What Does Portugal's 'State of Calamity' Mean for the Lousa World Cups?

Oct 22, 2020 at 8:41
by James Smurthwaite  
Phto: Wikimeida Commons

Last Wednesday, Portugal announced a 'State of Calamity' and announced further restrictions to help stem the spread of Coronavirus. Portugal has fared better than most Western European countries at controlling the spread of COVID 19 but has still recorded a total of 106,000 cases and 2,229 deaths from its population of 10.28 million.

However, its cases have started to rise rapidly since the start of September and the country is now recording around 2,000 new cases and double-digit more deaths each day. On October 16, it recorded 2,608 new cases, the most since the pandemic began. To help combat the spread of the disease, Portugal's prime minister has limited gatherings to five people and raised the maximum fines for shops, restaurants and other businesses that violate anti-COVID-19 rules to €10,000.

Isn't there a Formula 1 Grand Prix in Portugal this weekend?

Photo: Wikimedia Commons

Yes, an even bigger event than the downhill World Cups is going ahead this weekend in Portugal, the Formula One Grand Prix. The good news is that Open Air events have not yet been banned by the government. Visit Portugal advises: "Outdoor shows can take place in a delimited venue to allow access control, even if free. They must follow rules of social distance and circulation, in order to minimize physical contact".

The Grand Prix was originally supposed to run with 46,000 spectators, half the venue's total capacity, but it will now only be open to 27,500 attendees. The Portuguese government said that fans will be "distributed by separated stands, with a variable occupancy capacity and divided into sectors of about 800 people". There will be no moving between stands and spectators will be spread out within the stand to ensure social distancing.

We'll be watching the event closely but if it goes ahead as planned we can't see why two downhill World Cups couldn't the next weekend.

What is the current status of the downhill World Cups?

Green lights for Loris crossing the line. What a finish. Now he waits in anticipation while Bruni takes on the track.
Get used to sparse finish areas, spectators are encouraged to stay away from Lousa this weekend.

Currently, the races in Lousa are scheduled to go ahead from 30 October to 1 November. The border with Portugal's only land neighbor, Spain, also remains open, which should mean teams have no issue driving their pits from Maribor to Lousa. With most of the new cases in Portugal concentrated in the north and around the capital Lisbon, the Coimbra region that is home to Lousa should also avoid the predicted local lockdowns in the immediate future.

The organizers, Montanha Clube, have announced that spectators will not be allowed at the venue. They said, "The best place to watch is at home! Given the current global situation, the Mountain Clube will not create any public conditions in Mercedes-Benz UCI MTB World Cup, unlike what it would want. We appeal to common sense and respect from everyone in order to achieve our event safely! Watch live stream on RedBull TV!"

Other than that, you can expect the masks, regular testing and peloton bubble of previous rounds to remain in effect to keep the riders safe and separate from the Portuguese public. We contacted the organizers for further information on the status of the event but they did not respond for comment.

Of course, the situation is still subject to change as the outbrek continues to worsen and further restrictions could still be brought in that affect the running of the race. For now, we're keeping everything crossed that we get to go racing again next weekend as long as it is safe to do so.

Update: Reuters is reporting that today the Felgueiras, Lousada and Pacos de Ferreira municipalities in Portugal, will enter partial lockdowns on Friday. Residents in these areas will only be able to leave home for work, school or other essential activities such as buying food and medicine. All three are located around 150km (90 miles) north of Lousa.


  • 145 0
 'State of Calamity' Best band name, ever.
  • 181 1
 First album - Global Pandemic. Tour cancelled.
  • 11 21
flag suspended-flesh (Oct 22, 2020 at 15:00) (Below Threshold)
 I doubt that these races will happen. That's probably a wrap on UCI DH 2020
  • 4 1
 Not as good as 'Clumsy Direct Translation'.
  • 4 0
 Nope.. perhaps the second best. Bloody Stools is the best band name, ever
  • 1 0
Only this comes to mind.
  • 5 2
 @13Mcfly: I think 'Anal c*nt' tops that....
  • 1 0
 @nojzilla: Yes! RIP Seth Putnam
  • 1 0
 @paulskibum: the best thing I've read in a long time.
  • 3 0
  • 1 1
 @paulskibum: this is probably the most creative comment on PB
  • 1 0
 @paulskibum: But using the downtime to write and record a double-album.


About time to stock up on toilet paper again? For nostalgic reasons.
  • 2 0
 It is what happens when things go all cattywampus.
  • 1 0
 That title was taken by Corrosion of Conformity.
  • 2 0
 @FUbob: Never heard of that but I saw then in 82 as a 3 piece HC band and they destroyed.
  • 2 0
Rad! My older bro took me to see Metallica with Dave M as the frontman at the Keystone on Broadway.
Our soda cans were red white and blue ones..
  • 2 0
 @FUbob: Holy shit. That's some vintage M. I think you mean the Stone - the Keystone was in Berkeley. First show I remember at the Stone was Bad Brains with Cro-Mags. There was that shop Rock on Broadway where you could get your studded belts....
  • 1 0
 @FUbob: I also saw Destruction there in the early 80 if you're into old German thrash
  • 2 0
You are correct, the Stone in SF. There was a Keystone in Palo Alto also, saw Metallica there as well. Fishbone too at both spots.
  • 2 0
 @FUbob:. Yes, PA Keystone - forgot about that one. I forgot a lot of stuff. Pretty sure I saw ST there. There was one in Berkeley, too. Somehow related.

Fishbone shows were sick - mad energy.
  • 84 3
 well at least if it's cancelled the French won't win another this season
  • 6 1
 Apparently that's what it takes. The Frenchies are fast again this year.... like every other year.
  • 2 0
 @Molesdigmyjumps nooo... don't... You're fast people too...
  • 4 1
 There is this certain lad from Ireland...
  • 17 2
 Just a couple of comments:
- it's not the President who changes the restrictions, rather the Prime Minister
- it was announced today that, on that weekend, citizens will be forbidden to cross municipality borders (except some exceptions, like work). I guess this one might have an impact on the event
  • 1 0
 Can you guys still ride on your own, or do you really have to stay indoors all the time (except work, school, etc)?
  • 2 0
 @cvoc: You can still ride on your own but as of this weekend that must take place within the municipality in which you live.
  • 4 1
 @cvoc: there is no lockdown in place at the moment
  • 6 0
 Give me a wool fisherman's sweater and a bottle of Porto
  • 3 1
 Genuinely curious on why this one was downvoted
  • 3 0
 @Arierep: Very odd that it got downvoted. Im not Portuguese but live in Portugal and also just read that no crossing municipalities. However it was unclear if that means that visitors (non-citizens, tourists etc.) also cant travel? Thinking about tourists around the country who have flights or something.
  • 2 0
 @rokokong: AFAIK, the border crossing ban is only to be during the next weekend, and you can still do it if you're in possession of proof of need to do so. So you can have a declaration document that you are doing so because of work, classes, etc etc
  • 15 1
 Fingers crossed everything goes ahead, with snow falling in our little corner of the world watching these races is about all that's keeping me sane right now. Be safe out there. Let's have some good racing.
  • 28 37
flag PhillipJ (Oct 22, 2020 at 12:38) (Below Threshold)
 I'm as keen as the next guy to see some racing but I think they should cancel. Yeah riders can make an individual decision to not compete but I think the UCI should take responsibility.
  • 13 0
 Most of Europe are closed for travelling or will be in the next couple of days. Damn you corona
  • 9 0
 i can fly edinburgh scotland to lisbon return for £28 ......Obviously i would just watch on the live stream at a local bar ,with a mask and practice social distancing . lets face it who wants to get close to a drunk,kilted, hairy arsed scotsman .......
  • 9 0
 I'm not sure they even have special brew over there you know? This trip could be a disaster.
  • 8 0
 Corona going back up on eve of flu season... We should all go back into hiding until spring, where we all reemerge and then promptly cause another spike for another summertime shutdown.
  • 9 0
 After reading the comments I forgot what the article is about....
  • 4 0
 Luckily with the World Cup being an open event and in its own bubble with every single rider ,mechanic,driver and personnel testing negative at the round one week ago and Covid tests being done on Monday the World Cup will still go ahead.
  • 1 0
 I hope @letoux: get to drop another " Gerwoman"
  • 9 2
 DT would make sure the race went on to epic proportions and it would be huuuugggeeeee.
  • 2 0
 But would he really drain the swamp if it rains?
  • 6 0
 Our spokes are tremendous. Everyone knows that.
  • 2 0
 He should put the race into Lenzerheide, then it'd be the DT Swiss race...
  • 8 1
 "State of Calamity" is the name of my new band.
  • 8 4
 I've just got to say, I love the covid-related racing updates, because it makes it so much easier to block all of the nut-cases on here.
  • 2 0
 This was going to be my first WC watching live, but COVID had different plans... Now we have municipality travel ban on that weekend, so red bull TV... And even more fucked up because 2 venues mean next year there will be no race here either...
  • 9 5
 Sorry but the way things are developing in Europe looks like no more wc. And it makes sense.
  • 6 2
 The way things are going right now, I’d personally prefer if everybody was cautious. Then we’ll maybe all be able to ride our bikes individually or near our hometown at least over winter.

Flying hundreds of people all across the globe to have them race down a track isn’t necessary and not justifiable at this point IMHO.

And I DO like WCs, watching them and am absolutely fine with people having their fun. But these are dire times for big events.
  • 3 8
flag khakiflame (Oct 23, 2020 at 0:50) (Below Threshold)
 thats your opinion, it doesnt make sense, let the people decide what to do and what they want
  • 11 4
 @khakiflame: (Dumb) People doing what they want is the reason why we are in this mess.
  • 3 1
 @khakiflame: literally that's how the virus spreads.
  • 1 0
 @Mondbiker: thank dumbmondbiker, but its a flu not the black death. its people like you why we have this shit, not the virus is the problem, its the people who gets fooled
  • 1 0
 @fruitsd79: right, well recognized
  • 3 0
 My guess is that it will be cancelled. They started a few weeks too late. In August / September they could have had a bunch of races, but now corona is back in full swing.
  • 2 1
 I love DHI World Cups as much as the next Pinkbiker, however in order to preserve the racing for the future, call it a day for this year, and award the fantasy DH prize to the person in 106th place. Ahem. Because its the right thing to do.
  • 4 0
 Calamity is just a word used to make ska-reggae songs sound woke
  • 5 0
 Congratulations Loris .
  • 1 0
 No overall if Lousa doesn’t happen. Still have 2 WCs to his name though.
  • 1 1
 It's not like he wouldn't have won it anyway. He would've won the rainbow jersey as well if it weren't for those track conditions. Not taking any credit from Reece Wilson, but Loris is on fire this year.
  • 2 0
 @Xavier-dh25: I'm not so sure he would have won, he didn't win qualis either. If course we can say he would've won if he went faster... but he didn't, that's racing!
  • 2 0
 @Xavier-dh25: Don't forget Wilson won qualifying for the 1st World Cup race.
  • 4 0
 You know you don't cancel F1 for the money. DH weeeeelll?
  • 7 0
 Probably they will cancel open air events 5 minutes after the F1 is done. Indeed, too much money involved...
  • 1 1
 Money for who, FIA or the host? The tracks are losing revenue hosting the races because there are no spectators/tickets being sold.
  • 1 1
 @Jamminator: Would you pay to resurface your track a month ago knowing you can’t have fans if there was no money to be made short or long term? I think not.
  • 1 1
 @shotouthoods: For a heck of a lot of reasons. First, because tracks are contractually obligated to meet any modernization requirements under their agreement with F1 (everything from safety to infrastructure is bundled in that). Algarve hasn't been on the calendar in over a decade, and the resurfacing was done with F1's oversight to bring it up to par. Another reason is future consideration, where they want to offer the best experience possible so they are considered for being a host venue in upcoming seasons; forward thinking to the big picture.
  • 1 0
 @Jamminator: 45000 fans and all the vip boxes. No fans?
  • 2 3
 Today it was supposed to have been the best national enduro race, in Terras de Bouro - InNature www.facebook.com/InNatureTdB but the cancellation was ordained by the government/health authorities, so don't take it for granted that this race will happen. The Portuguese government is so unstable that just within 2 days everything may change. That's what happens when you have idiot socialists in charge.
  • 2 0
 Is somebody subsidising the venues? They must be losing cash given lack of crowds. Is the UCI reducing fees?
  • 27 26
 Trump will be out of a job next week. The Portugese could hire him to crush Covid for them?
  • 20 7
 Let's hope.
  • 16 34
flag hamncheez (Oct 22, 2020 at 12:51) (Below Threshold)
 I was hesitant to predict a winner earlier on this summer. However, once Biden picked Kamala Harris as his VP I'm calling a Trump victory. Harris is extremely unpopular within her own party, as can be seen by her results in the Primary. She was even crushed in her home state. Harris also has a lot of baggage from her time as a prosecutor, where she withheld DNA testing kits ($12) to innocent men in jail, used convicts for slave labor, and prosecuted marijuana users while admitting to using it herself.
  • 22 9
 @hamncheez: She definitely has some baggage, but she's super qualified, has good favorability numbers inside and outside of the party, and at the end of the day, VP picks don't matter thaaat much.

There's nothing about her record that would somehow mask the 10-point national lead Biden has in polls. It just isn't feasible.

People need to show up and vote, that's it.
  • 13 3
 @hamncheez: You haven't seen the polls, obviously.
  • 2 1
 @lev3000 I wish I had your confidence.
  • 11 15
flag hamncheez (Oct 22, 2020 at 13:24) (Below Threshold)
 @jayacheess: @emarquar how did those polls work out in 2016?

If you look at the polls asking people if they think they are better off now than they were in 2016, they are very favorable to the President.

Kamala doesn't have good favorability ratings. She fought against getting a DNA test for an innocent man on death row. I mean, how can you get any more evil than that?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Trump supporter. He (just like Biden) is a rapist and a war monger. I like Pence as a person, but I don't agree with his policies either.
  • 16 6
 @hamncheez: The polls have Biden with a MUCH larger margin than Clinton ever had, and especially large margins in battleground states that Trump narrowly won.

"He (just like Biden) is a rapist"

Jesus christ, mate. Get your information from sources other than conspiracy websites/facebook/youtube channels.
  • 7 12
flag hamncheez (Oct 22, 2020 at 13:42) (Below Threshold)
 @jayacheess: Google Tara Reade please.
  • 10 8
 @hamncheez: They dont know how the media works here. I think they should probably worry about their own country.
  • 5 1
 @hamncheez: the polls were fine in 2016. Polls predicted Clinton would win in a close contest and the final election results were within the 3% stated margin of error.
  • 20 2
 @hamncheez: You like Pence as a person? I didn't even realise he had a personality.
  • 12 18
flag jclnv (Oct 22, 2020 at 14:23) (Below Threshold)
 @jayacheess: It will be a total landslide for Trump. All those people on the fence have seen the BLM burning down cities and the Dems aligning with them and they want nothing to do with that.
  • 2 0
  • 5 0
 @lev3000: Trump will have the job until at least January 20, 2021. What happens next week?
  • 4 8
flag nug12182 (Oct 22, 2020 at 14:55) (Below Threshold)
 @suspended-flesh: Just some dumbass not knowing what they're talking about.
  • 5 1
 Might as well join in...
So what's the end game?
No illness ever? No illness according to death ever? No sickness that lands you in the hospital? What?
  • 8 7
 @hamncheez: Even if this is true, which it isn't, Trump has been accused of rape by at least 25 different women... He's a f*cking disaster!
  • 7 0
 @paulskibum: the Fly actually had more personality
  • 4 7
 @billreilly: the accusations against Biden are very strong. And you'll notice that I called both of them rapists. Go ahead and Google tara reade
  • 6 3
 @hamncheez: the accusations against Joe Biden are cloudy as hell with no one sure what is fact and what is disinformation. I mean the source is someone with known ties to the KGB. That said at a minimum there is an appearance of a conflict of interest and Joes son is a total train wreck.
  • 7 7
 @iantmcg: Tara Reade was a staffer in the office of then Senator Joe Biden in 1993. She claims that one day at work Biden pinned her up against a wall and kissed her while reaching his hand under her skirt and penetrating her with his fingers.

A friend of Tara Reade said that Reade had confided in her about the alleged assault when it happened. A second friend whom Reade met about a decade after the incident says that Reade also told her around 2007/2008 about the alleged assault.

On August 11, 1993 a woman called into Larry King Live from San Luis Obispo, CA asking for advice on a problem her daughter was having as a staffer in the office of a prominent senator. Tara Reade claims the woman calling is her mother. CNN confirmed Reade’s mother lived in San Luis Obispo.

In March 25, 1996, Tara Reade’s then husband filed a court declaration which stated that Tara Reade had told him in 1993 that she was being sexually harassed while working in the office of Senator Joe Biden. He also wrote that: “It was obvious that this event had a very traumatic effect on (Reade), and that she is still sensitive and effected by it today.”

She confided in multiple people when it happened in 1993. Plus there is tons of video and photo evidence of biden being sexually inappropriate with women and young girls.
  • 3 2
 @hamncheez: that doesn't seem the least bit cloudy to me.
  • 8 4
Biden: 1
Trump: 25

Well there’s one thing he is ahead of Biden on
  • 8 5
 @hamncheez: Tara Reade stuff has been widely discredited. There are multiple accounts of her lying over the years. She lied about her professional credentials and her degree, to the point that several legal cases are being reopened due to testimony she gave as an expert witness.

Her lawyers at the moment, are a prominent Trump supporter, and a former writer for Sputnik (Russian state media).
  • 4 1
 @ReformedRoadie: could you list 3?
  • 2 3
 @nug12182: your comment is straight from the Trump University ‘how to influence others’ module. That is before it was discredited and Trump had to refund around $25000000 to the people he conned.
  • 4 0
 @jayacheess: It has not been widely discredited. I believe some of the allegations against Trump, and the Tara Reade accusation is significantly more credible.

Man, you Biden supporters are just as blind as any Trump supporter. I have family who post stuff like, "Obama kicked Jesus out of the White House. Trump invited him back in" and other nonsense. How could someone be so blind? Well guess what, you and I are just as blind to our own candidates (I don't have one, luckily). Just google "creepy joe" and there are over a hundred pictures of him being sexually inappropriate with women and young girls.
  • 6 0
 But we are getting distracted from the main point. The point is that Kamala was one of the worst VP choices for Biden, and will hurt his electability. Biden wants to shut down the economy completely for COVID. Trump wants to keep kinda shutting things down. Because of social shaming of the intolerant Left, most people are afraid to admit that they agree more with Trump, you need a balance between transmission mitigation and allowing commerce to continue. Trump has reached a balance not from analysis and competence, but from infighting in his administration, spur of the moment policy changes, and the desire to offer an alternative to Biden.

If you look at peoples actual behavior, everyone with high school age kids is moving away from California and New York (which have the strictest lockdowns). My area of Utah, which pretty much has shut down nothing, has seen a huge jump in housing prices. My wife and I were looking to upgrade and buy a larger house this summer, but housing prices went up 10% in a single summer, with 2/3s of the buyers being from California or New England. I could go on with more examples, but to me its pretty clear Trump will win. I personally would prefer if no one won this election and we could just live our lives in peace.
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: Utah is exploding with Covid cases right now, correct?

The election is effectively over and I don't believe it will shake out the way you think. My vote went to Howie in a symbolic call for a 3rd party because this is not a Democracy - it's a Distraction.
  • 1 1
 @suspended-flesh: no it isn't. I don't really know much about statistica.com, but they have Utah with the 7th lowest death rate of all states:


Who is Howie?
  • 4 4
 @hamncheez: for once, the issue is simpler than the reality you are painting. On the one hand we have Biden, who is possibly a bit rapey, has a problematic son and is beset by more traditional political pitfalls, and Trump, who heads a crime family that is itself in hock to all manner of hostile foreign influences and has been used as a Trojan horse for decades by said parties, can't open his mouth without verbal turds dropping out, has f*cked up his country like no other individual in history (which supports the Trojan horse assertion), has propped up his business interests using his office, is probably clinically insane, is reportedly a substance abuser, wants to withdraw healthcare from those most in need, is chomping at the bit to commit genocide on his southern border, is *significantly rapier* than his opponent, is willing to destroy our environment to secure funding from the usual lobbies, etc. etc. etc.
f*ck this false equivalence man. Seriously, there is no argument.
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: Howie Hawkins (G). There are many other symbolic presidential candidates. You don't have to choose only Coke or Pepsi. In my state the electoral votes are already allocated to Biden, so why waste my vote that way?

RE: Utah - I'm talking about the surge right now. Most cases ever reported there. Going in the wrong direction. Most states besides Hawaii are.

  • 1 1
 @BenPea: So the best alternative to evil is... evil? Why settle for evil?

The problem is most people only see one election, not the series of elections over time.

What would happen if Biden loses, and its because the younger, anti-corruption demographic didn't show up? The Party Elders, in their smoke-filled secret rooms, would have to start pushing and rigging candidates like Tulsi Gabbard, that Globachar woman, or another person whos life isn't a trail of wickedness and corruption. Over time, standing true to your principles will get a better outcome than continual compromise.
  • 1 0
 @suspended-flesh: My wife might make me vote, and if I do it would 100% be Jo Jorgensen
  • 4 6
 @hamncheez: the system will take decades, centuries to change. Fight one evil at a time or you will fight none at all. A vote for DT is a vote for a dynastic dictatorship. You want Vanky and Jared in the white house? Do you really care about your country or are you more worried about ideological purity?
And I think the youngsters and anti-DT faction will show up, look at the votes already cast by mail. People can see what this guy represents, even if 30-40% love the fact that he grants them a licence to show their true sordid colours. That's the only thing he has actually delivered for people. A licence to hate. It's as simple as that. Any vote against Biden is a vote for Trump and against human decency, whatever Biden is. Biden was the right weapon for this particular job. I'd have had Warren every day of the week, but the US still has too much of a taste for misogyny and crumbling old men.
  • 2 3
 @hamncheez: "My area of Utah, which pretty much has shut down nothing, has seen a huge jump in housing prices." Also a huge jump in corona cases, as a result.
  • 4 3
 @BenPea: Dude, be realistic. Trump has done some bad things, but the world hasn't ended. When you guys use such hyperbole about the guy it almost makes me want to vote for him. Trump has been mostly the status quo for US presidents- bomb the Mideast, raise the deficit, and make some personal money on the side. Biden did that during the Obama years, and would continue to do that if elected. Most of the bad stuff people yell about Trump was also done under Obama and Bush.

Warren lied about her race for financial gain. Thats why she lost, not "misogyny"
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: Misogynistic old men or ideologue globalists like Warren. Pick your poison.
  • 3 1
 @deserat: Cases are rising everywhere, not only in Utah. Utah cases are not rising faster than the rest of the country.

Cases does not equal mortality. Most "cases" are positive tests where the patient isn't even aware they have the virus and are asymptomatic. The fact remains that people choose to break quarantine laws, and move to states that are more relaxed in their shutdowns. Whether they are right or not remains to be seen, but I see this as an instrumental variable when trying to predict their voting behavior.
  • 3 6
 @hamncheez: come on, you can't normalize this guy, what filters are you looking through? The second term is usually where a president tries to ram home what he wants to do. Given that DT only cares about DT and his mob, what will that entail? It's a truly scary prospect.

@jclnv: I have 2 nationalities and see women as a major part of the solution (testosterone is a dirty drug), so your question couldn't seem weirder to me.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Good - at least do SOMETHING with your 'voice'. Speaking of Utah, I'm catching up on Matt's Off Road Recovery YT channel right now. Hurrk'n
  • 4 3
 @BenPea: Have you ever worked with women? The evolutionary genetic makeup of women makes testosterone look like a party drug. Men don’t understand women, women understand women, and they hate each other.
  • 7 9
 @hamncheez You're beyond help, dude. Trump has been a disaster for both the US and the world. His 'enemy of the people' rhetoric towards journalists; his manipulating of the justice department; his cozying up to despotic regimes, while going out of his way to piss off traditional allies; his massive corruption and self enrichment using his office; his attack on immigrants, nazi-esque child separation policies. God, the list is infinite.

For you to point at Kamala-f*cking-Harris and yell about the sky falling with Trump and his sycophant Pence in office, helping him along the way - it's just beyond parody. Go back in your hole and wait for the adults to finish deciding the election.
  • 2 2
 @jclnv: ok Jordan
  • 8 4
 @jayacheess: Google "firey, but mostly peaceful protests". Did twitter ban any stories about trumps alleged tax returns because they were "hacked" like how they are banning any stories about Bidens son doing hookers and blow, while having his dad (Biden) selling access to himself as VP? The media is the enemy of the people.

He has not manipulated the Justice department. Obama weaponized the Justice Department, IRS, FDIC, and other Federal agencies against conservative individuals and organizations. Was straight up evil, but the world didn't end.

The USA pays for 29% of the UNs budget, and the UN just voted China onto the Human Rights council. Few countries are meeting their obligations to NATO, of which 22% is USA funded. If you have old friends, but lately they've been using you, abusive to you, etc, telling them to shape up or ship out is the way to go.

The nazi-eque child separation policies happened under Trump, Obama, Bush, and Clinton. Reagan actually did blanket amnesty twice.

Calling me a child and implying you are an adult shows how weak your arguments are. This is an election in MY country, not yours. I am not an expert in Canadian politics, but US Presidential politics is something I spend a great deal of time focusing on. I have a degree in Economics, and that is the primary filter I use to try and analyze elections.

I do not support Trump. I won't be voting for him. That doesn't change that, based on what I've read and seen, I predict Trump will win.
  • 3 0
 @jayacheess: That’s one way to look at it. Or you could say he prevented military intervention in North Korea (a road Clinton was very keen to go down), hasn’t started any foreign wars unlike almost all modern day presidents, and his immigration policies are largely a continuation of Obama’s despite what the media is telling you.

I think many people see them all as corrupt megalomaniacs (I know I do) but they see the brash, doesn’t give a f*ck attitude of Trump, to be somewhat refreshing. Especially after the previous charismatic, articulate, president who ran out of bombs to drop in the Middle East, and bailed out the banks with public money and caused the rampant corporation buy-backs that are soon going to lead to the largest economic bubble pop/stagflation in history.
  • 1 0
 @jayacheess: seriously, f*ck that guy. @hamncheez, Trump, either/or. Some folks just miss the point completely.
  • 2 0
 @ol-sidewinder: you might be right. Maybe the problem is just ultra-capitalism. At least communism kills you fast.
  • 5 4

- Twitter banned the story because it had personal phone numbers and emails visible in the article, which is against their terms of service. They later unbanned sharing of the article (you can find it now via twitter links)

- Read the ENTIRE wiki entry for the "IRS targeting controversy" and then get back to me. Conversely, Trump has literally been using the justice department as his own personal attack dog.

- The US may pay more than its share for NATO, but any analyst will tell you that you've happily done that in the past because the global strategic pay-off for keeping Russia and China in check has been more than worth it. You've thrown that completely out the window.
" If you have old friends, but lately they've been using you, abusive to you, etc, telling them to shape up or ship out is the way to go." This shows a basic lack of understanding of geopolitical strategy and diplomacy.

Now, explain why the US has attacked Canadian trade agreements and arbitrarily added tariffs to products, when even US industry was telling him not to, and that it would hurt their bottom line? Explain why Trump has been heaping praise on the leaders of North Korea, Russia, Turkey, etc, even as they've continued to attack US interests and commit horrible human rights abuses?

- The child separation policies DID NOT start before Trump. Unaccompanied minors were held for up to two weeks under Obama, and this may have also been the case before Obama. Ripping children away from their parents at the border - that started with Trump and Stephen Miller. This is not up for a debate. There are direct quotes from people involved with the policy and its inception in the White House. Read something from outside of the conservative media bubble.

- My partner is American, and her parents and relatives - whom I care a great deal about - still live in the midwest. I care a great deal about the outcome.

Every bit of your talking points point towards you getting 90% of your information from conservative facebook/youtube/right wing websites/foxnews. Those are not legitimate sources of information.
  • 3 3
 @jclnv: "Especially after the previous charismatic, articulate, president who ran out of bombs to drop in the Middle East, and bailed out the banks with public money and caused the rampant corporation buy-backs that are soon going to lead to the largest economic bubble pop/stagflation in history."

It's so tiring see so many people with missing/wrong/incomplete information.

Trump hasn't directly started wars (which is good!), but he's provided support for Saudi Arabia while they brutalize Yemen. He straight up betrayed our Kurdish allies in Turkey and Syria, leading to large scale slaughters, resulting in increased footholds in those regions for the US's geopolitical rivals. He is currently bungling the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, which is looking like it will lead to a complete reversal and erasure of any good done in the region. Basically every life lost there and all the money spent will have been for nothing.

Obama followed advice from the best economists in the country by giving the banks a bailout. I don't know that I agree with him after the fact, but it's hard for me to say that a leader should do anything but follow the best advice from the experts. The result was he turned the country around from one of the worst financial crises in the history of the country. He had economic growth for the rest of his presidency after that point.

Trump, on the other hand, gave a multi-trillion dollar tax cut to the super rich and the largest corporations, AGAINST the advice of top economists, resulting in those same kinds of rampant corporate buy-backs that you accused Obama of.

It's shocking to me how so many people find Trump's 'straight talking' - where he just lies his ass off constantly, and talks bullshit about things he knows nothing about - is refreshing to people. He's a garden variety con man. He's your buddy, bullshit-Dan, who you know is always full of shit, but will continually try to convince you otherwise. Why is everyone so gullible when it comes to that orange doofus?
  • 2 0
 This thread was about Portugal - we're just loud annoying tourists here.
  • 4 2
 @suspended-flesh: dude, every country in the world has grown used to that since air travel became democratised. Plus, everyone loves a freak show and nobody does it like America in 2020. I salute you. Now make it stop.
  • 1 0
 ...The kind you don't take home to mother.... It will stop soon, but what a ride!
  • 3 1
 The political system in the US is a two headed snake, it's the same thing no matter who gets in, you have a one party system, but the illusion of two, don't believe the hype.
  • 3 0
 @Bomadics: 2 cheeks of the same ass, you might say.
  • 2 0
 @jayacheess: I'm anti trump. I don't want to defend him. There are so many justifiable things to criticize him on, like his complete misunderstanding of international trade and tariffs.

However, all these straw man attacks against him in other areas and complete blindness to Obamas administration (and therefore Biden) almost makes me want to vote for trump.

"Two decades of bombing Afghanistan hasn't worked, so we should continue bombing Afghanistan."
"Obama listened to the top Economic advisors" False. They were not the "top economic advisors." I was working on my economics degree in 2008-20011, and many of my professors, along with hundreds of other economists, signed a letter against the Bank bailouts. One of my professors was on the board of economic advisors at the time.

The Trump tax returns were (allegedly) Trumps personal tax returns. Thats contains more sensitive information than any phone number.

The wikipedia article reads much like the Russia collusion article: trying to hard to push a narrative, but ultimately if you remove the narrative and look at the sources, is clear the available evidence supports a different conclusion.

You say I get 90% of my news from Conservative sources- false. I wade through the cesspool of Liberal news sources, subreddits, imgur, and other social media to try and understand the Liberal mindset, and how they can be so incredibly self-deluded and out of touch with reality. I also spend time in Alt-Right White Nationalist swamps to try and understand how they can see something, correctly understand what actually happened, but then conclude the solution always involves racism. I read libertarian blogs, Agorist websites, Hoppean facebook pages to make sure I'm being exposed to other ideas.

Tell me, when was the last time you spent any time listening to someone you disagree with?
  • 1 0

""Obama listened to the top Economic advisors" False. They were not the "top economic advisors." I was working on my economics degree in 2008-20011, and many of my professors, along with hundreds of other economists, signed a letter against the Bank bailouts. One of my professors was on the board of economic advisors at the time."

I'll give you that. There were lots of prominent economists that disagreed with the bailout. But there were also economists that helped him/congress craft the legislation, so who's to say who was right. The economy got stronger and job growth continued. I, personally, wouldn't have bailed out the banks, but it's hard to argue that it was a disastrous decision when it demonstrably wasn't.

"The Trump tax returns were (allegedly) Trumps personal tax returns. Thats contains more sensitive information than any phone number."

The tax returns written about by the NYTimes were not published in full. The main concerning information being phone numbers and email addresses, which are against Twitter's TOS to publish. Stop trying to fight this point. It's ridiculous.

"The wikipedia article reads much like the Russia collusion article: trying to hard to push a narrative, but ultimately if you remove the narrative and look at the sources, is clear the available evidence supports a different conclusion."

I just can't understand how your mind works. You can read the investigative articles quoted in those wiki pages and they'll point to the same conclusion. But you go and interpret it the way you want, I guess.

"You say I get 90% of my news from Conservative sources- false. I wade through the cesspool of Liberal news sources, subreddits, imgur, and other social media to try and understand the Liberal mindset, and how they can be so incredibly self-deluded and out of touch with reality. I also spend time in Alt-Right White Nationalist swamps to try and understand how they can see something, correctly understand what actually happened, but then conclude the solution always involves racism. I read libertarian blogs, Agorist websites, Hoppean facebook pages to make sure I'm being exposed to other ideas."

Ah, libertarianism. I should have known. The favourite ideology of a subset of young, educated, American white males. You can justify fighting taxation, social programs, regulatory systems, etc, without overtly supporting regressive social programs. Never mind issues of systemic racism and other socio economic factors that will always limit economic mobility without some kind of intervention - Or monopolies/duopolies that would exploit their market positions to negate any of the positives of a freemarket system.

But yeah, you're still a conservative with conservative ideas and you intake a lot of conservative media. Shrug. Given your talking points, I'm not surprised.

If you're looking for news, I think it's important to stick to publications with a good track record for journalistic integrity.
  • 2 0
 Absolutely not. You don't fix a problem bringing another problem.
  • 2 0
 Holy calamity scream obscenities
  • 2 0
 Lousa 2020 - Trick or Treat ?...
  • 2 0
 just mention cnn
  • 2 1
 Biden and Trump are fucknig pigs
  • 1 0
 Sounds like some fake news
  • 1 0
 Why do Canadians care so much about American politics eh?
  • 2 3
 Some teams have elected not to send riders anyway, so it's not looking good.
  • 7 0
 Which teams have done this? I haven’t heard that news yet
  • 2 0
 @rcmalinchak: Cube was one... I Saw Aaron Gwin is in Lisbon Already, and YT are hanging in Vigo (north of spain above PT) , so these 2 wilkl be coming... Not sure about the rest...
  • 1 0
  • 1 0
 Send it.
  • 1 1
 they will delete
Below threshold threads are hidden

You must login to Pinkbike.
Don't have an account? Sign up

Join Pinkbike  Login
Copyright © 2000 - 2023. Pinkbike.com. All rights reserved.
dv65 0.052743
Mobile Version of Website