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First Ride: Canyon Neuron:ONfly - a Lighter 140mm eMTB

Apr 24, 2024 at 10:23
by Jessie-May Morgan  



The absence of a lighter weight, mid-torque option has been something of a gaping hole in Canyon's lineup of full suspension electric mountain bikes. Plugging that hole today is the all-new Canyon Neuron:ONfly, a 140mm travel offering powered by the 55 Nm Bosch SX motor.

Canyon aren't erasing the Neuron:ON. It remains in the range as the heavier, higher capacity, torquier option. The Neuron:ONfly is another kettle of fish entirely, and judging by the geometry overhaul, a much better one at that. Motor and battery capacity preferences aside, the Neuron:ONfly should be a far more capable descender for all riders, not least because long travel dropper seat posts are now very much on the table.

Canyon Neuron:ON Fly Details
• Carbon frame
• Travel: 140mm f & r (130mm in XS)
• 29" Wheels
• 64.5° Head Angle
• Reach: 410, 435, 460, 485, 510mm
• Chainstay length: 450mm
• Bosch SX Motor
• 400 Wh (250 Wh range extender)
• Maximum system weight limit: 130 kg
• Weight: 18.54 kg / 41 lbs (CF LTD, S)
• Price: €7,999 (CF LTD)
• 6 year frame warranty
canyon.com

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The CF7 in Space Grey is the only model available in the US; it is priced at $5,499 USD

The Neuron:ONfly also serves more riders, with five sizes spanning a height range of 158cm to 200cm. The S-XL bikes boast 140mm front and rear wheel travel, while the XS is a little short-changed at just 130mm due to packaging constraints. All run dual 29" wheels.

One of the most impressive things about the Neuron:ONfly is its price. The entry-level CF7 comes in at an astonishing $5,499 USD / €4,849. Complete with a Rockshox Deluxe Select+ shock and Rockshox Pike Base fork, SRAM Code R four piston brakes, and a Shimano Deore 12 speed drivetrain, it is surely one of the best value eMTBs that money can buy. I got a short ride on the the top-end CF LTD model, first impressions of which are below.


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Product Manager, Bastian Langlitz, tells us the Neuron:ON frame sizes each get a specific carbon layup to tune stiffness

Frame Details & Motor

The Neuron:ONfly gets a carbon frame, with the System Controller embedded into the top tube. The frame is packaged to allow for the use of the 250 Wh PowerMore range extender, or a water bottle - you can't have both. With the 400 Wh internal battery, maximum capacity is a respectable 650 Wh.

As is the case on most SL eBikes, the main battery is not designed to be user-removable for charging off the bike. While some may prefer to remove the battery for charging, the unseen advantage to such a design is that it's much easier for the frame engineers to make a much stiffer front triangle when they can work with a completely closed downtube. The risk of dropping a battery while riding is also eliminated.

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Cables are mostly guided internally, except for where they pass the section above the motor. Canyon say you shouldn't have to remove the motor to re-run a cable or hose, despite this.

On the Neuron ON:fly CF LTD I'm testing, the SRAM XX Transmission derailleur is wired into the system, so there is no removable AXS battery to remember to charge. If you empty the tank on a ride, the system should ring-fence some battery life so that the derailleur can still perform around 600 shifts (ours ceased to function, however). If the connection breaks in a crash, you can always disconnect the extension wire and replace it with a regular AXS battery.

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The sensor for the Bosch SX motor is contained to the valve stem, and the wireless Mini Remote on the handlebar is used to switch between modes. Though Bosch does offer a number of display unit options, Canyon has opted to go without, keeping the cockpit clutter-free. Those who want to see all their data can simply connect their Garmin, phone or other device to the Bosch Smart System.

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The dropper is travel-adjustable in 5mm increments
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The polarizing thru-headset cable routing lives on

Canyon continue with the familiar four-bar layout that's seen on the longer travel Spectral:ON and Torque:ON models, but the layout and seat tube girth has been mindfully tweaked to result in a massive increase in seat post insertion depth. The result is that all of the frame sizes can now accommodate a much longer travel dropper seat post as compared to the equivalent Neuron:ON frame, something that stands to be nothing short of transformative in how competently one can ride it downhill. The XS gets a 150mm post, the S a 170mm, the M & L a 200mm, while the XL gets a 230mm.

In line with those longer posts, Canyon has increased the seat post diameter to 34.9mm where an improvement in stiffness stands to benefit the longevity of the post's internals. All Neuron:ONfly models get a proprietary seat post from Canyon that is travel adjustable in 5mm increments, down as much as 25mm from the numbers stated above.

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Frame protection is somewhat considered, with good coverage along the chainstay and seat stay, though the lower link goes without the protection conferred to the other models in the ON range. The gap between the stay and the seat tube is larger on this model though, which Canyon say reduces the risk of damage from stones. The downtube is also devoid of any impact protection, though there is a strip of transparent frame wrap on there that will preserve the paint finish.


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This mount accommodates the range extender or Canyon's bottle cage
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With the range extender connected, the Bosch SX motor discharges both batteries simultaneously

The downtube has a single set of bottle bosses for the mounting of a bottle cage of your choice. However, the bike ships with an adapter that serves to house the range extender, or Canyon's own cage. I wouldn't recommend the latter as it rattles loudly when loaded with a full bottle. A short cable cable connects the additional battery to the system via the charging port on the non-drive side.

When the range extender is not in use, a flimsy unsealed spring-backed flap covers the port, held in place by a small magnet. When the range extender is connected, this flap sticks out. It's rather vulnerable to getting snapped off if caught by the rider's heel if they ever pedal with their foot slightly off axis. To my mind, it's a case of not if, but when.

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Geometry

While the Neuron:ONfly is only 5mm longer in reach than the non-motorized Neuron CF, it is considerably longer overall owing to its much slacker 64.5° head tube angle and longer 450mm chainstay. The wheelbase of a size large is 1271mm with a reach of 485mm. Seat tube length across the size range has been reduced significantly, now at just 445mm on the large - a change that contributes to the frames now being amenable to longer travel dropper posts.

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The Neuron:ONfly CF9 retails at 6,999 €. Credit: Rupert Fowler.


No aspect of the bike's geometry is adjustable, so there is no scope to deviate from that 64.5° head angle, 76.5° effective seat tube angle and 340mm BB height. For those wondering; no, Canyon does not approve use of a 150mm travel fork, and have confirmed this would void the warranty.

That 450mm chainstay length is consistent across the XS-XL size range. So, while the reach increases by 24% from XS to XL, the rear-center length remains the same, something that will give bikes at opposite ends of the range a meaningful difference in front-to-rear balance. Of course, this is the case for most brands that do not take a more proportional approach to geometry design, but I will say that the 450mm chainstay length on the XS with its 410mm reach is quite extreme by most standards. From a resource standpoint, the Canyon engineers did not have the option to tune chainstay length across the sizes.

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Canyon are using 170mm cranks across the board, with a 34T chainring on S-XL, and a 32T chainring on the XS. They say the feedback from test riders was that 170mm cranks felt good, but they also said they will consider choosing 165mm cranks for any future models, and perhaps using that smaller 32T chainring for all sizes.

The cockpit components are all own-brand, with a 45mm stem paired with a 20mm rise aluminum bar for all sizes. Only width is adjusted; 740mm for XS, 760mm for S & M, 780mm for L and 800mm for the XL.




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Suspension

The Neuron:ONfly delivers its rear wheel travel via a familiar Horst-link suspension platform that Canyon use on all of their trail bikes. On the S-XL frames a standard in-line 210mm x 55mm shock damps rear wheel displacement to give an average leverage ratio of 2.54. Meanwhile, a 210mm x 50mm shock on the XS gives that linkage a lower average leverage ratio of 2.36 over its 130mm travel. Either way, progression is smooth throughout the travel, and at no point does it become regressive.

The XS has a different shock altogether as compared to the shock on the S-XL. It is not simply a 55mm stroke shock with a stroke limiter inside it. This one has a distinct damper tune, which is said to better cater to the lighter riders (60-68 kgs) it is likely destined for. Meanwhile, the very same shock damper tune is implemented across the S-XL frames.

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Leverage ratio of Canyon Neuron:ONfly versus Canyon Neuron:ON (Size M)
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Anti-squat of the Canyon Neuron:ONfly versus Canyon Neuron:ON

Anti-squat, the term used to describe how much a bike's linkage is able to resist compression under pedal-induced acceleration, is higher for the Neuron:ONfly than it is for the torquier Neuron:ON. That's true right through the full travel, and across the full range of the cassette. Theoretically, this should mean the Neuron:ONfly will remain higher in its travel under pedal-induced accelerations, keeping the frame's geometry just that little bit steeper and more upright, something that should be beneficial for riding up steep inclines.

Product Manager, Bastian Langlitz, says this was intentional. With the higher cadence encouraged by the Bosch SX motor versus the CX motor, the engineering team wanted to make the suspension on the ONfly model feel more efficient under pedaling.



Models

The Canyon Neuron:ONfly is available in four models, though the CF7 is the only model that will be available in the US. Pricing below does not include the range extender, which costs an additional €469.95 / £439.95 / $505 USD.


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The CF7 retails at 4,849 € / $5,499 USD / £4,649



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The CF8 retails at 5,599 € / £5,349



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The CF9 retails at 6,499 € / £6,699



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The CF LTD retails at 7,999 € / £7,649






First Ride Impressions

At 163 cm tall, I tested the Neuron:ONfly CF LTD in a size small. With its 400 Wh battery and a tubeless setup, it weighs 18.54 kg (41 lbs). With the 250 Wh range extender it weighs 20.1 kg (44 lbs). While that is reasonably light, I can't say I'm blown away by those numbers. I recently rode a more capable 150/160mm travel eMTB with a larger 420 Wh battery, alloy wheels and heavier casing tires, and it weighed 19 kg.

The Canyon is home to carbon wheels in the form of Reynolds Blacklabel Trail Expert 329 rims laced to a Ringle hubset, with a 29" x 2.4" Schwalbe Hans Dampf Soft on the front, and a 29" x 2.4" Schwalbe Nobby Nic SpeedGrip on the rear. Then, there's the SRAM XX Transmission 12-Speed drivetrain and SRAM Code RSC brakes with a 200mm HS2 rotor front and rear. Up front we have a Fox 34 Factory fork with the FIT4 damper, paired with a 210mm x 55mm Fox Float Factory shock.

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Despite having a modest 55 Nm torque and a sub 2kg weight, The Bosch SX motor actually has the capacity to deliver the same 600 W peak power of the meatier 85 Nm CX motor. However, you have to pedal faster to convince it to give you that. While the 2.9 kg CX motor will give you 600 W at a cadence of just 70 rpm, the Bosch SX asks you to spin at 100 rpm before it will dish out the big watts.

Thanks to its greater power, the Bosch SX motor will outcompete similarly lightweight mid-torque motors like the TQ-HPR50, especially on steep technical sections that require a significant injection of assistance. That said, it does come at the cost of an easily audible whine. It also has the added benefit of the Extended Boost feature, wherein the motor continues to deliver power to the rear wheel up to 2 meters after its rider has stopped pedaling. There are four riding modes; Eco, Tour, eMTB and Turbo, all of which are tunable in terms of the level of assistance they provide. Only the eMTB and Turbo modes deliver the Extended Boost. There's also a Walk mode that can be activated by holding the down button on the remote for several seconds.

At a regular cadence of 70 rpm, what you might spin at up a fire road, you get just 400 W, which feels nicely supportive. It feels quite unnatural for me to pedal any faster than that over a sustained period of time, but it was good to have the extra power there in reserve when riding steeper, more technical terrain. When you need to throw in a couple of really quick pedal strokes to clean a steep section, the extra power is there in reserve as your cadence naturally increases in those types of riding situations.

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It wasn't always easy to control, however. On occasion, the extra injection of power would feel quite surprising and send me off balance a little. I also noted that the grip offered by the Schwalbe Nobby Nic with the SpeedGrip compound was lacking. It struggled to maintain traction with the additional torque, even on dry roots and rocks, and I found I was consistently spinning out. The experience was improved by dropping the motor mode down into Tour, but even then the tire wasn't able to maintain a consistent grip with the terrain. To my mind, Canyon would do better to spec the Addix Soft version of the Nobby Nic. With the motor there to help you ride up sections you might not usually consider attempting, a relatively low grip tire in the rear only does the bike a disservice.

As for range, I got 27.26 km and 1,093 meters gained out of the 400 Wh battery on a full charge. I spent 95% of the time in Turbo. For context, I weigh around 60 kg. At empty, power to the derailleur was also lost. As mentioned earlier, the intention is that the Bosch system preserves sufficient battery life for a further 600 shifts of the derailleur. We await comment from Canyon as to why this was not the case on our test bike.

The trails have finally properly dried out for the very first time in 2024, and it's verging on dusty with the appearance of some loose gravel in turns. I initially set up the bike with 30% sag in the rear, and the Fox recommendation of 68.5 PSI in the fork. On each, I turned the compression and rebound dials to the open position. I went with 18 psi in the front tire, and 21 psi in the rear. I also cut the bar down to my preferred 740mm.

I wasn't overly impressed with the bike's descending performance on this first ride, though there is still scope for improving the setup. It handles OK in turns, but it doesn't seem to carry its weight in quite such a spritely manner as some of the slightly longer travel eMTBs I have tested recently. The fit feels good for the most part; a 435mm reach is pretty spot on for me, and the 170mm dropper gets the saddle comfortably out of my way. There was an appreciable benefit to lowering the stem by 10mm, which helped me weight the front wheel more assertively. Thereafter, I was able to ride the bike quite confidently on the less technically demanding trails with little gradient, but some flaws in the suspension setup made life difficult elsewhere.

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Both the fork and the shock will benefit from additional volume spacers to give more support to the end-stroke. As is, full travel is reached too easily, and I ended up running more air in both, winding on some low speed compression damping for the fork to help it stay up in its travel. I felt the rear benefited from running reduced sag of around 27%. With the more standard 30% sag, things became quite harsh over sustained rough sections of trail, as though the shock wasn't able to recover fast enough from successive hits.

On one of the more mellow, flow trails, I played around with the shock's middle compression setting and found that it offered a more supportive feel through berms, giving a very positive platform to push against. Later in the ride, it became clear that the lightest compression setting (position 1) is the only viable option when the trail gets steeper and choppier.




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  • 279 13
 New build house ✅
Everything grey ✅
Live laugh love ✅
Little Frenchie called Luna ✅
Leased Range Rover Evoque ✅
Garden with AstroTurf & hot tub from middle aisle in Aldi ✅
All food cooked in Air fryer ✅
His & hers Canyon Neuron:Onfly ✅
  • 32 0
 *subscribes to Diary of a CEO
  • 18 0
 Turkey teeth ✅
  • 15 2
 Oh damn, this is hilarious.
  • 5 0
 carpe diem!
  • 5 0
 @mashrv1: Only watch ITV2 ✅
  • 38 0
 He has a fade✅
She has lip fillers ✅
  • 17 0
 Featured in r/BicycleCircleJerk at least twice ✅
  • 9 0
 Huel
  • 10 1
 Hysterical, thanks for the chuckle. I bet that new house features flush-mounted LED ceiling lights with icy cold color temps throughout. Exterior lighting too.
  • 4 0
 Dead XD well done
  • 8 8
 Why are air fryers considered some elite product? I got mine for 20 bucks and it is a great food machine. Don't knock air fryers. Wink
  • 24 1
 @tacklingdummy: None of the above are elite products, they are hyper-consumer products for those that want to appear to have it all. Air fryer? = fan oven; Astroturf? = patio; New build house? = house still going through beta testing; Range Rover Evoque? = nissan qashqai; E-bike? = stand up paddle board for those who bought a stand up paddle board last year.
  • 6 9
 @browner: The air fryer cooks food way, way faster in just a fraction of the time, more efficient than a big oven, and just cooks food better because of the fan. It is just a great tool. No, I don't work for an air fryer infomercial company nor am I trying to show off that I have one. Lol. Wink
  • 5 0
 @tacklingdummy: I though ovens had fans?
  • 4 0
 @browner: I have two paddle boards I have never used… i think the only thing I don’t have on this list is an air fryer. I am so basic
  • 5 1
 hey, I checked two marks of those and I am offended Big Grin
  • 5 11
flag trailblazzzzzer (Apr 25, 2024 at 12:19) (Below Threshold)
 Lives in parents basement Everything's disgusting Has slipknot and cannibal corpse posters on wall Mutt that keeps pissing on the floor Has Tacoma with cheap lift and way to many color matching accessories 1 cannabis plant that he cant get to grow All food from fast food chains 1 hard-tail, pit vipers and a bottle of Jergens
  • 10 0
 @sngltrkmnd: Thank you for mentioning the terrible color temps of a lot of modern lighting! That has been a pet peeve of mine for years, and I don't understand how people who live in those cold/brightly lit spaces aren't driven mad...or maybe they are. There is a reason that crackling wood fires, candle lit restaurants, and moodily lit bars are so warm and welcoming.
  • 5 1
 @BuntyHoven1: Many of them do. That circulating air/fan functionality was called a "convection oven" for 50 or more years, and would be an optional function in all but the most basic ovens, along with a "broil" function that would be hotter and heat from above rather than below.

More recently, that circulating air/fan function has been rebranded as an "air fryer" and offered as a more standalone small appliance. In that standalone format, with a metal cooking basket similar to the type used in an oil fryer, I think the rebranding is a fine idea, but the problem is that many more traditional ovens or toaster ovens are now calling their convection function "air fry", in order to capitalize on the popularity, as if it was a new thing.
  • 2 0
 @thekaiser: I see. Thanks for the thorough response.
  • 1 0
 Don't forget something involving a storage container.
  • 2 0
 everything in its right place
  • 1 0
 @thekaiser: “Hi, welcome to my clinically minimalist, Scandinavian-wannabe, stadium flood lit kitchen. Can I offer you a cold beverage while you desperately shield your eyes from the glare coming off my polished stainless fittings?” We went to a friend’s new place the other day, he’s happy with it & all but I think I’ve still got retinal burn from his bathroom lights.
  • 1 0
 @thekaiser: I have a convection oven, makes decent chicken wings. Not as good as the barbecue, but pretty good.

My in-laws gifted me their old air-fryer, I was dead set against it. It does a nice job of heating up cold pizza and makes a hell of a grilled cheese. Still wouldn’t buy one with my own money.
  • 2 0
 10/10 comment - Well played. 'Hard' to believe that so many of the other 'English' speaking users don't quite get it
  • 67 6
 Not buying because of headset cable routing
  • 40 34
 Also it's an ebike.
  • 12 1
 "Oh look, through headset cable routing"

I'm not in the market for an ebike, but if I was, this would be immediately off the list.

Or the cables would be swapped to external with cheapo mounts, or tape or something. Anything is better than through headset cable routing.
  • 5 6
 Thanks for the life update: Nobody.
  • 59 5
 The tester did 95% in turbo when testing the range.
To me, thats not neccesarily the customer for a light emtb.
Most people I know shopping for a light emtb want just a tiny bit of support because they are in good shape, just want some of the edge cut off on the climbs. Or they want to tow a child which is pedaling as well.
We did the test with 1000m of evelation gain using a trek fuel exe with TQ motor and the battery was at 50% when we reached the top..... ridden 90% in low support mode was totaly fine for the riders in our group.
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flag malca FL (Apr 25, 2024 at 4:30) (Below Threshold)
 So the total possible elevation gain is 2000 meteres? Which can easily be done by almost anyone averagely fit on normal bike. Which makes these bikes even more senseless. Not enough power to boost up climbs, not enough juice to to extend riding distance.
  • 25 3
 @malca: What "averagely fit" do you know that look at 2k and be like "yawn easy"?Also,on a 170+ travel bikes,with heavy tires and maybe insurts?
  • 25 4
 @malca: Try it around here mate, with summer temps into the mid 40s Celsius/110f.
We're not all as big, and rough, and tough as you Wink
  • 4 4
 @metalpsycho: who mentioned anything about a 170+ travel bike with heavy tires and inserts?
  • 4 0
 Interesting point. I had a day with a lightweight e-bike and I put it in Turbo for 90% of the time, like the tester, so I could test range of the battery. It was that Ari Nebo Peak. It was built up hearty with grippy Krypototal tires + cushcore pro (hindrance to battery life) and I rode 16 miles (26km) and 1600 ft (490m) elevation, and weigh about 15% more than the tester. It used 50% of the battery. This Ari had the Fauza 60nm motor, 400wh battery. Motor was quite tunable in the app which was appreciated. I wonder how much motor efficiency varies from brand to brand?
  • 2 0
 @carlitouk then just do 1250 verticals
  • 3 0
 @gmiller720: My mistake on that.
It was a though that continued from a different post,and just slapped it on here.
  • 4 0
 @garrettstories: Yeah, this motor efficiency thing is a big vague area, and it would be nice if someone could do some objective testing to clarify it. I have heard people on here saying Bosch motors get more range than Shimano, and wayyy more than TQ, for an equivalent battery capacity, and I've also heard good things about Fauza efficiency, but it is all anecdotal. On the one hand, a lab can't fully capture the rider behavior variables that contribute to real world range, but it would be nice to see some lab tests just for "apples to apples" comparison purposes. From the sounds of it, some of these motors are simply eating up more battery juice for a given output than others, due to their intrinsic design.

I mean something like hook all the motors up to a 400wh battery and run the motors at a constant 200w output to see how long they last. Or you could do multiple rounds with different outputs to see if there are non linear effects that make one motor more efficient at lower output, and another more efficient at higher output.

Then you could do some real world tests under various riders to see how the lab results need to be adjusted to get an idea of a conversion factor from the lab results to a real world expected range. If a Bosch or Fauza got 20% more output from a given battery size, that would definitely influence my purchasing decision.
  • 1 0
 Agreed - I have a full power eMTB and I don't run it in turbo much at all. Turbo is too much for most technical climbs (IMO) so I only use it to blast up fire road on occasion.
  • 1 0
 @carlitouk: 40 Celsius 2000m up a mountain? Is it really that warm in Spain?
  • 1 0
 @BornOnTwo: Errr, that is average hot...peak will be 43-45. A fresh day would be 36-38. Zero shade, zero breeze. Bloody oven out there mate. Coast is fresher, but interior is stinky hot.
  • 52 4
 Ok, but when are we going to start getting lighter weight e-bikes with 180 - 200mm of travel?! Winch & plummet baby!
  • 1 0
 Have been asking this for a while now. We have,as far as i know,only the Specialized Kenevo SL and the Simplon RAPCON PMAX TQ.And they cost a lot. Haven't seen otheres fit that category,but it needs more options,especially cheaper.
  • 3 3
 The closest I have seen is the new Cube hybrid 155, pretty sure you could up the front Fox 38 to 170 and it'd still be circa 20kg plus it's full power with 750wh battery
  • 3 1
 @sewer-rat: I have the Cube 155 at 17kg and it is the perfect bike at the moment
  • 9 0
 I want ANY ebike with 200mm. I have a trail bike for trails, where I don't mind pedaling. But I want a big ol' DH ebike so I don't have to shuttle. Lack of shuttle access is the ONLY reason I don't own a DH bike, and that could be easily solved with a bosch motor
  • 7 0
 Absolutely love my Kenevo SL. Have it setup 180mm front and rear. Only downside is limited insertion depth for the seatpost. I knew it would be a niche bike but I'm surprised that no one else seems to have an option in this space.
  • 3 0
 @AddictiveAdventure: Without the downsides of the current limitations in tech and keeping weight down. I'm perfectly find riding a 45lb downhill ebike, less so on a 140mm trail ebike.

It seems so obivous, once you ride a Kenevo Turbo with a dual crown the future becomes clear.
  • 1 0
 @AddictiveAdventure: If you're willing to stomach the yamaha motor, the alloy AllMtn and Nduro frames are compatible with dual crown forks
  • 2 1
 @unusual-bread: The new Mondraker Dune looks like its coming into the space where the Kenevo SL sits, with more power and a bigger battery. Of course the KSL still has more travel, but the Dune is looking pretty good. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Specialized releases an updated Kenevo SL with their new motor with similar travel and it will still be the king of long travel "lightweight" ebikes. I had a Kenevo SL and wished it had just a bit more power, and now with their new SL motor, the next gen Kenevo SL might be the sweet spot everyone has been waiting for.
  • 3 0
 @AddictiveAdventure: Pole... oh... Frown
  • 2 0
 @bigtim: crestline
  • 3 0
 Mondraker Dune
  • 1 0
 Ibis Oso, and Ari Timp Peak bikes can take dual crowns
  • 2 1
 @AddictiveAdventure: I’m genuinely toying with sticking a Paradox onto a slightly older Fr or DH bike for exactly this reason. Easy ups, and self shuttle. I feel like it would be a decent application - over all it would be cheaper than a full Bosch option, likely more serviceable, you can pick whatever base bike you’d like to add it to and that Paradox will fling you up a hillside with a relatively low (weight and motor location) penalty. Battery weight isn’t terrible and it’ll drop into a hip or back pack. Might be an option to consider for now?

We have a former Intense racer here in south Tx that reps for Structure Cycleworks (the linkage FS bike brand). He’s a very handy rider, with lots of bike experience.
He also has a paradox motor on it (a necessity, due to injury) and talking to him (and his positivity about it) is what first put me onto the idea.

paradoxkinetics.com/en-us
  • 38 2
 @pinkbike I know you have the ability for users to filter out ebike news.
I like ebikes and mountain bikes, but can you add an option to filter out headset routing?
  • 6 1
 That's a good one. Thank you. I would love that option.
  • 62 2
 I'd rather that people are commenting to complain about it. Otherwise, the companies doing it might think that it's acceptable.
  • 2 1
 I stopped reading the moment I saw it
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer: you'd think so, yet easily 18months or so later this "feature" persists.

Riders and media outlets have been clear on it and it's very marginal benefits at the cost of significant drawbacks and certain brands stubbornly keep releasing bikes with this set up.

I'd only ride a bike with this set up of I was paid to and didn't have to service it.

Absolutely no way I'm paying to own and service a bike with this stupidness on it.
  • 2 1
 @The-Reverend: Because of all the rumors we hear about brand new product sitting in warehouses, I wonder if it might take longer for customers to see companies’ responses to headset routing ‘features’—they gotta run through the frames produced with headset routing before its gone.

I’m just one person, but the moment I see headset routing on a new bike I’m interested in I’m crossing it off my list.
  • 2 1
 @padrefan1982:

Stands to reason, and a good observation.
I'd certainly not wish to be a running bike brand overwhelmed with stock that won't sell that has a feature people violently oppose.

The only option is to cut the price but that brings so many other issues such as reduced profit and brand health declines over time.

In time to come it'll be interesting to read how many brands regret jumping on this train.
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 How do you filter out ebikes?
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 @The-Reverend: I will say, I see far fewer bikes with it.
  • 2 0
 @The-Reverend: If only riders and media on pinkbike were the majority. I have my doubts.
  • 26 1
 This bikes makes me sad. There was a big opportunity to make something good, but it seems like Canyon just rushed the design to get their first light ebike on the market.

- 450mm CS even for the XS? Put a 27" ffs if you can't shorten the CS in other ways...
- 170mm cranks even for XS? my gf is 154cm, and extremely happy going from 170 to 150 (not on an ebike). Ebikes, especially this one giving max power at 100rpm, REALLY benefit from short cranks so you can spin anywhere and the motor assists you most.
- same shock damper tune for all? yeah certainly that will suit everybody
- cable tourism
- charging port cover sticking out
- derailleur shutting down with the battery...

I am not just "not interested in bying" this bike, I am genuinely upset because it is exactly the opposite of what we (bikers and the world) need : well made products that last. Especially in the case of an ebike, what will happen when the 2 year warranty expires and the battery/motor has a problem?

This product is destined to be stored, unused, in a garage.
It's the opposite of a "workhorse" product, which is made to be used and easily maintained.
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 Each size gets its own specific carbon layup too, so it's not a far reach for them to put a shorter CS on the small and extra small options.
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 Shame on you for not putting cable tourism at the top.
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 $8,500 bikes becoming so fancy that you can now run out of battery, which means you can't petal well OR shift, so you can push your bike miles back to the parking lot, reminding yourself about how you need to order a replacement headset because yours is rusty. The future is now people.
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 2 year warranty is crazy for a brand thats known to have cracking issues and delayed/slow customer service. No thanks
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 I'm not sure if the 2 year warranty in the article is a typo or if there are some strange areal differences. I went to check the (Finnish/ localized) Canyon website and they state the same six year warranty on the product pages for these as for all their other bikes.
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 It's actually a 6 year warranty. The article has been updated.
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 What cracking issues? Are you confusing them with Commencal?
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 @dsut4392: I know 3 people who’ve cracked various frames from them. Then took ages to resolve being direct to consumer sales.
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 I think at this point, as there are more and more lightweight e-mtbs - the headset routed cabling is a deal breaker for me - I just DON'T want that feature EVER on ANY bike ............why do the brands compel themselves to push such an annoying feature? STOP IT ALREADY!
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 I don’t get it. They get bashed brutally and no one wants it. Why do they keep doing it?
  • 11 1
 a 19/20kg bike should have a lyrik or 36 at minimum.
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 I get the SL bikes, they are way lighter, what I don't fully get is why the shorter travel ones? Still 41lbs, this thing aint poppy, why not have a bit more suspension when you have a motor to move you along? Serious question intended for anyone who has tried all several. to me 160-170mm makes good e bike sense.
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 This is actually the most interesting ebike for me so far. (Though not the price.) I don't ride downhilly bike parks, but natural trails around where I live, as probably most of Finns, thanks to our awesome freedom to roam. I don't need a lot of suspension, don't do jumps etc. However as there's no building/ maintenance there's also no grading and unless you're super lucky location wise, you can't really choose to ride certain type of trails: In my area there are hardly any mellow trails, the terrain is rocky and rooty with constant punchy ups and downs. Not only was it super frustrating as a beginner, not really having the skill nor the strength to enjoy the trails, but even after building some of both I would've loved to be able to do some actually easy rides sometimes too. I don't need a burlier bike for anything, but some extra help would be appreciated. I actually haven't ridden MTB for a while now due to health reasons (which hasn't helped with fitness in general) and the idea of trying to build back again in the same environment without a motor really doesn't excite me much.
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 I think that the extra travel usually = extra weight. Larger and longer forks, shocks, beefier tires, brake rotors, and even the frame needs to be beefed up to better handle the testing standard it is subjected to at longer travel numbers. I think a lightweight 160-170 bike sounds really cool, but I don't want to be running EXO tires and Guide brakes without a reservoir on my shock or a Fox 34.
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 manufacturers, please, if you want to do cable tourism, do it at least harmful way: organise brake line NOT thought headset and preferably dropper post line as well.
e-bike controller could be thought headset as it should be easy to disconnect, and gear shirting is more and more wireless.
  • 7 2
 unfortnately after a surprise open heart surgery, i'll probably be on an e-bike for at least the next several years ... and the hatred towards them is really making me feel very self conscious ... but do I ride a normal bike and risk dying or continue to feel the hate by the riding community. I cannot decide.
  • 8 2
 In 3 years of riding an Emtb I've only had one bad interaction on the trail where a guy didn't want to let me pass. He eventually pulled over only when I rode right on his whee for a few minutes l. Best part is I got to pass him again later. Big difference between internet trolls and face to face meetings. Just be respectful and 99% no issues.
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 come back here after your recovery and let us know if you switched back to normal bike
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 @valrock: I have 2 normal bikes as well and I would ride them even more if Keystone/Vail resorts went back to there pre-covid operating hours. Ride the emtb very little in June/July/August.
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 I say forget the internet haters and do what brings you the most joy. I rented an e-bike on a week-long trip, and it was a blast. Other than some good natured razzing from my buddies who were on normal bikes, which was really just part of our usual trash talking relationship, there was no hate, and I got in way more riding, seeing more of the area, than I would have normally, as I could do big rides or double headers day after day without being physically wrecked.
  • 4 0
 Cable tourism aside, I have to admit that the lighter e-bikes of late are starting to look somewhat acceptable to my eyes. Maybe I'm just getting used to enormous down tubes, who knows...
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 Only an idiot would buy a mail order e bike with a two year warranty.
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 @jessiemaymorgan Can you tell us what the 150/160mm travel eMTB with a larger 420 Wh battery, alloy wheels and heavier casing tires that weighed 19 kg is?
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 I'm afraid I cannot for now, sorry! You don't have to wait too long.
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 @jessiemaymorgan: that's a nicely done cliff hanger there.

I was surprised to read you were blowing through travel and hitting bottom at your weight. I always think of that as a heavy rider problem (at near 100kg, it very much limits what brands I can consider, since some linkages can't be made to feel good no matter how many spacers I put in a shock). Is thay unusual for you, and do you think it's a problem with shock tune, leverage curve, or both?
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 Well the Santa Cruz Heckler SL has a 430watt battery. Maybe that's the lite e-bike Jessie referenced?
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 @SunsPSD: I think she would have named that bike instead of just describing it.

My guess is it's the new Orbea Rise that launches a week from today.
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 @g-42: Hello! It's not too unusual. I certainly wouldn't want to blame the leverage curve in this case, it seems reasonably progressive. It's more a case of insufficient volume spacers. I don't know how many Canyon have spec'd on the small, but it's not unusual for me to need more than the stock number provided. If I were to ride the bike more, i'd add a volume spacer in each end. As for the damping, I see that as a separate issue. It is quite common for me, as a light rider, to find that a shock isn't able to rebound fast enough at the pressure I run to achieve a regular 30% sag.
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 @jessiemaymorgan: Yep, super common problem with kids bikes too. Set up the air pressure low enough to use the travel and then it's too low to rebound quickly enough due to combination of seal friction and unsprung mass.
  • 2 0
 For what is potentially the cheapest part of an ebike, that port cover flap is an incredibly poor design. That is definitely going to get snapped off early on in the bike’s life. Then what, calafudge a cover when not using a range extender?
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 Poor spec. No e-bike or bike with a 130mm + fork should have a Fit4 damper. It's an e-bike, even if 41 lbs is light for an e-bike, its a heavy bike. a 41 lbs enduro bike shouldn't have tires spec'd in a 'fast' compound, or casing.
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 Nah, I rather keep my Orbea Rise H15.
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 Anyone old enough to remember WIRED cycling computers, who mounted them anywhere near the rear wheel will realize that the power cable leading to that AXS shifter has a trail-half-life measured in hours.......that'll be a fun one to fish thru the frame to replace repeatedly, as you know, murphy's law is very attracted to such temptations.
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 It seems you must not have heard of either zip ties or duct tape? I still ride my 1991 Raleigh Technium, relegated for the last 20 years to being my commuter but before that it has seen many a stick-littered trail. Until I did a drop-bar gravel conversion on it a year ago, it still had the Cateye wired sensors on it that I installed in the early 90's, including the cadence sensor on the NDS chainstay. I took the front wheel speed sensor off the fork at the same time. Those flimsy little wires have outlived three full drivetrains plus an extra derailluer, 3 front and 4 rear wheels, and three forks.

As for the wire you're talking about here, it's sitting in between the chainstay and the Transmission derailleur, neither of which are budging, so you would be incredibly unlucky to get anything wedged in there.
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 @dsut4392: I've ripped off two derailleur clutch levers in one season......bits that hang down get torn away sometimes
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 My Gen 1 Levo had "Extended Boost" (overrun) and that shite was a problem that they dealt with in the next Gen not a feature.
At best it's annoying at worst its super sketchy. I was onece almost launched off a cliff during a very technical climb with high exposure because the bike kept the power on through a tricky switchback.
  • 1 0
 It's already for sale on canyon's website and weighs 44.7 lbs for the entry level model. The thing about these "trail style ebike" approaches is that they are designed to be more playful and on the lightweight side... This seems like a bike release that's late to the party. This genre of bike would sell out if it were sub 40. But 44+ ?
  • 2 0
 I don't understand why over-forking the bike with 150mm fork would void the warranty and not what it was designed for. 10mm extra on the fork would really change that much?
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 I’m going to go out ion a limb and say 435 reach w 450 chainstay isn’t anyone’s ideal ratio with that heavy battery in the front center.
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 Orbea has had the M Rise out for years that is as light or lighter and has a an EP801RS that can be unlocked via software to make full power. Not sure what the big deal about this bike is.
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 Attractive figure when seen in profile
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 No removable battery is a no from me. So for me it seems the only options are Fazua or TQ systems.
  • 2 1
 headset cable routing: they think we are f*cking stupid/they designed it for people who won't ride it and just leave it as an ornament in their 2nd or 3rd vacation property.
  • 1 0
 Anyone with industry experience or insight know what the deal is with a 2 year warranty?

Is it to drive the price down, or a lack of confidence in the quality?
  • 2 0
 I believe the frame is a 6 year warranty(the norm for Canyons) but it's only 2 years on the Bosch bits. That's standard for most component manufacturers. I know that's the case for Shimano motors as well.
  • 3 0
 Nobby nic and fox 34 on a 41lb e-bike? No thanks
  • 2 0
 Great prices!! Nice to see reasonable pricing these days, no gouging unlike some others...
  • 1 0
 Can we all take a moment and tip our hat to the geometry pioneers of POLE, GEOMOTRON, CANYON, etc. Entire industry has been shown the way.
  • 3 1
 Cheapest version costs some 5k and only a two year warranty...?
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 And a warranty not worth the pixels its written with…
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 Says 6 year warranty when I look at their site.

(Not that I disagree with rich-2000...)
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 Headset routing and e-bike! Why did I read thru that?
  • 4 2
 So close but no to the internal headset.. dam
  • 3 3
 Maybe one day we will have electronic leg muscle stimulation trousers.so you don't need an ebike thay just make your legs move without having to bother thinking about it.
  • 1 0
 Unsealed battery port and 90 degree battery port door? Buy a bike that’s almost granted to break. Ouch.
  • 2 0
 Turns out the spare battery isn't great for hydration.
  • 1 0
 I'm assuming the 41lb weight is for the CF LTD build. Have they released the weight for the CF7?
  • 1 0
 it looks like Canyon Australia don't have any E-bikes listed for sale and has been like that for some time now?
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 Got a wireless derailleur, but put a wire on it. Doh!
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 That's a head-scratcher for me as well... I mean, if you're willing to deal with keeping the motor battery charged, I can't imagine keeping an AXS battery charged as well is going to be much of a stretch.
  • 2 1
 I'm not a fan of this solution, but I see the motivation behind it. Transmission's perfect timing for shifting is a step forward and so far this is not possible for mechanical drivetrains. A combination of Shimano's auto-shift and the transmission will probably be the next step. Who needs it? - Nobody. But maybe it'll lead to something in the future that we all can enjoy.
  • 1 0
 Bloody brilliant. Cost is a huge driver, they will sell a ton of them.
  • 1 1
 You get a good deal, but lots of corners are cut. Cable routing and 170mm cranks are a pass. Also, where is Pinion MGU???
  • 1 0
 Odd they'd spec 170mm cranks on a XS emtb.
  • 2 1
 140mm travel on an ebike completely misses the mark. FAIL
  • 3 2
 E-Bikes killed the MTB-Sport.
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 At least it didn’t snap?
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 closest copy to a Levo SL I've seen so far
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 Just not as polished.
  • 2 3
 So it's a worse whyte e-lyte with a higher price tag? Come onnnn
  • 1 1
 sending hate from YEG
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