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First Look: The Raaw Jibb V2 is More Versatile with 130mm or 141mm Travel

Apr 10, 2024 at 6:55
by Jessie-May Morgan  


The Raaw Jibb enters its second generation as a more versatile 130mm travel trail bike, carrying with it all of the hardware updates and adjustment options seen on the longer travel Madonna and Yalla! frames. The additional versatility comes from a switch to a modular lower shock mount that allows for bottom bracket height and progression adjustment. That also brings the opportunity to run an MX wheel size configuration in addition to the stock 29" setup. Chainstay length adjustment, independent of other geometry changes, is also on the table to the tune of +/- 5mm.

The tallest of riders will be interested to learn that the Jibb V2 is available in five sizes, with an XXL added to the top end. Its 520mm reach means that riders from 158 cm right up to 208 cm are accommodated for.

RAAW Jibb Details

• Wheel Size: 29" or MX
• Travel: 130 (r) / 150mm (f), or 141 (r) / 160mm (f)
• Aluminum Frame
• 64.5° head angle
• Chainstay length: 445-450-455mm
• Reach: 420, 445, 470, 495, 520mm
• Frame only: $2,520 USD, €2,790 (includes VAT)
raawmtb.com


Notably, the V2 Jibb has two (interchangeable) travel configurations to choose from. There's the 130mm (r) / 150mm (f) option that is closely matched to the V1 Jibb, or the LT which runs 141mm of rear wheel travel with a 160mm fork. Fittingly, Raaw refer to that one the "Mini Madonna".

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There’s a 5 mm thick downtube protector and a chainstay protector that also houses the gear cable and protects the frame from heel rub. The seat stay also has protection against chain slap
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That eye-catching main pivot has these astonishingly large dimensions: 47mm x 30mm x 9mm

Frame Details

The Jibb V2 encompasses all that Raaw fans have come to expect from the German brand. We're looking at an 6066 T6 aluminum frame with industry-leading pivot bearing dimensions, axles that run directly through the bearings, with double seals at each pivot, and bearings at both ends of the Trunnion shock. The bike is set to be a relatively low maintenance affair, with external cable routing consolidating that (dropper excepted).

Frame weight is up on the original Jibb, at a claimed 3.9 kg (8.6 lb) in a medium, sans shock. All sizes enjoy a healthy tire clearance to comfortably house a 2.6" tire.

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A 55mm straight headtube can house an angle set should you wish to go no more than 1-degree slacker than 64.5 degrees


Frames will be available in black or raw alloy with a matte clear coat. Other notable details include the 203mm rear brake mount, a 73mm BSA bottom bracket, and an ISCG 05 tabs for a chain guide and bash guard. Pictured throughout is a seat stay with Raaw's proprietary axle system that permits chainstay length adjustment. There is also a UDH option for T-Type compatibility that has a fixed chainstay length.

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Geometry

The Jibb V2 isn't a grand departure from the original, with the same reach and BB height across the board; that's 470mm in L with 35mm BB drop. It's around 5mm shorter than the Madonna, something that should help the bike feel a little more playful in comparison. There are now five sizes to choose from however, with an XXL added for the tallest riders.

Meanwhile, riders on the shorter end of the spectrum will welcome the addition of MX capability. There are no fewer than nine lower shock mounts available, one of which corrects the geometry such that the bike can sensibly accommodate a 27.5" rear wheel - this GIF shows how that works using the Madonna as an example. With that mount, geometry in the MX configuration is unchanged from that seen in the table.

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Raaw are continuing with a semi-proportional approach to chainstay length (read here about what a fully proportional approach might look like). Across the five frame sizes, there are three distinct sets of stays. In the stock middle setting the S and M frames run a 445mm rear-center, the L a 450mm rear-center, and the XL and XXL a 455m rear-center. That said, all three can be adjusted to go 5mm longer or shorter from those specified mid-points.

The V2 is slacker with head angle of 64.5°, contributing to an increased wheelbase of 20mm. In a size large, the wheelbase is 1260mm. The actual seat tube angle differs across frame sizes, too. Measured at a saddle height equivalent to the top of the head tube, the S and M frames have an effective seat tube angle of 76°, while the L, XL and XXL frames get a steeper seat angle of 77°. Though steeper than the seat tube angles seen on the original Jibb, they aren't quite as steep as those boasted by the longer travel Madonna. That makes some sense, given that the shorter travel Jibb is likely to be of greater interest to riders on mellower or undulating terrain.

The nine lower shock mount options allow for independent, or concomitant, adjustment of bottom bracket height and progression. The BB can be raised or lowered by 3mm away from the mid-point, while the progression can be increased or decreased by 3% away from the mid-point.

The Jibb runs a straight 56mm head tube, and can thus house an angle set for further adjustment of frame geometry. Raaw approve use of a +/- 1° angle set, and can supply options from Works Components.

Finally, the maximum seat post insertion depths are as follows: S, 235 mm / M, 260 mm / L, 280 mm / XL, & XXL 305 mm.


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Suspension

Raaw is sticking with the four bar linkage design seen across their lineup. To best cater to a wide range of rider weights, the designers have resolved to offer two rocker options that have a very similar level of progression, but with meaningfully different start and end ratios. The Rocker 50, paired with a 185mm x 50 mm shock gives 21.5% progression, and is recommended for riders below 90 kg. Alternatively, the Rocker 55 paired with a 185mm x 55 mm shock delivers 19% progression over the same 130mm travel, and is said to be best suited for riders heavier than 90 kg.

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Two rockers cater to different rider weights by altering leverage ratio
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Jibb V2 leverage with Rocker 50 and Rocker 55

The shape of the leverage curve is relatively unchanged as compared to the original Jibb. The suspension is progressive throughout, with a very smooth change in ratio, though there is an initial flatter section that keeps the leverage ratio high around the sag point for good small bump sensitivity where it's needed most. Such a kinematic lends itself well to use with both air and coil shocks, and Raaw do offer both. The Rocker 55 with the 55mm stroke shock is most closely matched to the leverage curve of the V1, while the Rocker 50 which gives a much higher average leverage ratio for lighter riders.

Ruben from Raaw tells us that this leverage change permitted by the rockers means that very heavy and very light riders at opposite ends of the spectrum won't need to run an inordinately high or low air pressure (or spring rate) to get the right sag. With this, a single custom damper tune should be better able to service riders of different weight by simply relying on the external adjustments.

A 141mm travel configuration of the LT is also available. It runs the very same frame but combines the Rocker 50 with the longer stroke 55mm shock. That one is paired with a 160mm fork. Raaw say the added travel front and rear makes the bike sit in a slightly more aggressive stance and gives the Jibb V2 even more capabilities on the descents while still being great to pedal and an all-around hoot to ride.

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Anti-squat, the term used to describe how the suspension will be affected during pedaling-induced accelerations, is highest in the smallest sprockets of the cassette. The suspension should be at its most neutral under pedaling in the climbing gears (32T-52T), where the anti-squat value sits right around 100% at sag.

The anti-rise, the term used to describe how applying the brakes affects the rear suspension, is quite low initially before increasing ever so slightly as you go deeper into the stroke. It's actually more consistent through the travel than we saw for the original Jibb, something that will only serve to give it a more predictable ride quality.

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Pricing & Availability

Pricing starts at 2,790€ incl. VAT for frame kits. Elsewhere, it's $2,520 USD, $3,470 CAD, $3,930 AUD, 2,260 CHF or £2,050. There's no mention of complete bikes just now, but a rolling chassis with Fox is available.

As mentioned, there are two seat stay options; a UDH one for T-Type compatibility or Raaw's proprietary axle system that allows for chainstay length adjustment. Should you change your mind about which of these you want, you can purchase the alternate stays after the fact for 219,95 €, inclusive of Tax in the EU. The Jibb ships with geometry setting in Raaw's recommended middle settings, but the other eight lower shock mounting tabs are available to purchase at €44,95, inc. VAT.

All frames are sold with a 5 year warranty that is also passed onto a second owner, a great selling point should you ever wish to part with it within that time frame.



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121 Comments
  • 102 3
 Wow this really does it all. You can move the reach with headset cups and move the chainstay with the chips. I personally wouldn't fiddle with the BB height, but you can if you want. It looks amazing, the pivots are beefy and protected. Easy to service bearings. All parts available direct from supplier. External routing. Replaceable ISCG. Wow. It really nails everything.
  • 15 2
 At least the price is a bit high, otherwise I would have a very hard time resisting this or Madonna.
  • 4 1
 it only misses large helium chambers... cause the weight isn't even mentioned...
  • 5 2
 @PauRexs: no it’s mentioned it’s like 8lbs with shock, it’s at the top of the article
  • 7 0
 @Grady-Harris: "Frame weight is up on the original Jibb, at a claimed 3.9 kg (8.6 lb) in a medium, sans shock. " sans (french)= without
  • 3 0
 @lkubica: the V1 frameset is on sale at like 50% off ... Now I know why
  • 6 0
 @lkubica:

I also really love every bike that Raaw produces.

The frame is on the higher end for an aluminum frame only option, it is true (similar to Atherton, and Kavenz). But in comparison to the Santa Mountain Megatude, the new Dreadnought v2, and the Yeti SB165 frames, this thing is like $1500-2500 usd cheaper.
  • 2 0
 @blackpudding: yeah I had very very hard 2 weeks trying NOT to buy a Madonna v2.2 Smile Fortunately I have a garden to finish XD
  • 2 0
 Pretty lame to call a 29er bike that has up to 455mm chainstays the "jib" when almost any other bike is gonna be more playful
  • 2 0
 @lkubica: Resisting Madonna would be easy.
  • 2 0
 @watchtower: Haha, unless you are a vigorous 70ty year-old Smile
  • 60 9
 Awesome looking bike, and great geo… too bad about the weight. If I’m buying a 130mm bike, I don’t want it to be 35+ lbs. Lots of other bikes with comparable capability at a lighter weight.
  • 25 46
flag a-prince (Apr 11, 2024 at 5:01) (Below Threshold)
 Complaining about the weight of this bike is like going to McDonalds and complaining that the Big Mac meal has too many calories.
  • 57 1
 @a-prince: and maybe im not gonna go to McDonald's and eat a big Mac meal because it has too many calories.
  • 16 0
 @a-prince: Ehhhh, not really.
  • 18 9
 This. Why make it as heavy as its big brother when it has a different intended use? Making it heavier than V1 is inexcusable really. Someone needs to do some better engineering.
  • 4 2
 @a-prince: Is it? Can you explain this analogy? Because I don't think it works.
  • 2 2
 II agree I wish it was a more versatile bike. The Jibb seems to be good at getting the top of any hills at a mellow pace thanks the steep seat tube but the main purpose of this bike is to enjoy the downhills. It's still a gravity oriented bike.
You guys should release a proper downcountry puppy Smile
  • 4 0
 @a-prince: That analogy might work if the bike in question was a DH or enduro rig, not so much for a trail bike
  • 7 0
 @RonSauce: username does not check out
  • 9 9
 What I’m trying to say is nobody goes to McDonald’s if they want to eat healthy. Nobody is going to buy this bike who cares about the weight. The weight is a benefit in my mind as it will enhance the descending capability in a way lighter bikes cannot.
  • 13 1
 @a-prince: Yes,nobody who buys may care about the weight,but many others who care would buy if it was reasonable.
  • 9 0
 @a-prince: But people who buy trail bikes generally DO care about weight. People who care about calories do not go to McDonalds (and conversely, people who go do McDonalds do not care about calories, at least on those occasions). So your analogy does not work.

But fwiw I don't care much about weight and would buy this bike, if I needed a bike. Weight is a massively overstated factor IMO and since the sprung mass includes our fat assess I don't think that a few lbs matters much. You could get the same weight saving from losing some belly than you would from buying a lighter frame. It would have precisely the same effect on pedalling efficiency.
  • 5 0
 Mmmm McDonalds
  • 8 7
 If you care about weight this bike is not for you. Plain and simple.

I’m going to go eat McDonalds and delete my PinkBike account.
  • 4 1
 @redrook: I'd say not everyone. Sure many people go for a bike with less travel because of weight. But this bike is for gravity riders who want a more poppy and responsive bike, which can still be ridden very hard. The Spectral 125 e.g. has a similar target audience.
  • 3 1
 Totally agree - love the vibe, the look, and the adjustability but the weight is ridiculous. It’s 600g more than my Kavenz frame which can be set up with 120-180mm of travel and has an idler.
  • 5 0
 @DonEnrique @redrook agreed. Frame weight gets overblown by a lot of people not racing XC. It's a gravity oriented bike for slightly mellower trails. Probably a great fit for the 90% of riders I see riding blue squares full of berms then dad pedaling to the top. Nice overall offering by Raaw in my opinion.
  • 1 0
 This frame is only half a pound heavier than my current frame, which as built with mid-tier components weighs 31.5 lbs. It's not going to be a 35 lb bike when you're done building it.
  • 6 1
 @a-prince: don't leave us. We need your insight.
  • 2 0
 My 140/125 steel Cotic FlareMax is right at 35 lbs (size XL). Yeah it's a chonk, but it feels great with carbon wheels. You get used to it.
  • 4 1
 @redrook: I think what he is saying is if you were to take a bite out of this bike you would find that it is quite delicious so you’d naturally overlook that this is quite a calorie dense bike design. A dessert bike, perhaps.
  • 4 2
 I’m still holding out for Raaw to release a 110-120ish travel bike with a lighter tube set (hello, anyone??). I’ll complain about weight if they release something along those lines and it’s a pig, but, this is still a mini-enduro bike, so weight isn’t the most important factor.

My Madonna V2 pedaled great for a heavy bike, I’m sure this does too. Faster rolling tires and low drag hubs will do more for this bike than the frame weighing 2lbs less.
  • 2 0
 @DonEnrique: I didn't say people went for less travel because of weight. I said people looking for less travel expect lower weights. Given the PB comments on every bike this is evidently the case.

I also went on to say that I disagreed that weight was an issue. It is not. The frame is part of the sprung mass, as is the rider, so frame weight is almost irrelevant.
  • 2 0
 @redrook: Well said!!!
  • 1 0
 @jdejace: Part of that weight is due to its durability. Rob Warner would say "LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THOSE PIVOTS!!"
  • 1 0
 Last Glen/Coal frame goes up to 165mm of rear travel with alu frame, at only 3.1kg vs 3.9kg for the new Jibb. Much shorter chainstays will have it ride jibbier too I guess?
  • 19 0
 Looks nice but 2.8k € for an aluminium frame made in asia is too expensive, I can get a made in germany Nicolai for the same price
  • 3 0
 Got myself a V1 frame second hand for 900€ (without shock), one month ago.
Have been tracking 2nd hand pricing for a few weeks before, normally 1.2 to 1.6k asking price.
and now the V1s will get propably way cheaper.
I mean just as an option.

But you are right, a comparable Nicolai (Saturn 14ST) is 1.95k€

I own bespoke Jibb and an Nicolai Saturn Swift (= e-version)
-> the Jibb's geometry is more playful, I feel more centered, jump on it and feel good, doesn't matter the terrain or speed.
I needed to get used to the Saturn, first, felt more like sitting "on" it, felt most comfortable only on higher speeds.
  • 1 0
 Had a typo up there, 2.95K for the Nicolai Swift Frame, of course
  • 10 2
 "Made in Asia" used as negative aspect of a frame is pure ignorance. Taiwan has been and still is the leading manufacturer in the highest end technical bikes (and textiles, and computer chips, etc). You should want the bike to come from Taiwan, and generally wages in Taiwan are not as low as your antiquated mindset probably think they are.
  • 10 0
 @whiteryanc: I didn't read it as a negative, I read it as "Why are you charging me Made in Germany prices for Made in Taiwan?"
  • 3 0
 @whiteryanc: It's not about quality, @boozed got what i meant. I know that they make top notch products, but Germany is still more expensive. So a frame made in taiwan should be cheaper still
  • 1 0
 @bashhard: depends on the nowadays' context, currency variations, cost of labour, transport... Would it be cheaper (or less expensive) if it was 100% made in Germany? I wonder...
  • 17 6
 Biggest issue - it's still called the jibb.
  • 20 1
 Should have called it the Jizz!
  • 90 0
 We tried, but it simply didn't listen to new names.
  • 3 1
 @rich-2000: This man knows
  • 4 0
 I will purpose “Jibbroni”
  • 2 0
 @rich-2000: Just burst a tubeless tyre then ride!!
  • 8 2
 Pinkbike, what's the point of having a "Details" box at the top if the data displayed there is different for each bike? Can we please have measured weights published for each bike? I truly don't understand the point of having a key stats box if the key stats change per review.
  • 8 1
 Its just the marketing highlights the brand told them to put there. This isn't a review, its an ad.
  • 4 0
 "A 141mm travel configuration of the LT is also available. It runs the very same frame but combines the Rocker 50 with the longer stroke 55mm shock."

So is the LT "not suited for riders above 90 kg"? Since it doesn't get the Rocker 55...
  • 1 0
 I had the same question... Maybe RAAW can clarify this?
  • 4 0
 I was considering this but looking at the numbers I still think a v2.2 Madonna with an air shock is pretty versatile. I can’t quite justify even the frame swap… except to get a raw frame vs the black I have. Still, this is an amazing bike and Raaw is freaking awesome for building perfectly utilitarian bikes like these.
  • 5 1
 The bike looks great and since I am looking for a playful trail bike, I would consider it. But 445 to 455 chain stays!!! That goes against any possible aspiration of this bike being "Jibby". Calling the bike Jibb is pretty close to being false advertising.
  • 3 0
 @RAAWMountainBikes it is unclear when purchasing, can you buy the frame with a rocker 50 and 185x55 shock for longer travel, or will it be shipped with the shock that allows for the normal amount of travel? Is there a geo chart available for the LT version as well?
  • 2 0
 I messaged them on pinkbike asking if there is a LT geo chart. I assume it raises the BB and shortens the reach a touch, but would like confirmation.
  • 2 0
 @shapethings: Yeah assuming the same. I also would like a way to buy it outright with the longer stroke shock so I don’t have to do that after getting it.
  • 1 0
 @pisgahgnar: they responded, no geo chart for some reason, but i'm sure they would sell you the LT rocker/shock combo
  • 6 2
 a few years ago a 29er wouldnt be considered "jibby"..... a few years ago these chainstay lengths were reserved for only the most stable DH bikes....

How did 29er long chainstays become worthy of the "jib" descriptor?
  • 1 1
 Marketing department when it’s really hard to get to demo any bike these days
  • 3 0
 "A 55mm straight headtube can house an angle set should you wish to go no more than 1-degree slacker than 64.5 degrees"

Why no more than 1 degree? Works Components makes 2-degree anglesets that fit in 49mm headtubes. And Cane Creek used to sell (they have completely discontinued all AngleSets, it seems: the whole group is in their "Legacy" section and sold-out) a 1.5-degree kit for 49mm heasets. So a 55mm headtube can certainly fit more than 1-degree of angle adjustment provided the appropriate headset.
  • 3 0
 Oh, I see. "Approved" for 1-degree. Weird.
  • 2 0
 I'd love to see a shootout between this and the new Fugitive that launched last night/this morning.

How manufacturers size is still fascinating... the Jibb is almost and inch shorter and half an inch taller than the Fugitive comparing stack and reach between larges. Add 15mm of headset spacers to get the Knolly up to the the equivalent stack and it's still going to be about 15mm longer reach, with a long ETT, too.
  • 3 0
 Agreed, but raaw have always made the Jibb intentionally short, it's 10 or 15mm shorter than the Madonna. I owned a V1 briefly, it was beautiful but I didn't get along with it well, I think mostly because of the shortness. The V2 is slacker and I think has a little more stack which would help that feeling, but it's a lot of wheelbase and a lot of weight for a 130 bike. It's awesome and I love they make it, but it's a niche product in my opinion, although the V2 is a little less so.
  • 7 0
 I might just be dumb, but I swear the more time I spend staring at geo charts and comparing bikes the more mysterious sizing becomes to me
  • 1 0
 Love to see a comparison with the new Fugitive. These are both great looking bikes and suit the type of riding I do perfectly.
  • 7 1
 lets be honest raaw is the best bike company right now
  • 5 0
 I believe it's 6066-t6 and not the unweldable 7075 the article mentions.
  • 1 0
 Yep - you're right.
  • 6 1
 This is the bike 90% of people should ride
  • 4 4
 If it came in at 30lb or less
  • 1 0
 @chrismac70: Gym time or go ride an XC bike.
  • 5 0
 XXL sizing! Thank you @RAAWMountainBikes for considering the outliers
  • 1 0
 Really dig the adjustability, geo & ethos of this bike. Price is great as well.
However the frame weight is too high for my pedaling purposes being 3#s heavier than my cf Smuggler, which isn't considered a super lightweight frame.
I'd almost kill for that adjustable Reach & CS length however!
  • 1 0
 I wonder if the frame is actually the same as the V3 Madonna, but just with a different rocker etc.?

I have a V2.2 Madonna and is a great bike.

If the frames are at the same bwteen the two V2Jib and V3 Madonna, then woudl open up the option of rocker/shock swaps to covert from 130mm to 160mm travel.
  • 3 0
 Best mountainbike-related pitch ever - and arguably for one of the best bikes/ bike concepts currently out there! Well done!
  • 3 0
 I am aware the weight is discussed in the article. Ok, then why is it not included in the "Details" box?
  • 2 0
 I can’t put my finger on the Spinal Tap joke available here.

Sweet bike.
  • 4 0
 Proper sexy that.
  • 3 0
 I love big pivots and on a bare raw frame. Mmmmmm.
  • 5 3
 I don’t think the name “Jib” is fitting for a bike with chainstays that long
  • 3 0
 BBA - BikeBoner Alert
  • 7 5
 OMG.... Just imagine if this was 650b.... Would be perfect.
  • 8 1
 Airdrop Edit - available as 27.5, similar aesthetic and also from the 'easy to live with' school.
  • 1 2
 mini mullet would be beyond perfect
  • 1 0
 Take a mullet, put a 170 shaft in the fork on and throw a 27.5 wheel into it. Done! I have SC Bronson v4 which I run as a full 27.5 on my local trails and still have an option to throw in a burlier mx wheel set for bike park trips.
  • 3 1
 Canfield Balance, yall.
  • 7 0
 @TokenCanfieldGuy: username checks out
  • 1 0
 Are there any mid-travel mullet bikes out there that weigh 14kg or less? Santa Cruz 5010 comes to mind.
  • 2 0
 Carbon Fluid...?
  • 1 0
 New must have feature for 2024: concomitant shock mounts. (I had to look that up.)
  • 2 0
 Trunnion mount stopped sucking ? cable toursim hate is better ?
  • 4 0
 Trunnion never really sucked, but flexy and/or misaligned frames used it to help eat shocks faster. More stroke in a shorter overall package (that's what she said?), and/or more bushing overlap for a given stroke, easy use of bearings for shock mounts, all good stuff. WHEN installed in a frame that doesn't rely on the forgiveness of an eyelet to make up for its own deficiencies re: sideloads.
  • 2 0
 This HT!!!
  • 1 1
 That coil version, hubba hubba, now just needs me to pop a zocchi coil fork up front Smile
  • 14 2
 Be a sick 40 pound trail bike. Go ahead and throw some thick tires and inserts in while you’re at it. You may hit e-bike weight!
  • 3 0
 @dextercolvin323: Ha ha, horses for courses, that's the beauty of choice! Smile
  • 1 0
 @carlitouk: Very true! Still a nice bike!
  • 1 0
 @dextercolvin323: That attack felt personal honestly haha
  • 1 0
 Medium for me at 6ft= fun.
  • 1 1
 I wonder if you could “long travel” the Madonna V3 and get it to 170mm rear travel?
  • 1 0
 Wow this is just great, and in a very functional XXL too. Nice one.
  • 1 0
 Can't wait for a proper ride test!!!
  • 1 1
 Stop this tsunami of bike realeases pleaaaase !!
  • 1 0
 Sweet looking bike!
  • 1 1
 Didn't we just see this a week or two ago?
  • 2 0
 that was the new Madonna, the longer travel version from Raaw
  • 2 3
 every thing about this (ok not the wheel size) is beautifull
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