What Will a No Deal Brexit Mean for British Bike Customers?

Dec 22, 2020 at 7:31
by James Smurthwaite  
Photos taken at the PeoplesMarch for a PeoplesVote in London on Saturday 20th October 2018.

Following the news that Rose Bikes will be canceling all UK orders and will no longer ship any orders to the UK, citing Brexit, we decided to dig into what a potential No Deal Brexit will mean for customers buying bikes from Europe.

Is a No Deal Brexit guaranteed?

At this stage, No Deal is not guaranteed. Talks are still ongoing between UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen to try to push a Deal over the line. The situation is evolving rapidly but the main sticking point is around the rights for EU states to fish in UK waters.

The pair have until December 30, when the Transition Period ends, to strike a Deal otherwise the UK will leave the EU with No Deal and will begin trading with the bloc using World Trade Organisation rules.

What does this mean for bike prices?

Brexit was one of the reasons YT Industries built its Mill brick and mortar location in Surrey.

If a No Deal happens, then Global Tariffs will kick in. Britain previously enjoyed free trade with the EU, which meant no tariffs, but if a Deal is not struck then these tariffs of 14% for bikes, 6% for e-bikes and 4% for most parts will take effect immediately. It is almost certain that these prices will be passed directly onto the customer.

YT is one of the brands to already confirm this will happen. It said, "Before Brexit, the total price you paid was the sum of the bike + bike box + shipping + 20% VAT for the UK. YT will still be able to charge the entire fees upfront, but the following two extra charges will occur; import handling costs to the UK, and customs duties on the value of the goods."

Canyon also said: "We’re doing all we can to minimise disruption while we modify our processes to comply with new legislation as a result of Brexit. This includes changes to our pricing format to include any duties applicable to the products ordered."

For non-EU bikes, we previously reported that bikes entering the UK will get 0% tariffs for up to 12 months following a No Deal Brexit, which is down from the 17% duty currently applied. This should make non-EU bikes cheaper for UK consumers and there is no indication this legislation has changed at the time of writing.

What about shipping?


Shipping costs are already increasing on bikes being sent from the EU thanks to a fixed import fee of £85.50 that has been introduced on bikes. Prices are likely to stay high in the event of a No Deal Brexit, that is if you can get a bike shipped at all.

Rose Bikes has already stopped shipping to the UK as reported yesterday, Canyon has currently paused all shipping until 11 January and bike-discount.de simply states, "Please note that shipping to Great Britain and Ireland is currently not possible!" YT has also said, "we will not be shipping any soft goods, small parts, or accessories to the UK for the time being."

We don't expect these pauses on shipping to last forever but until the industry has a clearer picture of what the situation going forward will be, it looks like it's going to be hard to get stuff delivered from Europe without a significant cost.

What next?

Brexit is currently a moving goalpost with talks still ongoing and No Deal not yet a certainty. For now, it looks like brands are looking to cover themselves in case of this worst-case scenario but a Deal seems closer day-by-day and a trade agreement would change the situation again entirely.


334 Comments

  • 306 12
 As an American, it's nice to be reminded that politics is largely an undignified farce in other nations too.
  • 221 66
 That's why it's important to vote! Trump and Brexit were largely responsible because of lower voter turnout - especially in younger demographics. To quote NOFX....."the idiots are taking over". We can stop this trend by voting. Fortunately our brother and sisters to the south got it back on the rails this election.
  • 25 30
flag mungbean (Dec 22, 2020 at 9:37) (Below Threshold)
 @lastminutetech: The US won't be back on the rails. It's about destabilizing a region. The best way to do it is to get a vote split near 50/50. If the vote edges a win towards what disrupts the status quo, even better.
  • 58 17
 Joe picked a Native American woman for the Cabinet to head the Interior Department. I support that.
  • 55 21
 @mungbean: I meant voting wise (turnout and result) they've got 'er back on the rails - looking forward to more progression in the equality department. Looks like the Trump goofs are giving me the down-votes.....which really is an up-vote in my books.
  • 33 5
 @lastminutetech: I am not sure if your neighbor to the south is back on the rails. If we keep letting the far left and far right wag the tail we will be mired down with crappy decisions that only benefits corrupt politicians that could give a crap about anyone but themselves we will always off the rails.
  • 7 1
 The EU has 48.5% anti-dumping tariff on Chinese bikes and 79.3% on Chinese e-bikes. Wow.

www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-china-bicycles-idUSKCN1VJ1MI
  • 93 19
 @Esmond: I dunno man, voting out a sociopathic narcissist is a step in the right direction if you ask me.
  • 8 4
 @lastminutetech: I'd like to see some progress towards cooperation and stability, but the transition right now is proving otherwise. I guess we'll see what happens over the next four years.
  • 16 8
 @lastminutetech: Lesser of two evils still leaves the public with evil.

Unfortunately, corruption will always rule. We just have to work and hope for the least corrupt while understanding that cheating is just a part of the human condition.

By the way, before we dis non voters too much, it should be important to understand WHY they don't vote:

www.npr.org/2020/12/15/945031391/poll-despite-record-turnout-80-million-americans-didnt-vote-heres-why
  • 4 1
 @heissescheisse: looks pretty tasty and vegan so I'll try it for sure. Thanks
  • 3 0
 @heissescheisse: mungbean soup is one of my favourites
  • 10 8
 @JSTootell: The unregistered 29% contain a good number of sociopath narcissists. There is no good reason not to vote (for a 3rd party, at least). Do SOMETHING you lazy fvcks!
  • 14 1
 @JSTootell: 100% this.

Almost 100 million disenfranchised non-voters exist because both parties have thrown them overboard. It's taken over 40 years to become a failed state so I'm not getting my hopes up for any immediate improvements.
  • 14 3
 @ATXZJ: There is really only 1 Party and we aren't invited.
  • 17 70
flag tacklingdummy (Dec 22, 2020 at 10:46) (Below Threshold)
 @JSTootell: Not on the list is election/voter fraud, rigged elections.
  • 19 31
flag Logan760 (Dec 22, 2020 at 11:01) (Below Threshold)
 joe is a rocket scientist,jill is a doctor and hunter is a pharmacologist.
  • 17 0
 @lastminutetech: 72% of registered voters voted in the EU referendum, hardly a low turnout.
  • 2 1
 @BedsideCabinet: how many voted in the Scottish independence ref?
  • 22 1
 @tacklingdummy: Good thing most quality bikes are made in Taiwan. I have nothing against China or its people, but their standards in terms of manufacturing, workers and human rights as well agricultural and fishing policies aren't the most stringent. I've got no issues hopping on my Taiwanese bikes day in day out though.
  • 9 19
flag Logan760 (Dec 22, 2020 at 11:59) (Below Threshold)
 @lastminutetech: Yea trudeau has to go you are right.
  • 12 5
 @Logan760: Ya, that's just what Canada needs. A residential school apologist in power, propped up by anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.
  • 10 17
flag Logan760 (Dec 22, 2020 at 12:44) (Below Threshold)
 @dirktanzarian: Are you talking about the NDP with their wife beating racist member they empower or blackface trudeau and his scandal ridden crew.
  • 7 14
flag robw515 (Dec 22, 2020 at 12:44) (Below Threshold)
 @mungbean: You're an idiot that is essentially spreading propaganda much like the American far left and far right extremists that you are criticizing. Obviously voting out Trump is progress, and while this election and the previous election resulted in some unrest and instability in the most extreme 1%, the other 99% of the American people handled this election and the previous election calmly and reasonably.
  • 11 1
 @suspended-flesh: Right cause race is the best way to hire vs. qualifications.
  • 9 2
 @ATXZJ: The one thing I was really hoping would come out of this cluster F.... was that moderates on both sides might come together and start a 3rd party.
The extremes on both sides will destroy this country.
  • 13 24
flag Logan760 (Dec 22, 2020 at 12:56) (Below Threshold)
 @robw515: You are the idiot here or did you forget the four years of not my president and russian collusion finished of with a failed impeachment. But now you say this was a fair election nothing to see here lol. You are delusional.
  • 13 12
 @lastminutetech: as a fellow canadian we see it like you said, "I dunno man, voting out a sociopathic narcissist is a step in the right direction if you ask me." but don't forget 74 million people still voted for him LOL they have a lot of work to do
  • 4 4
 @BedsideCabinet: that the EU one was a much lower turnout, despite having much more wide reaching consequences, for everyone eligible to vote.
  • 4 0
 @tomhoward379: Yes but it wasn't a low turnout (compaired to general election turnouts). It was 64.6 % for the EC referendum.
  • 3 0
 @tomhoward379: Different kettle of fish really, 8.2% of the UK able to vote and a totally different agenda.
  • 5 3
 @suspended-flesh: The proper ane respectful term is actually First Nations” or “Indigenious” Smile
  • 3 1
 @prmtb04: You are correct - I'm not perfect.
  • 5 2
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: too late. The oligarchs have already done it. I also don't believe there is any real "left" in this country. Bernie would be considered a moderate by european standards.
  • 4 1
 @suspended-flesh:

" It's a big club and you ain't in it"

I had that carlin quote as a yard sign during the last election. The looks were worth the $40.00 I paid for it.
  • 7 1
 @lastminutetech: actually, more (about 5 million) people voted in the 2016 presidential election than in any election before. Somehow Trump got 63 million people to vote for him. But wait, there’s more. In 2020 somehow he got 75 million people to vote in his favor. That’s insane! That’s about 5 million more than Obama got in 2012. Voter turnout is not our problem...
  • 6 3
 @lastminutetech: THis is factually incorrect and I'm sure I'll be downvoted to no end. Trump got almost 10 million more votes than Barack did in 2012. He's hated by so many, and disliked by even more.

Yet R's took away many seats. Your narrative isn't correct.
  • 3 0
 @lastminutetech: all people ever care about is who can rule over them with the most charismatic and relatable ideology that speaks to such an exoteric narrative, that it results in large amounts of people who have a "common"sense (common ideological perception)they will eat it up like it's candy. "Their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble, people are only as good as the world allows them to be."
  • 3 1
 @suspended-flesh: Nobody is, but it’s always a good reminder to use the proper names for specific people
  • 11 10
 "Voter turnout is the problem" LOL wow people are naive. What's the point of voting when the choice is a giant douche or a turd sandwich. you think voting for the other side of the same coin will make a difference. You think Biden will save the states LOL. Look at every Democratic run city on the west coast....going to shit. And you think a Dem in the white house will solve all the problems. Just wait till the entire country starts to look like Cali or Seattle or Portland or NYC or Chicago or Baltimore, jesus every Dem run city is a hell hole.
  • 13 8
 @StanMarsh: If rather live in just about any Democrat city on the west coat than live in the hillbilly south where people won't acknowledge basic science and think Trump is guided by God. It's not as bad as they make it seem on Fox News.
  • 7 12
flag StanMarsh (Dec 22, 2020 at 19:31) (Below Threshold)
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Fight for the soul of seattle on youtube paints a different picture. or any video of cali. or any crime stats from chicago/baltimore. I never said hillbilly south was ideal but NC looks beautiful. enjoy your socialist utopia, I hope Biden doesnt force it on the entire country
  • 9 10
 @StanMarsh: Yeah, I sorta get that your mind has been manipulated by youtube videos. Now enlighten us all about the evils of the deep state, how Hugo Chavez stole the election from Trump, and how climate change isn't happening.
  • 6 11
flag StanMarsh (Dec 22, 2020 at 19:43) (Below Threshold)
 @DoubleCrownAddict: yeah change the subject and have no rebuttal to the points made of the absolute mess the cities I mentioned are in. No wonder americans have the reputation they do. So according to you no homeless in seattle/ cali? no junkies shitting on the streets? ok got it, again enjoy your utopia Smile
  • 2 1
 @lastminutetech: I wish that was the case, but I think you’re mistaken. I hope I eat my words, but Inthink we’re in for one step forward - two steps backward.
  • 2 3
 @pistol2ne:it is accurate. Percentage of republicans who vote has always outnumbered the percentage democrats who make it to the polls. The blues need to vote more and they can be apathetic, the reds live for that stuff.
  • 2 2
 @kungfupanda: voter turnout (especially for Democrats) is a massive problem. About 60% of eligible voters in the US actually voted in 2020.
  • 6 10
flag YoKev (Dec 22, 2020 at 21:01) (Below Threshold)
 @lastminutetech:
Uh, the 'sociopathic narcissist' won. Or, actually the Chinese won the election.
  • 3 4
 @YoKev: you mean the 2016 election, right?
  • 2 0
 @lastminutetech: you are right. But is still feels f*cked.
  • 12 6
 @JSTootell: It is becoming increasingly clear that Republicans are much, much more corrupt than Democrats.

rantt.com/gop-admins-had-38-times-more-criminal-convictions-than-democrats-1961-2016

On top of that you've got Trump pardoning former Republicans criminals just today. Republicans President pardoning corrupt Republicans before they even go to jail, is that what Trump meant by draining the swamp? The corruption swamp in DC is owned by Republicans, that's the one thing Trump has proven. He's the swamp master by pardoning these criminals.

www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/531379-trump-pardons-individuals-charged-in-russia-probe-ex-gop-lawmakers%3famp
  • 4 4
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: In this case, yes, if only because it was 'their' land and their 'interior' before the genocidal murderers driven by Manifest Destiny stole it in the name of a false 'god'. In her case, she is qualified as well. Paleface's time of total rule is over.
  • 2 3
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: Any 3rd party needs 5% of the vote in a presidential election to qualify for federal funding. That's why I voted for Howie Hawkins. I had the luxury of doing so because in CA my mainstream vote actually doesn't 'count' It's a Dem vote regardless.
  • 3 3
 @Logan760: If Trump won, would it have been 'fair' then?
  • 3 3
 @ATXZJ: Nice I was thinking of another Carlin quote when I read a comment above about how 74m ppl still voted for Trump - something along the lines of 'The average American isn't very smart and 50% of them are less smart than that' I butchered it but the point is good....
  • 4 3
 @StanMarsh: You got some issues Stan, I think you need some counseling
To help your ass from bouncing off the walls when you get down some
  • 3 5
 @suspended-flesh: Wow racist much.
  • 3 2
 @BedsideCabinet: correct me if I am wrong but all the Brits living abroad weren't allowed to vote which is quite ridiculous and pretty high in number. Cutting out the people of your nation that actually understand EU and are not biggots that never left their village is a good way to turn the elections the way you want don't you think ? That and blatantly lying to people to get them to vote the way you want (health system budget increase with Brexit savings come to mind). Either way people with a brain should have protested hard to get this cancelled but they let the brainless win so you get what you deserve in the end.
  • 2 1
 @Balgaroth: It depends on the status of the British person living abroad. Most likely if they still are British then they still have the right to vote in their country of citizenship, the UK, as long as they have been previously registered to vote when they lived in there. I am a French resident, but still hold a British passport. I can't vote here, but I definitely voted for Brexit, to remain of course. Some people might not have been setup properly in Europe to be able to vote back in the UK. That was their own fault, and now a big problem for us all.
  • 1 2
 @mungbean: Jehovah's witness?
  • 2 1
 @Chainmark: fair enough, I've been told by some Brits I saw in the mountains that it wasn't their fault since they weren't allowed to vote if not being in living in UK. So basically wankers.
  • 8 1
 It is no wonder our society is completely f#cked when people feel superior just because they voted for a particular politician and now everyone else is a complete moron for not voting the same way. Maybe we need to have a patch while riding which shows who we supported politically. That way people can be equally douche in person as they are on the Internet.
  • 4 0
 @digitalsoul: Being a mouthy political douche on an isolated trail. What could go wrong?
  • 3 0
 @lastminutetech: Lol no.

This last election proved that narrative wrong. Most votes ever for a republican president that many people didn't vote for and voted R down ballot.

That says a lot but you keep on keeping on and disregard numbers. Oh, and white suburbanites won it for trump, not inner-city minorities. So identity politics is dying too, thank GOD.
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: I voted 3rd party in 2016 and spent four years hearing every one of my (majority D) friends bitch to me about throwing away my vote. Plus countless others on the interwebs say the same thing. Then all the people on the "f*ck your feelings" side. So you end up being a paria for it. Doesn't bother me, but it kept a lot of people I know quiet about who they voted for, or wanted to vote for.

That also assumes there is a third party you support.

And we can just circle back to how people don't think their vote matters because they really only have two choices: D or R.
  • 6 1
 @JSTootell: As a fellow Californian, we are actually 'throwing away' our vote by using it for the Dem candidate. I am all for getting McDonald Trump out, but as a solid Blue state, there was no chance of our electoral vote going the other way. Therefore, I choose to voice my discontent with this fake 2 party system by voting 3rd party (in this case the lovable but dysfunctional Green Party) . To me, that vote counts more that supporting a foregone conclusion like the sheep who believe there is any real choice here in this 'Democracy'. This is Coke vs Pepsi, and Sprite (Bernie or anyone else) is not allowed on the table. Look at Trump - he is a wannabe oligarch who only posed as president to enrich himself and his family.
  • 3 1
 @Logan760: No, not too much actually. I'm a Paleface but I try not to let my forked tongue rule.
  • 2 6
flag Logan760 (Dec 23, 2020 at 10:54) (Below Threshold)
 @suspended-flesh: You sound like a racist moron whatever you are.
  • 3 4
 @Balgaroth: The brainless lost accept it or continue crying bigot.
  • 6 1
 @Logan760: Racist, how? Moron?, yes.
  • 6 0
 @Balgaroth, @Chainmark: The UK disqualified those of us living in Europe. I live in Belgium and still have the British nationality/passport. But because I’ve been away for more than 15 years I wasn’t allowed to vote in the Brexit. I also can’t vote in national elections in either UK or Belgium. So it’s not because I - or any of us - wasn’t set up properly. Before you start blaming us and saying it was our own fault, check the facts.
  • 2 4
 @suspended-flesh: If crazy joe won,would it have been 'fair' then?
  • 1 2
 @suspended-flesh: Won't argue with you there.
  • 1 2
 @suspended-flesh: Won't argue with you there.
  • 4 1
 @Logan760: Democrazy isn't Fair, but ol Sleepy won it.
  • 1 3
 @suspended-flesh: Not many would agree with you.
  • 2 3
 @Logan760: Wouldn't agree with what?
  • 6 2
 @lastminutetech: @lastminutetech: Only on a Canadian website, regarding British politics, can someone turn the comments section into an American pissing match over their fraudulent election.
  • 4 3
 @Logan760: I sure have no problem with this, used to like Brits but since they betrayed us now all I can is hope they get the worst deal possible so they can enjoy being lonely bigots on the wet piece of rock they call home. Sure EU needs major improvements but without it and against massive nations like China, US, Russia and soon India what weight would we have as independent nations ? The time of the powerfull British Empire is way past same as the French colonial Empire, once you realize this, and if you don't want to be someone's bitch you better league with your friendly neighbors rather than spit on their face. Time will tell it seems.
  • 3 3
 @Balgaroth: Another freedom hating communist bigot wishing pain on others. This is the reason they are leaving bigots like you behind because they dare to have opinions on how their own country is run. You are now my bitch.
  • 3 2
 @Logan760: sure, being a single little country with no distinctive strength and outside of any union/federation really sound like the best way to stand strong against steamrollers countries. It's not hate when it is just facts. And I sure love my nation as much if not more than most of the biggots that voted for Brexit but common sense alone should easily allow people to understand that doing a few concessions (which UK never did anyway) to our close cousins with whom we share centuries of history, culture and values is better than being owned by Americans, Russian or Chinese. And yes EU needs a lot of improvements to have an international stance but it is the only way we will keep our culture, values and history in the end.
  • 3 4
 @Balgaroth: Uh so you are saying a smaller country could not be a world leader ? Do you have no idea of history at all? UK was one of the last hold outs against the nazis in Europe as most others surrendered or do you not know this either? It was a mixture of other nations that defeated them not one big union or do you not know that either? Bigots like yourself really are just silly people with no idea of the truth or history. I find it funny how Brussels the leader of the EU has the most deaths of covid per capita in the world but they only rag on the USA and the UK daily. But you think Brussels has all the answers when in fact they have the worst response world wide look it up or remain uninformed like the rest of the sheep.
  • 3 1
 @Logan760: the EU head office is based in Brussels. It is not led by the capital city of Belgium. The current leader is German, the previous one was from luxembourg.

Britain was a hold out because of geography, and the timing of when other countries, collectively known as ‘Allies’ joined together to defeat one smaller (but aggressively expanding) nation.

Small nations cannot become world leaders alone, due to resources already being allocated, and the world being divided up. The smaller nations did it before by stealing other, less developed, nations resources. We now have treaties/international law in place to stop this from happening again.

Back under your bridge.
  • 1 3
 @tomhoward379: Brussels hosts the official seats of the European Commission, Council of the European Union, and European Council, as well as a seat of the European Parliament. Britain never surrendered even while being bombed,starved and v2 missile attacks so being an island as the reason is moot. Small nations can become world leaders it doesn't mean you have to attack and steal resources like you naively suggest. Innovation is the main driving force of the economy so just stop with the tired old lies. Yea just go ahead and trust Belgium with their policies even though they handled the virus the worst in the world with the most deaths per capita. International laws have been broken many times silly boy and if you google it Germany comes up as the main culprit. You really know nothing good bye.
  • 4 1
 @Logan760: they have to be based/hosted somewhere, no? May as well be all in the same place, if only for convenience. The location of the organisation makes no difference to the leadership. Plus all member states have a veto on anything the EU collectively comes up with (including Britain, before we left).

Britain never surrendered as there was no land invasion on mainland Britain, as happened in mainland Europe, as Germany didn’t build up a strong enough naval force to take all the troops and tanks required for britzkrieg before the bigger nations stepped in. Because they were breaking international law. We were paying the US back for everything they loaned us during the war until 2015.

How many small nations are global superpowers, on their own, currently?

What is going on in Belgium as regards the national governments response to COVID has nothing to do with EU policy.

But you keep living in your paranoid fantasy world, I’m sure it’s lovely. Give my regards to the lizards.
  • 5 1
 @Logan760:

You are wrong on so many levels
  • 5 1
 @Balgaroth: It’s the UK tabloid press and the Conservative government poisoning people about the EU over decades, with self interest and personal agendas. Most of the readers of these papers can’t think for themselves and believe all the drivel that is printed. The country is now divided in half, with higher proportion of younger generations appreciating EU and voting to remain. I for one am so ashamed at the way our government and Farage behave towards our European friends.
  • 1 3
 @kipvr: Great insight......
  • 1 3
 @kipvr: Waaahhh lol
  • 1 3
 @tomhoward379: Okay flat earth guy will do.
  • 70 0
 Orange bikes and marmite only from now on!
  • 23 6
 Orange bikes fine, but death before Marmite!
  • 20 0
 And hardtails, lots of hardtails
  • 2 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: What about Marmalade???
  • 3 0
 Interestingly, a shop nearby just picked up Orange bikes, I am kind of intrigued, even though the reviews are rather mixed.
  • 4 0
 @me2menow: which ironically tend to be the Oranges made in Taiwan
  • 4 0
 @unrooted: Only if it's Limey.
  • 4 0
 And pretty anodized Hope bike parts!
  • 2 0
 It’s not worth thinking about :/
  • 1 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: I see what you did there Big Grin
  • 69 4
 Brace for a lot if people who know not a lot about a lot......
  • 7 1
 Pick for Britain! Armchair Farmers
  • 8 0
 Sir I know things about stuff
  • 65 20
 Can ebike tariffs go to 100% please?
  • 15 0
 if so how does this effect you in canada?
  • 8 0
 How tf does Ebike get less Tariff than a pedal bike? That is some backwards social engineering if I ever saw it.
  • 53 14
 Means that the Russian internet trolls completed their mission. Congratulations Britain, you played yourself.
  • 12 2
 Putin wins again by manipulating the "conservatives"
  • 6 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: agreed. He has weakened most of the once powerful “western” governments.
  • 29 2
 I'll go with the optimism for a minute:
It wasn't that long ago that Plague Island had a decent industrial base in manufacturing. It's still there in a shadow of its former self.
I'm hoping this f*cking shitshow will actually reignite the bike manufacturing industry in this country, I'm also hoping we'll still have toilet roll in February. That said it didn't really pan out for the UK automotive industry and that was eons before the tory party civil war broke out, if I have to ride the bicycle equivalent of the Morris Ital, manufactured by Dyson, in Malaysia, I will not be whistling Rule Britannia.
  • 5 0
 At least most toilet roll is manufactured locally, due to large shipping cost to sale value ratio, making shipping it from abroad totally pointless. Knowing this at the beginning of the loo roll scare was pretty cringe inducing...
  • 9 1
 There’s next to no raw materials produced here so.... even British steel has to go overseas to be processed and back. What a bloody mess we are in currently.
  • 5 0
 I respect optimism, however I swing to the other end of the scale.

UK manufacture currently costs more, simple. Look at stanton for example, you pay a premium for a UK made frame. Orange are similar, many of their frames are made abroad, only the 'hardcore originals' remain UK manufactured.
Even if demand for UK made frames rises significantly I can't see the prices coming down to current imported prices. Of course if importing becomes more expensive then UK made may suddenly look more appealing, but either way its only going to end up being net more expensive.

Beyond that I wonder what the costs of components will be, at the end of the day on a full sus mountain bike the most money is in the bits you hang off it. There is of course some (and increasing) UK made components, but again not in the volumes to support the UK bike industry, the likes of hope are still quite niche in the grand scheme of things - and again, not cheap.

I think in general the cost of wages, manufacture and that pesky health and safety (bloody EU forcing these laws on us) leaves UK manufacture as premium relatively low volume.

I do enjoy driving my Jag though....
  • 3 0
 Companies all over the world are reviewing their supply chains and manufacturing base in the face of covid. Some I work with have found that the cost of contracting work locally or even bringing it in house is far less than previously thought. There is a significant amount of knowledge and technical/manufacturing capability in the UK that surpass many nations.

Whether the bike industry utilises that capability, is another question entirely.
  • 2 0
 @eddieantifreeze: Wouldn't you rather spend a bit more to support UK companies, rather than spending your money abroad? And Re. Stanton, their frames are by no means at premium prices. FS frame with shock is £1,850, you pay more than that for a Nukeproof Reactor frame made in Taiwan.
  • 3 0
 @eddieantifreeze: I'd agree, we might see a resurgence of industry on a small scale but it won't be cheap, it's also a fair point we will have to import most of the bits we bolt on to frames we build here.
I've recently bought a Sonder bike, Alpkit are a UK company but I think the frames are stitched together in Taiwan, the bikes are competitively priced at the moment, lets hope that sort of model can continue, I'm fairly ignorant of how a bike company who trades with say Taiwan will be affected with changes, I mean once we've de-lorried Kent.
It's an interesting point about Health and Safety which the EU has supposedly imposed on the UK, I mean we were in an agreement, so we agreed to it, or at least compromised on it at the time.
I do not work in manufacturing but I come from Dundee, known for the jute mills in the last century. My grandparents and their friends commonly had serious industrial injuries; missing fingers, hands, feet etc. Proper nasty shit, I'm not saying that's where we're heading by repealing EU H&S guidelines but I wonder how many front line industrial workers are actually dead against the health and safety measure we currently have, compared to managers who are frustrated by increasing costs and decreasing productivity.

Another way to look at it might be how company investors expect returns, the supposition that increasing annual dividends is the sign of a healthy company is one measure, but it is only one fairly limited measure. I'm not proposing nationalising Raleigh btw Big Grin
We can't compete with emerging markets because we are not only paying higher wages and respecting the safety of our workers, but we are also expected to compete on financial growth each year. So the investment goes to the firms with the higher returns.
We either sacrifice workplace safety and (or) wages or returns to compete, probably even more so now we've Taken Back Control.
I suspect that is why we'll continue to see more mainstream media mockery of 'Elf and Safety' [Richard Littlejohn, Daily Mail, The past decade] than we will see media pressure for the middle classes to invest their pensions in UK industry.
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 @WillCoates: Made in UK, from paper pulp made in EU & outside EU. (according to a Reuters article March 2020)
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 @Steventux: OHS standards won't be relaxed noticeably. The pressure for continuing development of OHS comes from within companies themselves (corporate social responsibility, and minimizing future liabilities) as well as industry bodies and unions etc. The OHS genie is out of the bottle, so to speak.
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 @Davec85: Whether or not something is manufactured in the UK isn't my go to rationalising for buying a product. I look for value for money - I want a good deal.

That being said I own a Bird Aeris AM9 - is that classed as doing my bit for good ol Blighty?
  • 1 0
 Speaking of pandemic toilet roll, I'm currently testing a method--both for hygiene and flavor--which transforms a standard Western toilet into a squat toilet. All that's required is a soap dish placed within reach of toilet and an extra flush, depending on how crappy one's diet is. Some wash up afterwards anyway. According to 'Scientific American,' if the U.S. switched to bidets [non-roll adaptation in this case], 15 million trees could be saved every year; so let's hope it catches on with the Yanks. Watkins could expand its line of 1.5kg loaves to include PaperSavers emblazoned with popular symbols such as the Saxon fylfot, in order to encourage regional pride.
  • 40 13
 I still haven't found anyone honest enough to admit that they voted for this pish to actually happen, but when I do.............
  • 26 3
 Any one saying 'oh well we just have to get over an get on with it'
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flag barbarosza (Dec 22, 2020 at 9:13) (Below Threshold)
 That’s it ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha they so wanted out out out well now you re almost out and complaining.Assume it shut up and Carry ON!
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 @e-p I know people who voted for it who have gradually got quieter about it
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 @barbarosza: 52% voted to leave, a ridiculous act of self harm, versus 48% who voted to remain.

As the reality of the situation has become clear support has dropped dramatically.
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 @Lee-Gee: from the start it always seemed to me like one of those bigly consequential decisions that should have taken like 60 percent of the vote to pass. A simple majority just seems to small a margin for such a major decision. I mean theoretically in a year if 51 percent want to rejoin could that happen? Maybe the UK can join and quite every couple years.
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 @Lee-Gee: but look at all this amazing soverignty we will soon have
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flag conoat (Dec 22, 2020 at 10:00) (Below Threshold)
 what's the difference? I mean, leave the EU now or ride it into the abyss like the titanic....your choice. The EU is a failed idea and staying only prolongs the agony for all parties.
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 @iantmcg: We have some concessions which we would lose if we rejoined and would have to use the Euro. It would still be far better than the current mess.

I think rejoining will happen but who knows when.
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 @Lee-Gee: There was a poll that busted your opinion recently as people would still vote for leaving the EU.
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 @Lee-Gee: I know.Still absurd
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 @barbarosza: Why is freedom absurd ?
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 @gurnzilla: With that soverignity you can reclaim Canada, that means lowfare domestic flights with Ryanair so you would be able to travel to Whistler almost for free... Brexiters were so ahead!
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 @Logan760: the sort of freedom that leaves you less free to move around is pretty absurd
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 @Logan760: There was also a survey where two thirds of people surveyed said they would now vote to remain. In 2016 the polls said remain would win. Polls aren't reliable.
  • 7 1
 well it was one of yas disgusting
  • 6 0
 @winko: Ryanair is Irish???? so maybe not low airfairs
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 In Croatia we have a saying: Poslje jebanja nema kajanja, rough translation:

No regrets after fu****g!
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 @Logan760: What freedom? You mean the freedom you already had and exercised by having a vote on having the freedom to leave to begin with? Good one.
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flag BMXrad (Dec 22, 2020 at 13:56) (Below Threshold)
 Vote and proud what you gonna do sucker hahahaha
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 @Lemmingie: That is a pretty simplistic thought on the meaning of freedom but okay if that's all you got go with it.
  • 8 0
 My MIL voted leave because she "never wanted the Channel Tunnel in the first place".

I shit you not.

I don't see her much these days.
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 @elliott-20: I can believe it. My cousin voted leave because she hated David Cameron. That was her reason enough to leave because it would show him a lesson.
I don't see her much either.
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 @Logan760: the only freedom that will be gained by Brexit is freedom for the Tories to continue to f*ck over the lower classes in favour of the wealthy few.

Look at how they are trying to criminalise trespass for example, if you think relations between MTBers and the general public are tetchy now, just wait until they can call the coppers on you.
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 @Logan760: It would be great to cite this re-confirming poll this with a source or link.
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 @iantmcg: I always thought it should never have gone to a vote in the first place.

I consider myself of at least a resonable level of intelligence and i couldn't get my head around the complexities and consequences of what staying or leaving would mean (not that they were ever highlighted or explained at the time - mainly just scaremongering about stuff that wasn't even part of the vote). The average person (and i include myself) does not understand the complexities of international economic trade agreements so why on earth have them vote on it.

Add into that the misinformation from politicians, parties and business people that have their own self-rewarding agendas and it was always going to be a farce.

I think a clip from local news summed up the absurdity quite well. They interviewed two older gentlemen in the street, one Remain and one leave:

Old Guy 1: People voting to leave the EU is like turkeys voting for christmas"
Old guy 2: "Oh, so you're calling me a turkey?"
Old Guy 1: "No, i'm not calling you a turkey, i'm just saying that-"
Old Guy 2 "You just said that i'm a turkey. That's what you just said"
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 @DidNotSendIt: That most people (politicians included) do not understand the complexities of international trade is part of why the original referendum question was - to put it mildly - ill-advised. It was promised as all things to all people meaning that there was never any one coherent view of exactly what Brexit would entail; so much so that various senior government politicians were making statements in support of Brexit that were incompatible with one another. The irony of all of this of course is that the single biggest voting block was to remain, and then lots of smaller "leave" voting blocks where some people wanted X, some wanted Y but not X, some wanted X & Y, etc.

There still is no coherent view on what Brexit is meant to be; five years later and less than a week to go before facing that ever-looming WTO cliff-edge.
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 @DidNotSendIt: Exactly what that ex-city-investment-banker-south-london-public-school-boy-man-of-the-people Nige was talking about: Typical Turkeyist Liberal London Elite.
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 @Steventux: there aren't enough eggs in the world for that slimy c*nt
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 @Steventux: Try google
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 @johnnyboy11000:You sound angry, are your little legs kicking up a dust storm johnnyboy lol.
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 @Logan760: Lol I tell you what I'll just invent some facts instead.
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 @elliott-20: She's right, that's how the French plan to flood Britain.
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 @Steventux:Haha kid can't google lol.
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 @Steventux: He's too busy crying about how his vote got stolen to reply.
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 @commental: You sound cranky like you need a nap like most children your age.
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 Please correct me if I'm wrong (genuinely), but most bikes I immediately think of don't come from the EU. Trek, Specialized, Giant, Yeti, Santa Cruz, don't these all come from the USA? And in the UK we have a growing bike and parts portfolio (Orange bikes, Bird, Vitus, Nukeproof, Deviate, Stanton, Hope, Superstar etc), the only bikes I can think of that come from the EU are YT, Canyon and Radon. I'm not feeling too concerned...yet!
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 Depends on the warehouse location. Only because the HQ is in the USA doesn't mean the bike is shipped from there. I guess most parts come from Asia and get assembled in a warehouse somerwhere in the EU. From there they are shipped to the UK.
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 Most of the major brans shiptheir stuff from the Netherlands
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 Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that at least one of Trek's EU warehouses is in Denmark, however in North America they have 3 or 4 so there are likely others.
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 I thought they ALL came from Taiwan. . .
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 Yeah most big bike brands EU headquarters/warehouses/tax base is in the Benelux region so the bike may be international but it will still be getting "imported" from the EU unless it is a large enough brand they can justify shipping and warehousing entire containers of bikes in the UK to avoid the tariffs. Which may happen in the long run but certainly not while Brexit is still the mess that it is.
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 I wonder if the English-language bike industry's image isn't inadvertently promoting ideas that diminish Asia's contribution to cycling. I know every major brand has media showing some dude at a CAD workstation 'designing' the bikes (and he shreds, too!), but we don't see the industrial part. The factory can only make what it can make, and locals presumably are working on their own capacity, flexibility, innovation, which they market to the bike companies, right? Aren't there more engineers managing the production on site than sitting in sweet offices in Morgan Hill CA or wherever? Aren't the bikes 3/4 assembled in Taiwan (or China for Santa Cruz, or Indonesia for Polygon/Marin) by the factory, or contracted out to another company in the neighborhood of the factory, and boxed there?
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 Pretty sure Santa Cruz are distributed from Poland in Europe
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 @Snfoilhat: For North America I was under the impression that most bikes are assembled closer to home. Like assembly plants in US or Canada. More duty on assembled bikes than parts for assembly and cheaper shipping the smaller parts in the thousands together than in built up individual bikes. Same as the auto industry.

I do think brands are leaving a big part of the story out with the manufacturing and I think they do it because it is not glamorous and they would rather just keep it quiet. I don't think it is a conspiracy to treat people and workers bad but I do think they would rather not think about it and they would rather us to the same.
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 @prevail: warehouse... you mean the DC?
If you are with Amazon services that's not very difficult to change.

Amazon being probably the biggest DC provider out there and they do a good job.

Imagine if Amazon did haulage, transportation etc too.
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 Giant comes from Taiwan and has a strong Dutch connection, no USA. Also: Orbea, Commencal and some more!
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 @makkelijk: where something is manufactured doesnt necessarily tell you where it or parts from it are purchased from. It just tells you the manufacturing location.
The purchasing company's department/branch might even purchase from the head office or other office of a company, both in different locations than where you might think, especially when it's for significant sums of money.
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 as a steel hardtail nerd from the EU, wht about the other direction? how much will stanton, cotic and pipedream bikes cost extra on the continent?
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 I think you are quite safe in the knowledge that in the time it takes to order and receive your Stanton, a trade deal will have been reached!!
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 @ilovedust: Most of those are made in taiwan, not the UK
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 The collapse of the £ will make UK brands cheap for everyone, apart from those that live here...
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 @Joebohobo: they would need to be shipped direct to eu from Taiwan to avoid tariffs.
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 @Joebohobo: Yeah, most of the higher end bikes PBers buy are made in Taiwan. Cheap bikes made in China.
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 well, stanton is going to pull all production in-house. btw it doesn't matter where the frames are built - but from where they are sold. also, i'm not only talking bikes and frames, but hope components might be hard to get hold of on the main land (they are already).
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 @tacklingdummy: Apologies, I might have been confused. I thought the post was referring to Stanton, cotic & pipedream being made in the UK, so I was just saying that most of those are actually made in Asia. Think I missed the point, my bad!!
  • 13 2
 Can’t believe I’ve got to get a slightly cheaper Santa Cruz and can’t get my hands on a Rose bike.... I’m absolutely gutted
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 Only problem is, the eu bikes price increase will be passed on to the consumer, but price decrease from the usa won’t be. Bike prices never go down, especially when there is record breaking demand.
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 Your collapsing currency will mean that SC is going up in price.
  • 15 5
 Less tariffs on e-bikes than on bicycles. So now you brits will see even more of these electric motorbikes on your trails, have fun!
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flag deli-hustler (Dec 22, 2020 at 9:28) (Below Threshold)
 Plenty of ebikes on the trails already, they are the future after all.
  • 6 1
 I wonder if there is a lower limit on the motor power. Otherwise you could add a 1W toy electric motor and claim any bike as an ebike.
  • 11 2
 the extra use and uptake of them has tore my local trails to shreds, no issue with people ridng them but alot of new owners seem to lack any trail etiquette, maybe a portion of money made from E-bikes should go back to trail builders to help fund them, just want to see everyone able to ride good trails.
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 yes most definetly as in the new year we can also claim back 30 percent of the cost of a e bike from government . there introducing schene similair to purchasing a electric car . this will make the number of ebike sales explode ! however the lack of actual bikes available will most likley stem that explosion until 2022 IMHO
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 @Owenjs: Yeah, the off piste stuff at Cannock is mangled, especially on the flat pedally bits where people are in turbo mode smashing through it.
  • 13 2
 let me pick up my popcorn for comments
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 Turkey in the house! I want to retire in Istanbul. I was there as a kid and loved that city. The coast is also amazing. I also recommend looking into the Turkish/Swedish band #Hyperdontia for some crushing Death metal. Pet all the Kedis for me...
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 @suspended-flesh: I will pet them for you when i go to istanbul Smile it's very messy to live in turkey, economy having its last breathes, a lot of bad people started to show up.. merica is better
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 @suspended-flesh: what about the köpekler!!! Istanbul is a great city, although as @Noeserd says, it’s certainly not without its own significant troubles either at the moment (not much mountain biking either! ☺️). On a national scale, Turkey currently has a rapidly sinking economy, a hugely weakened currency and massive levels of unemployment to contend with. In the long run, COVID may well prove to be the straw that broke the camels back, although I sincerely hope not for the sake of the millions of people that call Turkey home.
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 @arna86: It's really bad right now, markets started to put alarm locks on sunflower oils,chocolates, tooth pastes etc... I started to worry and looking a way out which is sad because i love my country
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 @Noeserd: Sorry to hear that. I hope it gets better before for are forced to leave! A long time ago, I spent days running through the Grand Bazaar alone and unsupervised and never had a problem. I was 10.
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 @suspended-flesh: last 6-7 years things started going to a bad way, pandemic made everything worse. I don't even watch news anymore, bad news(nearly all of them) takes my energy away
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 @Noeserd: yeah - it’s real shame. I’ve noticed Migros putting sticky security tags onto toiletries like mouthwash, toothpaste and shower gel lately. I checked some of the same packs I bought in bulk a few months back and they didn’t have tags them ☹️
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 Countries are obliged to treat equally any other countries that they do not have a trade deal with. So if it's a no-deal situation then they will be collecting either zero or full tariffs from both EU and non-EU countries.

If bikes are imported directly into the UK from the far east then the prices should be about the same.

The trade deal is only relevant to goods that are made or mostly assembled in the UK/EU, so regardless of a deal happening, tariffs will be due on any non-EU goods crossing the border.
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 This is how much fun I have at work
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 Tariffs are only the easy part of all of this; they're tangible to joe-soap because we all know someone who ordered something from "where-ever" and gotten slapped for import taxes on delivery. The real killer is the Non-Trade Barrier (aka NTB); these are exactly what they sound like; barriers to trade. Those barriers range in scale from irritations to serious impediments to outright 100% barriers and they cover services as well as goods.
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 @Lemmingie: *non-tariff barriers.
  • 8 0
 Forget the bikes and think about the warranty / spares / servicing of existing European bikes, this’d gonna hit a lot of people quite hard
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 Not to mention the vast majority of brits who own German cars
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 Guessing bike shops will be hit hardest
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 At least warranty should work easily for a product that's already imported. If i have something similar between Switzerland and Germany i don't have any custom troubles. It's marked as 'Warenrücksendung' on the customs docs. I'm not 100% sure, but i think that should be common sense across the globe at least in western countries.
And for a service you should only have to be charged for the service costs.
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 @fussylou: Bingo! due to the way they buy it is likely that this will all turn into a Shimano+CRC to Canada kind of thing where I could buy brakes from CRC for less than I could direct from Shimano Canada. They did eventually put a stop to it but not before a huge number of lost sales.
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 @Mettwurst82: Switzerland is an EFTA member so you don't get much in the way of customs issues with the EU. There is also no "common sense" where global trade is concerned; either "it" is covered by an FTA or it's not and you get charged mercilessly (unless you are lucky enough to have your package fly under the radar).
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 @nordland071285:

Imagine going from a beemer to a jag oooooh
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 @Compositepro: the jaguar Landrover group, owned by Tata you mean?
And I should say, Im not a German car driver.. I was just pointing it out
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 @nordland071285: I know who they’re owned by they paid the wages once
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 Whilst I cant claim specific knowledge of this situation, warranty parts are usually exempt from excise in many parts of the world.
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 @Afterschoolsports: Exempt maybe, but you may find yourself having to jump through some bureaucratic hoops proving prior ownership, or the nature of the warranty work which may have included new parts or services that otherwise are considered ripe for more tax.
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 “For non-EU bikes, we previously reported that bikes entering the UK will get 0% tariffs for up to 12 months following a No Deal Brexit, which is down from the 17% duty currently applied.”

Looks like the price of that new Santa Cruz may actually go down! At least for a while.
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 Brexit is the nail in the coffin for England and the last bastion of hope for Scottish Independence.
I feel bad that so many English people voted to remain and are being dragged out of the European Union by racist pensioners.

With that said England seem to vote for the Conservatives every year so I don’t have that much sympathy.

I’m sure once Scotland is independent and a member of the E.U. again we will accept immigration from south of the border.
  • 4 0
 Looks like I'll be buying my next bike in Canada when I visit my folks. One of the few good points of my parents moving to BC all those years ago Smile

And before you start wondering why tf I stayed in Scotland when my parents and two younger brothers moved to BC. I am married, wife didn't want to go and tbh when they moved all those years ago I wasn't into mtb. Had I been, I may have left the then girlfriend behind lol.
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 Lived in both Scotland (home) and BC (Revelstoke) and taking everything into consideration, for me, Scotland is better by quite a bit. :o)
  • 3 0
 Let's be honest in that it's all a bit crap at the moment...

I had a burglary where some scrotes nicked my bikes and the kids bikes. We were looking to replace the kids bikes on the sly, hide the burglary from them and stop them getting upset / distressed, only the bikes were Orbea and they have ceased shipping to the Uk pending all this mess being sorted out. On top of that the world has gone bike mad, and Covid has caused massive issues with manufacturing and supply chains worldwide. Its a right shit storm... I'm just hoping it gets sorted quickly so the bikes are replaced by the summer when they'll be wanting to use them again...

I'm genuinely worried that might not be the case though.
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 While there are exceptions, most bicycles sold from EU-based direct to consumer brands are manufactured and assembled in Asia but are currently warehoused in EU countries prior to sale.

Duties and tariffs are normally applied based on where the goods are manufactured and assembled. An EU-based company would have to pay these anyway before selling a bicycle to a customer in the UK. These companies also have to apply the VAT. Most EU and UK-based companies remove the VAT if the product is being shipped to say North America.

To get around paying tariffs and duties on goods that are 'in transit' but have landed in a jurisdiction after being shipped from the country of manufacture, companies use bonded warehouses. Goods in these warehouses are then sent to a final destination country where any local customs duties or tariffs are then applied. That's one solution any EU-based company could utilise to avoid double charging their UK customers on any duties or tariffs (paid once in the EU and then paid again upon entering the UK).
  • 6 0
 Eh why's bike-discount.de not shipping to Ireland? We're staying in the EU and are a separate country for last 100 Year's.
  • 5 0
 i voted stay but with covid the economy is fooked so may as well go no deal so we can ( eventualy ) under cut europe with low wages and shite employment conitions .. win win
  • 3 0
 I was in graduate school in Spain when the ECU Common Goods Basket was being developed, at the time there was no European Union, traveling from country to country was a PITA, the price of foreign goods was astronomical, and the Union was seen as a great benefit to all.

It’s funny to see how attitudes have changed.

I think Britain effed up with Brexit, but then they were problematic from the early days, so no real surprise. What’s sad is Brexit will harm the British people who can least afford the harm, politicians are only in it for the votes.
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 Enjoy your 2021 chinese ebikes
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 Doesn't UK have a 48.5% anti-dumping tariff on bikes from China? I'm pretty sure EU has that 48.5% anti-dumping tariff.

road.cc/content/news/british-bike-manufacturers-fearing-brexit-278373
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flag nojzilla (Dec 22, 2020 at 10:30) (Below Threshold)
 @tacklingdummy: maybe not in 2021 cos y'know.... brexshit
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 @nojzilla: if UK firms account for less than 1% of the market they won't be protected by a tariff.
  • 7 2
 Wait for a no-deal and see the GBP drop, time to make some good deals with Pinkbike BuyAndSell UK sellers!
  • 4 2
 that would be rad! I get paid in USD but live in the UK.
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 Congrats to the author for putting 'customers' in the title and not that dark americanism 'consumers'.
  • 9 0
 Consumers is the more honest description of the bike industry. It is always all about the latest and greatest, toss your 2 year old bike in the running bin and get a 1 degree steeper STA.
  • 2 0
 This is actually good for the bike industry in the UK, if there is no deal, companies will need to open offices in the UK creating jobs such as what YT have done rather than just posting a bike cross boarder. As bike are mostly made in TW and that tariff is not changing then the price won't change. If anti dumping is taken away from Chinese imports (48% from the EU) then like in Norway some companies could move the production to China and offer stupidly low pricing. Then add that to bikes imported from elsewhere having duty slashed it would also mean lower prices. But I have a funny feeling that come Jan 1st.........nothing will change.
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 There were loads who bitterly complained. They were about as European as the French that they learned at school or the odd ski trip. It'll be turmolous at the start but we'll get there and at least our government acted on the peoples vote whereas the French people were ignored.
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 British bike brands are about to become a much more appealing option. Kinda feels like the politicians want the "no deal" option to go through, as a f*ck you for leaving us.
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 Sorry, but you can't leave while keeping all the advantages as a member. Johnson is the one who cared the least about a deal while he should care the most about it. He gets what he was craving for. No need for a big "F*ck you". Nothing unexpected happening here.
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 @Mettwurst82:

Exactly this is the result of Johnsons gross mishandling of the Brexit negotiations

Even with a deal all imports will have significant price rises, thanks to VAT now being a separate entity for UK

50,000 extra customs agents don't pay for themselves
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 @Mettwurst82: lol it was clearly a lot more than just Johnson who wanted this. It's definitely a f*ck You to all those who voted for it, Johnson isn't about to be personally or financially affected in the least. Least the British have some killer brands and I bet they're about to get a lot more popular inside the country.
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 @DylanH93: problem is all those brands will have their raw material costs go up to
(that's no bauxite mines here!)
They were already expensive enough

Less competition = higher prices for consumers
  • 2 0
 @Kimbers: we only have one aluminium extrusion mill in the UK and limited smelting capability from what I heard the other day ( a guy at the steel mill making track for HS2) that place is being sold off too
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 Any brand/ company from outside the Uk can form a Uk company, and trade as before just bikes will be just a bit more expensive. The company’s listed above in the article just haven’t got around to it yet.
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 But that has cost attached Prices will rise for UK consumers
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 I already see the price change. One year ago, I bought an On One Scandal frame from their website for about $149 usd. Last time I checked it was $1025 usd for the same frame!! I'm not sure what is going on, but I got one heck of a deal. The prices are like that across all bikes now. No longer a website for good, affordable bikes and parts.
  • 7 2
 Buy local, save the planet.
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 The UK needs to open more open pit mines on their island instead of using resources from the other side of the globe. . . where they don't have environmental pollution laws!
  • 3 0
 How do you buy a "local" bike. I just bought a handmade steel frame from a UK company...the tubing for which will come from SE Asia. The principal I agree with, but achieving it is another matter...
  • 2 0
 @unrooted: we are building loads of nuclear power plants , helped by the Chinese what could go wrong
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 @unrooted: The irony of suggesting this when we have a government who are the embodiment of Thatcher's entitled offspring is not lost on me.
  • 4 0
 Orange Privateer Hope Cotic Starling BTR Bird We're just fine here in the UK with that list of fantastic bike companies.
  • 5 1
 That all cost more than a canyon or rose or ..... the reason we’re in the shit is because people vote with their wallets not what they write in the comments
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 Yeah, none of these companies export either...
  • 1 1
 Beside the point, Brexit was supposed to leave the UK better off, not worse off but in a way that doesn't personally effect you.
  • 4 1
 All that shit is completely irrelevant , by the time we have foot the bill for brexit and Covid buying a bike will be a distant memory ,
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 Can't bicycle brands get around this tax by letting the UK importers buy directly from their factories in Asia? If they own a daughter-company registered in Asia for their factory this should be just a matter of billing to the daughter-company and I think it should be totally legal? Assuming they the UK has a (better) import deal with Asia?
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 look at countries with not so great tariff laws against import bikes and you will see bikes/components around 30% more expensive across brands. which results in lesser common folk getting access to biking and overall lack of choice.
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 Order a YT about a month ago, knew shipping was in January. They have been very helpful and clear about what is happening/ what will happen.
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 And me, thinking only brazilians could have an chaotic political scenario in a democracy state... I was wrong, totally wrong...
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 so in last 100 years there have been 7 global monetary resets . the eighth is incoming . Any economists on here that can tell us how hats going to effect us Mountain bikers?
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 What was the most recent one?
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 @nordland071285: 33 years ago apparently
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 Realistically it will mean a drive for better value offerings. The high end will still be around, but expect more aluminium frames where we are currently getting carbon.

Oh and plenty of boutique/niche brands will disappear or significantly realign their products.
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 "This should make non-EU bikes cheaper for UK consumers"

Are they serious? That is what they found to penalize EU? They are even lower than what I thought.
And by 'they' I am not sure who I am talking about, but they surely are.
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 flights will still be cheap and it's a few hours. go pick bike up bag it up with some dirt rubbed on and labels peeled off . tax dodged
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 Who even are Rose bikes?
Any manufacturer/supplier/retailer who decide to cease trading with the UK are only shooting themselves in the foot. It will only open doors for UK based companies to grow and cash in.
The short term might be rough but the long term could be great. I was a remainer although with the curtains closing and the ‘deals’ looking unlikely it’s something we’ll have to ride out (excuse the pun). Britain has never ‘gave up’ - we’ve been governed by inbred idiots for hundreds of years and yet we still invent, engineer, manufacture and thrive. Brexit is just another event for the history books.
  • 2 0
 I overheard a conversation with some bike park staff talking about why they voted to leave, until someone pointed out the bike park they worked at was partly EU funded...
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 I might not be able to afford to buy food and will have to pay a shit load of import tax on stuff, but at least I'll have a blue passport (in 9 years when my current one expires) ????‍♂️
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 All these people saying oh well I didn't want a Canyon or a Rose bike anyway, Brexit was supposed to leave the UK better off, not worse off but in a way that doesn't personally effect you.
  • 4 1
 Maybe orange should start making hardtails in Britain.
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 Don’t fooled into thinking this is going to get better!

The World Wide financial bubble is about to pop! The continuous printing of currency & NO way to pay the debt the end of the financial farce is near.

You should all be reading history books right now the next Depression is about to unfold.
  • 1 0
 maybe hope will now sell every single bike they can produce. will be interesting to see how this affects the domestic UK manufacturing market
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 Well, there is still Hope left in the country. Don't give up
  • 2 0
 We may be forced to ride orange & Stanton bikes with Hope bling , could be worse
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 Ordered a mullet Propain Spindrift back in October, delivery is early Feb..... if you've already paid for a product is this an issue?
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 So,
Last time I checked Ireland is still part of the EU so why are some companies about to stop shipping there if and when Brexit goes ahead!!??
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 Probably because they have to go through the Uk to get there . The Irish border was always going to be the elephant in the room !
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 Doesnt really matter. By the time Corona and Brexit is done with us we'll all be living in caves anyway.
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 Deal is even better than current EU terms - Boris really did Get Brexit Done COMMENT

That’s a quote from Boris and one of his newspapers about 5 minutes ago
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 UK bike companies are probably cool with the tariff as their costs will be lower than imported competitors.
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 Except they still need to import raw materials etc So costs will rise
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 @Kimbers: But likely much less than their competitors. Many times the reason behind tariffs is a protectionary measure for a countries own national brands. That is why China's tariffs are so high. In Asia, high tariffs on imported products is very common to protect national brands and industries, but nobody likes to pay more.
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 @tacklingdummy:

Tariffs are only part of it

Jaguar still manufacture here, they reckoned that in a no deal tariffs will cost £1bn extra year to keep their factory here, but either way non tariff barriers will add £1.5bn a year
The government ha e said we will have to hire an extra 50,000 new customs agents for this extra bureaucracy.

That's why these negotiations revolved around state aid & level playing field committments, Jaguar, Nissan & others will want subsidies to stay here.
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 @Kimbers: Well, we will see what unfolds since just a day ago they claim the Brexit wars are over. I'm sure there will be winners and losers. Neither Brexit nor No Brexit would satisfy everyone.
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 @Kimbers: ya never know maybe we can have a second industrial revolution in the world of automobiles the worlds going electric we have one of the most advanced hydrogen cell makers here and plenty of history in designing for others , we lack the manufacturing infrastructure now with metals but are world leaders in composites so maybe we could have a future in the arena even if we did say take your market elsewhere Nissan and Honda and whoever else , stranger things have happened
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 "!This should make non-EU bikes cheaper for UK consumers"

you mean a bigger profit for the sellers more like.
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 Raleigh would of made a killing this year if they were still made in the UK.
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 they were ahead of the game with the chopper mullet ! even though they got it back to front !
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 @deertrackdoctor: shame they went to the far east in 1950ish........
  • 2 0
 Geez, this exit is taking longer than mine at the strip club....
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 And tomorrow morning we'll be left wondering what happened to all the cash we had
  • 6 3
 Someone described it on here as the slowest car crash in history. I think that was a couple of years ago. The most fitting description I've seen.
  • 3 1
 @commental: at this point in time, the car is still crashing.
  • 2 1
 @Kainerm: No airbags, just windbags
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 @Kainerm: There's been a breakthrough in negotiations. Both sides have finally agreed on what should be in the sandwiches served for lunch.
  • 2 0
 Thankfully I couldn't care less...
  • 2 0
 I'm looking forward to the Texit.
  • 1 0
 I cancelled my Pace frame because of brexit. Getting stuff out of Britain also sucks.
  • 1 0
 How is this going to affect CRC? they are massive in Europe, are they not? or are they just a UK company really?
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 Slight inconvenience when purchasing some bike products with the pay off of freedom from a manipulative globalist tyranny. I 'll take that compromise any day!
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 Out of the globalist tyranny frying pan, into the free-market anarchist fire.
  • 1 0
 My next bike will be something like this philnews.ph/2017/03/31/wooden-bikes-recycled-materials
  • 2 0
 Brexit like a boss, well done Bo-Joe keep crying remonas hahaha ????
  • 2 1
 I'd look into getting a Muddy Fox in that case.
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 *cries*
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 £85.50 import fee on each bike presently is an absolute joke.
  • 1 0
 Anyone in New zealand wanna rent a room to me?
  • 1 0
 Just 8 days remain. Again.
  • 1 0
 Looks like there is a deal so we can continue to buy EU bikes
  • 1 0
 According to the news, Brexit wars are not over. We will see.
  • 9 8
 Basically we’re fecked
  • 2 1
 Big oof
  • 5 4
 God damn you BoJo
  • 1 0
 Could DMR come back
  • 1 0
 No Rose
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 Thank you pinkbike!
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 1) It's happening.
2) You can either tighten your boot laces and get on with it or sit around crying like a little bitch.
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 Or put faux machismo aside and discuss it rationally, listen to opposing views in the hope you gain some understanding of other people's concerns and issues. Maybe even develop some empathy.
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 @Steventux: unfortunately As much as I don’t like the way it was presented it’s not evading the facts
Regardless of wether you are listening to other peoples views or concerns it’s happening and there’s little you can do at this late stage

As for having empathy , that’s not going to change anything either
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 @Steventux: We know which one you're going to do. Bitch.
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 @Dobbs59: No one likes a bad winner, you got your referendumb and won, so do it gracefully sir.
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 @Compositepro: The point I'm trying to make is it's fine to continue discuss things, treating people with respect is also good. People are still discussing historical events that predate the referendum, the formation of the EU etc.

The irony of commenting that we shouldn't be discussing the subject of the article within the comments of the article is sweet though.
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 @Steventux: im not having a go just sayin
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 Absolutely nothing.
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 Other than all the points already mentioned
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