Tinker Juarez Announces Split with Cannondale in Now Deleted Social Media Post

Oct 6, 2021 at 12:55
by James Smurthwaite  

Tinker Juarez has announced his split with Cannondale in a now-deleted social media post.

Juarez, a Mountain Bike Hall of Famer, World Cup winner and two-time Olympian, first signed with Cannondale in 1994 as part of the legendary Volvo/Cannondale team and was awarded the Icon Award by the brand in 2005. Juarez still races to this day and won the 60-64 category at this year's Masters World Championships in Pra Loup.

After more than 25 years, it looks like Juarez's time with the brand has come to an end. He said in a now-deleted Facebook post:

"Hi everyone, if you haven't heard or not Cannondale is dropping me because they don't have the budget to keep me on, $25,000 isn't a lot for a cyclist who race almost 50 years and I don't have time to write everything I've done, but I could guarantee I sold more bikes than anyone racing for Cannondale. I gave my life to promote Cannondale and I believe I race as much as your top XC racer and more, so how can you just drop the best Ambassador in the sport. I got this very powerful and touching text from my fan Paul today after my ride. He said, "if Cannondale drops you after all you have done to represent the brand, I will boycott them forever! They should grant you life ambassador status because you are the greatest of all time. You are a legend and inspire me to keep riding. God bless." These words hit me and I am so thankful to Paul for these kind words. I know there are 10,000 people that feel like I do, please post your feeling because it is not fair to be done like this so cold and unexpectedly."
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Cannondale have responded to Juarez's announcement with an official statement.

"Since the start of the Volvo-Cannondale team in 1994, our riders have inspired a generation of cyclists, and there is no rider more inspirational and aspirational from the early days of mountain bike racing than Tinker Juarez. Through the last 27 years Cannondale has supported Tinker’s journey that included racing at the top of the sport and showcasing cycling in the boom era of mountain bike racing through current day competitions and events.

“Tinker is one of the most recognized cross-country racers the world has known. We have celebrated almost three decades of competition together where he has represented Cannondale and his partners with an inspiring commitment to his craft and his fans. We will always be appreciative of the time we’ve shared with Tinker on two wheels.

“A true legend in the sport, a mountain bike hall of fame member, two-time US Olympic team member, 7x US National Champion (XC & 24-hour solo category), World Cup winner, and Masters World Champion, Tinker has done and won it all.

“To better align with his goals in the coming years, Tinker has decided to seek a different level of support than what Cannondale is offering, from another bike partner. We will forever be one of his biggest fans and grateful for the contributions Tinker has given to Cannondale, the sport of mountain biking and the broader cycling community.

Thank you, Tinker."

We have reached out to Tinker for comment and will continue to update this story as it progresses.


498 Comments

  • 532 119
 Wasn’t much of a brand ambassador as I didn’t even know he was still riding let alone connected with Cannondale.

Think he needs tips on brand representation from Hans Rey, Fabian Barel, Steve peat, and Cedric Garcia to name just a few
  • 191 64
 And I heard he's kind of a dick. Has a hint of the lopes
  • 226 10
 To be fair you didn't name a single XC rider as a comparable ambassador.
  • 92 5
 @rustiegrizwold: I've always thought Ned Overend and Travis Brown have made great post-racing careers for themselves pivoting their skills as testers and ambassadors.
  • 111 197
flag justanotherusername (Oct 6, 2021 at 14:46) (Below Threshold)
 Been in the cycle world for a bloody long time and I have not ever even heard of him - my ignorance maybe, but can we expect to be a 'lifelong ambassador'?

Should bike companies pay people because they are 'legends'?
  • 2 1
 @brianpark: Travis Brown x Trek.
  • 49 4
 @makripper: Listened to a podcast dedicated to him a few months ago and I thought the same thing. Looked up to him in the early 90s, but listening to this changed my mind. Seemed like an arrogant SOB.
  • 55 1
 In the states Tinker is a pretty recognizable name in the xc scene. Honestly he was a good ambassador for them. He always represented them well in the domestic races.
  • 43 1
 @justanotherusername: tinker is a pretty big household name in cycling. Granted, he’s old so only us boomers remember him. I feel like a lot of those 90s xc racers who made it big back then still have a huge chip on their shoulder. Lopes vibes for sure
  • 9 1
 @jdeem1977: yeah he was my hero early on as well. Then the more I learned about him over time the worse he sounded unfortunately. Yeah he's pioneer and an insane racer.
  • 50 9
 @makripper: He is a dick I was racing in the expert class at the world cup in Napa back in the day and he was out there scouting the course during our race and refused to let me get by until he crashed right in front of me.
  • 35 40
flag scott-townes (Oct 6, 2021 at 15:01) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: How about you use Google.

No, brands shouldn't have to pay based only on past results but Tinker still rides and attends events as a great person to ride with and to those who know him, its an insane to meet him.

Its just business but another example of how ruthless and unforgiving action sports business is... except for the brand execs, managers and agents. Yeah, screw the actual riders who are unreal human beings.
  • 44 2
 @justanotherusername: I don't believe you. He was literally in every magazine in the 90's and early 00's
  • 14 1
 @rustiegrizwold: Nino schurter, Bart brentjens, Julian Absalon, Ned overend

Gotta admit I’m not up to speed with xc and most I know of are still racing.

They actually mentioned Tinker in the XCO commentary as the last US rider to win a world xc event prior to Blevins in snow shoe.
  • 116 2
 @justanotherusername: He's an absolutely huge name in XC going back to the heyday in the 90s. This is sorta like saying you're a big NBA fan but you've never heard of Magic Johnson.
  • 63 63
 @giantwhip: maybe we have a different idea of a bloody long time - In the mid 90s I was 10 years old…. Been into biking since around 16 so about 20 years and nope, never heard of him, ever, but I am from the UK and got into the sport through DH, know of all the DH ‘greats’ so maybe as I say I was ignorant of the XC crowd.

@scott-townes: you want me to use google to educate myself about someone I haven’t heard who considers himself still relevant enough to get a wage from a bike company?

I’m not young in my late 30’s, been in the bike world for 20 years - the chances of someone who got into biking in the past 10 years knowing who this guy is would surely be minimal?
  • 47 4
 @justanotherusername: sorry mate when you said you’d never heard of tinker I just kinda assumed you were like 18 years old.
  • 36 61
flag justanotherusername (Oct 6, 2021 at 15:38) (Below Threshold)
 Ok I just looked him up on Instagram, I would probably pay him not to be an ambassador for my brand after looking at that.

Not everyone is an MTB dinosaur…..
  • 17 44
flag justanotherusername (Oct 6, 2021 at 15:39) (Below Threshold)
 @SterlingArcher: It’s OK ‘mate’ there’s lots of old blokes I probably haven’t heard of either and won’t be any worse off for not knowing.
  • 31 0
 @nattyd: I know f*ck all about bouncy ball games but surely Tomac would be the ‘magic’ guy?
  • 77 2
 I guess he is dropping out of Rampage this year. Thanks alot Cannondale.
  • 26 1
 @makripper: I had the opportunity to talk with him. He is a super kind human being
  • 13 1
 @jclnv: I figured Tomac or Overend would be Jordan, which makes Magic a good analog for Tinker. Also considered Charles Barkley.
  • 1 0
 @giantwhip: i remember pretty much back in the day a lot of race pictures of tomac i saw tinker was also in shot sometimes on a klein but mainly on a cannondale
  • 20 0
 It comes down to can he sell bikes to the next generation. Not many young people know who he is, no matter how great he was. It sucks indeed, but business is cutthroat sometimes.
  • 15 1
 I came to say the same thing - it wasn't up until a few years ago that I started following Tinker on social media inadvertently (reacquainted through friends) did I realize he was even still racing. Most of Tinker's racing has been exclusive the the West Coast scene.

This isn't Tinker's fault so much as it is Cannondale's who really don't promote him. I can't even think of the last time Cannondale did a feature on social media with Tinker.
  • 38 0
 Tinker stopped by the the shop many moons ago and let me do some tweaking on his bike and was a complete gentleman, signed all kinds of stuff and we had quite a few laughs. Met him a few times at Interbike over the years prior and he remembered me instantly!! Rad dude to me but we all have off days for sure. www.pinkbike.com/photo/13867260
  • 63 13
 Tinker on Instagram: 1,046 posts. 17.2k followers. Posts about Tinker

Tippie on Instagram: 9,500 posts. 117k followers. Posts about product...and Tippie

I wonder, if Tinker spent more time on social promoting product and less time flaming his sponsor, maybe he'd have a job?
  • 2 0
 @jdeem1977: Could you share the link of the podcast?
  • 4 4
 @makripper: what do you mean heard? That’s some of the most insane shit I’ve ever read. Only and absolute dick would post something like that surely?
  • 5 1
 @vaqui: I'm guessing this is the one. I had the same reaction when I listened to it. He kinda seems like an egotistical dick. open.spotify.com/episode/1E0QsZX3oscjTHIZlRL4Zp?si=Vn6VC12AT8aqe0SVNe8w8Q&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1
  • 4 1
 You're simply not informed enough... so don't blame him.
  • 8 1
 @rustiegrizwold: Anybody ever heard of Ned Overend.
  • 8 0
 @rustiegrizwold: try Emily Batty
  • 2 2
 @justanotherusername: Your about 25 yrs too young.
  • 5 1
 First post on Pinkbike about him in 4 years, from the looks of it.
  • 9 0
 @justanotherusername: I was a kid too in the 90s and he still showed up in posters and magazines. I was a fan of John Tomac, Chris Kovarik and Colin Bailey as much as I was Tinker. I was into all disciplines. Regardless, he's everywhere so you really must have been trying to ignore his presence. He rode for Cannondale when ACC and Cedric Garcia rode lefty forks on downhill frames
  • 4 0
 I’ve heard the name, and I know he’s a pioneer/legend, but I couldn’t tell you what his accomplishments were, exactly. I also had no idea he was still riding and repping a brand, much less which brand he was repping.
  • 3 2
 @thenotoriousmic: @thenotoriousmic: Sorry, i downvoted you instead of upvoting you... Sorry.

And I heard @makripper's kind of a dick.
  • 7 1
 @nattyd: acc is Jordan
  • 3 0
 Quote from outside article
"My job is riding my bike, and I still have to go to work for eight hours every day, just like you,” Juarez says. “Every year when my contract is up, I don’t know if I’m gonna get another one. I try to train hard every year and try to keep the racing lively and stay busy.”
So it's not like it wasnt aware or that it came as a surprise.
  • 5 0
 @billreilly: I am. I really am
  • 4 0
 I got to see Tinker race the Keyesville Classic last year. I think it’s awesome that a legend of the sport is attending grass root races like that.
  • 6 5
 @makripper: lopes is just a boring nerd who rides bikes and whines a lot.
  • 10 0
 @justanotherusername: Missy Giove is the only name you need to know. :-D
  • 20 5
 Also, 60 year olds ranting on social media is pretty embarrassing.
  • 20 6
 Ouch, that reply from Cannondale is a sugarcoated BURN. basically they wanted to reduce his budget and he refused. They are basically saying we were with you for 30 friggin years but it’s gotta end at some point. That’s business.

Also, to anyone who wants to taint his character, screw you. You don’t know him. “I heard that he’s a dick because he did x and y”. F off.

In the end of the day hes still racing like a beast just not the media-friendly image sponsors want in this latter stage of career.
  • 7 26
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Oct 6, 2021 at 22:18) (Below Threshold)
 Doubtful that Tinker generated $25,000 in profits a year for Cannondale, maybe not even $1000. Nobody pays attention to masters racers.
  • 10 12
 @justanotherusername:

"you want me to use google to educate myself about someone I haven’t heard"...Well, yeah. When I want to wade into a discussion about something I'm not up to speed on I do a couple of checks to decide if it's worth it to wade into a discussion or if I'm out of my league / willfully ignorant. It helps keep my downvote stats in check (mostly).

"the chances of someone who got into biking in the past 10 years knowing who this guy is would surely be minimal"...Maybe. But see my first point above. And if you admit to knowing any other early-90's names (Tomac, Overend, Frischknecht, many others) or any other historical mtb personality name (RC, Fisher, Chance, many others), then you may have shot yourself in the foot. I find it hard to believe you wouldn't know any of these names. I'm not a race guy but even I know the name Steve Peat as far as UK DH names go.

"I’m not young in my late 30’s"...What??? Get bent. All 49'rs unite!
  • 20 1
 Imagine getting free bikes for 25 years, and then it hits you. Your next bike will cost half a years salary. Sorry Tink
  • 8 0
 @Jamminator: but should it not have been Tincker promoting Cannondale rather than them promoting him, given that they were paying him for that exact purpose.

Regardless of whether he is a nice guy this would be a business transaction - they pay him to get exposure and he needs to get it for them.

If being a nice guy was enough then I might have had a shot at getting paid to ride a bike, I can be really nice if I am paid enough…
  • 5 0
 Martyn Ashton convinced me to buy a cannondale in a youtube video a few years ago and he hasn't rode for them for years and years.
  • 12 5
 @iammarkstewart: I clearly stated in my first reply that I could be ignorant - happy to be labelled as so but you have to realise not everybody is up to speed with people who were here at the ‘start’ of the sport - I also said maybe it was because I am from the UK.

Jason Mcroy was my starting guy, I didn’t pay attention to the XC guys.

Sorry to break it to you but the kids at my local trails are in their early teens, they are the future of the sport not us crusties discussing some old eccentric guy who raced XC double their age ago - I’m old to them, you are ancient.
  • 8 0
 @justanotherusername: just for balance Im from the UK - I got into bikes in 93 when I was 13. Went to the Grundig WC at Newnham in Plymouth. I remember Tinker, JT, Greg H, Bart etc. I also remember an article in MBUK (I think) comparing the 2 different styles of JT and Tinker - Big ring cranking vs sit and spin. They were all international legends. JMC, Dave Hemming, Rob and othered were mainly UK but just breaking out internationally.
  • 4 2
 @makripper: A hint of lopes... haha brilliant
  • 12 1
 When I got into mountainbiking back in 2001, people compared me to Tinker just because of my hair. So I looked him up, agreed on the hair but that's it. I wouldn't have heard of him if it weren't because of this. And I'm into mountainbiking for two decades now. For the past decade or so you're probably getting most attention through social media but I'm not into that so for me it wouldn't have mattered. Most athletes I probably got to know through videos (Earthed, Collective series etc), print (Dirt, Cranked) and for the past few years through webmagazines (Pinkbike, Eskapee) and only in the recent years it seems XC is getting more attention. It were mostly gravity athletes I remember. How are XC racers even getting attention? It seems they either need to podium/win to be mentioned in the mainstream media or they'll only be mentioned in the mainstream media in their home country. I only read about Bart Brentjens a few months before the '96 Olympics (because he was training in a climate chamber) but I don't know whether he was even known abroad back then. My brother happened to be in the US during these Olympics and he said the broadcast was shut off (or switched to a different sport/discipline) before the finish of the race so he didn't get to see him win.

So did Tinker do something wrong? I don't know him so I won't say anything about his attitude. He got into the sport back when mountainbiking was just mountainbiking and stuck to the discipline we know as XC racing. Out of all mtb disciplines, it may be the hardest to make look exciting in pictures and video. Bart Brentjens has chosen to become a team manager and does a bit of commentating too, so he is still getting international exposure. Tinker has apparently chosen to continue to race XC, which is commendable for a man his age. And whilst this may actually make him more approachable for those at the event, most others around the world don't get to see anything of him. It feels a bit sad in a way. A bit like the artisan woodworker trying to compete with the factory pumping out super accurate furniture at super low prices. This is the athlete who sticks to his old way of representing the brand on the spot whereas nearly everyone else has made the transition to doing so through the internet and reaches a wider audience in this niche sport.
  • 4 0
 @sargey2003: Of course, but it has to operate as a two way street to get the most exposure. For instance, GT posts segments with Hans Rey on their main social media outlets in addition to Hans promoting GT bikes through his personal channels. Cannondale never even bothered to do anything with Tinker...there was zero synergy outside of Tinker's personal race reports.
  • 2 5
 @Jamminator: Not sure who the guy even is but i know his attitude stinks. If your that good at your job, then I am sure you will be snapped up. Much like cannondales carbon. Dont see many on the streets and thats with the 50to1 crew with mash appeal for the enduro/freeride/jib crowd. wn.nr/BvHJAf
  • 7 1
 @vinay: Nice post, we off course can't know for sure but it feels a bit like this, some "business move" that someone who's not familiar with this way of "thinking" can't understand and lashes out on social media. Gotta say I sympathize.

2 years ago a company proposed me a job, for 1.5 years I did my best, and while everything looked bright as I had a positive check-in with my lead and was still being trained to a new software the previous week, when it came to the point of giving me a permanent position, they told me they didn't keep me.
The human resource employee even told me my job was not the problem, it's very good, they just told me they fear I'm too specialized and don't know if they will have much work for me, and fear I may not be as good on other things...

Why didn't they train me to do different things then ?
Because said differently the plan from the beginning was probably to use me for as long as possible for cheap and when it was up to them to take a small bet on me and giving me a fair wage, they kissed me goodbye. And as a human being you feel so betrayed that lashing out on social media is not surprising.
  • 1 1
 @makripper: he also has an issue with proper parking and gee atherton?
  • 1 0
 Up until a few weeks ago Tinker was the last American male to have won a world cup xc race. Think of it this way, cannondale can sponsor Tinker or they can sponsor three or four up and coming dh or enduro racers with that $25k.
  • 1 2
 @makripper: He's an odd bird for sure. Not approachable at all.
  • 2 0
 @SterlingArcher: "us boomers" haha, dude, at 37 you're squarely a millennial (as am I) Smile I know, time flies, eh? Agreed though that we're the age group that looked up to Tinker's generation of racers when we were teens.
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious: I was just about to mention her (and her piranha) Smile
  • 6 4
 @Compositepro: Tinker is no where close to Tomac as far as legendary status.
  • 2 0
 @entrecerros: Are you sure you didn't meet Slash? They look quite similar.
  • 2 3
 @Austink: he may have been recognized, but he was not a good ambassador. I saw first hand he was doing the 24 hr marathon worlds and he was getting beaten 4 hours in and just packed up his bike and went home with his crew rather than continuing the race and seeing what place he could get.
  • 6 0
 Tinker is a legend of mtb. Respect for an OG still racing hard and winning in his category. Cannondale dropping him may have shut down his ability to travel to international races. I would be pissed off too.
  • 4 0
 @justanotherusername: Going to change my tune and agree with you more here. I was thinking about other sports I've either never watched or was really into and then had a huge gap in before returning (hockey and mtb). There's so much not to know unless you made it a part time job studying historical stuff. So point to you.

However, speaking of ancient...Mcroy would be older than me if he were still with us. Glad I looked him up because I found this: www.jasonmcroy.com/jmc/the-jmc-story. Helluva story.

Cheers sir, stay well.
  • 10 1
 Lemme break this down for y'all. If you regularly post on pinkbike "omg. I cannot believe how expensive this bike is. what are they thinking?'. You are not the age group for Tinker.

If, on the other hand, you are in an age group where you don't think twice about 10K on a new gravel bike. There's a good chance you go to grassroots gravel races and endurance XC and marvel that a guy your age (or older) is still throwing down with guys 1/3 his age, then seeing Tinker (and what he rides) probably is more your jam.

There are few racers from that generation that have name recognition and have kept up the fitness and skills to be relevant when they pull up to the starting line. Tinker is one of those guys. But he's more of a heads-down competitor and hasn't kept up on social media angle so that's probably been to his detriment given what typically is expected from an ambassador these days.
  • 5 0
 @Chuckolicious: the missle is eternal. she had real person struggle like us. Mistakes, redemption, and still connected to the purity of mtb.
  • 1 0
 @makripper: lol the "Lopes Disease"
  • 6 2
 Was it Tinker who put on soccer cleats and toe clips at the 1995 Helen, Georgia NORBA Nationals in the thick, wet clay?

Maybe it was just a rumor at the time, but if true, it was the ultimate badass-ery. Supposedly bought cleats & just ran the climbs (which was the entire course).

The thing I loved about Tinker was that he was a HELL of a bike handler. Came up from BMX & would throw ridiculous whips and do big jumps on a Cannondale with the bars down near the front tire and that drop stem.

He was an absolute animal on a bike & merciless.
  • 4 0
 @Rexuis-Twin: Yup. Need a What-If episode where Missy in her prime was handed a 2021 DH rig.
  • 2 0
 @JoeHelvoigt: who knows maybe he felt sick or something? Idk if suffering for an additional 20 hours vs packing it in makes me feel differently about someone.
  • 2 0
 @justanotherusername: save the digging for the woods mate!
  • 2 0
 I wonder if Wade even gets $25k a year from Rocky. I hope he does...
  • 2 1
 @Spark24: Valid! This really begs the question, what do you do when you're a life-long athlete in this kind of sport and you exit your prime racing years? This dude might rip but I'm watching the non-Master's age races. $25K is not a lot to live on but its a lot for being out of prime and basically doing what you'd be doing anyway.
  • 1 0
 @Joecx: Are you excited'? The Skyline Classic is back! Will be my first time racing there and I am looking forward to it.
  • 2 0
 @Ososmash: Unfortunately I'm recovering from a broken femur and just got the OK to get on the trainer.

Have a great time!
  • 1 1
 Actually would avoid the brand because of the character revealed in the fb post and in so many other ways. And the bikes are both overpriced and outdated when new.
  • 2 0
 I didn't really know much about Tinker before Insta. He rides an insane amount every day around where I live and I saw his Cannondale van with his personalized "Tinker J" plate at the trailhead the other day. From the little I know of him it just looks like he's more into just riding his brains then doing the social media thing. When he does post, the posts are far from polished. I think he just follows his passion and just assumed he'd be taken care of by Cannondale. Whether he is like Lopes or not, I don't know, but his mindset is definitely focused more on his riding than playing any corporate games. In some ways, more power to him. In others, it sucks but I can see Cannondale's POV as well.
  • 5 0
 @Austink: As well as international events. He's been in México several times as a retired racer, and not only has he been a great racer and strategist, but he's been kind and quite amicable with staff members.
  • 3 0
 @iammarkstewart: Sorry.......Steelers all the way
  • 5 0
 @makripper: I've met and worked on Tinker's bike multiple times- Always been a stand-up dude and willing to stop what he is doing to greet and take pictures with fans.
  • 9 0
 @makripper: I can tell you from recent experience that Tinker is not a dick.

I have run into him in the last 4 years on various MTB races in SoCal. He Is always chill and kind when you approach him before and after a race. At the Grizzly 100 this year in Big Bear, a friend of mine ran up to him to grab a picture... less than 2 minutes before race start. He graciously stepped to the side and got a pic with all of us.

That is not something a dick would do.
  • 1 0
 @cjeder: talk about a brand ambassador, Tippie is the man! That guy has some positive vibs
  • 1 1
 Maybe C’Dale had to make room for a larger budget for Ratboy! Who is very relevant in today’s market
  • 2 0
 Rumors: Gwin on Cannondale for 2022.
  • 1 0
 @nattyd: sounds about right to me - Tomac as Jordan, Overend as Bird...so yeah, Magic works.
  • 1 0
 From what I understand, PON (current owner of Santa Cruz) bought Dorel (owner of Cannondale and Schwinn) so this may have something to do with it too.
  • 1 6
flag pgomez (Oct 11, 2021 at 9:35) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: I'm right there with you. Looked him up on Instagram and wouldn't want anything to do with him as a brand ambassador if I were running the roster at Cannondale.
  • 3 0
 @justanotherusername: maybe pay attention then? Tinker isnt some sort of hermit, he's out and around and has been for decades.
  • 2 6
flag justanotherusername (Oct 11, 2021 at 23:55) (Below Threshold)
 @Lemmyschild: Is this discussion still going on?

Man you guys have some real attachment to this guy, I didn’t know who he was, I imagine that goes for a huge number of people, I’m not sure why that upsets so many like yourself?
  • 1 2
 @justanotherusername: the guy should have gone on big brother or something= household name
  • 3 0
 @justanotherusername: Many mountain bikers in 30 years probably won't know who Danny Hart or Troy Brosnan (for example) are either, yet for many people they are heroes... That doesn't mean that they need to be forgotten!
  • 1 0
 @billreilly: Troy Bronson, Daniel Heart, Thinker Juarez, Cedric Garcia, Brian Lopez? Who the F are these blokes??
  • 3 0
 @SterlingArcher: I'm a millennial not a boomer and still remember reading about his endurance races in the late 90s. Tinker is a legend for many reasons, and if they really were only paying him $25k it's a crime.
  • 2 0
 @billreilly: I’m not asking anyone to forget them, I’m just saying I personally didn’t know of him and this is somehow treated as a crime.

Newcomers to the sport won’t know who rat boy is, it’s the reality of things moving on.

@AC1987: it’s a ‘crime’ for a business to make a decision to stop paying someone? How so?

Strange conversation this one.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: it's an expression... but my point was ,$25k is a pittance. They could have easily gotten him social media training if that was the issue and helped him be a better ambassador.

Yes, I understand the business decision, but it clearly wasn't handled well.
  • 1 0
 @AC1987: you have big balls admitting that you will be the go to blame guy of the next generation
  • 2 2
 @Compositepro: what am I being blamed for now? Not thinking $25k is a lot of money, or thinking that they clearly didn't handle this HR case well? GT went to great lengths to keep Hans Rey relevant for years.

After 27 years with Cannondale, they could have handled the situation by having a sit down meeting hammering out a deal and an announcement that keeps everything positive.
  • 259 1
 Every other bicycle brand ambassador: "Wait, you were getting paid in actual MONEY?".
  • 94 0
 I bet there are Top 20 world cup riders are probably like "WTF?!" at 25k a year from one sponsor.
  • 18 0
 Considering what we read in the State of The Sport series from a few months back $25K would be pretty great in the current market.
  • 3 1
 @notsosikmik: Top comment mate
  • 5 0
 @notsosikmik: And that's probably the best thing to come out of this little social media shit storm. He might have deleted the post, but the figure is now out there for current racers to see and point out to their sponsors.
  • 10 11
 You guys need to listen to @ThePowellMovement whenever Mike is talking to someone from the mountain bike world. He always brings up an athlete's compensation and the business side of the sport. It's quality stuff.
  • 4 5
 @TerrapinBen: I can't trust anything an Outside+ member says. You're probably a PayWall mole.
  • 6 1
 @blowmyfuse: it’s not his fault you can’t afford things
  • 2 7
flag blowmyfuse (Oct 8, 2021 at 7:17) (Below Threshold)
 @SterlingArcher: leave me alone troll. You've been banned before for harassing me. Don't start again.
  • 4 3
 @blowmyfuse: quick update: i got an ebike that cost over $10k, got vaccinated, and got a promotion in my tech job now making over $150K per year - it's been a fantastic year in the north! glad to see you are doing well also my friend Big Grin
  • 210 4
 Today I learned that Tinker's sock puppet name is Paul. That's neat.
  • 7 8
 ^ best comment of the day award. Literal lol.
  • 1 0
 Lana…. LANA!! …. Danger zone
  • 173 1
 oof, sit on it for a day before hitting send. . .
  • 3 1
 Agreed. In fact the post is arrogant so we miss the point. I think he is mad because he didn't hear from them, not just because his contract wasn't renewed. When you have a long relationship with a business partner, you should pay more respect to them
  • 2 0
 Yeah, Like and have nothing but respect for Tinker but, man, thats a badddddd look.
  • 111 1
 The six people who still read Mountain Bike Action are going to be so angry about this when they read about it in two months.
  • 6 0
 Bwahahaha!
  • 5 2
 Holy shit.
  • 2 0
 7 now, I just renewed my subscription, thanks for the reminder. just you wait until I tell Zap what you said......
  • 1 0
 ...and in the mean time, on Vital the future is being discussed before it happens! :-D #MakeAnotherTeamRumoursArticlePlease
  • 1 0
 @wibblywobbly: way to ruin the surprise.
  • 111 1
 One of these responses was a bit more classy...
  • 97 10
 He's won more races (Master's World Champion) and podiums this year than the Cannondale Factory team combined. Not to mention a top 10 (Overall, not age) at Unbound Gravel 100 this year. Also, he's a lot more down to earth and less arrogant that other riders on that team.
  • 77 2
 All fair points, but it's also not the wisest decision to call out a sponsor with detailed compensation information. If he's that valuable, he should have plenty of options with other manufacturers - but they may be wary of him if he's willing to make posts like this.
  • 11 0
 Brands come and go in popularity and team success. It wasn't that long ago that Jerome Clemenz was the top enduro rider for several seasons while with Cannondale.
  • 57 3
 @jayacheess: Agree with you on calling out his sponsor, but why should he keep his compensation secret? In most places it's illegal for an employer to discourage his employee from revealing compensation. The whole "revealing what you make is impolite" thing is a big reason the poor are staying poor.
  • 42 2
 @mechatronicjf: the more people talk about compensation the sooner companies stop screwing the workers!
  • 9 0
 @jayacheess: Didn't mean to nit pick your post. Sorry about that. Just wanted to use the opportunity to remind people that there's a lot of power in asking/discussing wages.
  • 6 3
 And? Race results do not entitle you to a sponsorship.
  • 6 3
 @mechatronicjf: Totally agree, but that's usually in a labour situation and involves discussion among workers. This is a professional athlete dealing with a sponsor and speaking in a public forum involving non-professional on-lookers. Certainly nothing should stop him from openly discussing his compensation with other professionals or industry representatives. This is just a bad look for a guy whose job it is to represent a brand.
  • 2 0
 You would not derive any of this from his post
  • 11 0
 @jayacheess: bikers don’t get paid squat BECAUSE they don’t talk about money.
  • 11 3
 @jayacheess: for 99% of today's mountain bikers, he is nobody. All the newcomers know about him now is this interaction.
  • 2 0
 @mechatronicjf: not to get into a whole thing, but he's most certainly not an employee of cannodale, and contracts have confidentiality clauses all the time.It's also not like he's sharing it with other relevant riders; he's just airing dirty laundry. Maybe $25K to ride a specific bike in regional-tier events is a good deal? I have no idea
  • 1 0
 @plyawn: actually I think tinker is not social media savvy. My guess is he was encouraged to put himself out there on social media by sponsors hence the awkward ‘hey everyone’ posts all the time. It finally came to a close where he just wasn’t bringing in the exposure.
  • 85 7
 Hmm I need a new bike, which brand should I look at? I know, let me see what Tinker Juarez is riding in 2021!
  • 3 2
 do you mean Speci...?
  • 33 0
 Well he can't go back to Klein... ...yeah I'm that old.
  • 2 0
 @nozes: Klein is what I picture as well when hearing his name.
  • 8 0
 @twozerosix : If I picture Seinfeld when I hear Klein does that work?

All joking aside, love the classic Klein tubes and paint jobs.
  • 9 0
 This is a perfect opportunity to launch YTs equivalent "OT". Old Talent!
  • 3 0
 @nozes: how about General?

I'm slightly older...Wink
  • 1 0
 @SimbaandHiggins: not enough love given for that comment
  • 79 7
 I just get turned off by people who toot their horn that loud, no matter how "great" they are. He has done so much for the sport but a little humility would have let him go our with more grace.
  • 10 52
flag suspended-flesh (Oct 6, 2021 at 14:20) (Below Threshold)
 Yet here you are talking about your Turn-Offs - toot toot.
  • 16 1
 @suspended-flesh: but he’s not wrong
  • 17 0
 Talking about your "turn-offs" and people "tooting their own horn", or telling the world how great they are, are too different things. Tinker is indeed a legend and I remember him from when I was a kid. Super recognizable, amazing results through his career but also didn't feel great reading that post he made. Hope he lands on his feet. Also, I kinda wish he just quoted Ricky Booby also, "Well, I’m the best there is. Plain and simple, when I wake up in the morning I piss excellence."... that is hubris I can get behind!
  • 1 12
flag suspended-flesh (Oct 6, 2021 at 15:46) (Below Threshold)
 @snl1200: Just having fun and helping PB with its 700 million page views per year!
  • 66 0
 Things that make me feel old... Mountain bike edition:

Tinker Juarez
Juliana Furtado
The goddess that is Yeti's Marla Streb (still have a her naked Yeti poster...)
Ned O
Johnny T
bar ends
index shifting
Purple anodized anything
Paul Components, also in purple
Marzocchi, real Marzocchi.. coil sprung, open oil bath.. Posters that couldn't be up on the main walls of the shop! You know what I am talking about....
Zaskar
Xizang if yuo were a baller...
RockShox with canti braces and gold lowers
Manitou with rubber bits inside..
Trek frames with Lugs.. both alum and Carbon.. How sexy was the 8700??
Klein
Panaracers
Smoke / Dart combo
Yo Eddy!
Tripple spoked Spins
Tioga tension disc wheels..
Cook bros cranks..

Sigh.....
  • 1 0
 Awesome list!!
  • 12 0
 Mavic 220 rims
Giant ATX 990 "downhill" bike
Sugino cranks
Grip Shift
Sachs Plasma derailleur featuring DI.R.T. technology
Rock Shox Judy DH
first time trying V brakes with canti levers and got faceplanted
Mountain Cycle San Andreas
ZZYZX
it really was a good time
  • 3 6
 Had most of those items, all of them were shite...
  • 2 0
 Oh man. And Rock Shox Judy when that came out. And Mountain Bike Action and Bike. Back then they were the Bibles,
  • 7 0
 Get into gravel riding and half of these things will pop back into your life (through discussions and arguments with other riders).
Gravel is like an eternal youth fountain
  • 1 0
 It’s like we’re twins. LOL.
  • 1 0
 I lusted after those too

(Not Tinker though...)
  • 1 0
 @ts080: But Gripshift?
  • 2 0
 Lol! This is a great list. Come visit me at Durango Cyclery some time.
  • 2 0
 Tange CR-MO Tubbing
  • 1 0
 @MRED-MTB: Ha! just to make you feel better, if my math is right, I graduated High School the year you were born!! How do you feel now?? lol
  • 4 0
 Trek Y-bike.
Open polystyrene helmets with lycra cover stretched over them.
Bollé sunglasses
CroMo being a marketing term

I miss the 90’s
  • 1 0
 @ts080: Except you can get Grip Shift on Eagle. I loved it on my 11 speed XC
  • 1 0
 @GT-CORRADO: Graduated highschool in the 70's? And still biking? Nice job Gramps!
  • 1 0
 @MRED-mtb: Stop talking!!.....AND GET OFF MY LAWN !! lol

As of yesterday, after my 33 mile ride, I've cracked the 1000 mile mark for the year.....no telling what the final tally will be, but the weather for the next week isn't looking particularly inviting......
  • 93 27
 Lol, I'm playing the worlds tiniest violin for you, Tinker!
  • 4 13
flag brentkratz (Oct 6, 2021 at 16:30) (Below Threshold)
 Old guy has a lifestyle to support! Guess it beats working lol!
  • 68 11
 Hey Pinkbike- I mean TMZ- I mean Outside- whatever you're called, can we not blow up stupid athlete drama?

If he deleted the post, he obviously wrote it in anger and then thought better of making it public.

This isn't making mountain biking a better sport.
  • 9 0
 Word.
  • 8 1
 well said. purposeful division bait for it's readers? i smell a strong stink about this PB post.
  • 19 13
 Pinkbike isn't here to make the sport better, it's here to report on stuff, get views and get paid, there's nothing wrong with that. Same can't be said though for this old mans bad desicion to write like a spoilt child in the public domain.
  • 1 2
 it is fine, this kind of drama has been on the website for decades... it just seems weird since it is for a relative unknown athlete for 2021, the article actually smells like RC, very southwesternish... i dont think James came up with this gossip. RC might've provided him with the info.
  • 3 0
 But look how many comments this article got em
  • 56 1
 It's a bit of a bummer to see this with an athlete, but I don't think anyone is owed lifetime employment or paid ambassador status (free bikes, sure). If he wanted a lifetime (or 10 year) deal, he should have sought that out and signed a deal. Here's hoping he lands on his feet somewhere.
  • 13 0
 Look, if the Bulls got rid of Jordan, the Colts got rid of Manning and the Patriots got rid of Brady, what hope do the rest of us have? Even Tinker Juarez.
  • 6 1
 Spot on. I’d say barring some injury or health situation, you really aren’t owed shit beyond your contract.

As a professional athlete you have a short window to get paid, make the most of it and set yourself up for the future in whatever way you deem best.
  • 2 2
 this guy wanted to just be a paid rider for the rest of his life, never thought or planned about a retirement plan or starting a business to provide for himself of old age, that's why he is pissed.
  • 61 3
 Cannondale still makes mountain bikes?
  • 28 1
 And Tinker is still riding them. Who knew.
  • 6 0
 Yeah everyone's favorite ex-racer Ratboy is riding them too
  • 1 5
flag blackthorne (Oct 7, 2021 at 0:07) (Below Threshold)
 No they make vacuum cleaners. And Mitch McConnell makes better jokes.
  • 1 0
 One of my faves in the EWS Ella Connolly rides them! Oh yeah they also screwed over Jack Moir. Haha
  • 94 48
 Really Pinkbike? He made a mistake and tried to correct it by deleting the post. You guys are the dicks here. Geez
  • 51 10
 This a place where MTB news is posted. Is this not MTB related news?
  • 3 2
 Kinda thought the same thing - I'm with ya....
  • 10 3
 Did you not hear the one about the french guy that used the n word and apologized…… the crowd went wild
  • 13 13
 @Compositepro: I did hear that. It was a great apology too. “Sorry I got caught being racist.”
  • 1 1
 @Rucker10: it got covered over another storm in a teacup thread in the pinkbike history files somewhere
  • 4 3
 I’m with you. I’m increasingly over pinkbike.
  • 4 1
 @agrohardtail: the kind of news that divides us on purpose? i smell a stink in this here news.
  • 26 0
 I had the luck of tailing Tinker around a lap of the 24hop many years ago when my multi-person team pace was about the same as his solo pace. He is an unreal rider. You think of XC riders as fit aerobic machines, but Tinker is an unbelievable deft bike handler. He didn't brake for anything, effortless floating around every turn at full speed and silently passing slower riders before they even knew he was there. It was magic watching him ride. He probably used half as much energy to maintain that pace compared to an average rider simply by being so damn smooth.
  • 1 0
 Interesting story - thx.
  • 41 18
 I dunno what Cannondale's financials are like but $25K doesn't seem like a lot to keep someone like him on board who has given the brand so much and had so much success with them. They dont have the best rep in the industry (insert Crack n' Fail joke) and this certainly doesn't help.

I don't care about pro racers and could care less about XC racing but I do know the name Tinker Jaurez and to me that has always gone with Cannondale.

Hope he lands on his feet and continues being a badass...
  • 62 3
 I didn't even know he was still around and it doesn't seem from what I've been reading, he has any reach outside of socal. I've heard zero from him in over 10 years. He has one result. I didn't even know Cannondale still supported him. Throwing bikes and 25k at a 60 year old racer that has no reach outside of ex racers and SoBe fans from the 90's doesn't have a great return on investment when there are struggling up and coming riders who need that investment to keep the sport moving forward. Tinker did some amazing things in his day and from what I'm now aware of, still an extremely fit person but he hasn't done anything of note since 2005 and from what I'm seeing here, a kind of shit, entitled attitude. Even his Wikipedia page sounds like he wrote it and is kind of a dick.
  • 18 1
 @kiddlivid:

plus c’dale needs them monies to fund the 50 to 1 crew’s ganja budget. Gots to keep the real talent happy.

also respect to Tinker an absolute OG and hope he scores another ride.
  • 3 0
 @kiddlivid: Don't know the guy at all, just chiming in to say he has been at the Maah Daah Hey 100 in North Dakota for a few years now. At least he was when I did one of the shorter races that day. He hardly broke a sweat and and raced 4x as far (and about 4x as fast) as I did. That race has grown to be a pretty big deal, especially considering it is in the middle of nowhere North Dakota!
  • 3 8
flag deadmeat25 (Oct 6, 2021 at 22:40) (Below Threshold)
 @WasatchEnduro: You jest, but there is more riding talent in ratboys cock that tinker ever had...
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: 25 grand would keep ratboy blitzed for weeks, maybe months.
  • 3 0
 @deadmeat25:

failed-ass opportunity for c’dale to do a vid on tinker sessioning with the 50/1 crew and ratboy doing a marathon race with tinker. Make it fun. I’d watch that shiz.
  • 58 35
 I would argue that Anne-Caroline Chausson, Alison Sydor, Myles Rockwell and Missy Giove did MORE for Cannondale's bottom line driving brand awareness and bike sales, and each had FAR GREATER racing successes in the years they were with the Cannondale than Tinker has had during his whole time with them.
  • 8 1
 Cedric Gracia, Mario cippollini (road but still prob more sales than tinker)
  • 16 12
 They also knew when to call it quits on pro racing and not milk it through the geriatric classes.
  • 27 5
 Peter Sagan probably contributed to more Cannondale sales in each of his years on Liquigas than Tinker Juarez has in his entire career. This guy really needs to accept that no one cares that he can win races against people with actual jobs and families racing for fun on weekends...
  • 2 2
 @ACree: Savage
  • 4 1
 Came here to say the same about Missy Giove. If you had to name one C-Dale rider, who would it be? Missy Giove for me. Even before Mario Cipollini or Peter Sagan--and I say that as a former roadie!
  • 2 0
 @SterlingArcher: I think Mario can give Tinker a run for his money in the best perm in MTB department too....
  • 7 1
 @ACree: Agreed in part. However, to race and win at the highest level, and remain at the highest for your age for a long period of time is very hard, harder that being at the pinnacle for 2-10 years or so. The sheer number of pros that waste away to nothing in old age prove that. While he is winning in the older classes, he is still overall doing it better and longer than anyone, and that is very impressive, and nothing to scoff at.

His post however, was very adolescent and proves the point that he probably needed to be dropped as an ambassador anyway.
  • 5 2
 I would say Henrique Avancini has been the most influential in bring new bodies to the sport. What was an unknown sport just years ago in Brazil is one of the fastest growing there. Also they are hosting a wc there next year.
  • 1 1
 @robokfc: I'd forgotten Sagan used to be on Cannondale, so not him!
If you asked me to name a Cannondale rider, Bryceland is the first I'd think of - even though I don't think he's delivering a great ROI for them.
  • 27 5
 Good for him, and good for putting the dollar amount. This whole "oh don't share salary!" is nonsense that only helps to keep salaries low. $25K for Dorel seems like a drop in the bucket; I'm sure they pay some of their lawyers that much per month to avoid paying corporate taxes. For someone that's represented a brand for so long and for an amount that's not even a livable wage, this looks bad from every angle.
  • 12 11
 "Those damn tax dodging, lawyer summoning, wage suppressing evil for-profit bike companies!" Seriously, you'd learn more if you left your college dorm room. $25k in a marketing budget would cover a very well polished bike launch video that provides a much better ROI than this guy's non-existent media presence. If you're the marketing director...and you have enough in budget to cover ONE....which one are you going to choose?
  • 8 2
 They probably do pay a handful of employees that much a month...because they get a return on that investment. If they don't feel that he's contributing to sales commensurate with their expense, then they ought to let him go. If you consider that $25k to only be a portion of what they are actually paying him. Add in a few bikes a year and the overhead/administrative costs of paying him etc. They are easily at $50k. If on a high end bike sale, Dorel only makes maybe $1000 in pure profit (most likely much less), they need to have sold 50 bikes just to break even. As it is unlikely that he was the sole contributor to that sale, you can assign maybe $100 of that sale to him. Now he needs to have contributed to 500 high end bike sales just for them to have not lost money. No company hires an employee to "break even" so realistically, they need to be getting 1000 or more sales a year to make it worth their while.
  • 5 3
 @Grunk: stop acting like Cannondale are some mom and pop shop. Marketing video? Lol Give and "influencer" a free bike and that will have as much a ROI.
  • 37 21
 Folks - it goes to show you. Be very careful about what you post - especially in anger. Let things sit and have someone else read them before posting it. I will let the comments speak for themselves. But do not judge the man on one bad decision. Years ago - an ex pro I know had a chat to me about the theory that because you are fast does not mean you are a nice person.... He was talking about a few people on the national scene...... So remember - sponsorship does not guarantee amicability.
  • 1 0
 Just the opposite usually.
  • 21 3
 Was he expecting 25k/year for the rest of his life? All good things come to an end. How about some gratitude.
  • 1 1
 Exactly.
  • 9 1
 25k is a pretty low wage
  • 7 1
 @Compositepro: $25k is msrp of just 2 high end road bikes. Let that sink in. 2 units!
  • 4 7
 @Compositepro: Good wage for doing f*ck all though...
  • 15 1
 Tinker is a legend and a competitor who remains near the top of the sport decades after most retire. He's from a humble background and not as polished as a giant bike company's PR department. I don't hold that against him. Wishing him the best for the future.
  • 19 4
 Lamestream brand that’s just part of a conglomerate ditches one of the last links to a time when they were a bold, independent company. Not surprising, kinda sad. Hope Tinker finds another full-time sponsor.
  • 12 0
 Tinker is a legend and total class act. If you listened to that podcast referenced above and found him too arrogant, you are a snowflake. If you care more about instagram followers than actual results and history of dedication to the sport of cycling you need help. Too many "instagram famous" people are literally the definition of a "poser". This term may be too dated for some of you but check your urban dictionary. I'd like to see someone have a 40+ year "career" as an influencer. Develop some respect for the people that came before you and forged the path and created the sport and lifestyle. You will blink and be as old as Tinker before you know it and he will still have accomplished more than you in the sport.
  • 2 0
 Truth
  • 11 1
 Tinker is a legend in the sport, but his online presence is minimal and he doesn't have the same name recognition that he did 10 or 15 years ago. If he's going to keep getting support, it seems like his best option would be to connect with a company that's actually interested in publicizing his accomplishments (i.e. in a photo essay or a video) and being associated with him. He may not have done much for Cannondale's marketing in the past few years, but it hardly seems like Cannondale is making any effort to benefit from having him on their roster, either.
  • 11 2
 Niner is awaiting his call.
  • 5 0
 @ACree: I think intense is more desperate
  • 4 0
 @ACree: Even more savage !
  • 5 0
 @ACree: holy shit I laughed at this. Maybe even Ellsworth waiting in the wings.
  • 3 0
 @bonfire: He could talk about the bike’s “100% efficiency” like vintage Tony.
  • 12 2
 Tinker Juarez is a BMX & MTB racing Legend in an era where that term is thrown around too lightly.

Bottom line, though - we don't really know what really happened, so it's just all a bunch of internet forum conjecture like Gwin and YT.

I stand with Tinker - let Cannondale continue with Ratboy.
  • 11 0
 I met Tinker almost 20 years ago while racing the 24hrs of Adrenaline (remember those?). I was riding on a team…Tinker was solo. He cheered me on when I passed him in the middle of the night! Absolutely a great person!
  • 6 0
 a lot of the youngin's on PB have no idea what a LEGEND tinker was back in the day..........
  • 7 0
 Wait, *you* passed *him*? That is commendable. My only encounter under similar circumstances was "whoa, who is that coming up behind me with their aircraft landing lights?", followed by him passing me like I was standing still and disappearing into the night. It was actually kind of awesome, in a weird sort of way.
  • 11 1
 Cannondale is a dead brand anyway. He was there for their hey day. Probably the most recognizable pro team out there of all time, other than Intense. I LUSTED for that team issue F3000SL in Volvo colors w/ the yellow Cane Creek wheels and billet Avid Ultimate brakes. And I'm not a boomer.

What a brand Cannondale was. Coda. Headshok. Cipo, Tinker, Missy....it shall never be again.
  • 2 0
 @rustiegrizwold: the F3000SL! Thst was my dream bike.
  • 9 0
 Tinker was amongst the MTB gods back in the 90's. Overend, Furtado, Rockwell, Tomac, Giove...

Saw the guy at Snow Summit one day, I was on the lift going up and he was on the fire road riding up with a backpack full of bricks! YES bricks!

Problem IMO is that these guys....ALL of em fail to embrace "social media" and end up being forgotten. This current YT gen has no idea who these people are.
It doesn't help that he was with Cannondale. Cannondale has no history of ever "supporting" it's legends.
For example: Specialized and Ned or GT and Hans

May have helped if Tinker when into more of a R&D role for Cannondale or trained upcoming riders??
Remained relevant?
Never met the guy but jus sayin...
  • 1 0
 Frishy found another home, maybe Tinker can too?
  • 8 0
 As a human being looking at this situation, it’s just a little sad. I don’t know Tinker very well besides what I saw on Instagram and Wikipedia (I started mtb in the early 2000).

What I sensed is that… he doesn’t seem to be good at social media and marketing. Imagine more marketing skills to complement his insane mtb talent, it should probably make a decent profit. But again he just turned 60 this year and one can only change minds a few times in a lifetime.

To everyone else on pinkbike who love what we all love, please try to be kinder and productive in this sport. Thanks!
  • 9 0
 I only met him once, at the first Olympic mtb qualifier in Shanty Creek, Michigan, mid 90's. We saw him Sunday during the dual slalom races when he ambled by chatting with Missy Giove, and we asked em' both for an autograph. Tinker said "don't worry, I won't bite' and Missy bent over so he could sign our friend's race program on her back (got her's too). He has a really high and quiet voice, very soft spoken and a mellow guy. Gotta say, Cannondale's marketing team screwed up bad on this one......
  • 8 0
 Lots of respect for Tinker and his accomplishments. My dad used to race with him in the 90’s.
However, I’ve been involved in many interviews with prospective employees over the years. I can’t think of a single individual who bad-mouthed a previous employer during their interview process and was hired afterwards. It always left a bad taste in our hiring team’s mouth, no matter what the candidate’s credentials were.
  • 3 15
flag jokermtb (Oct 6, 2021 at 17:02) (Below Threshold)
 you must be a real fun person to be around...........
  • 8 0
 This drama sucks. It's unfortunate Cannondale & Tinker couldn't work together (you know as an employer and employee) to come up with a plan to leverage their experience together...train Tinker on how to best create visibility to the brand. The world kind of moved on and he continued to drive to results, rather than a social media presence or transitioning into a test/advisory role for Cannondale as other racers of his era have.

I grew up watching Tinker...my 16 year old self made a point to drop everything when he raced in the 1996 olympics on live network TV. He was an inspiration and a rep for the USA.

Years passed and I continued to race more seriously, working myself up to a pro license...I found myself racing head to head against Tinker for the duration of two races (outside of Cali), and had conversations with I'm on multiple occasions. I didn't once get the impression of arrogance from him. He signed a poster that hangs in my garage, he also represented the brand at expos and shops in the week leading up to the races.

Again...this is unfortunate. I hope he lands somewhere that can pay him enough to continue (or I hope he negotiated well and saved $ from the Volvo days). No other brand will have the same level or potential revenue generation with Tinker that Cannondale did. I don't know if Cannondale made ANY effort to grow him as an advocate and employee, unless they tried and it didn't work out the egg is on their face, it would have been to their benefit.
  • 3 8
flag deadmeat25 (Oct 6, 2021 at 22:09) (Below Threshold)
 Dude, not one person one earth will buy a Cannondale just because he rides/rode one..
  • 8 0
 Cannondale has a long history of screwing the cycling industry, riders, and the sport. Remember them declaring bankruptcy, paying pennies on the dollar to overdue accounts in the industry, then “re-launching” by sponsoring a major Euro road program? Remember the issue with broken steerer tubes on their AL forks causing serious bodily harm to countless riders of their bikes? Folks in the cycling industry can recite countless other examples. The brand sucks, their bike sucks, and no one should spend a cent on their products.
  • 4 0
 nailed it.
  • 1 0
 They also built motorcycles for a short time, a very short time...
  • 11 0
 my fan Paul needs to step forward.
  • 10 3
 lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/dAwpZbSqCKVfwn_biycplHp6t6c7qXYkvuX4XFoqsxSEyGIyic7SamNG5-_GbOLHne_fzeAr_zJDzRXgs-tI

So many ignorant on this forum. if you are a real mountain biker, you know your heroes. Tinker is just such an OG, he obviously sold many more bikes than any of the names I can read there. Come on! The guy started to race in 73 and he still winning endurance races 50 years later! We are not talking about some old burned-out pro!
Cannondale which has lost most of his soul a long time ago anyway just lost what could remain. Loyalty is still a value in my eyes, I expect it from my friends and I'm more likely to give my $$ to company sharing the same values.
Followers/stalkers or youtube ambassadors might be entertaining or even relatable to many but are they inspiring or have any values???? No more Cannondale for me! Long Live Tinker!
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 100%
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 What have the Romans ever done for us?
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 Not sure did they ever get as far as NZ or did they stop at building really straight roads and forts in the UK
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 @Compositepro: whoosh...
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 @NZRalphy: no i got it i just wondered
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 Ideally Cannondale’s marketing department should have worked with Tinker to implement a more modern ambassador strategy to help connect his riding with riders. Tinker is a legend, but his riding/racing has been age category at smaller events which you might accidentally see results for every year or two. Likely this was talked about but who knows.
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 Had the opportunity to watch him race in the 1996 Olympics (first time for XC MTB). I don't remember anything from the race, but... Ok worst story ever.
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 Oh contraire lol
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 He's going back to Klein! Oh, wait...
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 I've been boycotting Cannondale since before Tinker made it cool. Mostly just because their bikes suck.
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 Another reason to avoid Canondale now. What a disservice to 1 of the sports giants. Imagine dedicating your life to a sport/brand. Tinker was 1 of the few that inspired many of us to take up mountain biking in the 1st place all those years ago.

Wish Tinker nothing but the best, and hope he can continue competing
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flag deadmeat25 (Oct 6, 2021 at 22:05) (Below Threshold)
 What? So they should keep paying him thousands of dollars a year for a job he doesn't do anymore..? Is that how it works?
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 @deadmeat25: It would be more beneficial to me to have a conversation with a potato than engage you in any conversation greater than this. It is clear from your replies that you are an ignorant, mouth breathing troglodyte.
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 oh my god, an older guy who loves to ride is now forced to pay for overpriced bikes by himself...what distracting news....wait...thats reality for everyone here in the forum...
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 I remember racing several endurance races against Tinker back in the early 2000's/Y2K era and thinking to myself he was already past prime and ready for retirement (even if he did smoke my ass)....yet here we are 20 years later and he's the one still racing. Insane career he had with such longevity.

The $25k seems interesting to me... that is basically two high-end Cannondale race bikes in today's prices. I'm sure he gets to keep his race bikes and probably sell them at the end of the season to recoup some money. I don't know if travel fees and other were baked into the contract. That stuff can add up.

Ultimately, it seems he's more upset about the way they parted than Cannondale finally cutting him off.
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 Yiou forgot noughties, post nineties and millenium...
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 Probably 2-3 bikes a year, the travel costs and race fees were likely on top of the $25K. $25K is essentially $12/hr when you think about a full time job.
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 For those saying "who" you don't follow MTB endurance racing. But I do see Cannondale's perspective. The average Cannondale buyer is doing so on the recommendation of an REI sales associate, not because Tinker pedaled one to victory in a master's division race.
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flag deadmeat25 (Oct 6, 2021 at 22:14) (Below Threshold)
 There are plenty of us here who have no idea who the fuck he is but have been following mountain biking for decades, i just don't think riding at 3 mph up a hill wearing a leotard is mountain biking...
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 @deadmeat25: just guffawed audibly thanks
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 The bigger question might be do companies that sponsor athletes in (and past?) their prime have some sort of obligation to help them transition to the next steps in their lives or careers. No doubt Cannondale wouldn't be where they are without these earlier riders despite not getting a currently trackable ROI. The US ski team for example has a program where they pay for athletes to finish a college degree at a partner school thanks to some sponsors I'm sure. Not everyone can transition into team management or rep roles after their prime, so what is the right level of obligation?
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 No. He got paid well when he was relevant, every athlete gets dropped eventually...
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 I feel bad for Tinker, $25k is not a living wage, especially not in Southern California. I watched a few of his recent interviews on YouTube and he is still a dedicated, full time racer, training and racing 40 hours per week and still winning some tough but less than well known endurance events. I have to think Cannondale tried to nudge him into more of a marketing/ambassador role as time went on but at least from the interviews Tinker seems pretty introverted and after racing for 40+ years it's got to be hard to shift gears. Best of luck to Tinker, he was definitely an inspiration to many of us.
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 180 Comments and I'm the first to mention Dreadlock Grips from ODI, probably a few riders that have commented that they don't know who Tinker is, yet they have his signature grips on their bike. @Cannondale made a poor choice.
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 They've chosen to not pay $25000 a year for zero ROI, i don't think that's a bad choice...
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 I have a big Tinker poster with Cannondale CAAD3 in my workshop, found in the trash after the worldcup race in Houffalize in 1995:

www.instagram.com/p/CSaGkJ9l3B8

25K USD is what nowadays? Peanuts.

Bike brands are such dicks when it comes to pay for racers.
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 I guess he was paid back in the days for the promotion he did (and the poster you have in your workshop). What is important is what he brings today.

I guess a lot of us would like to be paid for life for doing their favorite hobby. That is not how life works however.
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 Reading a lot of these comments, some or should I say most are a joke. People that have never met him or maybe in passing have a great feel for the guy, gawd. “Lopes like”........give me a break.

I first met Tinker at a Bmx national in 1984 and asked for an autograph right after a moto. He was gracious & spent time asking how my racing was going. When I started racing mtb in the 90’s we would see him at Norba races and he was exactly the same. Forward to last year in Southern Utah and my wife sees him in a supermarket and asks for a picture. He was the same as always and chatted it up about the race and old school Bmx.

Cannondale & their riders get paid peanuts, I know this for a fact. It would blow your minds to know what some riders get paid. Tinker IS a well known ambassador and draws a crowd at any race he attends. Not everybody is on Social.
Cannondales loss IMO.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: I disagree with that. Masters racers pay attention to masters racers and that demographic are the folks riding $10,000 XC bikes. And considering that Crappondale, I mean Cannondale is essentially irrelevant in the trail/AM/DH space, their market share will continue to dwindle in the XC space without a base of older XC guys wanting to ride like their hero from the 90s.
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 You'd be surprised. MTB was still a fringe sport in the 90s and 2000s.
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 Just checked his instagram and oh boy... ANY average youtuber getting paid with a discount code certainly does a better job at promoting a brand. lol
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 Haven't considered a Cannondale a real mountain bike company for about 20 years. Dude needs to move on and diversify. Tinker was the man back when I started, although I liked him better on Kleins. Perhaps some Enduro races, gotta stay relevant. Or maybe try the freight business like Missy.
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 Tinker is to Cannondale what Ned is to Specialized - or at least he used to be, and ought to be still. Sadly, only us old farts remember him and Cannondale doesn't have Specialized's budget. They must have blown it all on Ratboy... It's a damned shame.
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 In the end, he didn’t say anything too bad, and got a lot of attention. I bet he lands elsewhere as a result, where otherwise he would have drifted into oblivion
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 Cannon.. who? Ohh, the defunct motorcycle company.
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 Lol good try
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 If they'd have used electric motors we'd now be looking at them as the geniuses that invented ebikes.
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 It’s amazing how many decent sized companies have negotiating fallouts that could have been solved by an extra 10k$. Perhaps they just needed to pay the guy but also get the marketing people to leverage him too. I’m all for paying athletes more. In a world where an NBA benchwarmer that’s 19 makes 25k$ for going to practice, this seems like it could be handled better (on all sides)
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 a lot of tougher to be in the NBA
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 @jaydawg69: a lot of tougher? Nah, Maybe a bit but these guys are also in a MAD level. Its just that NBA is a bigggggger Store compared to MTB or ews, or any org for that matter.
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 @jaydawg69: A lot more money in NBA ticket sales, too....
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 @FastRiding: how many kids play basketball in the world vs. riding mountain bikes.
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 Tinkers first name is David.
He was a legend back in the very, very early days of BMX. Met him once at Mountain Mayhem in Malvern (UK). Was a pleasure to meet him.
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 In the beginning MTB was a crossover sport. So many legends/pioneers began in other disciplines - from road, trials, and BMX to name a few...
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 Can he go back to riding for Klein?
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 He was.. a legend. I remember him well, along with all the others at the time.

And there’s the thing, time. It waits for no man, regardless of his results in life.

But the older we get, the less we mean.. a top 10 in a mid 90s Grundig WC? Awesome

A top 10 in a grand vets national xc ? Still awesome, but not mainstream cycling news.

That’s just life

All the best to him anyways
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 Can't speak to the kinda man he is, but bought my first real mtb/F700 (blue & yella) after seing it/him in person @ '96 olympics. The only bike I havent sold.
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 I remember Tinker, Ned Overend and John Tomac - "back in the day" yeah, before the internet. I would anxiously await the current edition of Velo News in my postal mail box and would read it in the post office parking lot. I saw Tinker at Mt. Snow in the 1990s - awesome racer!
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 I hung out with Tinker at Mammoth in '91 and he was a cool dude.... Check my profile pic and also check out this 9 min YouTube video of it. It was freaking awesome! youtu.be/O1UIFviG-y0
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 A Hall of Famer makes an angry social media post, in retrospect deletes that post, yet Pinkbike still makes a story out of the deleted post. No class.
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 No, this is big news and I give pinkbike props for the article. Anyone above 40 remembers him with Volvo Cannondale and how influential he was in the sport. He kinda seems like the Charles Barkley of the mountain bike world
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 He still kills it in the pro class in all the Southern California series and single day races and I'd bet SC is Cannondale's biggest market, although I haven't owned a Cannondale since the late 80's. I shy away from manufacture propriatary components.
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 There is no doubt that Tinker is a legend. Met him in Mexico two years ago. He was quiet and kind. He has definitely been a huge part of Cannondale’s image and success.
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 Do they still pay Martyn Ashton?
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 Looks like a secession
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 Trek secession happened after he rode for Klein :-)
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 If he's been getting $25k a year lately, I assume he got way more back in his glory days. Didn't he put any away for retirement? Was the plan to race and get money for it until he was dead?
I know he's a legend of the sport, but planning ahead still needed to happen.
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 There is two different things coming out in article:
1. Tinker says Canondale ditched him because of budget stuff
2. Canondale says Tinker ditched them because of other vendor : “To better align with his goals in the coming years, Tinker has decided to seek a different level of support than what Cannondale is offering, from another bike partner. We will forever be one of his biggest fans and grateful for the contributions Tinker has given to Cannondale, the sport of mountain biking and the broader cycling community.
Thank you, Tinker."

What is true, who ditched who????
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 I read that as they made him a lower offer than he was previously getting.
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 @chakaping: So they are not ditching him - just offer to pay him less. Thats not "ditching" Smile
Also argument that he sold a lot more bikes than they payed him - that may be true for 90s or maybe early 00's, but for sure not true for last 10-15 years i think. In the end - they for sure wouldn't be paying him if it wasn't for the profit that sponsoring him made
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 If he would really be such a great ambassador he wouldn't show such arrogant / narcissistic behaviour and he wouldn't throw someone who supported him for 27 years under the bus like that. With such childish behaviour and shit talking his main supporter, I would be surprised if any company would be willing to take the risk to hire this guy and pray he won't stab them in the back at the first disagreement. This action was really a shot in the foot. I think being an ambassador might not be the right job for you, Tinker.
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 Harsh but not unfair.
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 If Tinker Juarez is still relevant as a public person he will find another sponsor tomorrow. If not, well you have your answer, there is no reason Cannondale would paid that amount if nobody cares about him. Throwing that kind of shit on social media certainly won't help though. Being a good spoke person is certainly more important than the wattage you can still deliver at 60. Just being a fast rider for your age category and have a palmares that lots of people would envy is not enough if the people buying bikes today either do not know anymore, see you as someone from the past or irrelevant to their equipment choice.
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 I dunno, maybe If they didn’t sponsor all these riders…bike frames/parts might cost a little less.
To team riders really sell enough bikes over what the brand would sell otherwise to make up for their sponsorship? Never inspired my choice of brand. Especially when it seems every year each flavor of the month pro is riding for a differnt brand

Who said that? That’s heresy!
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 I was riding the 24 Hours of the Old Pueblo about 20 years ago, for some reason my buddies and I were all dressed up as Magnum PI and called it the 24 hours of Magnum. OP shorts, Hawaiian shirts etc….just having fun…. I was cruising along when I heard,” Hey when you get a chance I’d like to get by….” Few minutes later I pull off and Tinker blows by and says, “ Thanks, appreciate it”. Could not have been nicer. YMMV
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 Sounds like an old man with no plan. Bummer. But he’s old, was never dominant and probably should’ve been shelved 15+ years ago. No offense, but wtf is anyone racing masters doing with sponsors. You get paid, you’re pro. If you can’t hack it then You shouldn’t get paid. Sandbagger got paid to train, racing masters like its a thing.
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 Wades though the Glossy Corporate Boilerplate to find the reason:

“To better align with his goals in the coming years, Tinker has decided to seek a different level of support than what Cannondale is offering, from another bike partner."

His "goal" to "seek a different level of support" was likely "I've brought in truckloads of cash for the company, and would like a larger slice."

It's hard to know what transpired, but I'm more sympathetic to the riders who get shafted after their expiry date has arrived.
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 It sounds like the contract was up and it was time to negotiate, and he pitched his proposal to some other brands who made some offers, and he was hoping that Cannondale would beat or at least match those offers.

He is arguably the most dominant Master's class XC, Marathon, Gravel rider out there, and I don't blame him for wanting to chase as much money as he can before he retires. Unfortunately, Masters class racing doesn't get a lot of press (nor do long distance events), and I think many brands want to get sponsored folks into the spotlight as much as possible.
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flag deadmeat25 (Oct 6, 2021 at 22:24) (Below Threshold)
 @PHeller: Sorry you lost me at XC, marathon, gravel... Zzzzz
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 He may be a mountain bike "Legend" but being super arrogant isn't going to help any.

Ambassadors are paid for their services. So, Cannondale didn't just take advantage of him and drop him.

To be able to get paid and or get free products/gear for doing something you love and are passionate about is something one should be humble and thankful for. Not many people can say the same.

He might have had an opportunity with another brand but that arrogant and pompous post might have made things worse for him even though in his mind he was trying to rally his fans to back him up and apply pressure to Cannondale.
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 I always find it specially sad that people are so quick to jump in the defense of and make excuses for companies over a fellow individual in which they share a lot more than they think.
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 @matadorCE: There's a professional way to go about it and there isn't. He chose not to be professional hence why he most likely deleted the post. Instead he chose to act like an entitled kid.

Do you believe he was with Cannondale free of charge? Of course not.

If you worked for a company for 40 years and then they laid you off due to financial stress can you sue them because you worked for them all those years?

This has NOTHING to do with his legacy and yeah I too find it "specially" (SIC) sad when people defend pompous entitled people.
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 @LiquidSpin: Yeah how dare he be upset having represented a brand for so long and get dropped over peanuts /s
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 @matadorCE: Your response shows you still don't understand how business works. I hope one day you understand. Hopefully, you won't get let go of your job and then bitch about "how it's unfair and how you're entitled"

Good luck.
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 @LiquidSpin: what point are you actually trying to make? Do you really think Dorel/Cannondale need you to defend them?
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 @matadorCE: Go back and read my replies to "get my point"

I'm not defending Cannondale I'm defending how business works. Just how old are you?
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 @LiquidSpin: defending how business works....cute
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 @matadorCE: defending entitled brats...not cute. Pathetic Smile
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 @LiquidSpin: I'm very sorry that you apparently can't imagine a reality where businesses and companies don't treat their people as disposable cogs. Truly.
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 @matadorCE: Final reply to this: Don't tell me I don't know, realize, or understand that corporations have been for decades treating their workers unfairly when it comes to low wages, long hours, and unsafe/healthy working conditions.

This is NOT one of them. You're apparently a fan of his and you got butt hurt that one of your riders got dropped. Like many other riders who sponsor a brand have been dropped before. Sponsored athletes jump from one brand to another ALL the time. No different in other sports as well.

His choice to go out the way he did was in fact a childish act. It could have cost him so much more but he chose to delete his post. You can't understand this because you also feel "entitled" that it doesn't matter if a person works for a company and gets paid that they are IMMUNE to being laid off or let go.

From the article and quote from Cannondale because you clearly didn't read that far:

"To better align with his goals in the coming years, Tinker has decided to seek a different level of support than what Cannondale is offering, from another bike partner. We will forever be one of his biggest fans and grateful for the contributions Tinker has given to Cannondale, the sport of mountain biking and the broader cycling community.

Thank you, Tinker."

Tinker went to other brands. He has been trying to make other deals to hop ship. Tinker was hoping for Cannondale to bounce back with a better offer. They didn't. However, Cannondale didn't stoop so low in their response. They were respectful and thanked him as a legend in the MTB race community.

So, in your logic: Tinker can go to court, sue Cannondale because they dropped him due to "not being able to afford what he was asking for" even though ALL the years Tinker was an ambassador he got PAID for his services but this doesn't matter right? Tinker is IMMUNE to being let go and can rightfully force Cannondale to keep him on forever.

It's called a contract. Both parties agree to the contract. Tinker agreed and Cannondale agreed. Tinker worked for Cannondale Cannondale paid him. Contract expires. Cannondale HAS NO RIGHT to renew the contract? Are you some sort of dictator? Don't confuse this as unfair business. The real working issues are kids/adults working in sweatshops for less than $8 a day with long hours and no healthcare. Or corporations forcing their employees to keep working without breaks where they have piss in a bottle.

Also, you should look up the word "entitled" I don't think you seem to understand what it means.
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 Just heard the Cannondale Executives offered his boy Paul 25k to be an ambassador to avoid a boycott!
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 where Paul goes, we follow.
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 Dude hasn't put out any marketable content for them in years. Most people who that name would sell to anyways are getting aarp cards. ...So if you know anything about marketing you know you don't market to the generation that is dying off (sure I'll trigger a few people with that marketing rule of thumb). Also the fact that he's claiming ten thousands of people feel the same when the dude only has 5k FB connections is starting down a very poor "worth to brand" argument.

Just assumed he quietly and tactfully faded away like most old pros do. Definitely didn't do the tactfully part...
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 It turns out that as recently as 2020, he was at least trying to be pretty active in the community (thwarted by COVID, by the look of things):
gropromotions.com/tinker-classic

I'll grant you it's not the huge engagement that some of the Insta and YouTube stars get, but it's not nothing. I would wager that the meaningfulness of the engagement when you ride with a legend is much greater for those who choose to go to the event than the impact from viewing a viral clip on some social media platform.

It's a different kind of marketing, and brands need to decide what is important to them, but something like that Tinker Classic is the sort of event that would be likely to make me want to buy a particular bike. Then again, I hope I've still got a lot of years left in my mtb journey, but your point about age might be relevant here.

That was a long way to say, it looks like he has been doing what he can.

Edit: I'm not an Instagram sort, myself, so I just found this: www.instagram.com/tinker.juarez/?hl=en
17K followers and over 1000 posts, with lots of pictures of Cannondale bikes and apparel
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 If he was such a badass ambassador as he thinks he is, he wouldn't be crying about losing 25k because he would easily pick up another partnership because other brands would love to have the "greatest bike seller" representing their business right? You're washed out homie
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 What’s cannondale?
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 He'll start riding eBikes and get relevant again when he dominates his age class. Agree with the other poster above about Ratboy & the young ones taking up ambassador / influencer budget. They have more acute medical expenses while Tinker might have more chronic ones at this point. However, you gotta give props to Tinker since he is an icon and who doesn't want to be as fit as him at his age. YT should pick him up and put him on an Izzo Smile
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 Unfortunately though, his age class, which is also my age class, will never be relevant again, ever...
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 Love how PB is spreading the drama by posting the already deleted post by Tinker. Drama life.
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 Based on this post it's amazing he's been able to keep a sponsor of any kind at all
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 I remember a WC race in bromont 1995 tinker was a few rows ahead of md at the start and took a leak in his shorts just before the start. Tinkler will always be in my memories.
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 His facebook page was hacked by MZ or the NSA to take the heat off of current events as they know the PB comment section is more than capable.
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 Don't let the Lefty hit you on the way out..... making room in budgets for the next generation is more important to continue brand trajectory than a dude racing in the masters XC class. He isn't relevant anymore, and they way he posted his bitter divorce from Cannondale shows his true colors, and I can see why they parted ways. We just say a similar situation happen in the snowboard world too,Burton cutting ties with long time athlete Terje H. Its the nature of the beast, if its any other sports, and you are no longer relevant your contract is not extended. Is Tom Brady going to be suited up, and paid a Salary when his career is long over..... doubtful, maybe Tinker should expand his horizon and gotten into a roll of TM, or something along those lines to stay connected and help future athletes.
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 I need to tink about this
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 This is life and I do feel bad for Tinker but at the end of the day it's just a job.

I wonder how many people would be willing to put their money where their mouth is and "crowdfund" Tinker?
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 When I think of Cannondale, Tinker Juarez and Missy Giove are the first two persons I think of. The riders I follow on the daily, like Max Fredriksson and Ratboy I don't really think of as C'dale riders even though they're more exposed and current.
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 Yes in the STATES he may have been someone at one time some time ago, I reckon if you asked 1000 mountain bikers anywhere outside the States you would struggle to find 5 people that even know this guys name. Its a bit brass of him calling himself the best ambassador in the sport, we all know that he isnt. Unfortunately , few make this their lifelong career and many professionals end with nowhere else to go
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 If you are 25 years old you will not know him. If you are 45 you will for sure know him. Respect the history of MTB and the guys that made the actual scene possible!
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 @rol79: I am in my 30s so what should I know, please do tell me since you are so sure. I never said whether I knew of him or not, just merely mentioning that his claim to being the biggest influencer in the sport is just BS
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 Tinker who? And doesn’t he still live home with his mom? Give us a break man. In the 90s the only thing remotely cool about him was his hair. Lucky for him there are plenty of job opportunities right now that pay around that same $25K a year. Good luck amigo!
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 Any brand can decide who represents them best. How many brands have supported an athlete through retirement to death. Its a commercial arrangement. If Cannondale price his value at one point and he prices his value at another and they part ways then its just business. He raced at a time when riders made a tonne of money in the first heyday of the sport, Im sure he is not poor.
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 Back in the day there were rumors that tinker used to train carrying rocks in his pack! Which gave me the idea to and I did, sneak a big flat Sedona rock in my friends vau-de pack and he carried it all the way up to the top of the munds wagon trail. At the top I asked him how his back was feeling and told him to look in his pack! Fortunately he didn’t beat me up and just laughed it off!
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 Not for nothing, but Tinker doesn't seem to get his sponsors coverage. He should study Wyn and his genius ways of making people tune into his videos www.pinkbike.com/news/video-wyn-tv-ews-tweed-valley.html
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 Tinker's since deleted response was extraordinarily unprofessional and if I was a potential sponsor would rule him out entirely from future sponsorship.

When you are in the public eye, it's best to take a moment, reread what you want to say, have your spouse review it for you, and sleep on it a day before responding.

That said, these are business decisions, just like any proper employment situation, and you aren't 'owed' anything. If you bring in more than you cost, most employers will keep you. Pretty simple.

That said if the gig only pays $25K/ year as Tinker claimed it's not much of a loss anyways. Part time job at Home Depot will make up that and still allow plenty of ride time.
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 A great sob ,what the hell are people talking about ?,this man can give some people 10-0 in many aspects,but this “new” world of facing/isnta some shit like that isn’t for this kind of people ,cause yes they don’t give a f*ck for the wanna be’s mtb riders ,the ones that think that they know what the best thing is (and they even got an idea ) cause riding at the pace tinker STILL does is something that ordinary people don’t get it ,and yes it’s a shame that such brand like cannondale is getting him ,a go ,cause in this “mordem”and “selfish”and “know it all from the internet “.I say you are completely stupid,and do not have any standers,I understand that cannondale doesn’t want to sponsor him any more ,but at the same time where’s is the HUMAN part ,the WORD,the RECOGNITION,I was glad that the brand manage to sponsor some not so racing people or some that didn’t want to race any more ,but if it true for some 25 something,come on there aren’t many like tinker. Great kiss and hug for you ,always a rider ,mordem days are stranger ,people need feeding,not from food (many people do ,no one remember them ,that thing of black live matters,just look at the child’s in those mothers arms and tell me that what ,people go around the earth for some days and what we should be glad :-(,,the money they spend on that luxury they should be spending in how to make people not dying from hunger ,f*ck them all with their vanity,cause that’s is all they gain )it’s a crazy world,no one cares about what being a Man/Woman ,it’s just what you are on the screen,in the end it’s all a joke ,Ride on People
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 I'll never forget how Tinker, completely incapable of winning the Olympic XC race went instead of Steve Larsen who could have won based on a small points benefit because of a single flat in a race by Steve. The US could have had a household XC name and instead we lost Steve Larsen to triathlon because he got burned by Tinker and USA Cycling. I'm not a fan of Tinker despite his legend status in the US. I can think of a lot offormer pros doing more work for trail access, R&D, media and promotion of the sport.
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 Kids, this is what NOT TO DO when your sponsorship comes to its conclusion, and they always do. This reaction will scare future sponsors away because they do not want this press when their would-be sponsorship of you comes to an end too. I would have wrote a glowing thank you public letter to cdale for the honor of getting paid for 27 years. That never happens in racing! Nobody is sponsored for life. Sponsors do not marry you, there is no wedding ring, no "until death do us part" agreement. sad.
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 Tinkers problem is he is a bike racer and not a social media influencer.
Sounds like Cannondale want everyone to be at the 50to1 type level of promotion.

But even then they don't have a good history with keeping sponsored riders who ARE at that level - Phil Gaimon?
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 Name another current cyclist who has had the career this guys has had, he is an icon. Cannondale is dumb.

Amateur
Two Wheeler's BMX: 1974
Bicycle Motocross News Team (Test Rider/Racer): Late 1974-November 1975
Kawasaki Motors: November 1975-Early 1976
National Bicycle Association: Early 1976-Mid 1976
Mongoose (BMX Products): Mid 1976-February 14, 1982. Tinker would turn professional with this sponsor.
Professional
Mongoose: 1976-February 14, 1982. He was sponsorless for approximately three months after his separation from Mongoose.
JMC (Jim Melton Cyclery) Racing Equipment: Mid May 1982-December 1982.
Bandito Racing: January 1983-Early February 1985
ODI (Ornate Design, Inc.): April 13, 1985 – April 14, 1985.[6] Seemed to have been a one weekend sponsorship since "ODI" does not appear next to Juarez's name in the BMX Plus! race results after this weekend. This company first started out making Christmas ornaments but switched to making bicycle grips and later grips for power tools as well as BMX and skateboarding accessories.[7]
Maximum: Early July 1985-
Career bicycle motocross titles
Note: Listed are District, State/Provincial/Department, Regional, National, and International titles in italics. "Defunct" refers to the fact of that sanctioning body in question no longer existing at the start of the racer's career or at that stage of his/her career. Depending on point totals of individual racers, winners of Grand Nationals do not necessarily win National titles. Series and one off Championships are also listed in block.

Amateur
National Bicycle Association (NBA)

1975 14 & Over Novice Western States Champion
1975 14 & Over Intermediate Grandnational Champion #2 (Jeff Bottema was the winner of the first Main[8]). This was the first ever BMX Grandnational Championship.
1976 15 Expert Winternational Champion
1976 14-15 Expert Western States Champion
1976 15 Expert California State Champion
National Bicycle League (NBL)

None
American Bicycle Association (ABA)

None
United States Bicycle Motocross Association (USBA)

None
International Bicycle Motocross Federation (IBMXF)

Professional
National Bicycle Association (NBA)

None
National Bicycle League (NBL)

None
American Bicycle Association (ABA)

1982 Pro Cruiser 2nd Place Jag World Champion (ABA sanctioned)
United States Bicycle Motocross Association (USBA)

None
International Bicycle Motocross Federation (IBMXF)

None
Independent Events and Series

1983 "A" Pro Second Place and Pro Cruiser Third Place Jag BMX World Super Bowl Championship Champion
Freestyle BMX
In April 1980, Tinker was named the first King of the Skateparks by Bicycle Motocross Action magazine.[9] He even graced the April 1980 cover of the magazine, making it one of the first pure freestyle magazine covers by a BMX magazine. Although no contest was ever held, it was a general declaration for his highly advanced maneuvers that no one were matching at the time.

Career BMX accolades
He was Bicycle Motocross Action's very first star interview in their first issue (December 1976/January 1977).[1]
He was one of the founding members of the Professional Racing Organization (PRO), the first attempt at a BMX racer's guild in 1977.[10]
He is a 1993 inductee into the ABA BMX Hall of Fame.
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 Racing: 1986 at 25 years of age.

Sub discipline: Cross Country (XC), Endurance

First race result:

Sanctioning Body:

Turned Professional: 1989


Ned Overend, John Tomac and Tinker Juarez Compete in the Cindy Whitehead Desert Classic, Palm Springs, California, 1989 - Photo by Patty Mooney
Retired:

Factory and corporate sponsors
Amateur
General Bicycles (General Bicycle & Moped Company): March 1988 – 1989 Juarez would turn pro with this sponsor.
Professional
General Bicycles: March 1988 – 1989
Klein Bicycles: 1990-1993
Volvo/Cannondale Bicycle Corporation: 1994-December 2002
Siemens Mobile/Cannondale: January 28, 2003[11]-December 2003
Mona Vie: January 2004-December 2005
Mona Vie/Cannondale: January 2006–Present
MTB major career achievements
Amateur
Professional
National Off-Road Bicycle Association (NORBA)

1994, 1995, 1998 United States NORBA Cross-Country Champion
2001 National Champion
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 United States National Champion, 24-Hour Solo Category
1995 1st (Gold Medal) – Pan American Games
1998 1st – National Cycling Association Cross-Country Finals
Career MTB accolades
Tinker Juarez appeared in two of the first instructional mountain biking videos ever produced: The Great Mountain Biking Video released in 1988, and "Ultimate Mountain Biking: Advanced Techniques & Winning Strategies" released in 1989 by New & Unique Videos of San Diego, California.
Juarez was selected as a member of the 1996 and 2000 Summer Olympics.
He was inducted into the Mountain Bike Hall of Fame in 2001.
Cannondale awarded Tinker its 'Icon Award' in 2005 for his contribution to the sport.
MTB magazine covers
Mountain Bike Action:

Ultra-Endurance racing career
In 2005, Tinker began training for long-distance road racing events. He won the Heart of the South, which is a 500-mile (800 km) race, and finished second place at the 2005 edition of the Furnace Creek 508, a grueling 508-mile (818 km) course that covers 35,000 feet (11,000 m) of cumulative elevation gain and passes through Death Valley. His podium finishes qualified Tinker for the 2006 Race Across America (RAAM), the annual transcontinental bicycle race from the west coast to the east coast of the United States. He came in third in the Men's Solo Enduro division of the RAAM endurance road race on June 22, 2006, completing the three thousand mile race which started in 2006 from Oceanside, California and finishing in Atlantic City, New Jersey. His finishing time was 10 days, 22 hours and 21 minutes.[12] Started Racing: 2005 at 44 years of age.

First race result:

Sanctioning Body:

Retired: Still Active.

Factory and corporate sponsors
Professional teams
Siemens Mobile/Cannondale: January 28, 2003[11]-December 2005
Cannondale: January 2006–October 2021
Ultra-Endurance road biking career achievements
3rd – Race Across America, Men's Solo - Enduro Category
1st – Heart of the South (500 miles)
2nd – Furnace Creak 508 (508 miles)
1st (Gold Medal) – Pan American Games (1995)
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 1989
1st – NORBA Iron Horse Classic
1993
1st UCI Grundig World Cup win at Mont St. Anne, Quebec Canada
1994
NCS National Cross-Country Champion
Silver Medal – Mountain Bike World Championships (Cross Country)
1995
NCS National Cross-Country Champion
Gold Medal – Pan American Games
1996
United States Olympic Team Member
1998
NCS National Cross-Country Champion
1st – NCA Cross-Country Finals
2nd – NCS Cross-Country; Red Wing
3rd overall – Tour of the Rockies
1999
5th overall – NORBA Short Track
9th overall – NORBA Cross-Country
2000
United States Olympic Team Member
5th – NORBA Cross-Country, Mt. Snow
7th – NORBA Cross-Country, Mammoth and Crystal Mountain
10th – World Cup XC, Mazatlan
2001
NORBA National Champion, 24-Hour Solo Category
Inductee – Mountain Bike Hall of Fame
1st – Gorge Games - 24 Hour Solo Race
1st – 24 Hours of Adrenaline - Laguna Seca
1st – 24 Hour US National Championships
5th – Mount Snow NORBA Cross Country Finals
6th – Deer Valley NORBA Cross Country Finals
2002
NORBA National Champion, 24-Hour Solo Category
24 Hour National Champion
1st – Gorge Games - 24 Hour Solo Race
1st – 24 Hours of Adrenaline - Winter Park
1st – 24 Hours of Adrenaline - Laguna Seca
1st – 24 Hours of 9 Mile
1st – 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo
2003
NORBA National Champion, 24-Hour Solo Category
1st – Solo 24 hours of Laguna Seca (National Championship)
1st – Solo 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo
1st – Solo 24 hours of Temecula
1st – Solo 24 hours of Moab, Utah
1st – Epic 75 at Big Bear
1st – Solo 12 hours of Humboldt
2nd – Solo 12 hours of Razorback
1st – Solo 12 horas MTB Sampa Bikers (Itupeva, São Paulo, Brazil)
2nd – Solo 24 hours of Mtn Whistle (World Championships)
2004
NORBA National Champion, 24-Hour Solo Category
2nd – Solo 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo
3rd overall (1st, masters) – La Ruta de los Conquistadores (Costa Rica)
2005
NORBA National Champion, 24-Hour Solo Category
1st – Heart of the South (500 mile road race)
2nd – Furnace Creak 508 (508 mile road race)
1st – Solo 24 Hours of Mountain Mayhem (Eastnor, England)
1st – Solo 24 hours of Temecula (Temecula, California)
1st – Solo 24 Hours of Mohican Wilderness (Glenmont, Ohio)
1st – Solo 12 hours of Razorback (Reddick, Florida)
3rd – Solo 12 hours of Humboldt
1st – Solo 12 Horas MTB Sampa Bikers (Itupeva, São Paulo, Brazil)
2006
3rd – Race Across America, Men's Solo - Enduro Category
1st – Solo 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo
2007
3rd – Wilderness 101 Endurance Mt. bike race
2009
1st – Tahoe Sierra 100 (Soda Springs, California)
2010
1st – Master world Championship, Camboriu, Brazil
2018
1st – Maah Daah Hey 100 (Medora, North Dakota)
Notes
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 Hans Rey: Videos on YouTube, demos around the world, forms non-profit to get bikes into African communities, takes epic rides with other amazing riders, can still send it. I’m inspired.
Tinker: Age group wins on free bikes from C’dale and blazin’ huge joints.Who cares?
  • 11 11
 He's still racing???
I think Cipollini sold more Cannondale in his 5 years on Saeco than Tinker ever did...by a lot. Sorry pal.
I'd be more sympathetic if not for the post that sounds more like a petulant child than a senior adult.
  • 2 0
 Some crowfunding and a local framebuilder (who provides him a not disposable bike) is the only thing he needs to keep kicking asses
  • 4 0
 Glen Plake skis on Elans now
  • 2 0
 And Seth Morrison just skis
  • 5 1
 Well. He definitely won't be able to find a job as a proof reader.
  • 1 1
 Reminds me of the time the millenial radio guy called up paul mcartney to tell him his music was great and the station could probably launch his career , like tinker a lot of the mtb world dont know who he is but thats the passage of time , today selling shit is what a lot of companies do and the attention span of the insta world is 5 ,you have to get your message seeded in the brain , tough territory
  • 2 4
 Yeah, i reckon that radio guy might've been joking dude... Cool story though..
  • 1 1
 @deadmeat25: nope it was in the press right here he only said it happened after annie lennox ( shes from a band called the eurythmics if your under 30) www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jun/30/annie-lennox-scouted-by-us-radio im more disapointed however that the crazy frog appears to be the new cool kids track and thats from the era of pretty shitty eurotrash music that started with the vengabus
  • 7 3
 Dude sounds like he didn’t save for retirement. Oops.
  • 2 0
 I ran into him here on a local SoCal trail many years ago. Seemed nice enough. Certainly blew by me on the climb like I was standing still.
  • 4 4
 Someone needs to assure Tinker that his time as a "household name" in mountain biking is gone, a few generations have followed since his last win and no one is buying a Cannondale because of him, no one. $25,000 a year just for being a has-been is quite good, that will at least keep the lights on! Lesson of the day: Don't bite the hand that fed you for nearly FOUR DECADES. What it looks like to me is that he forgot to carve a new path for himself into retirement, R&D, media..... I wish him luck, but wow, the arrogance is impressive.
  • 2 1
 Cannondale, a big box brand paying 25k/year to a legend in Lycra but actually wants to be a counter culture brand paying for social media art shows.

Mountain biking is so cool.
  • 4 0
 Trek needs to scoop him up and paint a Klein storm tribute edition.
  • 1 1
 Is this a super epic troll?? You know he raced for Klein??
  • 1 0
 @maxmerkle: that was the Vintage MTB Festival Quizz Question n*16: vintagemtb.org/quizz
  • 4 0
 He ripped in a skate bowl too.
  • 3 0
 @deadmeat25: Yup. He was a BMX star before XC
  • 1 1
 It's quite simple, it's a business relationship. If a company prefers to invest that 25k into other venues / events etc that's 100% their choice. The fact that you've always stayed loyal to one brand, doesn't mean you can expect to be on their payroll forever. You had a good run together and that's that. Instead of crying about it online, he should have thanked them for all the years they've collaborated together. Any other brand would be wise to stay away from this "ambassador" based on this post alone.
  • 2 2
 So younger people don’t know him, a lot of pinkers think pinkbike is some protector of mtb and shouldn’t post news. Wtf.

Just from a business area cannondale is moving focus to the fun crowd not racing so an image redo. And the 90’s vibe is not mountain biking today the spandex is going away for most unless racing so this makes 100% business sense
  • 3 0
 The reason is obvious: They need the cash to cover warranty claims #crackNfail
  • 3 1
 guy dedicates his life to cycling and gets a kick in the ass from Crack'n'Fail along with 1/2 the cyclists on this page.

you all suck wind.
  • 1 0
 Dick move Cannondale. Tinker has a special place in my heart, and images of him racing like a bad man helped shape my passion for bikes which I still have. Ride on Tinker, you legend you.
  • 1 0
 that seems like a pretty damn good run in my book. My athletes would be pumped to have 40 years with the same company. Embrace it bro and move on to the next chapter of your life.
  • 7 3
 Good for Tinker!
  • 3 0
 does he still mash monster sized gears?
  • 2 1
 Or run 45 psi in his tires?
  • 3 0
 And still runs downhill size pedals
  • 9 5
 Entitled much?
  • 3 0
 He was the best when he was on klein.
  • 3 0
 The fact that this was deleted says everything you need to know.
  • 3 0
 Roberto Durran once said
" I'm not God but pretty close"
  • 2 2
 I am getting a little bit of a chuckle because of something inappropriate he said to someone I know well. As far as I know she keeps it to herself, so I won't go any farther than that. But you can read between the lines.
  • 3 0
 cannondale needs more money to pay bryceland Wink
  • 4 1
 Maybe we can dispatch a waambulance that uses tinker bells?
  • 3 0
 Tinker you really rock hope you can get a good sponsor pronto.
  • 3 0
 "Has a hint of the lopes"

This hits oh so good, on a few levels.
  • 1 0
 Wut
  • 4 2
 Seems like one of the execs should have just chipped off 25k from their salary to keep him on instead of canning a legend
  • 4 0
 Wonder who picks him up?
  • 1 0
 He could have been a good E-Bike brand ambassador for Cannondale and got them lots of social media exposure. A bit of a wasted opportunity really.
  • 1 0
 I bought that exact blue F3000 the year it came out and rode it for ten years. It was a glorious day when I ditched it for a modern mountain bike!
  • 2 0
 When I was in an XC race with Tinker a few years ago he missed a turn got lost and quit the race.
  • 3 0
 People still ride Cannondales?
  • 2 0
 Looks like Tinker gonna be selling a lot of Cannondales alright. In the near future.
  • 2 0
 Racing doesn't make you valuable. Neither does being a prick, sandbagging, complaining about EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.
  • 1 0
 FEELING A BIT SAD FOR TINKER! AT THE END OF THE DAY LOADS OF BRANDS ARE LOOSING THE CORE INDUSTRY CREDIBILITY BASING THEIR MARKETING STRATEGIES ON SCIENCE AND NOT ON CULTURE
  • 1 0
 Funny, last weekend I saw a Cannondale van with Tinker Juarez on the side at the Hungry Valley motorcycle riding area in Gorman Ca. Thought to myself it was odd.
  • 1 0
 Everything has to come to an end...its how you end it will be how you're remembered...its a shame how he expressed himself on social media...truly a legend in his time.
  • 2 0
 Came here for the comments. Might have to print them and read it like a book over the xmas hols. RIP Tinker :-(
  • 8 8
 Wow I can’t believe they would treat a guy like this who has raced bobsleds for them for so many years. Wait… I’m on the wrong website…who is this?
  • 7 6
 CRRRRRINNNGEE. And his response is exactly why you don't want this man affiliated with your company.
  • 3 1
 Ya, well…life sucks sometimes Tinker.
  • 2 0
 Oh Tinker and “Paul” the world owes none of us nothing.
  • 2 0
 Tinker-Gate. The sad part is we may never know the true story and/or care.
  • 1 0
 A perfect example of an industry showing how self-immolation is performed on one of their own!
  • 3 1
 I remember the headshock contest, I wonder which picture won?
  • 4 2
 What a baby. Tomac, Ned, and Joe were way cooler…
  • 2 0
 Why pay for pro riders when your sold out on bikes?
  • 3 0
 Damn, tough crowd
  • 3 0
 Long live the king.
  • 1 0
 The level of cannondale's support.... "Tinker, pay us to ride a cannondale"
  • 3 1
 Aww bless, the free money stopped...
  • 1 0
 I thought he rode for Klein- that shows how much of an impact he made recently..
  • 2 0
 Listen to the podcast - Wow, this guy loves himself.
  • 1 0
 How dare they? I'm me! ....

If you are such a great brand ambassador someone will pick you up.
  • 5 5
 Just another sleazy rider.
  • 2 0
 Again, read my post below and, most importantly, he is one less human participant in the super jingus social media realm.
  • 9 9
 Tinkers the man!!. Shows how society forgets..this new generation sucks..it's sad.
  • 4 16
flag deadmeat25 (Oct 6, 2021 at 21:57) (Below Threshold)
 No cross country rider has ever been, or ever will be "the man'...
  • 10 0
 @deadmeat25: John Tomac should reach through the screen and slap you
  • 1 0
 It's all your fault that ...you need heroes!!
  • 1 0
 geezus, 25K!? that's only 2 bikes.
  • 1 0
 What about philip mirhague propbly spelt wrong lol.
  • 1 0
 Brace for a retirement season of riders with no plan B.
  • 2 0
 Hero
  • 1 0
 Damn, I m outta of popcorn. Gonna grab some more.
  • 2 0
 Who?
  • 1 0
 i remember him from the Chainsmoke into. Kid, kid, hate what ya did!
  • 2 0
 Who?
  • 1 0
 Very influential in early bmx racing and skatepark riding
  • 1 0
 Kudos to him for riding and competing all those years.
  • 1 0
 Do Man United still pay Beckham?
  • 11 10
 Who?
  • 1 0
 No one is wrong.
  • 4 7
 Hey Tinker, I saw you race in the 90’s…against Tomac, Overend, and many others. Those guys retired years ago; in case you were wondering when it’s time to retire, I’d say right now!
  • 2 2
 Lay off the keyboard mate, nobody cares. What have done with your bike? Influenced a generation of riders? Entered the hallowed hall of fame? No, no you didn't you silly man.
  • 1 0
 @danlovesbikes: Tinker needs to wash his hair, too.
  • 4 5
 why do i feel like if you're dont have a collection of spandex, you dont know who this guy is..
  • 3 2
 Fawkin roadies!
  • 1 0
 hit em with it
  • 1 0
 Who?
  • 1 0
 Who
  • 6 8
 To be honest. Not really happy Pinkbike posted his deleted post. The guy deserves some leeway here.
  • 4 1
 He does not.
  • 1 1
 Trinker who?
  • 16 18
 Typical boomer thinking the world owes him a job.
  • 3 1
 You seem nice.
  • 1 0
 Jesus, where'd that come from?!
  • 7 8
 Who?
  • 3 2
 why the (self proclaimed) best ambassador in the sport of course
  • 2 2
 @Assclapp: were you born in 2000? Do you feel a frustrating entitlement that clouds all of your judgements? I'd like to say you'll get over it, but...
  • 8 9
 Lycra sucks.
  • 2 4
 Always thought he was Mexican?
  • 3 6
 Didn't know he was Still upright and riding.
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