was not mentioned in the write up. Can you speak to this?
  • + 2
 Now we need dual crowns forks with less offset.
  • + 2
 It's nice to see proportionally sized chain stays. Well played Chromag.
  • + 2
 sick bike but where the hell is my double crown hardtail
  • + 1
 @Chickenwithshovel: sweet jumps
  • + 2
 New bike = New video... ?
  • + 2
 @Chromagbikes: ever heard of the BTR Belter? Similar concept, super slack initial head angle that steepens up as the fork goes through travel. Anyone who has ridden a slack long travel hard tail knows the advantage comes in the negative travel available. The front wheel never leaves the ground. Never.
  • + 1
 This must be good ... but i dont have any money left LOL .. need a 26er tho later
  • + 191
 They were so preoccupied to see if the could, they didn’t stop to think of they should.
  • + 193
 I can understand this. I ate an entire bath towel once. 4/10 required surgery but the taste and challenge were sublime.
  • + 26
 @IamTheDogEzra: try it with rice.
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Feb 11, 2019 at 10:19) (Below Threshold)
 @warmerdamj: so that he has to pay on the way out as well?
  • - 3
 @IamTheDogEzra: please elaborate. This sounds gold!
  • + 4
 I'm sure the M1 was first greeted with a similar "tell me the extreme geo and I will tell you it sucks" attitude. The only way to know if sonething works is to try it. Hats off to Chromag for trying.
  • + 6
 @Rubberelli: well I have been riding long travel hard tails at least 10 years ahead of them getting as cool and edgy as a loaded dude quitting his well paid corporate job to start Alpaca farm. I had a Haro HT with 170 RC2x. Let me tell you, I bought a FS bike as soon as I could and it was a crappy Gemini DH Replica, and it was miles ahead of that hard tail... so well no. It sucks in comparison to Stumpjumper comp for half the money.

I am nonetheless happy Chromag made it. Niechey companies Niechey things is always good.
  • + 5
 Life... finds a way
  • + 173
 Pole Bikes: "We make bikes with the most crazy Geo on the planet! No one's Geos are crazier than ours!"

Chromag: "hold my beer..."
  • - 30
flag SintraFreeride (Feb 11, 2019 at 10:17) (Below Threshold)
 Good effort from Chromag but still not as "radical" as Pole or Geometron.
  • + 28
 It was not beer anymore...
  • + 11
 Even sick bicycles is sweating
  • + 0
 @hamncheez: they got trigger-fended
  • + 3
 I don't think anyone would be able to think of that drunk...

Probably was more like "hold my crack pipe"
  • + 157
 This is officially out of control!
  • + 97
 Yeah, why is the seat tube so slack?
  • + 31
 @WAKIdesigns: Because after you gas to flat, and your HA increases back to normal, you'll momentarily enjoy a rational SA for pedalling... Until you need to pedal again.
  • + 4
 Absolutely my sentiment as well!
  • + 5
 i love it
  • + 12
 This thing is insane. I think I like it.
  • + 10
 Yes indeed, 1308mm wheelbase and 526mm reach in XL, 62 degree HA and 180mm fork on a hardtail... This almost makes the new Santa Cruz V10 29 look conservative in terms of geometry.
  • + 21
 my inner bmxican wants to singlespeed the shit outta that.
  • + 135
 if i don't need any travel out back, why do i need 180mm in the front?
  • + 202
 Cause f*ck yeah?
  • + 77
 Because you want your wrists to be really happy, but don't care as much about your ankles?
  • + 17
 most important comment of the year. everybody asking how much, no one asking WHY?
  • + 26
 You’d be surprised. Because you’ve got no rear suspension your sort of lean over the front wheel and hang on for dear life. I regularly smash through 160mm on my hardtail. I could happily run 180mm.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: helps the confidence entering a big move.....then once your beyond escape this long bike can get you through, just gotta hang on and point.
  • + 10
 I think it is fine. My hardtail has 120mm forks and a 63 headangle (unsprung). So if you use a longer travel fork, to compensate you also need a slacker headangle. 62deg for a frame with a 180mm fork seems nice. If you aren't chasing the clock but still want the sensation of speed, I think no rear suspension is just fine. If gives you this nice feeling of being on the edge of control but nothing your legs can't handle. But you'll want front suspension to help with steering and braking especially on the descends. This bike may not be the quicker on the climbs, but you'll be spending more time enjoying your descends. What's not to like?
  • + 25
 @slumgullion: Because wrists can get you through times with no ankles better than ankles can get you through times with no wrists.
  • + 3
 I run a 170mm DVO diamond on my Whyte 905. I started it at 150 and 170 feels much better.
  • + 4
 @rideitall-bmx-dh-road-unicycle: to create the need! Until now you couldn't know you've really need this bike Wink
  • + 11
 @wowbagger: Ask the guys who put 300mm travel Marzocchi Super Monsters on their old Evil Imperial hardtail frames. They even put 24x3.0 beach cruiser tires on them for urban freeriding lol.
  • + 4
 @pikebait2013: beat me to it! Bring back the hardtails and triple clamps! :-)
  • + 3
 I rode an Evil Imperial SL with a 180mm singlecrown Sherman back in da day. Best bike ever
  • + 1
 @wowbagger: I find rear suspension most handy when you are riding everyday (so your a$$ don't get sore) or on climbs. I need front suspension so I don't get arm pump and/or get forced to release the handlebars on severe impact. If you don't ride on the regular and don't care to be climbing like a goat. HT is the way to go (they feel so nice). My 2 cents.
  • + 2
 @pikebait2013: Man thoose were good days
  • + 8
 My legs are like exactly 180mm longer than my arms.
  • + 1
 @vinay: what frame do you have? Sounds like what I’ve been looking for!
  • + 2
 @jj12jj: BTR Ranger, 26" wheels. Larger wheel models have a slightly steeper head angle. Look at the pictures in my profile Smile .
  • + 3
 @cunning-linguist: Hell yeah! Someone needs to bolt a MRP Bartlett on this one and go nuts!
  • + 1
 @slumgullion: haha, so this bike is a therapeutic way to increase ankle strength?
  • + 2
 @slumgullion: not true for me, and I realized how much the lack of really suspension affects the wrists/arms pretty clearly...

Currently I have some kind of elbow tendinite, and riding XC on my 150mm hardtail brings back the pain, for example when landing rear wheel first. And the fork is smooth...

The rear of the bike is still connected without suspension to the handlebars.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: Its true. Riding an aggro hardtail as it should be ridden, does tap into some intentional "nose forward riding". I wasnt aware of this until I actually started experiencing it myself. That's how rad aggro hardtails are, you really start paying attention to details on another level. With that said, I couldn't imagine a situation where 180mm upfront would be justified. 160mm is legit, 180 and I dread to think what that back end is going through to use all of that 180.
  • + 1
 to kick riders on enduro full sussers
  • + 73
 Yesterday: OMG why can't Knolly bikes be made in Canada
Today: why is this Chromag made in Canada so expensive?

To me, the really interesting point is that the new guy at Chromag had what he thought was a cool idea for a new bike, and that bike is now in production!
  • + 3
 Absolutely, I've no interest in the race to the bottom that the bike industry has become. Let's make rad shit that people want to ride.
  • + 63
 To each their own but I don't really see the point. I have a 130mm Guerrilla Gravity hardtail with a 65° HTA and it's pretty well balanced. On high speed descents you'll have issues keeping the rear under control long before you need a 180mm travel fork.
  • + 19
 I beg to differ. I have a HT with a 160mm Pike. The fork travel makes the whole bike ride smoother. You land jumps more nose heavy than on a FS bike. The faster you go the better the back end skips over the rough.The more fork the better.
  • + 14
 You need to upfork your pedalhead man. 150mm up front on mine and that thing parties. Raced angel fire on it last year!
  • + 0
 @headshot: avoiding skipping through the rough is what suspension is for. I'm sure the longer fork helps some but nothing compared to a good FS.
  • + 5
 remember when Kona did it with a dual crown fork..... good times!.... or something!
  • + 4
 @headshot: agreed 160mm here too it’s definitely better.
  • + 3
 @jeremy3220: get over the front and go fast enough to skip over everything.
  • + 4
 @thenotoriousmic: That doesn't work in rough terrain because it makes the rear even more likely to get bucked off line or literally make you go OTB. Unweighted the rear is fine if you're really good at riding a unicycle with no feet.
  • + 3
 @jeremy3220: yeah you just leave the back wheel to do it’s own thing and get all your weight on the front wheel that’s why 180mm isn’t a bad idea. You could ether run more sag for more grip or save the extra 20mm for emergencies.
  • + 14
 @jeremy3220: Have you ridden a long travel hardtail? If you do it right, you can "ride the fork" in most situations. Requires speed and a lot of ankle and knee technique, but you never get that OTB feeling and the back wheel will go where you want. I have a 15 foot root section, the first time I went balls out and tried to have the fork take it, I was shocked. 160mm fork, used 140mm of travel and didn't ding a single rim. It's technique. I get 3-4 seasons out of my rear, 500 gram aluminum rims. I've also never had a rear wheel bounce off line with out me allowing it to. (Skills, I got them). I think you are miss informed or talking out your rear..
  • + 5
 I have a Honzo with a 120mm, and that's already a bit scary when it uses the full travel and the geometry gets so much steeper. I guess that's why this bike needs a 62 HA. I'm also pretty sure I'd get bucked off a hardtail on the type of terrain that's capable of bottoming a 160 or 180 fork unless it was setup super soft with a ton of sag. I personally don't get it, but if a hardtail with a 180mm fork is what's fun for you, then go for it.
  • + 4
 @oldschool43: Yeah I've ridden a Chromag with a 150mm fork. My background is bmx, riding with no suspension is my strong suit. I used to ride my bmx on mtb trails. I'm not talking about root sections where you don't use full travel or OTB feelings. Keep do what you're doing. It sounds like it's working for you.
  • + 2
 Im not familiar with full suspension, been riding hardtails for last three years but had the same idea until I developed some actual skill (not saying anyone else doesnt). Im riding a chomag stylus on 26+ and actually cosidering increasing the travel on my helm after lowering it originally. Its not intuitive how speed helps stability in the rear on rough terrain.
  • - 4
flag jeremy3220 (Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26) (Below Threshold)
 @thenotoriousmic: Unweighting the rear makes it even easier for it to get bucked off line. The rear has to come down, it will experience a certain bump force, uweighting it will cause greater deflection. Also, if you don't have to make big dynamic movements the terrain isn't that rough.
  • + 0
 @Rgdelgadillo: 3 years? I was doing 360s about 20 years ago with no suspension. The arrogance of you newbs is unbelievable.
  • + 5
 @jeremy3220: yeah mate don’t worry about the back wheel just put a double down or a dh tyre on and leave it to do it’s own thing. You just worry about the front and everything will be fine.
  • + 4
 @jeremy3220: lol, Im not counting my previous 25 years of sporadic riding and idiocy on two wheels haha
  • + 2
 @jeremy3220: I don't stiff arm it and I don't unweight the rear. I'm also clipped in, but with a freestyle background, can do it all on flats too. If I leaned back, stiff armed it and let it do it's thing, it would blow through the travel and definitely make my back wheel do it's own thing. We have a trails I ride that are all rocks, from sharp to square edged to basketball sized with baby heads a plenty. Sometimes I do a stoppie, nose wheelie, into a corner through braking bumps. Sometimes a manual and bump jump sections rocks. Never a thought 160mm wasn't enough travel and have ridden dh tracks with it, it's a 26er. I have a rigid 29er I ride all the same trails with and a 120mm 29er hardtail. A 180 hardtail 29er with those short chainstays, that could be a bike that would make me never consider a full suspension bike, like ever.
  • + 2
 @oldschool43: If you're shifting weight onto your hands, you're taking weight off of the rear. You're now supporting more of your body weight through your arms and using your much more powerful legs less. Now the same bump forces to the rear wheel cause more deflection. This is why actual experts will tell you to drop your heals. Also, in no way does shifting your body weight a tiny bit onto the fork some how take the rear wheel out of the equation.

Your explanation makes no sense and you won't be able to provide links to experts supporting your idea.
  • + 3
 @jeremy3220: Oh, but it does. With enough volume support, or mid stroke support for the newbies, and dropped heals that work like springs, let your arms move a bit and 40+ years of bike riding experience, you can "ride in the fork". I'm telling you, with a 160 fork, I have cleared sections where I thought, "Man, that fork took it all". I don't need facts, it's a feeling, I can feel. I've unweighted the wheel, and caused it to bounce off rocks in a direction I wanted it to go. Riding a hardtail the last 20 years is an art. I've owned 3 full suspension bikes, you can forget how to ride a hardtail in a hurry. You keep talking about this rear wheel thing. If you translate it to horses, it's disconnecting the front and rear. The front goes one way, the rear the other and you control it. You can do that with a bike. Or at least, I can. The bike floats under me. I don't even keep a tight grip on the bars, just let the bike float around under me with equal pressure to the front and rear. You might need try it again. I've never gone over the bars or had the rear go somewhere I didn't want it to go. I left a group of full suspension dudes in the dust on my 120 29er hardtail. It's a skill. I can track stand for hours, sitting or standing. And can ride wheelies for miles, so maybe I have keen balance skills or maybe it's from racing downhill in the early 90's on a 70mm cross country hardtail. But I have zero issue holding a line and letting the fork take it.
  • + 0
 @oldschool43: you're describing a feeling, not a riding technique. Any appreciable static weight on to the bars will result in less control.

Anyone that's ridden a steep gnarly rock garden on any bike (even a DH bike) knows you need to dynamically balance the bike to keep it under control. I think you know that and are just trying to justify your preference.
  • - 2
 @jeremy3220: Dude, you're not listening. You're trying to prove something that happens to YOU riding a hardtail. Still, you're saying "weighting the bars". You let the bike float under you, hit that section with a ton of speed, letting the front wheel do most of the work, and your body does the rest of the work. It's a technique. If I want the back end to bounce around, I have to change my style to do it, I don't have that problem, so I am doing it right. It's a skill, that you need to constantly keep practicing. The FS bikes I had, you don't have to do anything and it let's you get away with almost anything. Did you not read, "nose wheeling braking bumps"? Did you not read I haven't gone over the bars, in almost 20 years I might add. Have you watched any hard core hardtail trail riding videos? Watch very closely. There are things going on there. To your, "You'll go OTB if..." I have ridden 45,000+ miles off road, I have gone over the bars 3 times on the trail. A 2 foot deep rain rut, a downed tree and clipping a tree have had me go over the bars. I have raced cross country, downhill and dual slalom and never went over the bars. And I finished top 10 every time. Never swapped ends or had the back wheel go somewhere else. Hate to say it, but you might be doing something wrong. I rode Cooper Harbor's downhills and even hit Hell Track in TN last summer, the 130mm 29er hardtail I rode had just enough travel to have me hit everything and also hit 30+ mph. With a 150mm fork or more, (and a switch to 200mm rotors) I would race a 29er hardtail in a DH class. Not on my 160mm 26er, it likes to find holes and slow down. I think there is a saying, it's not the size of the gun, it's how you use it.
  • + 2
 @oldschool43: precisely. I started on HT bikes 25 years ago. Then dual for 12 years and now I ride both. All this talk of the front dropping away and going OTB is rather odd. It took me a good few rides to get into the HT but now it feels completely natural. Mainly getting your lazy legs used to being the rear suspension.
  • + 5
 @oldschool43:
You've only been over the bars 3 times in 20 years whilst placing top 20 in DH races? Forgive me for believing that what you just said is utter BS.
  • + 3
 @oldschool43: "Still, you're saying "weighting the bars". "

See the other posters who talk about riding the fork by getting their weight forward. I didn't come up with the weight over the front thing.

"You let the bike float under you, hit that section with a ton of speed, letting the front wheel do most of the work, and your body does the rest of the work."

Your technique explanation is describing the regular way of riding except you're slipping phrases like "ride the fork" and "let the front wheel do most of the work". Are you saying to be less active on the bike? Again, you're not explaining the technique. Maybe you can provide a link to someone else explaining the 'ride the fork' technique?

"I have raced cross country, downhill and dual slalom and never went over the bars. And I finished top 10 every time. "

Not even the world's best finish top 10 everytime so that's a lie.

"I rode Cooper Harbor's downhills and even hit Hell Track in TN last summer, the 130mm 29er hardtail I rode had just enough travel to have me hit everything and also hit 30+ mph."

Do you mean Devil's Racetrack? I thought we were talking about rough terrain.

" With a 150mm fork or more, (and a switch to 200mm rotors) I would race a 29er hardtail in a DH class."

So all that bullshit about never going OTB while finishing top ten in every DH race wasn't on a hardtail?

"Not on my 160mm 26er, it likes to find holes and slow down. I think there is a saying, it's not the size of the gun, it's how you use it."

These two sentences speak for themselves.
  • - 5
flag oldschool43 (Feb 12, 2019 at 6:30) (Below Threshold)
 @jeremy3220: Haha.. You're a joke son! I raced for 12 years, last race was a NORBA National in 2003. Qualified 8th out of 118 entrants. Had a down pour and washed out the front tire at the last gate on my second run of the top 8. Had the eventual winner by 2 gates at the time. I raced DS at the Cactus Cup in Galena, finished top 10 all 3 times. Pros were mixed in there. I have kids, so I stopped racing and worked to pay the bills. I'm 48 and can still manual city blocks and ride a wheelie a mile, do it every spring. You just keep judging and talking like an idiot, you can be president one. Good luck to you trying to figure out how not to go OTB. Smile
  • + 14
 @oldschool43: can you also throw a pig skin over them mountains?
  • + 1
 @jeremy3220: it really doesn't matter whether or not its bullshit, and the riding style is really simple to understand, and you even said it yourself, ride normally and be less active. The feeling is of being more over the front because of the lack of rear suspension, but really you hang off the back and plow through everything. You will bounce around more on a hardtail than on a full suspension, but because you're off the back you will have more control and stay on your lines more. I haven't ridden a hardtail in quite a while, but I know this feeling, and the explanations given are very clear. There isn't any reason for you to get as upset as you are over this, just ask to have the explanation rephrased in a way you understand.
  • + 1
 @TheSlayer99: Others have said to "ride over the front" or "ride the fork". You're saying to hang off the back. That's not very clear at all. I have an aggressive hardtail and I'm not looking for advice. I'm simply stating that I need rear suspension well before I need a 180mm fork.
  • - 2
 @arrowheadrush: hmmm.. As a matter if fact... Nope, can't. But I can save 15% on car insurance....
  • + 3
 @oldschool43: You’re my hero.
  • + 2
 @jeremy3220: you're interpreting what people are saying to suit your own agenda which is disbelief that a long travel fork will work well on a HT. The facts are that they do when paired with the right frame and set up. Thousand of people have been doing it for years.
  • + 1
 @headshot: yeah your fork does way more on a hardtail extra travel really helps.
  • + 1
 @jeremy3220: perfect, heels down!!!
  • + 2
 @jeremy3220: Yo dawg, did you see the designers story? He said, "Ride the fork", "mid-stroke support" and "never felt like I would OTB it". Guess the guy that had the bike named after him doesn't know how to ride a travel hardtail either. Wink On that note, I remember why I don't comment on shit, people are idiots...
  • + 59
 So, we have proof that Banshee Morphines successfully bred in the Canadian wilds, hybridising with Dekerfs. Now their grand children are coming to slay us all.
  • + 3
 Sold my morphine 8 years ago. I wish I kept it. I had a DC on it, but the bb height was shit. It worked with 140mm up front though.
  • + 49
 I have a 65HA "aggressive" hardtail.

I have an "enduro" full suspension bike.

The aggro hardtail is just as capable as the full squish on anything that's smooth. Whenever rocks and roots get added to the mix, it beats up my wrists and body and is nowhere near as fast. And on anything that's pretty steep, since the rear stays the same height as the fork compresses, it gets very "dive-y" compared to the full squish bike where both ends can compress.

So I guess my point is, what's the point? A bike that's as expensive as many super-capable full-squish bikes...where's the justification? As soon as it gets really steep, or rocky, or rooty, this is a forced handicap compared to a full boing bike.
  • - 8
flag swan3609 (Feb 11, 2019 at 10:52) (Below Threshold)
 Carbon bars and rev grips go a long ways toward helping those sore wrists and arms.. Made a huge difference for me on my NS Eccentric when I wanted to start getting rowdy..
  • + 36
 Two words: rubber cranks.
  • + 11
 Updoot for "full boing bike".
  • - 1
 You dont say what frame or fork you are riding but my aggro HT with 160 Pike does not suffer from the problems you experience. On a steep down the rear suspension extends rather than compresses anyway. On ups you have the opposite problem with a dual, too much compression ruining the seat angle.
  • + 1
 Totally. Looks fun, but ridic price, and it's chro-mo for F's sake!
  • + 1
 Not to mention I can promise you that whatever price it gets released for, you could get a couple year used Yamaha yz250 for the same price or less. Seems like a no brainier to me, but the marketing in mtb has everyone thinking that the prices are justified.
  • + 45
 Goodbye, fork bushings. You were nice while you lasted.
  • + 39
 The purple fade paint job is straight fire!
  • + 38
 What is this, a geometry contest?
  • + 9
 It needs to be at least....two times slacker!!
  • + 2
 @lehott: That would be really really ridiculously slack.
  • + 37
 Good grief! Thread that bb shell. FFS!
  • + 35
 My back hurts just looking at the geo
  • + 18
 a reach of 476mm paired with a 415mm chainstay. sounds balanced...
  • + 1
 @bashhard: 425 large and 435 XL at least?
  • + 0
 @yzedf: try 440mm otherwise it wont be balanced.
Look at Poles or Nicolais chainstays they are also long
  • + 1
 @NotNamed: This is a hardtail though, so you don't get the same rear suspension sag when climbing steeper terrain so maybe not as much of an issue? Would have to do some physics to work out if rear sag makes that much of a difference.

Kudos for different CS length for different sizes, all bikes should have this.
  • + 1
 ESTA is close to actual seat tube angle. Long front center supports forward rotation of rider, which in terms of weighting increases chainstay length. Yr back pain will be 'dynamic' unless you're shorter than 5' 10".
  • + 30
 Everyone is missing the point of this bike. This is the sort of bike you take out on a Friday after work with your buddies, throw a beer in the bottle holder (2 actually, since this has 2 bottle holders. Surprised that didn't earn it instant PB points), and blow off some steam riding the gnarliest fall line shit you can find. Why 62* HA? Because F*ck it. Why 180mm fork? Because F*ck it. If you're looking for a practical daily driver, you probably wouldn't be spending $1700 on a steel hardtail frame anyways.
  • + 1
 ^ exactly - i bought a second-hand Chromag Wideangle this year and it's been fun as hell! I'm certainly not any faster on the trails but that wasn't the point. Fun, easy to maintain, etc... Granted, my frame was way cheaper since it's imported.
  • + 34
 headangle: 62°; with full fork compression: 90°
  • + 3
 dude that's what i'm saying. geo changes a hell of a lot over 180mm of travel haha.
  • + 17
 Quick calc:
it should go from 62 to 64 sagged to 69.5 on full compression.
And the wheelbase should shorten 1" sagged then 3.5" on full compression.
  • + 1
 It's actually closer to 71 degrees but I get what your saying.
  • + 1
 In case you haven't noticed a dual suspension bike rear suspension tends to extend rather than compress on the steep downs. The geo change is hardly noticeable if you set up your fork right I.e slightly firmer than on a dual.
  • + 25
 I wanna see a video of Jinya shredding on this now
  • + 4
 To right, that guy can ride HT,s
  • + 7
 More videos of Jinya anything, man. I think he's back in Japan, so perhaps less PNW mountain partying these days.
  • + 3
 @mammal: me to mate. He still makes a video now n then..
  • + 1
 You guys are right, Jinya rips! I don’t think he rides for Chromag any more but he’d prob be all over this. I want one that thing looks fun!
  • + 21
 All the you don't need this or you don't need that comments are hilarious. Some folks just cant handle a cycle of this nature.... don't hate on it. Embrace it or shut cho Trap! lol
  • + 18
 This was clearly designed for people who want a wild pony to add to their stable, but people are commenting like this was designed to be a cheap do-it-all bike. If you don't think it's rad, you aren't the customer they are marketing to.
  • + 17
 1650 US$ for a Cromo frame?!! Come on! You can almost have a Titanium Stanton Switchback frame for that price!!!
And no threaded bottom bracket?
No thanks!
  • + 30
 A Titanium Stanton Switchback costs $2377 USD.
  • + 43
 @Togeone: your facts are getting in the way of a good whinge
  • + 13
 @Togeone: But a threaded BB is priceless.
  • + 2
 @Togeone: $3160can...plus extra shipping I'd guess...plus duty. Ti Cromag is $3600...4.25lbs
  • + 4
 @loopie: You might want to check out Corvid Cycles. I have a custom Dirt Surfer being built with a 65 deg head angle 76 deg seat angle (sagged) and a 490mm reach. Full titanium, lots of custom touches, loads of standover, hand welded in Colorado by an ex-Merlin
employee all for $2500 USD. www.corvidcycles.com
  • + 1
 @jon-boy: Nice looking rig.....so $3325can, no duty(cuz USA made)
  • + 2
 @loopie: yep. Chad at Corvid is great to work with too. Forgot to mention this is built around a 160mm fork.
  • + 17
 "Get to da Choppa"
  • + 1
 Beat me to it!
  • + 1
 best line in movie history...ever
  • + 14
 All I skimmed is 62 deg 180mm front hard tail at 320mm BBH 29er with real long reach. I WANT TO RIDE IT!
  • + 14
 Looks like a backwards Yuba cargo bike
  • + 10
 Ever since I saw a guy riding the woodlot back in 2003 on a burly hardtail with a Monster T I've been in awe of such machines and their riders. Ive always wanted to be that rider - dominating on the gnar on a simple hardtail. Unfortunately I hate riding them and they would kill my growing older body.
  • + 1
 What a defeatist attitude. Frown
  • + 2
 @ACree: I'm just afraid Kelito would outride me !
  • + 15
 Press fit?
  • + 18
 Yeah, it's because it's really REALLY hard to cut threads into carbon.... Oh.... wait......

(I f****** hate press fit, nothing but grief.)
  • + 10
 Pretty sure the PF standard allows the chainstays to be welded wider apart to accommodate big tires and shorter stays. Now if people would stop asking for such short stays maybe we could return to threaded BBs.
  • + 9
 In steel it's fine. Think BMX.
  • + 1
 Wasn't this the reason someone would want an American BB? Aside from the fact that you could thread a cheap one piece crank through the BB, you could also still thread huge bearings in these BB shells. Sure my BMX is heavy (16kg or so) but considering people get so upset about press fit bottom brackets it may be worth considering those big shells again.

That said, I think seated pedaling is nice for long epic rides whereas a hardtail like this imho lends itself best for shorter blasts where you're best of riding standing up. Never really looked into q-factor stuff but I suppose it matters mostly for seated pedaling. When you stand up your body is less picky about stuff like that. I don't know the q-factor of my bike but the frame has a 73mm bb shell and I'm using a pretty wide external bb (Truvativ Howitzer) and still find my feet mostly on the outer part of my pedals.
  • + 12
 This is too much. I can't look
  • + 12
 why oh why PRESSFIT
  • + 7
 This bike looks rad! You guys that think it’s easy to just thread a bb, the BB shell needs to be wider and 73mm doesn’t cut it, it needs to a pressfit. It’s so you can make bigger tires fit and still have the short stays. Chromag is a awesome company that ride these bikes well before they become available to the public so I’m guessing this rides great because the couple of Rootdowns I’ve owned are getting better and better each model. If I had the coin I’d be ordering one of these doctahawks in a heartbeat!
  • + 6
 Kona had no trouble putting a threaded bottom bracket in the Honzo ST....
  • + 4
 and you don't thread the non-threaded shell, chromag should have welded an existing threaded shell into the frame in the first place.
  • + 2
 @brickdangerblade: Honzo ST tire clearance isn't as good as Chromag's when they used a 73mm. I'd bet it doesn't come close now.
  • + 0
 @privateer-wbc: Yup. Have a 2.6 magic Mary on the back of my Samurai right now, and still have at least 3/8” clearance everywhere. That’s with 73mm threaded. I imagine the clearance on this is wider than advertised as well.
  • + 1
 RSD did a threaded BB with a steel boost frame that accepts a 27.5 x 3.0. It can be done.
  • + 1
 @brickdangerblade: my Honzo ST clears a Maxxis 2.5". Barely.
  • + 1
 @eoisaacs: and my Stylus clears one with gobs of room.
  • + 9
 Lol, whats the point of using a 180mm single crown fork, just use Fox 40 203mm travel instead. Lol. this bike is so ridiculous!
  • + 7
 as always, chromag puts out a classy looking frame. it doesnt seem to be intended for high speed descents, but rather all those steep, rooted, techy eroded sections that i find up in canada on many xc rides i get talked into doing. when i go up to BC i bring my 120 mm sycip hardtail for xc rides and my delirium for everything else. locals usually get me drunk the nite befor and get me to do a "proper" xc ride the next day! my hardtail is just too steep to handle many of those super steep tech sections and a 62 degree HA w180mm and 25% sag would be perfect ! weighing 155lbs I would need that 180mm fork to just get 4" beyond sag. this design has a purpose for technical xc rides done with a hangover!
  • + 6
 If you don’t immediately think your bike is obsolete and don’t immediately think this is the “perfect” geometry then you are obviously an terrible rider and should stick to the paved bike path.

Pinkbike won’t say it, but people in the comments who know more than you and are better riders than you will. So buy one....NOW or get left behind. It isn’t even worth riding a normal bike anymore.
  • + 6
 If Chromag released this thing I'm sure it's amazing at least for what it's intended for. I went from a Honzo to a Primer and was a bit worried about the progression. The Primer is the most fun bike I've ever owned and is my go to over my carbon superbike. These guys don't release stuff without riding it first.
  • + 8
 I was in Chromag 3 weeks ago. Saw a Tomahawk on the floor and asked how it rode. The salesman said, "ask that guy over there, he has one." So I did. Guy said it climbed awesome and descended like a beast! The follow up convo was that "what appears on paper, or even in person, doesn't always translate to how something rides." Indeed, these guys try everything before they put it out. You're like the fourth or fifth guy, btw, who has said his hardtail is his new rig (leaving the full suss behind). I have a Surface, and almost like it more than my squish as well. Love these bikes!
  • + 6
 If you buy it because you need a new bike and you like it, that's cool.........however, if you don't need a new bike and the purchase coincides with a recent switch to a plant based diet and you love nothing more than discussing how bad other people live their lives then I suspect that you would benefit from spending less time online. Go and ride your new bike and if you have the time, set some chickens free and film it for youtube. Dont feel angry or bad,its not your fault and you are keeping people in jobs.
  • + 2
 Underrated sarcasm !!! Bravo
  • + 9
 Next up, a Norco Manik 2005.
  • + 5
 I assume the guy who buys this tells everyone he was just fed up with the fussyness of a Full Suspension bike so he sold his 1 year old 150mm travel bike and is now convinced that we as riders dont need anything but a bike like the doctahawk. He also enjoys 2.8 WTB trail boss front and rear. Hes also switched to Crank Brothers Candies.
  • + 5
 This page has some odd misconceptions about riding hardtail, and long travel forks. Been on an NS Surge for 8 years, and no it doesn't hurt your ankles, blow up fork bushings, rip up your wrists, or ride like a pogo stick humping a unicycle. You feel the trail in a good way, and it rips corners apart like Juggernaut did Deadpool.
  • + 2
 I'd love to feel Mont Sainte Anne on a hardtail!
  • + 1
 Send it!!!
  • + 7
 WHOA if I want the GX build I have to pay what?!?! That buys me a new DH bike with top end Fox Suspension so um...no thanks.
  • + 5
 Better than that NX junk every bike maker is putting on $3500-4500 full suspension bike this year. #boatanchor
  • + 6
 @yzedf: True, and in all reality if I had the extra income I would consider it. Because that frame looks worth it to me. Can't get mad at a small company not having the buying clout to make their component packages cheap as dirt like some of the other guys.

Also, even if only five people buy this bike, I love it and think it deserves to exist. Geo is so out there in a good way for a hardtail.
  • + 4
 Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
  • + 4
 I scratched my head at the freeride hardtail idea until I got a Surface - hands down the most fun I've had on a bike in years. They may be early with this but mark my word this will be a trend others jump on board with.
  • + 3
 I am surprised that nobody has commented on Peter Verdone's post which seems to include a preview of this bike (named the "Tomohawk" at that time. Some interesting background from a 'colourful' character (he likes it).

PVD's post is here: www.peterverdone.com/what-is-this-that-weve-become
and the instagram post of the Tomohawk is here:
www.instagram.com/p/BkMT7dLHVda
  • + 1
 Yeah, check the first comment in the below threshold comments section
  • + 3
 Having entertained the idea of a steel HT recently...I do have a question about the Cromags. $1000 price difference between the Rootdown and the Surface/Primer/Doctahawk....I get the local build/paint labour cost...but only .2 lb weight difference??? I had hoped for more. Is 6.3lbs the lower limit of durability for allround HT BC riding? (I don't recall the old cromo frame weights bitd or how durable they were/weren't)
  • + 6
 The price gap reflects wether they were made in Asia or Canada. Plus the Canadian ones come in custom colors.
  • + 7
 Is it April?
  • + 6
 You had me until the BB92 bottom bracket.
  • + 2
 I was worried about the pressfit BB when I recently bought a rootdown. I put a thread-together pressfit BB in The frame (wheels manufacturing). Putting that style of unit into a steel BB shell, it's as solid as you're ever going to get. It might not be obvious over the internet, but if you actually install one in the real world, it will make sense. As has been said the wider BB shell gives more design flexibility especially combining short stays and big 29er tires. I am loving my 2019 rootdown here in the north shore.
  • + 5
 Finally somebody making trail bikes with proper head angles, I've been advocating this for years.
  • + 4
 Ya but you’re a twat so you ain’t got no street cred.
  • + 4
 Geo like my own Kingdom X2 UK Spec. Mine has got a 160mm fork though. This will be a weapon and will go uphill better than you think.
  • + 6
 Hardtails, you’ve just got to love them...
  • + 2
 Too easy to judge by just looking at the geo table. A bike is more than numbers, can't really draw a conclusion before riding it. Long bikes tend to be excellent climbers btw. Thank god hardtails are not limited to cookie cutter xc designs anymore!
  • + 2
 Interesting bike. As a tall guy I think the XL numbers are nearly spot on for this type of hardtail, but some things seem strange: seat tube and stack height are very low if you have long legs, chainstay could be longer to balance the long front-center. Those are minor things compared to the effect that amount of travel has on a hardtail: 69.5 degree head angle on full compression, almost makes me sick just thinking about it. I'd rather ride a hardtail that has this geometry with a 5" travel fork...in fact, I think BTR makes one.
  • + 6
 Any fringes handle option ? #HarleyStyle
  • + 3
 I have a Honzo ST with a 140mm fork. Its my favourite bike to ride. Its not necessarily faster or more efficient (than my full susp. bikes) but it is very fun. I could see why someone would think this was a good idea.
  • + 3
 "The bike is the brain child of Clark (Doc Tomahawk) Lewis, an emergency physician in Whistler."

Me thinks Doc is trying to drum up more business!
  • + 1
 The bike in the photos has a 27.5" rear wheel and 29" front. This was not mentioned in the write up. To prove it the tires sit even evenly at the bottom of the photo, scroll down slowly and you'll see the rear tire disappears before the front. It's definitely a smaller wheel.
  • + 2
 Great stand over! I could ride a L. Too bad it's $1,900 for the frame.

For that kind of $ you could at least run a tap through the BB shell no? What's the benefit to press fit here?
  • + 5
 That’s A LOT of frame for the money, still prefer a BTR though
  • + 0
 That's a LOT of money for the frame. Taiwanese welded version in the future?
  • + 1
 Looks like 2 bikes put together, or like they pulled the front end forward with a torture device lol. The head angle is do steep it makes me nervous just looking at it, likes it's already half broken. It's not the bike, it's the rider...remember that.
  • + 5
 That looks like a caricature drawing of a mountain bike.
  • + 3
 Great stuff from a company i like a lot but this creation aint for me, 180 up front on a hard tail has no place in my world, still, some will love it.
  • + 5
 This bike makes my bits tingle. WANT!
  • + 1
 Sweet, but a little concerned with the bent downtube and lack of gusseting... Hate to say it but I have seen numerous hardtails built like this (in steel and ti) break just behind the headtube. The bend in the downtube puts undue stress on the top tube. For most riders I'm sure it will be fine but I would be surprised if several guys don't destroy these.... maybe they went extra thick with the tubing, who knows. Look at what BTR does, there's a reason they do that and it's not because it looks nice. I love Chromag, and this is undoubtedly going to be a fun bike, but I have reservations about how much abuse it will really take
  • + 1
 This bike will work for the right rider in a bike park. For a regular trail bike? It’ll climb like a pig. A skilled rider could compensate, but put that same rider on a normal bike using the same skills. This looks like a basement troll’s idea of the perfect modern geometry.
  • + 1
 What a fantastic frame and why not have a 180mm travel hardtail. However, hardly any write up on it. If this was a plastic bike you would have a wright up to rival War and Peace! Anyway, loving all these metal bikes coming out lately.
  • + 1
 The trend is lower head tube angle more reach and steep seattube they should just go all the way 0 degree head angle, 1000mm of reach, 180 degree seattube and chainstays sp short they dont exist. That is the ideal geometry you can trust me because i tell people on the internet im an engineer.
  • + 3
 That bike is crazy in the best way possible! I'd love to ride one at Highland Bike Park!!! Just need to figure out a build kit that won't break the bank.
  • + 1
 Chromag designer #1 *hits blunt*
"Dude... What if... We made a bike, right? But we put a push-mower on the front, right? That way we would never have to cut the grass the hard way"
Chromag designer #2
"Dudeeeeeee, yeahhhhhhhhh"
*designs some wack geo that works with a lawnmower on the front*
-Next Day-
Chromag designer #1
"Dude, the boss is gonna be so mad, how do we turn this into a bike?"
Chromag designer #2
"UHHHHH, got it. We do a 180mm fork and 29" wheels, boom."
*This is released*

In all honesty though, I'm excited to see how people like this bike as it looks super cool!
  • + 1
 I think it is really weird anyone would want a hardtail bike w/ 180mm of fork... talk about lack of balance on a bike. I think my 130mm fork is too much for a hardtail because of how the bike handling/geo changes through the stroke.
  • + 3
 @Chromagbikes is the HTL on the XL a copy over error from the L? 105mm seems kind of short for the stack someone who is 6'3" + would be running.

Bike looks amazing.

Thanks!
  • + 1
 I was looking at that too. At 6'4" I would wind up getting the XL and adding a bunch of spacers to get some stack. NBD in the grand scheme of things.
  • + 0
 The front end on a bike with 180mm of travel and 105mm HTL with sit the same uncompressed as a bike with 130mm of travel and 155mm HTL. The front ends on these bike are by nature very tall anyways.
  • + 4
 @Chromagbikes: That sounds like Surly's philosophy. "You can always add more spacers, but you can't chop the headtube." I think the downside is 90% of riders on surly bikes are running 3cm of spacers and flipped stems. Bike still rides fine, but it looks bad. Bad enough that I wouldn't buy a surly road frame.
  • + 1
 @brickdangerblade: True but only with no rider. With a rider on it, the longer travel fork will sit lower because there is more sag.
  • + 4
 @Chromagbikes: Good thing FU40 bars look rad!
  • + 1
 The short head tube is one of the best things about this bike. Cromag are bang on with this. Long headtubes look just as dumb as highrise bars.
  • + 1
 All the discussion on this bike is completely academic to me. I’m 5’7” so I don’t even make the low end cutoff for this frame. Forget about the fact that I’m low on ape factor too. Short arms and legs here as weall.
  • + 3
 This begs an important question: why has no one paired a 180mm rear suspension with a 75* head angle and rigid fork?
  • + 3
 Forget the 180mm 29er hardtail, what the hell did they do to the Oneup dropper? Shim it down to 75-100mm?!
  • + 3
 It’s actually a 170mm dropper.
Lowered for the picture.
  • + 1
 @jmjosse: But why!? It's a straight seat tube...
  • + 1
 @toli-ibz: sorry i dont get it. i'm 6'5 and need a 170mm dropper. it's not fully extended in the picture.
  • + 1
 How much higher is your saddle than your bars at full extension? @jmjosse:
  • + 1
 Never mind, I just saw your frames.
  • + 3
 YES! So much win. I love that the chainstays grow with the frame size. You guys are doing stuff right!
  • + 3
 The forks writing checks the ass can't cash. As with all HT's , Fun trying tho
  • + 4
 This bike is a reverse Mullet. Party in the front, business in the back.
  • + 2
 This is my next bike. I'm currently running a Whyte 905 with a DVO diamond set at 170mm. It feels great. This looks like the next step in the evolution.
  • + 4
 That thing is wild and the purple/black paintjob is amazing.
  • + 2
 Oh god... That is the reason I LOVE the 26" old freeride HT bikes: My GT Ruckus, Specialized P3, Orange MsIsle, Intense Tazer HT...
  • + 3
 Eek I cannot believe what I'm seeing. For the first time in my life the recommendation for "L" can apply to me.
  • + 0
 I love chromag and all but This is retarded. I used to have a 160mm fork in my hardtail, and as soon as I tried to jump, the transition made the fork compress and the geo changes made me nosedive so much or feel uncontrolled...more than 130-140mm in a hardtail is retarded unless you just have your fork so soft and ride your bike so slow it feels comfortable AF. In addition, 62ha +180mm+29"...you better put some material in the headtube chromag haha
  • + 4
 Just get to 45° HA and 90° STA already
  • + 4
 Radical looking frame. I wonder if Josh could bend her.
  • + 1
 Why so expensive? I understand that its made in Canada, but I can get a made in USA bmx frame for 1/5 the cost (fbm, s&m etc). I can't imagine the materials and "research" cost 5x as much as those of the bmx frames.
  • + 4
 Should have called it "Doctor Strange", I'm curious to say the least.
  • + 4
 "Party In The Front. Painful Ankles In The Rear."
Quote of the year!!!!!
  • + 1
 That's what she said!
  • + 3
 This is the kind of bike I'd love to buy, hang up and look at every day and say... "Nahhhh"
  • + 4
 Can’t wait for the review, and the HTF slomo video.
  • + 1
 This thing comes stock with a rigid seatpost....what in the complete f*ck were they thinking? And its barely less than a new full squish made-in-usa carbon GG.
  • + 2
 Haha...I'm kinda thinking why not just buy a 180mm travel unicycle and shred the gnar!?
  • + 2
 Can't wait to go see this RAD bike at Chromag's ! This looks like a gnarly trails eater!
  • + 3
 Look Papa, look at all the Sheep
  • + 3
 A ME SEMBRA UNA GRAN CAGATA !
  • + 3
 Slow mo huck to flat video please
  • + 3
 This thing looks absolutely awesome! I welcome 62 deg HT angles!
  • + 1
 @Chromagbikes Can you develop a rigid fork to match (With an Axle-Crown in the right range)...and horizontal dropouts while the wish list is strong.
  • + 0
 "Party in the front, painful ankles in the rear."

This is exactly how i feel about hardtails, but god forbid i mention it or i enter downvote hell. Funny to see a pinkbike author use it in the title description.
  • + 1
 Awesome. Just about to build up my first Chromag. Used 2015 Rootdown in the post now. Just going with a oh so basic 140 or 150 mm fork. This is out of control! Love it!
  • + 3
 Neat af. Whatever you do, don't bb case a jump with this bike.
  • + 2
 The fork in the main photo was definitely set up by a guy. Says it's 180mm, but it's really only 140mm...
  • + 3
 And to think that 20 years ago toe overlap was an issue with 29"ers
  • + 2
 I love Chromag. But that bottom bracket looks one bike park case away from shearing off from the down tube.
  • - 1
 I offer kudos and big thumbs up to Chromag for this thing.

1. More than a few of you think the chainstays are too short. I formerly had an On One 456 Summer Season (64 deg. head angle with 160mm fork) and loved everything about it EXCEPT for the 424mm long chainstays. Should've been at least 5mm shorter in my opinion. I get the impression that most who complain about short chainstays have never ridden them nor taken the time to adapt (yes, they actually do require more skill, duh).

2. Some of you think this thing won't climb with that slack head angle. My On One was a phenomenal climber. Head angle isn't everything.

3. Was formerly considering a Canfield Yelli Screamy. Poor Canfield isn't doing much of anything these days, afaik. This would've been the Yelli Screamy on steroids.

4. Would love to hear from Chromag regarding the handling differences between the two fork offsets. Excellent read here: www.bikeradar.com/us/mtb/gear/article/pushing-the-limits-of-fork-offset-an-experiment-45343
  • + 1
 Obviously, back when people were putting dual crowns on their 243 Racing and Banshee Morphine and whatever else the geometries were completely different and not optimized for those forks. Those bikes may have worked in certain scenarios but would have been limited in versatility. They certainly would not have been pleasant to climb on.
  • + 2
 steel bikes remain the sickest coolest two wheel machines! this bike is a wet dream. bravo chromag!
  • + 0
 This is crazy!!! Are we back in the early 2000’s with the hardtails and dual crowns lol 180 just seems ridiculous! And for the GX price you could get a very nice carbon full suspension Eek
  • + 2
 Love it!
I read the name and my mind instantly re wrote it to "Hucktoflat" - lol
  • + 3
 Orthopedic surgeons rejoice!
  • + 2
 $1,650 USD frame only ?! And it is made of steel ? Is this some sort of a joke?!
  • + 2
 @stefan1l1: Sadly, no. This is the current state of industry. Overpriced products left & right because some people are willing to max their credit to acquire them.

I might have a negative credit score, living pay cheque to pay cheque, and be verging on bankruptcy, but don't I look f*cking good doing it!

People are so vain and shallow. Marketers know just how to make them dance like puppets. It's too easy now.
  • + 3
 When a hardtail is more radical than my DH Bike
  • + 0
 it really isn't
  • + 3
 Look out everyone, hardtail police are on patrol
  • + 2
 Having spent the last 2 years on a Chromag Primer I can see how this thing would be ideal in the right conditions.
  • + 2
 Chromagbikes, Who's Brad Howlett?
  • + 1
 Looks fun, but ridiculous price point for a chro-mo hard tail! Come on yo!
  • + 2
 It’s so ugly... but.... I..... I must ride
  • + 1
 The “yeethawk”. (Although doctahawk is the best bike name I’ve heard)
  • + 2
 Yea!! Hardcore hardtails rock!!!
  • + 3
 Press-Shit-Fit .
  • + 1
 The only reason one sells a long travel hardtail, is to buy a new long travel hardtail!
  • + 2
 Why the hell did they use press fit?
  • + 1
 God I want one just because I love chromag and how much they just wanna send it and dgaf about anything else
  • + 2
 This bike needs 36" wheels.
  • + 0
 Yet another bike which has far too much reach, for so many people Frown
And that reach number gets even longer when it is sagged....
  • + 1
 YAWWWNNNN! Only people that didn’t start with a hardtail get excited about this things.
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 To make sure you don’t feel the bump until it buckles your rear wheel...
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 The best comment thread so far on pinkbike
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 i can't get over the name..
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 Agreed, I liked the name Tomahawk better. Think they should revert.
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 @ryanm189: No they need to just name it "Clark". It will be really funny for those in the know when they hear " I rode Clark soo hard over the weekend."
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 AGGRESSIVE HARDTAIL!!!!
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 I wouldn't kick it outta bed for fartin'
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 Year of the purple fade. I ain't mad
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 for all the Sadomasochistics out there
  • - 2
 Saw a guy in a Chromag bend the rear triangle in an unfortunate but not really so gnarly accident this past weekend. So no Chromags for me. 62* HA with a 180mm fork on a f*cking hardtail is a recipe for snapped headtubes. God forbid anyone jumps and cases this thing or has a flat hard landing. No thanks.
  • + 0
 If it's steel you can repair it, not a throw away like carbon or aluminum.
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 @yzedf: your face isn't when it hits the floor!
  • + 12
 I think if you broadened your research sample from an N of 1 you may find that Chromag actually has a history of employing some of the best welders in the game and making some super sturdy bikers. I'm not a Chromag frame owner- and actually still have a Chromag Fubar in my gear room that I conformed to the shape of the Larch tree I hit with it a few years ago- but do know that consensus seems to be that their frames are some of the better made ones around.
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 @yzedf: i'd like to believe that, but i am a recipient of a chromag frame warranty replacement due to cracking in the headtube. wasn't fixable.
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 @vonP: I had the top tube crack on mine. Easier just to get a new one.
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 this makes me happy to the bones
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 might have named it 'the hyperbole'
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 Theoretically, in DH this geo is good, but climbing, you need to compress that 180mm to 75mm left travel to get a head angle at 68-69 deg to be efficient on uphills and the bottom bracket height from 13 inches to 11 inches once it is compressed to 75mm left on that front fork, so insane! Proper setup or a strong rider is needed on this bike @Chromagbikes Lol
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 OR.... @Chromagbikes gives it a 77 deg seat angle to fix that issue.
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 @philshep: Not really, based on my calc, that compressed state at 75mm travel left at front fork, seat angle is at 80 degrees, and that's too much its an overkill. Lol. I just don't get it whats the point on this bike. Anyways that's their patent, Good luck on the sales Chromag Bikes.
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 @philshep: Lastly the handle will dip at least 5" from that 180 travel. Let the customer decide if they like it this way on a hard tail bike. Lol
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 No you don't. Geometrons and Poles are in this geometry range as well (the hardtails too) and they climb just fine. Now might be a good time for, you know, a test ride in real life.
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 @alexsin: yep, that low head angle may mean you have to keep the front wheel from wandering, but with those reach and STA numbers, this thing will very likely still climb well
  • + 1
 I have a Chromag Rootdown that we have already nick-named "The Trailer Stapler". What will this beast be @ 180mm!
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 head angle will be in gravel grinder territory at bottom out. might need more doctor as a result.
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 I need this bike in my life!
  • + 2
 Very sick geometry on that bike, I want one please.
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 Well then
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 I love it, wish I could ride one.
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 I could imagine big air and big cases on this bike.
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 I think it looks sick, need a more affordable version though
  • + 2
 this is perfectly fine for some people so fak it
  • + 2
 WHAT FOR?
  • + 1
 steep rowdy trails.
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 My Kona Bike-HotRod is still the raked out champ!
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 That's a mountain of reach. 526mm for XL is getting up there.
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 I’m 6,3 and the smallest size is a tad bit on the long size for me. Ha
  • + 3
 You need that to offset the steep seat tube angle. In practice it probably fits a lot smaller than that number would suggest if you're comparing against a bike with a 75' STA.
  • + 1
 I don't know what hurts the most: my eyes or my back!
  • + 2
 Looks like a lanky smurf
  • + 0
 I thought my 160 Slackline was insane with its angle headset. This is utterly bonkers
  • + 1
 Looks like Chromag made a production model out of a child's drawing...
  • + 0
 It's beautiful. No UK distributors though so the largest market of hardcore hardtails won't be buying Chromags!
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 Hotlines
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 @dhrideruk: Components only mate
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 @Dobbs59: they can get frames too
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 @dhrideruk: Not when I asked. I seriously wanted to buy one. I emailed Chromag who said it was direct only now. The duty put me off. Bought a Nicolai Argon GLF instead.
  • + 2
 62, The Anti-OTB geo.
  • + 1
 There would be many less broken collarbone's in the world had the industry done this sooner.
  • + 0
 I think everything that can be said about the frame has been said... but what's the point of that dropper spec???
  • + 1
 What is it, 60mm?
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 @clfry, it's just not extended fully for the photo. Bikes look better in pictures with the seat close to level with the handlebar. The seat tube length on this bike is short enough to run a dropper with lots of travel.
  • + 3
 It’s a 170mm one up dropper post
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 When the Top Tube length is measured in Light years! :0
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 scary!
  • + 0
 Wow, I really like it! It has a slacker head angle than my DH bike, love it!
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 Well, at sag it will be a more reasonable HA than most enduro bikes as the rear won't squish.
  • + 1
 Nice copy of Sick Bicycle Co. Gnarcissist...
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 What is the speed mark where it's begin to be playful?
  • + 2
 Yumm
  • + 0
 All this needs is a THREADED BB, and perhaps Dropper post routing INSIDE the downtube.
  • + 1
 @chromagbikes "dr Lewis"?
  • + 1
 Would be good to try this out at a demo day event!
  • + 1
 Makes my meta ht look like a steep xc race machine.
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 Can't imagine how it's unmaneuverable at low speed zigzagging between trees...
  • + 0
 That headangle is going to make more flippy-floppy on the climbs than your ma getting into my bed!
  • + 1
 yoooooo dat FADE THOUGH SHOOOOOOO
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 Has N+1 gone too far?
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 Never
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 that's just silly talk
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 It has to harsh of a head angle
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 62 hta that crazy
  • + 1
 I like it's geo
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 Show
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 please update the story once they receive their cease and desist from sick bikes
  • + 1
 February's fools day?
  • + 1
 Y tho
  • + 1
 Mental....
  • + 0
 I can’t believe how some people are so good at designing ugly bikes.....
  • + 1
 Dragster....
  • + 1
 reminds me of BTR belter
  • + 0
 I wouldn't mind trying it but the price is just ridiculous. Sorry.
  • + 0
 ouch...my back...
  • - 1
 Wish they made a trail bike.
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 Rootdown
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 is that a tandem bike?
  • - 1
 Russ Morrell called, he wanted everyone to know he did it first with Balfa
  • - 1
 SICK BICYCLES
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 anyone want to buy a Transition Vanquish?
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 I'm sorry you bought a carbon hardtail.
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 @JDFF: otherwise known as a tennis racket.
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 Waltworks>chromag!
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